Several of my friends who are not into classical music tuned in to watch Ms Wang's recent Prom concert on BBC tv. They only did so because she was being plugged by the channel, shown in her splendid dresses. They were surprised that they loved the music and asked me about the pieces she played. Serious classical music lovers ignore or don't even register the attire. Newbies are drawn to the glamour and maybe some will stay for the music.
Thank you, Dave. Let women wear whatever they want, I say. If Yuja wants to dress sexy that's her business. She obviously enjoys it. More power to her.
@@steveeliscu1053Is that so? Currentzis wears jackboots with red laces, black skinny jeans and wide short-arm shirts. And his crowd love him for it. Paul Gay wore red trousers when I saw him in concert, some conductors wear very colourful jackets and some soloists have stopped wearing suits altogether. Of course, a lot of outfits are still variations on the concert suite, but outfits for women are also variations on the evening dress or the suit. I doubt it would harm artists such as the Jussen brothers or Mäkelä if they wore something more revealing either.
@@drymice500 You are absolutely right, Currentzis' dressing style definitely is not the thing that should inform in any way the assessment of his musical qualities, which, in my opinion, are not remarkably high. Which comes to confirm the ideas expressed in the above video.
The amount of casual sexism that is exhibited from time to time in classical music 'circles', such as forums and the like, is appalling -and good on you for calling it out. "Obnoxious fratboys" sums it up perfectly: the particularly sad part is some of those 'fratboys' drooling over revealing CD cover photos and the like are in their seventies. Certainly old enough to know better. I left one group not so long ago for tolerating it.
@LordoftheFleet Good for you, then. They can be very helpful in introducing you to new repertoire, though. They can also just be full of maniacal, sexist egomaniacs.
I did not have my glasses on when I read the title of this video and thought I was misreading it. I read it right and consternation about a performers clothing is absurd and nothing new. I remember when Anne-Sophie Mutter received similar criticism for wearing revealing outfits...the same for the Eroica Trio...etc, etc.....ugh....get over it people. I am a visual artist who worked as a nude model for a span of 16 years and if wearing a revealing outfit while playing the piano makes you a stripper, then I must be a prostitute for taking it all off for money. What an absurdity that Dave would even have to make this video at all.
I'm with you bro. I wouldn't mind if she performed with nothing on at all. Would you? In fact I HOPE she'll agree to it; I'd enjoy her performance that much more. Maybe let's sign a petition to make the request?
So, Dave is entitled to criticize the private parts of Klaus Mäkelä, while criticizing the way her girlfriend dresses in public is a no-no...Well, that is one section of the audience. There are others. (Not that you would find that in the comment section here. Just about every comment agrees with Dave. I wonder why?)
I wouldn't mind if she performed with nothing on at all. Would you? In fact I HOPE she'll agree to it; I'd enjoy her performance that much more. Maybe let's sign a petition to make the request?
I was talking to a musician friend about this just the other day, how people think Wang is superficial because she's glam. I saw her in Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago, playing both Ravel concertos back-to-back. She's incredible - an absolute powerhouse. I love 20th century piano concertos, and she's a brilliant interpreter of them. There are videos on RUclips of her playing Bartok concertos, and in my opinion she's top class.
One more thing: that Ravel concert was as packed as I've ever seen a classical concert in my life, and the crowd was pretty young. So if our main concern is that this fantastic music is being heard and enjoyed across generations, Yuja Wang is doing a great service.
Over the years I've enjoyed watching a number of Ms Yang's performances here on RUclips, but I've noticed also the comment sections of some of those videos are very disrespectful to the artist's choice of attire. I'm glad you addressed the issue here, and I'm sorry that it was necessary to do so.
Well stated. Yuja's mode of dress is a feature that immediately distinguishes her from other performers. Another extraordinary pianist, Hiromi Uehara, stated in an interview that in her teenage student days, she was sometimes complimented on performances she had not given. She realized that there were a number of young Asian prodigies who were easily confused in Western eyes. Hiromi's solution was to adopt a spiky frazzled hair style. Yuja has been much bolder.
I had never seen Yuja Wang until a few weeks ago. I knew about the skimpy dresses and the odd thunderous RUclips encore. It was at the Edinburgh festival and she was playing both Ravel concertos before her partner and the Oslo Philharmonic gave us a fine Shostakovich 5. I expected a purely thunderous approach to the music but was stunned by the beauty and lightness of her playing especially with left hand only. Yes, we got a bit of thigh for the left hand piece and a fully covered up dress for the piano concerto. We didn't get an encore. I think two Ravel concertos in the same half is enough for anyone with fingers.
Thanks for this well-stated, reasoned, and apt talk! Having known Yuja in bygone NYC days, it has always pained me the hate and sexist/racist rants over her BECAUSE she 'dares' to dress in a way that shows herself off in a way some find offensive to their fossilized moral spirits. I am not surprised you have had to delete; I have fought such repulsive trolls over Yuja here for years on YT (one of them constantly betrays his racist agenda by always referring to her as the 'Chinese woman'; also, as you state, equates his opinion of her as a shallow musical self by his horror of her dress, as if that matters musically, and as if she has committed some kind of original sin against music and art by her fashion choices)! Without arguing for her interpretive acceptance by one and all, she IS a very serious musician of immense practice and curiosity, a wonderful musical colleague with orchestras, conductors, chamber players, and many other pianists who are her friends (Martha Argerich and Radu Lupu come to mind). Statements by those prejudiced against her because of what she wears and how she looks have little understanding of this petite and funny/sweet soul who has a ready laugh and brings joy to her performances, as opposed to an often stereotypical solemn semi-religious air to their performances (or even their personalities). Whatever one may think of her artistic choices +or-, she is an astonishing talent we are lucky to have, along with a few others who can bring in audiences for live classical music today, and pack the house. And, yes, the dresses aid that too. As you say, it is also a visual entertainment/show business. Thanks, Dave, I will post a link to your video from now on when her worst-behaved trolls rant at her shallowly again; more eloquent than my rants back at them have been!
People are shocked there are beautiful people in classical music. Not just pretty for classical musicians, but actual beautiful people. What do want them to wear? Amish concert garb?
Agree 100%, and it’s not just women. There used to be a coven of waspish old men who would write hateful reviews on Amazon of CDs with young male conductors. They would use nicknames that ridiculed aspects of the conductor’s appearance. I wrote a response (back when you could) objecting to this, and was “schooled” by one of them, who informed me that it was “just playful banter among the cognoscenti”. The total lack of self-awareness did not surprise me.
David, I couldn't agree with you more! How Yuja dresses has absolutely NOTHING to do with her artistry! I'm glad you made this video because I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain about her attire. I, for one, pay absolutely NO attention to her atire once she pounces on those keys. It completely goes out the window for me! (And BELIEVE me I LOVE the way she dresses and presents herself on stage!!). Bravo to you for calling out the "philistines!". (I DO however take issue with your review of the album. I thought it was magnificent but that's another story)!
What I see in Yuja Wang's wardrobe is pride in the way she equates pianistic preparation and its relation to physical fitness. I may have begun by looking at how she dresses but was soon drawn to her strength of arm, wrist, hand, and the remarkable near-equality of strength in all ten fingers.
Regarding the sexism in the industry....don't even get started on the young girl violinists....Midori, Sarah Chang, et al. (pedo anyone?)....even going back to Delana Jenson, who had her Strad taken from her because she decided to get married. then going further back to include Erica Morini and Michele Auclaire. Sexism still reigns supreme in classical music, sad to say.
The more I watch this channel, the more I'm impressed with not only your music criticism but also your morality and personality. Sometimes I am deeply conflicted when celebrities/personalities I like show their "true colors," but when you do I'm nothing but smiles.
I’ve nothing to add, except very well said Dave! What Yuja Wang chooses to wear is her business, nobody else’s. Unfortunately in today’s social media age, too many people think they have the right to express their opinion, no matter how inappropriate or offensive it is.
