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I suspect that if a North Korean submariner surrendered, his family would be put in mortal danger. The regime would take revenge on his family. Again, I suspect.
It's not unreasonable to assume, that only few most indoctrinated, dedicated and loyal NK sailors are choosen to man their subs. It is also possible that their families are threatened by the regime to prevent them trying to do any funny things with the equipment. Like in PPR (communist Poland) only singles were trained to man the bombers designated to deliver nuclear bombs shared by the USSR and stored in Poland. And I bet it wasnt the only condition...
鲨鱼shark 鲸鱼whale 鱿鱼squid If i were writing a DLAB exam i would then ask what is a 鱼 e.g. 4 pictures and then 4 symbols, match game. Currently DLAB doesn't test hanzi or cyrillic.
The green paint is to match the local water colour, have a look at the washed up sub, the colours are pretty close. But if you look at the subs in formation they seem to have gone to a darker green or blue.
Yugoslavia in the 1980's would sell weapons to anyone, they offered to sell T-72 tanks to Sweden in the 1980's But they did occupy a place sort of in between the east and west blocks which meant they had more access to western technology.
They certainly were a go between for customers on both sides of the Iron curtain but anyone could buy arms and ammo from them. They had a huge arms manufacturing capability. Until Princess Diana got involved with stopping mine use the U.K. had lined up purchasing the excellent TMRP-6 (fantastic AT mine) to supplement our Barmines. They had a lot of expertise in making mines of home design or copied from USSR. Many coups in various nations were conducted using their weapons. Tito also didn’t mind supplying to terrorist/freedom fighter groups often on opposing sides. Just good business. I liked their version of the Draganov SVD and the AP round, steel core with copper jacket. It went through a telegraph pole then a tree behind it and disappeared down range on a famil shoot lol.
To be fair, Sweden during the 70s 80s had a semi friendly relationship with the eastern block, We even bought some soviet tanks for testing but later scrapped the idea and used them for weapons demonstrations.
Regarding the suicide thing. I did hear about how on some soviet diesel boats (cant remember the class, probably a whisky or something like that) the Captain had the ability to lock himself in his cabin which featured two valves for flooding the rest of the sub with poison gas in case of mutiny or capture. Given the kind of country that NK is they would most likely equip their subs with this feature if posible. (although the crew doing it wilingly is definitely still an option) It is however a while since I heard of this so do take it with a grain of salt.
That's actually a myth - probably taken from the story of the K-27 which, in 1968, which suffered a rupture in one of its experimental nuclear reactors and spewed poisonous xenon and krypton gasses throughout the reactor compartment, which eventually killed 9 members of her crew due to radiation poisoning.
You should do a video about the NoKo sub sinking that South Korean corvette. There was some USN involvement in the after action forensics - retrieving the torpedo remnants etc
If you've not already seen it, the Movie "Northern Limit Line" produced by South Korea is well worth the time. Deals with surface defense boats, that monitor the Ocean border between the two Korea's.
In the 1970s, Yugoslavia was shipping supplies and weapons to the Khmer Rouge government (Democratic Kampuchea) through the port of Kompong Som, so, yeah, it makes sense that they would also supply North Korea with midget subs, since North Korea was a very close ally of Democratic Kampuchea.
@@maximmatusevich3971 They weren’t. North Korea supported Sihanouk in exile after the Khmer Rouge took power, and even built a palace for him and housed him for several years. They supported his efforts to take control of the country over the Khmer Rouge and opposed Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia in favor of his government taking power. In short, the DPRK hated Democratic Kampuchea, and instead supported Norodom Sihanouk’s government in exile even over socialist Vietnam, with whom the DPRK had a rivalry and tense relationship with that’s only started to improve in the last 3 years.
Check out the prop's made by Hyundai Heavy Industries in South Korea for the merchant ships , they have a secondary prop behind the main as it helps to keep the water flow attached to the base of the main prop and gives a big boost to efficiency in surface ships so will do the same on a sub meaning slower turning shaft and less noise
I think in a conflict these little subs would be quite dangerous, determined crews make the difference, small hugging the shore. American and Aussie training is for more open ocean sub work
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 the west is sensitive to casualties so if a couple of these little subs causes deaths then our political system will cause issues
FYI the Han river is the same river that goes through Seoul. The Han River near the SK/NK boarder and the sea are heavily guarded and fenced off. Also there are dams and anti submarine emplacements because of previous NK attempts to penetrate the river and parts of the coast line.
