@@Kymopika Yeah, he was..but what if he still hasn't used his 100% with a transformation. I mean Toppo was able to tap into his god of destruction mode so what if Beerus could do the same?
@@trisxart2393 beerus said to vegeta his mind is always on destruction and he has purple aura he doesnt need god mode just like how whis doesnt need ui transformation or ui mode
The thing about Beerus is that the writers intentionally keep his power level under wraps. We've never seen him go all out or even come close to that. It's natural DB logic to assume that Goku got 3 forms since fighting him so he must be stronger but he doesn't really follow that logic.
There's a term readers of Lookism use for charaters like that called narrative strong or something like that. Basically a characters is always very strong despite not being shown all the time because the story demands it.
@@Meetwad yeah he did go all out, but all of the gods of destruction tagged teamed against him and he was still holding his ground. He has a little bit of Ui to be used. Still Whis did say that goku is far behind beerus. Frieza one shorted a full powered goku in his tui form because he ate a sensu bean if I remover correctly.
Remember everyone frieze achieve this level of power without any master to teach ,god ki or potential unlocked by Kai just pure talent and normal training
@@trollking6315To be fair, him and the rest of his family are mutants of their race, he was literally born with his namek saga strength, and combine that with the time chamber he found and you get his current power.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836to kefla bruh really she’s one of the weakest characters goku was towing around with her he didn’t even need to go super saiyan until they fused lmao
Narratively, Beerus is the long term, unstated ceiling. He's there to be a persistent goal that can keep moving backwards. So for Freiza to eclipse Beerus, the need for that narrative ceiling would also need to change. And so far, that hasn't happened.
Still not even close to beerus. And then we have whis and the grand priest. It may be possible grand priest is 5x10x or more powerful then beerus. It is his ego talking. Every time frieza gets stronger then goku or vegeta they become even stronger so next fight he is getting his ass whopped.
@@azem02No. Black frieza just left Goku and Vegeta. He dosent want to fight with them anymore since they are weak. Who said their next form can beat friezas ass?
@@boynamedrynal even beeruz can do iit. Does not mean he is even close to him. And beeruz can one shot black frieza with no effort. We don't even know the power he has
@@azem02bruh you absolutely delusional asf if you honestly believe beerus is one shotting black frieza 💀 like wtf 💀💀💀 Frieza one shotted gas in only his base (final form) meaning he didn’t even need his black form to one shot Goku and Vegita at there full power Something beerus hasn’t done Frieza vs beerus is a high-extreme diff fight and that’s just me being honest
People keep saying this but we haven’t seen him take any Ls. It’s lot like comic books where they strengthen and nerf characters based on the plot. We have no idea how strong him or even Weis are.
@@CouchKing13 I kinda like it. It humbles Goku , vegeta, Gohan , broly, frieza quite a bit . Seeing how powerful they are but at the same time there is a higher presence that is always watching
I hate beerus and whis. Cocky bastards riding around destroying random shit that just so happen to be stronger than goku’s 75th new transformation. Toriyama is writing himself into a corner and forcing himself to come up with even greater forms and power for no fucking reason.
Frieza already controlled Hakai before, and that was right before the tournament of power. He is far more stronger now i don't think Hakai gonna worry him too much. If anything he already planned for it
@@RickDeRogatisthat hakai was of God of destruction from other universe which was poor hakai and easy to handle like frieza and beerus did it with just a flick to free goku from it so we can't say that after achieving black he could defeat beerus Or not bcoz beerus have not displayed ita full power
There are two forms of hakai. 1: Users erases people using hakai. They don't use it as an energy but just apply it directly to someone's soul to erase them. 2: People uses destructive energy to use hakai. This just enhances the user's destructive powers but it can be used in tricky ways. Like when punching someone you can imbue your fist with it and the part you touched will be turned to dust. It can also be used as a form to get power boost and better control.
@@darkprolord29383 yeah totally agree 👍 bt if Black frieza tries to do that I don't think Beerus will play it easy....he will def do the same he did with zamasu
Im still just in shock at the way Frieza killed Gas. He didn't overpower him in the very end, technically speaking Gas was still the strongest in the universe, but only for like a fucking millisecond. The wish that Gas was cursed with was that he would constantly be the strongest in the universe, any time a stronger person appeared he would instantly match and surpass their power, but the tradoff was his lifespan. Frieza didn't kill him with that punch through his gut, he killed him by transforming into his Black form and Gas' curse reduced his lifespan so hard that he dissintegrated, because thats just how high and above in power Black Frieza was.
He was not cursed to always be the strongest, the Dragon could only give him the power to be the strongest in the universe by reducing Gasses lifespan, Gas kept pushing himself too much that more and more of his lifespan was being taken away to increase his power. Frieza was in the time chamber at the time of the wish meaning the wish to make Gas the strongest in the universe didn’t make him stronger than Frieza, as he was outside of the universe at the time in a separate reality. Frieza one shot Gas because he was stronger, Gas didn’t have enough life span left to even remotely push himself pass Frieza even if he wanted too.
frieza said it in manga he was in his own time chamber outside universe, in other dimension, gas wasn't stronger than frieza because frieza wasn't here. read manga again
No one has and one will ever reach their full potential in this show. Potential is the biggest load of crap when it comes to DB. Even the other characters get stronger. Potential only matters when it's a fan favorite and we need an excuse to why/how someone got stronger
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Considering gogeta/vegito continually scale up as both goku and vegita get stronger, whatever the current fusion would produce would also be far stronger than before too. Would be nice to see berrus sweat a little. Just to have his laugh about it.
Gohan has always had crazy potential. I get where you're coming from, but you're also acting like Frieza's explanation is any better. Frieza went from being weaker than ssj1 Goku, to being stronger than SSG goku and vegeta, within 4 months. Now the storyline conveniently had him going into the timechamber for 10 years to explain how he one shotted goku and vegeta's strongest forms. Would you feel any different if the writer just magically wrote that Gohan went into the time chamber for 10 years as well? I think you would've called it a cop-out. It seems the writers are now suggesting Gohan has Broly-level potential, but isn't as volatile and hasn't allowed it to overpower him, the way it does Broly. The story-line definitely supports the idea that Gohan has a lower floor than Frieza, seeing how Frieza has never been as weak as RoF Gohan. But it could also support Gohan having a higher ceiling, seeing how by the age of 9, Gohan had surpassed any form Frieza had, until Golden Frieza.
According to Toriyama, beast gohan slaps Goku and Vegeta, especially since piccolo is supposed to be relative in power to them now, and he got bodied by cell Max. Then, beast Gohan blocked an attack from cell Max with his AURA alone, and mopped the floor with him. We can only assume his power at this point.
