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I’m pretty sure Apples marketing department can swing this to make us believe that Apple now have made USB-C good enough to have a place on the iPhone.
You have a great user handle and drawing of a bear. It’s fantastic.
Sounds just like apple
What do you mean 'apple have made USB-C good enough'? Apple did not make USB-C? They just built in into their devices?
@@MaxRypert I know. What I meant was that instead of saying “here’s the new iPhone with USB-C because of regulations” they will market it as if they came up with the idea themselves and that it’s the best thing ever. Marketing tricks to make something look and sound better than it actually is :)
Apple actually created USB-C, and opened it up in 2014.
This video is going to either age incredibly well, or terribly
So is the one from mkbhd lol
@@HearMeLearn not really he just said that it would be unfortunate that apple could go that way and that if in the end apple made a USB-c it would be great for him
In really short terms, it probably age well but long term? Probably not
Drew clearly only thought about USB-C on phones and also not really long term.
80gbps and 240W may be nice and super fast on phones and NOW but that doesn't mean anything. In 10 or 20 years those speeds are probably laughable. Just think about 20 years ago. 480mbps with USB2.0 was high-end and SUPER fast. And now those speeds are a bad joke and people make fun of it.
But with this law, all companies are forced to use USB-C and won't develop a new, much better port like USB-D or whatever.
@Farb S yeah in theory 🙄 in practice, this stuff takes YEARS. And the results are open. Which changes nothing about the fact that no one will develop a newer, better port because they would have to wait YEARS for an updated law and can't even be sure if it will be changed.
And who says that USB-C (the port/connector) is perfect and will never need a physical update? I have huge doubts that the port design will have limits at some point.
@@Raja995mh33
USB A was the default for what, 25 years? With 3 major backwards compatible upgrades? I don't think we'll have to be worried about USB C till 2035.
I think what Apple really should have done was switch to USB Type C on the iPhone X and all other accessories at the time. That would have significantly reduced lighting e-waste.
It’s too late now. There no time travel.
@@michaelhall9146 I know, but better late than never.
They should have up-sold USB-C on the iPhone 13 Pro when they started supporting Pro-Res. There's a missed opportunity there.
I can't speak for everyone but I definitely would have tried a IPhone if it was USB C.
I use pro res all the time and have had no issues. I don’t know that I’ve ever used the port to transfer data lol it just magically shows up on my Mac when I need it
It’s too late now. Here’s hoping it’s added this year. I don’t care for transferring stuff, it would just be nice to have it since my MacBook Pro and iPad Pro have USB-C.
Apple can’t release a portless iPhone just yet because there are still new car models being released with only wired Apple CarPlay. Which is a big no no in the Apple ecosystem. This is what I commented in MKBHD’s video. That’s why I think the next iPhone won’t be portless, but more than likely USBC. I think what they will do though is cap data transfer in the regular models, while the pro models will be fast USBC data transfer.
Like the 10th gen iPad has much slower data rate than the others
@@BlizzardWind99 yup. I see them doing the same with the iPhones. Gotta leave the good stuff to the pros lol.
I am not saying they will or they won't, but there is a small number of cars that use wired carplay anymore, even the cheap ones are wireless. Those people that have wired carplay just won''t be considered. If there is enough people complaining, they will just make a dongle. I don't think this will create a hindrance in Apple's decision making at all.
@@Ghettofinger dongles won’t fix the CarPlay functionality in those vehicles lol. A wire needs to be plugged into those cars in order for apple CarPlay to work. Either apple enforces wireless all the way to those still releasing new models with wired Apple CarPlay or they can’t release a portless iPhone yet.
@@riickyworld1 or they relase a dongle that adds wireless car play for those cars (by plugging into the port where the iPhone would plug in otherwise)
The cable law is to be revisited every 5 years. If some sort of magic innovation happens in the 'cable that plugs into my device' space then that new cable would be adopted
How would you know which innovation is the future?
@@privateisthegaypenguin9164 It would be incredibly obvious. It's should be embarassing that you even have to ask. It's a cable, it's reversible, it charges up to 240w, ot transfers up to 80gbps. The next cable will have these intense new innovations!