Concerning the crew that committed suicide, my first thought was that they might have feared the ramifications for their families if they had gotten captured. I’d believe in a heartbeat that they might be sent to a „camp“.
I think its more likely they feared getting captured and tortured at gitmo. The best propaganda is the kind that is true, and I doubt the North Korean government would not tell stories about what happens there to anyone that might risk getting captured.
That NorK Uboat that was entangled in the fishermans net was carriying special army units that were doing recon missions in South Korea. Apparently they killed the sailors and they executed themselves afterwards.
Im a surface sailor (BMC) but i love your videos. From the USS Thresher to the Seawolf class. They are all well done. I was stationed on Bangor as a mooring supervisor and dry dock support. (7-10 years ago) and because everyone was Sub Sailors ,Myself and 4 other BMs did all the change of commands and retirement ceramonies. ( USS Maine, USS Louisiana, USS Alabama, USS Henry M. Jackson, the USS Jimmy Carter, USS Michigan, USS Kentucky and two or three others whose name i cant remember. I was the honors BM for the 4,000 deterrent patrol ceremony. While there i developed a child like excitment and strong interest in submarines as whole. They had a remembrance cereramony for the USS Thresher and read into it the day before the ceramony. Your videos are great to listen to on long drives and make for interesting conversation. Keep it up!
So we need to design a sub designed to go super deep with a giant super powerful magnet. The subs entire job would be to hunt other subs, sneak up on them, attach to them with the magnet and pull them down below their test depth so they are crushed with no signs of being attacked. Other options would be to sneak up on them and put a massive fishing net on them and fowl up their propellors and capture them when they surface. I know technically it probably isnt feasible but I like to imagine its possible (ergo dont take this as a serious).
Something like that is a much more realistic explanation. Or to allow some control with a diver in the water (minimizing risk for injury). Having an inline secondary screw rotating in the same direction as the main screw would be insanely inefficient for propulsion. (I'm far from expert in this so I might be wrong though.)
The ROKN corvette was blown in two. It looks like about half the Nork sub fleet is cheaper than the torpedoes that would sink them. It would not be a bad thing if that GORAE had an accident... I subbed Sutton's channel as soon as I saw it, remembering that you use his page as a source.
Thanks Jive for this valuable information that keeps us knowledgeable and in the "Loop"...As far as we are allowed to be knowledgeable and in the "Loop", while not having tooo many federal agencies following us around like upset girlfriends!...😏😁🤣
In this brief you note that the GORAE has the SLBM in the sail - which probably accounts for the open 'hatch' you noticed in the photo of the recent skip-glide missile test. You had said that the 'hatch' in the sail should not have been open, but if that is where the missile launched out of, it makes sense for it still to be open when the sub surfaced immediately after the test firing?
The CSS Hunley could take down a Virginia-class boat if the difference in abilities of their prospective C.O.s were great. Our submarine C.O.s are some very intelligent people; there are none better. They practice daily at sea mental exercises that would make the average M.I.T. grad go into meltdown, and are motivated to a level that only their peer group can relate to. If you have read some of the novels of undersea warfare that deal with the information that a captain is processing during the period leading up to a battle, his thinking and actions to prepare the battlespace and then carry out the execution of his enemy, then you have an idea what I'm talking about. Those sub skippers are a rare breed, and it is they, every bit as much as the platforms and crews they command, that make a difference that the North Koreans will not duplicate in our lifetimes.
Probably very good. They are silent, have very skilled crews and captains and are overall the latest in submarine technology. The "Seehecht" (DM2A4) torpedo is also a very recent design. Now recent might not mean best as there is no actual combat experience with the thing (or the 212 for that matter, excluding maneuvers), but it should be better than copies of 80s soviet tech and whatever NK has cooked up since. The Diesel/Fuel Cell subs are also way quieter than nuclear subs used by the US who retired the last Diesel sub in 2011 IIRC and you can switch them off, but you cant stop a reactors coolant pumps, not without alerting the enemy to your presence by "other means" at least.
