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Dred Scott v Sandford is not the worst Decision of The SCOTUS.... Though it is certainly up there in the top 10 with Korematzu v United States and Kelo v New London. I would say Roe v Wade was. Simply because it caused the deaths of Millions of unborn children.
Law is so bizarre sometimes. Having to prove that you're a slave just so you can win your freedom (from being a slave). Dred must of been pulling his hair out for that entire decade. Another great video!
+Cogito - Curiosity Visualised Thanks a bunch. Poor Dred. I just can't even begin to imagine what he and his family went through, and through it all never stopped fighting.
No harm intended, but European Americans are always playing dumb when it come to our people human rights. Technically our people aren’t even suppose to be affiliated with any of your laws. Your one sided treaties was a trick your ancestors used all around the world. Peace
@@standforchange08 The triangle trade depended on African lords selling slaves for guns and gin. Hell, the freedmen that went back to Africa to form Liberia ended up setting up a racial caste system so blaming one race is kinda silly.
Having read their dissents the court made two big errors. It read into the founders the values of the 1850s South. Curtis points out that five states allowed blacks to vote when the Constitution was ratified and thus were citizens per the Constitution. Secondly, they took a case and ruled on the merits after declaring that Dred lacked standing, which violated court and legal doctrine. McLean points this out. If all of this wasnt bad enough Buchanan was knowledgeable of the ruling before it was issued implying that Taney collaborated with the White House and Buchanan in turn got the Northern Democrat Justices on board with it. So number three would be violation of separation of powers.
Oh my God this sounds incredibly infuriating In the Free state, the State Court goes "if you aren't Irene's slaves.. how do you prove otherwise?" In the slave state, the court goes "Yep, you both are definitely her slave" In the Federal court, they go "Wait, you aren't even citizens! How are you two suing an American Citizen? You both are definitely slaves" My God, it's really pulled my hair
@@cammywammy420 it wasn't just that. It was so Byzantine that in the end it caused more harm than good. The decisions of these three courts the United States would face the worse war we had ever fought. Thankfully the North won.
@@MrJesseQuinn The stances and demographics of the parties have changed throughout history. The democrats being proponents for a stronger federal government and social programs got solidified in the 30s with FDR and the new deal. White racist southerners left the democrat party during the civil rights movement and joined the Republican party. Nixon and Reagan solidified the stances of the Republican Party. Limited Government, traditional values, and trickle-down economics. While it's true the democrats in the south fought for slavery and founded the kkk, their racist great grandchildren vote for Republicans today. A modern kkk member would never vote for a democrat now.
@@bforthigh1617 I agree with the history in your answer. Yes many modern KKK are right leaning but they're alt-right and we don't consider them part of the party or associate with their views similar in the way Muslims don't associate with radical Muslims. Like radical Muslims, the KKK they are the vast minority of the entire group. Despite demographic shifts in the parties, Republicans and Democrats still have the same values. Democrats have always been the party of control in some way, if not slavery then by the expansion big government via social programs. These social programs in the name of social justice have been shown to be ineffective. For example, welfare. Since it's inception in the mid 1960's we have spent over 6 trillion combating poverty yet the poverty rate has remained between 11-15% while at the same time destroying the lives of the very people it's proclaiming to help. The reason Republicans are against these programs is because we believe an individual can best be economically sound without the governments help and instead by his/her merit. It's no surprise that study after study shows that Republicans fair better economically in life as well as being happier and more fullfilled than their Democratic counterparts.
It was legal, Constitutional, and normal. Slavery has been a part of society since the earliest civilizations. It was legal in places until the 1980's. Imagine in the future when they look back and say those people wasted valuable petroleum burning in engines just to travel. How could they do that? Just go buy it and burn it!! You have to look at history in its context and not from your 21st century prejudices and bigotry. They had no machinery. Everything had to be done by hand. No mechanized farming. Farm animals like horses, mules, slaves, and oxen did much of the work. Slaves were treated very well back then because slaves cost about 10 times the price of a horse or the same as 100 acres of land. They were too expensive to mistreat. Slaves were only punished for serious crimes like sabotage, arson, injuring other slaves, etc. Only the evil slaves were punished for their crimes. You almost never hear of a farmer mistreating his animals or someone mistreating their dog (unless they are a weirdo psycho).
Not really. It was later on that happened. It is often contributed to the 1950s when southern democrats left and migrated to the Republican party. However, most no votes in the 1968 civil rights act were Democrats. The Democrats also founded the KKK. Democrats have painted a false picture of Republicans that has stuck. I am more libertarian in my leaning. A traditional classic liberal.
+The Sports If you're talking about the party affiliations of the 9 Supreme Court Justices at the time of the Dred Scott decision, you almost got it right. There were: 7 Democrats (Taney, Wayne, Catron, Daniel, Nelson, Grier, Campbell), 1 Whig (Curtis), 1 Republican (McLean).
@@RP-16 that's not when it happened. The founding of KKK was Democrat. They had the most people who voted against civil rights legislation. They also led the revival of the KKK in the 40s. They not only originally founded the original KKK, but revived it over a decade after The Great Depression. To make this clear almost every major civil rights law pre 1980 had more Democrats voting against it by both number and percentage. A large portion of these Democrats were southern Democrats. The Democrats have pulled the wool over the eyes of the American people. I am not a Republican by the way. I am more a classic liberal.
"Justice Taney" was actually Chief Justice Taney. This Supreme Court is known in Property and Constitutional law courses as the "Taney Court" (all Courts are identified by the presiding Chief Justice). It's especially important to notice that Abraham Lincoln, and Congress at large, was reviewing this decision in depth. CJ Taney made sure to distinguish a constitutional difference between "persons" and "citizens" which applied not just to slaves, but also to women, men who were not property owners, etc. Taney's decision essentially disallowed ANY black person from ever becoming a citizen. Congress and Lincoln recognized the legal issues here, which prompted the necessity for three entirely new amendments (13th, 14th, and 15th) to the US Constitution. This decision is a sad reminder that the US Constitution did identify slavery in states and would require an amendment to change that. One last point: the Taney Court recognized a jurisdictional problem in the case -- since they could not identify Dred Scott as a US citizen, he had no standing to sue in federal court. The case should have ended right there, but the Taney Court decided to use this case to invalidate the Missouri Compromise and solidify slavery in the United States. Some legal analysts wonder if Taney was using this case to get Congress to recognize they had to change the Constitution, or if he was simply a racist, activist Chief Justice. Either way, CJ Taney is an early example of originalism in analyzing the Constitution.