If you are referring to the legal right to express an opinion, yes - but morally there is not always such a right, which is what is being discussed here.@@timpani25
Thank you so much for saying this. Yuja Wang is an amazing artist, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a little showmanship too. I really can’t understand the people that have a problem with her.
Excellent context. The frat boy thing is pretty much de rigueur all over the comments of any video on RUclips where a woman of any degree of attractiveness is doing anything. The athletics videos are a free for all of thirsty people who just need to touch grass and get a girlfriend, but can't because they're so odiously sexist in the first place. I believe the people who do this are the most likely to support the taking away of women's rights. It's a big topic, but you addressed it very well. I like Yuja Wang and I think she understands very well that there is s showmanship aspect in a show business career. You get that.
Hi Dave, Appreciate your comments as I usually do. I think you are a great, entertaining educationalist -much as the late LB was- and I solely tune in to hear what YOU say and generally don't spend time reading other people's comments (although the few I have read were pretty good). I really don't mind if the other subscribers don't read mine. I write to YOU. I am not on social media (except, I guess, on this one) and the one that is the best known starting aptly with "F" is one I abhor and find poison. Keep up the good work and I have heard Wang's playing. I wish I had a tenth of her talent. I do find her physical appearance zaftig, though and is appealing to the eye. But I get that her artistry is what counts on this platform and I wish you all the best for the New Year and much health and happiness.
On a similar note here - it’s relevant. There’s another famous pianist who gets flak for being “superficial” or lacking depth in Rachmaninov. And that’s Vladimir Horowitz. After the discussion on here I went and listened to his third piano concerto with Reiner, and oh my. The orchestra/ piano balances are quite wrong, but how can something so wrong feel so right? ;) The finale, in particular is an absolute thrill, certainly no dead spots (!), entertainment at its most irresistible. Makes you wonder what people who want “depth” really mean… I have read some very sniffy reviews of his supposedly superficial approach here. Which reminds me, you haven’t aid much about Horowitz. If a top ten episode is tricky/ time consuming, maybe you could do a “ripe for reissue” about his Carnegie Hall box? Some shockingly good things in there and it’s a good overview (although the particular recording I was just listening to isn’t in there). Pretty much all the Horowitz any sane listener would want.
My first exposure to Ms. Wang was via her "Transformation" album. I bought it after reading a review that made it sound worth the purchase; I had no idea about her appearance. My reaction was that the album was made by a thoughtful artist who, by the way, was unusually skillful at getting the keys down. Nothing since has prompted me to change my view of her and her playing.
This reminds me of the palaver that used to surround the British pianist Eileen Joyce, who used to change her outfit during the interval at her recitals . Somehow this was supposed to detract from the quality of her performance, which of course was ridiculous
I saw a video not long ago where she was taking some pianistic pointers from Leon Fleisher in his studio. She was dressed casually, which you would expect. She knows she is in the field of show business, knows what she’s got, and accentuates it while she can. What’s not to love?
Thank you so much...the Lady can play her ass off....she has always dressed in this manner ...in german " hol wie weiss brot" empty like bread....I am an Afro American singer and Dozent living in Germany...you cannot realize what I have gone through....Black or white a woman still must work harder and be perfect in proficiency....FAZIT: The woman can PLAY!!!!!
I sympathize with your comments about the sexism in the industry and this is certainly both hypocritical and very unfair. Nevertheless, Wangyujia has herself chosen to dress in that way, and because of that I'm also inclined to think that anyone who chooses to so do so should more or less expect some kind of pushback. Anyway, I agree people should wear whatever they feel comfortable in and personally do not care what she (or anyone else) wears to a music concert. The most interesting thing about the whole thing though is that I'm afraid to say, she is definitely not "beautiful" and is, in fact, a very average looking Chinese woman/tom boy (just ask someone from China and I'm sure they will agree with me). The funny thing is that people in classical music seem to have no idea what a "beautiful" woman looks like (especially Chinese) so the whole 'debate' is mostly older men who see anyone in a skimpy dress as 'beautiful', which is clearly just not the case. If you want to see a beautiful woman going to a classical music concert is usually counterproductive (and, to deflect accusations of sexism away, I'm afraid this usually goes for the men as much as the women). Having said all that, she remains one of my favorite living pianists who I've already seen twice (Hangzhou and Guangzhou).
It is a shame that the truth and beauty of music do not improve the character of the listener. Some of the biggest scoundrels in history loved music and loved no one -- and there's no need to mention them. All my affection to Yuja Wang, this great artist, worthy of all admiration and respect.
Bravo for these comments!!! I tend to be very puritanical in many of my opinions on social conditions. However, your comments are absolutely true and warranted. I'm a big admirer of Miss Wangs phenomenal technique. I don't always like every performance she delivers but I can't say that of any musician. I particularly enjoyed your comments about Tzimon Barto a.k.a. Johnny Barto Smith. I well remember his performances in Houston while Eschenbach conducted the orchestra here. How a performer dresses doesn't concern me whatsoever. Whether or not that performer is pretentious - that's a different matter.
On the topic of the famous 'Ninth' I think you need a special outfit for whenever you refer to Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony. I reckon you would look good in a kilt.
Off topic from this video, but I am glad you stated that your major issue with the recent release was not with her specifically. I kinda got that from the review, but it was good to hear you say that here.
What I just love about her is that she has brought a new energy to serious music to young people find her 'with it' I love those black hotpants she wore in one of her concerts. Keep them coming,those great outfits. Thanks Dave . Here in South Africa we still have that stodgy outlook on how musicians should look on the concert stage!!
Thank you Dave for taking time to call out this stupid behavior. I've been to concerts (mainly chamber or soloist ones) where male artists look like they've just come in from a three day lost weekend bender and sometimes I've found THAT distracting. But ultimately it's about the music. Ms Wang as you say has style and is eyecatching, very fine virtuoso player, and she's successful: so I think an element of sour grapes accompanies some of those kind of comments also.
7:13 - LOL, is it even possible to be an "incel wannabe" 😛? But seriously, having read the comment sections on some of Wang's performances, I 100% agree with you.
I love all your points, Dave! Thank you for stating them so well, and so succinctly! The same observations you make here, I believe, could be said about the violinist Lara St. John (in reference to the early part of her career, and the backlash she got for her album covers). I think part of the problem among certain masses-not just the overgrown juveniles, but even the garden-variety Victorian-minded snobs, is one of over-compartmentalization. Some of the same folks who traditionally accept a bit of sexiness on the part of the performers in, say, an opera by Mozart or Massenet, will immediately go and turn their noses up should they see a similar level of "sex appeal" shown during a performance of an instrumental work by the same composers! "But opera is different...," some of that crowd will argue. Nonsense! Opera is Classical music too-obviously. And, really, most classic opera composers never insisted that the likes of a Franco Corelli and Jonas Kaufmann should go shirtless for certain roles, or that a soprano like Anna Netrebko wear a slinky nightie while flirting with Roberto Alagna onstage during act II of "Manon." No, those are personal choices made by the company and performers staging the opera. And yet, it is, overall, more widely accepted. Just because... Back in Caruso's day, virtually everyone in opera AND instrumental music dressed fairly conservatively-even Wagner's Rhinemaidens! But this isn't 1915. It is over a a hundred years later, and Victorian America no longer exists-thank God!
I think she's a great pianist. I ve been to two of her recitals in London. One was just amazing, absolute fantastic. Listen to her Prokofiev Toccata. Fantastic. The other was not like the first, but the person next to me said he felt he didn't need to hear Liszt because he'd heard Yuja. I don't get Yuja bashing. Also I think she got her first break as a stand in for Argerich, so she must have thought Yuja was pretty good
Superb post. There's a particular UK music critic, an arrogant arse with a popular blog who considers himself the arbiter of taste and musicality and who has been forecasting the death of classical music for decades and has been wrong every time, and who cannot avoid referring to Wang's looks and clothes like a dirty old uncle, who really does need to shut up and focus on the notes instead. I suspect he has nothing useful to say about those. (He's also right-wing and misses no opportunity to spread hate for the BBC and 'wokeness' and modern trends in programming.) Wang is a fantastic pianist - a musical Lang Lang hahaha - and i think it's great that she wears what the hell she wants and sticks two fingers up at the misogynists and racists who doubt her talent.