So how do you fight these? Do you send an ultra expensive Seawolf or a Virginia class sub? Do you fire ADCAP 48 torpedoes that are more expensive than these subs? Or do you have a squadron of modernized... Fletcher class destroyers to track and sink them?
a lot of options :: Japan can lease /lend some of his 93 P3 Orion built by Kawasaki on licence to track NK subs , US navy may pull out of storage some P3 Orion ,French can borrow some old but still effective first generation Breguet Atlantique ( there are several in the museum still airworthy ) Other than that the Us Navy can simply deploy a single P8 Poseidon
Why modernize most of the guppy 2 fletchers could probably do a very good, workman like job, or heck give an average USCG WMEC a rudimentary sonar suit and some depth charges and that'll probably do as well.
I bet the story is different from reality. None of those guys are dead, they got captured, provided intelligence and now have a life under different names. The reason story tells that they all took their life is so that families in NK will not get tortured and put in jail. Just a thought.
Around @7:00 you mention the screw setup is unique. Do you think anyone else will try it? And are the NK still developing this idea? :) I wonder why nobody else has done it 🤔
Given that I bet a ADCAP costs more than most of these boats and there is a literal wall of them, I curious how we would deal with a "submarine" swarm. That is assuming a material amount could actually put to sea at once
I wonder if that YUGO Class sub can use a transmission to turn just the smaller screw for trolling in like a quiet mode? Doesn't seem like that tiny screw would do much of anything extra if that massive one is spinning. It's the only way my brain can make sense for them to add that hilariously tiny screw.
Well the North is still 'at war' technically, with no peace treaty ever signed. And the South Korean ship was apparently sunk close to Baengnyeong Island, which is off the coast of North Korea and probably considered to be North Korean waters (as far as North Korea is concerned). South Korean military ships patrolling off the coast of North Korea is probably one of the reasons North Korea has so many subs. It's always worth considering how the 'other side' views one's actions. For instance, the US feels perfectly entitled to regularly send warships through the South China Sea (despite Chinese Law requiring foreign military vessels to have permission to enter its EEZ, which the US ignores), but I'm not sure how happy the US will be next decade when China has several aircraft carries and starts regularly sending 'goodwill' fleets cruising down the coastline of the US, only a dozen miles offshore... Having a Chinese warship armed with a dozen or more hypersonic nuclear missiles regularly sitting 12 nautical miles off Los Angeles (which is about the distance from Long Beach to Santa Monica) might make the US a bit less keen on the concept of 'Freedom of Navigation'.
Yes, I agree that H.I.Sutton is a much better artist. However, his work does have one massive, impardonable and unfathomable defect : the lack of a Leroy!
One of the articles I found described the crew that died was a murder suicide. It sounded to me like one or more of the crew would have surrendered but someone (CO?) took everyone out before killing themselves.
Not saying these Boats couldn't sneak up on an unsuspecting target, but North Korea sure proves, that the raw number of vessels doesn't tell you how dangerous a Navy is.
Also, JT, which is correct screwback or skewback? I've seen both used. HT used screwback in his N Korean sub brief... Makes me think both are correct?... Or did he maybe mean to refer that double screw design that you thought was a vortex dissipater? I know I could Google it but I'd like to hear it from a you.... please. PS I've always used "skewback". Also, do you use it normally to mean5 or 7 bladed scimitar types or more broadly?
6:29 - or they said this so if the crew did surrender, the families of the crew not getting prosecuted in the North. Very sad if the "official" story is actually true.
I think Romeo and Simpo are the only non-coastal submarines... most of the classes must be deployed in zones considered likely to be used by South Korea and their allies for litoral operations if things get hot... remember that 2010 sinking of Cheonan was inside North Korea's home waters (a very important fact usually 'forgoten' by west media) so the midget submarine did what he was designed to. On the Simpo class SSB and Romeo class SSK... i do not think the Simpo sails alone out there... Romeos might be the ones escorting them, like any major power escort their SSBN with SSN, specially Russia
Concerning the fanatical N Koreans, if they surrendered what would happen to their relatives in N Korea. Would the regime treat them like traitors or defectors and arrest their families and send them to reeducation camps or worse?
