Enrico Pucci's "Infinite Speed" Issue
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Another thing I always figured was that Pucci’s speed isn’t just a flat infinite speed, but rather that it’s tied to his acceleration of time, where the faster time is, the faster he is. So, Pucci’s max speed is theoretically infinite, but at any given point, it is both finite and calculable.
congrats you know how the ability works LOL
Someone who finally understood how made in heaven works lmao.
Infinitely _growing_ speed.
I think people missing the point here, pretty sure Pucci's speed gradually grows, then at some point it reaches it's peak at infinity and forms a singularity which resets the universe
Yea doesn't have infinite speed he just speed up infinitely which you can't reach infinite speed with that because no matter how much you multiply numbers it's still closer to zero than infinite
@@dbsdbz- I'm pretty sure Pucci reaches infinite speed when he reaches the singularity point
he’s just really fast
He's just really fast
He's just really fast
He's just really fast
He’s just really fast
He’s just really fast
Pucci’s Speed is relative to acceleration of the universe. Depending on how fast the universe is moving is how fast he moves, I feel like only once he reaches the singularity point does his speed become truly become infinite. Also the knife is an inanimate object so it moved as fast a pucci, so he wouldn’t be able to react.
and on top of that, it’s fucking stone free who threw that knife, ofc it’s hard to react to a knife flying right at you if it’s thrown by stone free
@@stc_void right, stone free punches fast enough to destroy meteors, plus Pucci thought that Jolyne was dead, so he was caught off guard hardcore
@@angrypvz1236 exactly, while he could react, and only minimise the damage, it’s still a knife thrown by stone free in a situation he didn’t expect it
@@angrypvz1236 you could argue because his perception is relative to accelerated time, stone free, being almost entirely blue, while moving very slowly, would be hard to notice until the knife moves away, and also another comment saying that he'd probably get bored waiting so long, so he wouldn't have super quick reflexes
@@angrypvz1236 no pucci didn't reach infinite speed he was billions of kilometers per second but it's impossible to reach infinite like that because infinite is not a number
His ability is actually so simple it's crazy how people get this messed up. Pucci just accelerates time, that is his ability. He maintains 100% awareness of the time being sped up, just like DIO has 100% awareness of the time that is stopped. For Pucci, humans look slowed down to a crawl, but objects are moving at "normal" speed from Pucci's point of view, because everything that is non-living is accelerating *with* him. So while to Pucci, who is running at 12 miles per hour, it looks like we are at a standstill, but to us like he is moving at millions of times the speed of sound. Because he accelerated time millions of magnitudes above its normal flow. Simple as.
So if you stop time then accelerate it wouldn't it bring it back to normal speed?
@@superty1985first off this reply has nothing to do with what OP said, second 0 time anything is still 0, so no
it’s really simple, i hate how people just don’t understand it
@@superty1985 actually thinking about it I addressed the wrong point to your question, it was shown in the anime that when jotaro time stopped it was shortened to 2 seconds instead of his usual 5, it accelerates the “time” passed in the time stop
@@alvinzhang1139 it just crazy how he can accelerate normal time and can shorten a time stop.
For the 2 times Pucci is hit they can be explained by reasons other than his perception of things is slow. For the knife since it is an inanimate object it moves at the same speed Pucci is. This would be insanely hard to react to since at that time Pucci is moving so much faster than normal. When Pucci is hit by weather report the oxygen is spreading throughout his body much faster than it would normally causing him to experience oxygen poison at a quicker rate than Emporio. Another important part of Pucci's speed is that it takes time for him to accelerate and he doesn't go from 0 to infinite in 3.5. Pucci's speed matches the speed of the universe and as we see throughout the final battle time goes faster and faster until the universe resets. This means that when Pucci uses Made In Heaven's ability against Emporio at the end he is much slower than when he killed Jotaro and the gang.
the knife thing is way easier to explain, he didn't see the knife coming from below the water. No matter how fast he is he cannot see everything, but that's about it.
Finally someone says something. I always see power scalers ignoring the acceleration part of time ACCELERATION
but this also brings up the question of how the hell Pucci dodged the bullets from Emporio, since they are shot at point blank range and are affected by acceleration.
@@thebeefcow3915because they were manifested by emporia’s ability lol
@@thebeefcow3915Pucci could see where Emporio is aiming so he dodged it before. Or yeah it's stand ability so acceleration would not work there
Pucci's Made in Heaven works by accelerating time, meaning it gets faster and faster. He doesn't go faster, everyone just goes slower. As time gets faster, Pucci and everything that's not human gets faster with time like in a timelapse, but other people stay it their relative time speed. Pucci's "infinite speed" means he can get infinitely faster, not instantly ultra fast
Edit: Pucci is not blitzing Emporio because he is not using time acceleration after the universe reset
Everything thats not alive not just human
@@Lhaenen you did not read the manga or watched the anime havent you? The dolphin that Emporio rode was faster than Pucci because they also got faster like Pucci, and since their swimming speed is faster than human, Pucci couldnt catch up to Emporio
@@AyuKasioy_because physics still applies to him it’s common sense to know that you are slower under water anyone could possibly beat the best swimmers rn in the world by sprinting
He definitely used time accel after the reset, we saw a plant die within seconds in real time
@@AyuKasioy_ Bro, that's NOT TRUE. When we see universe getting reshaped, literally everything ages and disappears except humans, animals, plants etc. There's a whole ass 2 minute scene showing naked people and animals flying around...
Manga explains that Pucci could not reach dolphins because of his stamina. Even sped up, his swimming speed was just that of a normal human.
My answers to those questions:
-Pucci's infinite speed means infinite potential. Whether Pucci is moving normally or at the speed of light (pun intended), he could always move faster given enough "time".
