The thing about Beerus is that the writers intentionally keep his power level under wraps. We've never seen him go all out or even come close to that. It's natural DB logic to assume that Goku got 3 forms since fighting him so he must be stronger but he doesn't really follow that logic.
There's a term readers of Lookism use for charaters like that called narrative strong or something like that. Basically a characters is always very strong despite not being shown all the time because the story demands it.
@@Meetwad yeah he did go all out, but all of the gods of destruction tagged teamed against him and he was still holding his ground. He has a little bit of Ui to be used. Still Whis did say that goku is far behind beerus. Frieza one shorted a full powered goku in his tui form because he ate a sensu bean if I remover correctly.
Frieza already controlled Hakai before, and that was right before the tournament of power. He is far more stronger now i don't think Hakai gonna worry him too much. If anything he already planned for it
@@RickDeRogatisthat hakai was of God of destruction from other universe which was poor hakai and easy to handle like frieza and beerus did it with just a flick to free goku from it so we can't say that after achieving black he could defeat beerus Or not bcoz beerus have not displayed ita full power
There are two forms of hakai. 1: Users erases people using hakai. They don't use it as an energy but just apply it directly to someone's soul to erase them. 2: People uses destructive energy to use hakai. This just enhances the user's destructive powers but it can be used in tricky ways. Like when punching someone you can imbue your fist with it and the part you touched will be turned to dust. It can also be used as a form to get power boost and better control.
@@darkprolord29383 yeah totally agree 👍 bt if Black frieza tries to do that I don't think Beerus will play it easy....he will def do the same he did with zamasu
People keep saying this but we haven’t seen him take any Ls. It’s lot like comic books where they strengthen and nerf characters based on the plot. We have no idea how strong him or even Weis are.
@@CouchKing13 I kinda like it. It humbles Goku , vegeta, Gohan , broly, frieza quite a bit . Seeing how powerful they are but at the same time there is a higher presence that is always watching
I hate beerus and whis. Cocky bastards riding around destroying random shit that just so happen to be stronger than goku’s 75th new transformation. Toriyama is writing himself into a corner and forcing himself to come up with even greater forms and power for no fucking reason.
@@Kymopika Yeah, he was..but what if he still hasn't used his 100% with a transformation. I mean Toppo was able to tap into his god of destruction mode so what if Beerus could do the same?
@@trisxart2393 beerus said to vegeta his mind is always on destruction and he has purple aura he doesnt need god mode just like how whis doesnt need ui transformation or ui mode
Remember everyone frieze achieve this level of power without any master to teach ,god ki or potential unlocked by Kai just pure talent and normal training
@@trollking6315To be fair, him and the rest of his family are mutants of their race, he was literally born with his namek saga strength, and combine that with the time chamber he found and you get his current power.
Gohan has always had crazy potential. I get where you're coming from, but you're also acting like Frieza's explanation is any better. Frieza went from being weaker than ssj1 Goku, to being stronger than SSG goku and vegeta, within 4 months. Now the storyline conveniently had him going into the timechamber for 10 years to explain how he one shotted goku and vegeta's strongest forms. Would you feel any different if the writer just magically wrote that Gohan went into the time chamber for 10 years as well? I think you would've called it a cop-out. It seems the writers are now suggesting Gohan has Broly-level potential, but isn't as volatile and hasn't allowed it to overpower him, the way it does Broly. The story-line definitely supports the idea that Gohan has a lower floor than Frieza, seeing how Frieza has never been as weak as RoF Gohan. But it could also support Gohan having a higher ceiling, seeing how by the age of 9, Gohan had surpassed any form Frieza had, until Golden Frieza.
Still not even close to beerus. And then we have whis and the grand priest. It may be possible grand priest is 5x10x or more powerful then beerus. It is his ego talking. Every time frieza gets stronger then goku or vegeta they become even stronger so next fight he is getting his ass whopped.
@@azem02No. Black frieza just left Goku and Vegeta. He dosent want to fight with them anymore since they are weak. Who said their next form can beat friezas ass?
@@rageskilI even beeruz can do iit. Does not mean he is even close to him. And beeruz can one shot black frieza with no effort. We don't even know the power he has
@@azem02bruh you absolutely delusional asf if you honestly believe beerus is one shotting black frieza 💀 like wtf 💀💀💀 Frieza one shotted gas in only his base (final form) meaning he didn’t even need his black form to one shot Goku and Vegita at there full power Something beerus hasn’t done Frieza vs beerus is a high-extreme diff fight and that’s just me being honest
Narratively, Beerus is the long term, unstated ceiling. He's there to be a persistent goal that can keep moving backwards. So for Freiza to eclipse Beerus, the need for that narrative ceiling would also need to change. And so far, that hasn't happened.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836to kefla bruh really she’s one of the weakest characters goku was towing around with her he didn’t even need to go super saiyan until they fused lmao
Im still just in shock at the way Frieza killed Gas. He didn't overpower him in the very end, technically speaking Gas was still the strongest in the universe, but only for like a fucking millisecond. The wish that Gas was cursed with was that he would constantly be the strongest in the universe, any time a stronger person appeared he would instantly match and surpass their power, but the tradoff was his lifespan. Frieza didn't kill him with that punch through his gut, he killed him by transforming into his Black form and Gas' curse reduced his lifespan so hard that he dissintegrated, because thats just how high and above in power Black Frieza was.
He was not cursed to always be the strongest, the Dragon could only give him the power to be the strongest in the universe by reducing Gasses lifespan, Gas kept pushing himself too much that more and more of his lifespan was being taken away to increase his power. Frieza was in the time chamber at the time of the wish meaning the wish to make Gas the strongest in the universe didn’t make him stronger than Frieza, as he was outside of the universe at the time in a separate reality. Frieza one shot Gas because he was stronger, Gas didn’t have enough life span left to even remotely push himself pass Frieza even if he wanted too.
frieza said it in manga he was in his own time chamber outside universe, in other dimension, gas wasn't stronger than frieza because frieza wasn't here. read manga again
My man reached SSb level in 4 months and surpassed Ui by a mountain in 10 years. He is amazingly talented, if he actually trained back in dbz then Everyone would have been doomed.