-It's a cable
-It's reversible
-Supports more than 240w
-Supports more than 80gbps
Itterative design, standardisation, as well as backwards compatibility, could make this the last physical data transfer form factor, so if they word it precisely enough then revisiting the law every 5 years shouldn't really be necessarry
@@demolicous just like how usb b took off right?
@@demolicous what I’m saying is just because a cable is “better” on paper doesn’t always actually make it better for the general public, and allowing our extremely out of touch governments to make that call seems dumb… I’m still happy that apple will be ditching lightning, just think they could’ve come up with a better solution to enforce this
I'm siding with knowing Tailosive's video will age very well. Everyone dissed and talked about how dumb the notch was but Tailosive was the only one who made sense of it lol and he ended being right about it's success!
Who asked?
@@bigbirdsmurderer4168 who asked you to ask about who’s asking?
The notch isn’t a success, maybe for you apple fanboys but everyone else hates it
@@Anytbing_lol I disagree most people don't care those who hate it are a way smaller percentage, maybe now that phones are moving away from it yea but during the notch days I don't think most people cared
@@jonathanb.1215 Samsung, LG, huawei and other Android phones have moved from the notch long time ago and yes just because it was on a lot of phones doesn’t mean everyone liked it the main complain was the fact that a camera covers the screen making you unable to get the full picture.
You have a good point! I as a consumer would totally buy an older version or keep my phone in order to keep having the option of wired charging, especially since my car only supports wired CarPlay.
You can buy a wireless dongle less than 50 aud plug it into the usb slot and when paired to iPhone it will trigger CarPlay to start
I’m glad you mentioned CarPlay because that was one thing I haven’t heard other people mention. I don’t know the ration of wired to wireless CarPlay cars but it would definitely cut off a bunch of users
Well on that last part, MKBHD missed mark completely. I agree with you Drew. USBC has long future inside mobile market. Even if we arrive at the moment when better connector is needed (e.g. USBD) there is absolutely nothing that will prevent its adoption: 1. EU legislation doesn't prevent creating/testing new connectors for the purposes of R&D, so in labs you can very much test something better for the future. 2. Legislation is not set in stone. If we get USBD which will transfer 1TB/s of data, 16K video res and 500W of charge inside one simple cable, nobody will stay in its way if its an open standard like USBC.
I do hope Apple won't go port less. Its retarded idea considering they market it as a recording device. Its ludicrous now with Lighting, basically you're forced into Cloud storage like Mega, Dropbox etc to transfer data, but what's the point of using Cloud-transfer bridge when you want to copy file locally? It doesn't make any sense to go port less for most people. Especially if iPhone is the only Apple device you poses.
As for Apple whining that they are forced blah, blah. They shot themselves in the legs and arms and basically any other organ many years ago. When USBC was new and locked behind royalties. They had a rather long period when they could lead the charge (pun very much intended) of USBC to the market, but they did what Apple always do. Walled garden, delay, milk $, repeat. Fortunately that $hit is coming to an end. No more Lighting is at hand.
I find it funny to argue against standardized charging port, when the outlets in our houses have to be standardized.
Except that standard is not set by a law, it is set by a standard organization separate from the government and therefor if they wanted to change the standard they don't need an act of congress to do so.
Fully agree MKBHD is the 🐐. But sir, you too are one of my favorites. Love both your channels and I pull inspiration from both of you for my own
Mkbhd is the most overrated tech RUclipsr there is
@@JackTheBlack1585
Yeah. He's basically every hipster cliche turned into a human being.
@@JackTheBlack1585 his problem is that he is American. He his too biased
Bought an earbud after watching his favorable review on the product. It sucked and totally worthless now. Never going to watch him again.
Personally I’d rather have usbc over portless even though I do see better water resistance but I normally don’t use my phone near water so I’d take usbc any day for less cables
I actually watched both Dave2D and MKBHD's waveform podcast as well where they talked about the portless iPhone and I just couldn't believe they said what they said. Usually they're pretty good about their arguments. But hey no one's perfect. I think Jos' initial answer is why people they think they're gonna go all "Apple" about it and remove the port so that they don't have to comply with the EU laws, but all Jos did was give a classic Apple evasive answer, tell a long story and at the end kind of address the question.
I like Dave 2D . Very underrated guy.
Watching both of their videos I was kind of just shocked. They were just off.
