Hope y'all enjoyed the video, another one is dropping next week. Btw even if any of you wanna be contrarian for the sake of being one and say that beginning of Time Acceleration Pucci isn't faster than GER, there's nothing stopping him from running away, then coming back with even higher speed to blitz and one shot lol
@courtneylimleehoo5025 MiH is super fast in the beginning when he was fighting Emporio. Also his reaction speed is also fast too. That's why he can dodge a bullet. Also even though he used tree to make him faster, he still goes around Jotaro and that is his own speed because the tree only makes him go forward to them since Pucci can't climb the building.
Nice video, one small issue. RTZ REVERSES THE WILLPOWER OF THE USER TO 0 AS WELL! Which is the reason why Diavolo didnt attack! Cause with your logic of MIH speed blitzing after RTZ, Diavolo could have Time skipped after RTZ.
@@toddsimmons6452 After getting RTZ Diavolo immediately broke out of GER's barrage and tried hitting GER but then got RTZ'd again. So it clearly doesn't return will power to zero. Which now I wanna find out what it meant by "will". Bc it doesn't do actual will power.
Man, I remember arguing with people about GER and I always brought up Diavolo’s ability not even really being time manipulation which is a big detractor for GER’s power among other things so I’m glad to see more people start to see it the same way. I still really like the stand though lmao.
@@thelettucebarrel7784 buddy, u just said erasing time isn't time manipulation. i dont think anyone has to even argue with u after looking at that crazy statement
Far too many people forget that RTZ is purely a defensive ability. GER can't activate it unless it notices a direct attack coming at Giorno, and that's the main flaw with it's ability when Giorno would be up against a stand with literally *IMMEASUREABLE* speed.
Not even close. RTZ is automatic, if it wasn’t then how would he have noticed king crimsons attack with blood in his eyes. Also a data book that released after part 6 states that GER is the fastest stand
If it has to notice an attack hitting giorno to activate then why did everyone else on the planet with that attack get reset as well? Imagine GER just witnessing a leaf falling in the distance and decided to reset it, wouldn't everything that happen while that leave was falling get reset as well? Including Diavolo?
@@averyburton8852The thing is that it undid Diavolo's attack to the point he began plotting his attack against GER, his ability says that it reduces the adversary's action and will to zero
I've been waiting for this, Definitely worth the wait. I just love finally knowing I was right, Can't begin to tell you how many people have called me crazy for saying MIH simply blitzes and RTZ wouldn't even activate. Great vid man, Saw the short to, Keep up the good work
Yeah, GER was kinda overhyped ever since his debut, but like I noticed that with every other overpowered stands from part 5 and beyond they seemed to have fine prints with their ability descriptions. Meaning there IS a way to "bypass" these abilities or at least small opening to their powers. I'm gonna list a few and correct me if I'm wrong. 1. GER - Return to Zero passively activates whenever an attack is detected. Key words, "passive" and "detected." It's a purely defensive ability and even the user is unaware of the activation. RTZ only activated when Diavolo EXITED time erasure and ATTACKED leaving him to be detected by GER. The limitations unless proven wrong is that GER has no precognition like Epitaph so any attacks that are very fast like faster than Star Platinum and Silver Chariot, can leave little to no time for GER to react for RTZ to work. 2. King Crimson - Time Erasure consumes the user's stamina and the user cannot attack DURING the erasure only before and after. Also, in my opinion, KC was considered op is mostly due to Epitaph. 3. D4C Love Train - Light Barrier same case as GER's RTZ and King Crimson's Time Erasure. Ultimate defense but the user can't attack so they're basically turtle shelling. 4. Tusk Act 4 - Infinite Spin takes too much of a setup to actually work. The amount of precision and prep you need to even manifest Act 4 is too much of a pain. 5. Soft and Wet Go Beyond - Logic Defying Bubble. NGL, it's the GO BEYOND bubble attack that is overpowered no Soft and Wet himself. Conclusion: I am in no means downplaying these stands, they are busted in they're own right and I understand the hype behind them but when you look at their powers the reason for these hypes is because of how they were shown in their respective stories. GER, Tusk Act 4, and Soft and Wet GO BEYOND are overpowered because they countered an overpowered opponent. I also noticed that most of the overpowered stand abilities are their defensive abilities like GER, King Crimson, D4C Love Train, and Wonder of U. Now why is Made in Heaven OP? Because there was no stand to challenge his power. There was no counter and the reason MIH lost is because he was outsmarted. Also, I did say "bypass" but that's with quotation marks meaning it's not impossible but it's gonna be difficult and complicated meaning in a stand battle you're mostly gonna have a really bad time.
@@averageinternettrolltaro could have in no way defeated made in heaven. Only way he had a chance was due to anasui. He was getting blitzed left and right
@@dennist8290Jotaro was saved/heavily aided by Anasui thrice during the MiH fight, had Anasui not been there, Jotaro would’ve gotten blitzed before the fight really even began
Ger gotta be the most misunderstood stand. Everybody saying it wins against time stop because it countered diavolo. I don’t knowing everyone forgets but diavolo had to get out of his ability to hit him so he just waited.
I mean if time stop is activated to specifically bring harm to Giorno how couldn't GER stop it? We don't even know the full extent of GER abilities or it's speed or power
Wdym he waited? He reversed KCs timeskip, something that giorno could not perceive. And superspeed is something that the part 6 cast PERCEIVED as it was happening. So GER could counter Pucci if the latter was attacking Giorno
@@thisIs_REQUIEM that's true but it's still a cool stand if you ignore it's fanbase, it indeed is overrated but if it was in more parts after 5 it could of solved every situation
It’s perfect, because thats the same reason Jotaro’s stand was considered the best. Araki considered part 3 to be a western, some dialogue in part 3 even signifies this. It’s all about who has the fastest gun in the west, and until made in heaven, Jotaro was that gunslinger.
It's a bit sad to see our favorite mafia boy lose his big op Chad status but it's for the better since misinformation is a bitch, believe me as a Godzilla fan I have plenty of experience in that😅.
6:42 idk about you but my interpretation of diavalos stand is that he erases himself from time for 10 seconds that’s the only why I’ve been able to explain to myself why does bullets went through him in the Metallica fight
Bigger question, if TA4 hits Pucchi and the infinite rotation begins, could pucchi just accelerate time to infinity and cancel out the infinity on his body? And what about the Golden ratio? If I stand corrected, it still tracks things on water, and would Johnny be affected by the universal reset if he's in his personal dimension? So many questions and NO ONE has talked about this.
If Johnny gets a shot off on Pucci, Pucci dies. Pucci's biggest advantage over Johnny is how much faster he is. But if a shot from Act 4 hits, Pucci can't just get rid of it by accelerating time, because it would essentially be Pucci accelerating the rate at which the infinite spin tears him apart, just like weather report's pure oxygen.
Yeah it's kind of messed up I was talking to some guy on discord and he said that stands aren't souls or spirits and he also said that GER when he punches an opponent he puts them in a dimension and then they die in that dimension and I'm like no he has to die or be at near death to be put in death loop
And also I think that stands our souls in this connects with my debate with Aizen and giorno And I think stands that are sentient can be put under hypnosis
I swear I've never been gaslighted like this since I entered Jobbers and Goons comment section and I thought Milk man Superman was the ULTIMATE supreme being in DC only to learn bro got folded by a regular ass wonder woman and a regular ass swamp thing , dude I was sold a lie by the entire internet...
I don't really think Giorno needs to physically hit the opponent for RtZ to work, the statement probrably meas being struck by the hax, like anyone caught in time stop. Everything else is pure FAX in my opinion
@@christopherchocolate69420 This is luteraly GER with every single disadvantage, Its like 5th behind SAW, WOU, D4C, MIH and possibly behind the world and star plat
Can’t wait to go back through your channel and watch your videos! I love stone ocean especially and your perspective on Jojo is what I feel this community needs. I’m pissed RUclips has kept this channel hidden from me for so long.
