He's actually true because in reality we also wanted to see Tom Holland's Spiderman to have same struggle as other spidermans as well and now it happened in nwh and we enjoyed it 🗿
Exactly there's so many people who do good things and they just hate them. Mr beast for example this dude has done more for the earth since God put it here and so many people hate him
@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf no he got the money from donations and ad revenue. He has a RUclips channel of 100M. And sue him for letting little Timmy live longer
@@Spiralredd except Mr. Beast doesn’t have the character of a hero. Spider-Man saves people and wanting nothing back in return besides a safer city. MrBeast does everything for profit, capitalizes off of helping people. He does good stuff, but he’s not on the same level as a firefighter
I think people are like this because maybe somewhere, they want to see people rise up to odds to find motivation since it may be hard for them to find it within themselves.
Never realized it until now but Osborn talks from personal experience. After everything he did for Oscorp, they turned their back on him and expunged him. In his evil twisted way, Osborn is trying to save Parker from what he went through
@@wchambers11 Wasn't the roof top scene the part where Norman kills himself with the glider at the end? If so that came way after the Thanksgiving scene.
I like the line. “Peter.. you’re struggling to have everyyything you want. While the world tries to make you choose.” It’s different lines but they mean the same.
Simple quotes that leave questions or answer questions swiftly are the way to make a legendary scene. There is a quote from Halloween that achieves this same effect lemme go fetch it. Edit: here ruclips.net/video/7Blq11wjG30/видео.html
And Peters response to this was simple but powerful "Because its right" he's not doing this to be loved hes doing this because its his responsibility as the saviour of New York and most importantly because its the right thing to fucking do, this shit inspires me to be a better person
Sure. Except the right thing depends on your perception of what's right and wrong, which is subjective. One man's perception of right and wrong in the eyes if another. There's only one true source of right and wrong, an objective source, which is obviously God. Now it's up to you to decide by asking those with knowledge which religion you cling to.
Great dialogue like this just isn't in movies anymore because nowadays most movies are written by a bunch of woke kids who need to spell everything out.
This really applies to Tobey. He was loved then hated then the whole world loves him again. And he set the tone for Spiderman to be great..he's a legend
People whop changed their mind on Tobey just because he made an appearance in NWH are almost directly aimed at by that quote. Love him at first or hate him for no reason but make a choice and stop shifting ffs
@@squish162 There's growing and changing your opinion as the world and your worldview changes, and then there's literally jumping on bandwagons and being easily swayed by all that hearsay nonsense. One is a normal thing, the other is a sign of just being a dumbfuck.
Tobey : "I missed the part, where that's my problem." William Dafoe delivery of this script was top notch, the tonality & little pauses in between dialogue just *CHEF KISS* 👌
mr beast isn’t a hero though. he’s an exploiter who wants fame. his charitable acts aren’t done through being virtuous, but to move himself up in the world
@@oliverhyde4316why bother building wells,houses,helping people with hearing problems and helping people see things for the first time so why bother...
Especially since it arguably applies to tom’s peter the most. He had the longest time to be praised by the general public and then it all comes crashing down hard
This is the reason why Goblin is the arch nemesis, despite Octopus being such a well written villain as well. He broke Peter's mind in NWH as well. He even gave a similar speech about how the world wanted to take everything Peter strive to have. Chills!!!
Both technically are but otto in the comics really is one dimensional where Green Goblin has always been given more to himself like he is harrys father and he killed Peters first love gwen and when they brought him back in the 90s he set up the whole clone saga which is terrible btw but I am a sucker for green goblin and then there was that thing with Gwen they did later we shall not mention cause we all pretend it doesnt exist. I hope in Toms universe they do the Hob Goblin and play into it like the whole movie is about finding out who he is cause Tom hates and is afraid of the green goblin. HobGoblin always sucked in the comics hopefully they can improve on it.
@@Desk_Neck_then what should he do to be forgiven? It's not like people are just gonna forgive him if he made an apology and compensated the people he scammed. They literally want his life to be ruined, so what should he do?
@@Desk_Neck_ what wrongs? like editing videos to make it look intense? for entertainment purposes? can we actually look at the more important picture here? everyone is looking at his "internet crimes" like they never heard about "reality" TV shows. things are done for entertainment. "But still! He fooled us! He shouldn't be forgiven!" The "bad things" he's done in the internet doesn't impact anyone but the content. The good things he's done in the real world will never weigh the same as the things he's accused of online.
This is basically Green Goblin's version of Harvey Dent's, "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian". The phrase rings true in most cases.
I love that he's actually speaking from experience and not just out his ass. The board discarded him the second they thought he was done being useful for the company. In spite of his sacrifices
It’s great writing, but precisely because it shows how deluded Green Goblin is: that he thinks of himself when speaking about heroes, as if he ever was anything close to that.
@@DiGreatDestroyerBut do you know how much he sacrificed?! Seriously though, it's a great point that I don't see addressed enough, Osborn is WRONG. He's trying to project his cutthroat corporate worldview on the wider world.
@@DiGreatDestroyerfinally somebody got this right. The number of edgelords in this comment section is mind-boggling. Im low-key concerned with this tendency to stan mass murderers and psychopaths cause of tHe SoCiEtY
@@ВікторКушнір-й8о He's not a hero himself, no. But as a character, he's still projecting his own experience with feeling discarded- in spite of his presumed importance, onto Spiderman, regardless of the actual morality of anything of he's done.
This is the difference between the hero and the villain. the villain’s always goes with the argument “why do anything at all if it is useless” but the heroes always reply with “Because it is the right thing to do”. It was and always will be about saving people’s lives because it is what a hero does regardless of the fame and money they get. Which is why we love spiderman
"Despite everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you." That hits hard seeing as it's true in reality. You could do something amazing for loads of people but then suddenly they can just hate you.
This is because people you assist are almost invariably dependent. If you don’t do everything they need forever, you’ve failed them. Avoid dependent people.
Don’t worry the Almighty knows that’s all that matter and keep intentions pure. For example don’t do for show because it’s people’s nature some can get jealous.
"What do people love more than a hero, spiderman?" "Don't you fucking say it." "A foe." "For fucks sake..." "And what am I, spiderman?" "Please just stab me already..." "I'm Dafoe." "Goddammit."
Willem Dafoe played this part amazingly. His delivery and cadence is like a theater play. The OG Spider Man movies has aged so incredibly well. Still the best films aside from the animated ones.
@yoseph.Imma back up op on this sorta, if you take this scene as Norman talking to Peter and take into account what he said right before he died that he’s been like a father to Pete this does take on a warped perspective of wholesome.
@Sprite Whether or not something is wholesome is all about feelings. All I see is a deranged man talking down to a teenager he beat up. So, no, it isn't wholesome.
This is a haunting quote that serves as a perfect example of what makes Goblin so terrifying. Yes he's essentially a terrorist with super strength and access to sci fi levels of military grade technology but he is first and foremost a manipulator. He actively attempts to gaslight Peter into believing that being a hero will 1) prove pointless in the end and 2) result in innocent lives being lost. The only thing stronger than Goblins urge to kill and destroy is his need for absolute control over anything he deems a threat to his power.
Nah, he wasn't smiling. When people smile there's a noticeable shift in the lower eyelid because you have to lift up your cheek slightly to smile. So he's talking with a really cold look if his eyes are just cutting daggers into Spidey in this scene....
I really love how this quote is what puts Goblin and Spiderman as complete opposites. Osborn spent years improving the world, giving everything to his company because he believed it would improve humanity. He even tested his super soldier thing on himself being sure it would take the human race to its true potential. Amd yet they turned their backs on him and screwed him over.
