I think the biggest point you made, and what most people don't even address, is that bands before didn't over-edit their music. It had a human touch, it wasn't perfectly aligned to a metronome, it had slight tempo variants and not every note sounded perfect. That's what's "killing music" and making it all sound the same, not the gear. Everyone's so afraid of having a "bad mix" that they totally forget about the musicianship and letting your playing be heard through a recording. If you make everything too perfect, then everything will sound sterile and the same. Musicians should worry less about the mix and more about their music arrangements and what they want to convey to the listener with their music. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
@@EbonyPopeSomething people forget is that when I jump from GK (solid state) to an SVT (tube) to going direct with a preamp - I'm going to sound like me, with variations on a theme via the gear. We can't bake our own attack out.
People are using in so much cases the same preset, and the "exactly" recipe even the same monitors and the mix chain with the same parameters so this can be a "problem", but, with the same amp you can do so many things; plugins or real thing whatever.
I should have also brought up how we're in a golden age of gear and there is so much diversity from pickups, to guitars, to types of drive pedals, to amplifier choice, I mean, other than the wide variety of more standard amps, there are all the boutique builders now, omega, ksr, revv, driftwood, Fortin, or even the more established and bigger boutique builders like soldano, Friedman, diezel, vht, Engl, and there's all the plugins of every amp imaginable. It's doubtful that many bands are using the exact same gear. sure, probably a bunch players using the same or similar plugins, but even still.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. If you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player. Imitation always existed but it is true that bands today sound more and more similar despite the overwhelming possiblities. Might have to do with a strange psychological effect that was discovered a while ago. Human beings tend to be less happy with their choices and get increasingly frustrated the more choice they have. It is called "choice overload" look it up!
@@EbonyPope most hair metal bands had very similar tone, same with thrash metal, death metal and even old school heavy metal. What it comes down to is style choices. If I put in exodus and then obituary, you're not going to say they sound the same even though they both use jcm800's, so many bands use tbh 5153's but no one sounds like gojira.
@@MetalHeadProductions You didn't seem to get my point. Of course there were bands that sounded similar back in the day. But first he is using Hendrix and Van Halen as an example which I pointed out might be one of the worst choices ever since Hendrix and Van Halen sound nothing alike. Even a layman would immediately recognize that. And even if they sounded alike that wouldn't prove anything. Glenn didn't say that there are no bands anymore that sound very particular but he meant that the general trend is that they sound more similar which is true. Same is true with pop music. A lot in the industry was streamlined to make production more efficient so they use samples everyone else uses. Nobody doubts the fact that music today despite of all the choices we have is sounding very sameish. I even don't doubt the fact that music was once was more creative and culturally relevant. Only compare the top 100 billboard charts of 1966 to any decade after the 70s and you'll see what I mean. There were more world wide known everygreen hits that went on to write music history in that single year than practically the last decades combined. It was a time where whole musical genres were created from scratch. These times are over there is nothing fundamentally new being created. All music you hear are just slight variations of what was done before. I really like someone like Amy Winehouse but it is practically just 60s soul in a modern dress. There are no true groundbreaking new inventions. Same with science. There are only so many continents you can discover. The rate of life changing discoveries will eventually slow down and come to a halt which is true for culture too. If you are interested in that topic I would recommend to you the book "the end of science".
@@EbonyPope oh I got what you were saying and I agree in that being a terrible example, Hendrix and Van halen, and I'll even agree the industry is streamlined and we look for particular things in high gain guitar production, however the point I was trying to make with say gojira and all the other bands using 5153's is the kind of music being written and played is far more important than the guitar tone and it's what truly distinguishes a band. You could run gojira, Lamb of God and belphegor through the exact same plugin and IR and they'll still sound like themselves. That's more of what I'm getting at here.
How about every video he's made ever, lol. He's just one of those engineers. There are engineers out there that actually do what they can to capture the sound of a band. Then there are engineers who's recordings sound exactly the same no matter who he is recording. Glenn is on of those engineers.
There's the gear and tone you work with and what the gear and tone sounds like in the end after tracking and mastering. The variation is plenty on the front end vs the final mix.
If glen actually took some time to look for bands that weren’t doing the same thing he would be surprised at what he finds. I bet everyone coming to him to record is in to making music for the money alone. Great video always love to see them.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
When I was younger I was adamant about not using the same gear as my heroes, now I love picking up signature gear cause often it just looks and sounds good, Jim Root Terror (still gettin that Leviathan when the time is right), Tom Morello Wah, ect....I also love Zvex Effects and have bought some Manson guitars and I love em all. So I would say definitely buy what makes you happy!
The biggest part of "BandName"s sound is sound engineering and mixing-mastering work. After musicians heads and hands and gear , it's very important How it was Recorded and Mastered
Whatever music you are surrounded by as a young person is what is going to influence your tastes the most. So for that reason it's natural that older and younger generations often don't agree about what is good music no matter how much of it is copycatted.
does it matter, and how many songs will no one remember that were written in those tunings? Goes both ways. I remember people used to say the same thing about Korn and their low tuned 7 string guitars and the nu metal bands that drop tuned as well. Different and lower tunings have become more widely used and there has been plenty of great music as a result, and plenty of forgettable shit as well, like always.
At the Gates has written in 6-string B standard their whole career, and Slaughter of the Soul is a legendary, influential album. Meanwhile, Opeth writes almost exclusively in E standard, and they were also pioneers. Theres forgettable chug djent low stuff, yeah. But theres also forgettable E standard stuff, like purist, formulaic thrash, or some of the more mediocre glam bands. Across tunings, numbers of strings, sub-genres, decades.. Everything varies.
@@MetalHeadProductions that was low and standard 6-strings.. But on the topic of mind-blowing extended-range bands, I’ve loved Ne Obliviscaris, and recently I fell in love with Black Crown Initiate. These two are actually the reason I wanna get an 8-string. I think it really depends on how tunings or ranges/string counts are used- leads on lower tunings may not be as high, but when executed with good contrast from the rhythm and bass, it makes it clear why extended range isnt a requirement to be dynamic. On the other hand, songs like Belie the Machine, one of my favorites from B.C.I, use the hell out of the whole neck, sometimes in just one riff. To me, the appeal of extended range is that I dont lose anything. I get E standard, B standard and F# standard all on the same guitar.