@@AbhinavSrivastava11 Incredible powerfull stand...only in you can get the golden rotation in a horse or steel ball, incredibly difficult to deploy against enemies with long range or time manipulators.
Ultimate Kars vs all JoJo villains? He’s pretty OP considering how he scales above Young Joseph, and it would be interesting to see him go up against stand users.
@@mult1versal Kars can just fly high in the sky and it wouldn’t get to him, if jotaro can figure out that it follows heat then Kars can to although he wouldn’t be able to see it
GER just ain’t that strong, I recommend watching my very informative “Why GER ISN’T As You Think” video, people have also been faking GER scans to make people think he’s strong
@@JobberGodot but that’s the thing you’re just using your own speculation you could literally walking around the other way an equal you also like to bring up how Orok he changes his mind a lot, but the thing is those are still statements made by him. It’s the literal fucking creator, saying that it’s just not right and inconsistent is like saying the sky is green because I said it’s just factually wrong
Ive said this once ill say it again, it truly depends if GER truly resets something to zero, example being Points A, B and C test. For example, everyone can agree if something started at Point A, tried to get to Point B then in the middle of it GER uses its ability, we can all agree it will always restart at Point A. However, if something starts at Point A, passes Point B and goes to Point C, and in getting to Point C GER activates, does it restart at Point A or only restarts to Point B, since the action of going from Point A to Point B has occured? If its the former, then GER is truly broken. But if its the latter, then GER is limited by what is considered a "full action". Is a full action measured by a series of small actions or is it defined by the overall goal? Consider running a lap. If a person runs a full lap and needs to step over the finish line to complete it, during which GER activates, does the person restart to their last step or begin at the start of the lap? Not many people can truly answer this because GER really doesnt answer this question, nor Araki in anime or manga.
all this time i thought rtz was a automatic and completely passive ability which caused me to give up trying to glaze made in heaven over it, but as soon as i saw in this video that it had limited range ALL of its hype left my body
This fight depends on how much time has passed since pucci obtained mih. If the fight starts like 30 seconds after time accelleration begun, pucci wouldn't have enough speed to surpass ger yet. If about 5 minutes had passed since then and Pucci had the same speed with which he blitzed jotaro the first time, i bet Ger's reaction speed would be still enough. If time accelleration continued even more then yeah...about 15 to 30 minutes into mih's activation, pucci would probably become too much for Giorno. But the problem is this with pucci: he appears to be too fast for the stands' reaction speeds to tell which afterimage is him but he still seems to be slower than the stands' actual speed. Because, first, Diver down was able to pick up jotaro and save him before pucci could react to it and maybe jump to hit jotaro's legs. Secondly, Pucci never blitzed SP directly, he feared and always tried to stay outside of Jotaro's range, always attacked Jotaro himself, not his stand, and always went around SP' attacks. If Pucci was at least 5 times faster than Star Platinum, he would just dogde every oraora punch one by one and go through the barrage to hit SP or Jotaro. Even when Jotaro was about to hit him after his final time stop ended, when pucci was even faster than before, Pucci still made sure to exit Jotaro's range and said that Jotaro was two steps behind from reaching and killing him. This means that Jotaro having Pucci inside his range in real time would still be deadly for the latter. Thirdly, when Stone free surprise-attacked Pucci, he was still afraid of Jolyne's barrage and then barely dodged. He had to jump straight up in the air to dodge actually. Stone free was able to predict that and had also enough speed to throw the knife right after her barrage ended and hit the priest before he could escape his mid air position. This proves SF is trouble for MIH (about 10 minutes into the fight). And remember this: Stone free is the only person in the group (apart from emporio) with B in her speed, while the others have A's. In other, simpler words: THE GROUP'S SLOWEST STAND WAS ABLE TO MAKE AN OFF GUARDED PUCCI AFRAID AND INCAPLE OF FIGHTING BACK (while in her range), 10 MINUTES INTO THE FIGHT, WHEN PUCCI WAS EVEN FASTER THAN BEFORE. (of course, about 1 minute later, after Jolyne left emporio with the dolphin, Pucci had finally gained enough speed to surpass Stone Free) The thing is that Pucci doesn't seem to be faster than stands for the majority of the fight. His most dangerous aspect is that he leaves afterimages behind, making it hard to figure his exact position and thus difficult to get him inside others' stand attack range. my theory is that pucci isn't at light speed (until killing Jolyne), he is at "time speed", and time is faster than light. This is why a rock simply falling, only about 3 minutes into the time accelleration, is invisible to even Anasui's eyes. The time dialation, or the difference between people's and Pucci's perception of time, is the real problem. After all that...I believe Pucci would need to wait about 30 minutes to finally overcome Ger's reaction speed, because 1) Pucci isn't faster than stands before that and 2) even Jotaro was able to tell he's being cut by Pucci's attack (remember there was enough time between Jotaro's face getting sliced and him 100% dying, for Jolyne to talk to him and Jotaro to respond, and don't act as if this only happened in the anime). Giorno wouldn't die otherwise. But would Giorno be able to HIT or kill a fast moving Pucci? If his light beams are not stand energy, meaning they don't become slower like how erme's stickers were, then, yeah, if he creates and sends to Pucci like a Lion or a bear and Pucci doesn't know how they work and goes for the kill, yeah. If giorno creates thousands of warms or small and vulnerable insects and places them 20 meters around him, and then Pucci inevitably steps on one and kills it, yeah. If Giorno creates an armor like suit made of bees, which Pucci would need to kill to reach Giorno, yeah. There are many smart and creative ways for giorno to kill him without using RTZ. Jojo is bizzare for a reason
i just figured...IF GIORNO CREATES AND GETS ON A TREE TO EVADE PUCCI (like he did against koichi) AND PUCCI SLICES THE TREE, PUCCI'S LEGS ARE CUT OF lol
I respectfully disagree with everything you’ve said, and believe it to be wrong. That’s all I’ll say cause I don’t feel like trading essays tbh, agree to disagree 🤷🏽♂️
@@JobberGodot understandable. Many of my statements contradict what most people, including you, think of Pucci and his speed. I just wanted to know if you agree. Can you at least tell me if you believe life creation and damage reflection would do anything to Pucci?
@@JobberGodot Jotaro's group was still able to see Pucci moving (when they were in the air flying away using Ermes's stickers, they were watching Pucci following them below and commenting on it). Let's say Giorno and Pucci are 200 meters apart. If Giorno saw Pucci approaching from 100 meters away, immediately created a tall tree and stayed on top of it until Pucci hit it, why wouldn't that work?
Ger's ability is automatic? The ability would activate before Pucci would even touch Giorno. As shown in Diavolo's time skip, Giorno activated this ability UNCONSCIOUS. And also the wiki states the Ger is an automatic Stand.
Gold Experience Requiem can win, because it doesn't need to hit or touch to activate Return to Zero. So even if Pucci uses Made In Heaven, GER uses RtZ to negate its effect. Golden Experience Requiem wins because the Reverse to Zero is actually a passive/defensive technique, which creates a counterattack.
That and king crimson breaks causality, he keeps the cause and erases the effects. He erased the effect of him getting shot by Aerosmith but it doesn't effect the fact the Aerosmith shot at all, he erased results of action. In that time closes the gap of things being removed from it.
Thanks for releasing this. I absolutely hate GER with everything that I have. Not because of the people that ride it, but because how much of an unexplained mcguffin it was at the end of the part. And because of that, everyone just views GER as the end all be all to debates. That begs the question to me though, would Tusk Act 4 still lose to it?
The thing is is that nobody really knows full extent to his powers so your scaling is kind of a relevant, but from what we’ve seen honestly, you can interpret timeskip or Time skip/erase in any direction your point of you just so happens to be different
@@JobberGodot I personally feel like it could go either way depending on how the fight starts but ger has all of regular gold experience abilities but amplified right?