-Pucci has the reflexes of a statue because if he watched the world at 1 30th or even 1 120th of its regular speed, he'd most likely fall asleep of boredom. Also, sending a message while talking 120 times as fast as a normal human isn't very productive.
-In the case of Jolyne throwing a knife at Pucci... everything was accelerated. The knife... was accelerated. The attention span of the community... was accelerated.
yeah Pucci's mind wasn't at the speed of the universe else he'd be experiencing billions times billions of years (and the real number is even bigger), it would means every seconds for Jolyne would feel like eternity for Pucci, which would make him go crazy
@@thunderjellyfish3680Not how that works at all. His body was accelerated along with the universe, which includes his mind, as we can see in the final fight with emporio, his bodily functions speed up causing the oxygen poison to kill him quicker. Plus, someone on a train perceives time differently than someone walking, so it wouldn't feel like an eternity.
So you mean pucci dodged bullets in regular speed?!?!
@@YSleepish I don't think time dilation plays a role here, because it's based on Einstein's relativity theory, which says: "The faster something moves through space, the slower it moves through time." Pucci was accelerated along with the universe, so he was affected by time dilation as much as you are while you read this reply. Everyone else moved extremely fast through time, so compared to Pucci, they moved extremely slow through space or compared to them, Pucci moved extremely fast through space. In short: time dilation makes Pucci fast, and we saw him really fast during the fight. Conclusion: Time dilation was always active, it just was in the background and didn't really matter. And now we're back at Pucci percieving one second as two minutes and waiting an eternity for something to happen. I think he only accelerated his mind completely when someone made a move and slightly when running in circles or talking to the gang.
@@ichkannschreiben6566 I mean that he waited with his mind just accelerated enough so he can react to bullets being fired and then dodge them.
The knife is inorganic so its literally traveling at the same sped up time he is how do people not understand simple concepts 💀
I think the easiest way to counter infinite speed Pucci is "why didn't he just instantly kill Jotaro and the gang instead of setting up knifes?"
Is funny how his own ability makes seting up quick atacks against him easier.
Knives are a tradition
Just being cautious too. He was a very careful guy
They were in Water, Water slows you down, he is not immune to physics and he knew, besides moot point, he still soloed Jotaro, Hermes, Jolyne, Jotaro, and Annasui in one sweep.
the whole scene where he killed the gang happened in 7 seconds, so uhm.... how is that not a record?
it was only by time stop that jolyne and emporio survived
When Pucci was chasing Emporio he wasnt accelerating time he do that only after Emporio tries to attack him with Weather Report and Pucci says now time will accelerate once again
What if the knife was fast too ? It was established earlier in the episode that if someone has an object in their hands, nothing happens, but as soon as they drop it, the object accelerates. So Pucci wasn't able to dodge something as fast as him.
MIH accelerates the entire universe to infinity. It doesn’t affect the people or animals but inanimate objects are shown to be affected by MIH. It’s also shown in the montage of people being affected by the stand. Also, he’d have to activate the stand’s ability in order to use it which is why he didn’t outright blitz Emporio.
Thought this was common knowledge idk how this wasn’t considered in the video. Thanks anyways
On top of the argument I've seen about the knife being affected by the time acceleration, causing it to move at normal knife speed for Pucci but much faster than humans could react to, we also have to remember that the infinite speed is really just potentially infinite speed. Pucci moves so fast because he's affected by his time acceleration, since he can accelerate time infinitely he could reach infinite speed, the issue is that in the process of moving at infinite speed he would have to accelerate the universe again and likely cause it to reset over and over again. In a vs battle the only issue would be getting it moving, as it seems that he would take time to reach his infinite speed but he would be able to keep fighting his opponent across new universes. The reason he didn't do that in the series is obviously because he only wanted to reset the universe once, so he didn't want to accelerate time to kill Emporio when he thought he could do it just fine normally anyway.
His speed is finite but just always growing
@@srnova9486 yeah that's what acceleration means, it's also why I clarified that it's his potential speed that is infinite cause he can infinitely accelerate.
The reason the dolphin trick worked was because it made speed a non-factor. Pucci just couldn't swim that far out to sea without drowning, no matter how much time he had. Jolyne said this herself.
Nah the Dolphin also had infinite speed, it was a rare one of a kind cosmic super dolphin 🌌🐬💨
as some other folks have said. Pucci's speed isn't because he's fast. it's because he is the only person affected by the acceleration. everyone else moves at "normal" speed, but as the universe moves faster, pucci moves faster along with it. so when Jolyne throws the knife, she's moving really slow compared to Pucci, but the moment she releases it, it moves at the super speed her stand could throw accelerated to proportionally match the time acceleration.. We see this in the display on that television show scene earlier on. the guy is holding the glass, but the moment he releases it, it now moves with accelerated time, seeming to instantly hit the ground and shatter before anyone can realize it. To dodge the bullets, he had to read and predict the trajectory of the bullet before it was fired, because the moment it exited the barrel, it would match the speed of the time accel. rather than Emporio's speed. It's the same reason Jotaro's time stop gets "shorter" because the phenomena of time stopping, is still aligned with the acceleration. it's the only way Jotaro can move in stopped time is if the Time stop had it's own form of time flow. which is also accelerated. This means that King Crimson's time skip would be "shorter". One could argue that even Bites The Dust could be affected and rewind less, as time would be accelerating that by the time the rewind finished, a chunk of what would have been rewound had already moved forward again. However I am of the mindset that this would not happen, as it would actually disable and undo the time acceleration. One interesting point to note however with bites the dust, is that it also behaves the same as the jump to the new universe. as the person who discovered Kira's identity becomes fated to explode at the same time after the rewind occurs. much like how everyone who made it to the new universe is fated to do everything they would have done in the original universe.
