CROSSFIRE and Chinese X79, too!
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2019
- Is Crossfire ever a good idea? Are Chinese X79 boards still a good idea?
No... almost never. But that's not going to stop me.
But first... What am I drinking???
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And for an encore, I've got a From Astoria With Love from Fort George (Astoria, OR). A Russian Imperial Stout that doesn't skimp on the chocolate, coffee and bitter nuances. Terrific if you like this style of beer.
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Anyone else focused on the levels of his beer between cuts...
1620v2 has a locked multiplier, only 1650 1660 1650v2 1660v2 1680v2 has an unlocked multiplier.
also 1620
@@combatantezoteric2965 jup. Just not 1620v2
Strange. My 1620v3 is unlocked.
@@ChristianStout thats haswell
@@ChristianStout not ivy bridge
Excellent coverage! The 1620V2 is the odd one out, it is indeed fully locked. 1620 isn't, and also the 1650V2, 1660V2 and 1680V2. With the regions, I had a look at the buyer feedback and hands-down, most of these parts, go to Russian customers. They are also covering these parts almost daily on many channels, so I guess in that market the value must be decent. I think without that demand, the prices would be much better, many of the top-end processors are poor value and AM4 is indeed a better option for many regions. Shame that CF didn't perform better...
Huh. I was pretty sure the 1620 v1 was locked, and the 1620 v2 unlocked. Although Intel's official statement is they never unlocked any E5 Xeon chip ever.
☺️ yup, russia has some gaming benchmark videos on cpus nobody tests in the West
✌️😏 they have a video where a dirt cheap X3470 build can easily keep up with a very expensive 2600 in certain video games 🐢😃🐢
🙂 they sometimes list prices, sometimes the difference is between 3 times to 4 times the price
🙂 they like the 570 & 580 alot
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Yep, I found out the hard way, I thought the 1620v2 was unlocked, I had the Russian bios.. it's hard to find solid information as to which xeons were really unlocked.
@@CraftComputing I overclocked a 1620 on the PlexHD. 4.1-4.2 were stable.
Also AFAIK the BIOS can be modded regardless of the motherboard model as long and it is in fact an American Megatrends one, it's just does require a little more work as you must hex edit the values by hand and that could also enable the option to overclock both CPU multipliers and RAM speed and timmings. Also, even if anyone can use regular DDR3 memory on these boards the main selling point of the platform is the compatibility with registered DIMMs, which could be cheaper as long as the user is able to get local deals of those for next to nothing. I'm pretty sure that the results of this video are a bit misleading towards the performance of the platform and should be at least revisited after the issues encountered are addressed. Best regards!
Phil has a great channel glad to see you send him some love!
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dhgodzilla1
Old crap you need, Ebay gear fake builds!
Why you need that madness????? Running what???????????
@@lucasrem Fake my ass I have bought 75% of all my parts on ebay. Are you going to kick out 400$+ for everyone who can not afford to buy expensive new parts? What a dumb question & a sad attempt to throw sand at someone posting reviews of affordable parts & is usually pretty clear about what the parts will do for the price he isn't misleading anyone. Go troll someone else
Hey jeff! Thanks for all the great content and for being honest about where you think the best value is going to be. Also congrats on 100k!
I love Sierra Nevada IPA. Glad I could share that with you all. Happy 4th of July!
Cool to see an audiophile build, with some raspi on the side... I'd be all over it.
Just want to say how much I love your coverage of lesser-known CPUs. I built my first "true" machine around a dual-core Opteron, released before the Pentium D and Athlon 64 X2 came out. Performed rather well and without onboard graphics it overclocked beautifully. Around $120 at the time and gave me a top-end machine for 4 years.
Real good beers on this channel. If you are in Brazil like me, prices are absurd high for new parts. Importing from China directly is the way to have a good setup. Since the motherboard is cheap and the cpu and ram are used we dont pay importing taxes and can get a setup for a 1/3 or 1/4 of price.
Thank you very much for let me know about this fantastic bundle: x79 + Xeon.
I ordered a dual xenon board for $105.24 with free shipping. I found a pair of 8 core 2670's for $75.00
I'm going to use my set up for encoding large video files, disc ripping and armature video editing. I don't really game any more so I'm not really concerned with gaming performance.
Now buy one of those "mining" PSU and a random aliexpress M.2 and we will have the chinese master build
The thought did cross my mind ;-)
I do have kingspec nvme ssd from aliexpress its a beast
While this is a bit late, I did and still do have a use case for this board. I paired one of these boards with an E5-4657L V2 Xeon and 64GB of RAM to replace 4 older machines I ran as part of a Folding @Home compute farm. Those machines were 3 Phenom II quad-core and a single Phenom tri-core system with between 4GB and 12GB of RAM ea. The goal was to have as many or more threads and GPUs folding, but cut power utilization. It worked fantastically, and is in fact still running this workload alongside my Ryzen 2700x gaming machine.