@@pootis9180 but last time when picolo seen goku in his full power it was in moro arc and the super hero movie took place 5 years after garanolah arc which means about 5 years and 7 months after moro arc so just imagine how strong can goku and vegeta be rn also when they know that frieza have this crazy power and in dbssh goku and vegeta didn't even feel a thing that was going on earth
@@Master_op069 Okay how were they supposed to sense something on earth when they were busy being occupied training with Broly? And they wouldn't have time to be sensing fir power levels from earth, bcoz certainly they probably not expecting shit to go down there at that moment
as much as you guys love beast gohan, im sorry but he is just as strong as tournament goku and vegeta. he is just too overhyped for beating that underdeveloped monster.... frieza can destroy gohan. when it comes to beerus, its tricky. i think frieza is a challange for beerus but beerus wins if he uses more of his power. frieza trained for 10 years but beerus has been living for 75 million years so just imagine how stronger he has gotten
I doubt that's Gohan's final form. If I'm not mistaken, Gohan taps into his beast form by tapping into his rage, just before the moment he snaps. Meaning there's more power there, but he's not strong enough to not be consumed by it.
They will never reach Beerus level. And if they do, it’ll be at the end of Super. Beerus will always be beyond the Z fighters and their villains, no matter how strong they get. He’s not a fixed point for them to reach and surpass, he is constantly getting stronger, and will always be just out of their reach. Which is good because it’s what pushes Goku and Vegeta to become stronger. Frieza wouldn’t stand a chance. Not now, not ever.
If gohan will master his beast form then maybe he will be the one fighting black frieza when they will meet, and maybe we will have next arc where gohan is the main character again
I would like to think Black Frieza is stronger than all the G.o.D’s besides Beerus. (I mean, he is. There’s no argument.) I would like to see Gohan Beast and Black Frieza fight but Black Frieza comes out on top. Or maybe before that, we can finally see Beerus use his full power and Black Frieza could beat him and become the God of Destruction. And then just imagine Vegeta getting a mastered version of Ultra Ego and hakaing Frieza from existence.
@@calebokoro. nah vegeta will get his time his character development is showing that. Besides goku hasn't gotten a solid win in i don't know how long. In recent mangas vegeta beat goku Eve if it was off guard it still technically counts.
Frieza would lose against the g.o.d in his current state with no doubt in my mind. You severely underestimate the scaling. The t.o.p was a good example of power scaling gone wrong. 11 won because of skill and plot mostly. The other universes had stronger and more powerful characters yet they still failed. Its not always about power level and raw strength as shown in the survivors arc. He became stronger and more powerful but in the end it meant nothing because in the end he didn't have the skill to control the power. The g.o.ds are hundreds of thousands of years old and have more experience. Frieza would need to be extremely strong and have some type of strategy to even face one of them. Its not going to happen not in this black form. I feel like a diamond form is coming to mirror ssb
@B Man But at the same time frezia was able to one-shot one of the most powerful beings and he probably didn't need to go into black just to beat them. Since t.o.p and the Brody movie freziza has witnessed power levels beyond him so he made sure to train so no one can beat him he train for 10 years in r.o.f he was able to catch up to goku and Vegeta in a couple of months so the kind of power his is hiding is massive so it technically impossible for goku and vegeta to catch up even if they went into the h.c themselves they still wouldn't be able to close the gap
Beerus made it clear that goku has a long way to go before he even reaches his lvl. Remember Beerus has been a g.o.d for millions of years and goku has been training for 30-45 years
Bills is a weird character when it comes to power, as he just gets more power as the manga continues, first Vegito was a close second to Beerus, Gogeta didn't even surprise him, as he was just waiting to see if he would've to go and take Broly down, Moro fused with a god damn planet didn't even make him flinch, he was ready to throw hands, he is legit the sentry of dragon ball, he will be as powerful as the plot needs him to be
Not only does Whis teach & train he has teachers at his disposal. Factoring in the possibility of time chambers, (do any still exists canonically?) unknown techniques on planet Yardrat, the dragon balls, Gohan's aptitude & innate ability to go above and beyond & fusions; the possibilities are endless & limitless with Gohan especially with all the speculation of Vegeta & Goku possibly becoming Gs.o.Ds.; why not Gohan becoming one? Then again Gohan might not make a good God of destruction cause alll he wants to do is study. He's not really tryna destroy. Are there any pretty much evil planets in our universe? Maybe he could destroy those worlds if the fate of the universe depended upon it.. Hmm nah it's Gohan. ion see it but he could level up though through training and wishes 🤷🏿 as someone pointed out we haven't seen Beerus at 100% he gon need a good meal and "nap" hahahaha
Ok Dudes I have crazy theory for black freeza. We all remeber our favourite invincible villian zamasu that got destroyed by zeno. Destryoing a invincible guy doesn't makes sense especially if he got his power from super shenron which reversed zeno's decision to erase the universes. I know this sounds crazy but I think Zamasu stole freeza'a body and freeza is dead. Goku black. Black freeza. You know what i mean? We might see another stronger zamasu with more crazy powers. To the fact Goku ded in both cases
We need to keep in mind. Vegeta had only just unlocked ultra ego, he hasn’t even had a chance to develop it more like goku has. Vegeta should be stronger than goku soon and he should be the one to finish off frieza for good. With destruction, erasing him from ever being revived
Goku wasn’t even in mastered form when frieza dropped them he was in the sign form and Vegeta definitely not bouta be stronger than goku Akira doesn’t even like vegeta
@@oshaiheath7894 Yeah, he only kept him cause the fans like him. And to be fair, we probably woulda lost all the roots of Saiyan heritage if Vegeta wasn't in the story. Not like Goku cared about his past until he discovered Bardock's scouter.
I feel like Frieza, for cannon reasons still not be the same level as Beerus. I mean we haven't even seen him use actually percentage of power, nor any effort. So i still think he would be able to defeat Beerus. Maybe Gohan. But considering the fact that he literally did zero training to get it. Now comparing that to a guy who trained for a literal decade just to reach beyond Goku & Vegeta's power level, and potentially more. Yea just Give Gohan like a few hours of training, or either fight Frieza and he'll beat him. And definitely will potentially even get more stronger.