I think one of my favorite lessons Pucci teaches us is; While yes, Even the weakest stands can be strong and formidable in the right hands, It is also true that even the strongest stands can be rendered useless if the person isn't competent to match
I think it's also the fact that Pucci had the Stand for less than a day. He's definitely not use to it's ability especially while fighting, injured, and outnumbered. Giorno had his Stand for years until he thought about it's healing capabilities.
but pucci is one of the most competent stand user. He had 30 years in studying stand and had years of experience, he only had c-moon for a couple of hours and he was able to posticipate the new moon because he understood completely his ability and he was able to kill almost everyone only after a few minutes of having made in heaven.
The knife was just fast as him and no matter the speed dolphins are simply better swimmer and pucci was barely swimming, he was like moving foot really fast.
I think the reason he doesn’t speed blitz emporio is that his speed is tied to the speed of the universe around him, and that he’s fast because he can slow everyone else down relatively. And if he *did* accelerate time against Emporio, he’d also loop back around to the time where he started to accelerate time, which would assure his death due to fate.
Pucci doesn't necessarily move really fast, he just makes everyone else really slow. MIH accelerates time, making it so that Pucci is the only one who can move within said accelerated time. Everybody else experiences time as it is being accelerated. The knife that Jolyne threw was unaffected by time acceleration due to being an inanimate object, making it move really fast in Jolyne's perspective but normal knife-throwing speed to Pucci, meaning he got hit. Im not sure about Emporio, but I'm pretty sure the gas he was spreading with Weather Report was unaffected by accelerating time for the same reasons as the knife, making it spread faster and giving Pucci less time to react. I'm not sure about any of this so correct me if I'm wrong.
Well you're not wrong but relativity says both are the same thing without a reference point
@@uboa8060no relativity says they are both correct with there being no “objective” reference point.
@@datboy038 well yeah
That's kinda the point
@@uboa8060 hence why Araki even writes Pucci to control "gravity". Not in the traditional scientific sense, since Gravity accounts for the effects of time/fate/inseperability of stand users in the Jojoverse. But the word choice is very intentional there to basically say, Pucci becomes the singularity.
bro i hard desagree with everything slowing down and pucci speed is normal but to everyone else he is fast.
I think ∞ in Pucci's stats mean that he can accelerate himself as much as he would desire because I don't think he can just buff his speed in 1,5 or 2x times it just be stupid concept for a stando
Maybe i missunderstood Pucci's universe reset, but i always thought that when chasing Emporio, Pucci literally had no reason to hurry in any way. The universe has already been reset to his likings, all people's destinies have already been sealed by MiH, the only person who can change destinies now is only Pucci himself. He knows everything Emporio is destined to do and everywhere he is destined to go, thats why he was able to follow him and catch up so easily. Aside from Emporio's 3000 iq move to use Pucci's ability to change destinies to his own advantage, Pucci had literally nothing to worry about, at least that's how i saw it
Don't think too much about it, just know that he can surpass Star Platinum's time stop, which is saying something. (He also managed to kill two JoJo's in the same battle.
Pucci doesn't have infinite speed, he just accelerates everything inanimate and on it, he accelerates on it to be faster
Status is correct. The acceleration is infinite, it reaches infinity in a finite amount of time.
@@datboy038it doesn't
@@samueloak1600 it does. Also love the pfp
@@datboy038 it does never reach infinity per se, only approaches it evermore
Also, thanks!
@@samueloak1600 no no no it definitely reaches infinity, it’s at the point where everyone goes into the singularity and the universe reset ends with the new one starting since it literally happens INSTANTLY. In fact because Pucci can change fate there’s actually a point to be made that he has whats known as immeasurable speed where basically one is not bound by linear time
this is totally off topic but 0:58 was so unexpected that shit had me rolling 💀💀💀💀
W agility L perception L endurance
This entire video was just a big "Well yea, no shit, he's a human" A stand's power is ONLY a stand's power, it's not like Pucci's senses are enhanced, only his movement speed. The same thing with time stop, no matter how fast he accelerates time, if time is stoped, he is too.
but did he not move during jotaros timestop?
@@kratosorokai1546 Correct, he didn't, that's what I said
Imagine a game of Superhot, except bullets and objects keep moving no matter what. That's what Pucci sees. He sees Emporio pointing gun at him so he moves out of the way, but the bullets move normally for him.
Jolyne can be moving as slow as a snail for him, but once Stone Free throws the knife, it's in a normal speed for him.
He can easily react to stand rushes because they're slow from his perspective, but thrown objects aren't.
@@cccbbbccc5910 Ok dude that's cool and all but he literally said that in the video
@@MiculBandit His senses are hightened along with his movement speed
Also with the disc, Emporio takes advantage of the fact that Pucci now cannot see out of his right eye and holds the disc up so that when he reaches for E in the BDTH entrance, P pushes it into his head
There’s also the fact that his speed is also tied to his stamina as well, he may cross 300 metres in an instant but he will still feel like he ran 300 metres normally.
I really find it ironic how a man of infinite speed is unable to react to things at that same infinite speed if he’s unable to perceive that something will happen to him. Maybe that’s the reason why Pucci wanted to have everyone know their fate🤷🏾♂️. Because all I’m saying is, if u give DIO made in heaven the guy will spam it about as much as he did time stop and it’s not even funny the things he could do to Jotaro and Co
HUH
I JUST REALIZED THAT. Pucci's stand becomes infinitely stronger with knowing your fate ahead of time.
He's still just a regular human unlike dio plus not that much biq compared to dio and also he just got the stand like minutes ago well actually millions of years
@@Johten He can see others' fate but not his own since his fate is the only one not set in stone, he is the only one that can alter fate. He tried to alter Emporio's so he wouldn't attack him when he grows up, but his changing of fate ended up dooming himself.