I’m with you all the way! Really looking forward to attending Yuja Wang’s performance of Bartok’s Concerto 2 with the NSO in November whatever she wears or doesn’t wear!!
Completely agree, she is a wonderful artist. Could not care less about the dresses. I will say, I haven’t seen a male performer who you could compare as far as showing skin/ provocative dressing. Maybe there is some adonais showing off his muscles, while doing Mozart, but I haven’t seen him. I think if a man did what she does, it wouldn’t go over nearly as well. NOT THAT I MIND- she is beautiful. Some male performers might get away with being unattractive, but I can’t see a beautiful man dressing that provocatively for a classical performance, and getting away with it.
Excellent comments! Agree completely. Women do have a challenge in relation to what they wear. By the way, I love Wang. Her playing and her energy! And I get to see her this month in Chicago!!
When I can actually afford to go to a concert--and it's not often--and if there's a conductor or performer who's distracting me too much from the music, I just close my eyes and listen. Concerts are expensive & I need to enjoy my time while I'm there.
Amen sir! I saw one of those comments yesterday on your Yuja Wang/Rqchmaninoff video and was tempted to tell the commenter that they were using the wrong sensory organ (eyes instead of ears). I’m sure that comment has now been deleted, and rightfully so.
I came to this channel for the insightful reviews and stayed for the Beethoven's Ninth tie jokes. Thanks for pointing out the sexist commentary that swirls around female musicians, but Yuja Wang in particular.
I believe Johanna Martzy's contract with EMI Columbia was cut short because she refused the advances of Walter Legge, unlike a certain prominent soprano who married him. Quite right though, may Ms. Wang flaunt her technical equipment as long as it is in first rate condition.
By the same argument if female soloists can wear what they want then male soloists can also wear what they want, even showing off their muscular bodies in the flesh, and same with conductors and orchestral and chamber players. It overlooks the traditional aspects of performing classical music. It's not totally a female sexist issue. So lets scrap the traditional black attire. Decades ago I attended a concert and Martha Argerich was already wearing high heels, and Nigel Kennedy was already wearing punky (?) hairstyle.
My reaction to her dresses is generally amusement and an occasional eye-roll. I have heard nothing of Tzimon Barto since seeing him in recital about 15 years ago, but I certainly do remember the puffy shirt! But what earned a special eye-roll was his reading of his own poetry.
Hi Dave, this was a good video. Im glad you posted it. I feared as soon as you posted your review, that regardless of your opinion on her playing, would cue the assaults and sanctimonious judgements on her attire and looks. I enjoy her playing for the most part, and do not know of dress requirements for good piano performance. This is ironic concerning the way piano soloists acted and performed in the 19th century. These sanctimonious slobs have definite issues and immaturity. Paul
Thanks Dave. What can one say? I saw some of these comments before they were (rightly) deleted. I don’t even see how her outfits are particularly outrageous in the context of the wider music scene. Or movie scene or whatever. Whatever the quality of particular performances she always looks great, and I have to assume this helps her feel great and give of her best. One moment you’re an immensely talented pianist, next minute people on their sofas are (pretty explicitly) saying you’re a prostitute. I’m gay,but I can recognise an attractive woman, and also that her attire is not a problem. Maybe some of the male performers could learn a bit from her? And oh yes because it’s music there’s no real need to look at these people at all.
And depends what they were saying. There were some that we’re doing some “Dave has it in for the recording” thing, as though there are bad motivations, others saying it’s the greatest piano recording ever (without saying why). It’s easy to just infiltrate the discussion with unsupported comments here, so yes, they get deleted. His opinion if you watched the video was pretty nuanced and respectful to the artist. On the probabilities it’s very unlikely any new recordings of these vastly over recorded works are going to be the very best, I’m sorry if that’s a problem for you, but he was doing a job as a critic and with his own judgement. Arguments as to why it’s “ridiculous “ are of course welcome. @@sacre1913
As I was commenting on a post, you obviously just deleted it! As you should have; yet I still want to post my response to it, because it demonstrated an attitude toward critics that is often commonly held: "Sorry Carolyn, critical bashings, and praise, are a necessary part of the landscape for any artist that puts their 'heart and soul' into art to make a living from a paying public. When the critique is backed by intelligence and not prejudice, it can also often be illuminating. Yes, every critic has their preferences and biases, and we can agree or disagree with them (as I often do here). But Dave, being a musician himself (and over his life knowing and being on friendly terms with many musicians himself) is well aware of the effect criticism can have on them. It is his right to critique something put out for financial 'investment'; and a necessary thing it is too in a thinking society. Saying it should not be so is agreeing with many politicians today, and oligarchs/dictators every day, to whom any free discussion of the effect of policies or performances is anathema and should be eliminated. You claim to be a pro and make a living off public dollars, criticism is a valid part of the territory, however much we may individually hate it at times..."
Thank you for this, but I have a somewhat simpler take on it. Recordings are consumer products, and as often as not compete with other products containing exactly the same content (in classical music, anyway). It's like buying different brands of toilet paper. Some are better than others. Some do what they claim to do better than others. It's a Mitzvah to help people choose the best value for their money, and to call out the producers of inferior product.
Your take is, as usual, more specifically on point and succinct than mine. The wise consumer needs wise resources to make informed purchases; you as an intelligent and experienced musician, provide one of those resources to us... @@DavesClassicalGuide
I have seen Ms. Wang half a dozen times. Three times she absolutely blew me away with her greatness, and three times I thought she was meh. I do enjoy her stage presence. Coincidentally, I let Apple pick the music for my drive home yesterday evening, and it played me her Rach 2. I enjoyed it very much--her ability to articulate individual notes while maintaining speed, and shaping phrases, is to me a wonder. I also did not find the piano to be particularly forward, but perhaps that is because of the acoustics of my car.
The only “Reverence” I give to classical music is entirely to do with listening and nothing to do with anything to do with the artist’s own idiosyncrasies or behaviour, I agree with Szell that I find background listening to be an insult to the music and I never do it. However this is entirely personal and I don’t judge anyone for their listening habits. Also just proper conduct when in a concert hall but that should go without saying.
Dave, I agree with you about the 9th! Last Spring I played it for the first time. This orchestra used to wear tails pre-pandemic, but started wearing concert black afterwards. If there's one work you bust out the tails for, it's *the ninth* 👔! I had run around for a couple months before the concert trying to purchase and assemble the whole outfit - I'm in my 20s, and it was difficult. All that work to just wear concert black for the 9th - which seems inappropriate - I was disappointed to say the least. Other orchestras still require tails so it wasn't for nothing. On another note, turtlenecks are quintessential string player fashion. Just keep it in mind. It's hilarious
Very well said Dave. When I first cam across your videos the thing that struck me was that you focused on the music and the performance, not the personality. Our society seems to have a problem separating art from the artist. Obviously there are extreme examples of unpleasant people who make art, but for the most part the art should be the focus. Not who the person is or what they look like or what they wear. The "dress code" for classical music performance is ridiculous to begin with. I used to perform in a concert band (before they kicked me out) in tuxedos and it is terrible. I think orchestra's would perform better if they could wear shorts and aloha shirts rather than 18th Century lounge wear. Maybe if we could drop the pretense that this music deserves some kind of special decorum not reserved for other types of performances they audience would expand. Or maybe they would like it if she played the piano in sweat pants and a baggy t-shirt?
If Yuja Wang can wear so little, let's give men the same liberty. Have you seen Berlin Philharmonic's clarinetist Andreas Ottensamer? He's a super hot guy with a beautiful body. When he can wear a speedo and a sleeveless shirt to a performance, I'll be happy.