@@hhxte3185 yea but then the best villain in db will be gone I feel vegeta will want to kill him but will probably get stopped and/or back out on doing it
Thus this far yes but since there is 4 or 6 new universes brought back from being erased there will be new threats far worse than frieza after all they was erased for a reason. It would be cool to yamoshi or how ever you say the first original saiyan who apparently invented ui and the angels stole this technique from the saiyans
Broly would wreck Frieza and Jiren would also beat up Frieza because Black Frieza is nearly equivalent to God Of destruction level but Jiren is already stronger than that during the tournament of power before he broke his limit
Let me clear things up, Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest transformation we seen yet, BUT LISTEN. Beast Gohan was released on August 19th 2022, and the Granola arc was finished on, guess what? August 23rd 2022., the same chapter where Black Frieza was introduced. To say Black Frieza was a shock and surprise was their exact plan
@@Meetwad"Toriyama doesn't contradict himself" Also Toriyama: "Says SSG Goku is a 7 and Beerus is 10" then proceeds to make Beerus dogwalk SSB Vegeta in the manga
@@averyb4250 He only really said that for the movie BoG and that was before DBS was even a actual manga. Although Toriyama did forget SSJ3 and people like Launch so he’s not the most reliable.
Beerus has some form of ultra instinct it’s not completely perfected to the level of Whis but it is beyond goku.The truth is that Beerus could still easily dodge all of goku and Vegeta up until they start using ultra instinct and ultra ego. Even with that they are just beginning to learn the powers. For example goku just learnt TUI which means he’s still new to all its capabilities and Vegeta is just discovering ultra ego. Where as Beerus is a fully fledged god of destruction with complete mastery over the power and in addition he also uses ultra instinct in base when he dodges. Suggesting that he has complete control over mui at the very least and doesn’t need to transform. As for Freiza I’m pretty sure if Beerus combined the two powers he would defeat freiza with not much difficulty
It should have been Cooler. Black Freeza is so boring it's just golden Freeza but a different color. I don't get how db fans can watch other creative anime these days and still get hyped over a form where the only difference is it's stronger than the one before. 😂
i think beast gohan is stronger simply because beast gohan vs cell max was stated to be the strongest battle so far (i cant remember where) and the movie takes place after black frieza
But black Frieza didn't really fight anymore in a battle. You can say beast Gohan and cell max surpass any battle goku and vegeta's had but black frieza has yet to really battle anymore. Also, the movie does take place after the granola arc but we never seen black Frieza fight seriously and he still considered stronger than goku and vegeta even in super hero
@@simpgod2170gohan has a lot of potential isn’t beast gohan stronger then ultra ego and ultra instinct I’m pretty sure he is but gohan gets a new form every time he sees someone die so if goku, piccolo or vegeta die than he well most likely unlock a new form and kill frieza for good
@@simpgod2170 But it is true it takes place after Black Frieza, simply going off the logic Toriyama wanted to make a movie that is obscenely ahead of Super for some reason. Still wish they had a more unique way of Gohan obtaining the form. Copy-paste SS2 scene choreography was a bit lazy.
I think he'll try and take beerus throne as the God of destruction and he will either win and be the final villain of dbs or beerus will humble him giving goku and vegeta higher heights to reach.
10 years of training is a LOT for frieza. With just a few months he rivaled ssj blue. Theres no way hes not beerus level if his prgression didnt plateau. I can't wait for the manga to come back
Here's somethin else. In the resurrection "F" arc, it's shown that although Frieza's new golden form is super powerful, His form drains energy extremely quickly, allowing Vegeta to swoop in and defeat Frieza in his Blue form. This may be the same for Freiza-Black! If they can somehow survive his onslaught, they can win by exhausting Frieza out of his Black form.
Beasthan can’t do shit to black frieza we all know the black frieza arc is after the super superhero events so why don’t they just make gohan help them fight right then and there cause gohan can’t do shit to him
Im guessing Black Frieza is "God Killer" form, something he created to help him overthrow the gods, this form might be a threat for even Beerus, or at least I hope it is.
Yeah I agree why would he train a little just to defeat goku and vegeta he wants to defeat every strong opponent to exist he would surpass beerus also so no one in the universe will have dare to challenge him.
He knows that beerus is strong so why don't just surpass him and become the new God of destruction and there will be no strong opponent to challenge him.
At the end of the Granola arc. It said either Frieza was the strongest mortal, or someone else became it. And guess whos a mortal who just got a new form? Gohan.
Jiren>> beerus, goku>>>jiren, black freezer >>> goku… black freezer >>>> beerus and also goku win vs beast gohan so black freezer >>>> gohan because gohan is less strongher than goku
If toriyama statement about gohan is currently the strongest z fighter was right, I assume frieza is gohan level but slightly above. But he wont be at beerus level
Hasn't all of dbz been a bunch of ass pull transformations since Buu arc? I mean everyone gets a new form 1 by 1 for sale. finish an arc just make another tournament. The story writes itself but it's all pure trash
Beast Gohan over every other mortal until proven otherwise. I'll believe Toriyama's statement of Gohan being the strongest as of superhero over any theory or speculation of Black Frieza bring stronger
nah toriyama said that beast gohan is the strongest form yet but he didn't said that gohan is the strongest he means that beast gohan can be perfected and if gohan perfect it he can be the strongest and as much as we know frieza can go from ssj level to ssj blue level in only 6 months of training and this time he did 10 years of training and if we see gohan as before when he first fight cell the power level between other z warriors and gohan wqas crazy but it didn't take them long to surpass ssj2 teen gohan
@@Master_op069 Akira Toriyama states that Gohan is the strongest Saiyan as of the Super Hero Movie, which does canonically take place after the Granolah Saga.
I want beast finish him same gohan says at tournament of power i will end you and then the end for frieza And that makes sense Gohan first person to beat up frieza in namak And heis the one that finish him off
He isn’t… beast gohan is wayyy into the future of when Mui was last introduced. Piccolo even stated he has the potential to become the strongest being on earth
@@vegeta6555 bro when was this stated😭and even if it was, how many times has that been stated and then they got a new asspull form or power up? Be real
Goku in mastered UI is stronger than Beerus. Whis says in Super, that not even the Beerus has master ultra instinct. So if Frieza can beat Goku MUI, than Beerus doesn’t stand a chance.
If he one shots both Goku and Vegeta Goku and Vegeta power level alone. T.u.i is 19 septillion/Ultra ego current 15 septillion HIs power level might be close to rivaling Beerus but there no confirming info at the moment so black Frieza power level is around 30.6 septillion
Beerus strength is a sticky one, he was watching Moro's encounter with Goku and Vegeta, and was about to stop Moro himself. Which I assume he could have with ease suggesting he is stronger than Broly, Goku and Vegeta at the time. Yet, in the ToP, Jiren was stronger than his own God of Destruction who was seen as the 2nd strongest God of Destruction. Either Beerus is soooo much stronger than the other Destroyers or they changed his strength level everytime they find a new opponent
Frieza Trained For 10 Years Which Ended Up Giving Him The Ressurection F Power Up 30x with the Black Form On Top Of That. So Technically Current 1st Form Frieza Would Easily Beat Goku and Vegeta in their strongest forms. Gohan (Beast) is not beating Frieza, I don't even know why it's even a debate.