Beerus made it clear that goku has a long way to go before he even reaches his lvl. Remember Beerus has been a g.o.d for millions of years and goku has been training for 30-45 years
Gas' wish makes him stronger than anyone at any given time but takes away from his life span in exchange. The exchange this time was too much to survive. It changes his form as well....jus an unfortunate side effect in this situation
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while reading the db super manga in that chapter named ‘the strongest in the universe appears’, never in my mind i think of frieza. its was so cool when he arrived, cant wait to see the granola arc in anime adaptation.
No one has and one will ever reach their full potential in this show. Potential is the biggest load of crap when it comes to DB. Even the other characters get stronger. Potential only matters when it's a fan favorite and we need an excuse to why/how someone got stronger
Considering gogeta/vegito continually scale up as both goku and vegita get stronger, whatever the current fusion would produce would also be far stronger than before too. Would be nice to see berrus sweat a little. Just to have his laugh about it.
If gohan will master his beast form then maybe he will be the one fighting black frieza when they will meet, and maybe we will have next arc where gohan is the main character again
@@hhxte3185 yea but then the best villain in db will be gone I feel vegeta will want to kill him but will probably get stopped and/or back out on doing it
Thus this far yes but since there is 4 or 6 new universes brought back from being erased there will be new threats far worse than frieza after all they was erased for a reason. It would be cool to yamoshi or how ever you say the first original saiyan who apparently invented ui and the angels stole this technique from the saiyans
Let me clear things up, Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest transformation we seen yet, BUT LISTEN. Beast Gohan was released on August 19th 2022, and the Granola arc was finished on, guess what? August 23rd 2022., the same chapter where Black Frieza was introduced. To say Black Frieza was a shock and surprise was their exact plan
@@Meetwad"Toriyama doesn't contradict himself" Also Toriyama: "Says SSG Goku is a 7 and Beerus is 10" then proceeds to make Beerus dogwalk SSB Vegeta in the manga
@@FlxmeT He only really said that for the movie BoG and that was before DBS was even a actual manga. Although Toriyama did forget SSJ3 and people like Launch so he’s not the most reliable.
Beasthan can’t do shit to black frieza we all know the black frieza arc is after the super superhero events so why don’t they just make gohan help them fight right then and there cause gohan can’t do shit to him
At the end of the Granola arc. It said either Frieza was the strongest mortal, or someone else became it. And guess whos a mortal who just got a new form? Gohan.
Im guessing Black Frieza is "God Killer" form, something he created to help him overthrow the gods, this form might be a threat for even Beerus, or at least I hope it is.
Yeah I agree why would he train a little just to defeat goku and vegeta he wants to defeat every strong opponent to exist he would surpass beerus also so no one in the universe will have dare to challenge him.
He knows that beerus is strong so why don't just surpass him and become the new God of destruction and there will be no strong opponent to challenge him.
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i think beast gohan is stronger simply because beast gohan vs cell max was stated to be the strongest battle so far (i cant remember where) and the movie takes place after black frieza
But black Frieza didn't really fight anymore in a battle. You can say beast Gohan and cell max surpass any battle goku and vegeta's had but black frieza has yet to really battle anymore. Also, the movie does take place after the granola arc but we never seen black Frieza fight seriously and he still considered stronger than goku and vegeta even in super hero
@@simpgod2170gohan has a lot of potential isn’t beast gohan stronger then ultra ego and ultra instinct I’m pretty sure he is but gohan gets a new form every time he sees someone die so if goku, piccolo or vegeta die than he well most likely unlock a new form and kill frieza for good
@@simpgod2170 But it is true it takes place after Black Frieza, simply going off the logic Toriyama wanted to make a movie that is obscenely ahead of Super for some reason. Still wish they had a more unique way of Gohan obtaining the form. Copy-paste SS2 scene choreography was a bit lazy.
They will never reach Beerus level. And if they do, it’ll be at the end of Super. Beerus will always be beyond the Z fighters and their villains, no matter how strong they get. He’s not a fixed point for them to reach and surpass, he is constantly getting stronger, and will always be just out of their reach. Which is good because it’s what pushes Goku and Vegeta to become stronger. Frieza wouldn’t stand a chance. Not now, not ever.
If I was frieza, after one shotting goku and vegetas strongest forms I'm going back to the hyperbolic time chamber just to stunt on them when they see me again
According to Toriyama, beast gohan slaps Goku and Vegeta, especially since piccolo is supposed to be relative in power to them now, and he got bodied by cell Max. Then, beast Gohan blocked an attack from cell Max with his AURA alone, and mopped the floor with him. We can only assume his power at this point.
@@pootis9180 but last time when picolo seen goku in his full power it was in moro arc and the super hero movie took place 5 years after garanolah arc which means about 5 years and 7 months after moro arc so just imagine how strong can goku and vegeta be rn also when they know that frieza have this crazy power and in dbssh goku and vegeta didn't even feel a thing that was going on earth
@@EL_MASTER_offical Okay how were they supposed to sense something on earth when they were busy being occupied training with Broly? And they wouldn't have time to be sensing fir power levels from earth, bcoz certainly they probably not expecting shit to go down there at that moment
Bills is a weird character when it comes to power, as he just gets more power as the manga continues, first Vegito was a close second to Beerus, Gogeta didn't even surprise him, as he was just waiting to see if he would've to go and take Broly down, Moro fused with a god damn planet didn't even make him flinch, he was ready to throw hands, he is legit the sentry of dragon ball, he will be as powerful as the plot needs him to be
I would like to think Black Frieza is stronger than all the G.o.D’s besides Beerus. (I mean, he is. There’s no argument.) I would like to see Gohan Beast and Black Frieza fight but Black Frieza comes out on top. Or maybe before that, we can finally see Beerus use his full power and Black Frieza could beat him and become the God of Destruction. And then just imagine Vegeta getting a mastered version of Ultra Ego and hakaing Frieza from existence.