I like how the cables look like they're UV reactive.
really like your builds man.
I do love the black and green theme! Totally agree the cpu rgb cooler don't match, should check those to 3xgreen led fans for the cooler. Otherwise loving the content with the used price/performance builds! Keep up the awesome content and dah Booze!
Best explanation and advice given on the recent Xeon vs Ryzen debates I've seen yet. Props given.
Overclocking the x79 cpus, had he been able to, would have shown pretty decent results. And even today the Intel x79 cpus are good for what they do (when overclocked to 4.4+ghz). yes other cpus performance is better, but is it necessary to get an enjoyable experience? No... I can say without a doubt that I don't have any reason to upgrade for the tasks im performing and the same goes for many others. With newer software and higher resolution games things are going to change of course. Heck I still have x58 motherboards that do great for the money (if you find good deals) at most tasks. Being better is one thing. Being necessary is another. At some point I'll upgrade. Maybe 2021... And at that point maybe I'll get a 9900k for $100.
Reason to upgrade right now from x79? No, as you said, they are still very competent performers.
Reason to buy an entire x79 (Mobo/CPU/RAM) setup off Ali or eBay? Absolutely not, the value just isn't there. And that's the point I was making in the video.
@@CraftComputing with where prices are going now on new products your right. Just saw a 2700x at microcenter for 200$ new.
Might be worth a look for me, I have an I7 3960X sitting idle since I replaced it in my system with a 12 core xeon.
Man ever since I watched the cheap Xeon build on Tech YES City's channel seems like all the pc tech channels are tinkering around with it. (though I'm not sure Tech Yes was first). Loving it though. I'm actually building one of them this weekend. Edit: I went with the Xeon E5 2420 V2. Not very high clocks and not unlocked but it does have 6C/12T which I am gambling is a good trade considering more and more of the modern games are seemingly less frequency dependent and are becoming more multi-core dependent. Also, I got my Xeon for $18.
DJ ArcForce
all titles now are meant for PS4, 4k@60
old fake Ebay China only Xeons, not better then any PS4, why spent money on that??????????
Hard to argue with this vid. I'm looking around because I'll have to upgrade my 10yo board at some point.
So, in 2016 I upgraded my 1366 Xeon 4 core to a Xeon W3690 6 core with an unlocked multi because price and the Gigabyte EX-58 Extreme has support for it. It's multiplier overclocked to 4.5 with a small bclk increase from 133-135. Works so well in 2018 (or was it 2017?) I bought a 1080ti.
Anyway, time is moving on, best start planning and this vid shows without any doubt when my next upgrade comes around it will be no more old tech, but I will keep my 1080 for now. My 1366 era tech has had a fabulous run.
Great vid btw!
Almost 100K subs! 8) And happy 4th July!!! 8-) Re the CPU, I was a bit surprised you went for the 1620 v2 as most discussion around the 16xx XEONs concerns the 1650 v2. Many here are saying the 1620 v2 is a locked CPU, in which case maybe that's why the multi option didn't show up in the BIOS, ie. perhaps it would if it had been the 1650 v2 instead.
I suppose the upfront appeal of the 1620 v2 is that it's half the cost of the 1650 v2, but that cost advantage is wiped out if it's locked, whereas the 1650 v2 would extend it's value via being oc'd (most users seem to report 4.5GHz as typical, though whether that's achievable with a Chinese mbd I've no idea). What's more, at $62 for the 1620 v2, which is locked, the 2650 v2 is definitely the better buy at that price level ($72 for 8c/16t? Definitely better than the 1620 v2, especially with modern games and APIs moving ever further into better supporting many-core CPUs, and in a manner that makes IPC less and less relevant).
Overall though, with only 4c/8t, the value of the 1620 v2 is pretty poor, but I guess you'd been expecting to be able to offset that with an oc. The CPU does have higher stock clocks than many other XEON options for X79, but the lack of cores/threads is going to hurt it much more in many titles.
12:30 - GTA V favours NVIDIA cards anyway so that result doesn't surprise me, while CF support in general these days is pretty woeful. Btw, with a 780 Ti and the bonkers-cheap 2420 v2 ($18), I get at 1080p/Ultra an avg of 107.6fps, with min 40.3fps, 1% Low 42.9fps, 0.1% Low 33.9fps. That's a 2X higher average, but interesting that the .1% low is almost identical. The 2420 v2 has 6c/12t but much lower clocks; I found CPU usage wasn't really that high, peaking a bit above 45% during the car chase, but I noticed that only 8 threads were active, so the other 2 cores going to waste. I also noticed that sometimes the thread parking was not optimal, ie. 2 threads on one core while another core was idle, though weirdly changing the screen resolution seemed to force the 8 threads to shuffle around so that each core had at least one thread. GTA V is a strange engine, I had higher CPU usage with a 4GHz 2700K.
