What a coincidence.....I was just reading a article released 5 hours ago on "STRATEGIC FRONTIER" website regarding India's recently approved "PROJECT 77" Nuclear attack submarines. Where COLUMBIA CLASS SSN were mentioned as an example to explain NUCLEAR-ELECTRIC PROPULSION...... Looks like India will have Nuclear electric propulsion technology in their "PROJECT 77 SSN" and "S-5 CLASS SSBN" programs combined with 190MW Nuclear reactor.
@@krashd Doesn't matter. Its illegal advertisment in Most if not all EU membestates to even mention gambling without specific compliance messages for each memberstate in their respective language.
I served aboard USS Glenard P. Lipscomb SSN 685 in the late 1980s. She was the US Navy’s second attempt at turbo-electric drive. They never did work the bugs out of that propulsion system. I hope that they have thought this one through and carry forward lessons learned from Lipscomb and Tullibee.
I was going to remind him of the GPL. Tullibee was stationed at SubBase New London when I was in Sub-School and I got an unclassified tour. Cool concept, but way too tiny for me.
@@karlbrundage7472 I went to prototype at S1C, just north of Hartford, Ct. It was an interesting plant, but very tiny (78 MW). The Tullibee had an S2C plant, and I doubt if it was much bigger. From the tales I heard, it had a hard time putting to sea against an incoming tide. This monster is going to have to have a MUCH bigger plant. Should be interesting.
Our company did cycloconverter drives for industrial products, back in the 1980's. 10's of thousands of horsepower. How in the world can they Not do this now? This is some kind of DEI failure. Nobody could be this stupid, unless on purpose.
@@brunonikodemski2420 The word I got is that they're going to scrap the electric motor via shaft and go with busses to the propulsor, using the rotor/stator system to power the drive. If so, very cool...........
The problem was that yards like Portsmouth, Mare Island, etc. made a series of ridiculous errors and gained reputations for poor build-quality . Mare Island even managed to sink the Guitarro pierside (Google "The Mare Island Mud Puppy") and Portsmouth lost a boat, crew and a bunch of their troubleshooters aboard Thresher. When you go for a dive on a nuclear submarine you want to have confidence in the people who built it.........
The 50 cent army got him demonetised, so he has to earn him some money somehow. Gambling (except for Powerball jackpots lol) is not for me but I've got no problem with people gambling online.
Im a huge fan Aaron but an online casino is NOT the way to go man. I understand that money is money and putting out great content costs money but online gambling is destroying lives left right and centre. Id rather up my patreon amount tbh (been supporting since 2018 ;) )
India also recently approved construction of "PROJECT 77 SSN" which will have similar Nuclear Turbo electric drive + pump jet propulsion as Dreadnought and Columbia class. Same technology will be used in India's next generation "S-5 CLASS SSBN"
12 tubes instead of 16 makes sense for a force with a much smaller stockpile and should still be plenty. A flatter top is probably better for hiding from airborne sensors in shallow waters. Columbia seems more focused on staying in deep water most of the time. Different strengths but both are awesome.
I don't know about this "Wunderwaffe" strategy the Navy has going. The assets they are deploying are gargantuan, take forever to build and are essentially irreplaceable. Maybe building smaller assets in greater numbers would be better. All of these megaproject subs and carriers work great in peacetime, but if we go to war with China or Russia *and* China, these things might become too valuable and vulnerable to risk deploying. Maybe we ought to have a set of pre-approved designs that our industry can kick out quickly that we implement at the outbreak of peer-level war. Or maybe we should start now.
Maybe it's an approach to counter the the falling number of apllicants in the armed forces? To become an qualified submarine sailor you need lots of expensive training. So maybe that is why the Navy is choosing the "Wunderwaffe" strategy. Few very capable systems that not easy to neutralize but if one is gone, you simply lost the gamble...
At the cost of how much? The question is more about that impact of not extending Alaska. Would it mean there would be no at sea missile boats? Would it matter if the other 2 arms of the triad are still around?
@@Emperorvalse Everyone agrees that the "triad" really only has the boomers as the fail-safe deterrent. B-52s would never get near their potential targets, even if they managed to get airborne and away from their bases and the "missile farms" are easily targeted by modern near-peer ICBMs. An Ohio-class SSBN goes to sea, submerges a few miles off the coast.......... And disappears. One of the SSNs I served aboard was used to exercise the crews of the boomers before they deployed, operating as a "red" sub hunting for them. The reason we were selected for the task is because we had won the "Battle 'E'" two years in a row and were considered the "hot boat" of the base. Those exercises were fun and challenging, and made it clear that a well-run and maintained boomer is practically a hole in the water............
I think that they should refit all of the Ohios. If Columbia is on time, make them all SSGN Tomahawk spam boats. If there are delays, then one or more stay SSBNs. The US Navy has long been concerned about the number of conventional missile tubes available in the active forces.
@ problem is the Ohios all are all nearing the end of their lives. It would be extremely expensive to extend them all. Those that have been already converted to SSGNs are to be replaced by Block V Virginia Class with the Virginia Payload Module, giving them a significant cruise missile capability.
We can't trust adults to be responsible for themselves anymore, pretty sad. Gambling is the only thing we blame the "substance" for the addiction. Gambling isn't evil and neither are alcohol companies or otherwise.
@ you realize people get addicted to the chemical reactions that occur in their brains when they take the risks… some folks just have a worse genetic predisposition to it. It’s not that they’re somehow bad or weak
@@robanson32 just because a small minority of people cannot control themselves does not mean the rest of society should be punished especially because the overwhelming majority of people are reasonably responsible. I will concede that gambling addiction is one of the most destructive addictions but the response shouldn't be to outlaw or restrict gambling. We are a country that values dangerous freedom over safe tyranny. If we want to help people who have an addiction we can add protections to the existing laws or find other ways to achieve the desired outcomes without the threat of force through legislation.