@@calebokoro. nah vegeta will get his time his character development is showing that. Besides goku hasn't gotten a solid win in i don't know how long. In recent mangas vegeta beat goku Eve if it was off guard it still technically counts.
Frieza would lose against the g.o.d in his current state with no doubt in my mind. You severely underestimate the scaling. The t.o.p was a good example of power scaling gone wrong. 11 won because of skill and plot mostly. The other universes had stronger and more powerful characters yet they still failed. Its not always about power level and raw strength as shown in the survivors arc. He became stronger and more powerful but in the end it meant nothing because in the end he didn't have the skill to control the power. The g.o.ds are hundreds of thousands of years old and have more experience. Frieza would need to be extremely strong and have some type of strategy to even face one of them. Its not going to happen not in this black form. I feel like a diamond form is coming to mirror ssb
@B Man But at the same time frezia was able to one-shot one of the most powerful beings and he probably didn't need to go into black just to beat them. Since t.o.p and the Brody movie freziza has witnessed power levels beyond him so he made sure to train so no one can beat him he train for 10 years in r.o.f he was able to catch up to goku and Vegeta in a couple of months so the kind of power his is hiding is massive so it technically impossible for goku and vegeta to catch up even if they went into the h.c themselves they still wouldn't be able to close the gap
Here's somethin else. In the resurrection "F" arc, it's shown that although Frieza's new golden form is super powerful, His form drains energy extremely quickly, allowing Vegeta to swoop in and defeat Frieza in his Blue form. This may be the same for Freiza-Black! If they can somehow survive his onslaught, they can win by exhausting Frieza out of his Black form.
We need to keep in mind. Vegeta had only just unlocked ultra ego, he hasn’t even had a chance to develop it more like goku has. Vegeta should be stronger than goku soon and he should be the one to finish off frieza for good. With destruction, erasing him from ever being revived
Goku wasn’t even in mastered form when frieza dropped them he was in the sign form and Vegeta definitely not bouta be stronger than goku Akira doesn’t even like vegeta
@@oshaiheath7894 Yeah, he only kept him cause the fans like him. And to be fair, we probably woulda lost all the roots of Saiyan heritage if Vegeta wasn't in the story. Not like Goku cared about his past until he discovered Bardock's scouter.
10 years of training is a LOT for frieza. With just a few months he rivaled ssj blue. Theres no way hes not beerus level if his prgression didnt plateau. I can't wait for the manga to come back
@@gargamella69I’d say Frieza is now stronger than most of the 12 gods of destruction. At least stronger than half of them. Gods like Beerus, Quitela, Arak, Liquiir, Giin and Rumsshi are still stronger than Black Frieza based on what we’ve seen from both the anime and manga.
Beast Gohan over every other mortal until proven otherwise. I'll believe Toriyama's statement of Gohan being the strongest as of superhero over any theory or speculation of Black Frieza bring stronger
nah toriyama said that beast gohan is the strongest form yet but he didn't said that gohan is the strongest he means that beast gohan can be perfected and if gohan perfect it he can be the strongest and as much as we know frieza can go from ssj level to ssj blue level in only 6 months of training and this time he did 10 years of training and if we see gohan as before when he first fight cell the power level between other z warriors and gohan wqas crazy but it didn't take them long to surpass ssj2 teen gohan
@@EL_MASTER_offical Akira Toriyama states that Gohan is the strongest Saiyan as of the Super Hero Movie, which does canonically take place after the Granolah Saga.
He isn’t… beast gohan is wayyy into the future of when Mui was last introduced. Piccolo even stated he has the potential to become the strongest being on earth
@@vegeta6555 bro when was this stated😭and even if it was, how many times has that been stated and then they got a new asspull form or power up? Be real
I want beast finish him same gohan says at tournament of power i will end you and then the end for frieza And that makes sense Gohan first person to beat up frieza in namak And heis the one that finish him off
If I were a DragonBall, and if I were to make a wish; I'd wish for a storytelling, leading to the significance of Black Frieza equalizing to Gogeta Blue. Both are canon. Thank You, Akira Toriyama P.S. Makes sense, he witnessed the fight against Broly.
When Whis said that the strongest warrior in the universe emerged, he didn't mean Granolah or Gas even Toriyama tries to make the audience think it was Gas. My guess is that it's either Black Frieza or, soon to be shown, Beast Gohan.
I'm definitely happy that Frieza is back on the top in terms of strongest villains I don't need him to necessarily be the strongest character but for him to be an important villain will always make me happy since he is one of my two favorite characters (I really hope that there's an arc where he tries to take beerus's place and nearly succeeds just for someone else to come in and help stop him. I would really like it if Vegeta even with help manage to actually get the win on this one probably because he's my other favorite character.) cell might also be a favorite character of mine but I haven't seen that saga yet so I'm not going to count it
Gohan's beast transformation takes place AFTER Freiza's black form being unveiled in the manga. I can guarantee you Gohan will be portrayed as superior when it comes down to it.
The thing about Beerus is that the writers intentionally keep his power level under wraps. We've never seen him go all out or even come close to that. It's natural DB logic to assume that Goku got 3 forms since fighting him so he must be stronger but he doesn't really follow that logic.
There's a term readers of Lookism use for charaters like that called narrative strong or something like that. Basically a characters is always very strong despite not being shown all the time because the story demands it.
He went out against the gods and you can't deny it because he was bleeding and all that at the end.
Or maybe because he’s a god that trained for a millennia?
Didn't he go all out against the Gods of Destruction?
@@Meetwad yeah he did go all out, but all of the gods of destruction tagged teamed against him and he was still holding his ground. He has a little bit of Ui to be used. Still Whis did say that goku is far behind beerus. Frieza one shorted a full powered goku in his tui form because he ate a sensu bean if I remover correctly.