Btw Jeff, get your head round this oddity: at 1440p/MAX (I mean every slider maxed, so it's exceeding the GPU's 3GB VRAM), the 2420 v2 showed unsurprisingly horrid Lows (6 and 2) though it was at least playable early-2000s-style most of the time, with the benchmark giving just under 70fps avg (weird) while just normal play was 26fps inside the guy's house, 22fps out in the street (I'm sure a GPU with more VRAM would solve this, will test with an RX 580 later, I was just curious as to what would happen). However, the 2700K system fell flat on its arse! :D Even the benchmark only hit 3.9fps avg (I cancelled the test, it was chugging) with 3 to 3.5fps in/out of the player's house. Why might this be? My theory is that, just maybe, with all the VRAM thrashing likely going on, the XEON system running the GPU at PCIe 3.0 gave just enough extra bw to cope with the I/O load, while the 2700K system using PCIe 2.0 wasn't able to keep up (ASUS Maximus IV Extreme, so it can do 3.0 but only with IB CPUs). I certainly wasn't expecting a situation where the 2700K would barf compared to the 2420 v2. I hope to be able to confirm this by testing with a 4820K on an ASUS R4E, so it will also be 3.0. Most curious.
Sniper Elite 4 has gained a reputation for one of the most well optimised games of recent times. GN speaks favourably of it in every review.
Definitely a good deal on that RX 470D though; did you flash the BIOS back to a normal version?
14:40 - You're absolutely right if AMD's new CPUs have the effect one might expect on used 1st/2nd gen Ryzen pricing and the Chinese sellers don't respond. Presumably what will likely happen then is their sales will tail off as people realise Ryzen makes more sense and then they will have to drop prices.
Re return, well no, not with a 4c CPU. :D But it's a pity you didn't test with something more appealing like a 2650 v2. However, Ryzen combos certainly do have some advantages. The deciding factor is probably just geographical location, places where good used deals are not available. I wonder though whether for some it's also the fun factor, something different to mess about with, freak out one's friends at 1440p. I've certainly been taken aback at how well my bundle performs which only cost 125 UKP for the CPU, mbd, 16GB/1600 RAM and 6-heatpipe cooler.
As for viable use, assuming a more sensible CPU like the 2650 v2, then those who like a mix of gaming and productivity may find it quite appealing (if as mentioned they're in a region where Ryzen & other alternatives are not available or too expensive). I just wish people would stop touting ruddy Preimiere/Photoshop numbers as if those grud awful apps are the be-all & end-all of productivity metrics - there are so many other apps people use, especially free ones like GIMP, Handbrake, Blender, etc. Gaming while streaming is also an interesting use case for these CPUs, as GN showed when they compared the Ryzen 1700 to the 8700K.
Speaking of productivity, I've ordered a dual-socket X79 Chinese board to try out two 2650 v2s, should be a giggle. I suspect it'll probably suck vs. a single 2650 v2 for gaming (Windows tends to behave poorly for gaming with dual socket mbds), but it could be quite the budget charmer for productivity stuff. I've also ordered a PlexHD single-socket X79 for general testing, and bagged 96GB/1866 ECC/REG RAM for only 96 UKP from a UK seller.
Down the road, I'll test the 2420 v2 with a 1080 Ti, because people keep asking about such pairings. :D And if the PlexHD does support SLI, I do have another... :}
Thanks for the excellent video! This whole XEON saga in recent months has been fascinating to observe. Intel must hate every second of it. :D
Oh my God that’s a lot of words. Anyway I really appreciated the info
I totally agree. The 2650v2 is a better bang for the buck. I am really thinking of trying one of these out for a daily use computer. Light gaming and then switch it to a nas. Also I noticed that Phil’s Chanel mentioned that quad Chanel ddr3 is very similar to ddr4 speed. So there is another bang for buck.
Has anyone done a nas review on this board yet?
@@user-x-00 I type fast. ;D And, well, there's such a thing as books; my scratchings are barely a dribble, hehe. :)
@@justaworkeryup636 The XEON scene has become a bit more muddled as of late with the equivalent of X99 chipset Aliexpress boards and relevant XEONs becoming more readily available, especially those that can be modded to run with an all-core oc (Tech Yes City has covered this). Also, some of the older XEONs have undergone some odd pricing changes, while it must be said that earlier Ryzen CPUs may make more sense now that AM4 boards can also be bought from Aliexpress. However, availability of used Ryzens varies a lot - not many where I am in the UK. Still, these XEONs continue to hold an absolute cost advantage; if one doesn't mind the power consumption and lack of newer features then they can certainly have merit. Just a pity that DDR3 ECC pricing went back up somewhat since I posted a year ago.
@@mapesdhs597 yes I am in Canada am prices are more then USA. This still seems like a good price as of today he only prob for me is amd is coming closer and closer to price of Xeon. The best part as of now unless I missed is the ram price now. And overall cheapness of this. It should be good for a few years at least.