@@ImperiumLibertas Restricting pro-gambling ads for the young teens here on RUclips is "safe tyranny"? It's your thinking that is the "small minority", mate.
@@corvanphoenix Didn't one of your massive helicopter carriers burn to the ground in drydock a couple of years back losing the US something like 9 billion dollars? You didn't get that right.
Thank Jive Turkey! More graving docks. More drydocks. More building infrastructure. We need it now. We needed it over a decade ago. Do it or regret it for as long as we exist as a country. The Navy "leaderships" is not a thing I have great confidence in. I actually have very, very low expectations for their core competency and this disturbs me greatly. Someone, somewhere needs to motivate a bunch of folks to give a good golly gosh darn it about actually building and floating useful ships and quit yipping amongst themselves about "being nice to one another" and "some day we will have useful ships... really...." Thank you again for keeping us updated. Peaceful Skies
Matt Sermon definitely looks qualified to comment on different kinds of subs. His two favorites are the Philadelphia Class, and Hero Class. Sometimes the Pastrami Class.
What interesting is the U.K. will have their new SSBN in service first before Columbia. Sharing the missile compartment, missile and no doubt some other parts. The Royal Navy may have already worked out some of the bugs with new systems on both classes
@ trying to get actual dates is a bit tricky. Commissioned in early 2030 is the aim point. It will have a few years of testing in the water before then I think. It’s pressure hull is complete We may just have to wait and see what boat makes it first.
Why does the Navy always seem to wait until the point of crisis to replace ships? Why not be a little early? Surely Congress and the public would see value in that.
Cool! Just from model railroad knowledge, I would say that if a few itty bitty tiny gears in a model train can quickly wear out and make a vast ammount of white noise, that a giant gearbox system in a submarine would sound like a rock concert over time 😅
I ❤LOOOOOVE❤ this channel immensely because learning about topics in which I have a deep interest and only a modest level of knowledge makes the whole experience something special - especially when the educator is an authentic submariner from which one can learn about fleet, surface warfare, underwater and geopolitically inspired issues.
I got to watch USS Columbia's rear hull section with the X fins already installed being barged to Quonset Point a few months ago from jetty at URI's Bay Campus (where I met Dr. Ballard more than a year ago, interesting side note). They shut down the bridge from Narragansett to Johnston when it passed under, for security reasons I assume. I know some welders down there also and they can't say much more than, "Yeah, we're putting the hull together here."
I find the video very interesting. The new generator (turbine) and electric motor system is very similar to the Chinese system and different at the same time, because the American submarine displaces 10 times more than the Chinese model (the Chinese model is designed to generate much less thrust and more energy (Residual energy is used to recharge the batteries. ), proportionally, and the American system I imagine will be on a much larger scale: 10 or 20 times more?). But I find the step of eliminating the gears interesting. I have personally seen the gear systems of warships and I always thought it was crazy to transfer thousands of horsepower through mechanical gears at those speeds. The new control surfaces also seem to me to be a great success, I had only seen it in much smaller submarines, I am sure that it greatly improves their maneuverability. What has surprised me a lot is the mixed propulsion system. I have seen similar systems on surface ships, but never on a submarine… it will be interesting to see how it absorbs water to use in the jets, the maintenance of these systems is always very high, what volume it displaces with the pumps and the noise it can generate and where they will place the water intakes and outlets of the system. The sonar must be incredible to see. How many sensors can a sonar of that size have?
@sorryforthings72 what? Why? How? Do you know what gambling is and how it works? I have never seen OF sponsor a video, and if I did I'd have no problem with it if I did. Why would you even think that it's worse??
Love the content!! I know little about the Colombia Class. Thanks! Hopefully the Navy also adds a smiley face emoji painted on the top of the missile as you show here
I'm curious. The new SSBN has almost the identical overall dimensions to the Ohio, albeit a single foot wider in the beam as I recall. It loses 8 missile tubes and the aforementioned mechanical gearing in favour of the new electric drive train, so where does the extra 2,000 ton displacement come from?
The electric transmission itself. It adds a lot of weight. Well it probably shouldn't add 2000 tons, but being wider by a foot contributes in that too.
Like the next generation SSN's the next generation SSBN's are carrying more equipment for underwater combat; more sensors, underwater drones and aerial drones, more stores to sustain longer deployments.
Maybe it's the weight of new Nuclear reactor which meant for lifetime supply of Nuclear fuel...... Ohio class SSBN needs mid-life refueling on nuclear fuel.
Really good question, the ancolic coating should account for some , but your loosing about 5000 tons for 8 less missiles plus the tubes. Has to be all engineering.
I got kicked out of the Golden Nugget Casino in Vegas, 1981, as a young 18yr old Marine for simply being on the floor. How the heck was I supposed to know that? 😂
11:30 - I used to work for the subcontractor that produces and supports the sled that quad-pack is on. I can say that I witnessed GD-EB not using the fixtures correctly, resulting in prolonged production of hull modules. It’s not solely a supply issue.
I hope you still have a security clearance after publicly disclosing you work on sensitive systems. That cute Chinese girl next week will love you long time, I am sure
@ I’ve had and maintained security clearance status and eligibility since 2002. The specific information I dealt with wasn’t controlled by itself, I was just in areas where exposure to other information could have happened.
I guess the difference is because it has other mission specific equipment and capabilities other then carrying icbms. The true answer is most likely classified.
A thought... It Could be a signed treaty 10 to 20+ yrs. ago. That there would be reduction on the number of launch capacity for any new boats or platforms? It's a guess...
The treaty limited the total number of launch silos, which does include SLBM tubes. The reduction of used tubes in the SSBN Ohios and conversion of the SSGN Ohios are affected by that. The current SSBNs do not use all of their tubes, total number was then transferred onto the Columbias.