Beerus is literally, LITERALLY, the author's pet.
@@Smh7ohthen who is the current author?
@@rafihossen6477the author only died days ago
@@remasteredgliched7682 so will this manga continue any longer then?
@@rafihossen6477 his son was supposed to eventually take over
@@Smh7oh Akira Toriyama wasn't the author of the Super manga. He's the creator of the franchise and the author of dragon ball and DBZ.
Hold your fire! this man isn't black - Trunks
Kill him! He's black! - Trunks probably
xdd
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Ikr? That means he’s not a formidable threat then.
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Goku's hair will turn brown or something and Frieza will fold like a fucking crouton.
Lmao, I think we still have few colors to go like brown, purple, pink, or maybe there's MUI 2 with added electricity effects like ssj2
@@FrenzVorstellendawg MUI 2 sounds so goofy, it’s literally impossible, it’s TUI or PUI
UI Goku and Ego Vegeta to for Ultra Ego Instinct Gogeta
@@FrenzVorstellen Goku didn't use MUI against frieza yet.
@@SupremeB_07 PUI = Pathetic Ultra Instinct.
Frieza: Now l will not have to call you lord, you hairless cat
Beerus: Hakai 🥱
Frieza already controlled Hakai before, and that was right before the tournament of power. He is far more stronger now i don't think Hakai gonna worry him too much. If anything he already planned for it
@@RickDeRogatisdepends on who does the hakai beerus would hakai his ahh
@@RickDeRogatisthat hakai was of God of destruction from other universe which was poor hakai and easy to handle like frieza and beerus did it with just a flick to free goku from it so we can't say that after achieving black he could defeat beerus Or not bcoz beerus have not displayed ita full power
There are two forms of hakai.
1: Users erases people using hakai. They don't use it as an energy but just apply it directly to someone's soul to erase them.
2: People uses destructive energy to use hakai. This just enhances the user's destructive powers but it can be used in tricky ways. Like when punching someone you can imbue your fist with it and the part you touched will be turned to dust. It can also be used as a form to get power boost and better control.
@@darkprolord29383 yeah totally agree 👍 bt if Black frieza tries to do that I don't think Beerus will play it easy....he will def do the same he did with zamasu
Guys do remember that Beerus is as strong as the plot requires him to be
People keep saying this but we haven’t seen him take any Ls. It’s lot like comic books where they strengthen and nerf characters based on the plot. We have no idea how strong him or even Weis are.
@@CouchKing13 I kinda like it. It humbles Goku , vegeta, Gohan , broly, frieza quite a bit . Seeing how powerful they are but at the same time there is a higher presence that is always watching
@@shotcallerdj8228Who? Beerus and Whis?
I hate beerus and whis. Cocky bastards riding around destroying random shit that just so happen to be stronger than goku’s 75th new transformation. Toriyama is writing himself into a corner and forcing himself to come up with even greater forms and power for no fucking reason.
That's true of all these characters.
Can we have possible beerus. Beerus 100-percent of his yet. He wasn't at 100-percent and fought the 11 gods.
He was at 100% when he fought the gods
@@Kymopika Yeah, he was..but what if he still hasn't used his 100% with a transformation. I mean Toppo was able to tap into his god of destruction mode so what if Beerus could do the same?
He also has a form of omen and ego so he could theoretically get stronger and stronger. Remember he himself said there's no limit to his power
@@markmatulic9905 facts
@@trisxart2393 beerus said to vegeta his mind is always on destruction and he has purple aura he doesnt need god mode just like how whis doesnt need ui transformation or ui mode
Remember everyone frieze achieve this level of power without any master to teach ,god ki or potential unlocked by Kai just pure talent and normal training
yeah he trained in a time chamber for 10 years In the time.e chamber time
lazy writing tbh
@@trollking6315To be fair, him and the rest of his family are mutants of their race, he was literally born with his namek saga strength, and combine that with the time chamber he found and you get his current power.
@@trollking6315 I can't wait to see what bs the author would do to make goku able to beat frieza
@@hieutv5109super mastered ultra instinct
I feel like Gohan's gon be the star of the show this arc
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@@Marc-bi6ttstay mad replay me when gohan beast did it
@@User_Call_Wrestle yeah okay 🤣
@@User_Call_Wrestle No way gohan beast would give Black frieza a sweat
At least frieza had to put up the work. Beast gohan power up was arse pulled
Gohan has always had crazy potential.
I get where you're coming from, but you're also acting like Frieza's explanation is any better. Frieza went from being weaker than ssj1 Goku, to being stronger than SSG goku and vegeta, within 4 months. Now the storyline conveniently had him going into the timechamber for 10 years to explain how he one shotted goku and vegeta's strongest forms.
Would you feel any different if the writer just magically wrote that Gohan went into the time chamber for 10 years as well?
I think you would've called it a cop-out.
It seems the writers are now suggesting Gohan has Broly-level potential, but isn't as volatile and hasn't allowed it to overpower him, the way it does Broly.
The story-line definitely supports the idea that Gohan has a lower floor than Frieza, seeing how Frieza has never been as weak as RoF Gohan. But it could also support Gohan having a higher ceiling, seeing how by the age of 9, Gohan had surpassed any form Frieza had, until Golden Frieza.
All of super was an arse pull. By far the worst dragon ball series there is.
Bro said if you can't beat a monkey you must become the monkey.😂
In the ToP he did say he would one day overthrow the gods so imagine if he's been training for that...
Still not even close to beerus. And then we have whis and the grand priest. It may be possible grand priest is 5x10x or more powerful then beerus. It is his ego talking. Every time frieza gets stronger then goku or vegeta they become even stronger so next fight he is getting his ass whopped.
@@azem02No. Black frieza just left Goku and Vegeta. He dosent want to fight with them anymore since they are weak. Who said their next form can beat friezas ass?
@@azem02Hes pretty close to beerus my guy, he one shotted everyone.