It’s completely irrelevant in the context of recordings, and indicative of persistent sexism and double-standards. But I do think it is somewhat relevant in the context of live performances. I once sat in the front row in one of her concerts at the Kennedy Center years ago, and it was very distracting. I think that issue would be different if the stage were not elevated.
Dave, I have listened to Yuja Wang for many years. I have always enjoyed her piano playing. As for her provocative wardrobe, that is frosting on the cake.
Eileen Joyce used to come out wearing a different gown for each piece. I adored her playing. I don't care for Yuja Wang's playing. What they wear and how they look has nothing to do with it.
And Joyce was criticized for that by many male critics at the time; distracting from the brown sugar and beer solemnness of the music! And when she dared to show even a bit of cleavage, oh my! If your soul is too disturbed by such, close your eyes and listen. Joyce was a marvelous pianist, but I cross swords with you here, so is Yuja Wang...
Thank you. I suspect you are right about these sartorial critics never listening to Yuja Wang's wonderful playing. I would add they may be pent up as well. Time for them to stop being so cranky and try to appeal to another person - maybe they will get lucky. Wang's attractiveness is a selling point for Classical music. I started to listen to opera because I thought Renee Fleming was gorgeous. Once I took time from looking and started to listen, I was hooked.
Anyone who does not like what Yuja Wang is wearing should just shut their eyes and listen to the music. She is simply fantastic--plays with all kinds of sensitivity, intelligence and technical brilliance. Thanks goodness we have such a wonderful musical interpreter in our generation.
My God, people really feel an urge to comment on that? It didn't even occur to me when I watched the Rachmaninoff video. I'm a fan of Ms Wang, her tone is brilliant and extremely virtuoso, I do like her Ravel cto's for example. Musically she still has to grow further, I admit. But it's not all flash and dazzle in her playing. So I propose we keep those thoughts to ourselves and enjoy the music, AND the view...
I personally find most of Yuja Wang's recordings sort of boring, but she's an entertainer and this is show business when she takes the stage. That's all there is to it. The folks who are bothered by her dresses are also the ones who put classical music on some sort of spiritual pedestal. Get over it.
I think the same issue (may be to a lessor degree) can apply to Lang Lang's facial expressions and body movements too. For some people, these things disturb them and have a negative effect for their listening experiences. For me, I just focus on the music and definitely don't care about the clothing, shoes, etc. In my opinion, people can wear whatever they choose to wear as long as it is not against the law and not hurting and harming others. If you don't like it, just don't listen and don't watch it, and should not make disrespectful comments in any situation
WTF has her wardrobe got to do with the aspiration to universal musical performance/scholarship ??? Nothing! This is now where musical discourse finds itself. And Dave, i 100% agree that these misogynists have not listened to her Rachmaninoff 3. Which ain’t exactly great, but that’s beside the point. And who made them the harbingers of taste? I’ve heard Ms Wang live twice. She replaced Martha Argerich at the last moment in Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 2 here in Sydney. Dutoit conducting. She did a damn good job. Personally, I didn’t care for her recording of Rachmaninoff 2 with Abbado. But make no mistake this young woman’s technique if formidable. I also heard her recital. Her Chopin Sonata 3 was monumental. Especially in the slow movement. . After intermission she appeared wearing another fabulous outfit. And why shouldn’t she? Is she supposed to dress down, and look like some dour hausfrau??? She sat and played 2 Scriabin sonatas: 2 & 9 “Black Mass”. The torrents of sound in the 9th were like the roar of the ocean. Phenomenal. She then tossed off Ismaley like it was Ba Ba Black Sheep. What a thrilling recital. Misogyny STILL runs through a certain male “subculture “. Just the comments alone from the “Marys”seated near me were so APPALLING i nearly list my lunch.
Dave, have you ever talked about Kathleen Battle and what happened to her? From my point of view (Sweden ...) she was badly treated by Mr Volpe, her colleges and the press. She was black, she was a music teacher without ordinarie education in opera, she very Quick became a favourite of James Levine. She didn't have a big voice (Jessica Bjoerling didn't have a big voice as well). Things like that doesn't make you popular among other operatic singers. Well, maby she was a diva, but can't we afford yet another diva? Ther's so many of them and who cares. Her operatic career where stopped in a very brutal way and we were robbed on many recordings that should have been made with her in the cast. Sorry for my bad english.
Brilliant performance of the Rachmaninov's Paganini Rhapsody at this seasn's BBC Proms by Yuja Wang and the BBC Symphony Prchestra conducted by Klaus Mäkelä.
I hadn't heard of Yuja Wang until I came across your video, so of course I immediately looked her up to see what all the brouhaha was about. Well, those dresses certainly are interesting. I think we need to remember that all music (including classical music) is a part of the entertainment industry, and Ms Wang is just giving us the complete package, which is great value for money. It would be much more distracting if she walked onstage looking like a dog's breakfast.
I was having a bad day and then I looked at the alerts under the bell and clicked on the video. Every time I hear Hello Friends it always cheers me up then anything to do with classical music keeps my interest for hours. Best classical music channel on you tube.
I ain't gonna lie as soon as I saw the cover, Yuja Wang's legs got my eyes turned into magnifying glasses, but hey she has nice legs and if that was her purpose to cause a stir and have tounges wagging..then she has mine..but also If I were her I would equally want as much praise or more for her performance.. I do not know if it was a good rendition but I will take your advice Dave and give this CD a pass....
Several of my friends who are not into classical music tuned in to watch Ms Wang's recent Prom concert on BBC tv. They only did so because she was being plugged by the channel, shown in her splendid dresses. They were surprised that they loved the music and asked me about the pieces she played. Serious classical music lovers ignore or don't even register the attire. Newbies are drawn to the glamour and maybe some will stay for the music.
Good point. Whatever works, works.
I wouldn't mind if she performed with nothing on at all. Would you? Maybe let's sign a petition to make the request!
I’ve met Yuja Wang. She’s a lovely lady in many respects. And her performance of Prokofiev Concerto #2 is amazing!
Agreed, and she plays the insanely difficult cadenza better than any other pianist. Mind boggling!
Thank you, Dave. Let women wear whatever they want, I say. If Yuja wants to dress sexy that's her business. She obviously enjoys it. More power to her.
Should men also wear whatever they want? I bring it up because the usual choices for men is extremely limited.
@@steveeliscu1053Is that so? Currentzis wears jackboots with red laces, black skinny jeans and wide short-arm shirts. And his crowd love him for it. Paul Gay wore red trousers when I saw him in concert, some conductors wear very colourful jackets and some soloists have stopped wearing suits altogether. Of course, a lot of outfits are still variations on the concert suite, but outfits for women are also variations on the evening dress or the suit. I doubt it would harm artists such as the Jussen brothers or Mäkelä if they wore something more revealing either.
@@drymice500 You are absolutely right, Currentzis' dressing style definitely is not the thing that should inform in any way the assessment of his musical qualities, which, in my opinion, are not remarkably high. Which comes to confirm the ideas expressed in the above video.
Well done David. I’m proud of you. Mom
The amount of casual sexism that is exhibited from time to time in classical music 'circles', such as forums and the like, is appalling -and good on you for calling it out. "Obnoxious fratboys" sums it up perfectly: the particularly sad part is some of those 'fratboys' drooling over revealing CD cover photos and the like are in their seventies. Certainly old enough to know better. I left one group not so long ago for tolerating it.
I've never joined a classical music circle. I wouldn't be seen dead in one.
@LordoftheFleet Good for you, then. They can be very helpful in introducing you to new repertoire, though. They can also just be full of maniacal, sexist egomaniacs.
Thank you, but it's the maniacal, sexist egomaniacs, along with a few other things, that put me off classical music circles. @@dizwell
@@LordoftheFleet Precisely my original point, and why I quit one.
@@LordoftheFleetOr, as Groucho Marx said, I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member.