@@edgyswordsmanmusic6769 black crown are great, so are obscura and PDP. Of course Keith merrow is incredible, I'd also highly recommend alluvial, their album this year is stellar, songs like 50 stories and exponent really set them apart.
Wanna talk about doing your own thing? My main metal amp is a 1962 Gretsch executive country gentleman with a Jekyll and Hyde. And the guy who claimed we did all the same in the 80’s is too young to know that Marshall amps were unobtainable for most in the late 70’s , early 80’s as there were very few dealers. It was Crate, Randall, etc for most
I didn't say you all did it the same in the 80's, if you listened, I said the big thrash bands all used jcm800s, many still do, but so did the glam bands and handful of others who all sound very different. Cheap amps and fear helped shape some sub genres, like swedish death metal's sound came about using the cheapest practice amps they could find and hm2's. I think you missed the point and got defensive, I'm saying style separates bands more than using the same amp and cab, otherwise wouldn't cannibal corpse sound an awful lot like creed? Lol.
@@MetalHeadProductions I have to agree with all that. For me a JCM800 was an aspirational thing, like car guys want a Corvettte. Was it better? Yessssss
I think Glenn has a point in that if you think of classic guitar tones that people spend tons of money to try and replicate like Dimebag, or whatever tone from whatever Metallica album? The players who created those tones broke out of those formulas to create something new. I think the coolest tones come not from when you find the amp, the cab, pedals and the EQ settings used by a player and copy it, but when you take that and then add your spin on it. When you can tell what band it is from the first power chord. If your sound is a JCM800 with a TS in front? Awesome, if it makes you happy go for it! But for all those guys who did that in the 80s thrash scene i would in no way say that Scott Ian sounded anything like Kerry King or Gary Holt. They used the same stuff but still put their spin on it. I dont think Glenn is saying you can't... more encouraging you to take that leap out of what's safe and you might be pleasantly surprised to find something that is uniquely yours. If the guys in Entombed said "no one uses an HM2 with everything turned up, make me sound like Slayer" a genre defining sound wouldn't have been born. I am not going to lie... when i first started playing i spent YEARS trying to replicate this sound or that. But eventually i found the coolest stuff was when you took a little bit of this and a little bit of that and finally found what you hear in your head instead of what you hear on your stereo. But i say again before anyone comes for my head... do what makes you happy and dont give a crap what any other player says. How many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb? One to do it and every other one to sit there and say they could have one it better.
That's the point I'm getting at. Just about every 80's thrash metal band boosted a jcm800 with an overdrive and they all have their own sound, so it's not the gear making them sound similar, it's the song writing.
One thing that Glenn also said: High gain Guitar amps are not what affects tone the most. They sound different, but they are all variations on a theme. Amp cabs is where the big differences come from. Therefore, you focusing on what amps people used, instead of what cabs they used and what mic was placed where on the cab, is missing the point a bit.
Nah point still stands. Gary Holt used v30s and doesn't sound like everyone else but tons of people use v30s, for example. Also Glenn harps on amps too in the video I'm responding to as well.
I love Glenn as much as anyone can, but you do have to take what he says with a grain of salt sometimes. He knows his shit, but he's a youtuber and knows he's gotta keep that algorithm in good standing by click baiting the shit out of everything or he gets left in the dust, just like everyone else. He's also been quite critical of programmed drums in recordings, but then... recently released his own programmed drums through his company. All of a sudden they don't sound fake because his were recorded in his studio by his employees, when Toontrack hired the likes of Thomas Hakke and Chris Adler to record their parts in their studios just like every other company that has a drum vst.
Hi, I think not everyone who shouts the loudest is right. I watch a lot of different portals, Ola Englund, Tylor Danley, The Super Fun pedal Show, Sonic Drive Studio, . . . just to name a few. Everyone has their own way of adjusting the sounds and be imprinted or imagined by a sound. I think that's just human and normal.
1 minute 27 seconds into the video i instantly subscribed. relatable point of view. boomerism, elitism and gate keeping I have a big problem with. I find it every where and have a hard time dealing with it
I didn't take it as him putting shit on gear and people using all the same gear. I took it as him putting shit on people that are getting all the same gear as their heroes to replicate them, instead of using the gear to create their own sound along with original writing style. That's how I took it when I watched it.
idk, maybe, but the comment he agreed with was about using the same gear and he made it a point to say people nowadays dont find their own sound like people used to, which really doesnt hold up. Plus, Glenn is fine with trying replicate the sounds of other bands, just as long it's ones he likes, like he's said for years on the channel he's spent years trying to get the clayman tone.
@@felinekaiju4517 it just seems to be an attitude in the guitar and metal community in general. I see a lot of posts of gear or people saying they're going to get a 5153 and they're always hit with a bunch of, "no, get something else, be original, try sounding different."
@@MetalHeadProductions the 5153 is such a versatile amp as you demonstrated with the Steel Panther and Gojira statement. Would you say there's been an influx of purists?.
Yea I want to sound good, not original. Sounding original is easy, fart into a harmonica and run it thru a big muff... now you have an original tone, that one's a freebie
You make some good points however imitation is good till one finds one self combined styles like Jimmy Hendrix Funk Blues Rock... You could use this & add a southern Rock influence. It's now finally finding a unique quality. As for recording Kid Rock First Takes no edit. He says that's why he sounds good live & others sound off live... Over editing. Next Classical Music therse Living Presence Series it's been rereleased several times lots of sales All music 🎵🎶 recording was done live with 3 to 5 Mic 🎤 Wow... Mercury Records from the 60s. Symphony Music Sounds like your at the symphony not a recording studio 🎙️ making music Sterile.... RCA coppied this idea 💡 & it too has been released several times both as of 2 or 3 years ago latest release. RUclips may have a sample... The recording studio was used for touching up areas.. minimal... Look IMO BLACK SABBATH WAS THE ORIGINAL METAL BAND. All music goes back to Africa The drumbs. Which evolving You obviously have Classical Music as more instruments are available.. Simple here I won't go too deep. Then Rag Time Jazz Blues Blues Rock Jazz Rock Fusion Psychedelic music hard rock after classic rock. Then metal & you have Rap ie Hip hop which is rock basically with the beats background and tbe voice filling in the instrumentald. You see rap adding guitar riffs etc yes I didn't mention country etc... The more one plays the better one becomes faster more accurate better tone.. then investigate ideas like EDDIE VAN HALEN... Unique. Prince Loved Studio with cheap Guitars for the Raw sounds... Cheers 🍻🥃🥃 🎸🎶🎶
Plenty of the people I went into detail about didn't use rack gear. The thrash guys just boosted their amps with a tube screamer or sd1, Zakk boosted his with an sd1 and use a chorus pedal, tom doesn't really use rack gear. Point is it comes down to the music played, less on what's it played on. I could use a jcm800, a tube screamer, an a mesa os cab loaded with v30s and that rig would be great for thrash metal, death metal, power metal, hair metal, rock, blues, all sorts of stuff. Just depends on the context it's being used.