The fact that Giorno was heavily implied, basically outright stated to be in Florida at the time, him seeing the world accelerating around him and obviously being smart enough to deduce it as a stand ability, and get GER not RtZ negging whatever was going on around him says all that we need to know Either A.) RtZ didn’t activate because Pucci’s ability didn’t register as an attack on Giorno or B.) MiH’s ability is too powerful for GER to simply RtZ away, the result is the same In a direct conflict, the idea that GER has to hit the target first in order to RtZ and Death Loop it is interesting which means Pucci wouldn’t get touched unless we argue GER is faster, which I wouldn’t necessarily be against. But if Pucci doesn’t ‘attack’ then Giorno has no way to win
I always wondered with how King Crimson erases specifically the perception of time. Would Diavolo have the privilege of seeing a Doctor Who Weeping Angel’s true form? Since Weeping Angels even tap into specifically perceived time, it’s why they likely wouldn’t be seen during a Dio/Jotaro time stop as they’d be witnessing perceived time Weeping Angels.
No epitaph only shows the result not the steps that get up to it meaning if diavolo used time erase plus epitaph and jotaro time stopped he would only see himself getting hit not anything in between. Even with none time related stands if diavolo again activated time erase + epitaph he would only see c moon inverting his body not the steps that lead up to that point.
@@corrinflakes9659no Diavolo doesn’t skip the “perception of time” Diavolo skips over time in general it’s clearly shown that time itself is being skipped
On GER's stats: Jober Godot suggested that the stat screen regarding GER is actually referring to the ability but chose the worse (and I am assuming only, but may be incorrect) examples to demonstrate, Sky High, which is a stand that yes, has a physical manifestation, but is not used for physical attacks, the appearance of said stand is merely for aesthetic purposes. Up next is Burning Down the House, which is an even worse example, as unlike Sky High, it quite literally never gets manifested, it is solely an ability stand, so there are no "physical" stats to measure, since it does not hold physical form. While you could say that the "perfect stand" is referring to ability, that means that the example provided would be perfect, but no, they chose Star Platinum, which was destroyed by Sheer Heart Attack, tricked by White Snake, susceptible to change via C-Moon, etc... If Star Platinum were the PERFECT stand, then none of the above could ever happen, since no imperfections could be there, because, it is the perfect stand, no?
Btw, I’ll respond to this in a video dedicated to comments like this, also if you haven’t, I have an entire GER video you can watch if you haven’t already
I actually had this debate with somebody and that fool actually had the nerve to tell me that GER has infinite stats and that MiH does not have infinite speed
@@joegun4259 Same here. Nothing the guy said to me was logical. He even said "GER has infinite stats. You can see it on its statsheet." When I pointed out that all of its stats literally say null he brought up some GER wank vid that was just as wrong as him.
Its not true that ger can only reverse direct attacks on giorno. Diavolos infinite death loop happens because diavolo is fated to die and ger reverses it so if it could reverse diavolos death it could definetely reverse mih’s time speeding
It all depends on how time acceleration and RTZ react to it each other, for instance time acceleration is capable of speeding up time stop briefly and even makes it come out faster (?), so if that is the case would it cause RTZ to start working faster or make its effects aka returning things to their original state faster? another thing that isn't addressed if is RTZ is a spammable ability or not.
Kinda already went over how Time Acceleration and RTZ would interact in the video, either Time Acceleration negs the first use of RTZ or equaling the Hax potency out, RTZ works, with MiH Pucci eventually speed blitzing and one shotting. Also RTZ working faster is an assumption with no evidence, and RTZ isn’t a spammable ability in a fight from what’s been visually presented and stated in Part 5 and guides
@@JobberGodot Yes exactly, there's no visual evidence or statements to truly know how the fight would play out either because RTZ was only used once and it's hard to know if it'd negate time acceleration back to zero or not, we don't know if it can be spammed or not either, I'm being rhetorical here, and I'm not saying it would speed up RTZ's effects, I was basing it off how it quite literally made time stop not just come out faster, but it also shortened it briefly so if it did the same to RTZ would it be that surprising? anyway there's just no way to fully determine a winner, but if we went off what we've been seen/told MIH would probably speed blitz GER before it could activate presumably.
Not even started this yet but wouldn't it go like this: Mih arracks Ger revert to 0s the attack and swings at mih Mih dodges easily (because diavolo flinched before getting hit by ger so he aint frozen) Keeps going till ger time runs out or universe reset Then mih kills normal golden experience
@@toddsimmons6452hat's not what the one who commented this was talking about. After the universe resets, the commenter said Pucci would go kill Giorno BEFORE he achieved requiem in the new timeline. Still flawed tho as those who survive into the new TL still seem to understand what's going on. Iirc, Emporio still had WR's stand disc. Which means that even if the characters are forced back to WHERE they were, they aren't forced back to HOW they were.
@@Zexceeda Hold up. That doesn't make any sense. If that was the case then emporio wouldn't have the WR disc to begin with! Because in the new universe pucci didnt even know about wr until way later. So this headcannon doesn't make any sense. GER wouldn't revert to GE in the new universe. And even then wouldn't MIH revert to WS if this was the case, considering Green Baby wasn't born at that time either.
Finally someone who agrees with MIH soloing GER, altho I agree with this my main reason was always cause what will ger do when made in heavens time acceleration hits the singularity point and collapses the universe?
Overall really good points made in this video I still believe that GER could beat Made in Heaven but it's not for any stats or time control reasons but because I think if GER could find some way to apply it's ability to Made in Heaven then it would be able to reverse it back to C Moon and then Whitesnake and then nothing but I will admit to in order to get up close to him he would have to find some way to either catch mid movement or slow him down so
I still disagree, but still a good video. Question. *Let's say RT0 works on MIH* Can it be used multiple times in your opinion. Like if Pucci was reverted to the point before he moved, and then he tried to move again and gets reverted, could GER just approach Pucci while spam reverting MIH. Eventually speed would become a nonissue for GER if Pucci isn't leaving his own spot. Again, going off the idea RT0 does work.
To answer your question, no. Because GER and RTZ would get blitzed then after because I allowed the scenario for MiH Pucci to be off guarded or not taking the fight seriously to happen in the first place, after that it’s free game
@@JobberGodot umm, Giorno had to be told by golden experience what happened in the fist place? Ger activated RT0, not Giorno so how would blitzing him help. also if MIH acceleration could be made immeasurable instantly then why didnt pucci just try that the sec he done with crusaders? he had to actually slowly accelerate time to get to universe reset so he litterally cant have inf speed
You keep talking about people making assumptions, and here you are assuming GER will stand still and let a random enemys stand attack him, he stood by because he knew all of divalos ability, GER isn't overhyped, if he got more pannels to show his powers i promise he'd give wonder of U for his money.
@kwnl-gappy-4-balls Bringing up a random character is why goku's verse gets slammed by Game Sonics' weakest form. All I see in Dragon Ball are rimura victims.
@infertrap bro is coping so hard just accept that ger isn't even top 3 stands in jojo and that soft and wet go beyond beats the shit out of ger Ger is tusk Act 4, goku, WoU, d4cLT, star platinum and soft and wet vitcm
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls ger barly got any panels, soft and wet got a whole dame part, ger only has a few pages, the fact that people just outwrite say "return to zero" won't work on him since he's so overpowered is bias and makes no sense, he defiantly gets slammed as he his know but people seem to be forgetting how little we saw or understand about GER
@@error-4269 I'm not trolling, and if you don't like the type of current content or opinions on this channel, you are both free to go watch some other copy and paste JoJo vs video/channel
Part 7 spoliers Timestop is probably the most broken power as even the infinite rotation of act 4 could not move in all 5 seconds so Ger can't revert Timestop to zero as MiH was still stopped as well.
honestly a lot of these explanations and scaling points that I'm seeing in this video feel out of context at best, like i can only take your word at the Japanese guides and everything claiming that it GER being the "ultimate stand" is only referring to RTZ alone I know you mention stuff like jojo go go and such but i feel like we ain't getting the full context or picture. the arguments you made for pucci are solid but i'm not seeing the same energy for giorno
Sorry if you feel that way, I highly recommend you watch my GER video if you don’t believe I bring enough context with GER’s Sparknotes provided in this video
Exactly so what if GER just chose another action to reset that wasn't Diavolo's but Diavolo would've gotten reset anyway and hence the same opening? Does the action have to happen to GER specifically?