@@rageskilI even beeruz can do iit. Does not mean he is even close to him. And beeruz can one shot black frieza with no effort. We don't even know the power he has
@@azem02bruh you absolutely delusional asf if you honestly believe beerus is one shotting black frieza 💀 like wtf 💀💀💀
Frieza one shotted gas in only his base (final form) meaning he didn’t even need his black form to one shot Goku and Vegita at there full power
Something beerus hasn’t done
Frieza vs beerus is a high-extreme diff fight and that’s just me being honest
Frieza really went 🧑🏻🦲-🧑🦲-🧑🏿🦲
Edit: Thank you all for the 500 likes I never thought that will get so much likes 💀
Pretty much😂
He’s now allowed to use all racial slurs
@@Carolus_OctaviusHmmm, monke.
@@Carolus_Octavius not all just three out of four
@@bandzgaming8727there's 4!?
Narratively, Beerus is the long term, unstated ceiling. He's there to be a persistent goal that can keep moving backwards. So for Freiza to eclipse Beerus, the need for that narrative ceiling would also need to change. And so far, that hasn't happened.
But it has. The other universes that didn’t compete in the TOP were stated to have lifeforms stronger than what we’ve seen
@@BankaiFever except Beerus himself is also way stronger then any of the other GOD’s we’ve seen so far.
Whis.
He’d have to be a god of destruction & take all 7 dragon balls and wish to do so.
"As strong as the plot needs them to be at the moment"
I hope he is not final villain
Ye
This man just compared black frieza to Kefla ☠️
... To state he's far stronger.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836to kefla bruh really she’s one of the weakest characters goku was towing around with her he didn’t even need to go super saiyan until they fused lmao
@@Clowngeto toying*
man said beast gohan and berus
@@Clowngeto Fair enough, it's true that it goes withot saying, specially considering that he oneshoted both UI and UE.
Now goku is about to unlock his new form: Giga Niga 💀🗿
Im still just in shock at the way Frieza killed Gas. He didn't overpower him in the very end, technically speaking Gas was still the strongest in the universe, but only for like a fucking millisecond.
The wish that Gas was cursed with was that he would constantly be the strongest in the universe, any time a stronger person appeared he would instantly match and surpass their power, but the tradoff was his lifespan. Frieza didn't kill him with that punch through his gut, he killed him by transforming into his Black form and Gas' curse reduced his lifespan so hard that he dissintegrated, because thats just how high and above in power Black Frieza was.
Considering the jumps in power we see gas make and the effect they have, the fact Frieza powering up was enough for him to just *die* is insane.
He was not cursed to always be the strongest, the Dragon could only give him the power to be the strongest in the universe by reducing Gasses lifespan, Gas kept pushing himself too much that more and more of his lifespan was being taken away to increase his power. Frieza was in the time chamber at the time of the wish meaning the wish to make Gas the strongest in the universe didn’t make him stronger than Frieza, as he was outside of the universe at the time in a separate reality. Frieza one shot Gas because he was stronger, Gas didn’t have enough life span left to even remotely push himself pass Frieza even if he wanted too.
frieza said it in manga he was in his own time chamber outside universe, in other dimension, gas wasn't stronger than frieza because frieza wasn't here. read manga again
Beerus would still fold him quicker than laundry on a Wednesday and you late for ya AA meeting.
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Sounds true😂
My man reached SSb level in 4 months and surpassed Ui by a mountain in 10 years. He is amazingly talented, if he actually trained back in dbz then Everyone would have been doomed.
He has infinite n-word passes, need I say more?
😂😂😂
He did not need a pass he would say it anyway 😂
@@thenextedp4456and disentigrate anybody that got a problem with it 😂
So he really just said u can’t beat them join them😂
He conquered pass
Just wait until goku shatters his limits again, and goes beyond god form lol
Beerus made it clear that goku has a long way to go before he even reaches his lvl. Remember Beerus has been a g.o.d for millions of years and goku has been training for 30-45 years
Imagine having a villain game so weak you need to bring back the one from 30 years ago... for like the 4th time
Damn💀
That was definitely the thought that crossed my mind.
namek, mecha, ROF, TOP, broly, and granolah, this is getting out of hand bros dragonballs joker
bro i just realized that now
He really is like the anime Joker 🤦🏽♂️
Frieza took back his spot as the top dog villian
His appearance alone when he confronted Gas caused Gas to shrivel up from how much power Freeza had, so it does make you wonder.
Gas' wish makes him stronger than anyone at any given time but takes away from his life span in exchange. The exchange this time was too much to survive. It changes his form as well....jus an unfortunate side effect in this situation
A Few More Decades In My HTC And I'll Be Crushing Zen-Oh And That Grand Minister.
Bro became a nigga💀
Grandpriest finna show you why he is the father of the angels
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May God bless you all.
Beast Gohan a real passing of the torch
All i know is, that bih better not mutter the word Monkey after this transformation 😂
that black form really put that dawg in frieza 💀
while reading the db super manga in that chapter named ‘the strongest in the universe appears’, never in my mind i think of frieza. its was so cool when he arrived, cant wait to see the granola arc in anime adaptation.
Beast gets folded but Beerus only has to say one word
Before creation comes destruction
*HAKAI*
Yeah beast can easily be beaten by black frieza
Nah
nah. Beast Gohan is going to have his first real fight and win
Broly hasn’t unlocked his full potential don’t count him out yet man jeez 😂
Fr if he trained and learned to control his power he prolly would be the strongest in the series excluding angels and zeno
@@LordKaisan damn straight
@@LordKaisan an ultra form would surpass almost everyone of the g.o.ds.
@@LordKaisanno he wouldn't lol
No one has and one will ever reach their full potential in this show. Potential is the biggest load of crap when it comes to DB. Even the other characters get stronger. Potential only matters when it's a fan favorite and we need an excuse to why/how someone got stronger
Considering gogeta/vegito continually scale up as both goku and vegita get stronger, whatever the current fusion would produce would also be far stronger than before too.