Norman Osborn is essentially a failed hero - he strove to do good but his sacrifices were deemed insufficient by those he tried to help, which embittered him. The Green Goblin epitomizes the saying "if you can't be a good example, be a bad warning" for Peter.
All you can see in this scene is his eyes, but you can tell Willem Dafoe is giving his all in his facial expressions. I can see why they decided to show his face more in NWH.
I like how he actually spoke to Peter like a teacher, serious and fast, almost as if he cared about Spider Man and his choices in life, thinking that his nihilistic mindset was right and an example for Spider-Man to follow.
Goblin is right, and that's what makes him such a compelling villain. You understand his motivations, because he had everything taken from him. Not only did he have his company stolen from him, but he was also forced to give up valuable time with the son he loved because of it. He felt like the world had betrayed him despite everything he did for it. The Goblin is the very personification of this idea of hatred brewing within Norman Osborn. But I think Peter's response to Goblin's question is just as beautiful and legendary. "Because it's right." It doesn't matter what we're going through. It doesn't matter the power we have. We can ALWAYS choose to do the right thing. And that's exactly what Peter does. It's what SPIDER-MAN does. It's why Goblin was ultimately wrong in both Spider-Man 1 and No Way Home. Because both Peters did the right thing and rejected Goblin's evil philosophy, their goodness overcame Goblin's evil. Spider-Man is a beautiful tale of good triumphing over evil even when choosing evil and rejecting good would be so much easier. It's about choosing to always do the right thing because you are given the power to do so. Not because of what people will think about you, or if they will hate you. But because you KNOW it's right. With great power comes great responsibility.
Good & bad/ Right & wrong is a social construct created by those in power. If those power were what we considered to be "evil "& they taught us to be "evil" over time then most people would be "evil". What's acceptable is all based on power. The world is amoral & Goblin understands it. But it's great movie nonetheless & people don't want a depressing ass message like that.
@@4OR-Designs It's sad because the truth only hurts because of all the lies. The truth wouldn't hurt if you weren't living so many lies in the first place. Which is why people need to learn what "get over yourself" means on it's ultimate level.
I loved his brutality in no way home when hes beating ten bells out of holland " strong enough to have it all.... TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!!" genuine chills
I love the moment when Green-Goblin is proven wrong, when New York throws items at Green Goblin on the bridge so that he can save both the people in the cart and Mary Jane.
Well he was proven right in NWH... Also I would imagine that the people at the bridge were ballsy because they dont think Goblin will attack all of them.
Proven wrong within the fictional story, sure, but on a meta level NWH proved him right. People are only just now cheering for Tom's Spidey after Goblin literally took his whole life from him.
Yeah his critics aside many times I see people winning money not having a shred of respect for him like they just came for money and will forget about him later
I like how goblin sounds like he actually believes he is helping Spider-Man and is genuinely confused as to why he continues to be a hero even though its screwing up his life
But then in contrast, in Spider-Man 2 Aunt May talks how being a hero is important. Goblin says you'll be hated for wanting do something good, but Aunt May says that you do something good because it's what you have to do.
Well he’s not wrong saving the city or world is something but that’s just it it’s “something” because you can either love doing it or do it out of obligation while the two can and are mixed with the trademark great power great responsibility trope it can easily fall into just responsibilities if peter was the only hero and his villain roster still existed it would be a I’m doing this because no one else can and not in the good way where everyone who isn’t morally dubious wants to be the hero of the story look at the spidersona trend for examples of that but that’s why being the hero is tbh sad in a way you can easily fall into a day job nightmare where you aren’t enjoying it and you’re essentially just a different version of one punch man doing something they loved
As a young boy, I only liked the action scenes and when spiderman fights with his villians.... But now as a young man I understand it more thoroughly and the acting is just pure gold
Felt the same way too. The scary part of the Goblin's speech it actually makes sense. And the worst part for Peter is that he's struggling to accept that he has a point.
@@gamexig2213 you should watch the show. But basically by being an Eminence in Shadow the whole world can hate you and it will have no effect whatsoever.
this quote is amazing but my favorite is "we all wear masks Spider-man, But which one is the real one the one that hides your face or the one that is your face?"
I like how it is followed up in Spider-man 2, where we see Peter and Spider-man are one and the same, as he saves somebody without the mask and has his mask fall off during the train scene.
I don't think that many heroes become heroes for other people, rather they become heroes for the sake of other people. The difference between the two things is care over expectation. A true hero saves the people because nobody else can, not because the people expect the hero to save them. In that aspect, I believe every hero becomes a hero for themselves because their personal journey demands it.
@@mankind4230tons of allegations, teaming up Logan and KSI who are hated by majority of the internet, ex employees of his saying he’s a bad person behind the scenes and some predatory stuff with Chris who’s a friend of his who he actively supports
It’s pretty cool when you realized that this film tapped into a few ideas that The Dark Knight would almost a decade later, such as the idea that people will only love a hero until they fall.
I mean he wasn’t really entirely right here. He was proven wrong later in the movie. So I guess he was wrong, yet right in a certain way since there’s good and bad people everywhere.
What’s also really creepy in this scene is that he’s using a relatively normal, subdued tone of voice. In my memory, Goblin was always hamming it up and gravely and hoarse, like in NWH when he says “can the Spider-Man come out to play”. So it’s jarring to come back and see him speaking so calmly. Yes he still has a sinister tone of voice, but it’s so subdued and his body language, his eyes, his mannerisms are so subdued here. This is when he is pulling all the stops to manipulate and gaslight Peter, and this is when he doesn’t mess around. It’s like in The Dark Knight when The Joker was called a freak by Gambol, he lost his sentence and got really quiet, before refocusing. Or when he was completely stumped and quiet when the people of Gotham refused to kill each other. Or when Thanos was meek and humble when trying to reconnect with Gamora during his “a small price to pay for salvation” scene. It’s scenes like this that show a person for villain for who they truly are. And this shows that the Goblin isn’t just a terrorist or a supersoldier gone wrong. He’s a demon who is not playing around when he’s devoting himself to his biggest goal in life - to corrupt, to destroy people from the inside. Whether it’s twenty years ago or today in theaters, the Green Goblin deserves ranking alongside the likes of Thanos, Heath’s Joker, Kilmonger, etc.
@@jordteps1775 yeah, green goblin and heath affect you from the inside out. While Thanos and kollmonger only stay in your mind for the duration of whatever film their in. I mean fuck, 20 years later and people still talk about green goblin, over a decade and people still talk about heath, but who the fuck is talking about Thanos or kollmonger? They are popcorn villians
Killmongers path was merely for egos sake, despite what he tried to do, it was against his own families wishes and eventually endangers them(typical third rate villain story). Comparing him to joker or green goblin is really comical.
Yeah, even after everything he did, helping people. Eventually people will hate him and forget the good things that he had done, just because one or two mistakes he made.
@@JOSIE_Music yea I think that’s problem You don’t give a f that Jimmy actually did lot of goods and just brought up the one big mistake he made which is enough people to trash on him
@@Whatzitooya891 i can acknowledge that jimmy did good. but it was built off the backs of child gambling fraud, illegal sweepstakes. And yes, it was a big mistake he defended a pedo.
As children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains. Spiderman was the first Superhero movie i watched as a child and i truly didn't understand what Goblin was talking about here. Coming back to this scene nearly 20years later with a different perspective, i can hear the wisdom under the madness.
