China's Type 094A SSBN Sub Brief
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The design, construction and operation of China's second generation nuclear ballistic submarine; PLAN's Type 094A Jin.
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Pushing unconscious bias? Shame.
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You actually just make stuff up about PLAN submarines. There is no such thing as the Type 98 (6:13) - this class does not exist except in your imagination, or whatever faulty source you happen to be using. There is also no such thing as JL-2C - there is the JL-2, JL-2A, and JL-3. The Yu-3 torpedo is not used anymore on Chinese submarines - they have all shifted to the Yu-6. This video reminds me of the time when you claimed to your audience that claims that China has AESA radars is just Chinese propaganda. I like to hear about actual weaknesses (and strengths) of the PLAN, but to actually give accurate info you really need to do some legitimate research. I am not interested in factually fuzzy or just outright wrong content.
Great you gave the ship yards co-ordinates, iam going to the garage and spin up the old ICBM
Have fun!
@@SubBrief aye aye skipper 😃
Hey Sub Brief, I love the content! Would you consider doing a general "China navy" video talking about how they would stack up against perhaps US and UK navys?
Thanks and I love the content!!!
yes.
@@SubBrief Awsome! Thank you!!!!!!
Indian navy would be interesting as well. They have a lot going on.
@@SubBrief if you do this remember to include the real posdibility - due to fact USA military are inS. Korea,Philippines,Japan and I would predict (maybe) Indonesian involvement -Natuna! And Malacca Straight!! Surely China would attack US Military bases wherever they are and even if they are not naval targets. Which then adds what North Korea does - anyone who thinks that NK will sit on the sidelines and do nothing is crazy. If Russia enters the fray you can rest assured they will attempt to take back the contested part of S. Island. Which would bring in the Japanese to the war for sure. And then what does the USA do about that. But I suspect the Japanese would crush the Russians. Any Russian naval maneuvers out of would run the USA submarine barricade. I could go on a lot more. The point is not to a half a job. Like USA vs CHINA. That’s just downright ridiculous and stupid simultaneously.
And if I knew a battle is near with China I would have my “teams” in China with the necessary wherewithal to assist me in reducing the risk from sub base in Hainan, Liao Ning HQ, Xiamen and other strategic naval bases.
Aside from that it is obvious to a number of experts China needs maybe 5 years to even consider attacking Taiwan let alone USA. So I will be highly critical of a seriously flawed attempt.
Chinese SSBNs are endlessly fascinating. Thanks as always, Capt. Jive!!
Hello! The noise level compariosn of submarines in 27:30 was from the ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) report in November 2009, which represents the intelligence USN gathered earlier in 2000s. This graph should be right about the noise level of earliest version of Type 093/094, but this was a bit outdated by now; not sure whether they have updated version. And Yu-3 is really an museum piece; what are mostly mentioned are models later than Yu-6, powered by combustion engine like MK-48.
Really interesting sub brief. There is a whole lot of fire power under the seas around the world at any one time.
Appreciate the shoutout to H I Sutton. Guess I will be tuning into your channel again!
BTW, The 2009 ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) noise level comparison in 27:30 included Type 095, the PLAN 3rd generation SSN, and predicted it would commissioned around 2015. 7 years after, the first Type 095 is still far from hitting water, the schedule is much slower than foreign predict. It is highly possible that PLAN had changed the requirements of Type 095.
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*_Great_** video, Aaron!*
Based on the photos of models by CSSC(manufactures of Chinese submarines) and the satellite images within a year, the Bravo version of Type093/094 are coming (the first Type 093B was launched around April 2022). Both featured pump jet which is unprecedented for PLAN, and Type 093B featured VLS tubes. It might still take years to see their third generation SSN/SSBN (Type 095/096) come out.
Like in many other fields they have learned what they could from others and are now branching out into totally new, in house designs. The new "rim driven propulsor" is fascinating. Reminds me somewhat of the auxiliary power units on ruskie subs but much more powerful and silent.
Always interesting.