im 50 50 with u and glen i use whatever i want, i use v30s and yada yada for a tone that works i think hes criticizing people who think they are more unique then they rlly are. but im not glenn
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
Again, that comes down to style, and come on, yeah jcm800s were modded, but 80s thrash metal bands all had pretty similar tones and setups, and sometimes, got the same mods done. A djent band using a 6505 sounds nothing like behemoth who use 6505s. Also, there's a lot of unique and awesome artists and bands our right now, just gotta look beyond all the djent clones.
@@MetalHeadProductions I can't disagree. I personally use a 78 JMP modded by Voodooamps out of NY and a Mesa 4x12 with replaced speakers. Standard stuff but it sounds amazing and maybe a bit unique since it's more about the combined sound than one specific part of the chain.
That's not his point. His point is you don't need to go out and spend thousands and thousands on certain products just because the name on the grill. He's not criticizing anyone's gear.
First off he absolutely has been critical of gear when saying it's a big factor in modern metal sounding too similar, so my point was it's not about the gear, but the players, since back in the day players used a lot of the same stuff but got different results. I agree in not needing to pay for a name or needing a certain expensive piece of gear to sound good.
@@MetalHeadProductions Oh I totally agree! In my personal opinion, 90% of it is in the knowledge and player abilities, but I have never heard him being critical of anybody else's gear, other than him saying, it's not necessary to pay such huge price tags just because of the name on the label. Mind you, I'm not watching every single thing he uploads either. Was he critical of your gear or someone else's? But I have to agree with him, metal, in my opinion has become so cliche that you can't distinguish one band from another.
@@Squirrel-i6u he has before, including in what I'm responding to now, has talked about metal sounding too similar because people are using similar gear. Let's think of the most stereotypical modern metal rig, a 5150/6505 boosted by a tube screamer with V30 in a mesa cab. That's basically all metal core, but that's also basically the same rig as behemoth and gojira, all of whom sound nothing alike. Another example, tones of bands use evh 5153's, recently messhugah used one on their last album, again gojira, Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit, Belphegor use them live when they tour the US, satchel from steel panther use them, and all of these bands couldn't sound more different. It's sounding similar because we have a million and one djent and core clones playing the same style of music, that's the issue.
@MetalHeadProductions Right, I get that. Those bands definitely have a sound of their own, but those bands also were not doing the same thing that everybody else was doing. That's why they are some of the leaders of the pack and well known in the world of metal, and I'm not saying that every single one sound the same. But 75% of metal bands are so repetitive that it's painful. For example, slayer. If you have heard one song, you've heard their entire catalog. And it's not just the music and the sound either. It's also the image they portray. It gets so boring after a while because they can't sing about or sound like anything but Satan from the pits of hell. They have one image and style that puts them in a box that keeps them there, and how much more evil can you get!? It's been done for so long and so many times that there's just absolutely nothing left to do. It's all been done a million times! That's why we haven't really seen a metal band climb to the top and stay there the way slipknot have done because even though those bands fly the flag, they still aren't breaking any records and they have pretty much run the full gammet by the time they reach their junior year. I know that we're talking about gear here, but honestly, in my opinion, gear has almost zero to do with it. And don't even get me started about the vocals/singer! OMG! That records been broken for a long time! I'd rather hear a fat dog fart, than to have to hear one more growl, and grunt! It's honestly destroying the genre of music. The gear is really irrelevant to any of it. So I do understand what you're saying. And I honestly haven't really heard him trash anybodies gear or either I missed his point one. I think the one thing that I hate worse than anything, is labeling yourself because once you've been tagged, you're done. You're expected to do that same thing until you're 15 minutes is up. When people say that rock n roll music is dead, it's not just rock n roll, all music is either dying or dead because it's impossible to find originality. It's gonna get to the point that people will only listen to what use to be good music. Something is gonna have to happen because music is sittin still.
@@Squirrel-i6u right, that's my point, they sound different because they play widely different subgenres of metal, they set themselves apart, not the gear that's entirely the point I'm making. We agree on why a lot of metal bands sound the same, I'm not sure why debate.
It was easy to be big years ago as it had not been done before...take any modern band back to the '60's & they would have a 90% better chance of success....now it has all been done before people are micro recording every detail but it makes no difference as it was not about being perfect years ago...i come from the Punk era '77, but was listening to music before then back to the '60's...sadly music is just a novalty now, nothing new in years...genres...your a metalhead or rap dude, a punk, a teddy-boy, a skinhead...their are no youth cults anymore ,Punk being the last true culture...Rock was big here from '60's through to late '80's, Glenn's era that he's stuck in...Brit Pop, Emu's i mean Emo's were sub-cultures.... thankfully i got to live through some great times of music..all copied to death a thousand times now... there is only so many chord proggressions you can do on a guitar & it's been done already...kids want Playstations & guns now not £10,000 guitars...you need thousands to cover all your needs...if it was only so simple as carrying a bass or guitar...BS...it costs a packet...i've spend probably £100,000+ in 45+ years of playing....everybody thinks the venue will supply everything, no they won't, if you ain't carrying it your screwed...only Metallica get everything done for them,god knows why, the worst recorded albums by any band...3 pulled back because fans complained at the pasted done on a phone non-sense...& Lars the self destroyer of Roberts first album for Metallica, nice one idiot...music is just copying the past, all pigeon holed with names for every genre..music is dead, long live music.....
So the first point addressed...older bands were more original...was 'debunked' because the bands used the same gear? Not a great counter point since the bands you mentioned sounded NOTHING alike. Ac/dc and iron maiden used the same amps therefore they aren't original? They sound completely different. As does Van Halen. Opeth use marshalls, at least a few years ago they did. Opeth to me are about as original a metal band as you'll find. But they use the 'same' gear as other bands. Hhhmph
I think you missed the point I was making. I'm saying all those bands used the same gear but we're original and different from each other, so it didn't matter they used the same amps. I was debunking his point that using the same gear makes bands less original.
