Great explanation on the seals. What a lot of folks dont realize is that even having a $$$ ceramic super fast bearing, if it has a more robust seal, it wont spin really any better than a quality steel bearing. Kogel BB with the cross seals is like this. Seals off, spins like crazy, seals on, really no different than the 6805 in a lower price Shimano BB.
Awesome video! I could see/hear Danielle speaking for hours, so precise and clear, thank you! And "you might be losing an inordinate amount of sleep about your past hub services...." is soooo friggin' true
Thanks, just what I needed. I was just about to order the Max bearings to use in my QR hub, naturally assuming that Max has to be better. Really useful comparison.
I guess they're targeting their stock hubs at the average cyclist who's likely to ride in wet weather on not so good surfaces often enough to merit the tougher if slower bearings. Isn't that a MTB hub? If so it really should be the Max version, as opposed to a road hub.
Same exact thing just happened to me. I'm overhauling my bike's freehub and need to remove its sealed bearings to get to it, which can only be removed by being punched out from their inner races, which ruins them (dumb design by Mavic but I'm stuck with it). I managed to find one of them online and had it delivered to a LBS--for free, often the next day, if you order from Trek. Trek didn't have the other kind. When I went to pick up the bearing I asked them if they had the other kind and they said yes, but only in the Max version. I looked it up online and turns out that the Max version is for heavy duty use with lots of sideways impact, as in MTB and BMX, and since I have a road bike and ride in only on good paved roads, it wasn't for me. They didn't try to push me on it though, it's just all that they had. I ended up ordering the other one from Trek after I realized that I was looking for the wrong bearing model, and they did have the one I needed in stock. Only $6 + tax, for each, Enduro LLB, which is their low friction version. With the free shipping to a LBS, can't be beat.
@@NeutralSupportNews I kind of sensed that the guy was disappointed that I didn't buy the part, as there didn't seem to be a lot of business coming this store's way and every sale counts. It's not a high-end store that caters to people who ride $5k bikes, for sure. But the guy was honest and ethical in not pushing it on me. Plus I probably came across as knowing enough about bikes that he knew that a hard sell wouldn't work on me and could even backfire. I can't stand salespeople who lie or even exaggerate.
A lot of older/cheaper rear suspension frames use regular enduros, they usually last about 2-3 years in average conditions. Higher end modern frames are using Max more and more. They seems to last quite a bit longer. They WILL need replaced (before they die/rust up/ seize or break) or frame damage can and will occour!
Makes sense on MTB & BMX bikes that sustain lots of impacts and sideways shock and where speed isn't as much of a concern, but not as much on road and even gravel bikes which generally endure far less abuse and where speed is more important.
I just got some Enduro 6903 LLB Ceramic Hybrid Bearings for my Zipp 303FC (ZR1's) wheels. Do you know if they need to be inserted in a certain direction like other bearings with black and blue seal?
Good choice! The rule of thumb is black seal out IF there are two different colored seals (usually for suspension or angular contact bearings). I don't have one in front of me right now, but I thought the bearing you are speaking of was radial, equal seals on both sides (same color) so not directional. If I'm wrong though, black out!
Sounds like those people need to spring for some XD-15 bearings 😏 Enduro sold plenty of Max to companies utilizing undersized cartridge bearings in their hubs - fitting in 8 bearings instead of 5 makes a huge impact on strength. It's not impossible, just not the most ideal for most applications.
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That was great. I loved the level of detail, thanks.
Great explanation on the seals. What a lot of folks dont realize is that even having a $$$ ceramic super fast bearing, if it has a more robust seal, it wont spin really any better than a quality steel bearing.
Kogel BB with the cross seals is like this. Seals off, spins like crazy, seals on, really no different than the 6805 in a lower price Shimano BB.
Awesome video! I could see/hear Danielle speaking for hours, so precise and clear, thank you! And "you might be losing an inordinate amount of sleep about your past hub services...." is soooo friggin' true
Tell us more! I would watch another 15-20 minutes on this topic. Very helpful
Another great video. I don't think anyone else makes learning about mechanics as digestable as you do. Thanks.
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying them. More to come!