Even though the “as children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains” saying has been memed to death it has a point. Especially with well written villains that have more motivation than just being a mustache twirling villain that is evil just for the sake of being evil. Villains with a real human motivation can be relatable at times.
Nah I never felt that lizard guy from amazing Spiderman to be relatable. Like who tf wants to evolve into lizards. Alteast if it was an advanced being I can understand
My favourite part of this is that Spider-Man’s whole being, his entire CHARACTER is a direct counter to everything he’s saying. We KNOW why he bothers, and why he won’t stop
I LOVE it when the hero and the villain get to battle their philosophies. There’s nothing better than complete opposites trying to win each other over with words. Daredevil did this really well too.
It should be the norm not the exception. Villains should be more like this, with complexity or like Thanos with the thought that the ends justifies the means since he wanted to ultimately save the universe even though it was by removing half the population. That is my gripe with avatar movie, the bad guy has no complexity.
@@Gl0ckb1te the avengers and I ultimately wanted the same thing the salvation of man, but my methods where deemed to extreme. Truly who is the real hero and villian if everything I said came to past.
Dafoe’s Goblin is hands down my favorite villain of all time. I find it kinda cool that I had the entire extended version of this speech memorized as a child. Raimi’s trilogy continues to have such a lasting impact on me and I am sure that is the case for a lot of people.
Aunt may destroyed these lines by saying - Everybody loves a hero, people line up for 'em, cheer for them, scream their names, and years later tell how they stood in the rain for hours just to get a glimpse of the one who told them to HOLD ON a second longer. I believe theres a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble. And finally allows us to die with pride. ❤️❤️❤️ These are just negative thoughts that the Goblin is trying to put on Peter's mind and nowadays people are also so negative due to the current situations that they all are agreeing blindly
In this movie, it came off as Gobby talking out of his butt, because this Peter was too new in his career as Spider-Man for it to relate. The later movies made good on it, but No Way Home is downright built on this premise. And judging by the audience response, and the fact that Peter loses everything and everyone, and that movie is now 4th on the highest grossing box office movies in history, Gobby’s words aged like a fine wine.
In that case then it’s no wonder that they made Goblin the main villain of the film. Phenomenal film, and groundbreaking (literally) performance from Willem Dafoe.
Jesus are you president of marvel public relations or something, NWHs box office has nothing to do with its quality, that movie is not canon to this one and the least memorable part of that movie is ironically the main character because that movie had to steal every other character to make it look good or feel like it mattered
and this quote is still relevant to this day/ rather more apparent with the rise of social media, look at how people engage themselves in things that will make them feel hate, it's like they are addicted to it. Whether it be a celebrity or an ordinary person, there will always be those who find happiness on watching successful people fail or the sufferings of those who try their best.
This is what i think is the Goblin's weakness: That he dosen't get across the idea that some people do stuff without seeking any sort of benefit from it. That people do what they do for the sake of others instead of themselves. This why i think he asks "Why bother?". He asks Spidey why he would help people if he isn't getting any benefits or even love or adulation from it. He never once stops to think that Spidey dosen't seek benefits from helping others.
That's my favourite thing about Goblin's quote. It can be universally applied. The meaning of what he was saying didn't just happen in the Maguire Trilogy, it happened with Garfield and Holland.
Absolutely brilliant.Green Goblin is easily the most scariest villain in the MCU so far.Maybe not the strongest but still the scariest.I mean what can you say about a guy who evilly laughs back at you when you hit him with a Winter Soldier strength punch
"They will eventually hate you." "That doesn't matter to me, I can be the most hated person in the world, but they can't away what makes me me. As long as I'm doing the right thing, saving people, being a hero, and standing for what's right; as long as I stick to my morals, I will always be the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man."
Well said. While there is some truth and wisdom in Green Goblins words it shouldn’t turn you away from doing what is truly right. Always do the right thing even if it means standing alone or being the only hero in a world full of villains. Irl, kindness nowadays- is more rare than you think.
It manipulation and true at the same time. Yes, green goblin only wanted Spider man to join him, but at the same time he’s not wrong, most people who does good or be a hero don’t always get praise, just outright hate. I hate it when a villain has a good point.
@@estudos6156 Tobey basically just says what’s true, he simply says ‘because it’s right.’ Peter doesn’t really refute what the Goblin says, in the scene right after this one he’s being persecuted by the Bugle for being Spider-Man and that proves that the Goblin is technically right. Peter’s point is that he just doesn’t care. If doing the right thing makes people hate him then gee that sure does suck, but he’ll keep doing it anyway. He won’t do what the Goblin does and spend the rest of his life using his power to get what he wants, he’ll keep doing the right thing in this pretty thankless world just to make it a better place and to make the people in it safer
This is true everywhere. In MCU, the public turned against him for being a hero. And, we the audience finally started cheering for Tom when he struggled. We love to see a hero fail. Now I feel bad lol.
People are entertained by seeing the struggle to the finish line is just as difficult for someone else. Some people cheer knowing that crossing the finish line is possible. Some hold contempt knowing they didn't do enough to cross the finish line.
Would have been so cool to see Goblin repeat this in NWH. it was a perfect example of Goblin's point that no one truly cares about the hero, but only about themselves.
Eh, I think the message gets across well enough in NWH. The Goblin just shifts his reasoning slightly, saying that "morality" is the problem instead of compassion. Here, the Goblin argues that eventually, everyone will turn away from Spider-Man. In NWH, the Goblin encourages Spider-Man to turn away from everyone else. And in a way, the Goblin's words have a lasting effect on Peter. He does end up turning away from everyone else, but not out of a lack of morality, but out of concern for their well-being and the greater universe. The Goblin's speech here does indeed come to pass, but for the exact opposite reason.
I don't know who is reading this, I don't even know whether i will be able to explain this with this much bad knowledge of english, however language doesn't matter sometimes. it has been 22 years after its release and suddenly today is the day, these lines are hitting me word by word.
" I never apologized." Norman "Green Goblin" from Spectacular spider man series, straight denying any responsibility of his action and the consequences that follows.
The part of life that is easy to understand is that which is closest to you. The darkness at the front of the tunnel or the light at the end of the tunnel. Stay at the starting line or make it to the finish line?
I remember watching this movie when I was 8. I didn't understand the meaning of what was mostly being said and I just enjoyed the action scenes like every other kid. As a young adult I come back to listen to this quote because not only does it give me goose bumps, but in a way I'm still trying to understand it. Every year that passes the message gets more clear.
Should look at eminem's history. From the mud to the top of the mountain, overcoming adversity, fans and haters, and much controversy. The controversy around him these details are pointless drama baiting, but when he was coming up, the storms he caused, and all because he talked about the truth. Give his "Zeus" a listen. In a way, he was doing what green goblin does and gave some advice to modern rappers. The fans will end up turning on you. As far as personal experience, what Green Goblin is talking about, is cynicism. You feel that kind of stuff from things like betrayal. Cynicism alone isn't harmful, and that kind of thought process is probably true, it's feeding and letting that cynicism devour you in turn, that is damaging.
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He's actually true because in reality we also wanted to see Tom Holland's Spiderman to have same struggle as other spidermans as well and now it happened in nwh and we enjoyed it 🗿
This is...terrifyingly...accurate
But a super hero with no struggles is boring.. people like to see a superhero where they can relate to
@@adamsin9260 "but the one thing they like more than a hero, is to see a hero fail"
@@P.P.Arcade 'so they can relate to them him/her'
that's why peter is different from other heroes. He has problems, like real world problems.
"You know what? You're right. This city doesn't deserve a hero."