Yeah honestly any of the arguments that both said makes any sense, I got the feeling that they’re just saying the opposite of the common belief to make themselves appear smarter, the worst thing is that some people took their word as law and now they’re repeating the same thing over and over again.
Now I just wish Apple really makes the switch so they end up swallowing their words lol.
In mkbhds waveform podcast Marques said they won’t go portless, but rather go usb c. So idk what you’re talking about.
Well to be fair he was evasive of the question, which was will Apple switch to USB c on the next iPhone
Great points! One thing about the law though - the EU law is not directly aimed at Apple per se. There's a lot of accessories on the market right now that charge with USB-Micro B, USB-Mini, or other connectors, which is nuts in 2022/2023. Standardizing all of those to USB-C is a big win for customers!
iPhone is by far the biggest item on that list, it's primarily targeted at them
It’s a generalized ruling in name only. It was clearly aimed at Apple.
HDMI is on that list? why having HDMI makes any sense?
Mini-USB? In 2022? Where?
@@Convention_De_Geneve Yeti Blue Microphone.
I'm pretty sure you're correct. iPhone going portless would break so many cars with wired CarPlay. Customers would be way more upset going portless than going USBC.
I’ve been hopefully about this. Apple would then have to create a good wireless adapter for CarPlay…
I was going to counter the argument about more lightning cables in the world, then I looked at my home, and yes, more lightning than USB C cables. Although, more Micro USB than lightning cables 🤔 be that as it may, it just irks me that Apple throws that e-waste card all over the place. I wish they were more transparent about simply removing the chargers to make shipping more cost effective, instead of providing arguments that assume all of their consumers are dumb ass derps.
Complaining about e-waste while having yet to make long lasting cords.
I also think that a usb cable normally breaks before the smartphone, I have never had a cable that lasted longer than the product that charges and also most of people won’t change everything that year so even though you switch the phone maybe you have the older AirPods or viceversa or an older iPad or you already have a newer ipad that uses type c so you already have both cables. So I don’t think that e-waste is a problem and giving you 2 years to comply also gives you time to stop production of old cables and finish most of storage inventory so you don’t trow them in the bin
@@bolttracks bingo. Lightning cables break so easily and quickly, I’d hate to think how much money I’ve spent on new cables.
really glad you made this video. that entire Waveform convo about this was soooo strange. Love MKBHD!!! But I can’t help but feel he’s waaaaay off with his iphone x subcommittee perspective.
Yeah, your point about the cable in relation to factory reset is a strong one. When there is a bootloop or soft brick, which happens a lot to most people, you will need to connect the phone through a cable to flash a firmware. I dont think that can be done wirelessly. I remember raising this same point on Marques’ video
one crazy thing is that qi charging (the base for wireless charging including mag safe) does have a data transfer standard so if apple either teams up or makes their own data transfer protocol then the cable would be obsolete because you could charge and transfer data which is really all lightning does
edit: most qi chargers do not currently support data transfer but it is possible especially if apple wanted to go with that path
MagSafe it’s just a cable with a magnetic connector on the end, so why going to extreme lengths to make “wireless” on par with a regular connector when you already have a perfectly functioning connector in the first place?
Also, have you seen the prices of MagSafe cables? And considered how many more resources are going to make each of those giant pucks full of magnets and copper coils? Energy waste while using them? Just why?
So basically, if Apple goes this route, you’d have another proprietary standard that’s just lightning 2.0 but worse. Worse in that, instead of just plugging in a cable, you take another cable with a huge disc attached to it in order to slap it onto the back of your phone, to essentially serve the same purpose. Except it’s equally as inconvenient as it’s just another cable in the litany of cables that people would still have to carry around within the Apple ecosystem. It’s ridiculous but a very Apple thing to do. And the fanboys will praise it as usual…
your comment reminds me of "this is the future" while everybody actually lives in the present and "future" today just means everything is incompatible with your device
And now you have a MagSafe puck that communicates with NFC and how much do you charge for it? $200? Who’s gonna buy that over a $15 USB-C cable? It would severely hurt marketing sales. It’s nonsense.
@Carl Gunderson it wouldn’t make sense to add data communication through a MagSafe Puck anyways. I was already claiming that it would be nonsense.
I just love the vibrancy of your videos! I think you’re hilarious! Keep up the good work!