+Jett For President My pleasure. It's one I thought I already knew a lot about, but learned quite a bit more researching for this video. It's amazing what the Scotts had to go through.
I never even imagined the reality that some states allowed slaves and some didn’t, at the same time and so close. I get both sides a little better. I like that the “worst Supreme Court” decision involved a man named Dred
Scott vs. Sanford was one of the most egregious cases of the U.S. Supreme Court. This case, plus the panic of 1857, is what would trigger the Civil War.
I mean, according to the reasoning Sanford was sided with, the case should have been thrown out on the technicality that Scott wasn't a citizen, right? Something doesn't add up?
@@scottgrasser9475 They followed the law (besides how such a case should never have happened based on the technicality), and that's all a justice is meant to do.
@@the4tierbridge yea sorry but the law was at the time not that a black person can never be a person they were bigoted white's who added that to be bigots the idea that justices have and will just follow the law is frankly bullshit there people and are just as capable of corruptly following a political agenda as anyone
@@scottgrasser9475 Then explain the law at the time... I'll wait. PS: That is what justices are supposed to do. Determine what laws mean based on other laws.
@@the4tierbridge basically the entire constitution...many future justices have noted there bigotry in making there call as well as massive flaws in the logic used in the decision as was pointed out by the highest courts own logic the case should not have been done in the first place and the very court case itself violated the constitution (if he was not a person as they declared then the lower cases should have been dismissed and without those cases the highest court by its own rules could not have dealt with the issue ) if even one state considered an African American a citizen, then the Constitution required that all states, and by inference also the federal government, had to accord that person “all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States” (Article IV, Section 2), which includes the right to sue in federal court thus as pointed out above the constatution said that they were citizens...that was the law and the highest court furthermore the court overstepped its bounds by ruling on issues on the matter that were not even up for deciding holding that Scott had never been free and that Congress had in fact exceeded its authority in the Missouri Compromise because it had no power to forbid or abolish slavery in the territories that was not even part of the case and the court had no right to arbitrarily even consider it at the time as well the court ignored the wording of the constitution to ignore the ambiguity to force the idea blacks were not and could not be citizens (no part of the constitution forbid a black being a citizen) historians and law experts have widely agreed the court had by the order of the law made the wrong choice and even had no right to make many of the choices it did the leader of the court at the time basically the entire constitution...many future justices have noted there bigotry in making there call as well as massive flaws in the logic used in the decision as was pointed out by the highest courts own logic the case should not have been done in the first place and the very court case itself violated the constitution (if he was not a person as they declared then the lower cases should have been dismissed and without those cases the highest court by its own rules could not have dealt with the issue ) if even one state considered an African American a citizen, then the Constitution required that all states, and by inference also the federal government, had to accord that person “all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States” (Article IV, Section 2), which includes the right to sue in federal court thus as pointed out above the constatution said that they were citizens...that was the law and the highest court furthermore the court overstepped its bounds by ruling on issues on the matter that were not even up for deciding holding that Scott had never been free and that Congress had in fact exceeded its authority in the Missouri Compromise because it had no power to forbid or abolish slavery in the territories that was not even part of the case and the court had no right to arbitrarily even consider it at the time the leader of the court at the time Roger B taney was well known for his poor following of the law and often ruling based on bigoted feelings as well as being overly political (he was less a judge and more a political figure during his life)
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Fun Fact: Montgomery Blair, who argued in favor of Dred Scott, was a leading lawyer in both Missouri and Maryland! Also, from 1861-64, he would be Postmaster General in the Lincoln Cabinet. One more thing: In 1864, he would be strongly considered by Lincoln for the Taney vacancy on the Supreme Court which went to Salmon Chase.
Fun fact: Justice Grier was actually from Pennsylvania the home state of President Buchanan at the time. Never a man of much conviction he decided he wanted to persuade Grier that it was alright to have slaves so he could appease the southern states which were already well on the way to succession by this point. He effectively messed with the separation of powers, a key fundamental to our Republic.
Imagine the law giving the rights to your own person, the flesh you’re made of, to someone else. It’s crazy to think we used to be a country where an individual could have the right to their own body abused and revoked by legal entities you have no say in. Glad THAT doesn’t happen anymore, ammiright? 😪
Sadly it dose still happen human trafficking is definitely slavery and it is still very much alive today we will never have a perfect world. And what happend to this man and his family is horrific.
It does still happen today and the Dems are full throated supporters of it. Think Roe v Wade. The left agrees that there is not a lot her person and so the baby's rights (and life) are given to the mother and she gets to decide life or death. And while slavery is a stain on our history, it's not nearly as horrific as abortion
Amazingly, the Dred Scott ruling was a major 2nd Amendment upholding ruling as well. It held that the protections under the 2nd Amendment extended to US. Territories. When researching the 2nd amendment for a Argumentative Research Essay in English Composition, I learned that this was the first case to directly deal with the 2nd Amendment.
Are…you…kidding…me?!?! I’m not sure what your “fact” is implying, but judging by the vagueness of whatever you “found” because you gave no evidence of anything. Plus I’m not sure what to make of your pic either! Judging by the vagueness of the comment plus the misdirection I’m willing to put at least $20 on that your pic and views are at least part of the “great replacement theory” Stay on topic!!!
If a Supreme Court decision like Dred Scott v. Sanford is so bad that it made a justice leave his position, then the court is doing something wrong (obviously)
There is another aspect of this case that you are forgetting about. How Lincoln one of the people who was against it the most , found it wrong and dangerous and seeked to have it overturned still abided it by it. BECAUSE it was a supreme court decision, and should berespected until the court said otherwise. ""We think it's [the supreme court's] decision's on Constitutional questions, when fully settled, should control, not only the particular cases decided but the general policy of the country, subject to be disturbed only by amendments of the Constitution as provided in that instrument itself," Lincoln said. And leaving no doubt to his view on the supremacy of Supreme Court decisions , he then continued. "More than this would be revolution. But we think the Dread Scott decision is Erroneous. We know the court has made it, has often over-ruled it's own decisions, and we shall do what we can to have it over rule this. We offer no resistance to it. This closed the loop on Marbury vs Madison: No matter how difficult the circumstances, no matter how entrenched the personal agreements, the United States was to be a government of laws not men." That Lincoln quote and the text surrounding it from tthe 2ns revised & updated edition of The Supremes' Greatest Hits: The 44 Supreme Court Cases That Most Directly Affect Your Life
Interesting side note, the doctrine that taking slaves into a free state would not free them was expressly codified in the CSA constitution. One of the few differences between the USA and CSA constitution, nearly all of the differences unsurprisingly deal with the issue of slavery.