The issue is not that they got a huge bunch of subs, of various quality but the fact remains that there is no way to fight these without eventually fighting china, wich has a bigger fleet than US now and south korea capital is within howizer range wich both sides know and of such it is eight to twenty millions civilians in the crossfire. I:e even if it had been practical and the action would lead to a win or no win, the collatteral damage risk is huge. There is no clear win as it was a defeat simulated by USN.
9:56 technically they didn't committee suicide.. NK submariners got murdered by their special force that they carrying. only special forces guys done killing spree and 2 escaped back to north by foot
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Hi love your channel, but could you please make your mouse pointer a bit bigger, its hard to see
I suspect that if a North Korean submariner surrendered, his family would be put in mortal danger. The regime would take revenge on his family. Again, I suspect.
Another great video.
How big do you think the (U.S.) Navy SHOULD be, Jive?
@@shauny2285 From what I know of NK, I think you're right
Worth noting If you are captured alive you family can and often does pay a price.
Can we all take a minute to appreciate how unbelievably terrifying it must be to serve on a Nork submarine.
It's not unreasonable to assume, that only few most indoctrinated, dedicated and loyal NK sailors are choosen to man their subs.
It is also possible that their families are threatened by the regime to prevent them trying to do any funny things with the equipment.
Like in PPR (communist Poland) only singles were trained to man the bombers designated to deliver nuclear bombs shared by the USSR and stored in Poland. And I bet it wasnt the only condition...
@@Weisior I mean they legally can imprison whole family even extended for crime of one person so you maybe right
Like Das Boot but with less singing and you don't get to stop off on the French coast if you make it back alive.
It’s more likely that they are given luxuries that few have, probably with family allowed to live in Pyongyang
A lot gets lost in the propaganda, but life in NK, especially that in the main cities, is a lot more modern than one would assume.
Sang-o means "shark," Yeoneo means "salmon," and Gorae means "whale."
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鲸鱼whale
鱿鱼squid
If i were writing a DLAB exam i would then ask what is a 鱼 e.g. 4 pictures and then 4 symbols, match game.
Currently DLAB doesn't test hanzi or cyrillic.
Gamsa Haeyo! (To you and Google translate!)
And Yugo means sucky FIAT copy
Waiting for the squid class to be built. 😅
The green paint is to match the local water colour, have a look at the washed up sub, the colours are pretty close. But if you look at the subs in formation they seem to have gone to a darker green or blue.
Yugoslavia in the 1980's would sell weapons to anyone, they offered to sell T-72 tanks to Sweden in the 1980's
But they did occupy a place sort of in between the east and west blocks which meant they had more access to western technology.
They certainly were a go between for customers on both sides of the Iron curtain but anyone could buy arms and ammo from them. They had a huge arms manufacturing capability. Until Princess Diana got involved with stopping mine use the U.K. had lined up purchasing the excellent TMRP-6 (fantastic AT mine) to supplement our Barmines. They had a lot of expertise in making mines of home design or copied from USSR.
Many coups in various nations were conducted using their weapons. Tito also didn’t mind supplying to terrorist/freedom fighter groups often on opposing sides. Just good business.
I liked their version of the Draganov SVD and the AP round, steel core with copper jacket. It went through a telegraph pole then a tree behind it and disappeared down range on a famil shoot lol.
To be fair, Sweden during the 70s 80s had a semi friendly relationship with the eastern block, We even bought some soviet tanks for testing but later scrapped the idea and used them for weapons demonstrations.
Regarding the suicide thing. I did hear about how on some soviet diesel boats (cant remember the class, probably a whisky or something like that) the Captain had the ability to lock himself in his cabin which featured two valves for flooding the rest of the sub with poison gas in case of mutiny or capture. Given the kind of country that NK is they would most likely equip their subs with this feature if posible. (although the crew doing it wilingly is definitely still an option) It is however a while since I heard of this so do take it with a grain of salt.
That's actually a myth - probably taken from the story of the K-27 which, in 1968, which suffered a rupture in one of its experimental nuclear reactors and spewed poisonous xenon and krypton gasses throughout the reactor compartment, which eventually killed 9 members of her crew due to radiation poisoning.
You should do a video about the NoKo sub sinking that South Korean corvette. There was some USN involvement in the after action forensics - retrieving the torpedo remnants etc
If you've not already seen it, the Movie "Northern Limit Line" produced by South Korea is well worth the time. Deals with surface defense boats, that monitor the Ocean border between the two Korea's.