Maybe I missed it but the Columbia class also has a reactor that is good to go for the service life of the hull (42 years if my memory is correct). This means more time at sea and allows some economy in the hull design and construction costs since mid-life access to the reactor is unnecessary.
More Borei under construction in Russia, we're building the Columbias, France is building the SNLE 3G SSBNs, the UK is heading forward with the Dreadnoughts and China is already working on the successor to the Type 094A. I'm honest, it's interesting to see a new generation of SSBNs around the world being rolled out in roughly the same era.
What a coincidence.....I was just reading a article released 5 hours ago on "STRATEGIC FRONTIER" website regarding India's recently approved "PROJECT 77" Nuclear attack submarines. Where COLUMBIA CLASS SSN were mentioned as an example to explain NUCLEAR-ELECTRIC PROPULSION...... Looks like India will have Nuclear electric propulsion technology in their "PROJECT 77 SSN" and "S-5 CLASS SSBN" programs combined with 190MW Nuclear reactor.
It'll be very interesting to see how they go, particularly in the SSN. It should cause 🇨🇳 serious problems. I'm 🇦🇺, so I hope 🇮🇳's next-gen subs kick ass!!
I'm surprised someone is allowed to talk about the Columbia class . I'm part of the project , and I'm on a need to know basis ( look at blueprints , designs ) and still I'm only allowed to talk about it to the welders and superintendent of the project .
Virginias now to be built until batch 8 in 2040 with no funds available for developing the next SSN that was originally supposed to enter service in the early 2030's but is not now expected to enter service until 2042!!!
Good brief. Does anyone else remember the USS Lipscolmb (SSN-685)? Our first foray into turbine electric propulsion in the 1970s. I worked on her Propulsion Turbine Generators (PTGs) in Norfolk Naval Shipyard in the 1980s. Big prolems with electric arcing across the PTG journal bearings.
This sub & the uk dreadnought class nuclear subs are near enough the same with a lot of joint development projects in the design stages & just a few differences for specific reasons each countries navy wanted & has many joint developed & shared components which also includes the future trident missile replacement projects
My simple brain wonders why this submarine must be even larger and carry more than the Ohio but also why it needs a different sonar compared to the Virginia? Is the added cost truly worth it?
Cramming more and more electronics, gizmos, and batteries inside the hull. The independent X dive plane configuration already adds more complexity in design and space needed to house the internal parts to make that work over the cross configuration. I can only imagine the electric direct drive motor (and the cooling system needed to keep it going in a sub) replacing the reduction gears is a substantial piece of hardware as well in size and weight. The SONAR is just the next evolution in technology considering Virginia's is most likely based on a late 1990's/early 2000's design and tech.
Active stockpile is smaller now. If we want to grow it again we can build some extra boats. The size is probably related to improving living spaces for better longevity with more food and better living conditions. Maybe more showers and more toilets for example.
Praying we get this program right!!! Because they've beyond messed up the Littoral Ship and the FFG Constellation class.... And the FFGs we need badly along with new CGs or CGNs.
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire That might be true but you still don't have enough ships to go all around for escort.... 96x should be the absolute minimum of AEGIS equipped AAW platforms based off how many CVNs and LHDs we have..... Let alone we have zero convoy and support ship escort FFGs anymore.
Good Lord, that thing is a monster. It will be interesting to see if the turbo electric thing works out. There's always advantages and disadvantages with anything like that. Though the advantages are probably significant if it works out. I'm also pretty certain it will be a fair bit faster than they're going to admit, for obvious reasons. It is amazing just how much stuff is going on inside one of those.
I normally upvote all your videos but advertising a gambling app made e lose a lot of respect for your channel. Downvted specifically because you promoted a gambling app.
20 knots hasn't been a design challenge since the end of ww2. The real top speed will be classified until after I'm long gone but I would wager on 30 knots flank and mid 20s full cruise. 20 is probably econo mode.
Much of the contract oversight infrastructure was ripped out back in the 90s. “To save money”, but actually to let lobbyists run wild. They still catch problems but later in the process and with oversight spread thin.
*yawn* simple fix. If you slip your contract date, all your IP goes to the next bidder. Free of charge to them. If EB can't get a ship built, we create competition by feeding their techniques and methods to upstarts and competitors. Suddenly, there's a business incentive to bid correctly, and not miss.
@@patton3rd1 Yeah, that won't happen. Just like how there's always someone willing to take your job for less pay, there's always someone willing to win a contract. Nobody competes with Electric Boat because nobody is *allowed to*. Change that, and suddenly things get built on time under budget. Think it's a joke? Go look up Eric Prince, and what he did with contracting. It works.
Should be sponsored by NAVSEA with your knowledge and information! TMC/SS Retired. We’ve lost submarines rushed into service with new cutting edge technology! Hopefully they don’t rush this submarine into service too soon! Extend the newer of the Ohio class boats and take your time to get this right! Lives could be lost!
I'm a retired NAVSEA senior engineer and used to manage the SUBSAFE Program. My experience is that technical oversight of submarine design/construction by NAVSEA is very detailed and rigorous. We never cut corners and I assume it's the same on Columbia Class. Thank you for your service!
I'm not sure if it's an optical illusion, but the maneuvering X planes looked like they were not lined up along the center line. I'm wondering, assuming it's the case, is this also to do with "pre spinning" the water? My only other thought is that if the planes are moving independently, it's possible for them to deflect water to the same place, when two planes forming a V are inclined to the center. My understanding is that having two currents meeting can cause turbulent flow, which I believe can produce noise. Having them offset slightly from each other seems like it coukd be a mitigation. Again, I could just be seeing things that aren't there. Any guess I make as to if they will be completed would be more of a gamble than your sponsor, since I don't have the info to even begin to make a judgement. My question would be "Given the issues with drydock and refit space, what would they have to bump to refit an Ohio, and how far in advance of the refit would they need to schedule it to avoid bumping something?" Because otherwise you get into a spiral where to deal with one issue you cause another one somwhere else.