A well-reasoned video, points cogently made; nice work👍
If Apple switched to USB C for iPhone it would irritate and excite lots of people. I would mostly be annoyed because I’d have to switch out all my cables I have for my iPhone. I’d still be able to use them with my iPad though. Unless the Lightning to USB C port was sufficient.
They won’t release a portless iPhone because how would you recover the software on an iPhone that has a bootloop or has corrupted software or doesn’t turn on properly and stays on the debug mode?
You need a computer for it and there is no portless data transfer patent for doing those things.
thank you for bringing up that apple helped make the USB-C connector, Apple will replace all ports on their macbooks with type-c but not put the same port on the iphone that creates video/image files that are several dozen gigabytes in size. Hell USB-4 spec is the old thunderbolt 3 spec that intel allowed for other companies to use in their products. The M1 ipad pros use USB-4 and it is lovely. They could even allow the pro iphones to dip into ipad pro features a bit.
If their entry level iPad went to USB’s then why not phones , I believe they will go to usbc
Either explanation is compatible with the response.
As I see it, the main issue with a MagSafe-only iPhone is case compatibility.
And the lack of quick file transfer. Although it isn't great over Lightning anyway...
not even an issue, most good phone case companies sell their cases with magsafe compatibility or a version that does that
@@armaan1786 maybe not an issue for you or me, but there are a lot of iPhone cases that are not MagSafe compatible
That’s the main issue really? How about an iOS update messing up your phone, instead of plugging it in and restoring it yourself you’ll have to either take it to apple or have it shipped for them to restore and fix it. Sounds so green and eco friendly not to mention convenient for the user.
@@egauci1 do you transfer phone cases from generation? they don't work like that. if you search up "iphone 15 phone case", they arent gonna come up without magsafe function.
very well-made video and actually has proper topics.
I like MKBHD, but I love your channel b/c you always make sense to me. Thx for the great content! 👍🏻
I totally agree with the points that you make.
Liking this video as soon i watched the intro, it was great
BTW Marquez should have mentioned that Apple missed all other soft law agreements and screwed over all manufacturers... to comply with the charger unification process that started more than a decade ago.
To be honest MKBHD and Dave2D only said it's a possibility that Apple might go portless in 2024 and gave arguments why it's possible. They didn't confirm portless iPhone.
nobody said they confirmed anything. it’s just challenging their hypothesis
great video, really informative
Man I was convenced by watching MKBHD's video that portless is what apple gonna do , but you have made even better points.
the E-waste argument in one that’s eventually inevitable , let Apple not worry too much about old cables at least, I for instance will be using those cables to tie rugs off when not used in the summer
Well Drew. You were right👍
“I have no idea what you’re talking about.” Will never get old. 🤣
I think if Apple went fully portless, I think a magsafe to lighting adapter can be done. they have 3 years to try to improve the tech. and plus you can transfer data by NFC so that adapter just have to support NFC and then it would go through lighting.
NFC is not designed to handle large amounts of data, they’d have to make another version of NFC to handle bigger amounts of data, which is exactly the type of fragmentation the EU law tries to kill. But yeah, lightning to MagSafe power cable is easy.
Edit: just to clarify, making another version of NFC that’d likely be proprietary and usable in a very niche use case.
I knew this video was coming and i'm here for it
I mostly agree with you, but I feel that Apple will do a sneaky move and put USB-C 2.0, like the iPad 10. It would solve the universal charging cable, but data transfer speeds would be incredibly slow, and they wouldn't put an adapter.
Still better than what they have now, data transfer speeds are already incredibly slow. Would be nice if they at least used the universal port tho
With the iPhone 7, Apple included a headphone jack adapter due to the removal of the jack. So I don't why they can't include the adapter, plus it'll be good pr.
this aged like cow milk
@@AnonN-sr6uuTechnically, the regular 15 got USB 2.0, so I was half-right
Brilliant video. Felt the same when I heard mkbhd’s thoughts. I hope apple adopts an approach similar to what you state here.
Totally agree with this video. When I watched the MKBHD video I also had a feeling that "portless iphone" will not happen as soon as it is believed and that apple will have to comply with usb c measures way before that happens. I admire MKBHD a lot and I consume all his content, but for a couple of years now he has this idea that in the future the iPhone will not have ports and I think that, in some way, he wants to convince himself that it will be so and that is why he oriented the usb c video that way. And I'm pretty sure there will be a portless iphone eventually, but by 2024? magsafe would have to improve radically with charging and also data transfer speeds, plus all the external accesories.
