So the MX4 is lighter, better suspension, just as powerful, and imo looks way better AND is 500$ cheaper.. I think i made the right choice getting an mx4
@@KevinValladares-o9j you are flat out wrong, the MX4 has way nicer forks and shocks than the mantis and my talaria mx4 goes 55 mph easily on flat road.
All the specs aside, when form over function is the question, I will pick a talaria sting or surron over the mantis all day long! It is just an ugly bike! Exceptional review guys! Keep up the good work!
Great video and a cool bike. Ive been riding motocross since I was 5 and would hands down prefer a modded mx4 or modded sur ron light bee over this. Just the overall design with not the best suspension and the fact it has no dedicated rear suspension linkage which is an absolute MUST for any real motocross-oriented bike, this makes it a massive dealbreaker for anyone serious about jumping. I've jumped my light bee over 65 feet but would never feel comfortable doing that on this bike over a mx3/mx4 or sur ron
Totally agree about the position of the seat bump, sliding forward into it, you feel like you are out in front of the front wheel, not over it. Never once had an issue with the motor bolts or subframe and I ride in sneakers, not boots. I am just cruising small neighborhood trails, not trying to race it. Mine is the 60v gen 2 version, and it's truly awful how just how inaccurate the speedo and range are compared to the marketing stats. I never got the impression from the marketing that this is meant to be a track bike, or anything different than the other small e-motos, it's just a different look and feel than the others. 18-20 mile range at the top end, when mashing in sport mode the whole time, and my phone gps speedo put top speed at like 38. And you have a massive drop in power when you reach 30% battery life, so it's only really fun and engaging for about half your ride. I personally really like the look of the integrated headlight vs bikes with the "strap on". And I also like the robust subframe. I definitely like that you can swap the battery to the new 72v without issues with the controller, but you can't use the external charging port or the 60v charger (from what I have heard). Overall, it's a solid option if you find one new for under $4k (like I did), but at the msrp of $5k, it's probably not the most compelling option.
Yes. 2 bolts on each side. They have discussed making a full frame piece or welding the frames together where the bolts are. We will have to see what they do in the future
The frame has a lot of engineering work behind it in order for it to work the way that it does. The Main frame Z's are 2 pieces that are interlocked together and then welded. The two bolts are for aesthetic. Super complex chassis design that looks simple on the outside, but how everything goes together allows it all to work. It's good to show that they are thinking and working outside of the box, not easy to innovate!
AAA review, thanks for the efforts. I agree with your assessment. Talaria needs 72v with the same form factor. The ultimate ebike is already here, 2023 Stark Varg, but price at 13k. lol
enjoyed your thoughts on the bike design. I agree, I ride my Surron for trail/road/commute, as you said, the front forks don't seem like they can handle a motocross jump.
@@Talariaboys so you have an electric dirtbike but you need gas to charge it 🤦♂️ idk hopefully in the future these batteries and tech will get to where they last a whole day 👍 or maybe have extra battery packs like my rc losi promoto mx i just picked up😁
Guys I love how much work you're putting into your channel. Great content editing and sound. Hope to see you in Hollywood one of these days for one of our group rides. 😎
That is something we couldn't test in this video but hopefully someday we can test, My guess is that the Sting R will still be a little better range wise
Talaria Boys, please help. My talaria sting r mx4 is clicking everytime i wheelie it or full throttle it quickly, something in or near the gear box makes a click noise
I calculated that I need about 125 miles of range the way I live on the country side and need to get into the city and back home. What e bike should I look into if I need that range? thanks for a great channel!
