Fun to watch. Should you do this again, maybe the scoring should happen on a logarithmic scale, so that e.g. when on a one-million city someone guesses two million and another guesses a thousand, the former wins.
I like this. I think the most fair way to rank the winners would be logarithmically instead of the raw difference, because thats how we perceive the size of things. Instead of ranking by |actual population - guess|, rank based on dividing the two, where you always divide the larger by the smaller, and rank them by whoever is closer to 1.
let's say one guy guessed 1k and another guessed 2M. If the answer was 1 M, it makes sense for the 2M guess to win. in your method, still, the 1k guy wins. you're right that zi8zag should keep the scoring system as logarithmic. he should take the logarithms of numbers and then compare them. for example, the log base 10 of 1000 is 3, while of 2,000,000 is approximately 6.3 as far as I remember. and the logarithm of 1 million is 6 so the 2 million guess wins
@@mrunankBathe huh? How does the 1k guy in my situation still win? I said do it logarithmically. Subtracting logs is the same as dividing (I don’t mean this literally). In the situation you presented, 1M / 1k = 1k (very far from one), but 2M / 1M = 2 (much closer to 1, therefore the 2M guess wins). It’s just quicker and easier to divide two numbers and rank the results smallest to largest than do the logarithms and rank the differences.
@@Hinotori_joj yes you're right. Im extremely sorry, I got it wrong. I divided 1k by 1 M and got 0.001 which is closer to 1 than 2.... I apologise man for this mistake
I've been to Yorkton!! I crossed Canada by bike last year (east to west) and spent a night in Yorkton! I was travelling along the 16 at the time. I'll be honest I did not recognize it here at first lol. Wasn't a super exciting place, but the city's campsite was really nice, I recommend!
First round I knew it was sask immediately! From saskatoon. The boulevard sign with the arrow is very common here, my population guess was 15k! Also have driven through here yorkton multiple times but would never have been able to guess it
Great idea for a video. Would love to see some other pros do this challenge, or to see these four try it again to see if their estimates improve at all.
Ooo I’ve visited family friends in Lubbock Texas! Was wondering if it was there instantly (surprised I got it right tbh) but I didn’t know the population
This is an awesome video, I love this type of quiz! Good job during quali today Oscar! Awesome that you uploaded a video the during the race! Oscar Piastri once again proving himself to be THE GOAT 🐐🇦🇺
You could do this challenge by magnitudes/division as well. (maybe using a spreadsheet/tool for quick maths) Like, answer = 700 000. Guess = 35 000. Difference = 700 000 / 35 000 = 20. Guess = 7 000 000. Difference = 7 000 000 / 700 000 = 10. So 7 million is better than 35 thousand.
ehhh Yorkton, Saskatchewan. I just drove near it on my way from Regina to Winnipeg but never stopped in. Would be surprised to see anyone say they've been there but hopefully there is more Sask representation in the comments!
Alright here are my guesses: 1. - (you didnt ask us to guess until the second round) 2. 400k (guessed Florence, too) 3. 50k (generic guess) 4. 2m (guessed Kuala Lumpur) 5. 5m (large South Asian city) 6. 500k (Liverpool) 7. 1k (generic village) 8. 500k (no idea, some bigger town) 9. 5k (small town) 10. 50k (some suburb)
I'd think it would be fair to score by multiplicative error, not absolute error, because city size has pretty much an exponential distribution. Example: True answer: 1m Person 1: 2m Person 2: 500k Person 3: 1k If you take the absolute difference, the order is 2, 3, 1. If you use the factor by which each person is wrong, 1 + 2 are tied for first and 3 is dead last. My reasoning is that 2m is a much better estimate of a 1m city than 1k, because it is only off by a factor of 2 and not by a factor of 1000. Especially when judging from the way the city is built, a 2m city is much more similar to a 1m city than a 1k city. An example would be Vienna (2m) and Cologne (1m) which are definitely much more similar to each other than to a random 1k village without a supermarket.
My guesses: First round guessed 5K therefore 0 points. Second round guessed 300K therefore 3 points. Third round guessed 100K therefore 3 points. Fourth round guessed 500K therefore 3 points. Fifth round guessed 5M therefore 1 point. Sixth round guessed 200K therefore 0 points. Seventh round guessed 10K therefore 0 points. Eighth round guessed 3M therefore 3 points (by 6,263 👀). Ninth round guessed 25K therefore 0 (I thought it was Alice Springs SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY CLOSE 😭). Tenth round guessed 50K therefore 0 point (although shout out to my boy gelotris). Therefore, I got 13 points overall so I would have been third (or actually second if I were in the game) if I would have played (Imo not bad for a completely non-professional))).
Always subject to weird definition issues. For instance, one version of "London" has only a few thousand people. I would argue that in China city definitions aren't even a thing. Even within a country there can be weird discrepancies. For instance Jacksonville has more than double the land area of New York City.