Some people argue that usb-c ports are more fragile, because it’s a male-female port. Lightning is a true female port, which is basically impossible to break. Furthermore, lightning “snaps in” whereas usb-c purely relies on friction for the cable not to slip out. For a device you charge every day and possibly move around while charging, this could damage the port over time or at least causing the cable to slip out unintentionally after some time. I didn’t find statistics about that. Only that usb c is supposed to last 10,000 plug-in and out cycles (probably in laboratory conditions), which would be 30 years on daily charging. Yet “my usb c port is broken” shows much more google results than “my lightning port is broken”.
Finally, someone with sense. I watched MBKHDs vid on the subject and was just confused. Apple has already gone USB C with tablets and Mac's, plus a portless phone sounds terribly inconvenient for travel. It just doesn't make sense to me for them to go that route.
1:11 Same here. I was subscribed to him since 2016. And watched you since 2017.
Ok, this is legit a fantastic point… gotta have some sort of service port for restoration, and debug
Unrelated question but how old were you when your beard started to become full?
Brooo , I agree more with your point than with the marque's one
I agree with Marquez especially on the e waist thing they should have been usb-c
Really wish people could cover the reasons why we professional filmmakers need a USB-C port on an iPhone. Being forced to use a wireless standard to transfer our footage is problematic in more ways than one. Why can't Apple just use Thunderbolt as their replacement for Lightning? They own the copyright to both and can still charge slightly extra for the cables. Just bump the bandwidth to where we don't have to fiddle around with transferring a 4K piece of footage for 10 minutes at a time.
Dude, thank you. I generally agree with everything MKBHD has to say about tech. But his points on his USB-C video rubbed me the wrong way. To the point of "let the engineers figure this out", Apple's insistent on a proprietary port isn't because it's a better technology but because it is more profitable.
Also, your last point is spot on. I have earbuds, over the ear headphones, keyboards and a vape that all charge via USB C. If they brought that standard to the iPhone I would actually consider buying one for once.
I have a feeling apple will come with a EU version of the iphone with type c port and calibrate it slow to lightning. Apple already does this with sim card slots, 2 sim slots for japan, 1physical sim slot and 1 e sim for India and, 2 e sims for the US.
This is the best video I’ve seen about this topic
Great video!! I like your refutation to MKBHD’s points.
Nailed the Craig Federighi impression, well done. And i agree MKBHD is by far the best Tech Tuber, i love his videos even if i dont always agree with him, but differing opinions are a great thing.
I wish the USB C cables, and corresponding adaptors had a standard way of of expressing the abilities on the product intake
MKBD made a video on this topic too
I have a lighting to USB C adaptor, but it only transfers power. Cheaper less capably USB C cables will be used for setups the require more, but you can’t know unless you keep track of the cord from its original packaging or figure out a way to test it
From what I remember MKBHD made it clear what/how the interviewer asked.
No they are not going to change the law, they will sue Apple and prevent them from selling that iPhone in the EU.
The spirit of the law is to standardize charging, Apple can't go around it.
Apple PR at the end of the video:
WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
Additionally, 200W charging for phones is insane, even if we factor in potential new battery technologies. Because higher charging power requires either higher voltage or higher current, and especially higher current would require bulkier connectors, which isn't a trend I realistically see happening. Higher voltage is a bit more hit and miss, because the limiting factor there would be the distance between the pins to avoid them shorting out. The headroom there, even with USB-C as a connector is much higher.
And we aren't even talking about what those high charging currents/speeds do to current batteries, or that it simply just isn't needed. Currently phone batteries fall somewhere inside a 10-20Wh hour range. Meaning, even bigger batteries can be charged with 20W charging in about an hour (minus charging efficiency). If we very generously double, or even tripple current battery capacity, while trying to keep the same charging times, we would end up requiring 60W chargers. Which is something USB-C can easily provide already.
Considering phone SoCs have become more and more power efficient, a trend that very likely is to continue, you'd easily get multiple days, maybe a week of use with this hypothetical battery technology, furthermore reducing the necessity for 100+W fast charging. Not to speak of how much you probably are degrading your batteries with extremely high charging rates, making those rather gimmicky.