Scott V. Sanford was definitely a horrible Supreme Court decision, but in my opinion Buck V. Bell is worse because I’m…different & one of the people they would call “Feeble minded” & to have “unwanted traits” in society, so I’m even more biased against that case then Scott V. Sanford!
Dred Scott is the same, just that the words “feeble minded” weren’t used. Saying that a people is so inferior as to not have rights effectively confers the same meaning
Interesting that Roger Taney, James Wayne, and John Catron all ruled against Dred Scott but in favor of the Amistad. Only John McLean ruled in favor of both Dred Scott and the Amistad. I wonder why?
Baddies for what taking advantage of humans to profit to gain personal wealth to gain power because deep down inside you and yours are pathetic human beings and 😈 if that y'all baddies well you are but I hope you here to see the end we will be the baddies
@@clarissapullen6718I mean, the government as an entity owes an apology for just the garbage logic used in this case. Like, holy hell who debates like this?
And yall lost and will loose again you don't get it when God is for a Certain people you will never be able to defeat them think look at history know matter what you and your evil ancestors done we rise up
@@pamelafranklin3452 I didn't say it was starting right at that moment, did I? Our tree is getting very thirsty, but it takes some time for the refreshments to arrive.
One surprising thing about Roger Taney is that he was not personally a pro-slavery ideologue. When Taney inherited his family's slaves in 1810, he immediately freed all of them, and even provided pensions to all his former slaves who were too old to work. As a lawyer, Taney made a name for himself by defending an abolitionist preacher who had been arrested for supposedly trying to incite an anti-slavery riot. Taney vigorously defended his client's free speech rights in court, calling slavery a "blot on our national character", and won his acquittal. Another odd fact, Taney died on October 12, 1864, the same day his home state of Maryland voted to abolish slavery. By then he was so hated that Lincoln made no public statement on his death, though he did attend Taney's funeral. Maybe it was just to gloat :)
Thing is Taney probably thought this decision would avoid a civil war. He might not have viewed slavery as good but as someone who knew how deeply entrenched it was in southern society he knew the risk of a war. He probably assumed this decision would settle the slavery debate and prevent the South from seceding.
@@florinivan6907 Yeah that's probably true, but of course it had the opposite effect, as it inflamed the North so much that it convinced them to elect an anti-slavery president, which caused the South to secede anyway.
Completely aside from the issue of slavery, the decision is the absolutely worst decision the supreme court ever made, and Taney secured his place as the worst chief justice. There are those who say he had an illustrious career, made contributions to the law, etc., but I wonder that could have been to overcome the outrage of the Dred Scott decision. The holding of the case was that the court had no jurisdiction, because under the law at that time, a black person was not a citizen, and whether slave or free, was not entitled to bring suit in a federal court. Okay, then. The court should have stopped writing and ended the case. But oh no, in an egregious example of obiter dicta, Taney continues to write 300 pages explaining how he would have decided the case if he had jurisdiction. If the court had no jurisdiction, all the blabber about the Missouri Compromise is not necessary to a decision. Had the court simply dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, that would not have created nearly the tumult that Taney’s irresponsible dicta created.
Not only that, but the entire decision about the Missouri compromise was based on an outright lie: Taney's claim that _""the right of property in a slave is distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Constitution."_ This is nothing but a blatant falsehood. The constitution didn't even imply there was a right to property in a slave, much less expressly affirm it. The constitution identified slaves as "persons" and never referred to them as a property. The fact that they counted as 3/5ths of a person for political representation also clearly shows slaves were not property, as property would never be counted at all.
I’m pretty sure the court itself had to 1st rule he was not a citizen and since none of the lower courts did At that point he did have legal grounds to have this case heard by the Supreme Court and since they’ve heard it and do have jurisdiction since before they declared him not a citizen he was well infact a citizen And what they said about the slvery compromise was true Congress had ZERO authority to make that law regardless about morals It was simply not legal unless you want to use the commerce clause and claim slaves were commerce in which cause you would be proving this cases decision to be correct. Also lastly about the no jurisdiction part Before this case no precendant was were ever set in court for slaves not being one So this case itself was what made him not a citizen which well required the court to rule So at that point they could add in thier opinion about what congress did relating to this case
Great Video, as usual, Mr. Beat. Unfortunately, when Courts do not use critiques of laws & use Strict Interpretation Of Laws & Only Abide By The Letter Of The Law, as I've argued, to No Avail, on a much lesser degree, it's as if we're re-arguing The Dredd Scott Case again. Let me know what you think. While I think that we are taught to do The Logical Reasoning from Issue, Rule, Application & The Conclusion, I don't see why A Strict Interpretation challenge can't be argued/considered, in many cases/hearings
President during that time: Franklin Pierce/James Buchanan Chief Justice: Roger B. Taney Argued February 11-14, 1856 Reargued December 15-18, 1856 Decided March 6, 1857 Case Duration: 388 Days Decision: 7-2 in favor of Sanford :/
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I was a Black kid that went to Roger B. Taney middle school... I'm sure he would've loved that. .😂😂 "No Black person has any right that a white man is bound to respect." ~Roger B. Taney'
Does anyone else believe that Mr. Scott’s grave should become a national monument? Or at least a monument erected in DC right across from the Supreme Court?
I know I left a somewhat harsh comment on your top 10 supreme court case video, but I would like you to make a top 10 worse, after hearing about Taney in this video.