I did not have my glasses on when I read the title of this video and thought I was misreading it. I read it right and consternation about a performers clothing is absurd and nothing new. I remember when Anne-Sophie Mutter received similar criticism for wearing revealing outfits...the same for the Eroica Trio...etc, etc.....ugh....get over it people. I am a visual artist who worked as a nude model for a span of 16 years and if wearing a revealing outfit while playing the piano makes you a stripper, then I must be a prostitute for taking it all off for money. What an absurdity that Dave would even have to make this video at all.
What she wears is her own business- if it brings more people to classical music then more power to her high heels. She is a extremely gifted pianist.
Thank you Dave. Ms. Wang is great at what she does and I do love all her dresses 👗 and her wonderful performances. 🫡🫵🎶💎✨♾️🎵
I'm with you bro. I wouldn't mind if she performed with nothing on at all. Would you? In fact I HOPE she'll agree to it; I'd enjoy her performance that much more. Maybe let's sign a petition to make the request?
Dave Hurwitz, I love you!! Sensible, sensitive, non-chauvinistic, music lover that you are. 💕
So, Dave is entitled to criticize the private parts of Klaus Mäkelä, while criticizing the way her girlfriend dresses in public is a no-no...Well, that is one section of the audience. There are others. (Not that you would find that in the comment section here. Just about every comment agrees with Dave. I wonder why?)
@@soavemusicapretty sure he’s joking, when talking about that
I wouldn't mind if she performed with nothing on at all. Would you? In fact I HOPE she'll agree to it; I'd enjoy her performance that much more. Maybe let's sign a petition to make the request?
Hear, hear! Thanks for cutting through all the BS. Your commentary was both inspiring and refreshing to hear.
Thank you, Dave. As Groucho Marx said to Margaret Dumont when her character said, "This leaves me speechless": "Well, see that you remain that way."
Great comment! Only in one of Dave's fabulous discussions, will one ever hear mention of Margaret Dumont and Yuja Wang together!
I was talking to a musician friend about this just the other day, how people think Wang is superficial because she's glam. I saw her in Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago, playing both Ravel concertos back-to-back. She's incredible - an absolute powerhouse. I love 20th century piano concertos, and she's a brilliant interpreter of them. There are videos on RUclips of her playing Bartok concertos, and in my opinion she's top class.
One more thing: that Ravel concert was as packed as I've ever seen a classical concert in my life, and the crowd was pretty young. So if our main concern is that this fantastic music is being heard and enjoyed across generations, Yuja Wang is doing a great service.
Over the years I've enjoyed watching a number of Ms Yang's performances here on RUclips, but I've noticed also the comment sections of some of those videos are very disrespectful to the artist's choice of attire. I'm glad you addressed the issue here, and I'm sorry that it was necessary to do so.
Thank you. I think her dresses are LOVELY !!!! Beauty is NOT a sin.
Well stated. Yuja's mode of dress is a feature that immediately distinguishes her from other performers. Another extraordinary pianist, Hiromi Uehara, stated in an interview that in her teenage student days, she was sometimes complimented on performances she had not given. She realized that there were a number of young Asian prodigies who were easily confused in Western eyes. Hiromi's solution was to adopt a spiky frazzled hair style. Yuja has been much bolder.
How anyone could mistake the fabulous Hiromi for anyone else is beyond me.
I had never seen Yuja Wang until a few weeks ago. I knew about the skimpy dresses and the odd thunderous RUclips encore. It was at the Edinburgh festival and she was playing both Ravel concertos before her partner and the Oslo Philharmonic gave us a fine Shostakovich 5. I expected a purely thunderous approach to the music but was stunned by the beauty and lightness of her playing especially with left hand only. Yes, we got a bit of thigh for the left hand piece and a fully covered up dress for the piano concerto. We didn't get an encore. I think two Ravel concertos in the same half is enough for anyone with fingers.
Thanks for this well-stated, reasoned, and apt talk! Having known Yuja in bygone NYC days, it has always pained me the hate and sexist/racist rants over her BECAUSE she 'dares' to dress in a way that shows herself off in a way some find offensive to their fossilized moral spirits. I am not surprised you have had to delete; I have fought such repulsive trolls over Yuja here for years on YT (one of them constantly betrays his racist agenda by always referring to her as the 'Chinese woman'; also, as you state, equates his opinion of her as a shallow musical self by his horror of her dress, as if that matters musically, and as if she has committed some kind of original sin against music and art by her fashion choices)!
Without arguing for her interpretive acceptance by one and all, she IS a very serious musician of immense practice and curiosity, a wonderful musical colleague with orchestras, conductors, chamber players, and many other pianists who are her friends (Martha Argerich and Radu Lupu come to mind). Statements by those prejudiced against her because of what she wears and how she looks have little understanding of this petite and funny/sweet soul who has a ready laugh and brings joy to her performances, as opposed to an often stereotypical solemn semi-religious air to their performances (or even their personalities).
Whatever one may think of her artistic choices +or-, she is an astonishing talent we are lucky to have, along with a few others who can bring in audiences for live classical music today, and pack the house. And, yes, the dresses aid that too. As you say, it is also a visual entertainment/show business. Thanks, Dave, I will post a link to your video from now on when her worst-behaved trolls rant at her shallowly again; more eloquent than my rants back at them have been!
I've seen Yuja Wang perform and I don't regret it.
People are shocked there are beautiful people in classical music. Not just pretty for classical musicians, but actual beautiful people. What do want them to wear? Amish concert garb?
Agree 100%, and it’s not just women. There used to be a coven of waspish old men who would write hateful reviews on Amazon of CDs with young male conductors. They would use nicknames that ridiculed aspects of the conductor’s appearance. I wrote a response (back when you could) objecting to this, and was “schooled” by one of them, who informed me that it was “just playful banter among the cognoscenti”. The total lack of self-awareness did not surprise me.
Here's waiting for Yuja Wang to play the Beethoven-Liszt Symphony No.9 in her flashiest (and fleshiest) outfits. It will be worth the wait!
David, I couldn't agree with you more! How Yuja dresses has absolutely NOTHING to do with her artistry! I'm glad you made this video because I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain about her attire. I, for one, pay absolutely NO attention to her atire once she pounces on those keys. It completely goes out the window for me! (And BELIEVE me I LOVE the way she dresses and presents herself on stage!!). Bravo to you for calling out the "philistines!". (I DO however take issue with your review of the album. I thought it was magnificent but that's another story)!
What I see in Yuja Wang's wardrobe is pride in the way she equates pianistic preparation and its relation to physical fitness. I may have begun by looking at how she dresses but was soon drawn to her strength of arm, wrist, hand, and the remarkable near-equality of strength in all ten fingers.
Norman Lebrecht's brain explodes every time he sees her. He's always complaining about her outfits, but then he is puritanically English.
And he adores Khatia Buniashtivili...go figure
Regarding the sexism in the industry....don't even get started on the young girl violinists....Midori, Sarah Chang, et al. (pedo anyone?)....even going back to Delana Jenson, who had her Strad taken from her because she decided to get married. then going further back to include Erica Morini and Michele Auclaire. Sexism still reigns supreme in classical music, sad to say.
The more I watch this channel, the more I'm impressed with not only your music criticism but also your morality and personality. Sometimes I am deeply conflicted when celebrities/personalities I like show their "true colors," but when you do I'm nothing but smiles.
I’ve nothing to add, except very well said Dave! What Yuja Wang chooses to wear is her business, nobody else’s. Unfortunately in today’s social media age, too many people think they have the right to express their opinion, no matter how inappropriate or offensive it is.
IMHO, everybody does have the right to express their opinion.
If you are referring to the legal right to express an opinion, yes - but morally there is not always such a right, which is what is being discussed here.@@timpani25
Actually, that’s what living in a free society means…everyone does get to express their opinion regardless of how inane or offensive others find it.
Thank you so much for saying this. Yuja Wang is an amazing artist, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a little showmanship too. I really can’t understand the people that have a problem with her.