Allowing the contestants to look at the map to get estimates of place sizes seems surely against the spirit of the game, if not actually letting them basically cheat. It makes it less of a test of their knowledge and guessing skills.
11:11 Ziggy should be 2nd. 111k - 89k = 22k. 89k - 70k = 19k. Lenli is closer
so I'm not the only one to notice that, good
I was looking for this comment
Yeah, Len got screwed on that one
Lennli just trusted the others' math lol
I thought he had said 17k, but yeah 70k, he won.
Lennli wins my heart for the Tamworth edge
We got Lennli edging us with Tamworth Lore before GTA 6 😭
Tamworth lore has already been leaked
@@lancer227 we do not know how he got there
What is Tamworth Lore?
@@dogukanakdag7546 it’s-
Search up "Tamworth Lore (original)" it's exactly 6 min long
17:25 hell of a reason to know the city 💀
This is such a good idea! Definitely want a part 2 💪
even in the zigzag video we're getting edged with the tamworth lore wth is that
The fact he showed Sydney as an example of "a capital city" 💀
we all know it
Even Australians know the truth, Sydney is the rightful capital of Oz
Fun to watch. Should you do this again, maybe the scoring should happen on a logarithmic scale, so that e.g. when on a one-million city someone guesses two million and another guesses a thousand, the former wins.
Yea i agree, it is more important to get the scale right
That seems more fair.
wasnt lennli closer than ziggi on the za round?
Those discord notifications kept making me check my discord lmao
tamworth lore
Classic Ziggi cheating. 22k away, Lennli 19k away, but coerces Oscar into thinking hes closer.
That actually really annoys me
no way the Tamworth lore is being edged in this video too 😭😭😭
Such a fun concept Oscar, would love to see more of this!
I like this. I think the most fair way to rank the winners would be logarithmically instead of the raw difference, because thats how we perceive the size of things. Instead of ranking by |actual population - guess|, rank based on dividing the two, where you always divide the larger by the smaller, and rank them by whoever is closer to 1.
let's say one guy guessed 1k and another guessed 2M. If the answer was 1 M, it makes sense for the 2M guess to win. in your method, still, the 1k guy wins. you're right that zi8zag should keep the scoring system as logarithmic. he should take the logarithms of numbers and then compare them. for example, the log base 10 of 1000 is 3, while of 2,000,000 is approximately 6.3 as far as I remember. and the logarithm of 1 million is 6 so the 2 million guess wins
@@mrunankBathe huh? How does the 1k guy in my situation still win? I said do it logarithmically. Subtracting logs is the same as dividing (I don’t mean this literally). In the situation you presented, 1M / 1k = 1k (very far from one), but 2M / 1M = 2 (much closer to 1, therefore the 2M guess wins).
It’s just quicker and easier to divide two numbers and rank the results smallest to largest than do the logarithms and rank the differences.
@@Hinotori_joj yes you're right. Im extremely sorry, I got it wrong. I divided 1k by 1 M and got 0.001 which is closer to 1 than 2.... I apologise man for this mistake
I've been to Yorkton!! I crossed Canada by bike last year (east to west) and spent a night in Yorkton! I was travelling along the 16 at the time. I'll be honest I did not recognize it here at first lol. Wasn't a super exciting place, but the city's campsite was really nice, I recommend!
Not Lennli edging us with the Tamworth Lore
19:50 TAMWORTH
First round I knew it was sask immediately! From saskatoon. The boulevard sign with the arrow is very common here, my population guess was 15k! Also have driven through here yorkton multiple times but would never have been able to guess it
Great idea for a video. Would love to see some other pros do this challenge, or to see these four try it again to see if their estimates improve at all.
Zi8gzag i’m in Spain with my family and while they are pointing out the beautiful scenery, I’m just vibing with my yellow bollards. 🗣️🗣️🗣️
More of this type of content :) great vid zig
ziggy and ziggi in the same video, is always a good video, what can i say
THOSE DAMN DISCORD NOTIS KEPT FREAKING ME OUT. IM WATCHIG THIS VID ON MY SECOND MONITOR MID VALORANT MATCH UGHH
Really liked this one. As someone who likes a bit of geography Sporcle and channels like Mr Quiz I found it very interesting.
11:11 as soon as I saw the round I was like „is this ever Upington?“ I feel goated rn..
Shoutout to Yorkton, I've been there many times, recognized it instantly.
Lennlie how don't you have your notifications muted? That'd drive me crazy. Getting pinged every 3 seconds.
very cool concept... we need a part 2!!
Ooo I’ve visited family friends in Lubbock Texas! Was wondering if it was there instantly (surprised I got it right tbh) but I didn’t know the population
Super fun game 😊, ggs for the fantastic idea
This is an awesome video, I love this type of quiz! Good job during quali today Oscar! Awesome that you uploaded a video the during the race! Oscar Piastri once again proving himself to be THE GOAT 🐐🇦🇺
You could do this challenge by magnitudes/division as well. (maybe using a spreadsheet/tool for quick maths)
Like, answer = 700 000. Guess = 35 000. Difference = 700 000 / 35 000 = 20.