Put a turret on the ship? Nah put a T34 on it and some sandbags. NK you crazy
North Koreans have a clear advantage when it comes to submarines: On average they are only 1,50m "tall".
I was deployed to South Korea in 1984. I am only 5' 8" tall, but I felt tall for the only time in my life when I was there. It was glorious.
"500 Yonos were built by dear leader himself after he taught himself how submarines work." 😆😆😆
In the 1970s, Yugoslavia was shipping supplies and weapons to the Khmer Rouge government (Democratic Kampuchea) through the port of Kompong Som, so, yeah, it makes sense that they would also supply North Korea with midget subs, since North Korea was a very close ally of Democratic Kampuchea.
I know China was supporting Pol Pot against Vietnam. Didnt know Nork was too.
@@maximmatusevich3971 They weren’t. North Korea supported Sihanouk in exile after the Khmer Rouge took power, and even built a palace for him and housed him for several years. They supported his efforts to take control of the country over the Khmer Rouge and opposed Vietnam’s occupation of Cambodia in favor of his government taking power.
In short, the DPRK hated Democratic Kampuchea, and instead supported Norodom Sihanouk’s government in exile even over socialist Vietnam, with whom the DPRK had a rivalry and tense relationship with that’s only started to improve in the last 3 years.
@@KrisHandsome Interesting analysis. I get suspicious when people throw Nork around especially with Yeonmi "Soft Eyes Push Train By Itself" Park.
Check out the prop's made by Hyundai Heavy Industries in South Korea for the merchant ships , they have a secondary prop behind the main as it helps to keep the water flow attached to the base of the main prop and gives a big boost to efficiency in surface ships so will do the same on a sub meaning slower turning shaft and less noise
I think in a conflict these little subs would be quite dangerous, determined crews make the difference, small hugging the shore. American and Aussie training is for more open ocean sub work
We are (Aus navy) trained to shore hug and stealth with our current electric/diesel.
ye can be good in defensive positions with high morale crew. 1 torpedo and they can bring down a big ship.
@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 the west is sensitive to casualties so if a couple of these little subs causes deaths then our political system will cause issues
thanks cpt jive another great video keep em coming!
You bet
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FYI the Han river is the same river that goes through Seoul. The Han River near the SK/NK boarder and the sea are heavily guarded and fenced off. Also there are dams and anti submarine emplacements because of previous NK attempts to penetrate the river and parts of the coast line.
Romeo has an "antique chique" appearance. Like 30's 40's speedsters as they became drag conscious.
Concerning the crew that committed suicide, my first thought was that they might have feared the ramifications for their families if they had gotten captured. I’d believe in a heartbeat that they might be sent to a „camp“.
I think its more likely they feared getting captured and tortured at gitmo. The best propaganda is the kind that is true, and I doubt the North Korean government would not tell stories about what happens there to anyone that might risk getting captured.
That NorK Uboat that was entangled in the fishermans net was carriying special army units that were doing recon missions in South Korea. Apparently they killed the sailors and they executed themselves afterwards.
Painted green to make it harder for the satellites to differentiate them against the pond scum forming on the water around them at mooring 😏
When your subs are so bad that your enemy uses them as a park display to amuse their population.
Im a surface sailor (BMC) but i love your videos. From the USS Thresher to the Seawolf class. They are all well done. I was stationed on Bangor as a mooring supervisor and dry dock support. (7-10 years ago) and because everyone was Sub Sailors ,Myself and 4 other BMs did all the change of commands and retirement ceramonies. ( USS Maine, USS Louisiana, USS Alabama, USS Henry M. Jackson, the USS Jimmy Carter, USS Michigan, USS Kentucky and two or three others whose name i cant remember. I was the honors BM for the 4,000 deterrent patrol ceremony. While there i developed a child like excitment and strong interest in submarines as whole. They had a remembrance cereramony for the USS Thresher and read into it the day before the ceramony. Your videos are great to listen to on long drives and make for interesting conversation. Keep it up!
Man I wish my country was this productive with naval hardware
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@Computer Whisperer we could do it without even starving the population for it.
Worth noting they also have the Romeo-mod(class) that is missing from this list.