Very observant of you to notice that. But on the other issue. They need to pull the trigger on the Alaska early so that they can get what is soon to be her big old behind into a drydock either in Washington State, Kings Bay, or Norfolk by 2027. Then if they can do the refit on time they will pop her out and that will allow which ever Ohio class is going away first to start decomm when Alaska gets out (but maybe in a different dock). EB doesn't do decomm and that would take man power they don't have. Kittery doesn't have a dock that is big enough. Putting Alaska into refit will negatively impact other boats getting work done in dock. We don't have a spare dock for a sub.
Perhaps more toilets and showers to better accommodate mixed gender crews but it would make things more liveable for everyone to have better facilities. Shorter lines.
Could submarines launch torpedoes out of the VLS as well? I mean the torpedo department takes a lot of space and firing torpedoes is kind of a niche case nowadays
I don't think so, the VLS silos have a special bubble hatch thing that creates an air gap so the missiles can fire from just under the surface. I think it would screw up a torpedo because it needs the water to propel itself.
It’s an entirely different launch system. I don’t think there is any way to launch any of the current torpedos vertically. Shipyard overhaul would be required to change. Not sure what you mean by niche system. Torpedoes are a boomers only defensive weapons, not to be dismissed lightly.
Fixed, external torpedo tubes have been featured on submarines in the past, but have limited utility now. A well-run torpedo room is flexible and efficient, allowing servicing of the weapons and saving weight overall, which is critical in a boat that only has a few-hundred tons of reserve bouyancy.
When you fire a torpedo the wire guidance springs out and drops behind with a small chance of breaking the wire if too fast. If you fired up from a VLS the wire drops onto the sub and can snag and break on a whole lot of things including all the control surfaces and screw at the back.
Back in the late 80s, early 90s, all the talk was about how CAD/CAM was going to speed development and production of new systems. After all that time I can confidently say it has done no such thing.
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@@VoltsandVodka yep, thats just sad. Selling your viewers like that.
What a coincidence.....I was just reading a article released 5 hours ago on "STRATEGIC FRONTIER" website regarding India's recently approved "PROJECT 77" Nuclear attack submarines. Where COLUMBIA CLASS SSN were mentioned as an example to explain NUCLEAR-ELECTRIC PROPULSION...... Looks like India will have Nuclear electric propulsion technology in their "PROJECT 77 SSN" and "S-5 CLASS SSBN" programs combined with 190MW Nuclear reactor.
@@VoltsandVodkano one is forcing you to get it lol let the man make some money
pro tip from someone who has had to unmask a media source for a client. Never gender your source.
We got Sub Brief being sponsored by gambling before gta 6 thats crazy.
Who tf cares. These are adult topics lol
@ i Dont know who cares Flaco, do you ? Lol
@@EspacioInterpretadoBrother you are not an intellect person. Don’t project on me.
@@FlacoFlo i Didnt imply anything brother, what do you mean ?
Irresponsible and desperate
Gambling ads ? 100% illegal in EU ! :D
Lol so
It was a sponsor, not an ad, if it had been an ad we would not have seen it, but because it is part of the video as a sponsor it gets through.
@@krashd Doesn't matter. Its illegal advertisment in Most if not all EU membestates to even mention gambling without specific compliance messages for each memberstate in their respective language.
@@stijnvandamme76 No wonder nothing actually gets done in the EU lol. Bureaucracy makes it move at the speed of a glacier!
EU bows to USA
I served aboard USS Glenard P. Lipscomb SSN 685 in the late 1980s. She was the US Navy’s second attempt at turbo-electric drive. They never did work the bugs out of that propulsion system. I hope that they have thought this one through and carry forward lessons learned from Lipscomb and Tullibee.
I was going to remind him of the GPL. Tullibee was stationed at SubBase New London when I was in Sub-School and I got an unclassified tour. Cool concept, but way too tiny for me.
@@karlbrundage7472 I went to prototype at S1C, just north of Hartford, Ct. It was an interesting plant, but very tiny (78 MW). The Tullibee had an S2C plant, and I doubt if it was much bigger. From the tales I heard, it had a hard time putting to sea against an incoming tide. This monster is going to have to have a MUCH bigger plant. Should be interesting.
Our company did cycloconverter drives for industrial products, back in the 1980's. 10's of thousands of horsepower. How in the world can they Not do this now? This is some kind of DEI failure. Nobody could be this stupid, unless on purpose.
@@brunonikodemski2420 The word I got is that they're going to scrap the electric motor via shaft and go with busses to the propulsor, using the rotor/stator system to power the drive.
If so, very cool...........
God Bless the Silent Service!
They never should have closed the Naval shipyards like Philly!
The problem was that yards like Portsmouth, Mare Island, etc. made a series of ridiculous errors and gained reputations for poor build-quality .
Mare Island even managed to sink the Guitarro pierside (Google "The Mare Island Mud Puppy") and Portsmouth lost a boat, crew and a bunch of their troubleshooters aboard Thresher.
When you go for a dive on a nuclear submarine you want to have confidence in the people who built it.........
Yeah they could have brought in contractors to operate them if necessary but they really needed to keep the capacity.
@@stupidburp First two years of service should be in the yard!
Absolutely this.
@@wayne5447 LOL, the Us military still refused to clean up the unexploded ordinance in countries like Laos and Vietnam along with the agent orange.
Sheesh man, Im a bit disappointed you had to have a gambling site sponsor
Same thought.
It's horrible.
The 50 cent army got him demonetised, so he has to earn him some money somehow. Gambling (except for Powerball jackpots lol) is not for me but I've got no problem with people gambling online.
@@item6931 WTF? What's the story?
Pussies! Gambling is cool.