I purchase a X79 motherboard from AliExpress , the name of the vendor is Altermiter, the board surprised me with native support of NVME M.2 which is bootable, I installed Sabrent 1TB NVME, and it boots up fast. I also surprised by the motherboard will support the PCIe bifurcation, this feature is considered a high-end board feature only happened to Ryzen Threasripper motherboard, you can put in an Asus NVME raid PCIe card into an X16 lane and let the motherboard bifurcation the lane into 4x4x4x4. Although I have not personally tried it on this board, I see the BIOS supports it. So far, everything runs well with this board with my DDR3 memory, a good quality board.
I would love to know what do you think about the X79-8D, its a dual cpu mobo like the one you already talked about before but with 4 channel ram
⛔ I have the same motherboard X79. How ever it displays the error "19" in the led panel. I have no video signal. do you know how to solve this issue? I think that I'll buy another motherboard. ⛔ Thankyou!
Great idea and video taking an 'educated guess' as to what looks like good/interesting components and applying your knowledge to getting it to work. To top it off, sharing your learnings. Thankyou and cheers!
As for motherboards the Gigabyte GA-AX370M-DS3H (rev. 1.x) was sold in the UK for 59 pound with a 30 quid Steam voucher. It will run a 3900x and with adequate case cooling overclock it somewhat. That is value!
Alternative use: Encrypted NAS Box, which can stream all your media throughout the house. Using Unraid for example. With enough memory it can even run a couple of VMs (linux, windows, hackintoshes,...) at the same time.
misteragony
What you need to host, weirdo guy too??? UNIX cloud shit on old gear??? why that???? VM bullshit guy?????
This is old ECC DDR3 bullshit, no modern I/O at all, pre 2010 gear!!!!!!!! fancy DDR, run slow weirdo shit.......Why spent money on that???????????????????????????????
@@lucasrem shut up
64gb of ram for $100, that was my reason for getting this board, and the fact that it will be a gpu rendering/compute system, so I could get away with a $30 cpu, otherwise, ddr4 price slides and ryzen 3xxx just killed all reasons to think of such builds.
Exactly buy an R5 3600+ B450M mobo and 16gig ram plus some cheaper parts around it and you have an amazing setup for a great price hence why im saving up for 5 months to get me a R5 3600+Gtx 1070 setup.
wow i got both one rx470D and the same cooler, thats cool to finally see a review of this cooler, i think its a fantastic value
by the way, the same cooler is on aliexpress for cheaper and you can get it with 1 or 2 fants too
Yeah, the cooler was originally suggested by a viewer, and pointed me to AliExpress. I didn't wait a month to have it shipped, and was happy when it showed up one day on Amazon. Definitely a good performer, but I just hate looking at it.
Same, i got 2 when i ordered 1 so cant complain
Hi Jeff, not sure whether it is only me but I see that most of the videos you upload have some issues with audio video sync. There is a slight delay in the audio and it can be seen through your lip movement. No issues with your content though, great content as always. Thank you.
Yeah, it's really frustrating. They're frame perfect in editing, and as this has been a regular problem, I test at recording and editing of every video. Most of the time, the rendered file is frame perfect, only for YT to desync by a couple frames. I'm uploading exactly the format they ask for, h264 and ACC.
@@CraftComputing it is dropping frames while encoding 4k?
It dropped a few this time, and I wasn't going to spend an hour last night re-rendering it after it finally completed a pass without crashing. #AdobeProblems
@@CraftComputing ah ok 👍
I had a system back with an FX-8350 ( @4,9Ghz,1,34V ) and with 2x R9 290X. I called it the Paks, named after a Hungarian nuclear reactor :D
I'd actually like to see how that cooler performs in an office oem style case. It looks small enough to fit in one at least height wise
It's like you didn't even watch The Verge's how to build a pc video....
I'm currently working on an X79 build. I have an Intel board that can overclock but the only overclockable Xeons are still pretty pricey and while the 1620 is pretty fast, it's lacking when it comes to core count. Is getting an overclocked CPU on this platform worth the compromise on core count or will a 3GHz plus CPU with 8+ plus cores with hyperthreading be a better option for the "long" run and better overall in value? I plan on pairing the CPU with my 780 ti.
"A like doesn't cost a motherboard, ain't it?!" 🗨😏🖥
Just ordered assembled, for Proxmox server: PLEXHD+2650v2+64GB(4 channel)@1866MHz for $218, std aliexpress shipping included.
5+ month since video is out. In Russia, second-hand Ryzen 1700 starts from $130, cpu only. At Aliexpress even Ryzen 3 1300x cost $105. Channel owner is trolling us. He needs more comments to rise in UTube statistics. ^_^ Wait a second... or may be it's systematic consumption of beer is able to open gates to alternative reality... Just kidding, nothing personal. Thanks for beautiful build and futuristic opinion.
Well, I bought Asus Rampage IV X79 board for 130€, Xeon E5 2690 for roundabout 55€ and GTX 1080Ti for 400€ last year and I'm still happy with it. I used my old DDR3 16 Gigs G.Skill 2133 MHz
Prices already dropped massively.