Guess = 7 000 000. Difference = 7 000 000 / 700 000 = 10. So 7 million is better than 35 thousand.
ehhh Yorkton, Saskatchewan. I just drove near it on my way from Regina to Winnipeg but never stopped in. Would be surprised to see anyone say they've been there but hopefully there is more Sask representation in the comments!
I feel like no moving was extra brutal for this XD
omg more Tamworth lore 😧
Never seen my home town mentioned. Big love from Upington ❤
Alright here are my guesses:
1. - (you didnt ask us to guess until the second round)
2. 400k (guessed Florence, too)
3. 50k (generic guess)
4. 2m (guessed Kuala Lumpur)
5. 5m (large South Asian city)
6. 500k (Liverpool)
7. 1k (generic village)
8. 500k (no idea, some bigger town)
9. 5k (small town)
10. 50k (some suburb)
I’ve been to Yorkton many times
I'd think it would be fair to score by multiplicative error, not absolute error, because city size has pretty much an exponential distribution. Example:
True answer: 1m
Person 1: 2m
Person 2: 500k
Person 3: 1k
If you take the absolute difference, the order is 2, 3, 1. If you use the factor by which each person is wrong, 1 + 2 are tied for first and 3 is dead last.
My reasoning is that 2m is a much better estimate of a 1m city than 1k, because it is only off by a factor of 2 and not by a factor of 1000. Especially when judging from the way the city is built, a 2m city is much more similar to a 1m city than a 1k city. An example would be Vienna (2m) and Cologne (1m) which are definitely much more similar to each other than to a random 1k village without a supermarket.
Is Ziggi your German cousin?
They are actually twin brothers!
I think Jake Lyons would crush this quiz..
Hello Oscar.You should play the hardest map in geoguesr again.Also,Nice video
Fun game! Do more. Also do better with the score keeping and determine the population numbers beforehand instead of googling in the moment
Yeah the Texas one said Texas Tech on the car which is a university in Lubbock Texas.
This is the first time I see Upington mentioned in any type of content. Went to that KFC earlier today I was tripping 😭
19:50 alright bro ☠☠
HELLO ZIGZAG
Love this collab group!
My guesses: First round guessed 5K therefore 0 points. Second round guessed 300K therefore 3 points. Third round guessed 100K therefore 3 points. Fourth round guessed 500K therefore 3 points. Fifth round guessed 5M therefore 1 point. Sixth round guessed 200K therefore 0 points. Seventh round guessed 10K therefore 0 points. Eighth round guessed 3M therefore 3 points (by 6,263 👀). Ninth round guessed 25K therefore 0 (I thought it was Alice Springs SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY CLOSE 😭). Tenth round guessed 50K therefore 0 point (although shout out to my boy gelotris). Therefore, I got 13 points overall so I would have been third (or actually second if I were in the game) if I would have played (Imo not bad for a completely non-professional))).
estimating with the boys 💯
I love your videos man!
Here from Newcastle Upon Tyne 😁
LOL Tamworth mention
Love this idea
so glad i figured out it was coober pedy
My guesses:
20,000 (18,905)
500,000 (4,332,000)
60,000
That's a great collab!
I'm in Calgary right now
what is going on with the captions at 28:31
YORKTON LETS GO
why is there a server with the rainbolt face and a money sign?
tamworth 😂
Not Lennli with the Tamworth lore 😭
Very fun, should do it more again. Was waiting for some South American action tho 😢
pov : haent seen the vedio but know its gonna be good
Always subject to weird definition issues. For instance, one version of "London" has only a few thousand people. I would argue that in China city definitions aren't even a thing.
Even within a country there can be weird discrepancies. For instance Jacksonville has more than double the land area of New York City.
I love your videos!
Can someone please explain why every other comment has Tamworth mentioned?
Up Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
🇮🇪
Yo I was in that location 26:40
fun video
Yo I’ve been to Yorkton 😂
this was nice 👍
TAMWORTH AGAIN ???
Finally something I’m better at than yall 🤣😁
Allowing the contestants to look at the map to get estimates of place sizes seems surely against the spirit of the game, if not actually letting them basically cheat. It makes it less of a test of their knowledge and guessing skills.
population of sata fey? 💀
who ever done that maths is terrible
For me, impossible 😂😂
The German accent is terrible 😂. Im german and my accent is even worse
Lennli🤩
#yowhatsgoodeveryone
DUBLIN MY CITY HELL YEAH YUP IRELAND 🇮🇪
nice
Sus catch a van
Polska guromm
Boss 🇩🇪❤️🫵
YO YO
The silly number answers are annoying lol. Just pick a round number
First
Indeed.
I feel like i am kinda first
Whyd you always pronounce *VIDEO' as *VIDEO'R'* 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Cuz he has an accent???
australian moment
He doesn't. You're just perceiving it that way.