I run an older DDR3 Jingyue board for my NAS over here in China, and so far the only thing that annoys me is that the BIOS doesn't have any kind of option for "power always on" when connected to power. Really solid budget option overall though!
Using It as base for my small NAS. 6SATA onboard + 2SATA through m.2 WiFi slot adapter. Optane m10 nvme as boot drive (can replace it with m.2 formfactor 6SATA port adapter). This board can provide 14SATA without using pci-e x16 slot (10Gbps ethernet card for example). About cooling - thermalright axp-100 with narrow ILM kit works flowlessly. About CPU - there are already nicely modded BIOSes to do boost unlock and undervolting for V3 xeons. Works stable and cold. Fan control and C-states also fixed in BIOS I'm currently using. VRM radiator is not strong enough, but the main problem is chipset radiator. Replaced them with handmade radiators and now its DREAMNAS for me.
I'm sure that you've seen it, but this board seems like a reskin of the ASRock X99e-ITX. Those boards came with a Corsair liquid cooling adapter (h80/square top) mount for narrow ilm
Jeff, Thanks for the video. Your best videos, like my best data center experiences, are riddled with Murphy sittin' on your head and making sure you KNOW Murphy is there.
I have a very similar build, but I didn't limit myself to an ITX build. My system works great in a mid tower case, but then I was able to use a Hyper 212 evo V2.
Cost will be the RAM in that case. RDIMM is dirt cheap. If you want big RAM, go E5 (or EPYC). They support RDIMM. If you want gaming, you need fast RAM, not big RAM. Desktop platform might be better.
Came here to say this 🙂 . A used 3700x and itx B450 wouldn't likely support ECC, (ryzen was always in a gray area for ECC mem, but no registered DIMMs, and for sure no reporting). Otherwise, the price wouldn't be very different and it would likely be very reliable.
ive got a x470 r5-2600 server system that had both ESXI and now proxmox on it, it only runs a TrueNAS VM and windows 10VM that i use to RDP into for web/music from my garage thin client, data ingestion and printing/scanning from. its very stable with consumer RAM and for my admittedly light requirements has heaps of power.
High prices, compared to a couple of years a go. No upgrade options, crazy high TDP package if you want something decent. It is what it is unfortunately. And most of these 'cheap' chinese boards have a terrible VRM. Resulting in high temps. You are best off buying a cheap Ryzen system, maybe a little more expensive but better performance and heck of a lot lower power draw and you still have the option to upgrade it later. Thanks for the video !
I'm still on X99 myself but yeah, in 2023, they've kind of lost their appeal for most of anything anyone wants to do, even used price wise unless you're outright buying some cheap used enterprise rack server, then X99 is still a bit worth it just because it's more plug and play
The bang for the buck on these was off the charts for a long time, but yeah, it's finally to the point that they can't compete with current low-budget stuff.
@@CheapSushidepends on if you need port bifurcation. I unlocked the BIOS settings on my MicroATX X99 board for port bifurcation. The good news is that hopefully as these become a poor choice they should unload them 🤷♂️. I'm not holding my breath because they are obviously for markets that have Ryzen and Core 8th gen and up going for 2-3x what we pay. Where the v3 v4 Xeon 2011 are being retired and are basically free.
only dual memory channel for xeon I wonder how it affects performance? And fastest cpu would be 2696v3 with unlocked turbo to 3.8 and limited to 10 cores in bios as it's enough for games. there was in depth tests on Ukranian channel. Not sure how much wattage it would be pumping, maybe throttling in this case with that cooler as well
You’ve most definitely received an adapter ring to fit any am3 stock mount cooler that substantially widens cooling options, why didn’t you mention it?
And, mainly, why didn’t you use it with something like Wraith MAX? Also there’s bunch of bios mods to under volt this cpus that really makes like a 10C difference, should try that route also
Not to sure about this video and I''m guessing you probably felt the same? However, it's another great example of you're creativity in terms of the 'sponsers' section. Well done Jeff!