Ger is by definition an unbeatable stand everything has a truth of fate Ger controls that fate however so unless you do not have a fate Ger will always beat you we see this in the diavolo fight Ger chose diavolos fate
I dont think you have a video on it so I would like to ask: is there a site where I could learn how Joker beats the jojo verse? I know SMT's cosmology scales higher but I don't know all of the details about it, I got myself in an argument 😅.
Let's be real here. Pucci is not more durable then DIO. Pucci survived Jotaro's punch with pure plot armor. If you watch or read Part 6, Pucci has more Plotarmor then King or Mr. Satan.
Huh… you realize to pucci everything is moving normally meaning he would be able to easily see those animals and react accordingly. Vitals are not even the only way to die bleeding out is still a factor.
This fight is so one sided that its funny. Its true that MIH is faster and probably stronger than GER, But to win, Pucci would have to Kill giorno. But, here's the problem: Pucci wouldn't even touch Giorno, Becouse of return to zero. GER would revert every attack made by pucci In the end, Pucci gets complety destroyed by Giorno
Jobber godot in another video of debunking the fraude tgat peapole know are GER Mr godot how you feel after doing a big mission and cauth one of the biggest fraud in jojo ?
@@severia24 ATTACK POTENCY refers to how many tons of force someone/something can output when attacking. Just because you didn't see Jotaro Dragon Ball Z away an entire City doesn't mean he doesn't have City Level AP. What you're confused about is Destructive Capacity, which is basically the AOE of an attack. So for an example, if a character is stated to hit as hard as a nuclear bomb, but doesn't cause as much destruction as a nuke would, that would be their attack potency. That's the best I can explain it, but you can just choose to ignore this and pretend you never read it.
Hope y'all enjoyed the video, another one is dropping next week. Btw even if any of you wanna be contrarian for the sake of being one and say that beginning of Time Acceleration Pucci isn't faster than GER, there's nothing stopping him from running away, then coming back with even higher speed to blitz and one shot lol
The reason your scaling isn't very common, is because common sense is not very common. You are a rare example of someone with common sense.
@courtneylimleehoo5025 MiH is super fast in the beginning when he was fighting Emporio. Also his reaction speed is also fast too. That's why he can dodge a bullet. Also even though he used tree to make him faster, he still goes around Jotaro and that is his own speed because the tree only makes him go forward to them since Pucci can't climb the building.
Nice video, one small issue. RTZ REVERSES THE WILLPOWER OF THE USER TO 0 AS WELL! Which is the reason why Diavolo didnt attack! Cause with your logic of MIH speed blitzing after RTZ, Diavolo could have Time skipped after RTZ.
@@toddsimmons6452 After getting RTZ Diavolo immediately broke out of GER's barrage and tried hitting GER but then got RTZ'd again. So it clearly doesn't return will power to zero. Which now I wanna find out what it meant by "will". Bc it doesn't do actual will power.
@@menacingpotatoleaf That is completely incorrect. Research the RTZ scene cause there was only 1 initial RTZ moment
GER was the perfect stand....to beat diavolo
Facts
It was exactly what it needed to be at that exact moment
@@raindancejam9466 exactly
which... is the point
of the stand evolution
Yeah since the stand was created by his want to beat diavolo so the arrow granted the ability to Giorno
Seeing GER drop from being in the top 3 of the verse feels weird but you managed to explain it pretty well
oh no ger isnt top 3 its in top 5-10 now so sad
What are the top 1 and 2?
@@4goe1If I had to guess:
2: WoU
1: S&W:GB
@@Annihilate0405 soft and wet isn't rlly the strongest, its just the perfect counter to wou
@@nighfinite Because it is, soft and wet is one of the strongest stands but mih just speed blitzes
Man, I remember arguing with people about GER and I always brought up Diavolo’s ability not even really being time manipulation which is a big detractor for GER’s power among other things so I’m glad to see more people start to see it the same way. I still really like the stand though lmao.
Exactly, his ability was mainly just limited memory erasure with some added stuff sprinkled in there, like limited intangibility
This vid and comment are insanely wrong it’s crazy 😂
@@unonymous8484 Crazy how it isn’t LMAO. I know for a fact you can’t argue against it.
@@_Bloom_307 u make me feel like im einstein after u said time erase doesn't erase time but memory
@@thelettucebarrel7784 buddy, u just said erasing time isn't time manipulation. i dont think anyone has to even argue with u after looking at that crazy statement
Far too many people forget that RTZ is purely a defensive ability. GER can't activate it unless it notices a direct attack coming at Giorno, and that's the main flaw with it's ability when Giorno would be up against a stand with literally *IMMEASUREABLE* speed.
Not even close. RTZ is automatic, if it wasn’t then how would he have noticed king crimsons attack with blood in his eyes. Also a data book that released after part 6 states that GER is the fastest stand
If it has to notice an attack hitting giorno to activate then why did everyone else on the planet with that attack get reset as well? Imagine GER just witnessing a leaf falling in the distance and decided to reset it, wouldn't everything that happen while that leave was falling get reset as well? Including Diavolo?
@@nibmibnib4615 exactly, automatic meaning that it affects every thing
@@averyburton8852The thing is that it undid Diavolo's attack to the point he began plotting his attack against GER, his ability says that it reduces the adversary's action and will to zero
pucci immeasurable speed is dumb to begin with cause its how much time is accelarted by, not what ever he decides.
I've been waiting for this, Definitely worth the wait. I just love finally knowing I was right, Can't begin to tell you how many people have called me crazy for saying MIH simply blitzes and RTZ wouldn't even activate.
Great vid man, Saw the short to, Keep up the good work
Why did you block me on mid debate?
RTZ activates on the intent to harm Giorno. Also GER is faster than MIH so you were still wrong.
The battle started and… sanji disappeared??
YOOOOOOO 👀💀
@@JobberGodot glad to see another katakuri fodderizer
Yeah, GER was kinda overhyped ever since his debut, but like I noticed that with every other overpowered stands from part 5 and beyond they seemed to have fine prints with their ability descriptions. Meaning there IS a way to "bypass" these abilities or at least small opening to their powers. I'm gonna list a few and correct me if I'm wrong.
1. GER - Return to Zero passively activates whenever an attack is detected. Key words, "passive" and "detected." It's a purely defensive ability and even the user is unaware of the activation. RTZ only activated when Diavolo EXITED time erasure and ATTACKED leaving him to be detected by GER. The limitations unless proven wrong is that GER has no precognition like Epitaph so any attacks that are very fast like faster than Star Platinum and Silver Chariot, can leave little to no time for GER to react for RTZ to work.
2. King Crimson - Time Erasure consumes the user's stamina and the user cannot attack DURING the erasure only before and after. Also, in my opinion, KC was considered op is mostly due to Epitaph.
3. D4C Love Train - Light Barrier same case as GER's RTZ and King Crimson's Time Erasure. Ultimate defense but the user can't attack so they're basically turtle shelling.
4. Tusk Act 4 - Infinite Spin takes too much of a setup to actually work. The amount of precision and prep you need to even manifest Act 4 is too much of a pain.
5. Soft and Wet Go Beyond - Logic Defying Bubble. NGL, it's the GO BEYOND bubble attack that is overpowered no Soft and Wet himself.
Conclusion: I am in no means downplaying these stands, they are busted in they're own right and I understand the hype behind them but when you look at their powers the reason for these hypes is because of how they were shown in their respective stories. GER, Tusk Act 4, and Soft and Wet GO BEYOND are overpowered because they countered an overpowered opponent. I also noticed that most of the overpowered stand abilities are their defensive abilities like GER, King Crimson, D4C Love Train, and Wonder of U. Now why is Made in Heaven OP? Because there was no stand to challenge his power. There was no counter and the reason MIH lost is because he was outsmarted. Also, I did say "bypass" but that's with quotation marks meaning it's not impossible but it's gonna be difficult and complicated meaning in a stand battle you're mostly gonna have a really bad time.
other than the fact that jotaro could have totally beat pucci if jolyne wasnt in danger
@@averageinternettrolltaro could have in no way defeated made in heaven. Only way he had a chance was due to anasui. He was getting blitzed left and right
@@Pqihtyieojn12I mean didn't he die because he had to save Jolyne instead of killing Pucci?