@Metalhead Productions thanks for the correction. Makes sense. And I agree. But I also think that digital tech has made it very easy for people to sound the same, but I guess that's the fault of the artist, not the gear. The brass ring for rock musicians has all but disappeared so I guess spending 9 months in the studio perfecting a record isn't worth it anymore.
I kinda see where youre coming from dude but..Glenn is right. It is true that back in the day, having your own sound was the pinnacle. We would talk about how cool it was that top guitarists...when you heard their jams you could tell who it was immediately. Especially EVH! I'm surprised you mentioned him...but you did, cos you called out how everyone was using the same amps. Well, thats not what Glenn was talking about. EVH got his sht hot rodded to sound unique. I believe Metallica did the same thing. And I believe so did Jimi Hendrix. And I see you mentuioned the modded amps. Well dude, modded to do what? SOUND DIFFERENT. All the guys you named sounded unique. Shit Slayer had their own sound. Exodus too. So did Testament. Today, Glenns right again, dudes do strive for one of three main rhythm sounds. Gone is the interest in having a unique guitar sound. Oh and Im not a GF fan boy. I often give him loads of crap for being a lefty
nuno bettencourt has a story about getting to plug into Van Halen's actual live rig on stage and was immediately really sad because he didn't sound like Eddy, he sounded like Nuno, and that he sounded like Nuno because the sound comes more from the player than the gear. I mentioned Eddy and just a small number of bands at the time using a Plexi to illustrate the point that the sound came more from the player. Also, Eddy did eventually get his Marshalls hot-rodded, his original sound was with a plexi and a variac to mess with the voltage and run the tubes hotter, and for his guest work with Michael Jackson, he used a stock Plexi, nothing more and requested that specifically. Metallica did use a modded a Plexi, like I said, for kill em' all, but used a stock jcm800 with a tube screamer for Ride the Lightning. By you saying everyone I mentioned had a different sound, exactly, that's the point. They used the same gear, especially those 80s thrash bands, but still had their own sound so the gear mattered way less than the player's and their styles of playing. That's the exact point, so it seems you agree with me.
@@MetalHeadProductions I saw that Nuno interview...and its a trip cos Ive read someone say what you said but I dont remember him saying that at all. I just remember him acting all thrilled when he got offered to play on Eddies shit. And, yeah I do agree to an extent that how we play means a lot, but the tone is in our fingers thing lots of people say? I never really believed in that bro. If you picked up Eddies guitar that was hooked up to his rig, stepped on the phaser and played Aint talkin bout Love correctly, you know what youre gonna sound like? Eddie. lolz. And the 80s thrash guys. All their rhythm sounds were different. You really got me thinking about it. They really did all have unique rhythm sounds. Exodus didn't sound like any of the others and on and on. Anthrax guitars didnt sound like Met, Megadeth, Slayer, no one. Glenn really is right. lol Cos as you are fully aware, so many dudes today are after the same 2 or 3 rhythm sounds predominantly. I mean, on videos in the comments, if a guys rhythm tone isn't one of the 2 or 3, youll see comments from dudes calling out his tone. lmao
@@metaldreams3595 you're missing the point again, my dude. If all the 80s thrash guys sounded different and they all used jcm800s, then it's because of their play style and not the amps as much. That's the whole point, you can use the same gear and still sound different. You just agreed with me again, that you can use the same amps and sound different.
This video might be a few years old now but its still relevant now more than ever. Glenn Fricker has this notion he is on the level of Bob Rock/Mutt Lange/Eddie Kramer all roled into one and its hilarious. The guy has recorded a few bands in Canada that dont have really any acclaim ( not bashing them) but that is bashing him because he suggested the recorded sound and tones. Thats because his own tone sucks almost as his attitude to everyone that doesn't do what he wants. I think this all stems from the fact he's still grumpy about that alien that used him as a ventriloquist dummy at Area 51 in Independence Day
So basically... your opinion is more important than Glens? This video was about as pointless as it gets. Stop complaining about other people's opinions lol
My point was to stop complaining about what other people's gear is, and btw, Glenn can have a bad take and I think I did a decent job showing that his idea that all these older guitarists went out of their way to find unique sounds and gear doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You notice I spent the entire video bringing up demonstrable examples to support my argument and didn't just give my opinion.
idk about that. a DAW is one of the best tools for being creative and creating music. in some ways a DAW can be like an instrument itself, it's more about how people decide to use them.
I think the biggest point you made, and what most people don't even address, is that bands before didn't over-edit their music. It had a human touch, it wasn't perfectly aligned to a metronome, it had slight tempo variants and not every note sounded perfect. That's what's "killing music" and making it all sound the same, not the gear. Everyone's so afraid of having a "bad mix" that they totally forget about the musicianship and letting your playing be heard through a recording. If you make everything too perfect, then everything will sound sterile and the same. Musicians should worry less about the mix and more about their music arrangements and what they want to convey to the listener with their music. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
VH recordings are full of mistakes and they are some of the best known rock albums of all times
Well said.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
@@EbonyPopeSomething people forget is that when I jump from GK (solid state) to an SVT (tube) to going direct with a preamp - I'm going to sound like me, with variations on a theme via the gear. We can't bake our own attack out.
@@WilDBeestMF Sorry I'm not a native english speaker. What does GK and SVT mean?
Its not what gear you use, its HOW you use it.
100%
People are using in so much cases the same preset, and the "exactly" recipe even the same monitors and the mix chain with the same parameters so this can be a "problem", but, with the same amp you can do so many things; plugins or real thing whatever.
I should have also brought up how we're in a golden age of gear and there is so much diversity from pickups, to guitars, to types of drive pedals, to amplifier choice, I mean, other than the wide variety of more standard amps, there are all the boutique builders now, omega, ksr, revv, driftwood, Fortin, or even the more established and bigger boutique builders like soldano, Friedman, diezel, vht, Engl, and there's all the plugins of every amp imaginable. It's doubtful that many bands are using the exact same gear. sure, probably a bunch players using the same or similar plugins, but even still.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. If you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player. Imitation always existed but it is true that bands today sound more and more similar despite the overwhelming possiblities. Might have to do with a strange psychological effect that was discovered a while ago. Human beings tend to be less happy with their choices and get increasingly frustrated the more choice they have. It is called "choice overload" look it up!