I ordered an LGA 2011 board for $47, an LGA 1356 board for $49, a 6 core 12 threaded Xeon e5-2420 V2 for $9 and a 8 core 16 threaded Xeon e5-2640 v2 for $29.
Pretty good value imo
Hope you included how to buy from taobao.
Yeah, also interested on this!
Contact those Taobao agents, just like he did if I remember correctly.
You are best man! Great content!
Use case that still applies a year and a half later: DIY NAS servers with video capture and/or transcode ability. Except I would recommend X99 boards for this purpose, and V3 or V4 Xeons. But, most X99 boards have five full size PCIe slots, even if they are only wired for x8. That means you can put a full size Pascal card on with NVENC, a video capture card, and three drive controllers, either hardware RAID or just SATA controllers and do software RAID management. That will let you load up the 15 drive bays of a Rosewill RSV-L4500 style chasis with all of the drive control cards running at full speed, albeit with a X8 connection for the GPU, but 3.0 x8 is still plenty fast for pretty much anything besides a 3080 or 3090. And a Haswell or Broadwell Xeon will have plenty of muscle for encoding 1080P or 1440P with good quality if you don't want to do the NVENC route.
The only real competition for that kind of expansion is a Threadripper, which while having more total PCIe lanes and therefore more full x16 slots, SATA or SAS drive controllers typically are only x8 anyways, so you really only gain the extra bandwidth on the GPU, which doesn't really matter for this type of build. And a used Threadripper setup is going to run you around 400$ for the motherboard + CPU on eBay at a minimum with a lot of hunting, while the X99 setup will cost you around 200$ if you go as cheap as possible, 300$ if you want a more blinged mobo and CPU. My Asus X99 WS/IPMI was only 190$ shipped, and that is about as fancy as you can ask for. I got a 6800K for 80$, and a 2660 V4 for 120$ shipped, which are about as beefy of CPU's as you would want. The 6800K for lightly threaded workloads, the 2660 V4 for heavily threaded workloads. I guess a 6950X would be the only other real upgrade, but that's a waste of money, because now you're in Threadripper 1920X territory, which is a way better workstation CPU unless you have an application that can leverage the iGPU.
X99 platform isn't dead yet. It's good if you don't really care about the CPU and just really want a lot of expansion slots for cheap.
Hello!
Thank you for your vidéo!!
Does this motherboard support SLI? with two NVIDIA cards? Or just CROSSFIRE?
I believe the last fastest CPUs to formally support xp are Ivy Bridge architecture CPUs (even the last FX did not compete). So theoretically the X79 platform would be the option to build the ultimate native XP gaming machine.
OS: WinXP Pro 32bit (64 was commonly not supported or needed workarounds last I remember)
CPU: 4960x or 1660v2
RAM: 4x1gb DDR3-1866
GPU: GTX Titan Black (sli)
My concern with the Chinese boards is finding appropriate XP drivers for the chipset and on-board integrated components.
what is that screen thing on top of your lian li case in the back right of the video btw?
Can't wait for my build hyped up my first PC build...xeon E-5 2689 same motherboard 32gb of ram nox case. But which power supply should I look for and graphics card thanks guys and I love your channel
Great coverage! I have an i7-4820K. Will that one work on this board and can you do a video on that please? Same board with an i7 and a decent videocard (1070 or so). That would be highly appreciated...
At this point I would sell the cpu and buy a new system. It's only a quad core and it likes power. Ryzen 3600 is where it's at.
I love this content!
i am curious if this build does have any specific use cases. are there any applications out there that would play better with X79 as opposed to more modern chipsets? interesting vid, keep up the great work
I'm drinking Rioja Reserva* while watching this. Hope that it counts ;)
With the Chinese Xeon boards you are probably better off with one of their combo deals, thanks to Phil testing my favorite game on it I'm gonna for the E2630V2 with board and 16Gb of RAM for just $99, this will still leave enough in my budget for an RX580, new 600w PSU, and a nice case to put it all in for around $300 shipped. Ryzen would be nice but there is simply no way in hell I'm gonna get a full Ryzen build with an RX580 for that price, not without seriously gimping on the CPU with something like an Athlon.
There's so many reviews of these boards on youtube but every one them examines the value of them from a game platform perspective in comparison to what's available today. There's still some of us that use desktop style PC's for non game use. What attracts me to this platform is the core count, ECC memory support, and number of PCI-e 3.0 lanes. My current most used system (although I have another) is a low spec 1150 H87 with an 8 port HBA in the 16x slot with currently 6x3TB drives and of course the 1x slot is blocked. Multiple ssd's in raid 0 as a scratch disk on the native sata motherboard ports. Of course I'm relying totally on the IGP for graphics. I'd like to build some sort of file server using freenas and zfs and perhaps 10GbE network and separate all this overcrowded mess and get my storage drives away from potential hazards of everyday usage activities etc. Any thoughts appreciated.