And we haven't even reached the data transfer speed argument. Currently, even many USB-C phones still only use USB 2.0 speeds for their data interface. Current USB-3 standards provide orders of magnitude faster data transfer rates, and considering how much the speeds you can achieve over USB-C have already improved since its introduction there is no reason to assume we are about to reach the upper limit of what can be transferred over the connector in the close future.
I just don't see a world where 5 years down the line USB-C becomes a bottleneck for phones, given how long we've been stuck by 2.5-5W charging, USB 2.0 speeds, and the basic physical limitations of battery technology and necessity to move huge amounts of data off of your phone.
I the go portless then we will still have e-waste since the old cables WILL BE COMPLETELY USELESS
I use one c cable for all my devices. If they're not going USB c they'll miss my money.
I don’t think it’s an issue of whether they should be forced to use USB-C. USB-C is a type of port, they’re basically saying “put a pill shaped hole in the bottom.”
No, the real concern is that there’s no stipulations about the TYPES of cables that have a USB-C male plugs on them. You’ve got basic charging cables all the way up to thunderbolt cables.
Apple can still create their own cable format, call it “lightning port pro” or some shit with a USB-C prong on it, and make it so that if you don’t use the Apple certified cable you lose out on some features of the next iPhone because they program the software on the device to require their specific cable.
So I have a lot of thoughts. First off the EUs regulation is specifically for charge cables and the port used for the cable. Not every device has a charge cable even currently so it doesn’t make sense to force a device with no charge cable to start using one. Maybe devices might just have pins that align with a dock. They can’t force the Apple Watch or other smart watches to use usb c obviously. The point I’m trying to make is that if Apple does make a port less iPhone with no charge port, then the EU doesn’t have anything to force or complain about. As far as forcing wireless charging/MagSafe not being more environmentally friendly, this absolutely has not stopped Apple before. There were many people talking about the details around this a year ago when manufacturers stopped shipping phones with charge bricks. Apples’ changes here were specifically blatant and terrible because unless you bought the previous iPhone, your charge brick was not even compatible with the cable that came in the box. That means many people buying a separate charge bricks that was shipped in its own individual box. Also the argument about some new cars(Hyundais mostly I believe) not having wireless CarPlay so Apple won’t remove the port, doesn’t really fit with previous Apple behavior imho. When has your older devices not working with the newest thing prevented Apple from making a change that they perceive is better and/or increases sales/profits? Probably never. Also Apple can just as easily offer a wireless CarPlay adapter just as they can offer a lightning to usb c adapter. “We’ll comply” is an extremely PR friendly response. They never had any option not to comply. Complying can mean following to the T, finding a workaround, or maybe just interpreting a regulation your own way and arguing that you are actually complying. Also Apples’ legal battles will never end, so even if the EU were to continue fighting Apple on this if a port less iPhone is released, I don’t thing that’s an immediate showstopper for Apple.
Also I do agree that usb c is a long term solution and won’t simply get replaced with the next thing some time soon. The connector itself supports many many different standards, usages, functions, etc.
Thank you! There is no other technology that Apple can turn to to bypass this law. USB-C is the step forward!
Yes and if you read the 11th bullet point of the law it says if a device can fit a port, it has to include it.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 if a device has a charging port, it must be type C.
And if it’s the case of “can fit a port” all that means is that apple needs to make the phone not have enough spare space inside for a port as opposed to having to make it thin enough to include one
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Again, wrong.
Going portless would not create more e-waste.
Over the years, I have had to buy dozens of new lightning cables as they wear out. A portless device will slowly reduce E-waste after years of adoption to a new portless designs.
This is why I love Drew and his podcast
Think about it. If there were gonna go portless, they wouldn’t have been so vocal about this law cause it wouldn’t have mattered. Also the law was essentially targeting Apple, and if they try to work around this, the EU probably won’t let that slide since that defeats the whole purpose of said law.
What I COULD see, if Apple wants to be stubborn, is an EU version with type c and lightning in other areas… I’ll be importing if that happens
Haven’t seen Tailosive in some years. You look great man like you lost some weight. Much love
What if Apple goes Portless in the US but USB-C everywhere else
The EU and individual countries have targeted Apple before, but when we had a real president, he fought back and promised high import taxes on wine and cheese that made Europe rethink their idea to regulate American products.