@@EditUnivers75 I strongly disagree, this was DIOs plan. If you think DIO would do something like that and it wouldn't affect himself you're mad, he isn't doing crap for the betterment of mankind 😭😭
@@Johtenwhen Dio talks to polnareff on the stairs in part 3, he says how humans only seek comfort, and they’ll do anything to achieve that comfort. Dio was basically invincible, but he was on the wrong side of fate. The only way to overcome the joestars would be to eliminate the entire bloodline and create a timeline where they don’t have the same fate, while he is above fate and can shape it. It totally makes sense that somebody doomed by fate would believe peace comes from accepting it knowing you can’t change it, but in case you forgot, HE is still above it. The plan works on multiple levels and fits Dio’s motivation, not to mention feeding his god complex.
The ability absolutely affects himself, he is the only one in the universe capable of actually changing fate. Not kind of skewing fate like king crimson, no, COMPLETELY above it.
What people fail to understand is that Pucci's ability isn't even slightly related to SPEED. It's GRAVITY, and always has been. When he achieves Made in Heaven he says "The power of gravity is compelted." or something along those lines, he's using the gravity of the entire universe to accelerate time up until it reaches a GRAVITATIONAL singularity. The acceleration is just a result of wibbly-wobbly gravity stuff.
Not only is Pucci wounded and tired while chasing Emporio, the universe isn't accelerating at the rate it was before. It reached the point where it reset to pre-accelaration thus Pucci is not longer moving at an infinitely acceleration speed. Thus his pace in chasing Emporio is Pucci being careful and conserving what energy he has and because he cannot chase him at the speed he was chasing pre reset. Pre-reset Pucci's perception was normal as far as he was concerned, all living things were still moving at their normal pace, but everyone else's perception was lacking because the world around them was accelerating so quickly. When Pucci was hit with the knife, it's as easy as understanding that Pucci could tell Jolyne had thrown the knife, but as soon as the knife was no longer held back by her pace it came flying at him at that accelerated pace. He did try to dodge, but since his acceleration is the same rate as the knife it was a little too late to fully avoid.
When pucci walking transitioned to the miner that was the funniest shit ever 💀
Pucci's stand is part horse
The horse is fast
But it doesn't have the same perception as Pucci
Imagine Pucci's stand is pushing/pulling him around, he is fast but his perception isn't
This video perfectly summs up the experiance of debating Pucci vs any character.
I just always wondered why the sun never exploded in between the start of time acceleration and the end of the universe. Unless by that point it was accelerating so fast that it immediately went from that to the singularity point
From what I read discussing his ability, I completely understand his stand powers. So he basically just Accelerate time to the point of Infinity where the universe is completely resetted, simple as that he can ACCELERATE TIME to the point of infinity. I don't understand how so many People Misunderstood his Stand power, he can accelerate time like a fast forward button on a remote control.
lil bro a trackstar
When kaleb drops a video it’s a good day
Just remember. If you're not Jotaro then your stand stats do not correlate to your physical capabilities.
This is really good writing. Pucci is a normal person who is given speed when he uses his stand. He is not always fast, thus his reaction speed is not always fast. And like you said if he doesn't see, or notice, an attack he won't be able to activate his stand and react to it.
If Dio give pucci vamp then yeah Pucci be broken
The infinite speed on the stand stat most likely refers to his abilities speed, which is infinite, rather than his actual speed. Just like how GERs stand stats refer to his ability, and not physical capabilities.
But the knife would've been accelerate by the same amount as pucci that's why he couldn't dodge it.
I think the best analogy for Pucci is that one species of beetle that moves so fast that everything they see becomes a blur, forcing them to stop every few feet to figure out where they went.
Now add on how Pucci is probably also splitting his ability between himself and the universe.
Think about it; if Pucci's time was synced with the universe, he would be able to blitz everyone but die of old age mid-fight.
So, Pucci focuses half of his ability on the universe, and the other half on only himself relative to normal people.
That means Pucci HAS to be vigilant of the environment changing, or he then has to spend more time dodging obstacles instead of his mission.
I’m pretty sure it been stated for some stands that the stats are for the stands abilities not the stand or user itself. So maybe the infinite speed stat is referring to the time acceleration ability itself and not the enhancement Pucci gets from it
Stand stats are for Stands and not the user, true, but that is irrelevant to Pucci's speed.
The enhancement he gets from it is the time acceleration ability itself, that's the thing. The way his power is stated to work is that he accelerates time for everything else except other living beings, as in, anyone else but himself. He is accelerated along with everything else. Therefore his speed enhancement = the acceleration.
So it doesn't matter that the stat is based on the ability; it still affects Pucci's resulting own acceleration at the exact same level. The reason he is still able to be hit is that once thrown, objects no longer in contact with living beings accelerate as well to the same degree, so he is no longer fast in relation to those, and as such it isn't any easier for him to dodge them as it is for anyone else you'd toss, say, a knife at.
So basically Pucci is incredibly fast but his perception is at least superhuman. He doesn't have infinite perception like someone like the flash does. His brain does not work as fast as infinite speed itself.
Pucci is insanely fast but has human level perception of reacting to things like a human; boom, saved you 8 minutes.
i love how he puts kizaru up there as a "really fast character" while that man has been held at
gunpoint on multiple occasions
Honestly was kinda weird that he has infinite speed but like he couldnt catch up to the dolphin carrying emporio or still had to catch up to the gang when they catapulted themselves or whatever. Maybe his maximum capacity is infinite but he has to like rev up to it like an engine of a car that increases in speed but infinitely?
Yessir
Living beings aren't influenced by Made In Heaven. They explicitely mention that. Hence why Pucci was incapable of getting to the dolphin with Emporio on it.