Probably my final update on this MB. I ditched the Silverstone SG13 case and along with it the Dynatron cooler. I slapped everything in a Fractal Node 304 case and a Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U cooler. Now this thing is whisper quiet. Before deciding to stick with the board I had a look around at other 2011-v3 boards and interestingly there weren't many that sported dual 2.5gbe networking like this one does. And i'd have had to bump all the way up to a full size ATX board by Machinist to get it. But since I wanted to stay small I decided to stick with this board, the Noctua cooler, and the Node 304 which I just finished installing everything in today. The Node 304 isn't an incredibly easy case to build in but it was, for my, by far the best option since i'll be running several 3.5" spinning drives in addition to NVME and at least one SATA SSD.
Any chance you could try a build in a bigger case just to see how it goes?? if you have one lying around that is. Cheers for the review...I love the look of that case its just a shame really.
ive been using a mini itx x99 mobo from aliexpress with a xeon e5 2683v3 and 16gb ecc memory for almost 2 years now. It has some smaller weird problems but im overall happy with it.
Good video man. Stopped me from buying this exact Mobo. For my budget itx build. So far I have a thermaltake cube v1 case and an SSD. Looking at guts right now for it!
How were you able to get the XMP to work on this board?. Also the sell narrow lga 2011 could adapters for these boards. I have a snowman cooler and it works fantastic.
Just got an h410 1151 matx Chinese board. Oddly, supports 6-9 gen. 4 Intel gens on one board. Runs fine, uses AMI bios, has an m.2, so I can’t complain. Four Intel gens on one board 🤯.
I did an x99 build with an EVGA x99 Micro 2 motherboard and I used the ID-COOLING SE-914-XT-Basic with a 92mm fan. I didn't have any mounting problems. I put it in the Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L case with the PSU front-mounted and one front intact, rear exhaust, and top exhaust 120mm PWM exhaust fan. Temps were fine, actually better than my Ryzen 3600/ RTX 2060 build in a case the same size with worse airflow. I think the NZXT H210i case would work for housing an ITX build like this one. it would be easier to cool the system and use standard components keeping the cost down. The ID-COOLING SE-914-XT-Basic is about $25 bucks most of the time and the NZXT H210i goes on sale for $60 from time to time.
So are these old X99 xeons good for anything anymore? besides gaming there's the problem of (afaik) no win11 support. So what then? ML? AI? if a 5700 already bottlenecks it IDK how good it can be for say stable difussion or LLaMA, maybe to compile stuff with those 20 cores some models have?
When testing the 8GB cards, please test 16x PCIe cards, as well as the 8x PCIe cards. Also, test with and without ReBAR. I'm curious on what all these variables actually mean for these "budget" 8gb gaming cards.
6600xt is doing fine in such system with 4ch ram, maybe in some benches it's a few percent less, but that difference is going away when you tweak it and slightly oc vram.
@@CraftComputing The thing I want to know is if I need to get a ReBAR compatible motherboard (and thus a full PC upgrade) to take advantage of these newer cheap cards that look like they may depend on it. (RTX 4060, Intel ARC series, both with x8 slots and less RAM.)
Yeah I rock a E5-2678 v3 (12 core) with turbo boost unlock and a E5-2683 v4 (16 core) in my proxmox home server cluster. Great in that application when you alot of cheap threads.
I tried this a few years ago with two haswell e5-2666v3 with full turbo mod and 1080ti in sli and games were CPU bound. It was a decent room heater during the winter though. Also, working with dual CPU was not great for SLI since you need to make sure they were on pcie lanes bound to one CPU. Spread across both cpus and sli would not function properly. I also tried tweaking the QPI but that didn't really help with CPU performance. But it makes sense considering single core speed is more important when it comes to gaming. As a VM host, the thing was a beast at the time for very little costs. The e5-2666v3 at the time were a bit above $100. I believe they were dumped by Amazon when they were upgrading their AWS infrastructure.
@@vadnegruOh, I could buy an E7-8895 CPU (those were the absolute beasts and were proprietary to Oracle servers only) for only 40 EUR last year too bad, that there are no compatible motherboards available...😀 Now, I am thinking about framing it and put on the wall as a decoration 😀
@@jb678901 If you asked, me: the 8895 is an 8 socket capable CPU (you can put 8 of those beasts into one motherboard...). It was really cheap to buy. TO play, I would not use DUAL Xeon CPU config. FOr that purpose the best is the E5 1680, or the 2667 v2. For home labbing, the more cores the better. SO for my server, I will buy a dual CPU board for sure.