That wired CarPlay point is so valid
I think powerless would be a bad way to go unless Apple can get wireless charging speeds as fast as (or close to) quick charge wired speeds for iPhones. Yes I know Android wireless charging can be a lot faster, but I think this would be good enough for people to not complain about the speed.
But most importantly, I am not a fan of MagSafe charging because of how bulky the puck is. I can cram a lightning or usb C cable in my bag easier than the MagSafe puck.
Don’t get me wrong, I use the MagSafe Duo Charger at home and when traveling since it’s so small, but I have that lightning cable and a 30W brick I can plug my iPhone into if I need to fast charge my iPhone before going out for the night.
Lastly, the MagSafe puck is one more cable I need to bring with me. I can charge my 16” MacBook Pro and iPad pro with USB-C, my Apple Watch and AirPods Pro 2 with the Apple Watch charger. Why do we need to add a 3rd? I will still keep it around to charge my AirPods Max as well as other lightning devices more efficiently and quickly than wireless charging. But if we could move everything to USB-C and the Apple Watch Charger, that’s 1 fewer cable I need to take with me. And maybe one day, the Apple Watch can charge on a Qi charger.
Well to counter your first point. The context of the question is iphones but the wording itself was is apple moving to usb c. She quoted the law stating all consumers electronics including phones will need type c, but the question didnt straight say “will apple make usb c iphones?” So there’s absolute grey area in that question
I want a usb c iphone, i do believe apple will make one. I don’t believe that apple will settle at making usb c phone. They will make portless ones someday and the question is only how many yrs will usb c stick around for iphones.
Im predicting a type c iphone in ‘24 not in 23. And then maybe 2-3 yrs with type c before portless
Also on your point about one cable solution, if the magsafe puck had a type c port then it wouldnt matter. So say apple makes the iphone only charge via type c, if the magsafe puck had a type c port, then ppl could still use any usb c cable to charge a device be it apple or android, just apples wouldnt plug into the body of the phone.
Any thoughts on the “lossless” wireless tech they’re working on for the AirPods Pro being used to allow for faster data transfer on the iPhone? That sounds as about as Apple as Apple can get! Apple to Apple products get double or triple the transfer speed as comparable android or windows devices. Go thicker in the Pro phones to up the battery capacity and with 3nm solves a lot of the charging issues. Just thinking out loud….
It is faster than bluetooth, but doesn’t need to be as fast as wifi already is, so it is not relevant at all.
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Good points, I didn’t even realize wizards like mark gurman are saying a usb c iPhone is gonna happen, and I didn’t even think about how switching to usb c is actually better for e waste than portless. I think I disagree on your point about apples response during the interview, just bc it’s too hard to analyze and try to read the exact wording and context of the answer, so I’m on the fence with that one. And as for the “what if a better connector is invented?” Argument, the only thing I think could actually improve usb c is making it magnetic, other than that, yea there’s very little to improve on, especially when you consider thunderbolt 3/4
It’s interesting that In mkbhds waveform podcast, he pretty much said that he thinks they’ll NOT go portless and go usb c. Then in the follow up video he posted a few days after, he said after watching Dave 2ds video, he was persuaded effectively and thinks they would go portless. So either way you look at it, marques had both view points technically. As for me, I won’t be offering my insight unless you call me on my landline.
Your interpretation of what he said on waveform does not align with my interpretation.
@@techboy95 I don't know man, go back and watch the last few minutes of the wvfrm clip, he pretty much is set on a usbc iphone and doesn't think they'll go portless.
Nailed it with that rant!
Given the massive file sizes when recording in ProRes clips and ProRaw pics, it would make sense to transition to USB-C and hopefully Thunderbolt 3 or 4.
I bet it was Apple’s lobbying that adding that contingency so that Apple would be free to pick their own path
you actually changed my mind
What if the next port was called lightning but used the usb-c connector the same way thunderbolt did on the Mac?