That’s a tall order. I’m not sure of any e-moto that could do that sort of range. I would look into some pedal assist bikes. Some of them can go really far
I see... I really dislike pedals.. I want something as close as possible to a dirt bike or supermoto, but electric like the Talaria xxx... but I am ok to carry an extra battery if it can be connected to the bike on some rails or similar? what do you think is it too heavy to carry an extra battery on the bike?@@Talariaboys
oh my.. ha ha.. nooo, I do not wanna do that either.. ok, but is I correct that a new battery came out now for the Talaria xXx?.. and , if you drove let's say on an average speed of 40 miles an hour for how many hours or minutes would you be bale to keep driving non-stop if not much of an latitude in your area? more or less flat... thanks for getting back! @@barryhallsack8852
Would you guys recommend the talaria sting r mx4 still for best buy to start out buying? or wait for new one coming out? I've never even ridden one lol was curious
That bump is in such an odd position looks unridable (at least comfortably) plus that suspension bottomed out at every little hump looks pretty good other than that
50mph is slow for a 72v. they are slacking. Not saying people should be going much faster but 50mph isnt much to talk about when a 2019 surron LBX can nearly do the same thing on a 60v stock battery.
Almost gave up ( insert alcohol / meth / crack cocane reference here ) after watching a video not blowing sunshine up the ass of the guys who paid for your trip . But I'd buy one ... Gunna do something un - Australian and subscribe too , well done sirs !
Great video guys! Seems like Rawrr will be worth keeping an eye on in the future as they continue to innovate and improve. Quick question, would you guys recommend the Sting R or surron Ultrabee for me where I'd likely be riding 85% desert trail use, 15% mixed street/urban use?
There’s nothing like the ultra bee! on desert trails it would be so much fun. If your not worried about looking like a dirt bike on the street I would get the ultra bee.
I have aquestion for you guys, not related to this video, but you are my go-to for anything Talaria related. First of all, nice video, this bike looks sick. Im wondering, on my Talaria Sting R Mx4, how much torque does the rear wheel axle nut need, how do i know what torque my power torque wrench has? Im just scared im either screwing the nut back too tight and ill damage it or not enough and its unsafe. Any advice is greatly appreciated, recently had to deal with changing my first flat, was not easy but its done now, im just worried about the axle nut bolt.
Sorry for such a slow reply, we have been trying to catch up on so many comments! We don't know the torque spec but just tighten it pretty tight and we haven't ever had one come loose.
I’ll keep using my mx4 for trails and enduro and the gas dirtbike for the track
I wear vans and shorts everyday riding mine and have never felt any heat coming off the motor lol
So the MX4 is lighter, better suspension, just as powerful, and imo looks way better AND is 500$ cheaper.. I think i made the right choice getting an mx4
No the 72 volt is way stronger the new 9500w goes 54mph and suspension on a talaria is like a mountain bike suspension
Did you cut of the wire
@@KevinValladares-o9j you are flat out wrong, the MX4 has way nicer forks and shocks than the mantis and my talaria mx4 goes 55 mph easily on flat road.
@@twall4381 stock doesn’t even hit pass 50mph 😂😂😂
All the specs aside, when form over function is the question, I will pick a talaria sting or surron over the mantis all day long! It is just an ugly bike! Exceptional review guys! Keep up the good work!
Great video, review. I love the Mantis.
Great video and a cool bike. Ive been riding motocross since I was 5 and would hands down prefer a modded mx4 or modded sur ron light bee over this. Just the overall design with not the best suspension and the fact it has no dedicated rear suspension linkage which is an absolute MUST for any real motocross-oriented bike, this makes it a massive dealbreaker for anyone serious about jumping. I've jumped my light bee over 65 feet but would never feel comfortable doing that on this bike over a mx3/mx4 or sur ron
Are the foot pegs directly on the frame? So if you do eventually end up dropping it is it possible it’ll end up bending/damaging the frame?
Yes
Buc ees hat. 🔥
Totally agree about the position of the seat bump, sliding forward into it, you feel like you are out in front of the front wheel, not over it. Never once had an issue with the motor bolts or subframe and I ride in sneakers, not boots. I am just cruising small neighborhood trails, not trying to race it. Mine is the 60v gen 2 version, and it's truly awful how just how inaccurate the speedo and range are compared to the marketing stats. I never got the impression from the marketing that this is meant to be a track bike, or anything different than the other small e-motos, it's just a different look and feel than the others. 18-20 mile range at the top end, when mashing in sport mode the whole time, and my phone gps speedo put top speed at like 38. And you have a massive drop in power when you reach 30% battery life, so it's only really fun and engaging for about half your ride. I personally really like the look of the integrated headlight vs bikes with the "strap on". And I also like the robust subframe. I definitely like that you can swap the battery to the new 72v without issues with the controller, but you can't use the external charging port or the 60v charger (from what I have heard). Overall, it's a solid option if you find one new for under $4k (like I did), but at the msrp of $5k, it's probably not the most compelling option.