Im a huge fan Aaron but an online casino is NOT the way to go man. I understand that money is money and putting out great content costs money but online gambling is destroying lives left right and centre. Id rather up my patreon amount tbh (been supporting since 2018 ;) )
Always interesting to see the peer comparisons for our (UK) upcoming SSBN class, Dreadnaught.
India also recently approved construction of "PROJECT 77 SSN" which will have similar Nuclear Turbo electric drive + pump jet propulsion as Dreadnought and Columbia class.
Same technology will be used in India's next generation "S-5 CLASS SSBN"
@@BRAHMOSPOWER Will they come with toilets or just a designated bunk?
@@Compulsive_LARPer No......they just have guy like you who eat all 💩💩💩
The UK is using the same reactor and the same missile compartment as far as I know.
12 tubes instead of 16 makes sense for a force with a much smaller stockpile and should still be plenty. A flatter top is probably better for hiding from airborne sensors in shallow waters. Columbia seems more focused on staying in deep water most of the time. Different strengths but both are awesome.
I don't know about this "Wunderwaffe" strategy the Navy has going. The assets they are deploying are gargantuan, take forever to build and are essentially irreplaceable. Maybe building smaller assets in greater numbers would be better. All of these megaproject subs and carriers work great in peacetime, but if we go to war with China or Russia *and* China, these things might become too valuable and vulnerable to risk deploying. Maybe we ought to have a set of pre-approved designs that our industry can kick out quickly that we implement at the outbreak of peer-level war. Or maybe we should start now.
What industry?
All you have is lobbyists for megaprojects and facilities that drain the public purse. Everything else was outsourced.
You dont know what Wunderwaffe means.
@@LordRambo b2 bombers.
Maybe it's an approach to counter the the falling number of apllicants in the armed forces? To become an qualified submarine sailor you need lots of expensive training. So maybe that is why the Navy is choosing the "Wunderwaffe" strategy. Few very capable systems that not easy to neutralize but if one is gone, you simply lost the gamble...
@@50megatondiplomat28 go buy your strike gum
Possibly the smart thing to do would be to extend the Alaska anyway, as a backstop to any of the following on boats being delayed
At the cost of how much?
The question is more about that impact of not extending Alaska. Would it mean there would be no at sea missile boats? Would it matter if the other 2 arms of the triad are still around?
Trump is gonna extend the budget to 1 trillion and everyone will get their new toys
@@Emperorvalse Everyone agrees that the "triad" really only has the boomers as the fail-safe deterrent. B-52s would never get near their potential targets, even if they managed to get airborne and away from their bases and the "missile farms" are easily targeted by modern near-peer ICBMs.
An Ohio-class SSBN goes to sea, submerges a few miles off the coast.......... And disappears.
One of the SSNs I served aboard was used to exercise the crews of the boomers before they deployed, operating as a "red" sub hunting for them. The reason we were selected for the task is because we had won the "Battle 'E'" two years in a row and were considered the "hot boat" of the base.
Those exercises were fun and challenging, and made it clear that a well-run and maintained boomer is practically a hole in the water............
I think that they should refit all of the Ohios. If Columbia is on time, make them all SSGN Tomahawk spam boats. If there are delays, then one or more stay SSBNs. The US Navy has long been concerned about the number of conventional missile tubes available in the active forces.
@ problem is the Ohios all are all nearing the end of their lives. It would be extremely expensive to extend them all. Those that have been already converted to SSGNs are to be replaced by Block V Virginia Class with the Virginia Payload Module, giving them a significant cruise missile capability.
That is one enormous boat. The scale of it is just nuts.
Thanks!
If this boat is enormous then the Typhoons were absolutely gargantuan.
@@krashd They absolutely were.
@@krashd A gargantuan trench coat with three smaller subs inside. 😂
Aaron please don’t support gambling- it’s a real addiction and just an overall drag on our economy
We all pray 🙏
We can't trust adults to be responsible for themselves anymore, pretty sad. Gambling is the only thing we blame the "substance" for the addiction. Gambling isn't evil and neither are alcohol companies or otherwise.
@ you realize people get addicted to the chemical reactions that occur in their brains when they take the risks… some folks just have a worse genetic predisposition to it. It’s not that they’re somehow bad or weak
@@robanson32 just because a small minority of people cannot control themselves does not mean the rest of society should be punished especially because the overwhelming majority of people are reasonably responsible.
I will concede that gambling addiction is one of the most destructive addictions but the response shouldn't be to outlaw or restrict gambling. We are a country that values dangerous freedom over safe tyranny. If we want to help people who have an addiction we can add protections to the existing laws or find other ways to achieve the desired outcomes without the threat of force through legislation.
@@ImperiumLibertas Restricting pro-gambling ads for the young teens here on RUclips is "safe tyranny"?
It's your thinking that is the "small minority", mate.
They need to take as long as necessary to make sure the water stays out of the people tank.
🇨🇳 didn't get the memo & sunk a brand new boat while it was being built. For all our faults, we still get that part right.
@@corvanphoenix Didn't one of your massive helicopter carriers burn to the ground in drydock a couple of years back losing the US something like 9 billion dollars? You didn't get that right.
@@krashdarson is kinda different from just sloppy building
Thank Jive Turkey!
More graving docks. More drydocks. More building infrastructure. We need it now. We needed it over a decade ago. Do it or regret it for as long as we exist as a country. The Navy "leaderships" is not a thing I have great confidence in. I actually have very, very low expectations for their core competency and this disturbs me greatly. Someone, somewhere needs to motivate a bunch of folks to give a good golly gosh darn it about actually building and floating useful ships and quit yipping amongst themselves about "being nice to one another" and "some day we will have useful ships... really...." Thank you again for keeping us updated.
Peaceful Skies
Uncle Jive the Cold Waters King
You should perhaps screen your sponsorships with more scrutiny.
The size of these beasts is just incredible. Had no idea they were that large.
thanks - those quad packs really show the scale involved
Matt Sermon looks like a Level 12 Mage.