Sad to say, it sometimes just goes down simply to sexism or racism...
Excellent context. The frat boy thing is pretty much de rigueur all over the comments of any video on RUclips where a woman of any degree of attractiveness is doing anything. The athletics videos are a free for all of thirsty people who just need to touch grass and get a girlfriend, but can't because they're so odiously sexist in the first place. I believe the people who do this are the most likely to support the taking away of women's rights. It's a big topic, but you addressed it very well. I like Yuja Wang and I think she understands very well that there is s showmanship aspect in a show business career. You get that.
Yes
Liberace was a "Las Vegas entertainer," and did more to bring classical music to the working class than Van Cliburn ever did.
Hi Dave,
Appreciate your comments as I usually do. I think you are a great, entertaining educationalist -much as the late LB was- and I solely tune in to hear what YOU say and generally don't spend time reading other people's comments (although the few I have read were pretty good). I really don't mind if the other subscribers don't read mine. I write to YOU. I am not on social media (except, I guess, on this one) and the one that is the best known starting aptly with "F" is one I abhor and find poison. Keep up the good work and I have heard Wang's playing. I wish I had a tenth of her talent. I do find her physical appearance zaftig, though and is appealing to the eye. But I get that her artistry is what counts on this platform and I wish you all the best for the New Year and much health and happiness.
On a similar note here - it’s relevant. There’s another famous pianist who gets flak for being “superficial” or lacking depth in Rachmaninov. And that’s Vladimir Horowitz. After the discussion on here I went and listened to his third piano concerto with Reiner, and oh my. The orchestra/ piano balances are quite wrong, but how can something so wrong feel so right? ;) The finale, in particular is an absolute thrill, certainly no dead spots (!), entertainment at its most irresistible. Makes you wonder what people who want “depth” really mean… I have read some very sniffy reviews of his supposedly superficial approach here.
Which reminds me, you haven’t aid much about Horowitz. If a top ten episode is tricky/ time consuming, maybe you could do a “ripe for reissue” about his Carnegie Hall box? Some shockingly good things in there and it’s a good overview (although the particular recording I was just listening to isn’t in there). Pretty much all the Horowitz any sane listener would want.
My first exposure to Ms. Wang was via her "Transformation" album. I bought it after reading a review that made it sound worth the purchase; I had no idea about her appearance. My reaction was that the album was made by a thoughtful artist who, by the way, was unusually skillful at getting the keys down. Nothing since has prompted me to change my view of her and her playing.
And lets be honest - she looks fabulous whenever she sets foot on a stage.Lucky Us!!!
I always saw her fashion statements as an extra bonus to her great skill as a pianist.
This reminds me of the palaver that used to surround the British pianist Eileen Joyce, who used to change her outfit during the interval at her recitals
. Somehow this was supposed to detract from the quality of her performance, which of course was ridiculous
I saw a video not long ago where she was taking some pianistic pointers from Leon Fleisher in his studio. She was dressed casually, which you would expect. She knows she is in the field of show business, knows what she’s got, and accentuates it while she can. What’s not to love?
Thank you so much...the Lady can play her ass off....she has always dressed in this manner ...in german " hol wie weiss brot" empty like bread....I am an Afro American singer and Dozent living in Germany...you cannot realize what I have gone through....Black or white a woman still must work harder and be perfect in proficiency....FAZIT: The woman can PLAY!!!!!
I sympathize with your comments about the sexism in the industry and this is certainly both hypocritical and very unfair. Nevertheless, Wangyujia has herself chosen to dress in that way, and because of that I'm also inclined to think that anyone who chooses to so do so should more or less expect some kind of pushback. Anyway, I agree people should wear whatever they feel comfortable in and personally do not care what she (or anyone else) wears to a music concert. The most interesting thing about the whole thing though is that I'm afraid to say, she is definitely not "beautiful" and is, in fact, a very average looking Chinese woman/tom boy (just ask someone from China and I'm sure they will agree with me). The funny thing is that people in classical music seem to have no idea what a "beautiful" woman looks like (especially Chinese) so the whole 'debate' is mostly older men who see anyone in a skimpy dress as 'beautiful', which is clearly just not the case. If you want to see a beautiful woman going to a classical music concert is usually counterproductive (and, to deflect accusations of sexism away, I'm afraid this usually goes for the men as much as the women). Having said all that, she remains one of my favorite living pianists who I've already seen twice (Hangzhou and Guangzhou).
It is a shame that the truth and beauty of music do not improve the character of the listener. Some of the biggest scoundrels in history loved music and loved no one -- and there's no need to mention them. All my affection to Yuja Wang, this great artist, worthy of all admiration and respect.
Wholly agree. It's the music that matters.
Bravo for these comments!!! I tend to be very puritanical in many of my opinions on social conditions. However, your comments are absolutely true and warranted. I'm a big admirer of Miss Wangs phenomenal technique. I don't always like every performance she delivers but I can't say that of any musician.
I particularly enjoyed your comments about Tzimon Barto a.k.a. Johnny Barto Smith. I well remember his performances in Houston while Eschenbach conducted the orchestra here.
How a performer dresses doesn't concern me whatsoever. Whether or not that performer is pretentious - that's a different matter.
On the topic of the famous 'Ninth' I think you need a special outfit for whenever you refer to Mendelssohn's Scottish Symphony. I reckon you would look good in a kilt.
I have this image of Wanda Landowska in a strapless gown......... As usual, you are right on the mark.
Off topic from this video, but I am glad you stated that your major issue with the recent release was not with her specifically. I kinda got that from the review, but it was good to hear you say that here.
What I just love about her is that she has brought a new energy to serious music to young people find her 'with it' I love those black hotpants she wore in one of her concerts. Keep them coming,those great outfits. Thanks Dave . Here in South Africa we still have that stodgy outlook on how musicians should look on the concert stage!!
Totally agree, and your editorial cut to your classy attire for Beethoven’s 9th made me laugh very hard 😂
Thank you Dave for taking time to call out this stupid behavior. I've been to concerts (mainly chamber or soloist ones) where male artists look like they've just come in from a three day lost weekend bender and sometimes I've found THAT distracting. But ultimately it's about the music. Ms Wang as you say has style and is eyecatching, very fine virtuoso player, and she's successful: so I think an element of sour grapes accompanies some of those kind of comments also.
7:13 - LOL, is it even possible to be an "incel wannabe" 😛? But seriously, having read the comment sections on some of Wang's performances, I 100% agree with you.
I love all your points, Dave! Thank you for stating them so well, and so succinctly! The same observations you make here, I believe, could be said about the violinist Lara St. John (in reference to the early part of her career, and the backlash she got for her album covers). I think part of the problem among certain masses-not just the overgrown juveniles, but even the garden-variety Victorian-minded snobs, is one of over-compartmentalization. Some of the same folks who traditionally accept a bit of sexiness on the part of the performers in, say, an opera by Mozart or Massenet, will immediately go and turn their noses up should they see a similar level of "sex appeal" shown during a performance of an instrumental work by the same composers! "But opera is different...," some of that crowd will argue. Nonsense! Opera is Classical music too-obviously. And, really, most classic opera composers never insisted that the likes of a Franco Corelli and Jonas Kaufmann should go shirtless for certain roles, or that a soprano like Anna Netrebko wear a slinky nightie while flirting with Roberto Alagna onstage during act II of "Manon." No, those are personal choices made by the company and performers staging the opera. And yet, it is, overall, more widely accepted. Just because... Back in Caruso's day, virtually everyone in opera AND instrumental music dressed fairly conservatively-even Wagner's Rhinemaidens! But this isn't 1915. It is over a a hundred years later, and Victorian America no longer exists-thank God!