@@dennist8290yes only thanks to Anastasia
@@dennist8290Jotaro was saved/heavily aided by Anasui thrice during the MiH fight, had Anasui not been there, Jotaro would’ve gotten blitzed before the fight really even began
Unrelated to the main continent the video, but it’s low-key surprising that 98% are not subbed!
Truuuuue
Ger gotta be the most misunderstood stand. Everybody saying it wins against time stop because it countered diavolo. I don’t knowing everyone forgets but diavolo had to get out of his ability to hit him so he just waited.
I mean if time stop is activated to specifically bring harm to Giorno how couldn't GER stop it? We don't even know the full extent of GER abilities or it's speed or power
Wdym he waited? He reversed KCs timeskip, something that giorno could not perceive. And superspeed is something that the part 6 cast PERCEIVED as it was happening. So GER could counter Pucci if the latter was attacking Giorno
problem is, wouldnt the damage just get reverted after time stop anyway?
@@RenegadeStriker7 exactly. also pucci immeasurable speed is actual bull crap cause he needs to accelerate time to the speed he wants to move at.
@@gamingnamehere1560which would grant him immeasurable speed
5:26 you know this video’s serious when this music starts!
Btw great video one of the most credible jojo scalers in the community!
Glad you liked that part of the video man lol, also thx!
Lets go! More GER debunking!
It does beat made in heaven tho and that's coming from a channel that's based off made in heaven
@@Novakage-g5nVery true Madeinheaven967!
@@Novakage-g5n
Made in Heaven itself ad to prove GER wins 😭😭
@@Novakage-g5n ger still overrated I hate the stand it was only useful for that situation
@@thisIs_REQUIEM that's true but it's still a cool stand if you ignore it's fanbase, it indeed is overrated but if it was in more parts after 5 it could of solved every situation
Man, all these crazy and complex abilities just for the strongest ability to be basically super speed
It’s perfect, because thats the same reason Jotaro’s stand was considered the best. Araki considered part 3 to be a western, some dialogue in part 3 even signifies this. It’s all about who has the fastest gun in the west, and until made in heaven, Jotaro was that gunslinger.
It's a bit sad to see our favorite mafia boy lose his big op Chad status but it's for the better since misinformation is a bitch, believe me as a Godzilla fan I have plenty of experience in that😅.
6:42 idk about you but my interpretation of diavalos stand is that he erases himself from time for 10 seconds that’s the only why I’ve been able to explain to myself why does bullets went through him in the Metallica fight
That makes sense because he can’t even interact with people in erased time, only reposition himself.
@@EditUnivers75 yeah cause everyone/everything is still there just not technically him
Bigger question, if TA4 hits Pucchi and the infinite rotation begins, could pucchi just accelerate time to infinity and cancel out the infinity on his body? And what about the Golden ratio? If I stand corrected, it still tracks things on water, and would Johnny be affected by the universal reset if he's in his personal dimension?
So many questions and NO ONE has talked about this.
If Johnny gets a shot off on Pucci, Pucci dies. Pucci's biggest advantage over Johnny is how much faster he is. But if a shot from Act 4 hits, Pucci can't just get rid of it by accelerating time, because it would essentially be Pucci accelerating the rate at which the infinite spin tears him apart, just like weather report's pure oxygen.
Yeah it's kind of messed up I was talking to some guy on discord and he said that stands aren't souls or spirits and he also said that GER when he punches an opponent he puts them in a dimension and then they die in that dimension and I'm like no he has to die or be at near death to be put in death loop
And also I think that stands our souls in this connects with my debate with Aizen and giorno And I think stands that are sentient can be put under hypnosis
Ger really gaslighted everyone huh
Yup
I swear I've never been gaslighted like this since I entered Jobbers and Goons comment section and I thought Milk man Superman was the ULTIMATE supreme being in DC only to learn bro got folded by a regular ass wonder woman and a regular ass swamp thing , dude I was sold a lie by the entire internet...
I don't really think Giorno needs to physically hit the opponent for RtZ to work, the statement probrably meas being struck by the hax, like anyone caught in time stop. Everything else is pure FAX in my opinion
I miss when GER was at the top of the food chain 😢 simplier times
It’s still in 2nd or 3rd place
@@christopherchocolate69420 This is luteraly GER with every single disadvantage, Its like 5th behind SAW, WOU, D4C, MIH and possibly behind the world and star plat
@@Saint_Kaiser no fucking way that sp and tw are stronger than ger. That's too far alright.
Can’t wait to go back through your channel and watch your videos! I love stone ocean especially and your perspective on Jojo is what I feel this community needs. I’m pissed RUclips has kept this channel hidden from me for so long.
Watching ur old videos and the new ones ur scaling have improved a lot lol, keep the good work
It went from "ger is the ultimate stand" and "saw:GB is only the counter to wou" to "Saw:GB is the ultimate stand" and "ger is only the counter to kc"
My ranking of stands
1. Wonder of U
2.Made in Heaven
3.S&W (go beyond attack specifically)
4.GER
5.D4C + Love train
What about tusk act 4
@@AbhinavSrivastava11 Incredible powerfull stand...only in you can get the golden rotation in a horse or steel ball, incredibly difficult to deploy against enemies with long range or time manipulators.
Bohemian Rhapsody with a smart user?
@@Cactus02-j7p The Hand with a smart user?
Go beyond is just cream but smaller lmaooo
Pebble flick into giant stone pillar says otherwise 😎
Ultimate Kars vs all JoJo villains? He’s pretty OP considering how he scales above Young Joseph, and it would be interesting to see him go up against stand users.
I’ll definitely consider that video topic or something similar to it in the future
loses to kira
@@mult1versal if Kira can touch him then yeah probably
@@Novakage-g5n he doesn't need to. sheer heart attack
@@mult1versal Kars can just fly high in the sky and it wouldn’t get to him, if jotaro can figure out that it follows heat then Kars can to although he wouldn’t be able to see it
Great video! GER fans gonna get mad.
GER getting blitzed just reset my whole browser what the hell
GER just ain’t that strong, I recommend watching my very informative “Why GER ISN’T As You Think” video, people have also been faking GER scans to make people think he’s strong
@@JobberGodot but that’s the thing you’re just using your own speculation you could literally walking around the other way an equal you also like to bring up how Orok he changes his mind a lot, but the thing is those are still statements made by him. It’s the literal fucking creator, saying that it’s just not right and inconsistent is like saying the sky is green because I said it’s just factually wrong
My personal head cannon is that there is a way to beat GER kinda like the thing with Chariot Requiem
Let’s go, another upload.
Ive said this once ill say it again, it truly depends if GER truly resets something to zero, example being Points A, B and C test.
For example, everyone can agree if something started at Point A, tried to get to Point B then in the middle of it GER uses its ability, we can all agree it will always restart at Point A.
However, if something starts at Point A, passes Point B and goes to Point C, and in getting to Point C GER activates, does it restart at Point A or only restarts to Point B, since the action of going from Point A to Point B has occured?
If its the former, then GER is truly broken. But if its the latter, then GER is limited by what is considered a "full action". Is a full action measured by a series of small actions or is it defined by the overall goal?
Consider running a lap. If a person runs a full lap and needs to step over the finish line to complete it, during which GER activates, does the person restart to their last step or begin at the start of the lap? Not many people can truly answer this because GER really doesnt answer this question, nor Araki in anime or manga.
all this time i thought rtz was a automatic and completely passive ability which caused me to give up trying to glaze made in heaven over it, but as soon as i saw in this video that it had limited range ALL of its hype left my body
Makes since. Makes Araki's statements make more sense throughout the series too.