Well we haven’t seen beast gohan go all out against anyone he killed cell max with just one attack but then again we haven’t seen beerus go all out even when he was fighting 11 gods he still didn’t go full power so it would be nice to see his full power but we will just have to wait and see if it happens in the anime or is it gonna be in the manga
Its obviously he could solo granolah. ( sorry if spelled wrong ) granolah only has 3 years for a deal to be the strongest. 3 YEARS! Gas uses his molecules or smh to be strong which only made him have longer chances to die by age
Beerus is literally, LITERALLY, the author's pet.
@@david903317then who is the current author?
@@rafihossen6477the author only died days ago
@@remasteredgliched7682 so will this manga continue any longer then?
@@rafihossen6477 his son was supposed to eventually take over
@@david903317 Akira Toriyama wasn't the author of the Super manga. He's the creator of the franchise and the author of dragon ball and DBZ.
Frieza really went 🧑🏻🦲-🧑🦲-🧑🏿🦲
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Pretty much😂
He’s now allowed to use all racial slurs
@@Carolus_OctaviusHmmm, monke.
@@Carolus_Octavius not all just three out of four
@@bandzgaming8727there's 4!?
Can we have possible beerus. Beerus 100-percent of his yet. He wasn't at 100-percent and fought the 11 gods.
He was at 100% when he fought the gods
@@Kymopika Yeah, he was..but what if he still hasn't used his 100% with a transformation. I mean Toppo was able to tap into his god of destruction mode so what if Beerus could do the same?
He also has a form of omen and ego so he could theoretically get stronger and stronger. Remember he himself said there's no limit to his power
@@markmatulic9905 facts
@@trisxart2393 beerus said to vegeta his mind is always on destruction and he has purple aura he doesnt need god mode just like how whis doesnt need ui transformation or ui mode
The thing about Beerus is that the writers intentionally keep his power level under wraps. We've never seen him go all out or even come close to that. It's natural DB logic to assume that Goku got 3 forms since fighting him so he must be stronger but he doesn't really follow that logic.
There's a term readers of Lookism use for charaters like that called narrative strong or something like that. Basically a characters is always very strong despite not being shown all the time because the story demands it.
He went out against the gods and you can't deny it because he was bleeding and all that at the end.
Or maybe because he’s a god that trained for a millennia?
Didn't he go all out against the Gods of Destruction?
@@Meetwad yeah he did go all out, but all of the gods of destruction tagged teamed against him and he was still holding his ground. He has a little bit of Ui to be used. Still Whis did say that goku is far behind beerus. Frieza one shorted a full powered goku in his tui form because he ate a sensu bean if I remover correctly.
Remember everyone frieze achieve this level of power without any master to teach ,god ki or potential unlocked by Kai just pure talent and normal training
yeah he trained in a time chamber for 10 years In the time.e chamber time
lazy writing tbh
@@trollking6315To be fair, him and the rest of his family are mutants of their race, he was literally born with his namek saga strength, and combine that with the time chamber he found and you get his current power.
@@trollking6315 I can't wait to see what bs the author would do to make goku able to beat frieza
@@hieutv5109super mastered ultra instinct
This man just compared black frieza to Kefla ☠️
... To state he's far stronger.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836to kefla bruh really she’s one of the weakest characters goku was towing around with her he didn’t even need to go super saiyan until they fused lmao
@@Clowngeto toying*
man said beast gohan and berus
@@Clowngeto Fair enough, it's true that it goes withot saying, specially considering that he oneshoted both UI and UE.
Hold your fire! this man isn't black - Trunks
Kill him! He's black! - Trunks probably
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He has infinite n-word passes, need I say more?
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He did not need a pass he would say it anyway 😂
@@thenextedp4456and disentigrate anybody that got a problem with it 😂
So he really just said u can’t beat them join them😂
He conquered pass
Narratively, Beerus is the long term, unstated ceiling. He's there to be a persistent goal that can keep moving backwards. So for Freiza to eclipse Beerus, the need for that narrative ceiling would also need to change. And so far, that hasn't happened.
In the ToP he did say he would one day overthrow the gods so imagine if he's been training for that...
Still not even close to beerus. And then we have whis and the grand priest. It may be possible grand priest is 5x10x or more powerful then beerus. It is his ego talking. Every time frieza gets stronger then goku or vegeta they become even stronger so next fight he is getting his ass whopped.
@@azem02No. Black frieza just left Goku and Vegeta. He dosent want to fight with them anymore since they are weak. Who said their next form can beat friezas ass?
@@azem02Hes pretty close to beerus my guy, he one shotted everyone.
@@boynamedrynal even beeruz can do iit. Does not mean he is even close to him. And beeruz can one shot black frieza with no effort. We don't even know the power he has
@@azem02bruh you absolutely delusional asf if you honestly believe beerus is one shotting black frieza 💀 like wtf 💀💀💀
Frieza one shotted gas in only his base (final form) meaning he didn’t even need his black form to one shot Goku and Vegita at there full power
Something beerus hasn’t done
Frieza vs beerus is a high-extreme diff fight and that’s just me being honest
Guys do remember that Beerus is as strong as the plot requires him to be
People keep saying this but we haven’t seen him take any Ls. It’s lot like comic books where they strengthen and nerf characters based on the plot. We have no idea how strong him or even Weis are.
@@CouchKing13 I kinda like it. It humbles Goku , vegeta, Gohan , broly, frieza quite a bit . Seeing how powerful they are but at the same time there is a higher presence that is always watching
@@shotcallerdj8228Who? Beerus and Whis?
I hate beerus and whis. Cocky bastards riding around destroying random shit that just so happen to be stronger than goku’s 75th new transformation. Toriyama is writing himself into a corner and forcing himself to come up with even greater forms and power for no fucking reason.
That's true of all these characters.
Frieza: Now l will not have to call you lord, you hairless cat
Beerus: Hakai 🥱
Frieza already controlled Hakai before, and that was right before the tournament of power. He is far more stronger now i don't think Hakai gonna worry him too much. If anything he already planned for it
@@RickDeRogatisdepends on who does the hakai beerus would hakai his ahh
@@RickDeRogatisthat hakai was of God of destruction from other universe which was poor hakai and easy to handle like frieza and beerus did it with just a flick to free goku from it so we can't say that after achieving black he could defeat beerus Or not bcoz beerus have not displayed ita full power
There are two forms of hakai.