Loving the content lately :)
So we need to design a sub designed to go super deep with a giant super powerful magnet. The subs entire job would be to hunt other subs, sneak up on them, attach to them with the magnet and pull them down below their test depth so they are crushed with no signs of being attacked. Other options would be to sneak up on them and put a massive fishing net on them and fowl up their propellors and capture them when they surface. I know technically it probably isnt feasible but I like to imagine its possible (ergo dont take this as a serious).
Maybe the small screw is a trolling motor for low speed, ultra-quiet, operations.
Something like that is a much more realistic explanation.
Or to allow some control with a diver in the water (minimizing risk for injury).
Having an inline secondary screw rotating in the same direction as the main screw would be insanely inefficient for propulsion. (I'm far from expert in this so I might be wrong though.)
could the small screw be a creeping / station keeping screw?
The ROKN corvette was blown in two. It looks like about half the Nork sub fleet is cheaper than the torpedoes that would sink them. It would not be a bad thing if that GORAE had an accident...
I subbed Sutton's channel as soon as I saw it, remembering that you use his page as a source.
Thanks Jive for this valuable information that keeps us knowledgeable and in the "Loop"...As far as we are allowed to be knowledgeable and in the "Loop", while not having tooo many federal agencies following us around like upset girlfriends!...😏😁🤣
The color choice may have something to do with the water color around NK...
Noone would ever know if any of those subs sank.
Great work Sir thank you
I'm proud of you brother! Your channel has grown exponentially!
Perhaps the green is the colour of the water they operate in, ie the littoral regions.
In this brief you note that the GORAE has the SLBM in the sail - which probably accounts for the open 'hatch' you noticed in the photo of the recent skip-glide missile test. You had said that the 'hatch' in the sail should not have been open, but if that is where the missile launched out of, it makes sense for it still to be open when the sub surfaced immediately after the test firing?
Didn't the picture show a missile flying out of the front ?
Ah yes.....The deathtrap class, the anchor class, the liability class, the drydock class and of course...the watery grave class. Formattable.
I only figured out that this was a smartass comment when I got to "watery grave class." Doh!
You forgot the Eternal Patrol class.
@@shanepatrick4534 Sea Trials Class
Their typical sub is literally like oil drums welded together with a prop and motor slapped on…
I am curious how the DE Type 212 class of submarines would fare vs NK submarines. Especially compared to US nuclear submarines that are far larger.
More silent (:
Probably better because they're more suited for littoral work, American subs are better for deeper waters.
The CSS Hunley could take down a Virginia-class boat if the difference in abilities of their prospective C.O.s were great. Our submarine C.O.s are some very intelligent people; there are none better. They practice daily at sea mental exercises that would make the average M.I.T. grad go into meltdown, and are motivated to a level that only their peer group can relate to. If you have read some of the novels of undersea warfare that deal with the information that a captain is processing during the period leading up to a battle, his thinking and actions to prepare the battlespace and then carry out the execution of his enemy, then you have an idea what I'm talking about. Those sub skippers are a rare breed, and it is they, every bit as much as the platforms and crews they command, that make a difference that the North Koreans will not duplicate in our lifetimes.
Probably very good. They are silent, have very skilled crews and captains and are overall the latest in submarine technology. The "Seehecht" (DM2A4) torpedo is also a very recent design. Now recent might not mean best as there is no actual combat experience with the thing (or the 212 for that matter, excluding maneuvers), but it should be better than copies of 80s soviet tech and whatever NK has cooked up since. The Diesel/Fuel Cell subs are also way quieter than nuclear subs used by the US who retired the last Diesel sub in 2011 IIRC and you can switch them off, but you cant stop a reactors coolant pumps, not without alerting the enemy to your presence by "other means" at least.
So how do you fight these? Do you send an ultra expensive Seawolf or a Virginia class sub? Do you fire ADCAP 48 torpedoes that are more expensive than these subs? Or do you have a squadron of modernized... Fletcher class destroyers to track and sink them?
Helicopters and surface ships.