_~Bully Maguire_
Proceed dancing to jazz music
Hip thrusts Green Goblin into several buildings
gonna put some dirt in your eye
"I missed the part where thats my problem"
Now dig on this
I also like his other quote.
“We are what we chose to be. Now choose!”
AAAAAAHHHHHHH
@@ApricityGlow ?
@@HealwaysRemembers. mary jane and the civilians screaming their lungs, organs, intestines, etc out of their body.
@@akiMKH uhm.. Ok
I love his other quote, its very inspiring
"You know I'm something of a scientist myself"
"Eventually they will hate you, why bother?"
Bro was foreshadowing Spiderman 3
GG was Thanos..
@@soumyadipXplore they love me
@@damienkun8786 Gonna put some dirt in your eye
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When a villains monologue is not pointless
Exactly there's so many people who do good things and they just hate them. Mr beast for example this dude has done more for the earth since God put it here and so many people hate him
@@Spiralreddhe denies Jesus little Timmy and got all his money from children online
@@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf no he got the money from donations and ad revenue. He has a RUclips channel of 100M. And sue him for letting little Timmy live longer
Mewtwo ✊️
@@Spiralredd except Mr. Beast doesn’t have the character of a hero. Spider-Man saves people and wanting nothing back in return besides a safer city. MrBeast does everything for profit, capitalizes off of helping people. He does good stuff, but he’s not on the same level as a firefighter
What’s more unsettling is that he is speaking the truth not only for fictional superheroes, but for people in real life.
But its turned out to be wrong so he's not speaking the truth. He's speaking his truth but not the actual truth.
@@Flip_91FTW Not his truth, a truth. The world is filled with both good and bad people
That’s why I behave like a cunt and get what I want
I think people are like this because maybe somewhere, they want to see people rise up to odds to find motivation since it may be hard for them to find it within themselves.
@@alexpowers5117 sometimes being a cunt is better than being a slave for an ungrateful people who is just using our kindness for their own profits
"No good deed goes unpunished" has a WHOLE new level to it.
1k likes without replies shows that peoples respect green goblin.
0:21;Because...it's right.
Him as the joker?
@Tube Surfer I'm watching this at 5 am I don't wanna sleep :(
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Never realized it until now but Osborn talks from personal experience. After everything he did for Oscorp, they turned their back on him and expunged him. In his evil twisted way, Osborn is trying to save Parker from what he went through
Excellent analysis.
OMG, great catch! The Goblin is a distilled version of Norman's worst traits, so this would make complete sense!
Damn I never realised that
You deserve a cookie for that!
Galaxy sized brain moment
Notice goblin didnt unmask him. Respect
😂
Cus he was finna hit em with that Yea'
He already knew it was peter because of the blood on his hand during the Thanksgiving dinner scene.
@@Inferno45 That was after their talk on the rooftop.
@@wchambers11 Wasn't the roof top scene the part where Norman kills himself with the glider at the end? If so that came way after the Thanksgiving scene.
I like the line. “Peter.. you’re struggling to have everyyything you want. While the world tries to make you choose.” It’s different lines but they mean the same.
Strong enough to have it all, too weak to take it!
Now choose!!
No good deed goes unpunished
“Can the Spider-Man come out to play”
You are who you choose to be. Now choose!
Green Goblin: “Eventually they will hate you.”
Tobey Maguire 20 Years Later: *Is still loved immensely by millions to this day*
But a lot of people hated Tom bc he didn't suffer enough and when he did everyone started to love him so he's not wrong
Look at little Norman Jr, gonna cry?
The legend himself "They love me!"
Pretty sure the dialogue wasn't about an actor playing a fictional superhero in a movie. It's based more in reality.
@@honor6200 that's not what thet meant either
“Despite everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you” is one of the greatest quotes I’ve ever heard
Why they will hate spiderman? I don't understand
@@Majin_buu_u he pinches everyone's nipples, and people are sick of it.
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk Exactly, I'd like to not have purple bruised nips for once. Jeez.
In spite of, not despite.
Simple quotes that leave questions or answer questions swiftly are the way to make a legendary scene.
There is a quote from Halloween that achieves this same effect lemme go fetch it.
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And Peters response to this was simple but powerful
"Because its right" he's not doing this to be loved hes doing this because its his responsibility as the saviour of New York and most importantly because its the right thing to fucking do, this shit inspires me to be a better person
Why you cussing 😂
@@dripfoe_3307 why you laughing? Goofy mofo
@@dripfoe_3307Because they're fucking Inspired! 🙌
Spot on brother
Sure. Except the right thing depends on your perception of what's right and wrong, which is subjective. One man's perception of right and wrong in the eyes if another. There's only one true source of right and wrong, an objective source, which is obviously God. Now it's up to you to decide by asking those with knowledge which religion you cling to.
This is what exactly happened to Tom’s Spider-Man after far from home
Well, uhh, I missed the part where that's my problem
@@PCG06 I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye😐.
@@Nckasinnablunt 😎 (stings doesn't it?)
@TheBenPatches the Peter Parker has no time for Spiderman stuff.
@@PCG06 you dare to summon me?
"When you try to fix people, there are always consequences."
-Doctor Connors
Too true. Then he took an untested serum to cure his condition...
@@chrismaguire3667 he tried to fix himself but look consequences 👀
Applicable to dr tenma from monsters
I told you there would be consequences!
Great dialogue like this just isn't in movies anymore because nowadays most movies are written by a bunch of woke kids who need to spell everything out.
"The problem with loyalty to a cause, is that the cause will always betray you." TF4 Lockdown
Funny how that would apply to the footclan since shredder betray them, by letting earth die.
This really applies to Tobey. He was loved then hated then the whole world loves him again. And he set the tone for Spiderman to be great..he's a legend
Pizza time
People whop changed their mind on Tobey just because he made an appearance in NWH are almost directly aimed at by that quote. Love him at first or hate him for no reason but make a choice and stop shifting ffs
@@arkansky you realize people are able to grow and change their opinions, right?
@@squish162 There's growing and changing your opinion as the world and your worldview changes, and then there's literally jumping on bandwagons and being easily swayed by all that hearsay nonsense. One is a normal thing, the other is a sign of just being a dumbfuck.
Who ever hated Tobey Maguire hes the best spiderman, not that any of the others are bad.
Tobey : "I missed the part, where that's my problem."
William Dafoe delivery of this script was top notch, the tonality & little pauses in between dialogue just *CHEF KISS* 👌
@Rhys Higgon i missed the part where thats our problem
I am gonna put some dirt in your eye
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@Rhys Higgon and i found you amusing for a while
his name is willem, not william
Heros don't fall, they just live long enough to become Bully Maguire.
I missed the part where that’s my problem
I m gonna put some dirt in your eyes
You should've thought of that earlier
Me looking at feige..
😂 😂 😂
The mr beast situation reminded me of this quote
Me too. I quoted this on his most recent video and it got deleted
Me too
Funny enough I came here from an instagram video of this quote with pictures of all the good things MrBeast has done for people over the years.
mr beast isn’t a hero though. he’s an exploiter who wants fame. his charitable acts aren’t done through being virtuous, but to move himself up in the world
@@oliverhyde4316why bother building wells,houses,helping people with hearing problems and helping people see things for the first time so why bother...
Goblins so right in teaching his Spider-Man this, but his actions are wrong due to the split personality. I wish he said it to Toms Spider-Man
It's all good, Tom's Spider-Man could just watch Raimi's trilogy to get that information.