@@EbonyPope most hair metal bands had very similar tone, same with thrash metal, death metal and even old school heavy metal.
What it comes down to is style choices. If I put in exodus and then obituary, you're not going to say they sound the same even though they both use jcm800's, so many bands use tbh 5153's but no one sounds like gojira.
@@MetalHeadProductions You didn't seem to get my point. Of course there were bands that sounded similar back in the day. But first he is using Hendrix and Van Halen as an example which I pointed out might be one of the worst choices ever since Hendrix and Van Halen sound nothing alike. Even a layman would immediately recognize that. And even if they sounded alike that wouldn't prove anything. Glenn didn't say that there are no bands anymore that sound very particular but he meant that the general trend is that they sound more similar which is true. Same is true with pop music. A lot in the industry was streamlined to make production more efficient so they use samples everyone else uses. Nobody doubts the fact that music today despite of all the choices we have is sounding very sameish. I even don't doubt the fact that music was once was more creative and culturally relevant. Only compare the top 100 billboard charts of 1966 to any decade after the 70s and you'll see what I mean. There were more world wide known everygreen hits that went on to write music history in that single year than practically the last decades combined. It was a time where whole musical genres were created from scratch. These times are over there is nothing fundamentally new being created. All music you hear are just slight variations of what was done before. I really like someone like Amy Winehouse but it is practically just 60s soul in a modern dress. There are no true groundbreaking new inventions. Same with science. There are only so many continents you can discover. The rate of life changing discoveries will eventually slow down and come to a halt which is true for culture too. If you are interested in that topic I would recommend to you the book "the end of science".
@@EbonyPope oh I got what you were saying and I agree in that being a terrible example, Hendrix and Van halen, and I'll even agree the industry is streamlined and we look for particular things in high gain guitar production, however the point I was trying to make with say gojira and all the other bands using 5153's is the kind of music being written and played is far more important than the guitar tone and it's what truly distinguishes a band. You could run gojira, Lamb of God and belphegor through the exact same plugin and IR and they'll still sound like themselves. That's more of what I'm getting at here.
I do wonder how many bands seemingly using the same cabs and amps as each other, have different speakers loaded in the cab.
Preach it. It's not about the gear, it's about the music and the people behind it.
Yes gear matters. But only kind of.
Well said.
Funny how he names Hendrix and Van Halen using the same gear but they sound nothing alike. Like in not even close.
As a TS into a Dual/Triple rec guy, I appreciate this. If it's good, it's good.
Ironically, Glenn had somehow made three different amp sound exactly the same in his mix in one of his recent video.
How about every video he's made ever, lol. He's just one of those engineers. There are engineers out there that actually do what they can to capture the sound of a band. Then there are engineers who's recordings sound exactly the same no matter who he is recording. Glenn is on of those engineers.
There's the gear and tone you work with and what the gear and tone sounds like in the end after tracking and mastering. The variation is plenty on the front end vs the final mix.
Loved to hear your points
If glen actually took some time to look for bands that weren’t doing the same thing he would be surprised at what he finds. I bet everyone coming to him to record is in to making music for the money alone. Great video always love to see them.
Seriously, I get there are a bunch of djent clone bands right now, but there are so many interesting bands and players out there right now.
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
It is very correct, it is enough that you like the gear you experience and try to sound different
Man, I loved this. Glenn rekt af. No but seriously you make very good points.
Life’s too short for any more Glenn Fricker.
When I was younger I was adamant about not using the same gear as my heroes, now I love picking up signature gear cause often it just looks and sounds good, Jim Root Terror (still gettin that Leviathan when the time is right), Tom Morello Wah, ect....I also love Zvex Effects and have bought some Manson guitars and I love em all. So I would say definitely buy what makes you happy!
I'd rather die hunting for my own sound then fall in line and be a clone.
Finding cool and unique sounds is awesome. Big part of that is the music for sure.
Same
Great topic and response!
I can do what I do on good quality high gain amp. From a DSL, to a rectifier, to a 6505,
The biggest part of "BandName"s sound is sound engineering and mixing-mastering work. After musicians heads and hands and gear , it's very important How it was Recorded and Mastered
Sure, an engineer can absolutely take all the life out of a recording, time align everything to death
I've never heard of Mike Tremonti, but Mark Tremonti is a killer player.
Whatever music you are surrounded by as a young person is what is going to influence your tastes the most. So for that reason it's natural that older and younger generations often don't agree about what is good music no matter how much of it is copycatted.
Shared to Heavy Metal amps and pedals
How many great memorable metal songs were written in E standard, E flat, D sharp as opposed to dropped Z?
does it matter, and how many songs will no one remember that were written in those tunings? Goes both ways. I remember people used to say the same thing about Korn and their low tuned 7 string guitars and the nu metal bands that drop tuned as well. Different and lower tunings have become more widely used and there has been plenty of great music as a result, and plenty of forgettable shit as well, like always.
At the Gates has written in 6-string B standard their whole career, and Slaughter of the Soul is a legendary, influential album. Meanwhile, Opeth writes almost exclusively in E standard, and they were also pioneers.
Theres forgettable chug djent low stuff, yeah. But theres also forgettable E standard stuff, like purist, formulaic thrash, or some of the more mediocre glam bands. Across tunings, numbers of strings, sub-genres, decades.. Everything varies.
@@edgyswordsmanmusic6769 exactly
@@MetalHeadProductions that was low and standard 6-strings.. But on the topic of mind-blowing extended-range bands, I’ve loved Ne Obliviscaris, and recently I fell in love with Black Crown Initiate. These two are actually the reason I wanna get an 8-string. I think it really depends on how tunings or ranges/string counts are used- leads on lower tunings may not be as high, but when executed with good contrast from the rhythm and bass, it makes it clear why extended range isnt a requirement to be dynamic. On the other hand, songs like Belie the Machine, one of my favorites from B.C.I, use the hell out of the whole neck, sometimes in just one riff. To me, the appeal of extended range is that I dont lose anything. I get E standard, B standard and F# standard all on the same guitar.
@@edgyswordsmanmusic6769 black crown are great, so are obscura and PDP. Of course Keith merrow is incredible, I'd also highly recommend alluvial, their album this year is stellar, songs like 50 stories and exponent really set them apart.