Would be nice to see berrus sweat a little. Just to have his laugh about it.
U mean vegito right?
@@aidanfredbear4859 yeah, typo, thanks for telling me, fixed it
@@peacemaker9807 lol how did you spell it before jw
@@lilcleanex8644 vegita, lol
Frieza saw how strong Gogeta was, this mf absolutely learned something like spirit fission to break the fusion
Bro made gas bite the curb💀🙏
Black Frieza is ridiculous!
Hopefully they won’t mess up the DB canon.
RIP Akira Toriyama 🙏🏻
Who's writing the manga now the author is gone?
I'm not caught up with DB stuff
@@JeyC_ His apprentice and friend Toyotarou will continue his work. Handpicked by Toriyama himself.
@@Shaolinof36thChamberawsome its good to know his work will continue as he wanted.
If gohan will master his beast form then maybe he will be the one fighting black frieza when they will meet, and maybe we will have next arc where gohan is the main character again
No Vegeta has to be the one
@@beckers662I have to agree with you on this one. It’s vegetas time to knock freeze off
Gohan beast would have to train a few years in the time chamber to even be a match for black frieza since he’s only blue kaioken level
😂
Yes i want gohan to become mc for few arcs
something change make us feel great
He is the guy that would one punch saitama
Well yea all of db destroys saitama
Even kid buu one shots that galaxy level saitama.
buu generally should be universe destroyer so ye xd
He is!
@@enjumamoru6513Buu ain't universal, muli complex galactic at most
Hot take:I hope frieza doesn’t get erased and if he does I how he manages to come back some how because he is such a cool villain
Nah i hope vegeta gets his one's and kill's him using hakai as payback for the monke race
@@hhxte3185 yea but then the best villain in db will be gone I feel vegeta will want to kill him but will probably get stopped and/or back out on doing it
@@TheOrthodoxAquinas cooler's better
Thus this far yes but since there is 4 or 6 new universes brought back from being erased there will be new threats far worse than frieza after all they was erased for a reason. It would be cool to yamoshi or how ever you say the first original saiyan who apparently invented ui and the angels stole this technique from the saiyans
@@Kymopika well the way you are making it seem is that goku and frieza are the same just one is good and the other is not
Put frieza back in hell with those fairies lol
I can tell you this, he hasn't caught up to Beerus yet. Beerus is still stronger by as much as another new Frieza transformation.
Let me clear things up, Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest transformation we seen yet, BUT LISTEN.
Beast Gohan was released on
August 19th 2022, and the Granola arc was finished on, guess what? August 23rd 2022., the same chapter where Black Frieza was introduced. To say Black Frieza was a shock and surprise was their exact plan
Yeah but in universe beast gohan comes after black Frieza chronology so it still applies and he doesn't contradict himself.
@@Meetwad"Toriyama doesn't contradict himself"
Also Toriyama: "Says SSG Goku is a 7 and Beerus is 10" then proceeds to make Beerus dogwalk SSB Vegeta in the manga
@@FlxmeT toriyama has alzheimer or what
@@FlxmeT He only really said that for the movie BoG and that was before DBS was even a actual manga. Although Toriyama did forget SSJ3 and people like Launch so he’s not the most reliable.
Not to mention he was talking about anime forms. Not manga.
Beast Gohan finna make Frieza his new color changing pet lizard
Beasthan can’t do shit to black frieza we all know the black frieza arc is after the super superhero events so why don’t they just make gohan help them fight right then and there cause gohan can’t do shit to him
If Gohan faught there would have been a new story like black frieza one shoted ui goku ue vegeta and beast Gohan
@@LordKaisan honestly I didn’t know that arc was after dbssh but I kinda agree
@Riley Slack casual db fans making stuff up because they aren't given anything beyond a surface level depth
@Riley Slack No, Orange Piccolo is.
At the end of the Granola arc.
It said either Frieza was the strongest mortal, or someone else became it.
And guess whos a mortal who just got a new form? Gohan.
Yeah and goku and vegeta now want beast help bcz they were no match for frieza
Yes they technically hint us who can beat this threat but people cant understand
I think it will take everyone fighting together to finally finish the emperor
Whis be like: Kid 😂
I think that freezer is way stronger than beast Gohan but we don't really know how strong is Beerus so we can't judge so far.
Im guessing Black Frieza is "God Killer" form, something he created to help him overthrow the gods, this form might be a threat for even Beerus, or at least I hope it is.
Yeah I agree why would he train a little just to defeat goku and vegeta he wants to defeat every strong opponent to exist he would surpass beerus also so no one in the universe will have dare to challenge him.
He knows that beerus is strong so why don't just surpass him and become the new God of destruction and there will be no strong opponent to challenge him.
Not right away but yes
Except then Beerus is gonna beat the crap outta Frieza
@@annanmunir6779 I mean , all you have to do is kill supreme Kai 🤷🏽♂️
I'm still of the opinion that we need Raditz, and Nappa revived and boosted in power, I would love to see a reunion between the Saiyans.
Beerus : “lets the kids play”🗿
I really like stun sweepers in the new core stone event. The fact that it can hit the crawlers that would otherwise be extremely hard to pin down and stun them for 8 seconds is so nice, and I feel like it's the best tool by far scout has for that situation, both for him and his teammates. _Maybe_ pheromone would also work, but it's so chaotic that I have zero faith a pheromoned target will live long enough to be better (especially having half as many to work with).
Not gon lie frieza will be surpassed again
i think beast gohan is stronger simply because beast gohan vs cell max was stated to be the strongest battle so far (i cant remember where) and the movie takes place after black frieza
But black Frieza didn't really fight anymore in a battle. You can say beast Gohan and cell max surpass any battle goku and vegeta's had but black frieza has yet to really battle anymore.