I think she's a great pianist. I ve been to two of her recitals in London. One was just amazing, absolute fantastic. Listen to her Prokofiev Toccata. Fantastic. The other was not like the first, but the person next to me said he felt he didn't need to hear Liszt because he'd heard Yuja. I don't get Yuja bashing. Also I think she got her first break as a stand in for Argerich, so she must have thought Yuja was pretty good
Superb post. There's a particular UK music critic, an arrogant arse with a popular blog who considers himself the arbiter of taste and musicality and who has been forecasting the death of classical music for decades and has been wrong every time, and who cannot avoid referring to Wang's looks and clothes like a dirty old uncle, who really does need to shut up and focus on the notes instead. I suspect he has nothing useful to say about those. (He's also right-wing and misses no opportunity to spread hate for the BBC and 'wokeness' and modern trends in programming.) Wang is a fantastic pianist - a musical Lang Lang hahaha - and i think it's great that she wears what the hell she wants and sticks two fingers up at the misogynists and racists who doubt her talent.
Well said!
Wow. Bulllseye.
I’m with you all the way! Really looking forward to attending Yuja Wang’s performance of Bartok’s Concerto 2 with the NSO in November whatever she wears or doesn’t wear!!
Completely agree, she is a wonderful artist. Could not care less about the dresses. I will say, I haven’t seen a male performer who you could compare as far as showing skin/ provocative dressing. Maybe there is some adonais showing off his muscles, while doing Mozart, but I haven’t seen him. I think if a man did what she does, it wouldn’t go over nearly as well. NOT THAT I MIND- she is beautiful. Some male performers might get away with being unattractive, but I can’t see a beautiful man dressing that provocatively for a classical performance, and getting away with it.
Tzimon Barto (a.k.a. Johnny Smith) tried it, sort of. He is a bodybuilder (and probably better at that).
Excellent comments! Agree completely. Women do have a challenge in relation to what they wear. By the way, I love Wang. Her playing and her energy! And I get to see her this month in Chicago!!
Sanctimony is indeed the No. 1 self-defeating traits of the culture of this genre
When I can actually afford to go to a concert--and it's not often--and if there's a conductor or performer who's distracting me too much from the music, I just close my eyes and listen. Concerts are expensive & I need to enjoy my time while I'm there.
Couldn't agree more.
Great video, great thoughts, Mr Hurwitz. This attitude towards women (or anyone else really) is sick. It's time for it to stop. Thank you.
This is exactly why I despise Norman Lebrecht. He's made a living out of talking about it (his comment section is vile)
I agree...but hate also drives subscribers for him. No different than left or right news or podcasts...
Amen sir! I saw one of those comments yesterday on your Yuja Wang/Rqchmaninoff video and was tempted to tell the commenter that they were using the wrong sensory organ (eyes instead of ears). I’m sure that comment has now been deleted, and rightfully so.
Artistic and musical merit is worth to be discussed. All the rest is nonsense!
I would never want to have a no-bullshit guy like you as my enemy. Keep up speaking up!
I came to this channel for the insightful reviews and stayed for the Beethoven's Ninth tie jokes. Thanks for pointing out the sexist commentary that swirls around female musicians, but Yuja Wang in particular.
Old Menahem Pressler said: she is absolutely wonderfull! And so she is.
And he was a major grump.
I believe Johanna Martzy's contract with EMI Columbia was cut short because she refused the advances of Walter Legge, unlike a certain prominent soprano who married him. Quite right though, may Ms. Wang flaunt her technical equipment as long as it is in first rate condition.
She was not a contralto!
True. Corrected.@@DavesClassicalGuide
By the same argument if female soloists can wear what they want then male soloists can also wear what they want, even showing off their muscular bodies in the flesh, and same with conductors and orchestral and chamber players. It overlooks the traditional aspects of performing classical music. It's not totally a female sexist issue. So lets scrap the traditional black attire. Decades ago I attended a concert and Martha Argerich was already wearing high heels, and Nigel Kennedy was already wearing punky (?) hairstyle.
My reaction to her dresses is generally amusement and an occasional eye-roll. I have heard nothing of Tzimon Barto since seeing him in recital about 15 years ago, but I certainly do remember the puffy shirt! But what earned a special eye-roll was his reading of his own poetry.
Hi Dave, this was a good video. Im glad you posted it. I feared as soon as you posted your review, that regardless of your opinion on her playing, would cue the assaults and sanctimonious judgements on her attire and looks. I enjoy her playing for the most part, and do not know of dress requirements for good piano performance. This is ironic concerning the way piano soloists acted and performed in the 19th century. These sanctimonious slobs have definite issues and immaturity.
Paul
Thanks for the deletions Dave; monomania against Ms. Wang have no valid critical purpose...
Thanks Dave. What can one say? I saw some of these comments before they were (rightly) deleted. I don’t even see how her outfits are particularly outrageous in the context of the wider music scene. Or movie scene or whatever. Whatever the quality of particular performances she always looks great, and I have to assume this helps her feel great and give of her best.
One moment you’re an immensely talented pianist, next minute people on their sofas are (pretty explicitly) saying you’re a prostitute.
I’m gay,but I can recognise an attractive woman, and also that her attire is not a problem. Maybe some of the male performers could learn a bit from her? And oh yes because it’s music there’s no real need to look at these people at all.
The ones I noticed were the sexist ones, sorry @@sacre1913
And depends what they were saying. There were some that we’re doing some “Dave has it in for the recording” thing, as though there are bad motivations, others saying it’s the greatest piano recording ever (without saying why). It’s easy to just infiltrate the discussion with unsupported comments here, so yes, they get deleted. His opinion if you watched the video was pretty nuanced and respectful to the artist. On the probabilities it’s very unlikely any new recordings of these vastly over recorded works are going to be the very best, I’m sorry if that’s a problem for you, but he was doing a job as a critic and with his own judgement. Arguments as to why it’s “ridiculous “ are of course welcome. @@sacre1913
Oh dear. Absurd hyperbole, sorry @@sacre1913
As I was commenting on a post, you obviously just deleted it! As you should have; yet I still want to post my response to it, because it demonstrated an attitude toward critics that is often commonly held:
"Sorry Carolyn, critical bashings, and praise, are a necessary part of the landscape for any artist that puts their 'heart and soul' into art to make a living from a paying public. When the critique is backed by intelligence and not prejudice, it can also often be illuminating. Yes, every critic has their preferences and biases, and we can agree or disagree with them (as I often do here). But Dave, being a musician himself (and over his life knowing and being on friendly terms with many musicians himself) is well aware of the effect criticism can have on them. It is his right to critique something put out for financial 'investment'; and a necessary thing it is too in a thinking society.
Saying it should not be so is agreeing with many politicians today, and oligarchs/dictators every day, to whom any free discussion of the effect of policies or performances is anathema and should be eliminated. You claim to be a pro and make a living off public dollars, criticism is a valid part of the territory, however much we may individually hate it at times..."
Thank you for this, but I have a somewhat simpler take on it. Recordings are consumer products, and as often as not compete with other products containing exactly the same content (in classical music, anyway). It's like buying different brands of toilet paper. Some are better than others. Some do what they claim to do better than others. It's a Mitzvah to help people choose the best value for their money, and to call out the producers of inferior product.
Your take is, as usual, more specifically on point and succinct than mine. The wise consumer needs wise resources to make informed purchases; you as an intelligent and experienced musician, provide one of those resources to us... @@DavesClassicalGuide
I have seen Ms. Wang half a dozen times. Three times she absolutely blew me away with her greatness, and three times I thought she was meh. I do enjoy her stage presence.
Coincidentally, I let Apple pick the music for my drive home yesterday evening, and it played me her Rach 2. I enjoyed it very much--her ability to articulate individual notes while maintaining speed, and shaping phrases, is to me a wonder. I also did not find the piano to be particularly forward, but perhaps that is because of the acoustics of my car.
The only “Reverence” I give to classical music is entirely to do with listening and nothing to do with anything to do with the artist’s own idiosyncrasies or behaviour, I agree with Szell that I find background listening to be an insult to the music and I never do it. However this is entirely personal and I don’t judge anyone for their listening habits. Also just proper conduct when in a concert hall but that should go without saying.