I do not think Apple or any company cares about wast however what gets missed is the moment the new iPhone is using usb c not every lightning cable or accessory will go in the trash here is an example I just ordered a new iPhone 14 promax I plan to have it for two or three years during that time will be using lightning cables and accessories. A lot of people do this kind of thing which means lightning accessories, and cables Will slowly enter the landfill. I do not think there will be a large influx of e-waste as soon as the iPhone switches to USB-C, but to be clear I think a switched to USB-C is a good thing
It's possible/likely that answer they gave in the WSJ interview was intentionally vague. But after it happened and the internet exploded with "OMG IPHONE IS FINALLY GETTING USB-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" does Apple really have it in their hearts to either dig their heels in and make us use Lightning for another year, or go portless? The people have been more than clear about what they want. If Apple can be bullied into changing the battery percentage indicator, we should be able to convince them to give the iPhone USB-C
coming from MKBHD's perspective and his analysis over Apple, i think Apple has the higher power in directing tech, and they have their vision into making the wireless future.
their recent play is to take a safe step with their standard lineup of iPhones, and take the more daring step with their pro models. saying that, i think they'll release both an USB-C iPhone, AND a portless iPhone (Pro ?), while ruling in USB-C to all other Apple products. up until Wireless Charging becomes the convenient way of doing it.
Apple's thinking is that "most people do their charging overnight", which won't clash with the usability issues. They never cared about fast charging anyway.
He is the greatest, however I like your opinions which made me favor Apple products and just honest with every feature good or bad at all times. Been watching you for like 5 years you guys on the list for me😎
was thinking this when he made the video
I think it's also worth mentioning that wired earphones are more environmentally friendly than Bluetooth earphones mostly because wired earphones don't have a battery. Wired headphones also tend to last longer, creating less e-waste.
Especially when it comes to Airpods, Airpods are not very environmentally friendly because they have a battery, a SoC, electronic circuit boards, and they don't last very long.
You know i think it all comes down to the 2012 iphone 5 keynote where we were told than lightning was the plug for the next decade which they went trouth with. So usb c it will be in 2023
It's not like everyone is gonna throw away their iPads and old iPhones the second they release a usbc iPhone.
One day the iPhone will go portless but now is not the time
I'd like to think this is true. All the music apps require some sort of port in order to output audio without any delay.
Markass missed the point that also headphones will be forced to use USB-C. Then there is the MFI license. Apple talks about environment but they can talk about 30pin cable.
apple's either going to
-take advantage of the EU's failure to specify a protocol for the connector to use and theyre gonna make some new proprietary apple exclusive usb-c protocol and put data transfer or power draw limits on all the unofficial cables
-only ship usb-c iphones to the EU market and leave lightning in for every other country
or
-combine the two above to make the EU customers buy new apple certified cables while allowing everyone else to keep using their already functional accessories
I think that the price bumps we are starting to see are yes, inflation, but another part to offset in advance the MFI program that will start to taper off with the death of iPhone. Also, MagSafe for iPhone will also offset this fiscal change through the MIFI program.
What do you thing Drew?
The EU directive has a 5 year timeline to get updated (usually around year 3, that's 2027, the debates will start in the EU Parliament over it), it doesn't require a new directive/law, it will get updated. Also it's called the Brussels effect for reason, Apple will have to comply worldwide but it's good to see Brasil and India going after Apple over the port.
I would love to see a USB-C iPhone as long as the USB-C port operates at 3.2 10GBPS speeds, or better yet using optical signal to transfer data over MagSafe.
I don’t think ANY government should be able to issue an edict to tell a company to do one thing over another. That needs to be up to the company to do what they want. If the issue isn’t a safety problem, the government needs to stay out of it. They are using a “green” argument to control an industry, what else is next?
I wonder what would happen if in 2024 when this EU Usb-C law goes into effect that Apple would quietly pull iPhones sold in the UK. What I think would happen is, iPhone sales overseas would skyrocket, people would buy them in other countries (America for one) and bring them back to the EU to use, not sell them there but for personal use. That would be interesting. What I don't understand about Apple is when I got the iPad Pro 4th Gen a few years ago it came with a Usb-C port, with a charger and power brick. Why couldn't Apple have changed the iPhone to Usb-C around that time? This EU law is specifically going after Apple, although the powers that are in charge there are not admitting it.
EU law applies in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. If you are Currys, Vodafone, etc, you are not going to want different SKUs in Northern Ireland to other parts of the UK.