The image commonly associated with Dred Scott is actually not of him but rather of his brother, Peter Blow. Peter Blow was the brother of Dred Scott's original owner, and the image is often used as a representation of the historical context surrounding the Dred Scott case. His skin color likely played a significant role in the selection as the plaintiff. He had mixed-race background (his father was the slave Master and his mother was the slave, that dynamic).. Scott was so light skinned he could pass for "white," coupled with his status as an enslaved individual who had lived in both free and slave states, made his case particularly compelling for challenging the legality of slavery in various jurisdictions. The image commonly associated with Dred Scott's wife, Harriet Scott, is not actually her but rather an unidentified woman.
Taney's decision is NOT the majority decision. Taney's decision is the LEAD opinion for two of the nine Justices signed off on it and is the "Opinion of the Court", but the other five justices that ruled against Dred Scott wrote four different opinions (with only one being agreed upon by two Justices). Taney's is the official opinion of the court but it was never a majority opinion (through seven Justices agreed with the results). In effect this was a 2 (Taney, & Wayne) -2 (Nelson & Grier) -1 (Daniel) -1 (Caltron) -1 (Campbell) - 1 dissent (McLean) - 1 dissent (Curtis) decision not a 7-2 decision.
I wanna imagine all these "Justices" being served with "Justice" with chains and torment in the eternal slavery of the Hell they always scared us from, Amen
Basically what I’m hearing is that the law is an inherently flawed system and that the only way to be free is to rid ourselves of our current judicial system.
You know the Supreme Court screwed up royally when even one of the justices go "screw this, I'm outta here! F you, f you, f you, f you, not you McLean, you're cool, f you, f you, and f you especially with a cactus Taney!" *drops mic*
States Rightists: "We support states rights and the South left because of it!" Me: "Have you read the Dred Scott case? It ends the right of free states to keep slavery out of their borders." SRs: "And it was beautiful!"
Have a question for you Mr. Beat or anyone who sees this and knows the answer. Regarding the Civil War. Had there ever been a point after the Civil War ended that there may have been another Civil War? Like how did the Union permanently stop the Confederacy from ever resurfacing is the my true question.
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Dred Scott v Sandford is not the worst Decision of The SCOTUS.... Though it is certainly up there in the top 10 with Korematzu v United States and Kelo v New London. I would say Roe v Wade was. Simply because it caused the deaths of Millions of unborn children.
Throw it out the window cuz Biden is changing the supreme Court
Law is so bizarre sometimes. Having to prove that you're a slave just so you can win your freedom (from being a slave). Dred must of been pulling his hair out for that entire decade. Another great video!
+Cogito - Curiosity Visualised Thanks a bunch. Poor Dred. I just can't even begin to imagine what he and his family went through, and through it all never stopped fighting.
Lol Omg! Right!
No harm intended, but European Americans are always playing dumb when it come to our people human rights. Technically our people aren’t even suppose to be affiliated with any of your laws. Your one sided treaties was a trick your ancestors used all around the world. Peace
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@@standforchange08 The triangle trade depended on African lords selling slaves for guns and gin. Hell, the freedmen that went back to Africa to form Liberia ended up setting up a racial caste system so blaming one race is kinda silly.
It sounds so weird to hear someone casually say that someone bought another person
Because American history has been whitewashed and truncated.
true
so sad and true
Lol u there?
so anti-american, breach of the rights promised in the declaration of independence and the first amendment
Still happens every day in many parts of the World.
Respect to Curtis and McClean for siding with Dred Scott
Having read their dissents the court made two big errors. It read into the founders the values of the 1850s South. Curtis points out that five states allowed blacks to vote when the Constitution was ratified and thus were citizens per the Constitution. Secondly, they took a case and ruled on the merits after declaring that Dred lacked standing, which violated court and legal doctrine. McLean points this out. If all of this wasnt bad enough Buchanan was knowledgeable of the ruling before it was issued implying that Taney collaborated with the White House and Buchanan in turn got the Northern Democrat Justices on board with it. So number three would be violation of separation of powers.
Statue for them!
America's ethics and morals were so deep in the gutter that the "humanity" of those justices is somewhat surprising.
@@vylxv002 I said “respect” to an action I never called them a hero
@@vylxv002 where tf did he state them as 'heroes'
Oh my God this sounds incredibly infuriating
In the Free state, the State Court goes "if you aren't Irene's slaves.. how do you prove otherwise?"
In the slave state, the court goes "Yep, you both are definitely her slave"
In the Federal court, they go "Wait, you aren't even citizens! How are you two suing an American Citizen? You both are definitely slaves"
My God, it's really pulled my hair
The system wasn't designed to make sense, it was designed to enslave black people. Of course it doesn't make sense lol
@@cammywammy420 it wasn't just that. It was so Byzantine that in the end it caused more harm than good.
The decisions of these three courts the United States would face the worse war we had ever fought. Thankfully the North won.
Make it make sense
Where did their so-called "idea" that non-US citizens can't even sue from? I thought it was everyone's 8th amendment right to sue.
Bet we can all agree that this was a terribly decided case.
Not to many Trumptards.
@@w41duvernay I thought we were all trying to agree on something
All 7 were Democrats. The 2 that dissented we're Republicans.
@@MrJesseQuinn The stances and demographics of the parties have changed throughout history. The democrats being proponents for a stronger federal government and social programs got solidified in the 30s with FDR and the new deal. White racist southerners left the democrat party during the civil rights movement and joined the Republican party. Nixon and Reagan solidified the stances of the Republican Party. Limited Government, traditional values, and trickle-down economics. While it's true the democrats in the south fought for slavery and founded the kkk, their racist great grandchildren vote for Republicans today. A modern kkk member would never vote for a democrat now.
@@bforthigh1617 I agree with the history in your answer. Yes many modern KKK are right leaning but they're alt-right and we don't consider them part of the party or associate with their views similar in the way Muslims don't associate with radical Muslims. Like radical Muslims, the KKK they are the vast minority of the entire group. Despite demographic shifts in the parties, Republicans and Democrats still have the same values. Democrats have always been the party of control in some way, if not slavery then by the expansion big government via social programs. These social programs in the name of social justice have been shown to be ineffective. For example, welfare. Since it's inception in the mid 1960's we have spent over 6 trillion combating poverty yet the poverty rate has remained between 11-15% while at the same time destroying the lives of the very people it's proclaiming to help. The reason Republicans are against these programs is because we believe an individual can best be economically sound without the governments help and instead by his/her merit. It's no surprise that study after study shows that Republicans fair better economically in life as well as being happier and more fullfilled than their Democratic counterparts.
that was a dredful case O_O
Master of puns!