You’re a spy-level expert in naval warfare. These are great details.
Google earth should sponsor your videos bc every time I watch one I'm going to Google earth to try and find these locations on my own lol
Xia and Jin are pronounced Sshyah and Jeen.
I pronounce Xi Jinping - dirt bag
Thank you. I am working on my pronunciation
@Jay Risner other guys a clown lol. The 60s= a moon landing,muscle cars, unbelievable music... The list goes on. If you are stuck there I'm pretty jealous.
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Both France and England have commissioned new attack subs in the last 2 weeks. Good topic for naval news.
The UK. The nuclear sub base is in Scotland.
@@R.-. yeah but the nut cases in charge in Scotland don’t believe in nuclear subs
This will be very interesting. What are downsides to automation in subs, in general. Autoloader in Soviet tanks, automation in submarines. We didn't do that as much. Complicated question i suppose but it's a curious thing. Is it primarily driven by personnel management ... err, you know what I mean. Like the training of large numbers of extremely technical specialists like submariners was less of an issue for the Western navies (USN especially). You've talked about it before in other videos.
It may not be worth your time to make a full video on it but I think average Westerners would expect the exact opposite to be true about our ships/subs. Responding to casualties, preventing casualties by having more personnel on duty at any given time, preventing crew fatigue, damage control during a casualty, but theres trade offs to have more people on a ship. etc. This is me spitballing. Maybe the PLAN would rather have quantity and thus they'd go for smaller crew sizes and more automation?
Deadly but not silent is the best description for Chinese nuclear subs.
I once read an article on Strategy Page many years ago and it mentioned how the Chinese government does not trust its sailors with nukes. Keeping their boomers close to home could also be a way of making sure they behave themselves.
Makes sense, china also keeps its armed forces as the PEOPLES liberation arm rather than the Chinese army so it's a party controlled military
I think the US should be behaving themselves first.
Thanks for the great content Aaron.
De magnitising that's something I never thought about. Naval R&D really is like the F1 of military Innovation
Being a Navy brat of serious submariners and torpedo design fathers, you are the Most on point sir.
Interesting Video. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for sharing. Would be great if you can cover more recent submarines.
Thanks!
Welcome!
Soviet boats likes to have two shafts .. that's what's she said... Boom. Giggity...
I approve of this joke.
You should do a Sub Brief on the Type 051 Ming class boats. They've always fascinated me.
Nice job!! Oh how I wish you were aloud to use your knowledge for US (and allied) sub briefs!!!🤔🤔 🤔
... I do birthday parties.
Noted!
BAD SOVIET SPY, BAD. Thou shall not lead the sonarman to a court marshal; then what would we watch.
Aaron, since you bring up ROK ASW and Sub operations, I'd love to get your opinions on their existing AIP and home-grown AIP boats. The Type 214 seems to have had some teething problems.
JL means “Huge waves” it metaphorically means this submarine can cause huge waves in the ocean. It is what China hopes for its SSBN
Excellent briefing. Nuclear-powered submarines are certainly not China's long suit! With 2 patrol areas, likely they are looking at 8 - 10 boats.
The 094 SSBNs were assisted by Russian technology in 1990s that was for sure.
The JL2 & JL3 were roughly equivalent to Trident C4 & D5 in range but not the payload.
But the massive hump was really an inconvenient for stealth.
Superb brief sir thanks for sharing it
Can you do a Yasen class Brief with albeit the limited information available ?
How good is the silencing and technical systems ?
What keeps me up at night is the thought of Russia selling their SSBNs to the PLAN. Even transfer of the cold war era Delta III and Delta IV subs would be a vast improvement of China’s noise levels for their ballistic missile submarines. With enough cash, perhaps Russia would even eventually sell the early 955 Borei class submarines so they could standardize on the 955A for their own fleets. The PLA having late Deltas and early Boreis would allow them to approach close enough to the US coasts to strike everywhere in North America. After that, even inferior copies of 955 Borei class submarines could potentially be quiet enough to give them free movement throughout the Pacific and Atlantic.