@@savvy7081 :)))))))))))) that s a good one
Especially since it arguably applies to tom’s peter the most. He had the longest time to be praised by the general public and then it all comes crashing down hard
@@caramelcandys Cuz his identity got revealed by a dead person and the public didn’t pay attention to that dead persons fraudulent activities
He’s got a better one for Tom “No good deed goes unpunished”
That's when you realize that being a hero isn't about being loved but loving others
The measure of a true hero is in the strength of their heart
It's not about how others feel about the hero. It's how the hero feels about them.
Well put my man
One sided love is fucking horrible tho
@@thee-hee8257 eh
This is the reason why Goblin is the arch nemesis, despite Octopus being such a well written villain as well. He broke Peter's mind in NWH as well. He even gave a similar speech about how the world wanted to take everything Peter strive to have. Chills!!!
Both technically are but otto in the comics really is one dimensional where Green Goblin has always been given more to himself like he is harrys father and he killed Peters first love gwen and when they brought him back in the 90s he set up the whole clone saga which is terrible btw but I am a sucker for green goblin and then there was that thing with Gwen they did later we shall not mention cause we all pretend it doesnt exist. I hope in Toms universe they do the Hob Goblin and play into it like the whole movie is about finding out who he is cause Tom hates and is afraid of the green goblin. HobGoblin always sucked in the comics hopefully they can improve on it.
@@Ytomany they retconned that "thing" of gwen and norman it was just an illusion made by mysterio to fuck up spider man
@@ThePlastikChair lol for real i thought they just dont mention it anymore like spidermans child that norman took away
@@Ytomany that was really fck up though. I hate comic book writers when they do dark shits like that. Sigh.
The mrbeast situation in a nutshell:
Indeed
i think harvey dents quote in dark knight kinda fits better
except, he did do wrongs, something that shouldnt be forggiven just for doing "charity"
@@Desk_Neck_then what should he do to be forgiven? It's not like people are just gonna forgive him if he made an apology and compensated the people he scammed. They literally want his life to be ruined, so what should he do?
@@Desk_Neck_ what wrongs? like editing videos to make it look intense? for entertainment purposes? can we actually look at the more important picture here?
everyone is looking at his "internet crimes" like they never heard about "reality" TV shows. things are done for entertainment.
"But still! He fooled us! He shouldn't be forgiven!" The "bad things" he's done in the internet doesn't impact anyone but the content. The good things he's done in the real world will never weigh the same as the things he's accused of online.
" To each his own. I chose my path. You chose the way of the hero."
" We are who we choose to be. Now choose!"
uP
“Nooo!!!!”
This is basically Green Goblin's version of Harvey Dent's, "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian". The phrase rings true in most cases.
It was years before Nolan's Batman.
I love that he's actually speaking from experience and not just out his ass. The board discarded him the second they thought he was done being useful for the company. In spite of his sacrifices
It’s great writing, but precisely because it shows how deluded Green Goblin is: that he thinks of himself when speaking about heroes, as if he ever was anything close to that.
@@DiGreatDestroyerBut do you know how much he sacrificed?!
Seriously though, it's a great point that I don't see addressed enough, Osborn is WRONG. He's trying to project his cutthroat corporate worldview on the wider world.
No he's not lol. CEOs aren't heroes 😂
@@DiGreatDestroyerfinally somebody got this right. The number of edgelords in this comment section is mind-boggling. Im low-key concerned with this tendency to stan mass murderers and psychopaths cause of tHe SoCiEtY
@@ВікторКушнір-й8о He's not a hero himself, no. But as a character, he's still projecting his own experience with feeling discarded- in spite of his presumed importance, onto Spiderman, regardless of the actual morality of anything of he's done.
This is the difference between the hero and the villain. the villain’s always goes with the argument “why do anything at all if it is useless” but the heroes always reply with “Because it is the right thing to do”. It was and always will be about saving people’s lives because it is what a hero does regardless of the fame and money they get. Which is why we love spiderman
This weak mindset is why heroes are taken as seriously as they are (spoiler: they aren't taken seriously at all)
@@genkureshima9834 You're so edgy. I'm sure your pillow waifu will be proud.
@@genkureshima9834 It is kinda. Unless you start screaming *"JUST BECAUSE"*
@@genkureshima9834not today, villian
"Despite everything you’ve done for them, eventually they will hate you."
That hits hard seeing as it's true in reality. You could do something amazing for loads of people but then suddenly they can just hate you.
This is because people you assist are almost invariably dependent. If you don’t do everything they need forever, you’ve failed them. Avoid dependent people.
Why do they hate.., they need to make up their mind, why do they hate?
Don’t worry the Almighty knows that’s all that matter and keep intentions pure. For example don’t do for show because it’s people’s nature some can get jealous.
That, or in my experience, they'll just eventually forget that you even exist.
Basically my whole life existence summerize
"What do people love more than a hero, spiderman?"
"Don't you fucking say it."
"A foe."
"For fucks sake..."
"And what am I, spiderman?"
"Please just stab me already..."
"I'm Dafoe."
"Goddammit."
Is that from a video?
@@emblemblade9245 nah
Lmao hahahahaha
Bruh 😂😂😂
Lol.
"They need you right now, but when they don't? They'll cast you out like a leper." -Joker
Which joker said that
@@SpiralreddHeath
@@st13chet ah
Best Joker. No longer with us :(
And yet, Batman decided he'd rather take the fall for Harvey himself than let people know he ended up becoming a criminal.
Willem Dafoe played this part amazingly. His delivery and cadence is like a theater play. The OG Spider Man movies has aged so incredibly well. Still the best films aside from the animated ones.
It's wholesome to see a villain and a hero having a talk.
i wouldn't say wholesome is the right word, but i get the idea lol
Goblin is an anti-hero. Gives advice to a kid, he should've killed.
@yoseph.Imma back up op on this sorta, if you take this scene as Norman talking to Peter and take into account what he said right before he died that he’s been like a father to Pete this does take on a warped perspective of wholesome.
@Sprite it's really not
@Sprite Whether or not something is wholesome is all about feelings.
All I see is a deranged man talking down to a teenager he beat up. So, no, it isn't wholesome.
This is a haunting quote that serves as a perfect example of what makes Goblin so terrifying. Yes he's essentially a terrorist with super strength and access to sci fi levels of military grade technology but he is first and foremost a manipulator. He actively attempts to gaslight Peter into believing that being a hero will 1) prove pointless in the end and 2) result in innocent lives being lost. The only thing stronger than Goblins urge to kill and destroy is his need for absolute control over anything he deems a threat to his power.
A monopolist.
THE HEART OSBORN
@@CarmenLC FIRST WE ATTACK HIS HEART
@@CarmenLC The goblin always goes for the heart
Great observation.
After NWH I want to see Dafoe's facial expression in this scene
Probably smiling
@@madnesscloaker1389 He does like to smile.
@@madnesscloaker1389 doesn't seem like it
Nah, he wasn't smiling. When people smile there's a noticeable shift in the lower eyelid because you have to lift up your cheek slightly to smile. So he's talking with a really cold look if his eyes are just cutting daggers into Spidey in this scene....
The mask never bothered me, until NWH.
This is what’s happening to MrBeast right now
People don't want a hero.
They just want a good show. 😔
Um okay?
Facts
And one of the ways to have a good show is to make the hero suffer and fall.
@@assassin8636very insightful and def added alot to the conversation. I'm sure somebody asked
Convinience. What humanity strives toward to.
I really love how this quote is what puts Goblin and Spiderman as complete opposites. Osborn spent years improving the world, giving everything to his company because he believed it would improve humanity. He even tested his super soldier thing on himself being sure it would take the human race to its true potential. Amd yet they turned their backs on him and screwed him over.