I got this motherboard and for the life of me can't get the ethernet ports to work. the ones off the sketchy manufacture website don't work. which ones did you use?
PCIe port bifurcation is hard to come by, this would be a good system for running a Dell 4x NVMe PCIe card. Would love to know if 1650v3 is overclockable in this, you really need more clock speed. 3.5 may be max single core turbo, but what are we getting all-core? If a i5 or i7 or Xeon quad core 115x is stomping on it for games is it worth it?
I could see one of these being used as a NAS with one of those little ITX cases, sorta like tho one Linus checked out a while back. Could be great if you're a traveling video editor or something.
There's no more point to buying these old server parts for gaming when there are 11th and 12th gen combos (Xeon W-11955M, i7-12650H, etc.) available at around the same price. If you don't trust those mobile-CPU hacks, you can buy a Huananzhi H610 motherboard and an i5-12400T or even 13400T for not much more. These new 35-watt T models are great for cheap motherboards with limited power delivery.
When the xeons and Chinese motherboards first made a blip on the radar the common sentiment was to stay away from the x99 and v3/v4 cpu due to thermals. What does an extra instruction set actual net when compared to the v1/v2 that do not have the thermal issues.
im not sure if you will reply my question but i wanna ask if these chinese boards support I& such as 6800k bcoz i have dead board and known branded like asus or msi are over the budget even as used condition
I was just about to say the same. You can get a complete P520 with 64GB ECC for under $300. It's got plenty of expandability for a gaming PC, NAS, VM box or whatever. I'm looking to pick up one myself.
Hi Jeff Love your work thanks for all these videos its helped me alot Going from a simple windows 10 PC as a simple gaming server to an ongoing Saga of trouble 😆of what do i need to do or Get next .......Yes a mini PC for an on the go / SFF gaming rig 🤘 For my main Proxmox server Im rocking a Chinese dual HUANANZHI X79 16D board with Dual E5-2696 v2 - VM's for gaming servers plex etc.. An old as shit intel Xeon X3450 for my backup / Nas / Testing server ( does the job .... not very well ) looking to upgrade this ...One day looking for a low cost 2U soulution for this one For my main Nas a HP DL385 G7 dual 6172 Opterons with two HP D2600 disk enclosures - running Truenas scale as i couldn't get iommu to work with proxmox and an HP Mini G1 for Pihole and VPN (Twingate) in my networkswitch rack in the house also need it to keep the Proxmox cluster in Quorum
IMHO: just cut a hole in the side panel and let a full size cooler stick out - hehehe (protect exposed fin stack with two "U" shaped bars). Old project car adage: "Go," before show. then again, with my budget, I'd use foam-core board to make airflow funnels, and that'd be ugly AF. haha
What I wonder. If you have access to, or know someone with, a metal workshop could you fabricate a conversion bracket to fit a regular 2011 cooler to these narrow mountings?
In case you didn't know, Noctua has narrow ILM brackets available for many of their coolers. Idk if it'd be compatible with that case but something to note
No only NH-U12DX i4, NH-U9DX i4 and NH-D9DX i4 3U support the narrow ILM. Neither of which will fit into the Terra. All other Noctua cooler are only compatible to the square ILM.
Hello Interesting video 😊 I just buy it and Wonder if this motherboard accept DDR4 non ECC I mean regular DDR4 For me I have Xeon E5 1650 v4 Thanks 😊 Edit : I forgot to ask if this motherboard is compatible with DDR4 3200hmz 😋
A full size atx versions of the X99 work just fine i've seen it paired up with alot better video cards than that on an asus motherboard and it pumped out some nice frame rates. Both the E5 2680v4 or even the E5 2690v4 have lower power consumption and comparable performance levels.
For what it is designed for it is great . Want to run a gaming box get a better suited board. This is like buying a station wagon and wanting a sleek convertible
Where are you gonna put the hard drives? Those are not SFF for sure.... If M.2, there are commercial products, but a motherboard which has a ton of m.2 slots will be very interesting.