Definitely summons stuff from the deep that you do not want to be in opposition of.
My guess is they'll go ahead with the life extension upgrade. A gap in nuclear capabilities would be too dangerous I think.
Matt Sermon definitely looks qualified to comment on different kinds of subs. His two favorites are the Philadelphia Class, and Hero Class. Sometimes the Pastrami Class.
Really appreciate the smiley faced missile.
What interesting is the U.K. will have their new SSBN in service first before Columbia. Sharing the missile compartment, missile and no doubt some other parts. The Royal Navy may have already worked out some of the bugs with new systems on both classes
Really? I didn't think the first Dreadnought would be finished before 2030.
@ trying to get actual dates is a bit tricky. Commissioned in early 2030 is the aim point. It will have a few years of testing in the water before then I think. It’s pressure hull is complete
We may just have to wait and see what boat makes it first.
Why does the Navy always seem to wait until the point of crisis to replace ships? Why not be a little early? Surely Congress and the public would see value in that.
Nope.
Always love seeing new content, gaming or briefs!
Cool! Just from model railroad knowledge, I would say that if a few itty bitty tiny gears in a model train can quickly wear out and make a vast ammount of white noise, that a giant gearbox system in a submarine would sound like a rock concert over time 😅
Gambling sponsor? I’d rather you took money from Russia or China, quite honestly
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The entire mfg and procurement process for the DoD and subjective departments of the US Military are crazy.
I got to watch USS Columbia's rear hull section with the X fins already installed being barged to Quonset Point a few months ago from jetty at URI's Bay Campus (where I met Dr. Ballard more than a year ago, interesting side note). They shut down the bridge from Narragansett to Johnston when it passed under, for security reasons I assume. I know some welders down there also and they can't say much more than, "Yeah, we're putting the hull together here."
So Northrop Grumman was fined 500 million Dollars since they effed the entire system right? I'm calling the D.O.G.E.
I find the video very interesting.
The new generator (turbine) and electric motor system is very similar to the Chinese system and different at the same time, because the American submarine displaces 10 times more than the Chinese model (the Chinese model is designed to generate much less thrust and more energy (Residual energy is used to recharge the batteries. ), proportionally, and the American system I imagine will be on a much larger scale: 10 or 20 times more?). But I find the step of eliminating the gears interesting.
I have personally seen the gear systems of warships and I always thought it was crazy to transfer thousands of horsepower through mechanical gears at those speeds.
The new control surfaces also seem to me to be a great success, I had only seen it in much smaller submarines, I am sure that it greatly improves their maneuverability.
What has surprised me a lot is the mixed propulsion system. I have seen similar systems on surface ships, but never on a submarine… it will be interesting to see how it absorbs water to use in the jets, the maintenance of these systems is always very high, what volume it displaces with the pumps and the noise it can generate and where they will place the water intakes and outlets of the system. The sonar must be incredible to see. How many sensors can a sonar of that size have?
Well over 10k hydrophones.
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I get to look at a C-4 every Monday. Very cool, and sobering.
Love the content!! I know little about the Colombia Class. Thanks!
Hopefully the Navy also adds a smiley face emoji painted on the top of the missile as you show here
Thanks brother, happy Thanksgiving; Sempir Forits.
EB make a dead line? My aren't you the glass is half full guy suddenly. Of course they will make the dead line... after they revise it... twice.
Only twice? 😂
Hey Capt’n, love ya videos. Miss you from cold waters.
I'm curious. The new SSBN has almost the identical overall dimensions to the Ohio, albeit a single foot wider in the beam as I recall. It loses 8 missile tubes and the aforementioned mechanical gearing in favour of the new electric drive train, so where does the extra 2,000 ton displacement come from?
The electric transmission itself. It adds a lot of weight. Well it probably shouldn't add 2000 tons, but being wider by a foot contributes in that too.
Like the next generation SSN's the next generation SSBN's are carrying more equipment for underwater combat; more sensors, underwater drones and aerial drones, more stores to sustain longer deployments.
Probably propulsion and accommodation for female berthing is my guess.
Maybe it's the weight of new Nuclear reactor which meant for lifetime supply of Nuclear fuel...... Ohio class SSBN needs mid-life refueling on nuclear fuel.
Really good question, the ancolic coating should account for some , but your loosing about 5000 tons for 8 less missiles plus the tubes. Has to be all engineering.
I got kicked out of the Golden Nugget Casino in Vegas, 1981, as a young 18yr old Marine for simply being on the floor. How the heck was I supposed to know that? 😂
Schedules are always unrealistic. Slips are no surprise.
11:30 - I used to work for the subcontractor that produces and supports the sled that quad-pack is on. I can say that I witnessed GD-EB not using the fixtures correctly, resulting in prolonged production of hull modules. It’s not solely a supply issue.
I hope you still have a security clearance after publicly disclosing you work on sensitive systems.
That cute Chinese girl next week will love you long time, I am sure
@ I’ve had and maintained security clearance status and eligibility since 2002. The specific information I dealt with wasn’t controlled by itself, I was just in areas where exposure to other information could have happened.
If people dont know that all us subs are nuclear-powered then they dont watch this channel.
Why is this sub so much larger than the Ohio but carries fewer Trident missiles, 16 v 20?
24 Originally; but very good question
I guess the difference is because it has other mission specific equipment and capabilities other then carrying icbms. The true answer is most likely classified.
I believe current treaty requirements dropped the maximum ICBMs to 16 in the same way 4 Ohios were converted to SSGMs.
A thought... It Could be a signed treaty 10 to 20+ yrs. ago. That there would be reduction on the number of launch capacity for any new boats or platforms?
It's a guess...
The treaty limited the total number of launch silos, which does include SLBM tubes. The reduction of used tubes in the SSBN Ohios and conversion of the SSGN Ohios are affected by that. The current SSBNs do not use all of their tubes, total number was then transferred onto the Columbias.