Norman Osborn is essentially a failed hero - he strove to do good but his sacrifices were deemed insufficient by those he tried to help, which embittered him. The Green Goblin epitomizes the saying "if you can't be a good example, be a bad warning" for Peter.
All you can see in this scene is his eyes, but you can tell Willem Dafoe is giving his all in his facial expressions. I can see why they decided to show his face more in NWH.
Idk why i find this soo relatable for mr beast these days
I like how he actually spoke to Peter like a teacher, serious and fast, almost as if he cared about Spider Man and his choices in life, thinking that his nihilistic mindset was right and an example for Spider-Man to follow.
He did cared, he loves him.
Goblin is right, and that's what makes him such a compelling villain. You understand his motivations, because he had everything taken from him. Not only did he have his company stolen from him, but he was also forced to give up valuable time with the son he loved because of it. He felt like the world had betrayed him despite everything he did for it. The Goblin is the very personification of this idea of hatred brewing within Norman Osborn. But I think Peter's response to Goblin's question is just as beautiful and legendary. "Because it's right." It doesn't matter what we're going through. It doesn't matter the power we have. We can ALWAYS choose to do the right thing. And that's exactly what Peter does. It's what SPIDER-MAN does. It's why Goblin was ultimately wrong in both Spider-Man 1 and No Way Home. Because both Peters did the right thing and rejected Goblin's evil philosophy, their goodness overcame Goblin's evil. Spider-Man is a beautiful tale of good triumphing over evil even when choosing evil and rejecting good would be so much easier. It's about choosing to always do the right thing because you are given the power to do so. Not because of what people will think about you, or if they will hate you. But because you KNOW it's right. With great power comes great responsibility.
Beautifully said
Good & bad/ Right & wrong is a social construct created by those in power. If those power were what we considered to be "evil "& they taught us to be "evil" over time then most people would be "evil". What's acceptable is all based on power. The world is amoral & Goblin understands it. But it's great movie nonetheless & people don't want a depressing ass message like that.
Its kinda remind Rengoku VS Akadza moment. Rengoku was literally a spider man of his movie.
Uncle Ben, is that you?
@@YaMaTo999Vir not really
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" as said by a certain White Knight 💯
In a land of lies...the honest person is the biggest Villain of all...because the truth hurts.
@@4OR-Designs That hits hard because it's true.
@@bonzobonanza it's a tough world out there bud. Hang in there.
@@4OR-Designs Yeah. People call me crazy just because I think different
@@4OR-Designs It's sad because the truth only hurts because of all the lies. The truth wouldn't hurt if you weren't living so many lies in the first place. Which is why people need to learn what "get over yourself" means on it's ultimate level.
I feel like this quote now applies to the whole MCU as it stands now
you can say that on Iger’s case
I loved his brutality in no way home when hes beating ten bells out of holland " strong enough to have it all.... TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!!" genuine chills
The one thing I didn't like about ' no way home ' was the fact that they changed green goblin's fighting style, they made him a wild brawler.
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk * looks at the original spider man* ...* Looks at the newest spider man*...I mean hey you do you man
My disappointment was that Maguire didn’t have more interaction with the green goblin-
@@TheScarletSlayer what is your point ? I liked the movie and they did in fact change goblin's fighting style.
@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk I liked both movies
I love the moment when Green-Goblin is proven wrong, when New York throws items at Green Goblin on the bridge so that he can save both the people in the cart and Mary Jane.
Well he was proven right in NWH...
Also I would imagine that the people at the bridge were ballsy because they dont think Goblin will attack all of them.
Proven wrong within the fictional story, sure, but on a meta level NWH proved him right. People are only just now cheering for Tom's Spidey after Goblin literally took his whole life from him.
@@ozairchishti1264 Id say Mysterio took his whole life from him, but Goblin dealt the final blow
@@ozairchishti1264 Well, his quote is also a reality when you think about our modern society.
Yeah but he wasn’t initially proven wrong, because directly after this scene you see a newspaper headline asking for the wallcrawlers arrest.
well you know i'm something of a Quoter myself...
Philosopher man, philosopher.
dang this goes perfectly to Mr Beast situation
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TRUE IVI I FEEL BAD FOR HIM
Yeah his critics aside many times I see people winning money not having a shred of respect for him like they just came for money and will forget about him later
I like how goblin sounds like he actually believes he is helping Spider-Man and is genuinely confused as to why he continues to be a hero even though its screwing up his life
There’s usually villains that are physical threats, and villains that are mental threats. Goblin is and always will be a mixture of both
Unlike most quotes which is supposed to make you feel good about yourself this one is telling you that being a hero is worthless
Gimme rent
@@Deadpool....
*”You’ll get your rent once you fix this damn door!!”*
@@arcanemelody901 but you can't do this to me
But then in contrast, in Spider-Man 2 Aunt May talks how being a hero is important. Goblin says you'll be hated for wanting do something good, but Aunt May says that you do something good because it's what you have to do.
Well he’s not wrong saving the city or world is something but that’s just it it’s “something” because you can either love doing it or do it out of obligation
while the two can and are mixed with the trademark great power great responsibility trope it can easily fall into just responsibilities
if peter was the only hero and his villain roster still existed it would be a I’m doing this because no one else can and not in the good way where everyone who isn’t morally dubious wants to be the hero of the story look at the spidersona trend for examples of that but that’s why being the hero is tbh sad in a way you can easily fall into a day job nightmare where you aren’t enjoying it and you’re essentially just a different version of one punch man doing something they loved
"You either die a hero or die later but not as a hero" inspirational quote
😂
“ You either die or die later “ Inspirational quote
I think you mean "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
@@Raytheharbinger0 no, it’s purposefully wrong
"You'll die" some villain probably
“You know, I’m somewhat a scientist myself”
-Green goblin
As a young boy, I only liked the action scenes and when spiderman fights with his villians.... But now as a young man I understand it more thoroughly and the acting is just pure gold
Ditto. I’m gonna rewatch them through my grown up eyes. I’ll see more the psyche of GG and social problems instead of just watching for the fights
Felt the same way too. The scary part of the Goblin's speech it actually makes sense. And the worst part for Peter is that he's struggling to accept that he has a point.
This doesn't just apply to Spider-Man, it's happened to every hero we all know.
Actually its not about tittle hero, i'm used to be adventurer and accidentally solve a problem.
That's why it's best to become an Eminence in Shadow
I don't get it
@@gamexig2213 you should watch the show. But basically by being an Eminence in Shadow the whole world can hate you and it will have no effect whatsoever.
It's best to enrich oneself and damn the villian, hero and anti hero archetypes.
"Sometimes the coldest of quotes come from the deadliest of villians."
-A Wise Man.
William Dafoe's eyes are so expressive in this scene. He's always been one of my favorite actors.
this quote is amazing but my favorite is "we all wear masks Spider-man, But which one is the real one the one that hides your face or the one that is your face?"
Superb bro...
Bruh,tht hits deep
Of course we all wear masks, we're in the middle of a pandemic.
I like how it is followed up in Spider-man 2, where we see Peter and Spider-man are one and the same, as he saves somebody without the mask and has his mask fall off during the train scene.
@@JohnJohnson-ge8ve I agree
You don't necessarily have to be a hero for other people.
You can do it for yourself too.
I don't think that many heroes become heroes for other people, rather they become heroes for the sake of other people. The difference between the two things is care over expectation. A true hero saves the people because nobody else can, not because the people expect the hero to save them. In that aspect, I believe every hero becomes a hero for themselves because their personal journey demands it.