I just had this debate with someone yesterday Lmao
This fight depends on how much time has passed since pucci obtained mih. If the fight starts like 30 seconds after time accelleration begun, pucci wouldn't have enough speed to surpass ger yet. If about 5 minutes had passed since then and Pucci had the same speed with which he blitzed jotaro the first time, i bet Ger's reaction speed would be still enough. If time accelleration continued even more then yeah...about 15 to 30 minutes into mih's activation, pucci would probably become too much for Giorno.
But the problem is this with pucci: he appears to be too fast for the stands' reaction speeds to tell which afterimage is him but he still seems to be slower than the stands' actual speed. Because, first, Diver down was able to pick up jotaro and save him before pucci could react to it and maybe jump to hit jotaro's legs. Secondly, Pucci never blitzed SP directly, he feared and always tried to stay outside of Jotaro's range, always attacked Jotaro himself, not his stand, and always went around SP' attacks. If Pucci was at least 5 times faster than Star Platinum, he would just dogde every oraora punch one by one and go through the barrage to hit SP or Jotaro. Even when Jotaro was about to hit him after his final time stop ended, when pucci was even faster than before, Pucci still made sure to exit Jotaro's range and said that Jotaro was two steps behind from reaching and killing him. This means that Jotaro having Pucci inside his range in real time would still be deadly for the latter. Thirdly, when Stone free surprise-attacked Pucci, he was still afraid of Jolyne's barrage and then barely dodged. He had to jump straight up in the air to dodge actually. Stone free was able to predict that and had also enough speed to throw the knife right after her barrage ended and hit the priest before he could escape his mid air position. This proves SF is trouble for MIH (about 10 minutes into the fight). And remember this: Stone free is the only person in the group (apart from emporio) with B in her speed, while the others have A's. In other, simpler words: THE GROUP'S SLOWEST STAND WAS ABLE TO MAKE AN OFF GUARDED PUCCI AFRAID AND INCAPLE OF FIGHTING BACK (while in her range), 10 MINUTES INTO THE FIGHT, WHEN PUCCI WAS EVEN FASTER THAN BEFORE. (of course, about 1 minute later, after Jolyne left emporio with the dolphin, Pucci had finally gained enough speed to surpass Stone Free)
The thing is that Pucci doesn't seem to be faster than stands for the majority of the fight. His most dangerous aspect is that he leaves afterimages behind, making it hard to figure his exact position and thus difficult to get him inside others' stand attack range.
my theory is that pucci isn't at light speed (until killing Jolyne), he is at "time speed", and time is faster than light. This is why a rock simply falling, only about 3 minutes into the time accelleration, is invisible to even Anasui's eyes. The time dialation, or the difference between people's and Pucci's perception of time, is the real problem.
After all that...I believe Pucci would need to wait about 30 minutes to finally overcome Ger's reaction speed, because 1) Pucci isn't faster than stands before that and 2) even Jotaro was able to tell he's being cut by Pucci's attack (remember there was enough time between Jotaro's face getting sliced and him 100% dying, for Jolyne to talk to him and Jotaro to respond, and don't act as if this only happened in the anime). Giorno wouldn't die otherwise.
But would Giorno be able to HIT or kill a fast moving Pucci? If his light beams are not stand energy, meaning they don't become slower like how erme's stickers were, then, yeah, if he creates and sends to Pucci like a Lion or a bear and Pucci doesn't know how they work and goes for the kill, yeah. If giorno creates thousands of warms or small and vulnerable insects and places them 20 meters around him, and then Pucci inevitably steps on one and kills it, yeah. If Giorno creates an armor like suit made of bees, which Pucci would need to kill to reach Giorno, yeah. There are many smart and creative ways for giorno to kill him without using RTZ. Jojo is bizzare for a reason
i just figured...IF GIORNO CREATES AND GETS ON A TREE TO EVADE PUCCI (like he did against koichi) AND PUCCI SLICES THE TREE, PUCCI'S LEGS ARE CUT OF lol
I respectfully disagree with everything you’ve said, and believe it to be wrong. That’s all I’ll say cause I don’t feel like trading essays tbh, agree to disagree 🤷🏽♂️
@@JobberGodot understandable. Many of my statements contradict what most people, including you, think of Pucci and his speed. I just wanted to know if you agree. Can you at least tell me if you believe life creation and damage reflection would do anything to Pucci?
I don’t think either would be relevant since MiH Pucci would just speed blitz before GER could use any of that stuff
@@JobberGodot Jotaro's group was still able to see Pucci moving (when they were in the air flying away using Ermes's stickers, they were watching Pucci following them below and commenting on it). Let's say Giorno and Pucci are 200 meters apart. If Giorno saw Pucci approaching from 100 meters away, immediately created a tall tree and stayed on top of it until Pucci hit it, why wouldn't that work?
do pucci vs funny valentine
GER don't need to activate his abbility, Pucci can't kill Giorno cuz nothing is happend at the begining
That notion is completely incorrect imo, and I go over why it is in great detail in my “Why GER ISN’T As Strong As You Think” video
@@JobberGodot 🤔
@@JobberGodotif you just want be contrarian, say so.
@@JobberGodot the fact you said imo just makes you completely wrong when the anime and manga say otherwise.
Ger's ability is automatic? The ability would activate before Pucci would even touch Giorno. As shown in Diavolo's time skip, Giorno activated this ability UNCONSCIOUS. And also the wiki states the Ger is an automatic Stand.
That was after he hit divaolo
And do you really believe what the wiki says it ain’t even official
GER is an automatic stand yes but in the sense that it has free will from it's user, return to zero is never stated to be passive
o@@mizzix
@@madeleinegamy7267 I'm talking about the JoJo wiki
Gold Experience Requiem can win, because it doesn't need to hit or touch to activate Return to Zero. So even if Pucci uses Made In Heaven, GER uses RtZ to negate its effect. Golden Experience Requiem wins because the Reverse to Zero is actually a passive/defensive technique, which creates a counterattack.
First he need to detect the opps MIH is WAY to fast
If we’re going technical without scaling, MiH vs GER is a stalemate, because RTZ but then MiH speedblitz
I’ll be technical without SCALING, look, MiH vs GER is a wash, because RTZ just wouldn’t register MiH speed blitzing
@@JobberGodot RTZ gets cucked by time stop 🥵
@@SubmissiveMemeralityabsolute w
@@JobberGodotwhy would it not register? Because you said so?
That and king crimson breaks causality, he keeps the cause and erases the effects. He erased the effect of him getting shot by Aerosmith but it doesn't effect the fact the Aerosmith shot at all, he erased results of action. In that time closes the gap of things being removed from it.
5:56 bro debunked Einstein for a jojo powerscale video 🔥🔥🔥
pucci can always use nigerundayo if he is loosing
As a made in heaven enjoyer i see mo issues with this claim totally not bias from me
GER fan girls really be like "RTZ can revert you to a fetus"
I want to know what music he was using in the background
Can someone tell what music is called?
Thanks for releasing this. I absolutely hate GER with everything that I have. Not because of the people that ride it, but because how much of an unexplained mcguffin it was at the end of the part. And because of that, everyone just views GER as the end all be all to debates.
That begs the question to me though, would Tusk Act 4 still lose to it?
Glad you liked the video, and with Tusk Act 4, I’ll have a video on that topic next week so stay tuned!
I also hate GER with a passion
It’s explained more in the manga
Yeah it genuinely makes diavolos loss unfair considering the man was 5vq
I also hate it
My man Pucci finally getting respect on his name.
The thing is is that nobody really knows full extent to his powers so your scaling is kind of a relevant, but from what we’ve seen honestly, you can interpret timeskip or Time skip/erase in any direction your point of you just so happens to be different
Irrelevant*
GER wins
Ger is definitely overrated but it does beat made in heaven. Although imagine a crazy diamond requiem
How does GER beat MiH?
@@JobberGodot I personally feel like it could go either way depending on how the fight starts but ger has all of regular gold experience abilities but amplified right?