Wanna talk about doing your own thing? My main metal amp is a 1962 Gretsch executive country gentleman with a Jekyll and Hyde. And the guy who claimed we did all the same in the 80’s is too young to know that Marshall amps were unobtainable for most in the late 70’s , early 80’s as there were very few dealers. It was Crate, Randall, etc for most
I didn't say you all did it the same in the 80's, if you listened, I said the big thrash bands all used jcm800s, many still do, but so did the glam bands and handful of others who all sound very different.
Cheap amps and fear helped shape some sub genres, like swedish death metal's sound came about using the cheapest practice amps they could find and hm2's.
I think you missed the point and got defensive, I'm saying style separates bands more than using the same amp and cab, otherwise wouldn't cannibal corpse sound an awful lot like creed? Lol.
@@MetalHeadProductions I have to agree with all that. For me a JCM800 was an aspirational thing, like car guys want a Corvettte. Was it better? Yessssss
@@ro307805 absolutely, I still want a jcm800, haha, specifically the KFK version
True words
I think Glenn has a point in that if you think of classic guitar tones that people spend tons of money to try and replicate like Dimebag, or whatever tone from whatever Metallica album? The players who created those tones broke out of those formulas to create something new. I think the coolest tones come not from when you find the amp, the cab, pedals and the EQ settings used by a player and copy it, but when you take that and then add your spin on it. When you can tell what band it is from the first power chord. If your sound is a JCM800 with a TS in front? Awesome, if it makes you happy go for it! But for all those guys who did that in the 80s thrash scene i would in no way say that Scott Ian sounded anything like Kerry King or Gary Holt. They used the same stuff but still put their spin on it. I dont think Glenn is saying you can't... more encouraging you to take that leap out of what's safe and you might be pleasantly surprised to find something that is uniquely yours. If the guys in Entombed said "no one uses an HM2 with everything turned up, make me sound like Slayer" a genre defining sound wouldn't have been born. I am not going to lie... when i first started playing i spent YEARS trying to replicate this sound or that. But eventually i found the coolest stuff was when you took a little bit of this and a little bit of that and finally found what you hear in your head instead of what you hear on your stereo. But i say again before anyone comes for my head... do what makes you happy and dont give a crap what any other player says. How many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb? One to do it and every other one to sit there and say they could have one it better.
That's the point I'm getting at. Just about every 80's thrash metal band boosted a jcm800 with an overdrive and they all have their own sound, so it's not the gear making them sound similar, it's the song writing.
One thing that Glenn also said: High gain Guitar amps are not what affects tone the most. They sound different, but they are all variations on a theme. Amp cabs is where the big differences come from. Therefore, you focusing on what amps people used, instead of what cabs they used and what mic was placed where on the cab, is missing the point a bit.
Nah point still stands. Gary Holt used v30s and doesn't sound like everyone else but tons of people use v30s, for example. Also Glenn harps on amps too in the video I'm responding to as well.
Awesome vid brother ❤🔥 you Nailed it
You verbalized my thoughts exactly about that frick'n fricker! Haha.
All I can say is amen brother
I love Glenn as much as anyone can, but you do have to take what he says with a grain of salt sometimes. He knows his shit, but he's a youtuber and knows he's gotta keep that algorithm in good standing by click baiting the shit out of everything or he gets left in the dust, just like everyone else. He's also been quite critical of programmed drums in recordings, but then... recently released his own programmed drums through his company. All of a sudden they don't sound fake because his were recorded in his studio by his employees, when Toontrack hired the likes of Thomas Hakke and Chris Adler to record their parts in their studios just like every other company that has a drum vst.
This is essentially “he knows his stuff… until he says something I disagree with”
Awesome statement.
Hi, I think not everyone who shouts the loudest is right. I watch a lot of different portals, Ola Englund, Tylor Danley, The Super Fun pedal Show, Sonic Drive Studio, . . . just to name a few. Everyone has their own way of adjusting the sounds and be imprinted or imagined by a sound. I think that's just human and normal.
Same.
Taylor Danley is pretty cool.
1 minute 27 seconds into the video i instantly subscribed. relatable point of view. boomerism, elitism and gate keeping I have a big problem with. I find it every where and have a hard time dealing with it
Excellent points
I didn't take it as him putting shit on gear and people using all the same gear. I took it as him putting shit on people that are getting all the same gear as their heroes to replicate them, instead of using the gear to create their own sound along with original writing style. That's how I took it when I watched it.
idk, maybe, but the comment he agreed with was about using the same gear and he made it a point to say people nowadays dont find their own sound like people used to, which really doesnt hold up. Plus, Glenn is fine with trying replicate the sounds of other bands, just as long it's ones he likes, like he's said for years on the channel he's spent years trying to get the clayman tone.
@@MetalHeadProductions I'll have to give it another watch. Maybe I'll slow it down and listen.
@@felinekaiju4517 it just seems to be an attitude in the guitar and metal community in general. I see a lot of posts of gear or people saying they're going to get a 5153 and they're always hit with a bunch of, "no, get something else, be original, try sounding different."
@@MetalHeadProductions the 5153 is such a versatile amp as you demonstrated with the Steel Panther and Gojira statement. Would you say there's been an influx of purists?.
@@felinekaiju4517 oh absolutely
Spot on.
Great video!
Most fans wont tell ur guitar tone, what they will tell is a good mix tho
Well said brother 😎
Yea I want to sound good, not original. Sounding original is easy, fart into a harmonica and run it thru a big muff... now you have an original tone, that one's a freebie
Good fuckin video 👌🏻 I agree totally 🤟🏻
You make some good points however imitation is good till one finds one self combined styles like Jimmy Hendrix Funk Blues Rock... You could use this & add a southern Rock influence. It's now finally finding a unique quality.
As for recording Kid Rock First Takes no edit. He says that's why he sounds good live & others sound off live... Over editing. Next Classical Music therse Living Presence Series it's been rereleased several times lots of sales
All music 🎵🎶 recording was done live with 3 to 5 Mic 🎤 Wow... Mercury Records from the 60s. Symphony Music Sounds like your at the symphony not a recording studio 🎙️ making music Sterile.... RCA coppied this idea 💡 & it too has been released several times both as of 2 or 3 years ago latest release. RUclips may have a sample... The recording studio was used for touching up areas.. minimal... Look IMO BLACK SABBATH WAS THE ORIGINAL METAL BAND. All music goes back to Africa The drumbs. Which evolving You obviously have Classical Music as more instruments are available.. Simple here I won't go too deep. Then Rag Time Jazz Blues Blues Rock Jazz Rock Fusion Psychedelic music hard rock after classic rock. Then metal & you have Rap ie Hip hop which is rock basically with the beats background and tbe voice filling in the instrumentald. You see rap adding guitar riffs etc yes I didn't mention country etc... The more one plays the better one becomes faster more accurate better tone.. then investigate ideas like EDDIE VAN HALEN... Unique. Prince Loved Studio with cheap Guitars for the Raw sounds... Cheers 🍻🥃🥃 🎸🎶🎶
Yes because there wasn't a whole era of rack gear, Zakk didn't achieve his sound because he wanted to imitate TNT"s 10 000 lovers...