There's so many ways to do it in so many forms (1U, tiny box sff, etc) with Mini-ITX using an addon card or an adapter; there are even keyed M.2 to U.2/Mini-SAS HD adapters. There's really no obstacle unless you mean you absolutely 100% need it on an X99 board, and I mean, literally soldered to the board itself and in a case exactly like this or this EXACT motherboard (because there's no other option???). There's options already, especially past X99. So if you "love to see this" then it's already possible.
@@CheapSushi there is embedded epyc but these boards cost hundreds of dollars. These x99 boards are relatively affordable, with the right features it could be so much more than just x99 with itx formfactor
I have a 1U box with an ITX mobo and i3-10100 in it, but outside of low power, small rack mount use cases, ITX for something like this just doesn't make sense to me. And thanks to competition driving up performance and down price and power draw, I'm having a hard time wanting to build a used enterprise rack server right now. I just don't know what to use for my next server that I desperately need to build soon. Love the Bluey shirt!
It really depends on what you wanna do with the build. For NAS, ECC is highly recommended and ECC UDIMM is very expensive, RDIMM is the only option to go. I'm running a Xeon D for my nas. It uses slightly less power than an E5. For general computing and not requiring very strong data reliability, then more recent consumer platforms are better in terms of performance and power consumption. There usually are some nice local deals when people disposing their old gaming/office rigs
The E5 2697v4 really isn't that bad considering recent generation intel processors use more power than that. But in that tiny mothebord you would be much better off with the E5 2680v4 and it uses less power yet the performance is not that far off.
Very interesting build. About the 8G VRAM: I just updated to a 4K monitor, can confirm that 8Gb run out pretty fast. Was completely fine on 1440p before.
Must be a sign! I'm looking at doing a similar thing! I need to find a dual CPU mobo though which isn't a server one, I was given 2 X5670's to play with!
I have a Dynatron K17 (for lga 115x) CPU cooler, it works well but the fan was really loud. I replaced the stock fan with a 92mm CoolerMaster 'blade master' and it ran cooler and quieter.
@@alextran74 Both 92mm fans have similar claimed RPM, but the Dynatron fan has really noisy bearings and lower CFM. The Dynatron fan at 100% is 2500 RPM/ 43.36 CFM, the CoolerMaster fan at 100% is 2800 RPM/ 54.8 CFM. The Dynatron K17 is advertised for 3U&Up server or workstation, it's dimensions are 91x91x110mm (92x25mm fan). I use it in a HP TG01-0023w gaming desktop, not in a server.
My gaming/workstation pc has dual xeon e5 2697v2s and a tesla p100 16gb that i use to game on. Call of duty black ops coldware gets 60 fps running 1440p at high settings.
There are narrow 2011 adapters on thingiverse. Not sure if they would be suitable, as it looks like there's not much space with the ram. But maybe worth a shot to run an AMD style cooler?
It seems like the most limiting factor of your build here is the Fractal case. I love Fractal cases but this one wasn't designed to allow for a closed loop liquid cooler on the CPU which would completely solve your cooling issues. I'm running a dual socket x99 motherboard with two E5-2697A V4 cpu's both using Arctic closed loop liquid coolers and they stay just above room temperature even under full load. You're asking for a use case for the x99 ITX motherboard and that is easy, what I'm struggling is coming up with a good use case for the Fractal Design Terra ITX. Might be good for throwing a modded Apple G4 Mini running MorphOS.
I have done water cooling of a mATX Xeon e5-v4 CPU and that's great, very cool. The issue is the mounting bracket. If you can find one to fit that funky pattern...
Geoff can you do me a favor. I know its a bit outside the scope of your chans usual content but Im really interested to know and I dont have the money to spend on an X99 platform to find out IF. Can you see if you can install Windows XP onto this using something like Easy2Boot and load up the drivers with SDIO driver finder tool. I would really like to know if we can actually push all of the power out of this on Windows XP gaming.