Maybe I missed it but the Columbia class also has a reactor that is good to go for the service life of the hull (42 years if my memory is correct). This means more time at sea and allows some economy in the hull design and construction costs since mid-life access to the reactor is unnecessary.
More Borei under construction in Russia, we're building the Columbias, France is building the SNLE 3G SSBNs, the UK is heading forward with the Dreadnoughts and China is already working on the successor to the Type 094A.
I'm honest, it's interesting to see a new generation of SSBNs around the world being rolled out in roughly the same era.
+India
What a coincidence.....I was just reading a article released 5 hours ago on "STRATEGIC FRONTIER" website regarding India's recently approved "PROJECT 77" Nuclear attack submarines. Where COLUMBIA CLASS SSN were mentioned as an example to explain NUCLEAR-ELECTRIC PROPULSION...... Looks like India will have Nuclear electric propulsion technology in their "PROJECT 77 SSN" and "S-5 CLASS SSBN" programs combined with 190MW Nuclear reactor.
It'll be very interesting to see how they go, particularly in the SSN. It should cause 🇨🇳 serious problems. I'm 🇦🇺, so I hope 🇮🇳's next-gen subs kick ass!!
D.E.I. is killing our Shipbuilding industry. I see it EVERYDAY at Ingalls Shipbuilding. Its getting bad!
The Mechanical Drive we call it "Direct Drive".
Btw water pre-vortex feature on those X-planes is interesting.
Very fitting that this troubled sub is a weapon and is named after a place where the citizens are not allowed to be armed with a weapon.
@@ImNotPotus hahahahahahahaha!!!!!….GOOD ONE!!!
Whatever happened to the experimental caterpillar drive? Didn't work out?
The new surface plane configuration can also allow for some braking action when slowing down or stopping immediately is needed.
Great place for DOGE to look into.
First hull in class is always behind scheduele and overbudget.
seeme like he needs to get a DOGE review. in fact many programs need a DOGE review.
I'm surprised someone is allowed to talk about the Columbia class . I'm part of the project , and I'm on a need to know basis ( look at blueprints , designs ) and still I'm only allowed to talk about it to the welders and superintendent of the project .
Good report!
wonder if GN gaming is posting odds on the Columbia meeting its milestones
Virginias now to be built until batch 8 in 2040 with no funds available for developing the next SSN that was originally supposed to enter service in the early 2030's but is not now expected to enter service until 2042!!!
We should build some AUKUS subs to keep numbers up without adding more development costs. They could be built starting in the late 2030s.
Notice, no photos of the physical propeller.... Propeller is the magic sauce for the sub!
In that style system it would be an impeller not propeller
@danreuther1446 and this is why I am not a submariner, and also why I watch this channel. I can always learn something new!
Grumman is late? OH SAY it ain't so! What else is new? Grumman has been late on EVERYTHING!
Good brief. Does anyone else remember the USS Lipscolmb (SSN-685)? Our first foray into turbine electric propulsion in the 1970s. I worked on her Propulsion Turbine Generators (PTGs) in Norfolk Naval Shipyard in the 1980s. Big prolems with electric arcing across the PTG journal bearings.
This is outstanding!
6:00 Generally, longer boats require less power per unit of displacement.
But it's a submarine I dont think ship waves affect them
@@cideltacommand7169 No, but cross sectional area still does.
@@TheDuckofDoom. Yes, but you can use the extra space to simply have a bigger reactor.
This sub & the uk dreadnought class nuclear subs are near enough the same with a lot of joint development projects in the design stages & just a few differences for specific reasons each countries navy wanted & has many joint developed & shared components which also includes the future trident missile replacement projects
My simple brain wonders why this submarine must be even larger and carry more than the Ohio but also why it needs a different sonar compared to the Virginia?
Is the added cost truly worth it?
Cramming more and more electronics, gizmos, and batteries inside the hull. The independent X dive plane configuration already adds more complexity in design and space needed to house the internal parts to make that work over the cross configuration. I can only imagine the electric direct drive motor (and the cooling system needed to keep it going in a sub) replacing the reduction gears is a substantial piece of hardware as well in size and weight. The SONAR is just the next evolution in technology considering Virginia's is most likely based on a late 1990's/early 2000's design and tech.
Why only 16 missiles instead of 20 or 24 like the Ohio?
Doesn’t make sense, these are bigger too. Maybe something classified taking up that extra room?
Active stockpile is smaller now. If we want to grow it again we can build some extra boats.
The size is probably related to improving living spaces for better longevity with more food and better living conditions. Maybe more showers and more toilets for example.
Treaty.
Thanks everyone
Mate..Why would you support a Gambling site??? Love your content NOT who you chose to support advertiser/sponsorship.
WOW, electric drive, wonder how many sstg they will have.... TY for update
I am glad you have sponsors. It’s a terrific program.
EB hopefully will get the message that gravy train isn’t going to refilled unless they meet their goals…
Bigger, yet carries less SLBM? WTF, good job.
Praying we get this program right!!! Because they've beyond messed up the Littoral Ship and the FFG Constellation class.... And the FFGs we need badly along with new CGs or CGNs.
Flight III Burkes and DDG(X) will fill the role of our to be retired cruisers.
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire That might be true but you still don't have enough ships to go all around for escort.... 96x should be the absolute minimum of AEGIS equipped AAW platforms based off how many CVNs and LHDs we have..... Let alone we have zero convoy and support ship escort FFGs anymore.
Good Lord, that thing is a monster. It will be interesting to see if the turbo electric thing works out. There's always advantages and disadvantages with anything like that. Though the advantages are probably significant if it works out. I'm also pretty certain it will be a fair bit faster than they're going to admit, for obvious reasons. It is amazing just how much stuff is going on inside one of those.