Sure GER has GE’s stuff amplified, Anyways, Do you think GER or RTZ has the speed to react to MiH?
@@JobberGodot he has a much better chance than the part 6 gang did, if mih starts off with infinite speed then maybe no
Do you think GER is faster than Armorless Silver Chariot?
The fact that Giorno was heavily implied, basically outright stated to be in Florida at the time, him seeing the world accelerating around him and obviously being smart enough to deduce it as a stand ability, and get GER not RtZ negging whatever was going on around him says all that we need to know
Either A.) RtZ didn’t activate because Pucci’s ability didn’t register as an attack on Giorno or B.) MiH’s ability is too powerful for GER to simply RtZ away, the result is the same
In a direct conflict, the idea that GER has to hit the target first in order to RtZ and Death Loop it is interesting which means Pucci wouldn’t get touched unless we argue GER is faster, which I wouldn’t necessarily be against. But if Pucci doesn’t ‘attack’ then Giorno has no way to win
Jason victims 💀💀💀💀🐀
IM GOING TO EAT YOU ALIIIVE
@@joegun4259 you can't eat infinity
@@fightingfefnir1003 not with that attitude
@@fightingfefnir1003 you under estimate my power
@@joegun4259 scan?
I always wondered with how King Crimson erases specifically the perception of time. Would Diavolo have the privilege of seeing a Doctor Who Weeping Angel’s true form? Since Weeping Angels even tap into specifically perceived time, it’s why they likely wouldn’t be seen during a Dio/Jotaro time stop as they’d be witnessing perceived time Weeping Angels.
No epitaph only shows the result not the steps that get up to it meaning if diavolo used time erase plus epitaph and jotaro time stopped he would only see himself getting hit not anything in between. Even with none time related stands if diavolo again activated time erase + epitaph he would only see c moon inverting his body not the steps that lead up to that point.
@@NorseNuggie I wasn’t asking about that interaction. I was comparing. 🤦
@@corrinflakes9659no Diavolo doesn’t skip the “perception of time” Diavolo skips over time in general it’s clearly shown that time itself is being skipped
Im not up with the Jojo powerscaling but I always thought GER was the strongest but now u proved me wrong😭😭
Yooooo wassup Takt, didn’t expect to see you here, I watch your videos btw 😅. Anyways, i’m glad you enjoyed the video!
@@JobberGodot Ty man appreciate the love 🤞, BTW I love ur editing style too. Hella crispy 🔥 Keep up the work
So question. Could Silver Chariot Requiem defeat MIH?
Not sure rn tbh
Doesn't chariot requiem use your OWN stand against you and turn you into an animal of some kind if you're not a stand user?
I think Pucci is smart enough to figure out SCR's weakness.
@@elijahbagaman276 how is he gonna get passed his own stand tho
@@nicholasaugello2534 He won't, but like I said as long as he can deduce it's weakness he'll win.
On GER's stats:
Jober Godot suggested that the stat screen regarding GER is actually referring to the ability but chose the worse (and I am assuming only, but may be incorrect) examples to demonstrate, Sky High, which is a stand that yes, has a physical manifestation, but is not used for physical attacks, the appearance of said stand is merely for aesthetic purposes. Up next is Burning Down the House, which is an even worse example, as unlike Sky High, it quite literally never gets manifested, it is solely an ability stand, so there are no "physical" stats to measure, since it does not hold physical form. While you could say that the "perfect stand" is referring to ability, that means that the example provided would be perfect, but no, they chose Star Platinum, which was destroyed by Sheer Heart Attack, tricked by White Snake, susceptible to change via C-Moon, etc... If Star Platinum were the PERFECT stand, then none of the above could ever happen, since no imperfections could be there, because, it is the perfect stand, no?
Btw, I’ll respond to this in a video dedicated to comments like this, also if you haven’t, I have an entire GER video you can watch if you haven’t already
Bro is literally only using speculation in the worst way possible
At this point we need a video
Tusk act 4 vs mih
I legitimately forgot to sub after the last video xD
I actually had this debate with somebody and that fool actually had the nerve to tell me that GER has infinite stats and that MiH does not have infinite speed
😭
@@JobberGodot and to make it worse his exact words were "MiH does not have infinite speed. Its speed just never stops increasing"🤦♂️
That shit makes me angry
@@joegun4259 Same here. Nothing the guy said to me was logical. He even said "GER has infinite stats. You can see it on its statsheet." When I pointed out that all of its stats literally say null he brought up some GER wank vid that was just as wrong as him.
@jimmybrooks2000 those stats aren't even for his physicals it's for his rtz
Its not true that ger can only reverse direct attacks on giorno. Diavolos infinite death loop happens because diavolo is fated to die and ger reverses it so if it could reverse diavolos death it could definetely reverse mih’s time speeding
Oh my god. Sanji disappears?!😱
It all depends on how time acceleration and RTZ react to it each other, for instance time acceleration is capable of speeding up time stop briefly and even makes it come out faster (?), so if that is the case would it cause RTZ to start working faster or make its effects aka returning things to their original state faster? another thing that isn't addressed if is RTZ is a spammable ability or not.
Kinda already went over how Time Acceleration and RTZ would interact in the video, either Time Acceleration negs the first use of RTZ or equaling the Hax potency out, RTZ works, with MiH Pucci eventually speed blitzing and one shotting. Also RTZ working faster is an assumption with no evidence, and RTZ isn’t a spammable ability in a fight from what’s been visually presented and stated in Part 5 and guides
@@JobberGodot Yes exactly, there's no visual evidence or statements to truly know how the fight would play out either because RTZ was only used once and it's hard to know if it'd negate time acceleration back to zero or not, we don't know if it can be spammed or not either, I'm being rhetorical here, and I'm not saying it would speed up RTZ's effects, I was basing it off how it quite literally made time stop not just come out faster, but it also shortened it briefly so if it did the same to RTZ would it be that surprising? anyway there's just no way to fully determine a winner, but if we went off what we've been seen/told MIH would probably speed blitz GER before it could activate presumably.
I say A + B = C with proof and evidence, and you say A + B = ? cause memes
Not even started this yet but wouldn't it go like this:
Mih arracks
Ger revert to 0s the attack and swings at mih
Mih dodges easily (because diavolo flinched before getting hit by ger so he aint frozen)
Keeps going till ger time runs out or universe reset
Then mih kills normal golden experience
This does depend on how long mih has been active
Why does everyone think GER is a cooldwon. Its permanent like scr
@@toddsimmons6452hat's not what the one who commented this was talking about. After the universe resets, the commenter said Pucci would go kill Giorno BEFORE he achieved requiem in the new timeline. Still flawed tho as those who survive into the new TL still seem to understand what's going on. Iirc, Emporio still had WR's stand disc. Which means that even if the characters are forced back to WHERE they were, they aren't forced back to HOW they were.
@@Zexceeda Hold up. That doesn't make any sense. If that was the case then emporio wouldn't have the WR disc to begin with! Because in the new universe pucci didnt even know about wr until way later. So this headcannon doesn't make any sense. GER wouldn't revert to GE in the new universe. And even then wouldn't MIH revert to WS if this was the case, considering Green Baby wasn't born at that time either.
@@Zexceedapeople are D riding Pucci so hard dawg. Imagine when part 7 comes out, they'll come out with "D4C can beat GER" xD
Why so hate for ger..
I swear bro literally everyone else saying GER could beat MiH but Jobber, he's trying to be so different really bad
ger is his real dad and jobber simply hasn’t (and cant) accept it
@@Ardenictyeah thats crazy
Its because GER is stronger than the majority of stand in jjba
Finally someone who agrees with MIH soloing GER, altho I agree with this my main reason was always cause what will ger do when made in heavens time acceleration hits the singularity point and collapses the universe?