I just bought another e5-2667 v2 for 18 dollars just because I already have x79 boards, but damn is it getting harder to avoid x99 lol as I finally retire some of my 1155 systems, x99 is looking like a fun transplant, as most of those cases already have 600w Thermaltake power supplies. I've held off on matx 2011v1-3 just because the one case I'd want one for is a from an old p4 sff desktop with a tfx power supply. The case otherwise has that case molded wave looking aesthetic. I'm probably going to adapt flex atx and go am4 for that one. I just need to crimp and socket the usb 2 header for using a 3.5 floppy in the case bc the case has molded plastic for one. I'm going to adapt one of the usb to internal floppy converters just cut off with a header plug instead.
Great video!!! and yes I am looking to se the X99i ITX motherboard for a small / compact form factor Proxmox / NAS mini server with 2 x 3.5 HDDs but I have been struggling to find the right combination of parts. This motherboard is intriguing as it has 2 x 2.5 Gbps NICs + support for ECC memory for a compact Proxmox / TrueNAS Scale combo that can be used for travel (as an example). I saw in the reviews of this Montherboard that BIOS is unlicensed or has a demo license and not sure what other limitations the board has. I was thinking to pair it with a Low Power Xeon like E5-2650Lv3 or E5-2650Lv4. to get multiple cores and also power and heat efficient in a small / compact form factor. I will be nice to have swapable HDDs but I guess I am asking too much.
Why are you trying to use a multicore CPU for gaming though? Is it the best use-case to showcase? Stick a 2699v4 in this and max out the dual slot memory then use it to host virtual machines - what can this thing actually do? How would it compare to other commercially available SFF home servers like the Deskmeet etc? Do it the claw! Do it with your spare time!
Even though small form factor is neat for what it is, wouldn't something like this item benefit more from a larger case or even a custom case to allow for more cooling options? I'm no expert though. I've been trying to find brushless motor fans to see if that helps reduce high rpm noice perhaps? What about metal bladed fans? Most items I've found are all plastic which don't withstand extreme heat.
If your fan is subject to high heat, your CPU definitely is in bigger problems 😂 But yea, these are server CPUs designed for mid range server markets. Power efficiency was a factor, but heat dissipation is not much of a concern
@@yren3386 lol yeah, the fans aren't melting as you might think. It's just an observation since all products are made of plastic for the sake of saving a buck. You don't put cheaply manufactured parts in a car and expect better performance, right?
@@yren3386 at low rpms, yeah they are. Get into max rpms and many sound like mini jet turbines because of the type of motors currently used. Usually it's geared and ball bearing design. Brushless motors make almost no noise at all. They can also withstand higher rpns. Metal blades make cooler airflow. Think of a typical home AC unit, it uses metal blades and coolant to create much cooler air temps than plastic bladed can, even at a high rpm.
If you wanted a budget build for this, an AM4 build would have been a better bet than that x99 setup. I get wanting to chips nobody wants, and if it was in a place where the noise didn't matter and you could cool it adequately it would be fine for a NAS or router or firewall, but gaming rig? No. that ship has sailed. You may well have hit upon the worst modern chassis to place it in. The NICs are interesting, but the CPU, not really, and the constraint of the narrow ILM makes it one to pass on unless its going to live in a chassis designed to brute force the cooling it needs.
Ouch. You can buy 9th gen i5s or third gen risen for about the same price right now. Unless you have a lot of multitasking to do. This doesn't seem like a very feasible option
I appreciate the Bluey reference tshirt. 😅
The Bluey episode "sleepytime" has me crying like a baby, those swelling bars of Holsts Jupiter 😢😢😢
Bluey is the bomb.
As an Aussie dad I appreciate the fact we have such a great show with our own cultural references making its way around the world.
Matthew Jenkinson me and my 18month old son watch it every morning on cbeebies in the UK 😊
I run an older DDR3 Jingyue board for my NAS over here in China, and so far the only thing that annoys me is that the BIOS doesn't have any kind of option for "power always on" when connected to power. Really solid budget option overall though!
In my mod bios for X99 board there are that option. Look for those, or just AMI tool, that could edit bios options
@@vadnegruI'm interested in this, could you inform me how I could do this?
@@blocksrey @Miyconst (yt channel) has awesome tool that can help to download and flash mod bios along with detailed video step by step guide.