No he’s still human. Maybe if you paid attention to the dialogue you’d know why
That’s how acceleration works, and especially when the whole squad kept pulling up tricks and sneak attacks. Even if he could infinitely accelerate time, his human instincts remain the same, being hella fast doesn’t help u if u never had ultra instincts
@@hermano8023 wrong and im tired of explaining this you have like 50 people who have explained it. How can yall be so fucking dull
I just wanna say that the editing on this video is great. That's all, please keep making the great content
I just understood that pucci in that time acceleration lived like trillion of years...
TLDR;
Speed : Infinite
Reaction time: Normal
Alright I’m surprised y’all haven’t realized this but the way puccis stand works is that he can only blitz and do all that fun stuff once he starts a universal acceleration, the reason why he didn’t blitz emporio is because he couldn’t without the universe accelerating, it’s why in the end he declares he’s accelerating the universe again in order to kill him, which then follows with pucci trying to blitz emporio
He travels inside of the accelerated time, he can’t just be fast asl normally, he can only do it once he engages a universe acceleration
Does Pucci percieve time differently than everybody else? If so, that would mean he spent days, years, eons, or whatever else as an active participant in the battle with no breaks and spoke really, really slowly during his lines of dialogue. I always figured that his ability was specifically to create and move within accelerated time, meaning he could move at a speed relative to the universe but still percieved time the same way as everybody else. Was there something I missed confirming that he actually percieves accelerated time?
I am still wondering what did Pucci done in all of these days of accelerated time (if he's actually only slowing down living creatures from his POV), also I want to mention that how if he's living in accelerated time, how does he speak to the team?
so basically pucci just goin
"I'M ONLY HUMAN AFTER ALL"
Its not that he has bad or normal reaction, he has reaction that corresponds to his speed. Its just that although humans were sped up, objects weren’t. Knives, or bullets would travel at him at his relative level of speed, so if he couldnt dodge it with his normal speed, he wouldnt dodge it while fast either. With emporio he wasnt accelerating time, so he wouldnt be able to just blitz him, their speed was relative
The reason puchi gets hit by the knife is because it's moving at these accelerated speed as well. Pucci's infinite speed stat is just because of the time acceleration. Other non living things also move at these speeds. And the reason pucci doesn't use made in heaven against emporio is explained, once time acceleration starts, emporio will inevitably escape him, and he only uses it as a last ditch attempt after everything else else fails, and be was outsmarted.
problem with the perception part is, Pucci dodged a point blank bullet, and star platinum's barrage, which is light speed soooo, and the problem with him getting faster over time is, he accelerated time and just went fast around emporio, third is he didnt speed blitz emporio because he didnt think he needed to
The hitmarker sound at 2:04 is phenomenal
His power is literally the plot of "Spy Kids 4D: All the Time in the World"
We are also not looking at the fact that with realistic time it he only had his power for like what, less than 10 minutes before the emporio chase?
Most of the other speedsters have had their powers for at least a couple of months or get this off screen training arc where they'd also have it for a couple of months. We are mostly looking at if pucci was given the same amount of time with mih and not pucci within 10 minutes of having his power. He'ass simply not used to the speed yet, but could easily keep up after having his power for more than a week
My take on speedsters, and really cases like the Flash and Pucci is really similar to this. People are always complaining "they should be able to react to this" or "the writers really nerf the characters" or "they can think faster than light, it makes no sense for them to not be the strongest".
And 9 times out of 10, the situation involves someone whose speed is active/conditional getting caught by surprise. Infinite movement speed doesn't mean infinite perception. That's why Pucci gets tagged with a knife, that's why Deadshot can put a sniper round through the Flash's leg. Even if you can dodge a hit with infinite speed, you can't dodge shit if you don't even know you should be dodging something.
On the other hand someone like Spiderman would never get hit by a surprise attack like these, because his spider-sense is explicitly warning him about imminent threats of any kind. Even without super speed he can dodge point-blank gunshots not because he's faster than the bullet, but because he gets out of the way before the bullet is even shot. GER would fall under that category I believe, preventing an attack before it has been enacted.
My theory as to why he didn't just accelerate time while in the prison might be because it's something that you can't stop, like once the stand power is activated it gradually accelerates time until the universe resets, and maybe Pucci wanted to make sure that Emporio was in the ghost room before he started accelerating time so he could make sure he wouldn't evade him, after all he did accelerate time while in the ghost room.
But I might be wrong, I only watched the anime so I could have missed a panel that explains Pucci's ability
How does people have trouble understanding that Pucci's stats are not his stand's stats. While he can react quicker he first need to know what to react to, and even with that his stamina and speed are his human qualities, he is only as fast in reaction and speed as he humanely can. Jolyne explicitly says it when she sends Emporio with the dolphin.
So basically his body accelerated with time, but not his mind? Relatable.
Pucchi can only speed blitz if he speeds up the universe, he did not want to speed up time at that moment
Pucci didn’t speed blitz Emporio because he knew where he was going. He was doing his classic Villain “Monologuing while I hold ultimate power over my enemy” moment! Then Emporio gets the drop on his and he immediately goes for the kill, but it’s too late
For why he didn't blitz Emporio, didn't he slow the universe back down to kill Emporio? Doesn't that mean he needs to accelerate time again? Remember, he didn't instantly accelerate the universe, it went faster and faster as in "accelerating"
I've always believed that just because he's fast as possible for his body to handle, it doesn't mean his preseption is that fast.
Pucci so fast, he pulled a Mario speedrunner strat and flew to his parallel universe home planet before dying.
That's a good theory actually, Pucci isn't the most physical person so it tracks he would get winded and eventually tired from experiencing the time/speed acceleration himself.