Speaking of entertainers, what do you think of Lang Lang's playing/recordings? It's a very controversial topic in the "Temple" of Classical music
Dave, I agree with you about the 9th! Last Spring I played it for the first time. This orchestra used to wear tails pre-pandemic, but started wearing concert black afterwards. If there's one work you bust out the tails for, it's *the ninth* 👔! I had run around for a couple months before the concert trying to purchase and assemble the whole outfit - I'm in my 20s, and it was difficult. All that work to just wear concert black for the 9th - which seems inappropriate - I was disappointed to say the least. Other orchestras still require tails so it wasn't for nothing.
On another note, turtlenecks are quintessential string player fashion. Just keep it in mind. It's hilarious
"99% of these people have not heard the recordinsg!" So true!
Very well said Dave. When I first cam across your videos the thing that struck me was that you focused on the music and the performance, not the personality. Our society seems to have a problem separating art from the artist. Obviously there are extreme examples of unpleasant people who make art, but for the most part the art should be the focus. Not who the person is or what they look like or what they wear. The "dress code" for classical music performance is ridiculous to begin with. I used to perform in a concert band (before they kicked me out) in tuxedos and it is terrible. I think orchestra's would perform better if they could wear shorts and aloha shirts rather than 18th Century lounge wear. Maybe if we could drop the pretense that this music deserves some kind of special decorum not reserved for other types of performances they audience would expand. Or maybe they would like it if she played the piano in sweat pants and a baggy t-shirt?
If Yuja Wang can wear so little, let's give men the same liberty. Have you seen Berlin Philharmonic's clarinetist Andreas Ottensamer? He's a super hot guy with a beautiful body. When he can wear a speedo and a sleeveless shirt to a performance, I'll be happy.
Yuja wears glamorous evening attire suitable for a woman. She isn't about lowering dress standards.
It’s completely irrelevant in the context of recordings, and indicative of persistent sexism and double-standards. But I do think it is somewhat relevant in the context of live performances. I once sat in the front row in one of her concerts at the Kennedy Center years ago, and it was very distracting. I think that issue would be different if the stage were not elevated.
Dave, I have listened to Yuja Wang for many years. I have always enjoyed her piano playing. As for her provocative wardrobe, that is frosting on the cake.
Eileen Joyce used to come out wearing a different gown for each piece. I adored her playing. I don't care for Yuja Wang's playing. What they wear and how they look has nothing to do with it.
And Joyce was criticized for that by many male critics at the time; distracting from the brown sugar and beer solemnness of the music! And when she dared to show even a bit of cleavage, oh my! If your soul is too disturbed by such, close your eyes and listen. Joyce was a marvelous pianist, but I cross swords with you here, so is Yuja Wang...
Thank you. I suspect you are right about these sartorial critics never listening to Yuja Wang's wonderful playing. I would add they may be pent up as well. Time for them to stop being so cranky and try to appeal to another person - maybe they will get lucky.
Wang's attractiveness is a selling point for Classical music. I started to listen to opera because I thought Renee Fleming was gorgeous. Once I took time from looking and started to listen, I was hooked.
Regarding showy entertainers in classical music : Franz Liszt anyone? :)
Anyone who does not like what Yuja Wang is wearing should just shut their eyes and listen to the music. She is simply fantastic--plays with all kinds of sensitivity, intelligence and technical brilliance. Thanks goodness we have such a wonderful musical interpreter in our generation.
My God, people really feel an urge to comment on that? It didn't even occur to me when I watched the Rachmaninoff video. I'm a fan of Ms Wang, her tone is brilliant and extremely virtuoso, I do like her Ravel cto's for example. Musically she still has to grow further, I admit. But it's not all flash and dazzle in her playing. So I propose we keep those thoughts to ourselves and enjoy the music, AND the view...
I personally find most of Yuja Wang's recordings sort of boring, but she's an entertainer and this is show business when she takes the stage. That's all there is to it. The folks who are bothered by her dresses are also the ones who put classical music on some sort of spiritual pedestal. Get over it.
I think the same issue (may be to a lessor degree) can apply to Lang Lang's facial expressions and body movements too. For some people, these things disturb them and have a negative effect for their listening experiences. For me, I just focus on the music and definitely don't care about the clothing, shoes, etc. In my opinion, people can wear whatever they choose to wear as long as it is not against the law and not hurting and harming others. If you don't like it, just don't listen and don't watch it, and should not make disrespectful comments in any situation
i think from now on that every performer (male and female) should dress like they are in the north pole. no skin is showing through that!
Or behind a curtain maybe like in auditions?
And thus began the Era of the Inuit Pianist...
The same thing happened to Venessa Mae many years ago but of course Wang is a much bigger name now.
Thank goodness for your comments. She can wear what she likes. As you say she plays wonderfully well.
WTF has her wardrobe got to do with the aspiration to universal musical performance/scholarship ??? Nothing! This is now where musical discourse finds itself. And Dave, i 100% agree that these misogynists have not listened to her Rachmaninoff 3. Which ain’t exactly great, but that’s beside the point. And who made them the harbingers of taste? I’ve heard Ms Wang live twice. She replaced Martha Argerich at the last moment in Beethoven’s Piano Concerto 2 here in Sydney. Dutoit conducting. She did a damn good job. Personally, I didn’t care for her recording of Rachmaninoff 2 with Abbado. But make no mistake this young woman’s technique if formidable. I also heard her recital. Her Chopin Sonata 3 was monumental. Especially in the slow movement. . After intermission she appeared wearing another fabulous outfit. And why shouldn’t she? Is she supposed to dress down, and look like some dour hausfrau??? She sat and played 2 Scriabin sonatas: 2 & 9 “Black Mass”. The torrents of sound in the 9th were like the roar of the ocean. Phenomenal. She then tossed off Ismaley like it was Ba Ba Black Sheep. What a thrilling recital. Misogyny STILL runs through a certain male “subculture “. Just the comments alone from the “Marys”seated near me were so APPALLING i nearly list my lunch.
Dave, have you ever talked about Kathleen Battle and what happened to her? From my point of view (Sweden ...) she was badly treated by Mr Volpe, her colleges and the press. She was black, she was a music teacher without ordinarie education in opera, she very Quick became a favourite of James Levine. She didn't have a big voice (Jessica Bjoerling didn't have a big voice as well). Things like that doesn't make you popular among other operatic singers. Well, maby she was a diva, but can't we afford yet another diva? Ther's so many of them and who cares. Her operatic career where stopped in a very brutal way and we were robbed on many recordings that should have been made with her in the cast.
Sorry for my bad english.
She was obnoxious and people had enough of it, and her. No big deal.
Brilliant performance of the Rachmaninov's Paganini Rhapsody at this seasn's BBC Proms by Yuja Wang and the BBC Symphony Prchestra conducted by Klaus Mäkelä.
I hadn't heard of Yuja Wang until I came across your video, so of course I immediately looked her up to see what all the brouhaha was about. Well, those dresses certainly are interesting. I think we need to remember that all music (including classical music) is a part of the entertainment industry, and Ms Wang is just giving us the complete package, which is great value for money. It would be much more distracting if she walked onstage looking like a dog's breakfast.
Absolutely right! Good for you for calling out this kind of behavior.
I was having a bad day and then I looked at the alerts under the bell and clicked on the video. Every time I hear Hello Friends it always cheers me up then anything to do with classical music keeps my interest for hours. Best classical music channel on you tube.
Thank you!
A major culprit is Norman Lebrecht, the owner of Slipped Disc blog. The dresses are a major obsession of his. It becomes painful clickbait
Totally on point Mr Hurwitz. Well said.
I ain't gonna lie as soon as I saw the cover, Yuja Wang's legs got my eyes turned into magnifying glasses, but hey she has nice legs and if that was her purpose to cause a stir and have tounges wagging..then she has mine..but also If I were her I would equally want as much praise or more for her performance.. I do not know if it was a good rendition but I will take your advice Dave and give this CD a pass....