16 missiles away, a mushroom cloud, and its miller time. MMC/SS AGANG RET.
It would be cool if they named all of the Columbia class boats after things named Columbia. As in, Columbia River, Columbia Mountain and so on.
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Wasnt Vegas against betting outside of Vegas for a while?
The Northrop emoployees in my building never look happy lol except for all the college interns
20 knot passing the smell test
20 knots hasn't been a design challenge since the end of ww2. The real top speed will be classified until after I'm long gone but I would wager on 30 knots flank and mid 20s full cruise. 20 is probably econo mode.
Add two of these to the AUKUS mix with conventional TLAM and TASM. Would cause the Chinese to wig out big time.
basically they use the same tech as before but 10x the price..
Why is the government allowing these contractors to get away with it?
Much of the contract oversight infrastructure was ripped out back in the 90s. “To save money”, but actually to let lobbyists run wild. They still catch problems but later in the process and with oversight spread thin.
@stupidburp sounds like that needs to change.
Easy to spend other people's money.
How large are the hatches on the Columbia class? Doesn't look like Matt will be doing an in person investigation of delays.
I assume painting a smiley face on your nuclear missile is in the interests of diplomacy.....right?
What is the penalty for NG for being late with the turbines?
*yawn* simple fix. If you slip your contract date, all your IP goes to the next bidder. Free of charge to them. If EB can't get a ship built, we create competition by feeding their techniques and methods to upstarts and competitors. Suddenly, there's a business incentive to bid correctly, and not miss.
Who's going to pass that law when the politicians are bought and paid for?
And what happens when the companies no-bid your contracts?
Suddenly, nobody bids anymore because the risk of losing all the R&D is too costly
@@patton3rd1 Yeah, that won't happen. Just like how there's always someone willing to take your job for less pay, there's always someone willing to win a contract. Nobody competes with Electric Boat because nobody is *allowed to*. Change that, and suddenly things get built on time under budget. Think it's a joke? Go look up Eric Prince, and what he did with contracting. It works.
@@patton3rd1 Exactly.
Should be sponsored by NAVSEA with your knowledge and information! TMC/SS Retired. We’ve lost submarines rushed into service with new cutting edge technology! Hopefully they don’t rush this submarine into service too soon! Extend the newer of the Ohio class boats and take your time to get this right! Lives could be lost!
I'm a retired NAVSEA senior engineer and used to manage the SUBSAFE Program. My experience is that technical oversight of submarine design/construction by NAVSEA is very detailed and rigorous. We never cut corners and I assume it's the same on Columbia Class. Thank you for your service!
@kevincook1018 Thank you for keeping us safe out there! Reassuring to know!
I'm not sure if it's an optical illusion, but the maneuvering X planes looked like they were not lined up along the center line. I'm wondering, assuming it's the case, is this also to do with "pre spinning" the water? My only other thought is that if the planes are moving independently, it's possible for them to deflect water to the same place, when two planes forming a V are inclined to the center. My understanding is that having two currents meeting can cause turbulent flow, which I believe can produce noise. Having them offset slightly from each other seems like it coukd be a mitigation.
Again, I could just be seeing things that aren't there.
Any guess I make as to if they will be completed would be more of a gamble than your sponsor, since I don't have the info to even begin to make a judgement.
My question would be "Given the issues with drydock and refit space, what would they have to bump to refit an Ohio, and how far in advance of the refit would they need to schedule it to avoid bumping something?" Because otherwise you get into a spiral where to deal with one issue you cause another one somwhere else.
Very observant of you to notice that. But on the other issue. They need to pull the trigger on the Alaska early so that they can get what is soon to be her big old behind into a drydock either in Washington State, Kings Bay, or Norfolk by 2027. Then if they can do the refit on time they will pop her out and that will allow which ever Ohio class is going away first to start decomm when Alaska gets out (but maybe in a different dock). EB doesn't do decomm and that would take man power they don't have. Kittery doesn't have a dock that is big enough. Putting Alaska into refit will negatively impact other boats getting work done in dock. We don't have a spare dock for a sub.
Maybe the EDI requirements demand much more space?
Perhaps more toilets and showers to better accommodate mixed gender crews but it would make things more liveable for everyone to have better facilities. Shorter lines.
Could submarines launch torpedoes out of the VLS as well? I mean the torpedo department takes a lot of space and firing torpedoes is kind of a niche case nowadays
I don't think so, the VLS silos have a special bubble hatch thing that creates an air gap so the missiles can fire from just under the surface. I think it would screw up a torpedo because it needs the water to propel itself.
It’s an entirely different launch system. I don’t think there is any way to launch any of the current torpedos vertically. Shipyard overhaul would be required to change.
Not sure what you mean by niche system. Torpedoes are a boomers only defensive weapons, not to be dismissed lightly.
Fixed, external torpedo tubes have been featured on submarines in the past, but have limited utility now. A well-run torpedo room is flexible and efficient, allowing servicing of the weapons and saving weight overall, which is critical in a boat that only has a few-hundred tons of reserve bouyancy.
When you fire a torpedo the wire guidance springs out and drops behind with a small chance of breaking the wire if too fast. If you fired up from a VLS the wire drops onto the sub and can snag and break on a whole lot of things including all the control surfaces and screw at the back.
@@stevepirie8130 i imagine a future where all torpedoes are delivered via something like an ASROC
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Gee, the MIC is behind. Astonishing. No, really, cant you hear the soncerity?
16 missiles? Why is it so friggin big for 16 missiles? OHhhh I see. The rest is likely full of spec ops.
Can you do a quick comparison to the typhoon class . In size .
Back in the late 80s, early 90s, all the talk was about how CAD/CAM was going to speed development and production of new systems. After all that time I can confidently say it has done no such thing.
Good stuff
Pretty disappointed to see a gambling sponsor on this channel
Can’t wait for no actual information on how US subs work