In stark contrast you then have Dio, who is strong(albeit from inhuman means) and Jotero gets lumped in here too, both of them are physically strong maybe equal so to their stands, the same way that polnerif is himself a sword master, but also so is his stand. In fact when Jotero got reverted back to his child self he still ora ora ora'd the guy to near death, so Jotero was not weak, he had some strength himself.
So the human limits, feats and skills of the users really does need to be pulled into question when discussing stand strength, because stand stats really are just the stands stats, not the users.
And thus does not mean those stats one to one confer to the user too.(unless its a stand you can fuse/hide in your body for example, maybe then it would? but that's a different thing to address separate to user limits, skills and feats.)
He is tired because he had to swim 50km under water
Plus running and time acceleration does not make it easier for him, it just speeds up everything he does
@@ehwouldntuagree8442 Exactly, just how Jotero himself had strength and at least 2or 3 points in part 3 hit enemies with his own fists instead of the stand and still made an impact, in terms of video game builds pucci is more like a INT build. He has insane power but not that much stamina or durability if he gets hit(as we can see when he is pacing the halls the knife cut him deep where as for other characters it would of been less impactful)
I think the best reasoning is this:
An opposite of Girono's mind acceleration.
Because (To my memory) Gold Experience speeds up peoples minds, right? Makes them think faster then their body moves.
But, with Pucci and MIH, its the opposite.
Pucci's mind CAN'T perceive everything relative to the speed his body is moving at.
If I remember (I haven't looked at part 6 in a while, forgive me.)
All the attacks from the crew, were PLANNED with Pucci's speed in mind, aiming ahead. (I think)
Therefore, if we assume his perception and reflexes aren't sped up accordingly, he couldn't have time to process and react.
Pucci always two steps ahead
As your viewers are pointing out, his speed is relative to the speed of the Universe.
The moment the knife leaves Jolyne’s hand it regains it’s speed equivalent to the speed of the universe around it.
When Kaleb was showing a quick montage of fastest characters, he should have shown the Linkara running gif.
I mean Pucci knew that Emporio was fated to repeat his actions from what happened in the prior universe. He found himself to be in no apparent threat and was simply screwing with him, as he was explaining to Emporio the fate that was predisposed for him. He found himself to be victorious by this point since Emporio was “stuck” in his fated actions and so was just chasing him until he “inevitably” finished him off for good. Also, he didn’t want to accelerate past a certain point to where there could be some point where Emporio’s escape would be a risk; keeping him in the prison ensures that Pucci can follow him to his fated destination in a “controlled” environment. However, obviously this ended up being out of his control as fate worked against him, changing in favor of Emporio and the Joestar will. Also, some other people have explained the parts where Pucci gets hit or caught off guard and pretty much all of the notable points involve inanimate objects which are also being accelerated alongside the rest of the universe, while he’s caught off guard, and also having increased acceleration from being projected (I.E. the knife had an initial force from Stone Free’s arm which is negligible on its own, however it’s then accelerated at a speed scalable to Pucci himself and the rest of the universe since it’s nonliving living). Another example would be Pucci trying to catch Emporio and Jolyne (initially) on the dolphin, however the dolphin is also being accelerated by the ocean’s current which allows them keep ahead of Pucci whilst the current is moving at an accelerated speed like Pucci himself. It’s possible that people forget that it’s not just Pucci himself that is accelerating, but also the rest of the universe that is most nonliving, which is what is consistently shown in the parts where Enrico is caught off guard. Even in Pucci’s defeat, Weather Report‘s oxygen purification had taken hold and took an effect on his body at an accelerated rate scaling to himself since it’s not just Pucci that’s moving fast, but most of the universe as well.
It’s possible that people forget that it’s not just Pucci himself that is accelerating, but also the rest of the universe that is mostly nonliving, which is what is consistently shown in the parts where Enrico is caught off guard.*
Speaking of speed, y'know something that's bugged me for a while? It seems like a LOT of Stands' speed stats are based off of a single thing: Silver Chariot vs Hanged Man. Hanged Man was one of the few times in JoJo's we got an actual real world metric to compare to, because it's just light, so it should move at the constant speed of light. Like think about the amount of Stands whose speed stats pretty much just scale off of each other and trace back to Hanged Man, it's a ton of them. (Specifically pre universe reset). As an example, Gold Experience is slightly slower than Sticky Fingers, who is similar in speed to King Crimson, who is faster than Silver Chariot, who is faster than Hanged Man, who is Lightspeed, therefore, Gold Experience is FTL.
The goofiest part is the the WHOLE DAMN POINT of the right is that he COULDN'T match hanged man's speed, so he had to make a scenerio where his blade was situated in the ONE place hanged man could go after the other people closed their eyes. It's like people forgot the actual challenge he had to face.
This is true but it should also be noted that Star Platinum is specifically stated to be faster than light in stand stats
@@thunderspark1536 people forget the literal end of this fight but always remember Kakyoin's "there cant be a mirror world" speech
@@arknorth5581 Exactly. It's so stupid.
@@thunderspark1536 average jojo powerscalers, they just want everyone to be ftl they dont pay attention to the show. i mean they didnt even understand why pucci got hit with the knife even when it was demonstrated multiple times how non-living things accelerate with pucci
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I think there is some sort of middle ground. I agree with the statement that the knife was moving at the high speed of the universe, but if you guys are forgetting (thank you Kaleb for putting this scene in the video or I would have forgotten) that Emporio fires his gun at Pucci, and he effortlessly dodges. If Pucci really did have perception relative to the speed of the universe, or something like that, he would have just fucking died. I know Emporio isn't some professional shooter or anything, but you can tell Pucci is moving to avoid the bullets, and if his perception were that of a normal human's, he would have just been shot. We also know Pucci is able to perceive the bullets because if he just anticipated that Emporio was going to fire the gun, but couldn't react to the bullets, he would have just moved very fast behind Emporio to avoid the risk of getting hit by any bullets.