1: Users erases people using hakai. They don't use it as an energy but just apply it directly to someone's soul to erase them.
2: People uses destructive energy to use hakai. This just enhances the user's destructive powers but it can be used in tricky ways. Like when punching someone you can imbue your fist with it and the part you touched will be turned to dust. It can also be used as a form to get power boost and better control.
@@darkprolord29383 yeah totally agree 👍 bt if Black frieza tries to do that I don't think Beerus will play it easy....he will def do the same he did with zamasu
"As strong as the plot needs them to be at the moment"
I hope he is not final villain
Ye
Im still just in shock at the way Frieza killed Gas. He didn't overpower him in the very end, technically speaking Gas was still the strongest in the universe, but only for like a fucking millisecond.
The wish that Gas was cursed with was that he would constantly be the strongest in the universe, any time a stronger person appeared he would instantly match and surpass their power, but the tradoff was his lifespan. Frieza didn't kill him with that punch through his gut, he killed him by transforming into his Black form and Gas' curse reduced his lifespan so hard that he dissintegrated, because thats just how high and above in power Black Frieza was.
Considering the jumps in power we see gas make and the effect they have, the fact Frieza powering up was enough for him to just *die* is insane.
He was not cursed to always be the strongest, the Dragon could only give him the power to be the strongest in the universe by reducing Gasses lifespan, Gas kept pushing himself too much that more and more of his lifespan was being taken away to increase his power. Frieza was in the time chamber at the time of the wish meaning the wish to make Gas the strongest in the universe didn’t make him stronger than Frieza, as he was outside of the universe at the time in a separate reality. Frieza one shot Gas because he was stronger, Gas didn’t have enough life span left to even remotely push himself pass Frieza even if he wanted too.
frieza said it in manga he was in his own time chamber outside universe, in other dimension, gas wasn't stronger than frieza because frieza wasn't here. read manga again
Broly hasn’t unlocked his full potential don’t count him out yet man jeez 😂
Fr if he trained and learned to control his power he prolly would be the strongest in the series excluding angels and zeno
@@LordKaisan damn straight
@@LordKaisan an ultra form would surpass almost everyone of the g.o.ds.
@@LordKaisanno he wouldn't lol
No one has and one will ever reach their full potential in this show. Potential is the biggest load of crap when it comes to DB. Even the other characters get stronger. Potential only matters when it's a fan favorite and we need an excuse to why/how someone got stronger
Goku's hair will turn brown or something and Frieza will fold like a fucking crouton.
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Imagine having a villain game so weak you need to bring back the one from 30 years ago... for like the 4th time
Damn💀
That was definitely the thought that crossed my mind.
namek, mecha, ROF, TOP, broly, and granolah, this is getting out of hand bros dragonballs joker
bro i just realized that now
He really is like the anime Joker 🤦🏽♂️
Considering gogeta/vegito continually scale up as both goku and vegita get stronger, whatever the current fusion would produce would also be far stronger than before too.
Would be nice to see berrus sweat a little. Just to have his laugh about it.
U mean vegito right?
@@aidanfredbear4859 yeah, typo, thanks for telling me, fixed it
@@peacemaker9807 lol how did you spell it before jw
@@lilcleanex8644 vegita, lol
At least frieza had to put up the work. Beast gohan power up was arse pulled
Gohan has always had crazy potential.
I get where you're coming from, but you're also acting like Frieza's explanation is any better. Frieza went from being weaker than ssj1 Goku, to being stronger than SSG goku and vegeta, within 4 months. Now the storyline conveniently had him going into the timechamber for 10 years to explain how he one shotted goku and vegeta's strongest forms.
Would you feel any different if the writer just magically wrote that Gohan went into the time chamber for 10 years as well?
I think you would've called it a cop-out.
It seems the writers are now suggesting Gohan has Broly-level potential, but isn't as volatile and hasn't allowed it to overpower him, the way it does Broly.
The story-line definitely supports the idea that Gohan has a lower floor than Frieza, seeing how Frieza has never been as weak as RoF Gohan. But it could also support Gohan having a higher ceiling, seeing how by the age of 9, Gohan had surpassed any form Frieza had, until Golden Frieza.
He is the guy that would one punch saitama
Well yea all of db destroys saitama
Even kid buu one shots that galaxy level saitama.
buu generally should be universe destroyer so ye xd
He is!
@@enjumamoru6513Buu ain't universal, muli complex galactic at most
I mean Beast Gohan is nothing for Frieza since he is weaker than Goku and Vegeta
Really bro? 💀
According to Toriyama, beast gohan slaps Goku and Vegeta, especially since piccolo is supposed to be relative in power to them now, and he got bodied by cell Max. Then, beast Gohan blocked an attack from cell Max with his AURA alone, and mopped the floor with him. We can only assume his power at this point.
@@pootis9180 but last time when picolo seen goku in his full power it was in moro arc and the super hero movie took place 5 years after garanolah arc which means about 5 years and 7 months after moro arc so just imagine how strong can goku and vegeta be rn also when they know that frieza have this crazy power and in dbssh goku and vegeta didn't even feel a thing that was going on earth
@@Master_op069 Okay how were they supposed to sense something on earth when they were busy being occupied training with Broly? And they wouldn't have time to be sensing fir power levels from earth, bcoz certainly they probably not expecting shit to go down there at that moment
@@siphosethumbaba7559 but they sensed it at moro arc but why not this time cuz it wasn't a big threat
as much as you guys love beast gohan, im sorry but he is just as strong as tournament goku and vegeta. he is just too overhyped for beating that underdeveloped monster....
frieza can destroy gohan.
when it comes to beerus, its tricky. i think frieza is a challange for beerus but beerus wins if he uses more of his power. frieza trained for 10 years but beerus has been living for 75 million years so just imagine how stronger he has gotten
I doubt that's Gohan's final form. If I'm not mistaken, Gohan taps into his beast form by tapping into his rage, just before the moment he snaps. Meaning there's more power there, but he's not strong enough to not be consumed by it.
They will never reach Beerus level. And if they do, it’ll be at the end of Super. Beerus will always be beyond the Z fighters and their villains, no matter how strong they get. He’s not a fixed point for them to reach and surpass, he is constantly getting stronger, and will always be just out of their reach. Which is good because it’s what pushes Goku and Vegeta to become stronger. Frieza wouldn’t stand a chance. Not now, not ever.
@@psn64sat63 Wut.