Oh man this one looks so damn good. I hope one day it'll be available outside of the US.
Unbiased reviews huh don’t ever change
It’s what we need m. Thanks talaria boys
Great info I was thinking about getting the new rawr but I think I'll stick with the sting r Thanks again ebro
Ya get a Sting instead
I love the honesty!! 👍 👍
Thanks!
12:42 Is that frame bolted together in 2 pieces?
Yes. 2 bolts on each side. They have discussed making a full frame piece or welding the frames together where the bolts are. We will have to see what they do in the future
The frame has a lot of engineering work behind it in order for it to work the way that it does. The Main frame Z's are 2 pieces that are interlocked together and then welded. The two bolts are for aesthetic. Super complex chassis design that looks simple on the outside, but how everything goes together allows it all to work. It's good to show that they are thinking and working outside of the box, not easy to innovate!
AAA review, thanks for the efforts. I agree with your assessment. Talaria needs 72v with the same form factor. The ultimate ebike is already here, 2023 Stark Varg, but price at 13k. lol
15k by the time it gets to your door.
enjoyed your thoughts on the bike design.
I agree, I ride my Surron for trail/road/commute, as you said, the front forks don't seem like they can handle a motocross jump.
When youre out at the desert riding how do you recharge it?
We use a little 2000watt gas generator and can charge 2 bikes at once on it when camping.
@@Talariaboys so you have an electric dirtbike but you need gas to charge it 🤦♂️ idk hopefully in the future these batteries and tech will get to where they last a whole day 👍 or maybe have extra battery packs like my rc losi promoto mx i just picked up😁
Thanks for the review guys!
Surron have an app you can do things with for the ultra bees? And im pretty sure you can use the new lbx’s with the app aswell?
Hello, Any chance you could review the newest (Just came out) Rawrr Mantis.
Maybe
Is the Street legal version the new bike your talking about from rawr talked to some people at electrify good but needs work
Great review boys! I'm still really happy that I bought the Sting r 😎
Thanks!
Seems like the 72v is a bit of a marketing gimmic... Weird that's what it took to get it to match the 60v of the other bikes
Nice video guys! It’s cool to see y’alls channel grow.
Guys I love how much work you're putting into your channel. Great content editing and sound. Hope to see you in Hollywood one of these days for one of our group rides. 😎
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How about range. Does the Sting R have better or worse range than this 72v Rawrr?
That is something we couldn't test in this video but hopefully someday we can test, My guess is that the Sting R will still be a little better range wise
Riiiiiight 😂😂😂
That place looks bad ass. I wish we had a place like that in SWFL... I would've went w/ an MX4 instead of an XXX.. but all I got is streets down here.
I love how honest you guys are keep it coming
Nice jobs 👌 👍
We will!
Talaria Boys, please help. My talaria sting r mx4 is clicking everytime i wheelie it or full throttle it quickly, something in or near the gear box makes a click noise
Did you cut of the wire
It doesn't have a wire to cut, its full speed out of the box.
@@Talariaboys the new on goes 54mph
Haha the videos are increasing in quality for sure!
I calculated that I need about 125 miles of range the way I live on the country side and need to get into the city and back home. What e bike should I look into if I need that range? thanks for a great channel!
That’s a tall order. I’m not sure of any e-moto that could do that sort of range. I would look into some pedal assist bikes. Some of them can go really far
I see... I really dislike pedals.. I want something as close as possible to a dirt bike or supermoto, but electric like the Talaria xxx... but I am ok to carry an extra battery if it can be connected to the bike on some rails or similar? what do you think is it too heavy to carry an extra battery on the bike?@@Talariaboys
@@SimplicityForGoodThe batteries are pretty heavy I definitely would not want to carry one 😂 between 40 and 50 lb
oh my.. ha ha.. nooo, I do not wanna do that either.. ok, but is I correct that a new battery came out now for the Talaria xXx?..
and , if you drove let's say on an average speed of 40 miles an hour for how many hours or minutes would you be bale to keep driving non-stop if not much of an latitude in your area? more or less flat... thanks for getting back! @@barryhallsack8852
Yea you’re gonna have to get a gas bike
Thanks for the vid!