Chinese Oscar II's would be scary asf. As the PLAN would need to break out of the island belts, and im sure the Chinese could install some faster Granits.
This reminds me of the Tom Clancy book SSN when Russia started selling their subs fully armed
Russia isn't that stupid or desperate. Siberia's minerals and oil deposits are China's key to self-sufficiency, and both Putin and the CCP know this - the only reason the Chinese want Taiwan first is because Taiwan can't nuke them if they get invaded. A war for Siberia also plays heavily into why the PLA is investing in capabilities that are of little to no use in a war to take Taiwan, such as nuclear second strike capabilities and stealth bombers.
This may be a dumb question, but is this named the type 94 because development started in 1994? Japan has/had a similar naming scheme where they name a vehicle based off the gear it was built
yes. 94 refers to the year.
Degaussing I think was the term you were looking for
How often do subs have the be demagnetized?
Can you do a video on USN SUBSAFE program or system?
I am limited in what I can discuss, even simple things like SUBSAFE.
Is there an inconsistency between the building identified as "Submarine construction hall" at time 6:39 (40°43'6.84"N, 120°59'12.18"E) and the building identified as "Huludao Nuclear Submarine Assembly Hall" identified at time 6:25 (40°42'46.26"N, 121° 1'45.54"E)?
A+
The YU-3 isn't a stealthy first strike type of weapon IMO. It seems to be more of a reactionary or last ditch effort type of weapon. If a Chinese SSBN has to fire the YU-3 then it's probably because it was detected firing its missiles and was fired at upon doing so. It's a "if I'm going down I'll take you with me" kind of thing.
Well, a missile launch is a very detailed and specific operation. If an SSBN has been engaged and has to evade, it's not going to be able to launch. Further, if an SSBN has suddenly gone to a "hover" at a shallow depth, any trailing boat will probably assume that is in preparation to fire. At that point, any ROE will come into play.
Mon: we have delta IV at home
Demag wasn't all that bad with the BQS-13 system. Just our tapes from sonar.
I think the "yu" (魚)for the torpedo designation is shorthand for "yulei" (魚雷) which means torpedo, though the characters do translate to "fish thunder."
Actually “fish bomb” while 雷 certainly represents thunder, another inferred meaning would be “a device that goes boom” like how thunder cracks.
@@zmcmgsg the literal translation of the characters is more amusing than the figurative.
In the context it is means a” fish like bomb” thus torpedo.
@@MrKayn333Torpedo first appeared in late 19th century. It originally defined as self-propelled water mine by Chinese understanding. It sail underwater like fish, then Chinese called (yu lei).
Police sirens are 100 decibels so that thing must really be noisy!
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Hey, what's your source? I need to develop my study on it
Is it just me or does it look like the sail is getting longer?
for the algorithm
What if these subs are actually super silent but the Chinese install noise generators as a deception?
At 120db do they have to stop the sub when they want to get some sleep?
Yea!
Not sure I would want to go in a sub that has made in China on it.
When you said "the federation of american scientists have blown that up", for a second I was horrified, until I realised you meant they blew up the photo, not the actual cave. Interesting stuff though, thank you.
That is an amazing thought right there. You can just imagine an alternate universe FAS where years of pent-up frustration at watching and not doing anything lead to ... rash and unexpected actions.
The parade of imaginary horribles
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Are you sure about the noise figure? 120 db is REALLY loud!!! If One is working In an working space with sound exceeding 80db, hearing protection is mandatory. At 120db I think the crew cannot hear to think straight!??
Most of the noise comes from the propeller and it's only really an issue at the back of the boat.
YU-3 torpedo? "Yu" is pinyin for the word translated as "fish". See what they did there?!
Like a dr seus poem. one fish two fish three fish BOOM
Is this re-upped??
Anyone know if he’s done a brief on the Russian Hotel class? Really interested in the HENS, but I’m having issues finding reliable information on the Hotels.