Well brolys power has probably doubled or even tripled since the movie so I think him and gohan are the only real candidates as beerus is a god.
power scaling in dragon ball is so broken now 😟
always has been.
they will probably make a Fusion Ultra Ego Instinct Vegito or some shit.
Beerus would still fold him quicker than laundry on a Wednesday and you late for ya AA meeting.
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Freezer is really demonstrating of being the most powerful creature in the universe.
If gohan will master his beast form then maybe he will be the one fighting black frieza when they will meet, and maybe we will have next arc where gohan is the main character again
No Vegeta has to be the one
@@beckers662I have to agree with you on this one. It’s vegetas time to knock freeze off
Gohan beast would have to train a few years in the time chamber to even be a match for black frieza since he’s only blue kaioken level
😂
Yes i want gohan to become mc for few arcs
something change make us feel great
It’s been foreshadowed that gohan will deal with frieza
Black Frieza is ridiculous!
Hopefully they won’t mess up the DB canon.
RIP Akira Toriyama 🙏🏻
Who's writing the manga now the author is gone?
I'm not caught up with DB stuff
@@JeyC_ His apprentice and friend Toyotarou will continue his work. Handpicked by Toriyama himself.
@@Shaolinof36thChamberawsome its good to know his work will continue as he wanted.
People keep hyping up BEAST GOHAN . Freeze already mopped him
I would like to think Black Frieza is stronger than all the G.o.D’s besides Beerus. (I mean, he is. There’s no argument.) I would like to see Gohan Beast and Black Frieza fight but Black Frieza comes out on top. Or maybe before that, we can finally see Beerus use his full power and Black Frieza could beat him and become the God of Destruction. And then just imagine Vegeta getting a mastered version of Ultra Ego and hakaing Frieza from existence.
Lets be honest vegata will never get a win I lost hope
@@calebokoro. nah vegeta will get his time his character development is showing that. Besides goku hasn't gotten a solid win in i don't know how long. In recent mangas vegeta beat goku Eve if it was off guard it still technically counts.
@B Man I personally feel like there going to use vegito to try to beat him
Frieza would lose against the g.o.d in his current state with no doubt in my mind. You severely underestimate the scaling. The t.o.p was a good example of power scaling gone wrong. 11 won because of skill and plot mostly. The other universes had stronger and more powerful characters yet they still failed. Its not always about power level and raw strength as shown in the survivors arc. He became stronger and more powerful but in the end it meant nothing because in the end he didn't have the skill to control the power. The g.o.ds are hundreds of thousands of years old and have more experience. Frieza would need to be extremely strong and have some type of strategy to even face one of them. Its not going to happen not in this black form. I feel like a diamond form is coming to mirror ssb
@B Man But at the same time frezia was able to one-shot one of the most powerful beings and he probably didn't need to go into black just to beat them. Since t.o.p and the Brody movie freziza has witnessed power levels beyond him so he made sure to train so no one can beat him he train for 10 years in r.o.f he was able to catch up to goku and Vegeta in a couple of months so the kind of power his is hiding is massive so it technically impossible for goku and vegeta to catch up even if they went into the h.c themselves they still wouldn't be able to close the gap
What was Kefla doing there 💀
Just wait until goku shatters his limits again, and goes beyond god form lol
Beerus made it clear that goku has a long way to go before he even reaches his lvl. Remember Beerus has been a g.o.d for millions of years and goku has been training for 30-45 years
What if Gogeta had a form name “Ultra Intsego”?
I think that freezer is way stronger than beast Gohan but we don't really know how strong is Beerus so we can't judge so far.
Bills is a weird character when it comes to power, as he just gets more power as the manga continues, first Vegito was a close second to Beerus, Gogeta didn't even surprise him, as he was just waiting to see if he would've to go and take Broly down, Moro fused with a god damn planet didn't even make him flinch, he was ready to throw hands, he is legit the sentry of dragon ball, he will be as powerful as the plot needs him to be
He is not stronger than Gohan.
He is 💀
Not only does Whis teach & train he has teachers at his disposal. Factoring in the possibility of time chambers, (do any still exists canonically?) unknown techniques on planet Yardrat, the dragon balls, Gohan's aptitude & innate ability to go above and beyond & fusions; the possibilities are endless & limitless with Gohan especially with all the speculation of Vegeta & Goku possibly becoming Gs.o.Ds.; why not Gohan becoming one? Then again Gohan might not make a good God of destruction cause alll he wants to do is study. He's not really tryna destroy. Are there any pretty much evil planets in our universe? Maybe he could destroy those worlds if the fate of the universe depended upon it.. Hmm nah it's Gohan. ion see it but he could level up though through training and wishes 🤷🏿 as someone pointed out we haven't seen Beerus at 100% he gon need a good meal and "nap" hahahaha
Beast Gohan a real passing of the torch
Ok Dudes I have crazy theory for black freeza. We all remeber our favourite invincible villian zamasu that got destroyed by zeno. Destryoing a invincible guy doesn't makes sense especially if he got his power from super shenron which reversed zeno's decision to erase the universes. I know this sounds crazy but I think Zamasu stole freeza'a body and freeza is dead. Goku black. Black freeza. You know what i mean? We might see another stronger zamasu with more crazy powers. To the fact Goku ded in both cases
We need to keep in mind. Vegeta had only just unlocked ultra ego, he hasn’t even had a chance to develop it more like goku has. Vegeta should be stronger than goku soon and he should be the one to finish off frieza for good. With destruction, erasing him from ever being revived
Goku wasn’t even in mastered form when frieza dropped them he was in the sign form and Vegeta definitely not bouta be stronger than goku Akira doesn’t even like vegeta
@@oshaiheath7894 Yeah, he only kept him cause the fans like him. And to be fair, we probably woulda lost all the roots of Saiyan heritage if Vegeta wasn't in the story. Not like Goku cared about his past until he discovered Bardock's scouter.
@@oshaiheath7894he wasn’t in sign he was in TUI
Vegeta fanboy wish fulfillments are always so funny
I feel like Frieza, for cannon reasons still not be the same level as Beerus.
I mean we haven't even seen him use actually percentage of power, nor any effort.
So i still think he would be able to defeat Beerus.
Maybe Gohan.
But considering the fact that he literally did zero training to get it.
Now comparing that to a guy who trained for a literal decade just to reach beyond Goku & Vegeta's power level, and potentially more.
Yea just Give Gohan like a few hours of training, or either fight Frieza and he'll beat him.
And definitely will potentially even get more stronger.