Get a few steel hulled junk rigged crab trawlers and drop Syrian barrel bombs over the side.
a lot of options :: Japan can lease /lend some of his 93 P3 Orion built by Kawasaki on licence to track NK subs , US navy may pull out of storage some P3 Orion ,French can borrow some old but still effective first generation Breguet Atlantique ( there are several in the museum still airworthy )
Other than that the Us Navy can simply deploy a single P8 Poseidon
Why modernize most of the guppy 2 fletchers could probably do a very good, workman like job, or heck give an average USCG WMEC a rudimentary sonar suit and some depth charges and that'll probably do as well.
I bet the story is different from reality. None of those guys are dead, they got captured, provided intelligence and now have a life under different names. The reason story tells that they all took their life is so that families in NK will not get tortured and put in jail. Just a thought.
You could very well be right - and I hope you are
Around @7:00 you mention the screw setup is unique. Do you think anyone else will try it? And are the NK still developing this idea? :)
I wonder why nobody else has done it 🤔
Good stuff JT. Brought back some memories 😉
The ship definitely sunk. The hull was raised and on display. Split it in half.
Tito give blueprint of Yugo class to NK when he wisit NK
Given that I bet a ADCAP costs more than most of these boats and there is a literal wall of them, I curious how we would deal with a "submarine" swarm. That is assuming a material amount could actually put to sea at once
HI Sutton has a great video on Chinese subs on his channel.
Question, why would you put windows on a submarine. It's kinda like a car with a sunroof, isn't it?
was recommended ti come see yer channel have subbed and pressed the bell :)
Sutton has 80k subscribers now 🎉🎉
I would appreciate it if you could do a general review on Iranian Artesh navy (not IRGC navy) in general
I wonder if that YUGO Class sub can use a transmission to turn just the smaller screw for trolling in like a quiet mode? Doesn't seem like that tiny screw would do much of anything extra if that massive one is spinning. It's the only way my brain can make sense for them to add that hilariously tiny screw.
Is that brief on the Gorae class available? Because it was removed last time I looked
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Nk is insane I had no idea they were shooting torpedoes at ships so recently
Well the North is still 'at war' technically, with no peace treaty ever signed. And the South Korean ship was apparently sunk close to Baengnyeong Island, which is off the coast of North Korea and probably considered to be North Korean waters (as far as North Korea is concerned). South Korean military ships patrolling off the coast of North Korea is probably one of the reasons North Korea has so many subs.
It's always worth considering how the 'other side' views one's actions. For instance, the US feels perfectly entitled to regularly send warships through the South China Sea (despite Chinese Law requiring foreign military vessels to have permission to enter its EEZ, which the US ignores), but I'm not sure how happy the US will be next decade when China has several aircraft carries and starts regularly sending 'goodwill' fleets cruising down the coastline of the US, only a dozen miles offshore... Having a Chinese warship armed with a dozen or more hypersonic nuclear missiles regularly sitting 12 nautical miles off Los Angeles (which is about the distance from Long Beach to Santa Monica) might make the US a bit less keen on the concept of 'Freedom of Navigation'.
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Is the gorea listing in that 1st photo ... Nothing is scarier then a sub without trim control .
Could the smaller screw be used to go silent as much as possible? Allowing them to keep moving? Just curious about that dual configuration?
Hi Sub, We have given the Nork's way to much Leeway for at least 10 years that I've been paying attention. Thanks for all the information.
Yes, I agree that H.I.Sutton is a much better artist. However, his work does have one massive, impardonable and unfathomable defect : the lack of a Leroy!
How did they stuff Fatman into that sub?
So the Yugo class submarine entered into surface about the same time as that goofy little Yugo subcompact automobile? Coincidence...😉
very interesting thank you
Could be green because of copper paint. They might use copper as a galvanization layer.
1:34 oh look, a -german type XXI- , a Korean made Romeo Class!
Ah the Romeo class...aka 688i snax...
One of the articles I found described the crew that died was a murder suicide. It sounded to me like one or more of the crew would have surrendered but someone (CO?) took everyone out before killing themselves.
I was looking for HITC 7s, how did I get here?
Not saying these Boats couldn't sneak up on an unsuspecting target,
but North Korea sure proves, that the raw number of vessels doesn't tell you how dangerous a Navy is.
Also, JT, which is correct screwback or skewback? I've seen both used. HT used screwback in his N Korean sub brief... Makes me think both are correct?... Or did he maybe mean to refer that double screw design that you thought was a vortex dissipater? I know I could Google it but I'd like to hear it from a you.... please.