The reset doesn't kill anyone, only replaces those who have died prior to the reset
Overall really good points made in this video I still believe that GER could beat Made in Heaven but it's not for any stats or time control reasons but because I think if GER could find some way to apply it's ability to Made in Heaven then it would be able to reverse it back to C Moon and then Whitesnake and then nothing but I will admit to in order to get up close to him he would have to find some way to either catch mid movement or slow him down so
Ger's ability is automatic, so I agree with you
yea ger would def win but its not as far off as ppl think.@@skono2361
alt ending, GER shows up and reverts him back to pale snake, than gives the ol' jojojumping
I still disagree, but still a good video. Question. *Let's say RT0 works on MIH* Can it be used multiple times in your opinion. Like if Pucci was reverted to the point before he moved, and then he tried to move again and gets reverted, could GER just approach Pucci while spam reverting MIH. Eventually speed would become a nonissue for GER if Pucci isn't leaving his own spot. Again, going off the idea RT0 does work.
To answer your question, no. Because GER and RTZ would get blitzed then after because I allowed the scenario for MiH Pucci to be off guarded or not taking the fight seriously to happen in the first place, after that it’s free game
@@JobberGodot OK. I think the issue in my understanding was me taking the ability as automatic, where is seemingly us not
RTZ is not automatic, yes
@@JobberGodot umm, Giorno had to be told by golden experience what happened in the fist place? Ger activated RT0, not Giorno so how would blitzing him help. also if MIH acceleration could be made immeasurable instantly then why didnt pucci just try that the sec he done with crusaders? he had to actually slowly accelerate time to get to universe reset so he litterally cant have inf speed
You keep talking about people making assumptions, and here you are assuming GER will stand still and let a random enemys stand attack him, he stood by because he knew all of divalos ability, GER isn't overhyped, if he got more pannels to show his powers i promise he'd give wonder of U for his money.
Stop the cope ger just isn't that strong as people think WoU and goku victim fr
@kwnl-gappy-4-balls
Bringing up a random character is why goku's verse gets slammed by Game Sonics' weakest form. All I see in Dragon Ball are rimura victims.
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls Rimura>dragon ball cope
@infertrap bro is coping so hard just accept that ger isn't even top 3 stands in jojo and that soft and wet go beyond beats the shit out of ger
Ger is tusk Act 4, goku, WoU, d4cLT, star platinum and soft and wet vitcm
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls ger barly got any panels, soft and wet got a whole dame part, ger only has a few pages, the fact that people just outwrite say "return to zero" won't work on him since he's so overpowered is bias and makes no sense, he defiantly gets slammed as he his know but people seem to be forgetting how little we saw or understand about GER
Nice headcanon
@@error-4269 what do you think of this shit show
It's not but, ok
@@JobberGodot keep on coping buddy
All credibility thrown through the window
@@cyrus8886 keep on self projecting buddy, you're the one viewing & commenting on my video, helping it gain traction lol, this convo is a W for me 😂
@@error-4269 I'm not trolling, and if you don't like the type of current content or opinions on this channel, you are both free to go watch some other copy and paste JoJo vs video/channel
Looking at your banner Are you an Ann Vs Luz fan?
Yea! I like Owl House, and LOVE Amphibia, I’ll eventually cover the mu on this channel
The only way pucci wins is if pucci does not attack giorno
lol
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Timestop is probably the most broken power as even the infinite rotation of act 4 could not move in all 5 seconds so Ger can't revert Timestop to zero as MiH was still stopped as well.
But Tusk Act 4 literally did move in the fight against Diego?
@@Thrasher424 Not all 5 seconds and unlike Jotaro and possibly Pucci with C-moon Johnny most likely had no idea what tusk was doing.
Tusk was fully conscious, just not Johnny
honestly a lot of these explanations and scaling points that I'm seeing in this video feel out of context at best, like i can only take your word at the Japanese guides and everything claiming that it GER being the "ultimate stand" is only referring to RTZ alone
I know you mention stuff like jojo go go and such but i feel like we ain't getting the full context or picture. the arguments you made for pucci are solid but i'm not seeing the same energy for giorno
Sorry if you feel that way, I highly recommend you watch my GER video if you don’t believe I bring enough context with GER’s Sparknotes provided in this video
I think there’s a point to be addressed is, are GE(R) lifeforms during MIH affected as true organisms or materials?
anyone who has watched vento aureo knows that they're actually living organisms
I have a question, if HER has to hit you to activate RTZ, how come Diavolo wasn't the only one affected?
RTZ resets everything
Exactly so what if GER just chose another action to reset that wasn't Diavolo's but Diavolo would've gotten reset anyway and hence the same opening? Does the action have to happen to GER specifically?
I'm literally asking these questions because his power is so interesting to me, and I can't help but think of ways that it can work.
GER only reverts an attackers will and actions against Giorno and itself, nothing else
@@JobberGodot why did mista's bullets go back in his gun then lol?
Ger is by definition an unbeatable stand everything has a truth of fate Ger controls that fate however so unless you do not have a fate Ger will always beat you we see this in the diavolo fight Ger chose diavolos fate
Is it really all what GER can do?
yeah the only way GER would win is if made in heaven actually tried to attack it or giorno.
do remember that giorno freaking died when Gold experience stabbed itself.
MiH > GER, it was all meant to be.
Interesting
@@error-4269 yes.
Isn’t return to zero a passive ?
I dont think you have a video on it so I would like to ask: is there a site where I could learn how Joker beats the jojo verse? I know SMT's cosmology scales higher but I don't know all of the details about it, I got myself in an argument 😅.
Look up Vsbw and/or Csap “Ren Amamiya”, pretty sure they also give hyperlinks to his feats
@@JobberGodot thank you, although the argument went pretty well honestly so I guess that's a good thing probably could've done it better though
W finally some is addressing the ger wank
@@error-4269 who siad im serious I love a good slander vid I do that and some trolling myself
Just subscribed bro
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Rtz is passive it's always active
can you do vergil vs MIH
I’ll think about it
Let's be real here. Pucci is not more durable then DIO. Pucci survived Jotaro's punch with pure plot armor. If you watch or read Part 6, Pucci has more Plotarmor then King or Mr. Satan.
He survived it because he was durable enough, not because he is weak or plot armor you fucking pile of garbage
If giorno had an animal protecting its vitals, and made in heaven were to strike, pucci would die to normal GE no diff
Huh… you realize to pucci everything is moving normally meaning he would be able to easily see those animals and react accordingly. Vitals are not even the only way to die bleeding out is still a factor.
well if the author decide that stand is the strongest means that stand is the strongest...simple .
Could koichis three freeze held slow down pucchi?
Spit facts
Wow bro tower of gray must beat ger then
I'm not joking lmaooooo
This fight is so one sided that its funny. Its true that MIH is faster and probably stronger than GER, But to win, Pucci would have to Kill giorno. But, here's the problem: Pucci wouldn't even touch Giorno, Becouse of return to zero. GER would revert every attack made by pucci In the end, Pucci gets complety destroyed by Giorno
Jobber godot in another video of debunking the fraude tgat peapole know are GER
Mr godot how you feel after doing a big mission and cauth one of the biggest fraud in jojo ?
Long time coming
@@JobberGodot thanks for the big important statment Mr godot
Wtf does "city level AP" mean? Aint no way these stands are punching a city away, L POWERSCALE
You say jotaro is City-level, but the thing is he could not atomize a city
@@error-4269 wait...what does dc stand for?
@@error-4269 and his destructive capability, is not capable of atomizing a town in a single attack
dawg has never heard of destructive capacity in his life
@@yokuutsu9097 because I dont need to know it to know that jotaro cant destroy a city, he cant even destroy a car fully in 1 attack let alone a city.
@@severia24 ATTACK POTENCY refers to how many tons of force someone/something can output when attacking. Just because you didn't see Jotaro Dragon Ball Z away an entire City doesn't mean he doesn't have City Level AP.
What you're confused about is Destructive Capacity, which is basically the AOE of an attack. So for an example, if a character is stated to hit as hard as a nuclear bomb, but doesn't cause as much destruction as a nuke would, that would be their attack potency.
That's the best I can explain it, but you can just choose to ignore this and pretend you never read it.