@@iammrbeat and slaves
@@hentai6582 oh boy, I hate you, but that's a good one
That's s..it ain't funny
Judge: "You can't prove you were Irene's slave, so you are going to have to remain being Irene's slave"
Sounds legit.
Reading it right here, it actually sounds insane.
This one...
Right?!
Imagine being able to buy humans like they're farm animals. History is SCARY
The future is bright
200 years later: imagine being able to buy animals like they are things
What's twice as scary as history is, when we revise it so we don't learn from it.
It was legal, Constitutional, and normal. Slavery has been a part of society since the earliest civilizations. It was legal in places until the 1980's. Imagine in the future when they look back and say those people wasted valuable petroleum burning in engines just to travel. How could they do that? Just go buy it and burn it!!
You have to look at history in its context and not from your 21st century prejudices and bigotry.
They had no machinery. Everything had to be done by hand. No mechanized farming. Farm animals like horses, mules, slaves, and oxen did much of the work. Slaves were treated very well back then because slaves cost about 10 times the price of a horse or the same as 100 acres of land. They were too expensive to mistreat. Slaves were only punished for serious crimes like sabotage, arson, injuring other slaves, etc. Only the evil slaves were punished for their crimes. You almost never hear of a farmer mistreating his animals or someone mistreating their dog (unless they are a weirdo psycho).
History, or, you know, today in other countries
I am visiting the grave of Mr. Dred Scott today, he is buried in the same cemetery as General Sherman
That's awesome
Calvary Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
I don't get it
It's so sad that this man and his family went through this
I knew this case was bad but I didn't know it was this bad! It just made so many things worse and definitely led to the Civil War.
but also without the civil war we wouldn't have what we have now.
The Top Three Causes of the Civil War: 1.Kansas-Nebraska Act 2.Dred Scott Decision 3.Fugitive Slave Act
@@macmacreynolds8712there was only one cause of the “civil” war. Lincoln’s refusal to let the south secede peacefully
@@luisfilipe2023 get the hell out of here with your lost cause revisionist bullshit
@@luisfilipe2023 the south attacked first
The DREDed decision
Dredfully dreded.
Lol, best pun made about a dark topic.
Just another example of the supreme court making the wrong decision.
imagine this The 7 were democrats the other 2 were republicans
Its well understood that during the great depression, ideologies of both parties switched.
Not really. It was later on that happened. It is often contributed to the 1950s when southern democrats left and migrated to the Republican party. However, most no votes in the 1968 civil rights act were Democrats. The Democrats also founded the KKK. Democrats have painted a false picture of Republicans that has stuck. I am more libertarian in my leaning. A traditional classic liberal.
+The Sports If you're talking about the party affiliations of the 9 Supreme Court Justices at the time of the Dred Scott decision, you almost got it right. There were: 7 Democrats (Taney, Wayne, Catron, Daniel, Nelson, Grier, Campbell), 1 Whig (Curtis), 1 Republican (McLean).
@@RP-16 that's not when it happened. The founding of KKK was Democrat. They had the most people who voted against civil rights legislation. They also led the revival of the KKK in the 40s. They not only originally founded the original KKK, but revived it over a decade after The Great Depression. To make this clear almost every major civil rights law pre 1980 had more Democrats voting against it by both number and percentage. A large portion of these Democrats were southern Democrats. The Democrats have pulled the wool over the eyes of the American people. I am not a Republican by the way. I am more a classic liberal.
Without a doubt, this is the Supreme Court's worst decision in history.
I agree. The sad thing is that most of the judges were southerners and several were slave owners who should have recused themselves.
@@frankw7091 Yeah, and once the Civil War broke out many of them sympathized with the Confederacy.
...so far.
Roe v. Wade was another bad one
@@a2zz-gk197 Yeah, they should revoke the right of privacy
"Justice Taney" was actually Chief Justice Taney. This Supreme Court is known in Property and Constitutional law courses as the "Taney Court" (all Courts are identified by the presiding Chief Justice).
It's especially important to notice that Abraham Lincoln, and Congress at large, was reviewing this decision in depth. CJ Taney made sure to distinguish a constitutional difference between "persons" and "citizens" which applied not just to slaves, but also to women, men who were not property owners, etc. Taney's decision essentially disallowed ANY black person from ever becoming a citizen. Congress and Lincoln recognized the legal issues here, which prompted the necessity for three entirely new amendments (13th, 14th, and 15th) to the US Constitution. This decision is a sad reminder that the US Constitution did identify slavery in states and would require an amendment to change that.
One last point: the Taney Court recognized a jurisdictional problem in the case -- since they could not identify Dred Scott as a US citizen, he had no standing to sue in federal court. The case should have ended right there, but the Taney Court decided to use this case to invalidate the Missouri Compromise and solidify slavery in the United States. Some legal analysts wonder if Taney was using this case to get Congress to recognize they had to change the Constitution, or if he was simply a racist, activist Chief Justice. Either way, CJ Taney is an early example of originalism in analyzing the Constitution.
St. Louis native here! It's always crazy to think of the consequential, tragic history that goes on in our own backyards.
St. Louis is weird because I never think of my city as having been important, then a bunch of important stuff happened here
I could never understand how anyone in their own mind could justify OWNING another human being.
I could never understand how anyone in their own mind could justify killing and unborn baby. And yet it’s legal and practiced in all 50 states.
@@victorvolobuev507 are we talking about slavery?
@@victorvolobuev507 a baby is not living unitl it can survive without external support
not all heroes wear capes, you are awesome! Helping me study for my Thematic Essays for the US and Gov Regents tomorrow. Thank you thank you thank you
Thank you for this video! I very recently read a small biography of Abraham Lincoln, and it mentioned the case.
+Jett For President My pleasure. It's one I thought I already knew a lot about, but learned quite a bit more researching for this video. It's amazing what the Scotts had to go through.
Yeah.
I never even imagined the reality that some states allowed slaves and some didn’t, at the same time and so close. I get both sides a little better. I like that the “worst Supreme Court” decision involved a man named Dred
Scott vs. Sanford was one of the most egregious cases of the U.S. Supreme Court. This case, plus the panic of 1857, is what would trigger the Civil War.
So would the Kansas-Nebraska Act, passed by Congress in 1854.