Also, the movie does take place after the granola arc but we never seen black Frieza fight seriously and he still considered stronger than goku and vegeta even in super hero
@@simpgod2170gohan has a lot of potential isn’t beast gohan stronger then ultra ego and ultra instinct I’m pretty sure he is but gohan gets a new form every time he sees someone die so if goku, piccolo or vegeta die than he well most likely unlock a new form and kill frieza for good
@@simpgod2170 But it is true it takes place after Black Frieza, simply going off the logic Toriyama wanted to make a movie that is obscenely ahead of Super for some reason.
Still wish they had a more unique way of Gohan obtaining the form. Copy-paste SS2 scene choreography was a bit lazy.
@@TufmoonUltra Beast
They will never reach Beerus level. And if they do, it’ll be at the end of Super. Beerus will always be beyond the Z fighters and their villains, no matter how strong they get. He’s not a fixed point for them to reach and surpass, he is constantly getting stronger, and will always be just out of their reach. Which is good because it’s what pushes Goku and Vegeta to become stronger. Frieza wouldn’t stand a chance. Not now, not ever.
@@psn64sat63 Wut.
He's too powerful now since he has the infinite n word pass
If I was frieza, after one shotting goku and vegetas strongest forms I'm going back to the hyperbolic time chamber just to stunt on them when they see me again
That dokkan ost tho
I mean Beast Gohan is nothing for Frieza since he is weaker than Goku and Vegeta
Really bro? 💀
According to Toriyama, beast gohan slaps Goku and Vegeta, especially since piccolo is supposed to be relative in power to them now, and he got bodied by cell Max. Then, beast Gohan blocked an attack from cell Max with his AURA alone, and mopped the floor with him. We can only assume his power at this point.
@@pootis9180 but last time when picolo seen goku in his full power it was in moro arc and the super hero movie took place 5 years after garanolah arc which means about 5 years and 7 months after moro arc so just imagine how strong can goku and vegeta be rn also when they know that frieza have this crazy power and in dbssh goku and vegeta didn't even feel a thing that was going on earth
@@EL_MASTER_offical Okay how were they supposed to sense something on earth when they were busy being occupied training with Broly? And they wouldn't have time to be sensing fir power levels from earth, bcoz certainly they probably not expecting shit to go down there at that moment
@@siphosethumbaba7559 but they sensed it at moro arc but why not this time cuz it wasn't a big threat
power scaling in dragon ball is so broken now 😟
always has been.
“And now I have became what I hate the most” ahh power
Goku - nah I'd win
Zeno - bye bye you hurt just goku
Bills is a weird character when it comes to power, as he just gets more power as the manga continues, first Vegito was a close second to Beerus, Gogeta didn't even surprise him, as he was just waiting to see if he would've to go and take Broly down, Moro fused with a god damn planet didn't even make him flinch, he was ready to throw hands, he is legit the sentry of dragon ball, he will be as powerful as the plot needs him to be
I would like to think Black Frieza is stronger than all the G.o.D’s besides Beerus. (I mean, he is. There’s no argument.) I would like to see Gohan Beast and Black Frieza fight but Black Frieza comes out on top. Or maybe before that, we can finally see Beerus use his full power and Black Frieza could beat him and become the God of Destruction. And then just imagine Vegeta getting a mastered version of Ultra Ego and hakaing Frieza from existence.
Lets be honest vegata will never get a win I lost hope
@@calebokoro. nah vegeta will get his time his character development is showing that. Besides goku hasn't gotten a solid win in i don't know how long. In recent mangas vegeta beat goku Eve if it was off guard it still technically counts.
@B Man I personally feel like there going to use vegito to try to beat him
Frieza would lose against the g.o.d in his current state with no doubt in my mind. You severely underestimate the scaling. The t.o.p was a good example of power scaling gone wrong. 11 won because of skill and plot mostly. The other universes had stronger and more powerful characters yet they still failed. Its not always about power level and raw strength as shown in the survivors arc. He became stronger and more powerful but in the end it meant nothing because in the end he didn't have the skill to control the power. The g.o.ds are hundreds of thousands of years old and have more experience. Frieza would need to be extremely strong and have some type of strategy to even face one of them. Its not going to happen not in this black form. I feel like a diamond form is coming to mirror ssb
@B Man But at the same time frezia was able to one-shot one of the most powerful beings and he probably didn't need to go into black just to beat them. Since t.o.p and the Brody movie freziza has witnessed power levels beyond him so he made sure to train so no one can beat him he train for 10 years in r.o.f he was able to catch up to goku and Vegeta in a couple of months so the kind of power his is hiding is massive so it technically impossible for goku and vegeta to catch up even if they went into the h.c themselves they still wouldn't be able to close the gap
Black Frieza is what happens when the writters have 0 imagination to create a new villain.
This. Time to move on from him
No, he has the ultimate power
He has the pass now
Nothing can stop him
Remember, Beerus has trained for million of years under Whis.
I wish db would put actual hand to hand combat in the scenes instead of just flying around spamming, so we can rlly see the power of dem hands
The problem with scaling Black Frieza is a fact EVERYONE overlooks: Frieza didn't one shot them at THEIR full power, they were HEAVILY exausted
They were healed by monaito
They got healed. :^)
@@Idk-nf6sc How the hell did I miss that, my bad xD
@@TyshaggyGaming nah you good😂
Here's somethin else.
In the resurrection "F" arc, it's shown that although Frieza's new golden form is super powerful,
His form drains energy extremely quickly, allowing Vegeta to swoop in and defeat Frieza in his Blue form.
This may be the same for Freiza-Black! If they can somehow survive his onslaught, they can win by exhausting Frieza out of his Black form.
We need to keep in mind. Vegeta had only just unlocked ultra ego, he hasn’t even had a chance to develop it more like goku has. Vegeta should be stronger than goku soon and he should be the one to finish off frieza for good. With destruction, erasing him from ever being revived
Goku wasn’t even in mastered form when frieza dropped them he was in the sign form and Vegeta definitely not bouta be stronger than goku Akira doesn’t even like vegeta
@@oshaiheath7894 Yeah, he only kept him cause the fans like him. And to be fair, we probably woulda lost all the roots of Saiyan heritage if Vegeta wasn't in the story. Not like Goku cared about his past until he discovered Bardock's scouter.