Beast gets folded but Beerus only has to say one word
Before creation comes destruction
*HAKAI*
Yeah beast can easily be beaten by black frieza
Nah
All assumption just for him to get destroyed by gohan
Bro said if you can't beat a monkey you must become the monkey.😂
No, just wait until Gogeta/ultra ego ultra instinct gets born d then black frieza definitely can’t beat them
Hot take:I hope frieza doesn’t get erased and if he does I how he manages to come back some how because he is such a cool villain
Nah i hope vegeta gets his one's and kill's him using hakai as payback for the monke race
@@hhxte3185 yea but then the best villain in db will be gone I feel vegeta will want to kill him but will probably get stopped and/or back out on doing it
@@Faithfulfilled1 cooler's better
Thus this far yes but since there is 4 or 6 new universes brought back from being erased there will be new threats far worse than frieza after all they was erased for a reason. It would be cool to yamoshi or how ever you say the first original saiyan who apparently invented ui and the angels stole this technique from the saiyans
@@Kymopika well the way you are making it seem is that goku and frieza are the same just one is good and the other is not
Broly would wreck Frieza and Jiren would also beat up Frieza because Black Frieza is nearly equivalent to God Of destruction level but Jiren is already stronger than that during the tournament of power before he broke his limit
Let me clear things up, Toriyama said Beast Gohan was the strongest transformation we seen yet, BUT LISTEN.
Beast Gohan was released on
August 19th 2022, and the Granola arc was finished on, guess what? August 23rd 2022., the same chapter where Black Frieza was introduced. To say Black Frieza was a shock and surprise was their exact plan
Yeah but in universe beast gohan comes after black Frieza chronology so it still applies and he doesn't contradict himself.
@@Meetwad"Toriyama doesn't contradict himself"
Also Toriyama: "Says SSG Goku is a 7 and Beerus is 10" then proceeds to make Beerus dogwalk SSB Vegeta in the manga
@@averyb4250 toriyama has alzheimer or what
@@averyb4250 He only really said that for the movie BoG and that was before DBS was even a actual manga. Although Toriyama did forget SSJ3 and people like Launch so he’s not the most reliable.
Not to mention he was talking about anime forms. Not manga.
Beerus has some form of ultra instinct it’s not completely perfected to the level of Whis but it is beyond goku.The truth is that Beerus could still easily dodge all of goku and Vegeta up until they start using ultra instinct and ultra ego. Even with that they are just beginning to learn the powers. For example goku just learnt TUI which means he’s still new to all its capabilities and Vegeta is just discovering ultra ego. Where as Beerus is a fully fledged god of destruction with complete mastery over the power and in addition he also uses ultra instinct in base when he dodges. Suggesting that he has complete control over mui at the very least and doesn’t need to transform. As for Freiza I’m pretty sure if Beerus combined the two powers he would defeat freiza with not much difficulty
That dokkan ost tho
It should have been Cooler. Black Freeza is so boring it's just golden Freeza but a different color.
I don't get how db fans can watch other creative anime these days and still get hyped over a form where the only difference is it's stronger than the one before. 😂
i think beast gohan is stronger simply because beast gohan vs cell max was stated to be the strongest battle so far (i cant remember where) and the movie takes place after black frieza
But black Frieza didn't really fight anymore in a battle. You can say beast Gohan and cell max surpass any battle goku and vegeta's had but black frieza has yet to really battle anymore.
Also, the movie does take place after the granola arc but we never seen black Frieza fight seriously and he still considered stronger than goku and vegeta even in super hero
@@simpgod2170gohan has a lot of potential isn’t beast gohan stronger then ultra ego and ultra instinct I’m pretty sure he is but gohan gets a new form every time he sees someone die so if goku, piccolo or vegeta die than he well most likely unlock a new form and kill frieza for good
@@simpgod2170 But it is true it takes place after Black Frieza, simply going off the logic Toriyama wanted to make a movie that is obscenely ahead of Super for some reason.
Still wish they had a more unique way of Gohan obtaining the form. Copy-paste SS2 scene choreography was a bit lazy.
@@TufmoonUltra Beast
I think he'll try and take beerus throne as the God of destruction and he will either win and be the final villain of dbs or beerus will humble him giving goku and vegeta higher heights to reach.
Not gon lie frieza will be surpassed again
10 years of training is a LOT for frieza. With just a few months he rivaled ssj blue. Theres no way hes not beerus level if his prgression didnt plateau. I can't wait for the manga to come back
Hes not beerus level, not even the weakest GoD
@@gargamella69 My guy, Jiren was stronger than his god of destruction. Frieza is way stronger than jiren now.
The problem with scaling Black Frieza is a fact EVERYONE overlooks: Frieza didn't one shot them at THEIR full power, they were HEAVILY exausted
They were healed by monaito
They got healed. :^)
@@Idk-nf6sc How the hell did I miss that, my bad xD
@@TyshaggyGaming nah you good😂
Here's somethin else.
In the resurrection "F" arc, it's shown that although Frieza's new golden form is super powerful,
His form drains energy extremely quickly, allowing Vegeta to swoop in and defeat Frieza in his Blue form.
This may be the same for Freiza-Black! If they can somehow survive his onslaught, they can win by exhausting Frieza out of his Black form.
Black frieza is x4 stronger than Beerus Full power (Hakai Ki)
It's canon
I'm still of the opinion that we need Raditz, and Nappa revived and boosted in power, I would love to see a reunion between the Saiyans.
I disagree 😒😒 cause Wikipedia says true ultra instinct is slightly stronger than black Frieza
Beast Gohan finna make Frieza his new color changing pet lizard
Beasthan can’t do shit to black frieza we all know the black frieza arc is after the super superhero events so why don’t they just make gohan help them fight right then and there cause gohan can’t do shit to him
If Gohan faught there would have been a new story like black frieza one shoted ui goku ue vegeta and beast Gohan
@@LordKaisan honestly I didn’t know that arc was after dbssh but I kinda agree
@Riley Slack casual db fans making stuff up because they aren't given anything beyond a surface level depth
@Riley Slack No, Orange Piccolo is.
I just can’t with this beast bs there’s just no way he got that strong from that bogus ahh villain in that bs ahh movie😂
Im guessing Black Frieza is "God Killer" form, something he created to help him overthrow the gods, this form might be a threat for even Beerus, or at least I hope it is.
Yeah I agree why would he train a little just to defeat goku and vegeta he wants to defeat every strong opponent to exist he would surpass beerus also so no one in the universe will have dare to challenge him.
He knows that beerus is strong so why don't just surpass him and become the new God of destruction and there will be no strong opponent to challenge him.
Not right away but yes
Except then Beerus is gonna beat the crap outta Frieza
@@annanmunir6779 I mean , all you have to do is kill supreme Kai 🤷🏽♂️
Nah, Jiren trained very hard after his defeat. He will make big come back.