@@macmacreynolds8712there was also that raid on Harper’s Ferry by John Brown
How Dredful of a decision.
I mean, according to the reasoning Sanford was sided with, the case should have been thrown out on the technicality that Scott wasn't a citizen, right? Something doesn't add up?
probably but the justices were inhuman monsters so not a surprise they were not good at there job
@@scottgrasser9475 They followed the law (besides how such a case should never have happened based on the technicality), and that's all a justice is meant to do.
@@the4tierbridge yea sorry but the law was at the time not that a black person can never be a person
they were bigoted white's who added that to be bigots
the idea that justices have and will just follow the law is frankly bullshit
there people and are just as capable of corruptly following a political agenda as anyone
@@scottgrasser9475 Then explain the law at the time...
I'll wait.
PS: That is what justices are supposed to do. Determine what laws mean based on other laws.
@@the4tierbridge basically the entire constitution...many future justices have noted there bigotry in making there call
as well as massive flaws in the logic used in the decision
as was pointed out by the highest courts own logic the case should not have been done in the first place and the very court case itself violated the constitution (if he was not a person as they declared then the lower cases should have been dismissed and without those cases the highest court by its own rules could not have dealt with the issue )
if even one state considered an African American a citizen, then the Constitution required that all states, and by inference also the federal government, had to accord that person “all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States” (Article IV, Section 2), which includes the right to sue in federal court
thus as pointed out above the constatution said that they were citizens...that was the law and the highest court
furthermore the court overstepped its bounds by ruling on issues on the matter that were not even up for deciding
holding that Scott had never been free and that Congress had in fact exceeded its authority in the Missouri Compromise because it had no power to forbid or abolish slavery in the territories
that was not even part of the case and the court had no right to arbitrarily even consider it at the time
as well the court ignored the wording of the constitution to ignore the ambiguity to force the idea blacks were not and could not be citizens (no part of the constitution forbid a black being a citizen)
historians and law experts have widely agreed the court had by the order of the law made the wrong choice and even had no right to make many of the choices it did
the leader of the court at the time basically the entire constitution...many future justices have noted there bigotry in making there call
as well as massive flaws in the logic used in the decision
as was pointed out by the highest courts own logic the case should not have been done in the first place and the very court case itself violated the constitution (if he was not a person as they declared then the lower cases should have been dismissed and without those cases the highest court by its own rules could not have dealt with the issue )
if even one state considered an African American a citizen, then the Constitution required that all states, and by inference also the federal government, had to accord that person “all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States” (Article IV, Section 2), which includes the right to sue in federal court
thus as pointed out above the constatution said that they were citizens...that was the law and the highest court
furthermore the court overstepped its bounds by ruling on issues on the matter that were not even up for deciding
holding that Scott had never been free and that Congress had in fact exceeded its authority in the Missouri Compromise because it had no power to forbid or abolish slavery in the territories
that was not even part of the case and the court had no right to arbitrarily even consider it at the time
the leader of the court at the time Roger B taney was well known for his poor following of the law and often ruling based on bigoted feelings as well as being overly political (he was less a judge and more a political figure during his life)
Please dont say he asked Dred Scott to come to Louisiana. That's pouring a ton of sugar on that. He demanded his property was returned to him.
I love your channel Mr Beat :) I have found your channel superb :) I have found out more about American history on your channel than anywhere else. Keep up the great work
Thank you. That means the world to hear that. Comments like these are honestly a big reason why I continue to do this. :D
Man poor Judge Dredd must dread having to talk about the great injustice done by Dredd v Sanford.
Fun Fact: Montgomery Blair, who argued in favor of Dred Scott, was a leading lawyer in both Missouri and Maryland! Also, from 1861-64, he would be Postmaster General in the Lincoln Cabinet. One more thing: In 1864, he would be strongly considered by Lincoln for the Taney vacancy on the Supreme Court which went to Salmon Chase.
Fun fact: Justice Grier was actually from Pennsylvania the home state of President Buchanan at the time. Never a man of much conviction he decided he wanted to persuade Grier that it was alright to have slaves so he could appease the southern states which were already well on the way to succession by this point. He effectively messed with the separation of powers, a key fundamental to our Republic.
Additional Fun Fact: Justice Catron, although from Tennessee, took a pivotal role in persuading Justice Grier to side with the pro-slavery majority.
Imagine the law giving the rights to your own person, the flesh you’re made of, to someone else.
It’s crazy to think we used to be a country where an individual could have the right to their own body abused and revoked by legal entities you have no say in.
Glad THAT doesn’t happen anymore, ammiright? 😪
Sadly it dose still happen human trafficking is definitely slavery and it is still very much alive today we will never have a perfect world. And what happend to this man and his family is horrific.
It does still happen today and the Dems are full throated supporters of it. Think Roe v Wade. The left agrees that there is not a lot her person and so the baby's rights (and life) are given to the mother and she gets to decide life or death. And while slavery is a stain on our history, it's not nearly as horrific as abortion
Are you talking about abortion, you know, the right to kill children, having the rights to their person, the flesh theyre made of?
Mr. Beat,
You and those like you are the hope of the future. Live long & prosper.
Amazingly, the Dred Scott ruling was a major 2nd Amendment upholding ruling as well. It held that the protections under the 2nd Amendment extended to US. Territories. When researching the 2nd amendment for a Argumentative Research Essay in English Composition, I learned that this was the first case to directly deal with the 2nd Amendment.
Tf does this have to do with guns
Are…you…kidding…me?!?!
I’m not sure what your “fact” is implying, but judging by the vagueness of whatever you “found” because you gave no evidence of anything. Plus I’m not sure what to make of your pic either!
Judging by the vagueness of the comment plus the misdirection I’m willing to put at least $20 on that your pic and views are at least part of the “great replacement theory”
Stay on topic!!!
@@staytheknight it talks about congresses power over territories in this case just like OP said you derp.
Thank you so much for making these! They are very interesting and I watch them everyday!
Glad you like them!
I love your videos Mr. Beat. I think the first one I ever saw was about the election of 2000.
+Lindsay Manning Heck yeah. That's awesome that I haven't scared you off yet. :)
If a Supreme Court decision like Dred Scott v. Sanford is so bad that it made a justice leave his position, then the court is doing something wrong (obviously)
They had to make constitutional amendments just to fix it. Yeah, it was exceptionally terrible.
great *scott*
You always deliver, spicy meme
Back to Future.