Plenty of the people I went into detail about didn't use rack gear. The thrash guys just boosted their amps with a tube screamer or sd1, Zakk boosted his with an sd1 and use a chorus pedal, tom doesn't really use rack gear.
Point is it comes down to the music played, less on what's it played on. I could use a jcm800, a tube screamer, an a mesa os cab loaded with v30s and that rig would be great for thrash metal, death metal, power metal, hair metal, rock, blues, all sorts of stuff. Just depends on the context it's being used.
im 50 50 with u and glen
i use whatever i want, i use v30s and yada yada for a tone that works
i think hes criticizing people who think they are more unique then they rlly are. but im not glenn
They might have been using Marshal Plexis but to say Van Halen sounds like Hendrix would be absolute nonsense. It is more abou the general trend and yes if you made a laymen listen to someone like Hendrix and then Van Halen he would immediately hear the difference but I highly doubt he would be able to do that with most modern Metal Bands on the guitar sound alone. Just listen to Blackmore he sounds like no one else. Even people not familiar with instruments recognize him after hearing only a few notes I honestly couldn't do that with modern bands and I am a guitar player.
1984 BELGIUM RADIO!!!!!
The thing you are missing is a lot of the 80s amps were modded. Fast forward to now.. everyone wants the same tone. DJENT DJENT ..
Again, that comes down to style, and come on, yeah jcm800s were modded, but 80s thrash metal bands all had pretty similar tones and setups, and sometimes, got the same mods done.
A djent band using a 6505 sounds nothing like behemoth who use 6505s. Also, there's a lot of unique and awesome artists and bands our right now, just gotta look beyond all the djent clones.
@@MetalHeadProductions I can't disagree. I personally use a 78 JMP modded by Voodooamps out of NY and a Mesa 4x12 with replaced speakers. Standard stuff but it sounds amazing and maybe a bit unique since it's more about the combined sound than one specific part of the chain.
@@MichaelBruceTaos sounds like a killer setup
@@MetalHeadProductions It can bring the punishment. My favorite!
Word \m/
That's not his point. His point is you don't need to go out and spend thousands and thousands on certain products just because the name on the grill. He's not criticizing anyone's gear.
First off he absolutely has been critical of gear when saying it's a big factor in modern metal sounding too similar, so my point was it's not about the gear, but the players, since back in the day players used a lot of the same stuff but got different results. I agree in not needing to pay for a name or needing a certain expensive piece of gear to sound good.
@@MetalHeadProductions Oh I totally agree! In my personal opinion, 90% of it is in the knowledge and player abilities, but I have never heard him being critical of anybody else's gear, other than him saying, it's not necessary to pay such huge price tags just because of the name on the label. Mind you, I'm not watching every single thing he uploads either. Was he critical of your gear or someone else's?
But I have to agree with him, metal, in my opinion has become so cliche that you can't distinguish one band from another.
@@Squirrel-i6u he has before, including in what I'm responding to now, has talked about metal sounding too similar because people are using similar gear.
Let's think of the most stereotypical modern metal rig, a 5150/6505 boosted by a tube screamer with V30 in a mesa cab. That's basically all metal core, but that's also basically the same rig as behemoth and gojira, all of whom sound nothing alike.
Another example, tones of bands use evh 5153's, recently messhugah used one on their last album, again gojira, Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit, Belphegor use them live when they tour the US, satchel from steel panther use them, and all of these bands couldn't sound more different.
It's sounding similar because we have a million and one djent and core clones playing the same style of music, that's the issue.
@MetalHeadProductions Right, I get that. Those bands definitely have a sound of their own, but those bands also were not doing the same thing that everybody else was doing. That's why they are some of the leaders of the pack and well known in the world of metal, and I'm not saying that every single one sound the same. But 75% of metal bands are so repetitive that it's painful. For example, slayer. If you have heard one song, you've heard their entire catalog. And it's not just the music and the sound either. It's also the image they portray. It gets so boring after a while because they can't sing about or sound like anything but Satan from the pits of hell. They have one image and style that puts them in a box that keeps them there, and how much more evil can you get!? It's been done for so long and so many times that there's just absolutely nothing left to do. It's all been done a million times! That's why we haven't really seen a metal band climb to the top and stay there the way slipknot have done because even though those bands fly the flag, they still aren't breaking any records and they have pretty much run the full gammet by the time they reach their junior year. I know that we're talking about gear here, but honestly, in my opinion, gear has almost zero to do with it. And don't even get me started about the vocals/singer! OMG! That records been broken for a long time! I'd rather hear a fat dog fart, than to have to hear one more growl, and grunt! It's honestly destroying the genre of music. The gear is really irrelevant to any of it. So I do understand what you're saying. And I honestly haven't really heard him trash anybodies gear or either I missed his point one. I think the one thing that I hate worse than anything, is labeling yourself because once you've been tagged, you're done. You're expected to do that same thing until you're 15 minutes is up. When people say that rock n roll music is dead, it's not just rock n roll, all music is either dying or dead because it's impossible to find originality. It's gonna get to the point that people will only listen to what use to be good music. Something is gonna have to happen because music is sittin still.
@@Squirrel-i6u right, that's my point, they sound different because they play widely different subgenres of metal, they set themselves apart, not the gear that's entirely the point I'm making. We agree on why a lot of metal bands sound the same, I'm not sure why debate.
This dude said Mike tremonti 😂
Yeah I misspoke, meant Mark. It happens.