@@oshaiheath7894he wasn’t in sign he was in TUI
Vegeta fanboy wish fulfillments are always so funny
Strong enough to gain the N-Word Pass.
Beerus is a moving goal post he is stroner until the plot doesn’t want him to be
This is why whis looked away talking about a strongest person universe 7 he probably sensed frieza training
Beast gets negged beerus negs
He is not stronger than Gohan.
He is 💀
Goku>gohan
Akira Toriyama said Beast Gohan surpassed Goku and Vegeta
@@_Yombo smoking on that yombo6528 pack 🚬🗿
@@_Yombo I hope you also know it’s not just about raw strength
@@corrolio Bros going against the creator 💀
Irrelevant to the video and wrong
10 years of training is a LOT for frieza. With just a few months he rivaled ssj blue. Theres no way hes not beerus level if his prgression didnt plateau. I can't wait for the manga to come back
Hes not beerus level, not even the weakest GoD
@@gargamella69 My guy, Jiren was stronger than his god of destruction. Frieza is way stronger than jiren now.
@@gargamella69I’d say Frieza is now stronger than most of the 12 gods of destruction. At least stronger than half of them.
Gods like Beerus, Quitela, Arak, Liquiir, Giin and Rumsshi are still stronger than Black Frieza based on what we’ve seen from both the anime and manga.
Nah, they were already worn out from fighting gas dude
Beast Gohan over every other mortal until proven otherwise. I'll believe Toriyama's statement of Gohan being the strongest as of superhero over any theory or speculation of Black Frieza bring stronger
The movie does take place after the first appearance of black frieza
nah toriyama said that beast gohan is the strongest form yet but he didn't said that gohan is the strongest he means that beast gohan can be perfected and if gohan perfect it he can be the strongest and as much as we know frieza can go from ssj level to ssj blue level in only 6 months of training and this time he did 10 years of training and if we see gohan as before when he first fight cell the power level between other z warriors and gohan wqas crazy but it didn't take them long to surpass ssj2 teen gohan
@@EL_MASTER_offical Akira Toriyama states that Gohan is the strongest Saiyan as of the Super Hero Movie, which does canonically take place after the Granolah Saga.
@@Kymopika yeah but he's the strongest sayian not the strongest mortal
@@EL_MASTER_offical Yeah, as in he was only comparing Gohan to all of the saiyans right then
BRUH WHEN YOU WILL LEARN THAT BEAST GOHAN IS UNDER MUI
He isn’t… beast gohan is wayyy into the future of when Mui was last introduced. Piccolo even stated he has the potential to become the strongest being on earth
@@Yurei.69 and you think Goku doesn't get stronger at that time? What do you think he's power level will stay the same over the years?
@@kenshi.. Well it been stated that Vegeta and Goku's bodies are at their physical limits.
@@vegeta6555 bro when was this stated😭and even if it was, how many times has that been stated and then they got a new asspull form or power up? Be real
Im done with fking frieze at this point tbh
Fair
*frieza
And you’re just gonna have to deal with it cuz at this point we’ll have him for another arc at least
I want beast finish him same gohan says at tournament of power i will end you and then the end for frieza
And that makes sense
Gohan first person to beat up frieza in namak
And heis the one that finish him off
do not let bro cook@@User_Call_Wrestle
Damn bruh those 3 should be best friends after that 💀💀
Id say hes around the power level of bill cosby and michael jackson
If I were a DragonBall, and if I were to make a wish; I'd wish for a storytelling, leading to the significance of Black Frieza equalizing to Gogeta Blue. Both are canon.
Thank You, Akira Toriyama
P.S. Makes sense, he witnessed the fight against Broly.
Nah, Jiren trained very hard after his defeat. He will make big come back.
When Whis said that the strongest warrior in the universe emerged, he didn't mean Granolah or Gas even Toriyama tries to make the audience think it was Gas. My guess is that it's either Black Frieza or, soon to be shown, Beast Gohan.
O freeza was already there 🤦♂️
Gohan is fodder
Beerus boutta one tap frieza like he did to that one planet .
I genuinely believe beast Gohan got this one in the bag
Smoking crack then 💀
Freeza supporting and ending racism at the same time 💀
Finally old terror frieza is back
Beast Gohan was fighting MUI Goku to a stalemate while frieza one shot MUI Goku and Ultra Ego vegeta at the same time. It's clear who's stronger
I'm definitely happy that Frieza is back on the top in terms of strongest villains
I don't need him to necessarily be the strongest character but for him to be an important villain will always make me happy since he is one of my two favorite characters
(I really hope that there's an arc where he tries to take beerus's place and nearly succeeds just for someone else to come in and help stop him. I would really like it if Vegeta even with help manage to actually get the win on this one probably because he's my other favorite character.) cell might also be a favorite character of mine but I haven't seen that saga yet so I'm not going to count it
Every has to remember Goku and Vegeta was tired after fighting
Best freiza compilation ive seen 😁
But what happened to the audio from 4:09-4:17?
Frieza didn't train even a single day of his life until his resurrection.... And it took him only four months to achieve his golden form
Now Frieza can’t complain about monkeys because it would be hypocritical 💀
Super strong, the strongest.
He can use the word. Its his word now.
Goku is in a coma. He never recovered from falling off the cliff and all this is just a dream of a lost child
First Black Goku and now Black Frieza kickin their ass😂
Gohan's beast transformation takes place AFTER Freiza's black form being unveiled in the manga. I can guarantee you Gohan will be portrayed as superior when it comes down to it.
Then the next arc wouldn’t make sense if beast gohan would just shatter black Frieza right off the bat there’s gotta be a good story
bro pulled a michael jackson but inverse.
Beerus:This fight will be legendary
Freiza had a extra 10 years of training in a another dimension over Goku and Vegeta