I have a i7 2011 3930k just laying around after the asus extreme IV board just died on me after just 2yrs of gaming only use and a mild overclock. my question is will the 3930 work with this board,I have memory cooler and every thing i need to build it already?
Thanks. I've been considering 'zen or an x99 mb (from aliexpress) all day. But, I suppose that the 2011 socket on the x99 platform is not going to be around longer. I'm finding that I am either paying $$$ for the mb or the cpu.
If it's a questionable idea, it's ABSOLUTELY a good idea!
That first sentence is what goes through my mind when I start to dc routers start school
What I love about those xeon is the quad channel ram access. Newer tech is faster clock but I wish it could also have wider ram access for workstation kind of load. Do you know of any?
Daniel Blanchard
Only multi users need Quad channel access or up, cloud solutions etc.
Quad channel, NOT this gen! intel 603 and up! This is cheap meant for China weirdo gear!
reading issues, why you need RUclips?
Why you run on systems?
@@lucasrem I do ecommerce and generally have 20-30 chrome tabs open with cloud apps running such as Shopify, Facebook business, Google Analytics, basic video app, Gmail, calendar, sip phone, and more. All the gear needed running for an average day of work. These tabs choke my average PC and I noticed, when tinkering with a xeon and VMs (currently an hp z620), that more cores give me a smoother experience with any given amount of memory. I am looking then at experimenting with a higher core count, a mild gpu (Rx 470 or equivalent) with 32gb of memory to see if my theory holds ground. Before I buy any hardware, I am looking for the optimal price/perf in hardware for this kind of load. Do you have any first hand experience with my situation? If so, what did you find out? Thanks man for your input, take care.
Congrats on 100k!!!
Check mark incoming! :-D
Actually got an X79 buid, and I live in spain, just slightly higher prices than US. I've to say that I'd have spent 150 euros more building a system like this with a ryzen 1600 instead of a 2630 v2... 150 € on an under 350 € budget that I was is huge difference tbh. For me, som X79 chips kinda make sense for extreme budget builders. 16GB of quad channel RAM + mobo + CPU 6cores 12 threads was 85€... hard to beat
The Chinese X79 boards still appear worthwhile in Australia. For example, a Ryzen 3 3200G (3.6GHz 4 core) costs $144 AU, while the Xeon E5 1620v2 (3.7 GHz 4 core) is $52 AU.
Another comparison... Ryzen 5 3600 (3.6 GHz 6core 12 threads) =$263 AU, while the same money will get a Xeon E5 2695 V3 (2.2GHz 14 core 28 threads)
Nice video, just want to correct the pricing. Just checked and 16gb(4x4GB for quad channel) + e5 2689 + x79 board is $164 not $250, so quite a bit of difference there. An R5 1600 + mobo + 16GB of 3000MHz would cost close to double, so if you are on a budget I'd say these xeons(at least the E5 2689) will be good for another 2-3 years and that's if you buy it right now. I'm pretty sure that in 6 months or this time next year we will see combo's like the R5 2600+mobo+16GB 3000MHz for $250 or lower and I'm talking new obviously. On the used market it will be even cheaper ;)
Actually, I've seen bundles of a x79 motherboard, 16gb of ram and a 8 core 16 thread e5-2689 or 2690 for like $140 bucks shipped on aliexpress
You mentioned you could get a Ryzen 7 1700, mobo, and ram for ~$250 but even 4 months ago I don't know where you were looking to find 1700's. I can't find any for less than $250 for just the CPU. Where did you see them for that cheap? I have been watching the prices and they have not come back down since Newegg sold out on them last year for black friday.
What about the dual x79 boards?are they still worth it today for high core count and high ram.
I am running x79 with E5 2689V2 processor. the cpu doesn't hit 115w TDP for over 3years now. can you suggest anything or take a look.
Only 265 more people till 100k!! Keep up the good work! Question tho, what is causing the studders? Is that a rendering issue when you render out the video?
Last night, yes, that was a render issue. Premiere was giving me fits all night after a recent update.
@@CraftComputing Ya, it can be a real pain sometimes. Glad to see the channel still growing. Do more home-server stuff plz :P
Always something in the planning stages for my home lab crowd :-)
Whats the max ram for that setup, might be good for video editing for cheap
Great review
quick question. whats the better option for gaming? $37 e5 2630 v2 @ 2.9ghz or a $30 e5 1620 @ 4.2ghz oc? 2630v2 is 6 core 1620 is 4.
Ahh I run a 1620 in my z620 test bench and a 1650v2 at 4.5ghz as my primary CPU. Love these Xeons.
Coalition Gaming
primary CPU, gaming weirdo??????
Just try to do a good old build first, GTX 1080 on some old intel k, skills you need, bottlenecking!!!!!!!!