There is another aspect of this case that you are forgetting about. How Lincoln one of the people who was against it the most , found it wrong and dangerous and seeked to have it overturned still abided it by it. BECAUSE it was a supreme court decision, and should berespected until the court said otherwise.
""We think it's [the supreme court's] decision's on Constitutional questions, when fully settled, should control, not only the particular cases decided but the general policy of the country, subject to be disturbed only by amendments of the Constitution as provided in that instrument itself," Lincoln said. And leaving no doubt to his view on the supremacy of Supreme Court decisions , he then continued. "More than this would be revolution. But we think the Dread Scott decision is Erroneous. We know the court has made it, has often over-ruled it's own decisions, and we shall do what we can to have it over rule this. We offer no resistance to it.
This closed the loop on Marbury vs Madison: No matter how difficult the circumstances, no matter how entrenched the personal agreements, the United States was to be a government of laws not men."
That Lincoln quote and the text surrounding it from tthe 2ns revised & updated edition of The Supremes' Greatest Hits: The 44 Supreme Court Cases That Most Directly Affect Your Life
I agree. The only way to overturn the Supreme Court ruling that day was through constitutional amendment.
Man imagine what it was like when things like court cases got held up by diseases. Must have been crazy!
I’m learning about this in history
Your a rat, how?
Grateful for the history lesson. Thanks!
These are awesome. Js. ☺️👍
Interesting side note, the doctrine that taking slaves into a free state would not free them was expressly codified in the CSA constitution. One of the few differences between the USA and CSA constitution, nearly all of the differences unsurprisingly deal with the issue of slavery.
Scott V. Sanford was definitely a horrible Supreme Court decision, but in my opinion Buck V. Bell is worse because I’m…different & one of the people they would call “Feeble minded” & to have “unwanted traits” in society, so I’m even more biased against that case then Scott V. Sanford!
Dred Scott is the same, just that the words “feeble minded” weren’t used. Saying that a people is so inferior as to not have rights effectively confers the same meaning
@@avinashreji60 technically we’re both right here and I do agree with you too an extent. But I still hate Buck V. Bell more!
This was the worst, and I mean the WORST supreme court decision so far in the history of the court.
They didn't just rule they weren't "citizens" they ruled they weren't "people".
Great vid im just learning about this as a 43yo.
Appreciate the info
One of the worst Supreme Court decisions in US history.
This is a great example of what happens when folks don't wanna change the constitution. This is America!
I went to the place where dread and Harriet lived (Fort Snelling) for school field trip in 3rd grade
Interesting that Roger Taney, James Wayne, and John Catron all ruled against Dred Scott but in favor of the Amistad. Only John McLean ruled in favor of both Dred Scott and the Amistad. I wonder why?
I love you too Mr. Beat.
I read about this case for the first time and the first thing I thought was
"Are we the baddies?"
Baddies for what taking advantage of humans to profit to gain personal wealth to gain power because deep down inside you and yours are pathetic human beings and 😈 if that y'all baddies well you are but I hope you here to see the end we will be the baddies
Since nobody alive today in the United States was born either a slave or slave owner, nobody owes anybody an apology.
@@clarissapullen6718I mean, the government as an entity owes an apology for just the garbage logic used in this case. Like, holy hell who debates like this?
Yes
"The Supreme Court Case That Led to The Civil War" Can't wait for the sequel!
And yall lost and will loose again you don't get it when God is for a Certain people you will never be able to defeat them think look at history know matter what you and your evil ancestors done we rise up
@@pamelafranklin3452 I didn't say it was starting right at that moment, did I? Our tree is getting very thirsty, but it takes some time for the refreshments to arrive.
If you haven't already done it, can you do a video on Hammer v. Dagenhart, aka the Child Labor Case of 1918?
Thanks 4 the help.
One surprising thing about Roger Taney is that he was not personally a pro-slavery ideologue. When Taney inherited his family's slaves in 1810, he immediately freed all of them, and even provided pensions to all his former slaves who were too old to work. As a lawyer, Taney made a name for himself by defending an abolitionist preacher who had been arrested for supposedly trying to incite an anti-slavery riot. Taney vigorously defended his client's free speech rights in court, calling slavery a "blot on our national character", and won his acquittal.
Another odd fact, Taney died on October 12, 1864, the same day his home state of Maryland voted to abolish slavery. By then he was so hated that Lincoln made no public statement on his death, though he did attend Taney's funeral. Maybe it was just to gloat :)
Thing is Taney probably thought this decision would avoid a civil war. He might not have viewed slavery as good but as someone who knew how deeply entrenched it was in southern society he knew the risk of a war. He probably assumed this decision would settle the slavery debate and prevent the South from seceding.
@@florinivan6907 Yeah that's probably true, but of course it had the opposite effect, as it inflamed the North so much that it convinced them to elect an anti-slavery president, which caused the South to secede anyway.
Mr Beat Can you do who are your favourite US presidents?
I will be answering that in the 10,000 subscriber video (hopefully I will be making that video sooner than later!)
thank you it help with mi report
+Darth Cookie Awesome
+Darth Cookie Anderson Are Buffcoat and Beaver still causing you lots of trouble?
Completely aside from the issue of slavery, the decision is the absolutely worst decision the supreme court ever made, and Taney secured his place as the worst chief justice. There are those who say he had an illustrious career, made contributions to the law, etc., but I wonder that could have been to overcome the outrage of the Dred Scott decision.
The holding of the case was that the court had no jurisdiction, because under the law at that time, a black person was not a citizen, and whether slave or free, was not entitled to bring suit in a federal court. Okay, then. The court should have stopped writing and ended the case. But oh no, in an egregious example of obiter dicta, Taney continues to write 300 pages explaining how he would have decided the case if he had jurisdiction. If the court had no jurisdiction, all the blabber about the Missouri Compromise is not necessary to a decision. Had the court simply dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, that would not have created nearly the tumult that Taney’s irresponsible dicta created.