I think that the answer can be chalked up to 2 things:
Visual Perception
and/or
Fate Manipulation (Plot BS)
One theory that I came up with is that Pucci can perceive things at a very high speed, greater than that of which he is moving even. However, since he is moving relative to the universe and he was looking away from the knife when the knife hit him, if he moved his head to look toward the knife, it would have been to him as if time was normal and Jolyne threw a knife at him at normal speed when he wasn't looking. I think that since his perception appears to be faster than his ability to move at this point, since he didn't turn to look at the knife in time, it came at too fast of a speed since his body is slower than his perception. When it comes to hunting down Emporio in GDST, since time acceleration had just begun, he wasn't able to move fast enough to catch Emporio. With pushing the stand DISC into his head, his perception may scale relative but not equal to the speed of the universe or something. Or possibly fate manipulation, which I will touch on below. (All just a theory)
The Joestars have Fate Manipulation because "the side of justice and righteousness must prevail" and all that cool "duty of the Joestar lineage" stuff. So Jolyne's knife might have hit Pucci because the Joestars are fated to eventually overcome this evil yada yada. Also, Pucci may have pushed the DISC into Emporio because "the actions of the Joestars up to this point have prepared Emporio to be victorious over evil, even though the Joestars weren't presently there combating Pucci, their actions still caused Emporio to be in a winning position" or something.
Also a possibility, Ghost Objects may not be affected by time acceleration and Pucci was able to react to the bullets because they were just normal because he made the ghost of those objects from a time where time acted upon them normally. This might explain why even though Pucci was speeding up time after resetting the universe, the objects didn't fly out of Emporio's belly button or fall quicker than normal out of his hands because time was acting normally on the objects since they aren't real objects now.
ALSO, Star Platinum is faster than Stone Free and since Pucci could react to all of Star Platinum's attacks, you can't chalk this up to "Pucci having normal human perception."
Rant, concluded. Let me know if I have any errors.
I’m pretty sure for pucci, it basically just feels like time is slowed down, but it still takes time for it to slow down
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Movement speed vs reaction speed vs perception speed vs processing speed.
While I agree with some points some things I believe you didn’t take into consideration. For example he was able to easily dodge jolyne and STAR PLATINUMS punches but he not the knife due to the being accelerated also. This also makes sense as to why he could dodge emporios bullets but not the knife.
With this pucci reaction time is definitely faster than without accelerated time however the objects he couldn’t dodge without being fast he still couldn’t dodge while being fast.
Super easy way to explain it would be if your playing an online game, you go up against someone who is lagging horrendously and they APPEAR to be teleporting, but to them (pucci) they are moving normally, and thus other peoples actions appear slow to pucci, but to others pucci apears fast, time is relative to the user (pucci) and everyone else has to play around that.
So recap: pucci simply percieves time as normal while everyone else percieves it as unimaginable speeds.
You can think pucci infinte speed like this. maiden heaven moves with speed of time as the time moves on the speed increase it does not end until pucci wants to end it(yes even after in singualrty point of the universe)
I crossover battle that would be interesting is pucci vs peril because if he gets close, he dies, he melts, but he never tried to throw an object at anyone in the final battle of jojo, then would the object melt and if so would it pierce peril while melted.
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I thought Pucci explained that he didn’t want to accelerate time in order to not mess up his new universe or whatever meaning that he couldn’t zip around, I believe his speed depends on how much he accelerates time. Also it is said that time acceleration only affects non-biological things or objects and stone free threw a knife at pucci which is not alive so it’s force gets accelerated plus stone free’s strength so the knife is basically equivalent or a little beyond pucci’s speed and perception though I don’t understand why emporio’s bullets didn’t accelerate. Or it was because he saw it coming unlike the knife. Plus during the last standoff between Pucci and Emporio, he started zipping around the room when he said that time has been accelerated again because he was probably tired of it
I thought Pucci has atleast above light speed, but couldn't catch up to the dolphin coz the concept of breathing (speed of oxygen loss and carbon dioxide build up) kept him from going too fast to catch up to the dolphin. Evidence of him being this fast is through him dodging point blank, lightspeed star platinum punches during his death scene.
To everyone who doesn't understand made in heaven abilities.
Pucci is capable of manipulating the gravitational forces of the entire universe, his stand is an evolution of C Moon. Made in heaven is a stand based on the theory of relativity made by Einstein, which says that gravity is a distortion of the space-time.
Therefore, made in heaven is capable of manipulating the very concept of time, gradually accelerating it.
The only ones who can synchronize with this new passage of time are inanimate beings, and pucci himself. While to other people, time will seem extremely fast, to those synchronized with it, everything will seem normal. And with each moment that passes, the speed of time will increase in a multiplicative principle, if pucci traveled at a speed of 10km/h, he would have the speed of a bullet train. (30 times faster than his normal speed), a car traveling at 60km/h would have a speed of 1800km/h, and a car traveling at 100km/h would have a speed of mach 2.4 (the speed of sound).
And at each moment, the multiplier will grow to infinity, increasing the speed of everything that is synchronized with accelerated time. That's why pucci can reach extreme speeds, since his base speed, which reaches a surreal number, is multiplied by a multiplier just as large. Meanwhile, the entire universe will live its life, and will die, but soon be reborn, thus creating a new universe.
Pucci can also control temporal dilation, meaning that his perception of time can be slowed down when he needs to dodge blows. normal, to talk to other people during the accelerated time. and accelerated, so he don't need to live billions of years until the end of the universe. Making this stand one of the strongest powers in fiction.
Question 1: why he can't dodge a knife ?