Well played fellers 👍
What do you use for your helmet set up camera and mic set up. I really like the way your videos are in quality and sound
We have some of our gear in the description of the video
does the supermoto 12 inch wheels fit on Talaria MX4?
Yep!
Fire channel keep in up
Thanks!
Would you guys recommend the talaria sting r mx4 still for best buy to start out buying?
or wait for new one coming out?
I've never even ridden one lol was curious
If you plan on riding on the road 100% Surron ultra I’ve owned Surron light bee,ultra,and have ridden a talaria
Yes Talaria Sting R
Wow you guys go straight up the mountain and come down the other side you guys are unstoppable, body armor please
Dope video you guys! They have a nice facility and the course is a nice touch🔥
That bump is in such an odd position looks unridable (at least comfortably) plus that suspension bottomed out at every little hump looks pretty good other than that
50mph is slow for a 72v. they are slacking. Not saying people should be going much faster but 50mph isnt much to talk about when a 2019 surron LBX can nearly do the same thing on a 60v stock battery.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👌🏾✅️ I totally agree with everything you said 👌🏾
Appreciate you watching!
honest !! Please stay honest as you guys become more popular !!
We always will!💪
Almost gave up ( insert alcohol / meth / crack cocane reference here ) after watching a video not blowing sunshine up the ass of the guys who paid for your trip .
But I'd buy one ...
Gunna do something un - Australian and subscribe too , well done sirs !
Great video guys! Seems like Rawrr will be worth keeping an eye on in the future as they continue to innovate and improve.
Quick question, would you guys recommend the Sting R or surron Ultrabee for me where I'd likely be riding 85% desert trail use, 15% mixed street/urban use?
There’s nothing like the ultra bee! on desert trails it would be so much fun. If your not worried about looking like a dirt bike on the street I would get the ultra bee.
Nothing beats the sting R in price tho🤷
@@Talariaboys it's a tough call! I may just have to flip a coin haha
Really enjoying the content, looking forward to more videos!
You guys should donate a Talaria 🥺
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YUUUUUP
stupid design, no swing arm linkage , heavy, poor forks... you will die on the tracks
The rear suspension looks to be mediocre. The bump in the seat looks so touring bike, jus no!
Totally lame how you did not show us a complete lap just broken up clips
Lol
You guys gotta change your name to the mantis boys now no more talaria
The Mantis looks goofy.
The mx4 forks are ass so if they are worse that’s sad
Hah the mx4 forks are the best and strongest forks that come on a stock e-bike. There must be something wrong with the ones you tried
After all this cookies what you get from this company, it is no way you wcan say anything bad about this bike😂
Hah we keep it real on this channel. There’s a few good things about this bike and a few bad things. We go over everything in the video👍
@@Talariaboys yep, i put my comment on the beginning of video... Now i can see honest opinion about some cons... Great job guys!
I have aquestion for you guys, not related to this video, but you are my go-to for anything Talaria related. First of all, nice video, this bike looks sick.
Im wondering, on my Talaria Sting R Mx4, how much torque does the rear wheel axle nut need, how do i know what torque my power torque wrench has? Im just scared im either screwing the nut back too tight and ill damage it or not enough and its unsafe. Any advice is greatly appreciated, recently had to deal with changing my first flat, was not easy but its done now, im just worried about the axle nut bolt.
Sorry for such a slow reply, we have been trying to catch up on so many comments! We don't know the torque spec but just tighten it pretty tight and we haven't ever had one come loose.
I would like to see them make a ON road version and make it lighter and stealthier 🥷. Take the fenders off add some super motos .
That would be sick
@@Talariaboys 🙏🏾😎