At the end of the Granola arc.
It said either Frieza was the strongest mortal, or someone else became it.
And guess whos a mortal who just got a new form? Gohan.
Yeah and goku and vegeta now want beast help bcz they were no match for frieza
Yes they technically hint us who can beat this threat but people cant understand
i think that black frieza is slightly weaker then he appears, considering that goku and vegeta were in a fight already
Beast gets negged beerus negs
And we all thought frieza was racist this whole time. Turns out it was all self hatred in the end😂
Jiren>> beerus, goku>>>jiren, black freezer >>> goku… black freezer >>>> beerus and also goku win vs beast gohan so black freezer >>>> gohan because gohan is less strongher than goku
Finally someone with brain. Im having stroke reading all this Beerus fanboy made up power level like Beerus has a hidden form or whatever.
Black Frieza is what happens when the writters have 0 imagination to create a new villain.
This. Time to move on from him
No, he has the ultimate power
He has the pass now
Nothing can stop him
Id say hes around the power level of bill cosby and michael jackson
Goku>gohan
Akira Toriyama said Beast Gohan surpassed Goku and Vegeta
@@_Yombo smoking on that yombo6528 pack 🚬🗿
@@_Yombo I hope you also know it’s not just about raw strength
@@corrolio Bros going against the creator 💀
Irrelevant to the video and wrong
If toriyama statement about gohan is currently the strongest z fighter was right, I assume frieza is gohan level but slightly above. But he wont be at beerus level
Strong enough to gain the N-Word Pass.
The thing is frieza isnt exactly stronger than TUI or UE because goku and vegeta were heavily fatigued.
Hasn't all of dbz been a bunch of ass pull transformations since Buu arc? I mean everyone gets a new form 1 by 1 for sale. finish an arc just make another tournament. The story writes itself but it's all pure trash
Beast Gohan over every other mortal until proven otherwise. I'll believe Toriyama's statement of Gohan being the strongest as of superhero over any theory or speculation of Black Frieza bring stronger
The movie does take place after the first appearance of black frieza
nah toriyama said that beast gohan is the strongest form yet but he didn't said that gohan is the strongest he means that beast gohan can be perfected and if gohan perfect it he can be the strongest and as much as we know frieza can go from ssj level to ssj blue level in only 6 months of training and this time he did 10 years of training and if we see gohan as before when he first fight cell the power level between other z warriors and gohan wqas crazy but it didn't take them long to surpass ssj2 teen gohan
@@Master_op069 Akira Toriyama states that Gohan is the strongest Saiyan as of the Super Hero Movie, which does canonically take place after the Granolah Saga.
@@Kymopika yeah but he's the strongest sayian not the strongest mortal
@@Master_op069 Yeah, as in he was only comparing Gohan to all of the saiyans right then
I can tell you this, he hasn't caught up to Beerus yet. Beerus is still stronger by as much as another new Frieza transformation.
Im done with fking frieze at this point tbh
Fair
*frieza
And you’re just gonna have to deal with it cuz at this point we’ll have him for another arc at least
I want beast finish him same gohan says at tournament of power i will end you and then the end for frieza
And that makes sense
Gohan first person to beat up frieza in namak
And heis the one that finish him off
do not let bro cook@@User_Call_Wrestle
I think he can beat Beerus but not Broly, Brody can surpass the gods within 3 arcs
Seeing how Vegeta has unlocked mastered ultra ego at the moment he's beating down cooler and Frieza rn lol
When did he do that?
SSB Universal Goku (SDBH) >> Black Frieza though
BRUH WHEN YOU WILL LEARN THAT BEAST GOHAN IS UNDER MUI
He isn’t… beast gohan is wayyy into the future of when Mui was last introduced. Piccolo even stated he has the potential to become the strongest being on earth
@@Yurei.69 and you think Goku doesn't get stronger at that time? What do you think he's power level will stay the same over the years?
@@kenshi.. Well it been stated that Vegeta and Goku's bodies are at their physical limits.
@@vegeta6555 bro when was this stated😭and even if it was, how many times has that been stated and then they got a new asspull form or power up? Be real
Strong enough to be white and unlock the N-word pass without anyones permission or help.
Goku in mastered UI is stronger than Beerus. Whis says in Super, that not even the Beerus has master ultra instinct. So if Frieza can beat Goku MUI, than Beerus doesn’t stand a chance.
What is that logic 💀
Yea Beerus hasn’t mastered ui but he’s mastered ue and with the two combined no one’s touching him
His power level is 20 septillion while ultra instinct and ultra ego is around 13 septillion
So lowballed, he one shotted them both in same time, he is at very least twice as strong as both combined.
He's like 1 million times stronger.@@shadowspringtrap3122
If he one shots both Goku and Vegeta Goku and Vegeta power level alone. T.u.i is 19 septillion/Ultra ego current 15 septillion HIs power level might be close to rivaling Beerus but there no confirming info at the moment so black Frieza power level is around 30.6 septillion
Akira toriyama already stated that Gohan is the strongest in the franchise!
Beerus strength is a sticky one, he was watching Moro's encounter with Goku and Vegeta, and was about to stop Moro himself. Which I assume he could have with ease suggesting he is stronger than Broly, Goku and Vegeta at the time. Yet, in the ToP, Jiren was stronger than his own God of Destruction who was seen as the 2nd strongest God of Destruction. Either Beerus is soooo much stronger than the other Destroyers or they changed his strength level everytime they find a new opponent
Frieza Trained For 10 Years Which Ended Up Giving Him The Ressurection F Power Up 30x with the Black Form On Top Of That. So Technically Current 1st Form Frieza Would Easily Beat Goku and Vegeta in their strongest forms. Gohan (Beast) is not beating Frieza, I don't even know why it's even a debate.
He is stronger than beast Gohan but probably not at Beerus level just yet
Well we haven’t seen beast gohan go all out against anyone he killed cell max with just one attack but then again we haven’t seen beerus go all out even when he was fighting 11 gods he still didn’t go full power so it would be nice to see his full power but we will just have to wait and see if it happens in the anime or is it gonna be in the manga
Beast Gohan is not powerful as MUI and Ego btw
Beast Gohan only did one attack so we can’t say he’s stronger than anyone
I am thinking about what will be the new plot story in db after this frieza saga
Its obviously he could solo granolah. ( sorry if spelled wrong ) granolah only has 3 years for a deal to be the strongest. 3 YEARS! Gas uses his molecules or smh to be strong which only made him have longer chances to die by age
He not beatin beerus idc, I wanna see dis for myself no fan animation
The greatest villain 😮😮😮😮😮😮