Not only that, but the entire decision about the Missouri compromise was based on an outright lie: Taney's claim that _""the right of property in a slave is distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Constitution."_ This is nothing but a blatant falsehood. The constitution didn't even imply there was a right to property in a slave, much less expressly affirm it. The constitution identified slaves as "persons" and never referred to them as a property. The fact that they counted as 3/5ths of a person for political representation also clearly shows slaves were not property, as property would never be counted at all.
I’m pretty sure the court itself had to 1st rule he was not a citizen and since none of the lower courts did
At that point he did have legal grounds to have this case heard by the Supreme Court and since they’ve heard it and do have jurisdiction since before they declared him not a citizen he was well infact a citizen
And what they said about the slvery compromise was true
Congress had ZERO authority to make that law regardless about morals
It was simply not legal unless you want to use the commerce clause and claim slaves were commerce in which cause you would be proving this cases decision to be correct.
Also lastly about the no jurisdiction part
Before this case no precendant was were ever set in court for slaves not being one
So this case itself was what made him not a citizen which well required the court to rule
So at that point they could add in thier opinion about what congress did relating to this case
This is so heartbreaking.
This channel is f*cking awesome. I’ll shout it out on things & stuff.
Thanks :D
Supreme court today: "hold my beer"
Great Video, as usual, Mr. Beat. Unfortunately, when Courts do not use critiques of laws & use Strict Interpretation Of Laws & Only Abide By The Letter Of The Law, as I've argued, to No Avail, on a much lesser degree, it's as if we're re-arguing The Dredd Scott Case again. Let me know what you think. While I think that we are taught to do The Logical Reasoning from Issue, Rule, Application & The Conclusion, I don't see why A Strict Interpretation challenge can't be argued/considered, in many cases/hearings
As bad as this decision was, I think the justices knew the issue of slavery needed to be settled in the legislative branch, which eventually it was.
President during that time: Franklin Pierce/James Buchanan
Chief Justice: Roger B. Taney
Argued February 11-14, 1856
Reargued December 15-18, 1856
Decided March 6, 1857
Case Duration: 388 Days
Decision: 7-2 in favor of Sanford :/
If he couldn't prove that he was a slave, why didn't he just walk away free?
I asked the same question
I wonder why the portraits of Justices Catron and Nelson are in a reverse image?
I wish you mentioned the dissent
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What happened that led to Scotts' freedom?
the Civil War
@@genericyoutubecommenter589 That's a pretty generic RUclips comment. :)
@@DugrozReports After the court case, Dred Scott and his family were sold off to a politician who freed them.
@@Jake-rs9nq Good info!
@@genericyoutubecommenter589 He was freed before the Civil War.
I was a Black kid that went to Roger B. Taney middle school... I'm sure he would've loved that. .😂😂
"No Black person has any right that a white man is bound to respect." ~Roger B. Taney'
How long until we get one of these for the Cold Civil War to turn into the 2nd Civil War?
Warning: this video will make you extremely angry
Cap nigga
The best and awesome :)
If I tried to truly understand why the ruling occurred the way it did, would I lose sanity points?
Great series.
Does anyone else believe that Mr. Scott’s grave should become a national monument? Or at least a monument erected in DC right across from the Supreme Court?
The Old Courthouse in Saint Louis where the trial took place is part of the Gateway Arch National Park.
Real funny algorithm... Real funny...
I know I left a somewhat harsh comment on your top 10 supreme court case video, but I would like you to make a top 10 worse, after hearing about Taney in this video.
Mr. Beat just FYI "Taliaferro" is pronounced "Toliver"
The image commonly associated with Dred Scott is actually not of him but rather of his brother, Peter Blow. Peter Blow was the brother of Dred Scott's original owner, and the image is often used as a representation of the historical context surrounding the Dred Scott case.
His skin color likely played a significant role in the selection as the plaintiff. He had mixed-race background (his father was the slave Master and his mother was the slave, that dynamic).. Scott was so light skinned he could pass for "white," coupled with his status as an enslaved individual who had lived in both free and slave states, made his case particularly compelling for challenging the legality of slavery in various jurisdictions.
The image commonly associated with Dred Scott's wife, Harriet Scott, is not actually her but rather an unidentified woman.
MR CALDWELLS CLASS TURNTUP
Very educational
Taney's decision is NOT the majority decision. Taney's decision is the LEAD opinion for two of the nine Justices signed off on it and is the "Opinion of the Court", but the other five justices that ruled against Dred Scott wrote four different opinions (with only one being agreed upon by two Justices). Taney's is the official opinion of the court but it was never a majority opinion (through seven Justices agreed with the results). In effect this was a 2 (Taney, & Wayne) -2 (Nelson & Grier) -1 (Daniel) -1 (Caltron) -1 (Campbell) - 1 dissent (McLean) - 1 dissent (Curtis) decision not a 7-2 decision.
I wanna imagine all these "Justices" being served with "Justice" with chains and torment in the eternal slavery of the Hell they always scared us from, Amen
U want the 2 that voted against it be chained cuz they couldn't persuade the other 7?
This ruling is easily the worst one of all time from the SCOTUS.
Basically what I’m hearing is that the law is an inherently flawed system and that the only way to be free is to rid ourselves of our current judicial system.
Do you think either side would have held back on their stances if they knew the consequences of the war’s results?
That's a good question and i have no answer
@DCBiscuit No
You know the Supreme Court screwed up royally when even one of the justices go "screw this, I'm outta here! F you, f you, f you, f you, not you McLean, you're cool, f you, f you, and f you especially with a cactus Taney!" *drops mic*
source?
States Rightists: "We support states rights and the South left because of it!"
Me: "Have you read the Dred Scott case? It ends the right of free states to keep slavery out of their borders."
SRs: "And it was beautiful!"
Its like my devices are listening to me at school.
Plot Twist: I only take school computer.
That image of John Emerson is not 1830s-1840s
Hey Mr. Beats, when you get a chance, can you do Texas v. White?
But I thought I was not supposed to mess with Texas? ha!
Ha.
So despicable.
6:49 McClean?! It's McLean.
Have a question for you Mr. Beat or anyone who sees this and knows the answer. Regarding the Civil War. Had there ever been a point after the Civil War ended that there may have been another Civil War? Like how did the Union permanently stop the Confederacy from ever resurfacing is the my true question.
Wow, this was way more horrible that I first thought
Southern wasps
Something that isn't as well known is Harriet Scott had just as much to do with it but was left out because she was a woman.
ty good vid