PS I've always used "skewback". Also, do you use it normally to mean5 or 7 bladed scimitar types or more broadly?
4:23 That's one dinged sub..!
Nice content
Nothing beats the I-400 series XD
6:29 - or they said this so if the crew did surrender, the families of the crew not getting prosecuted in the North.
Very sad if the "official" story is actually true.
which one is the rust class .NK is the number 1 buyer of Flex-seal tape
Thks but ?Could you make a subs for dummies playlist for folks like me?
Tfw best Korea has almost 18x the submarines of my decadent western nation. At least we have functioning grocery stores tho.
Sucks
@Steve Wolcott Yet still somehow more performant than our four Victoria class paperweights.
I think Romeo and Simpo are the only non-coastal submarines...
most of the classes must be deployed in zones considered likely to be used by South Korea and their allies for litoral operations if things get hot... remember that 2010 sinking of Cheonan was inside North Korea's home waters (a very important fact usually 'forgoten' by west media) so the midget submarine did what he was designed to.
On the Simpo class SSB and Romeo class SSK... i do not think the Simpo sails alone out there... Romeos might be the ones escorting them, like any major power escort their SSBN with SSN, specially Russia
They all fit under one class - easy target
A moment of silence for the bravery and blind faith of their Submariners..😬
The North Korean Romeo class submarines were provided by China 1970s late
"...didn't kick off a war."? What are you talking about? North and South Korea have been in a continuous state of war since 1950.
The two torpedos attached to the outside of the sub?
external torpedo tube were common during the cold war.
The Romeo is a fine-looking submarine. I'd build that in 1/700.
Yugos, don’t see them on the road anymore. Didn’t know they made subs 🥴
Idk why NK's submarine fleet seems more like Kim's "My Classic Car Garage" equivalent lol
Just glad I don't have to dive in one of those tin cans.
north korean class submariine, the tinker class, the dripper dipper class and El Toilette
Wow, didn't know they had so many subs.
Damn every 7 Series is bigger than a YUGO class
When I hear Yugo all I can think of is that tiny terrible car with the shifter knobs that would melt in the sun.
@@shanepatrick4534 I'd take the car. Better armament, deeper crush depth, quieter, the radio sometimes works...among other benefits.
@@primus86 You're talking about the Beamer from one of the James Bond movies? Yeah definetly better armed 😂
Wasnt there an incident in 2004
Concerning the fanatical N Koreans, if they surrendered what would happen to their relatives in N Korea. Would the regime treat them like traitors or defectors and arrest their families and send them to reeducation camps or worse?
Easy answer, "That family name? There is no one in this country with that last name, you must be mistaken."
That 3 generation penalty is very persuasive 👩🔧🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
The issue is not that they got a huge bunch of subs, of various quality but the fact remains that there is no way to fight these without eventually fighting china, wich has a bigger fleet than US now and south korea capital is within howizer range wich both sides know and of such it is eight to twenty millions civilians in the crossfire. I:e even if it had been practical and the action would lead to a win or no win, the collatteral damage risk is huge. There is no clear win as it was a defeat simulated by USN.
Hope there's no Yoko class...😬
What happened to the Cold Waters content? Are you doin another game on Twitch these days?
All the new Cold Waters content can now be found on the new, second channel here: ruclips.net/channel/UC_cceGUUSd3kB8fSamBg8KQ
@@JonBloor7 Thank you much!
@@JonBloor7 I would have never known this if it weren't for me scrolling the comments.
One romeo went to sea
Never returned
All I’m Gonna say I was one of the last generation born in Yugoslavia!! We were great and the a fucked up
Translation is “broken washing machine class”
I remember that North Korean sub that got stuck in South K. The political officer was shooting the other two guys that were with him 🙋🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
Nobody is going to comment the 724m operating depth on the Romeo? 🤣🤣🤣
9:56 technically they didn't committee suicide.. NK submariners got murdered by their special force that they carrying. only special forces guys done killing spree and 2 escaped back to north by foot
They killed 11 submariner to disguise submarine were only carrying submariner, but that trick didn't work because one guy captured. it kinda crazy
@@waaaakkkkk wow
kinda urprised they don't have any Kilos