It was easy to be big years ago as it had not been done before...take any modern band back to the '60's & they would have a 90% better chance of success....now it has all been done before people are micro recording every detail but it makes no difference as it was not about being perfect years ago...i come from the Punk era '77, but was listening to music before then back to the '60's...sadly music is just a novalty now, nothing new in years...genres...your a metalhead or rap dude, a punk, a teddy-boy, a skinhead...their are no youth cults anymore ,Punk being the last true culture...Rock was big here from '60's through to late '80's, Glenn's era that he's stuck in...Brit Pop, Emu's i mean Emo's were sub-cultures.... thankfully i got to live through some great times of music..all copied to death a thousand times now... there is only so many chord proggressions you can do on a guitar & it's been done already...kids want Playstations & guns now not £10,000 guitars...you need thousands to cover all your needs...if it was only so simple as carrying a bass or guitar...BS...it costs a packet...i've spend probably £100,000+ in 45+ years of playing....everybody thinks the venue will supply everything, no they won't, if you ain't carrying it your screwed...only Metallica get everything done for them,god knows why, the worst recorded albums by any band...3 pulled back because fans complained at the pasted done on a phone non-sense...& Lars the self destroyer of Roberts first album for Metallica, nice one idiot...music is just copying the past, all pigeon holed with names for every genre..music is dead, long live music.....
So the first point addressed...older bands were more original...was 'debunked' because the bands used the same gear? Not a great counter point since the bands you mentioned sounded NOTHING alike. Ac/dc and iron maiden used the same amps therefore they aren't original? They sound completely different. As does Van Halen. Opeth use marshalls, at least a few years ago they did. Opeth to me are about as original a metal band as you'll find. But they use the 'same' gear as other bands. Hhhmph
I think you missed the point I was making. I'm saying all those bands used the same gear but we're original and different from each other, so it didn't matter they used the same amps.
I was debunking his point that using the same gear makes bands less original.
@Metalhead Productions thanks for the correction. Makes sense. And I agree. But I also think that digital tech has made it very easy for people to sound the same, but I guess that's the fault of the artist, not the gear. The brass ring for rock musicians has all but disappeared so I guess spending 9 months in the studio perfecting a record isn't worth it anymore.
@@chrississon5954 I agree it's more on the artist and less with the gear. There were so few options for high gain, and they all were so diverse.
I kinda see where youre coming from dude but..Glenn is right. It is true that back in the day, having your own sound was the pinnacle. We would talk about how cool it was that top guitarists...when you heard their jams you could tell who it was immediately. Especially EVH! I'm surprised you mentioned him...but you did, cos you called out how everyone was using the same amps. Well, thats not what Glenn was talking about. EVH got his sht hot rodded to sound unique. I believe Metallica did the same thing. And I believe so did Jimi Hendrix. And I see you mentuioned the modded amps. Well dude, modded to do what? SOUND DIFFERENT.
All the guys you named sounded unique. Shit Slayer had their own sound. Exodus too. So did Testament.
Today, Glenns right again, dudes do strive for one of three main rhythm sounds. Gone is the interest in having a unique guitar sound. Oh and Im not a GF fan boy. I often give him loads of crap for being a lefty
nuno bettencourt has a story about getting to plug into Van Halen's actual live rig on stage and was immediately really sad because he didn't sound like Eddy, he sounded like Nuno, and that he sounded like Nuno because the sound comes more from the player than the gear.
I mentioned Eddy and just a small number of bands at the time using a Plexi to illustrate the point that the sound came more from the player. Also, Eddy did eventually get his Marshalls hot-rodded, his original sound was with a plexi and a variac to mess with the voltage and run the tubes hotter, and for his guest work with Michael Jackson, he used a stock Plexi, nothing more and requested that specifically. Metallica did use a modded a Plexi, like I said, for kill em' all, but used a stock jcm800 with a tube screamer for Ride the Lightning.
By you saying everyone I mentioned had a different sound, exactly, that's the point. They used the same gear, especially those 80s thrash bands, but still had their own sound so the gear mattered way less than the player's and their styles of playing. That's the exact point, so it seems you agree with me.
@@MetalHeadProductions I saw that Nuno interview...and its a trip cos Ive read someone say what you said but I dont remember him saying that at all.
I just remember him acting all thrilled when he got offered to play on Eddies shit.
And, yeah I do agree to an extent that how we play means a lot, but the tone is in our fingers thing lots of people say? I never really believed in that bro.
If you picked up Eddies guitar that was hooked up to his rig, stepped on the phaser and played Aint talkin bout Love correctly, you know what youre gonna sound like? Eddie. lolz.
And the 80s thrash guys. All their rhythm sounds were different.
You really got me thinking about it.
They really did all have unique rhythm sounds. Exodus didn't sound like any of the others and on and on. Anthrax guitars didnt sound like Met, Megadeth, Slayer, no one.
Glenn really is right. lol
Cos as you are fully aware, so many dudes today are after the same 2 or 3 rhythm sounds predominantly.
I mean, on videos in the comments, if a guys rhythm tone isn't one of the 2 or 3, youll see comments from dudes calling out his tone. lmao
@@metaldreams3595 you're missing the point again, my dude. If all the 80s thrash guys sounded different and they all used jcm800s, then it's because of their play style and not the amps as much.
That's the whole point, you can use the same gear and still sound different. You just agreed with me again, that you can use the same amps and sound different.
This video might be a few years old now but its still relevant now more than ever. Glenn Fricker has this notion he is on the level of Bob Rock/Mutt Lange/Eddie Kramer all roled into one and its hilarious. The guy has recorded a few bands in Canada that dont have really any acclaim ( not bashing them) but that is bashing him because he suggested the recorded sound and tones. Thats because his own tone sucks almost as his attitude to everyone that doesn't do what he wants.
I think this all stems from the fact he's still grumpy about that alien that used him as a ventriloquist dummy at Area 51 in Independence Day
Glens idea of metal is motly crew, and glam bands, glen has horrible taste in metal
Glen misses the point so often i cant watch him any more hes so pretentious
Glen is often wrong
Boomer idea, hey!! LOL
So basically... your opinion is more important than Glens? This video was about as pointless as it gets. Stop complaining about other people's opinions lol
My point was to stop complaining about what other people's gear is, and btw, Glenn can have a bad take and I think I did a decent job showing that his idea that all these older guitarists went out of their way to find unique sounds and gear doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You notice I spent the entire video bringing up demonstrable examples to support my argument and didn't just give my opinion.
Ease for home recording will kill music.
idk about that. a DAW is one of the best tools for being creative and creating music. in some ways a DAW can be like an instrument itself, it's more about how people decide to use them.
@@MetalHeadProductions I’m just shitposting at this point.
Yeah nah… simple as that.