@@lucasrem you made zero sense and it also seems you have the wrong idea about Xeon performance
@@CoalitionGaming while by modern standards, the 1650v2 isnt a high performer, it does perform exceptionally for the price, and with some luck, you can really push the frequency up. When i was still using it a few years ago, i pushed mine all the way to 5ghz
The color-scheme reminds me of the xfx 780i sli motherboard.
From a financial standpoint these kind of builds mad sense when ddr4 prices were through the roof, not so much now though, unless of course you get your cpu and ram for an insane deal!
I bought a knock off board, 32 GB, 1866mhz RAM 4 modules and an E5-2630 v2 for round about 200 €.
I needed a capable vm host for my NAS, Firewall and other appliances. I do think it is sufficient enough and worth the money. A b350/450 board starts at about 70 to 80 €, r5 2600 lies at around 130 bucks. A nice 32 GB DDR 4 costs around 110 €. If you add things up, i save a great chunk of money buying this build. Regarding over all performance the ryzen is nearly a third more powerful than the xeon but the the overall savings of 55% are right on the edge. I agree with you, the next time i build such a system and the prices are staying in that range, it will be not worth it. Right now its more or less preference and budget driven.
I wish more games would support CF. My second RX 580 sits at idle in most of my games.
in the heyday of crossfire around core2quad - x58, maybe half the AAA releases supported it at best, and then there was still microstutter and framesync issues, plus the premium price for the boards featuring it mostly to push the tech. Its never going to pick up again, sorry
you had no problems with the uefi bios on the 470 and the x79 motherboard?
I agree. As far as I know there are only a few deals right now which truly stomp ryzen:
- X58/X79 chips IF you already own the motherboard. Then the value is insane.
- 1366 / 2011 used dual socket systems. If you need many cores, there are good deals to be had. For example I bought a used supermicro dual socket system for 70€. Including the PSU. CPUs for those cost next to nothing (15$ a pop for a good Hex core), as well as RAM (you can use small sticks as the boards support up to 18 sticks, most of them 12 sticks).
For a media encoder this works wonder. Only issue: mine is a custom formfactor board in a very LOUD 1HE server case. However I will look into case-modding an EATX case
It's pretty much the same story with my i7-4820K (also X79). The only reason it still beats the 2200G in my HTPC is because I have overclocked it to 4.5 GHz and of course it does have four more threads. The Ryzen is still basically within striking distance though. Made me realize how much I need an upgrade to Zen2 Threadripper as soon as those come out :D
I would really appreciate it, if you could do a test of dual Xeon E5 2690 v2 with crossfire.
You had get in early on this Chinese X79/C602 trend for it to be worth the investment. It's a bit too late now. People selling old Xeons (V2s in particular) have raised prices higher than they were a year or two ago as a result of the new demand.
Fully agree that the value is rapidly disappearing for 'x79' builds however there is still one major advantage left.
Here in the UK you can buy 64gb of 1066/1333 ddr3 reg (4 dimms) for about the same price as 16gb of 2933/3000 ddr4 (2 dimms).
Hence, for home vmware labs. Chinese 'x79' is still the best choice.
yeha i mean 50€ for those motherboards... while i can get a b450 for about the same.
50-60€ for 16gb ddr4 and a nice 60-70€ ryzen 2200g or 2400g or 1300x/1200
@@reggiexp69
An e5 2650 v2 (~£60/$70) or e5 2660 v2 (~£80/$100) will smoke any of the 4 core ryzens in any multicored task with the added bonus of using ECC memory.
@@abxlabs5448 true didnt say it wouldnt but the prices of motherboards are just to much for what u dont get. overal xeon are fine but not worth it to make a full pc of it. even of aliexpress for a x58 you are paying pretty expensive for 2nd stuff...
i have the same DR90. Alseye makes also RGB kits etc. where you can actually control the colors etc. not too bad quality BUT kinda expensive
Question. What do you do for bios and mb drivers for these x79 an c602 china boards?
Unless you are willing to mess with Russian updates, nothing.
Just a question... would this platform be worth building if you were doing some type of dyi nas like freenas unraid nas4free and so forth?
Absolutely. Cheap ECC Registered memory, which is very helpful on FreeNAS installs.
Is there any use or performance boost for editings like FCPX or Adobe Premiere Pro?
Debjit Biswas
Here, we all use Final Cut pro, RUclips jobs!
On PC, Sony Vegas, What is the need?
RED 12 bit 4.4.4 levels, 8 bit RGB enough?
@@lucasrem I guess a Benchmark and comparison will be very helpful.
*special use case* (maybe) im looking at doing a freebsd/freenas setup and these boards support ecc memory and as far as I know freenas is optimized for intel cpus. So I was considering some version of these boards. Any suggestions or guidance to a possible better option?
FreeNAS has no preference towards Intel, and you don't need much CPU power. Just about anything will be capable of saturating 1gb. What you need is ECC. So an older Xeon server, or a cheap first gen ryzen board.
I actually may move my FreeNAS server from my i3-8100 system over to this board simply for ECC. I was considering putting one of my Ryzen CPUs on it, but getting 64GB REG-ECC in 4x16GB DDR4 is still prohibitively expensive. I might do a quick video on the swap, as this is definitely a valid use case for this setup.