Part of a good quality bearing is using it for the intended purpose
I learn something new every time here.
As always entertaining yet very informative.
Love your humor.
Thanks, just what I needed. I was just about to order the Max bearings to use in my QR hub, naturally assuming that Max has to be better. Really useful comparison.
Super clear and interesting ! Thank you !
Interestingly DT Swiss 370 read hub uses two 6902LLU and their Micro spline hub body 6802RS. Both types are red vs the blue ABEC-type 🤔
I guess they're targeting their stock hubs at the average cyclist who's likely to ride in wet weather on not so good surfaces often enough to merit the tougher if slower bearings. Isn't that a MTB hub? If so it really should be the Max version, as opposed to a road hub.
Great job. Thanks.
Love it, awesome way to explain this. Thanks!
Same exact thing just happened to me. I'm overhauling my bike's freehub and need to remove its sealed bearings to get to it, which can only be removed by being punched out from their inner races, which ruins them (dumb design by Mavic but I'm stuck with it).
I managed to find one of them online and had it delivered to a LBS--for free, often the next day, if you order from Trek. Trek didn't have the other kind. When I went to pick up the bearing I asked them if they had the other kind and they said yes, but only in the Max version.
I looked it up online and turns out that the Max version is for heavy duty use with lots of sideways impact, as in MTB and BMX, and since I have a road bike and ride in only on good paved roads, it wasn't for me. They didn't try to push me on it though, it's just all that they had.
I ended up ordering the other one from Trek after I realized that I was looking for the wrong bearing model, and they did have the one I needed in stock. Only $6 + tax, for each, Enduro LLB, which is their low friction version. With the free shipping to a LBS, can't be beat.
It's a good sign they didn't push you on it! So many people assume max just means better. More money = faster right???
@@NeutralSupportNews I kind of sensed that the guy was disappointed that I didn't buy the part, as there didn't seem to be a lot of business coming this store's way and every sale counts. It's not a high-end store that caters to people who ride $5k bikes, for sure. But the guy was honest and ethical in not pushing it on me. Plus I probably came across as knowing enough about bikes that he knew that a hard sell wouldn't work on me and could even backfire. I can't stand salespeople who lie or even exaggerate.
A lot of older/cheaper rear suspension frames use regular enduros, they usually last about 2-3 years in average conditions. Higher end modern frames are using Max more and more. They seems to last quite a bit longer. They WILL need replaced (before they die/rust up/ seize or break) or frame damage can and will occour!
Makes sense on MTB & BMX bikes that sustain lots of impacts and sideways shock and where speed isn't as much of a concern, but not as much on road and even gravel bikes which generally endure far less abuse and where speed is more important.
full compliment bearings wowww learn stuff everydayyy
Big thank you!
Good video. Subscribed!
Nice video lot of info thanks!
I just got some Enduro 6903 LLB Ceramic Hybrid Bearings for my Zipp 303FC (ZR1's) wheels. Do you know if they need to be inserted in a certain direction like other bearings with black and blue seal?
Good choice! The rule of thumb is black seal out IF there are two different colored seals (usually for suspension or angular contact bearings). I don't have one in front of me right now, but I thought the bearing you are speaking of was radial, equal seals on both sides (same color) so not directional. If I'm wrong though, black out!
Love the tool review vids. Do you have a store to order tools or maintenance items ?
Thanks! Not currently, the website has a merchandise store that will grow to include more items (but no parts/tools as of yet)
Very good!
Enduro Bearing Outlet, selling MAX upgrade hub bearings to the competition generations.
Lovely explanation and clarity. Thank you!
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i purposely choose max bearings for hub abusers. better sealing and load capacity
Sounds like those people need to spring for some XD-15 bearings 😏 Enduro sold plenty of Max to companies utilizing undersized cartridge bearings in their hubs - fitting in 8 bearings instead of 5 makes a huge impact on strength. It's not impossible, just not the most ideal for most applications.
So are you comparing road bike bearings to the former president's inauguration? 🤣
The Enduro Abec 3 bearing is packed with Trump supporters? Oh my!
Yeah but not nearly as many as he likes to claim, so relatively low friction. 😂