I"ve not done the Hotel class yet.
@@SubBrief Understood, thank you for your time and for replying sir!
Is Type098 a thing?
Send it to Davey Jones locker...
The United States is 50 years ahead in naval technology.
Why there is 2 reactors? Instead of bigger just 1.
Redundancy in the case of systems that aren't 100% dependable.
Yay!
Um, 11:11 - Should be Thirty thousand SHP, not Three thousand.🤔
i probably mis-spoke. It happens on my recordings.
What is considered quiet vs 120 dB that this beast generates?
it's quite quiet🙃
How do we say: Comrade - in Mandarin 😀
Tong zhi in pinyin, more like “tong jer” but the o in tong is an upward tone that doesn’t quite have an English equivalent
@@LifeofCharles Many thanks 👍 now I see why I couldn't find it. I was looking for a single word!
Hi Sub, i guess i could cheat and just re-watch a Rustkie sub video 📹.
Thank you Sir for your very relevant video. It's big business. Hope that some nations subs would track them at sea. Si vis pacem parabellum. Peace on earth. Submariner forever.
Very respectfuly
The ccp won't like you telling every one about there sub's
oh no... :-)
At least he'll hear them coming if they come looking for him! 💥📣📣📣
@@SubBrief *social credit score decreases by 500 points*
@@chraffis Hahaha that is top notch humor there...
quite is one thing, quiet is another.. 13:00
good catch.
120 Db is quite quiet
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I don't get my head around the difference in speed submerged and on the surface. Submerged has to displace more water that is more viscous than air. So intuitively, I was expecting it to be slower submerged. Why is it that it is always faster in modern submarines? Someone educate me please.
modern submarine design has less drag submerged.
Subs are built with a bow that reduces skin drag underwater, this bow causes higher wave drag above water. Cavitation risk is much higher. Finally some subs have asymmetrical yaw steering when above water so they have to be more careful.
Mind you I am not a sub expert, I just googled this.
The old WW1 and 2 era subs were designed to travel far surfaced and were awful designs for submerged speed so we’re opposite to modern hills.
Interesting
Russian help build nuclear submarines lol. Mao asked for help but Russian refused.China got inspired by a unclear submarine mock-up toy from USA
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Chinese weaponry information is EXTREMLY restrictive compared to US weaponry and even Russian/Soviet weaponry.
For the most part, I still feel that the whole Chinese military is little more than a pumped up effigy of a credible military force. Communist propaganda should not be underestimated in its effectiveness to intimidate Western observers who are used to a more realistic picture of the World due to a still for the most part a free press. The one area of the Chinese military effort that I feel is enormously underestimated is their ability to essentially steal any secret that they wish to, this is where the Chinese have shown again and again to the complete bafflement of Western intelligence how they can obtain the plans and maybe even physical specimens it appears of anything they want. Western militaries should be aware that most likely the Chinese have decrypted any and all Western signal intelligence communications. A new approach is required that takes into account this inability to shield state secrets from the Chinese!
Exactly what parts of China's Type 094A SSBN were assited by Russia's Rubin? Assisting a foregin country to design a SSBN, like helping them to design a sybmarine nuclear reactor, is tentament to suicide.
Can ROKN new KSS-III track this thing?
Yes. It requires sonar oil but yes they can.
Yes, easily but getting close to them could be problematic depending on where they are operating. If they are in the Yellow Sea West of Dalian then the ROK sub would have to pass through waters patrolled by the DPRK and the PLA underwater, on the surface, and in the air.
@@stupidburpActually, Yellow Sea and East China Sea are too shallow to operate subs.
Blubb blugg, blobbedly blobb?
If Mainland China were to be invaded like we did to Iraq then would they mess around with conventional war or would they jump straight to WMDs?
I can't immagine anyone attempting a land invasion of china in the modern era. Just too many people and too much industrial power.
@@hughmungus2760 I hear the plan is to blockade China and starve potentially millions of their people to death.