I'm not currently running ECC because I simply couldn't afford it when I built the system. 32GB in a ryzen 1700, in the process of moving from ESXI to Proxmox right now. And it desperately needs another 32gb.
@@CraftComputing that would be awesome!! Could you include your thoughts on energy consumption and if you would consider going the lga 1156 or lga 1150 route as well?
I have an Asus X79 Deluxe system with an E5 2695 v2 12 core cpu and 32gb of ddr3 ram in quad channel. I've had it for about 2 years built from second hand components. You can still slightly overclock these cpu's by playing with the voltage etc. Linus did a review of my type of system and got good result on all 12 cores for video editing.
Its still a good system for gaming and VR development where the extra cores are utilised.
Sad to hear that the X79/Xeon platform is no longer viable compared to newer hardware.
Thanks for the review.
Mon Ham
What VM wear you run on this old crap? UNIX?
Only cloud solution need Quad channel, multi users!
Linus did E2699 v4 on 603, not this Ebay dumped on Ebay crap!!!!!!
Dude.. Did you try BIOS flashing the 470D as you said in the previous 470D video?
He did flash them. The performance gain wasn't that great.
I did flash them to the 470 BIOS, and saw ~6-8% gains. While benchmarking Crossfire, I did attempt to overclock, but couldn't find a stable config that made an impact in enough time. In one run, I did see an 18% boost in Fire Strike when overclocked. I think one of the cards was just having none of my tweaks though.
Damn, for a pale ale, that color is on point.
Hi, so is this motherboard able to overclock at all? Is it because your CPU is locked like other people have said or is there just no option in the bios?
There are no voltage adjustments, so it depends on the cpu, I had a 1650v2 oc'd to 4.1, replaced it with a 1680v2 and it wouldn't accept an overclock even tho it was unlocked.
I'm using the Kllisre X79 motherboard with a Xeon E5 2650 V2 and 32GB of 1600MHz DDR3 ECC REG memory overclocked to 1866 (worked for me) for about $200. I'm using this machine mostly with handbrake to re-encode video and move the process off of my main machine, not for gaming. It's not quite as fast, but it frees up my main machine so I can do other things and not slow down the re-encoding process. Might upgrade the CPU for more cores and clock speed to accelerate the process.
Do you have recommendation for those russian websites? I'm thinking of modding my lga1356 Klissre motherboard.
best wiki: xeon-e5450.ru/ use google translate in chrome
Just bought this mobo (v1.41) for £56 + E5-2690v2 for £10 + 64GB of reg server ram for £18. Other parts I had laying about doing nothing. Why? A cheap Proxmox 8 build, with 10 cores/20 threads and a ton of memory for VM's and containers.
Awesome detailed vid. I love the x79 platform as well but coming from different angle. I bought a i7-3960x with 32gb of ram. I think the sandy bridge, sandy bridge e and ivy bridge platforms are only worth while if you can overclock them past 4ghz.
However Ryzen is making to hard to make it worth while to build from scratch with these older platform.
You mentioned the faster ddr4. Do you think 2133mhz ddr3 working in quad channel could beat mid range ddr4 working in dual channel ?
Ive tried this with 2 RX 580s. It actually worked perfectly, but SO few games actually support crossfire :'( would probably make for a great workstation though
I have considered one of those boards for my FreeNAS machine. I'm currently running a Pentium G4400 with 16GB, but having more cores and threads available for jails or VMs along with really cheap ECC memory seems kind of compelling. Would you do it?
I ran FreeNAS on a very similar board for a couple years, and that's likely where this one will end up as well. 32GB REG-ECC is super cheap. Check out the E5-2650. 8c/16t, and you can get it as low as $25 on eBay if you shop around.
@@CraftComputing Used Xeons are a bit more expensive here in Europe, but thanks for the tip and the reply!
there are advanced sli software going out there, you might test there configuration of game gpu usage.
The only use case I can think of for an old Xeon over a first gen Ryzen is a Hackintosh but that's possible on AMD now too through virtualisation I believe.
You should do one of those dual socket 2011 boards, and stick crossfire on it. That would certainly be interesting to see. You could go with like the Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 core chips and have a 24 core 48 thread computer. Combined with like 590s or the 5500 cards in crossfire and it would be an absolute monster.
I love your builds. I actually am going to replace my current Chinese x79 motherboard with one of these. Reason being, it matches my purple green and black build better. Also because the 4 extra sata ports do not work on mine. Ive done everything I can think to get my drives to work on them but nothing works. Only the 2 6gb sata ports work.
You could try to unlock the multiplier setting with AMIBCP
what about the v3 series of chips? doesn't that offer you usb type 3 support?
What's sitting on the top of the pc in the background? I don't know what it is but I think I need it.
Divoom?
@@screensavinggamer9724 Thanks 👍