@@Saxophaliciousbatman is a good example of what you’re talking about.
with those kind of power they will be wanting more expect more in the end take you for granted
Like the bat
Mr. Beast at the moment right now
What happened?
@@mankind4230 he's a pedophile enabler
@@mankind4230tons of allegations, teaming up Logan and KSI who are hated by majority of the internet, ex employees of his saying he’s a bad person behind the scenes and some predatory stuff with Chris who’s a friend of his who he actively supports
It’s pretty cool when you realized that this film tapped into a few ideas that The Dark Knight would almost a decade later, such as the idea that people will only love a hero until they fall.
Maturing is realizing that there are times where the villains are actually right and you can't deny it
I mean he wasn’t really entirely right here. He was proven wrong later in the movie. So I guess he was wrong, yet right in a certain way since there’s good and bad people everywhere.
@@alienator4684 only to be proven right in NWH.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 That’s literally why I said he was wrong, but also “right in a certain way.”
What’s also really creepy in this scene is that he’s using a relatively normal, subdued tone of voice. In my memory, Goblin was always hamming it up and gravely and hoarse, like in NWH when he says “can the Spider-Man come out to play”. So it’s jarring to come back and see him speaking so calmly. Yes he still has a sinister tone of voice, but it’s so subdued and his body language, his eyes, his mannerisms are so subdued here. This is when he is pulling all the stops to manipulate and gaslight Peter, and this is when he doesn’t mess around.
It’s like in The Dark Knight when The Joker was called a freak by Gambol, he lost his sentence and got really quiet, before refocusing. Or when he was completely stumped and quiet when the people of Gotham refused to kill each other. Or when Thanos was meek and humble when trying to reconnect with Gamora during his “a small price to pay for salvation” scene. It’s scenes like this that show a person for villain for who they truly are. And this shows that the Goblin isn’t just a terrorist or a supersoldier gone wrong. He’s a demon who is not playing around when he’s devoting himself to his biggest goal in life - to corrupt, to destroy people from the inside.
Whether it’s twenty years ago or today in theaters, the Green Goblin deserves ranking alongside the likes of Thanos, Heath’s Joker, Kilmonger, etc.
Putting killmonger on the same level as Green Goblin or Heath is extremely insulting. Thanos is even a stretch
@@jordteps1775 yeah, green goblin and heath affect you from the inside out. While Thanos and kollmonger only stay in your mind for the duration of whatever film their in. I mean fuck, 20 years later and people still talk about green goblin, over a decade and people still talk about heath, but who the fuck is talking about Thanos or kollmonger? They are popcorn villians
Kilmonger sucks. His motivation doesn't make any sense and has a ton of holes.
@@genericyoutubechannel3790 tbh I'm glad everyone doesn't like killmonger. That was the weakest part of one of my favorite marvel movies
Killmongers path was merely for egos sake, despite what he tried to do, it was against his own families wishes and eventually endangers them(typical third rate villain story). Comparing him to joker or green goblin is really comical.
Ths is what mr beast gotta be feeling
Yeah, even after everything he did, helping people. Eventually people will hate him and forget the good things that he had done, just because one or two mistakes he made.
@@yuko966 he defended a pedo bro what are you on 😂
@@JOSIE_Music yea I think that’s problem
You don’t give a f that Jimmy actually did lot of goods and just brought up the one big mistake he made which is enough people to trash on him
@@Whatzitooya891 i can acknowledge that jimmy did good. but it was built off the backs of child gambling fraud, illegal sweepstakes. And yes, it was a big mistake he defended a pedo.
@@JOSIE_MusicIts his best friend for over a year so I understand why did he kept it a secret and just wait for the right time to do it
As children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains.
Spiderman was the first Superhero movie i watched as a child and i truly didn't understand what Goblin was talking about here. Coming back to this scene nearly 20years later with a different perspective, i can hear the wisdom under the madness.
Well said
Even though the “as children we want to be like the heroes, but as adults we understand the villains” saying has been memed to death it has a point. Especially with well written villains that have more motivation than just being a mustache twirling villain that is evil just for the sake of being evil. Villains with a real human motivation can be relatable at times.
Nah I never felt that lizard guy from amazing Spiderman to be relatable. Like who tf wants to evolve into lizards. Alteast if it was an advanced being I can understand
My favourite part of this is that Spider-Man’s whole being, his entire CHARACTER is a direct counter to everything he’s saying. We KNOW why he bothers, and why he won’t stop
I LOVE it when the hero and the villain get to battle their philosophies. There’s nothing better than complete opposites trying to win each other over with words.
Daredevil did this really well too.
It should be the norm not the exception. Villains should be more like this, with complexity or like Thanos with the thought that the ends justifies the means since he wanted to ultimately save the universe even though it was by removing half the population. That is my gripe with avatar movie, the bad guy has no complexity.
When you break it down there isn't much difference between them just how they decided to act upon it.
@@Gl0ckb1te the avengers and I ultimately wanted the same thing the salvation of man, but my methods where deemed to extreme. Truly who is the real hero and villian if everything I said came to past.
Mr Beast 😔
Dafoe’s Goblin is hands down my favorite villain of all time. I find it kinda cool that I had the entire extended version of this speech memorized as a child. Raimi’s trilogy continues to have such a lasting impact on me and I am sure that is the case for a lot of people.
Aunt may destroyed these lines by saying -
Everybody loves a hero, people line up for 'em, cheer for them, scream their names, and years later tell how they stood in the rain for hours just to get a glimpse of the one who told them to HOLD ON a second longer. I believe theres a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble. And finally allows us to die with pride. ❤️❤️❤️
These are just negative thoughts that the Goblin is trying to put on Peter's mind and nowadays people are also so negative due to the current situations that they all are agreeing blindly
Looks like you didn't see NWH bruh.
@@mr.potato5130 Oh dear 🤣
I am talking about the real aunt may Rosemary Harris of the Trilogy 🤡🤡🤡
@@ansh1004 neither of them are real 🤣🤣
@@jgadiaz 🤣🤣🤣 yeah probably
@@ansh1004 both goblin and aunt May’s points are proven in the mcu.
In this movie, it came off as Gobby talking out of his butt, because this Peter was too new in his career as Spider-Man for it to relate. The later movies made good on it, but No Way Home is downright built on this premise. And judging by the audience response, and the fact that Peter loses everything and everyone, and that movie is now 4th on the highest grossing box office movies in history, Gobby’s words aged like a fine wine.
Hello
Goblin ate his words. They tasted good
You are right sir I see again
In that case then it’s no wonder that they made Goblin the main villain of the film. Phenomenal film, and groundbreaking (literally) performance from Willem Dafoe.
Jesus are you president of marvel public relations or something, NWHs box office has nothing to do with its quality, that movie is not canon to this one and the least memorable part of that movie is ironically the main character because that movie had to steal every other character to make it look good or feel like it mattered
mr beast villain arc
and this quote is still relevant to this day/ rather more apparent with the rise of social media, look at how people engage themselves in things that will make them feel hate, it's like they are addicted to it. Whether it be a celebrity or an ordinary person, there will always be those who find happiness on watching successful people fail or the sufferings of those who try their best.
Goblin foreshadowed cancel culture.
This is what i think is the Goblin's weakness: That he dosen't get across the idea that some people do stuff without seeking any sort of benefit from it. That people do what they do for the sake of others instead of themselves. This why i think he asks "Why bother?". He asks Spidey why he would help people if he isn't getting any benefits or even love or adulation from it. He never once stops to think that Spidey dosen't seek benefits from helping others.