The knife in question is an inanimate object, so its speed was multiplied as much as that of pucci, then, In Pucci's perception, it would be as if he had to dodge a knife thrown at him at close range, by surprise, which he was barely able to react to.
I'm pretty sure the 'infinite speed' stat just means that MiH could theoretically keep accelerating time for eternity assuming nothing impeded its progress, so in a sense there isn't a real limit to how fast he can move
He also got outswimmed by a dolphine
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It’s in the name, he just accelerates, he doesn’t blitz around because it’d take him a while to get to that speed, he accelerates, he doesn’t just control when he wants to go he has to go slow first.
If anyone else is still struggling, this is an easy way to get your head around it:
The horse can only move as fast as the cowboy lets it, and it can only go wherever he pulls the reins.
Made In Heaven has infinite speed, but Pucci does not. As a close-range Stand, it's tied to Pucci's position, so it can only close the distance as fast as a priest can. Pucci doesn't gain any speed from Made In Heaven, just like owning a horse doesn't make a cowboy inherently as fast as a horse. No matter how fast Pucci _appears_ to be moving from the audience's perspective, from _his_ perspective he's just walking around - barring people, the rest of the world moves at normal speed in his eyes.
Second, unlike Whitesnake and C-Moon before it, Made In Heaven _can't_ be assumed to have a certain level of autonomy. After evolving, Pucci had to directly command C-Moon, whereas Whitesnake could move and act without Pucci present. If the Stand's autonomy was limited again after reaching its final form, it's stands to reason that MIH can act only on Pucci's will or instinct. This means it wouldn't be able to use its infinite speed to block attacks on its own - directly evidenced when the knife Jolyne threw hit Pucci's face. The knife hit Pucci because it got accelerated the moment it left Jolyne's hand - to Pucci, it was hidden in the water, then flew up suddenly, moving as fast as a thrown knife would be moving. If MIH was autonomous, it would have blocked or deflected the knife, but since it didn't do either of those, we can assume it _can't_. Another piece of evidence is that time Pucci was crumpling from oxygen toxicity in Emporio's ghost room and MIH just kind of... _let_ Weather Report beat the shit out of him. Autonomous Stands like Echoes Act 3 or GER would not let that happen, but since MIH does, we can assume its actions are directly tied to Pucci's commands.
What it boils down to is that Made In Heaven _does theoretically_ have infinite speed, but because of Pucci's ties to it, it's limited to moving at a pedestrian's speed and acting at the speed of thought. This is why "Pucci Vs. speedster" fights, 9 times out of 10, go to the speedster - MIH's time acceleration is exponential, so it doesn't immediately nullify the speedster's powers, and Pucci's human reaction time is too slow to stop Sonic the Hedgehog from running up and spin-dashing a hole through his chest.
(Also don't ask me how Pucci survived even 20 minutes from the audience's perspective because if time really was accelerating that fast he'd die from old age _WELL BEFORE_ the universe resets, or at the VERY LEAST he would have reached the "eventually he stopped thinking" threshold. I mean, think about it - from your perspective, time's moving completely normal, but _EVERYONE ON EARTH_ is moving at a rate of 0.00001Fps, which makes them near impossible to communicate with, and they're all constantly slowing down further and further until you have to personally observe the collapse and rebirth of the universe.)
You gotta admit he's kinda fast
The only reason he gets so fast is due to the infinite acceleration... unless that is activated, then he doesn't get the super speed boost... your right to say that he isn't all that fast himself but rather his ability can make him fast... (Also, he didn't activate his ability while chasing after Emporio because in his mind, if the kid got away once... it could happen again... The safest thing to do is not to accelerate time until I know he's dead)
Its all about relative velocity. Pucci is able to move at the speed of the universe, although others move at their normal speed in the environment within the universe moving at higher speeds. To Pucci, he has infinite speed, even though he is still human. In the perspective of the universe, time is essentially sped up, meaning if something such as the knife was to move at a constant velocity towards Pucci, it would take 2 seconds. Although under the effects of Made In Heaven, that time is infinitely shorter due to the acceleration of time. This means that even though Pucci has the ability to move at the speed of the universe, the knife did as well. That is why the knife didnt take his head off, only cutting him, also why he could not react in time. As to Pucci the knife and him are moving at the same effective speed, as if it was without the time acceleration at all. Basically Jolyne threw a knife at Pucci and he couldn't react in time, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
What I think is Pucci’s ability is like is the function in idle games where you click on an acceleration ability and makes everything faster at will. When pucci uses made in heaven, not only is HE getting faster, but the environment is getting faster by default as well as he is going. Which means, technically, this ability is kind of balanced to an extent. Pucci has a lot of speed (no shit), but the moment he does some stupid mistake like landing into someone’s fist or accidentally accelerating a knife, he WILL suffer the consequences. And he doesn’t have enough reaction time to deal with shit like that. And he will get inflicted by damage much more than the attacker expects. He has a lot of dodging potential. But weather report absolutely has the most creative counter to him. And to explain it, it’s like saying,
Going super speed will make you almost invulnerable to getting hit by attacks but the moment you crash into a train you are done for.
Or maybe,
Goku has ultra instinct right? But can he dodge a nuke?
Weather report has the ability to affect the area around him, and he just poisons the air with pure oxygen. Puccis ability does nothing to counter it, because even though you would think he can accelerate time to fucking run from the attack, all he does is accelerate the poisons deadliness. Meaning that sometimes, puccis ability is a blurse.
Sometimes you would think super speed would be cool but imagine you slip on ice and you accelerate into the cosmos 😂😂😂
I think what MIH’s “infinite speed” means is that it has to no limit to how fast it can go or how fast it can accelerate time
Dudes spinning in circles before attacking
if he got inf speed then that means hes faster than light, meaning when he goes fast mode, hes not seeing anything at all