I've never heard of plans of actually putting soldiers on main land china though.
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It‘s so amazing how far the Chinese are falling behind in the submarinetechnologie compared to the American Ohio-Class or Los Angeles Class…
That's what they want you to think... lol
@@tumultuoustenets1228
I‘m not so sure, about that.
When a sonar officer a.d of an SSN tells us that it was extremely hard to find good sources and that this seems to be near to the truth, I‘d believe it more, than the idea that China has achieved to trick us all and step up to the technological state the US needed decades.
In all ends, we see the Problems in the Chinese military
The quality is not on the level as the US.
I am not saying this video is all wrong but China is definitely not stupid and they surely know they must make their submarine quiet enough to survive. So it is either some internet information are wrong or they have a certain operation mode to make it very silent under water while they wait for the doomsday.
P.s. China has already officially said 039A/B/C, 093A/G and 094A are all false internet naming variants. China only officially name them modified 039, modified 093 and modified 094, because each batch of submarine is modified from earlier submarine batch, and there are no pennant number on their submarines. Therefore others can only recognise their new submarine of the same class when there is visual change or significant noise signature difference.
Yeah, of course. America has way more experience when it comes to submarines. Especially after they took in nazi warcriminals and stole german technology.
What? Falling behind!? Classic American complacency!!
csis lol oh no.
"It's not great."
- Something that can be said for 100% of Chinese products.
As far as I know (I might be terrible wrong), submarines are much more complex than normal surface warships. China's surface fleet (the ships themselves, not sure about the weapons) are considerable threat to US and its allies in Pacific and maybe Indian oceans in future, but their submarine force has a loooong way to catch up, if they do catch up. Good thing is that Russia is not a naive ally of China or a desperate country anymore, and they are not gonna help the Chinese (their certain future rivals) with state of the art technology anymore.
China is not a threat to anyone. They do however need to be prepared to defend themselves from the USA. You know - the nation that has 80 overseas bases, has invaded countless nations unprovoked since WW2, and constantly patrols the water and air bordering China? That one? I don’t see Chinese jets and subs patrolling our coastline. Why? Because they are not a threat. And you’d have to be both insane and insanely brainwashed to actually consider them a threat, instead of the other way around.
@@conzmoleman I'm Iranian. I know very well what America has done. If you're Chinese, you must thank US because they helped you when your government went to war with Soviet Union. US gave you all sorts of technology, industrial assistance and support. Meanwhile my country's democracy and freedom has been robbed by US coups and sanctions.
@@behroozkhaleghiradyour countrys freedom has been robbed by the fascist shia clergy. The US has no patience for bloodthirsty Muslim extremists. Rightly so.
Russia is completely depending on China now with its disastrous war against Ukraine. They will give China almost all of their mediocre tech in exchange for a few repurposed washing machine chips for rocket production.
to me it looks like a delta 3 maby a delta 4 design stolen from the ussr.
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Chinese building ships and subs like virus
what
he said the chinese building ships and subs like virus.
its a reference to the location of their research facility. you can roto till the research complex with a b52 and hit both the virus lab and the marine research lab. the more you know. :heart:
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@conzmoleman Yes my dude?
CIA and NSA too busy watching Republicans and not watching real enemies. "Sorry guys we missed that the CCP was building a SSBN!"
Nonsense
True.
@@highbrass3749 false
bet you dimes to dollars the israelis sold on the mk48 like they did so much else
I read somewhere they got their hands on a training shot in the 80s or 90s. They also have technical documents on the ADCAPs and used that in the YU-9.
china sub brief is no match to sub panty.
Do a video on indian SSBN Sub noise level
If you would say these subs are not capable at certain level, I would not really agree. Back to the history of Chairman Mao, even till late 90s, subs development got way more attention than warships or carriers. Such a country with the technology and the capability of building modern blue water navy. They would not be happy to count on some "not so capable" balist missile sub. If they have been keep building the 094 before anyone would see the 096 in some future. There must be a good enough reason.