Same reason Lex Luthor can't understand why Superman doesn't want to rule the world.
Great point
@@awakenow7147 uP
Терпила другими словами.
That's exactly what happpend to Tom Holland's Spiderman. In spite of everything he's done, eventually people still believed Mysterio over him.
That's my favourite thing about Goblin's quote. It can be universally applied. The meaning of what he was saying didn't just happen in the Maguire Trilogy, it happened with Garfield and Holland.
Absolutely brilliant.Green Goblin is easily the most scariest villain in the MCU so far.Maybe not the strongest but still the scariest.I mean what can you say about a guy who evilly laughs back at you when you hit him with a Winter Soldier strength punch
Even worst for Tom's Spider-Man cause despite helping save half the Universe they still turned on him
@Martin Saji Then Spider-Man 3 should’ve been a good movie which it wasn’t,not the people’s fault.
Welcome to every spiderman ever lol
As a child : What he is talking about?
As an adult : He said the truth.
Then I guess Satan spoke the truth when he tempted Jesus.
"One thing people love more than hero, is to see a hero fail fall"
Tobey after fall : my back! my back!
"They will eventually hate you."
"That doesn't matter to me, I can be the most hated person in the world, but they can't away what makes me me. As long as I'm doing the right thing, saving people, being a hero, and standing for what's right; as long as I stick to my morals, I will always be the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man."
Well said. While there is some truth and wisdom in Green Goblins words it shouldn’t turn you away from doing what is truly right. Always do the right thing even if it means standing alone or being the only hero in a world full of villains.
Irl, kindness nowadays- is more rare than you think.
Indeed. Is it just me, or do most superhero movies not talk like this anymore?
My respect for Green Goblin is increasing day by day
Wait..., so you're saying that you respect the dude who literally murdered May Parker/Aunt May right in front of Peter in No Way Home lol...
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 but he isn't totally awful, like some. So there's a little respect due there.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 there's a little respect due
YEESH, fella that's going a bit too far.
Why do you respect him ?
Well respect Doctor Octopus if you want to, he actually had a good reason to be a villain.
It manipulation and true at the same time.
Yes, green goblin only wanted Spider man to join him, but at the same time he’s not wrong, most people who does good or be a hero don’t always get praise, just outright hate.
I hate it when a villain has a good point.
If there was any villain in the MCU that could convince you that villainy is alright it would be Green Goblin.
What's more unsettling is that people here are saying that he's right, but are completely forgetting Peter's rebuttal
"cuz..... I missed the part where that's my problem"
What was it i dont remember at all, and i loved these movies
Because it’s considered “cheesy” and “cringe” people still have one thing in common….they despise those old timey heroes
@@estudos6156 Tobey basically just says what’s true, he simply says ‘because it’s right.’ Peter doesn’t really refute what the Goblin says, in the scene right after this one he’s being persecuted by the Bugle for being Spider-Man and that proves that the Goblin is technically right. Peter’s point is that he just doesn’t care. If doing the right thing makes people hate him then gee that sure does suck, but he’ll keep doing it anyway. He won’t do what the Goblin does and spend the rest of his life using his power to get what he wants, he’ll keep doing the right thing in this pretty thankless world just to make it a better place and to make the people in it safer
“You see Spider-Man, my father was a drinker”
- Green goblin
Spiderman: WHERE IS MJ? WHERE IS SHE????!!!!
bro is trying hard to be funny
Because it’s not about what they think. The only person you have to live with, to answer to, is yourself. That’s why you bother.
"You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain"
Wrong universe
This is true everywhere. In MCU, the public turned against him for being a hero.
And, we the audience finally started cheering for Tom when he struggled. We love to see a hero fail. Now I feel bad lol.
People are entertained by seeing the struggle to the finish line is just as difficult for someone else. Some people cheer knowing that crossing the finish line is possible. Some hold contempt knowing they didn't do enough to cross the finish line.
Willem Dafoe was the perfect casting for green goblin, i can't see how anyone could have carried this role so hard. ❤
He really gave it his all
@@SpiralreddDo you even know how much he sacrificed for this role?
It is just like "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian"
imagine what we could create
little goblin junior
gonna cry?
Hey u keep ur fu*ken voice down😤
@@bullymaguire921 im gonno put some dirt in your eye
@@bullymaguire921 give me rent
@@mr.ditkovich2826 you’ll get ur rent when you fix the damn door
The "fail, fall" bit always made me think he said the line wrong, sounds he's correcting himself lol
Yh I always thought that too
@Morgan Oates naw he messed up the line
mr beast right now
Literally what I was thinking bro this quote fits so perfectly
this man was destined to play the green goblin. his voice and execution of every line is just spot on.
Would have been so cool to see Goblin repeat this in NWH. it was a perfect example of Goblin's point that no one truly cares about the hero, but only about themselves.
Eh, I think the message gets across well enough in NWH. The Goblin just shifts his reasoning slightly, saying that "morality" is the problem instead of compassion. Here, the Goblin argues that eventually, everyone will turn away from Spider-Man. In NWH, the Goblin encourages Spider-Man to turn away from everyone else.
And in a way, the Goblin's words have a lasting effect on Peter. He does end up turning away from everyone else, but not out of a lack of morality, but out of concern for their well-being and the greater universe. The Goblin's speech here does indeed come to pass, but for the exact opposite reason.
Every time I see this, the cadence of Willem Dafoe saying "fail, fall" leads me to believe he misspoke the line, and powered through it 😆
That's what I thought this video was about.
I don't know who is reading this, I don't even know whether i will be able to explain this with this much bad knowledge of english, however language doesn't matter sometimes. it has been 22 years after its release and suddenly today is the day, these lines are hitting me word by word.
The way he says “my path” really shows that despite that everything he does is wrong, he doesn’t want to admit that he’s the villain. Wow.
" I never apologized." Norman "Green Goblin" from Spectacular spider man series, straight denying any responsibility of his action and the consequences that follows.
“ in everyone’s personal story they Are a hero .”
"God's don't have to choose. We take"
Being a villian is pure evil, but giving advice to a kid, should've killed right there is merciful....he's an anti-hero.
Being a villian is pure evil, but giving advice to a kid, should've killed right there is merciful....he's an anti-hero.
"in spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you" a quote I have used personally and will remember for all my life
Okay.
Because it’s right you vane tool
@@brandonspencer5594 It's *vain, you illiterate POS.
As a kid i admire the heroes, as an adult i understand the villains
The part of life that is easy to understand is that which is closest to you. The darkness at the front of the tunnel or the light at the end of the tunnel.
Stay at the starting line or make it to the finish line?
*"Either you Ronaldo or you Harry Maguire."*
~ Sir Alex Ferguson
I remember watching this movie when I was 8. I didn't understand the meaning of what was mostly being said and I just enjoyed the action scenes like every other kid. As a young adult I come back to listen to this quote because not only does it give me goose bumps, but in a way I'm still trying to understand it. Every year that passes the message gets more clear.
Should look at eminem's history. From the mud to the top of the mountain, overcoming adversity, fans and haters, and much controversy. The controversy around him these details are pointless drama baiting, but when he was coming up, the storms he caused, and all because he talked about the truth. Give his "Zeus" a listen. In a way, he was doing what green goblin does and gave some advice to modern rappers. The fans will end up turning on you.
As far as personal experience, what Green Goblin is talking about, is cynicism. You feel that kind of stuff from things like betrayal. Cynicism alone isn't harmful, and that kind of thought process is probably true, it's feeding and letting that cynicism devour you in turn, that is damaging.