Using It as base for my small NAS. 6SATA onboard + 2SATA through m.2 WiFi slot adapter. Optane m10 nvme as boot drive (can replace it with m.2 formfactor 6SATA port adapter). This board can provide 14SATA without using pci-e x16 slot (10Gbps ethernet card for example).
About cooling - thermalright axp-100 with narrow ILM kit works flowlessly.
About CPU - there are already nicely modded BIOSes to do boost unlock and undervolting for V3 xeons. Works stable and cold. Fan control and C-states also fixed in BIOS I'm currently using.
VRM radiator is not strong enough, but the main problem is chipset radiator. Replaced them with handmade radiators and now its DREAMNAS for me.
Did the bios work correctly or you have to mod it may I ask? And the ReBAR feature works ok?
I have been waiting for this video for MONTHS. Thank you.
I'm sure that you've seen it, but this board seems like a reskin of the ASRock X99e-ITX. Those boards came with a Corsair liquid cooling adapter (h80/square top) mount for narrow ilm
Jeff, Thanks for the video. Your best videos, like my best data center experiences, are riddled with Murphy sittin' on your head and making sure you KNOW Murphy is there.
I have a very similar build, but I didn't limit myself to an ITX build. My system works great in a mid tower case, but then I was able to use a Hyper 212 evo V2.
Bro! Absolutely love love the server spot! Thanks for another piece of great content on interesting hardware.
AM4 is the new X99 Id love to see what a 2800x or 3700x did in a build like this.
Cost will be the RAM in that case. RDIMM is dirt cheap.
If you want big RAM, go E5 (or EPYC). They support RDIMM.
If you want gaming, you need fast RAM, not big RAM. Desktop platform might be better.
Came here to say this 🙂 . A used 3700x and itx B450 wouldn't likely support ECC, (ryzen was always in a gray area for ECC mem, but no registered DIMMs, and for sure no reporting). Otherwise, the price wouldn't be very different and it would likely be very reliable.
Aren't good AM4 boards going up in price now?
ive got a x470 r5-2600 server system that had both ESXI and now proxmox on it, it only runs a TrueNAS VM and windows 10VM that i use to RDP into for web/music from my garage thin client, data ingestion and printing/scanning from. its very stable with consumer RAM and for my admittedly light requirements has heaps of power.
@@My_Old_YT_AccountNo, they are going down in prices (looked at ATX B550)
You still have the best and segments, that's why I don't skip them.👌
High prices, compared to a couple of years a go. No upgrade options, crazy high TDP package if you want something decent. It is what it is unfortunately. And most of these 'cheap' chinese boards have a terrible VRM. Resulting in high temps. You are best off buying a cheap Ryzen system, maybe a little more expensive but better performance and heck of a lot lower power draw and you still have the option to upgrade it later. Thanks for the video !
I'm still on X99 myself but yeah, in 2023, they've kind of lost their appeal for most of anything anyone wants to do, even used price wise unless you're outright buying some cheap used enterprise rack server, then X99 is still a bit worth it just because it's more plug and play
The bang for the buck on these was off the charts for a long time, but yeah, it's finally to the point that they can't compete with current low-budget stuff.
@@CheapSushidepends on if you need port bifurcation. I unlocked the BIOS settings on my MicroATX X99 board for port bifurcation. The good news is that hopefully as these become a poor choice they should unload them 🤷♂️. I'm not holding my breath because they are obviously for markets that have Ryzen and Core 8th gen and up going for 2-3x what we pay. Where the v3 v4 Xeon 2011 are being retired and are basically free.
I wanted to get a Xeon dual-CPU with hundreds of DDR-2 RAM. I won't get that from more recent hardware for the same price.
Exactly, socket 2011-3 is so much cheaper than any other platform, and best bang for buck
only dual memory channel for xeon I wonder how it affects performance? And fastest cpu would be 2696v3 with unlocked turbo to 3.8 and limited to 10 cores in bios as it's enough for games. there was in depth tests on Ukranian channel. Not sure how much wattage it would be pumping, maybe throttling in this case with that cooler as well
You’ve most definitely received an adapter ring to fit any am3 stock mount cooler that substantially widens cooling options, why didn’t you mention it?
And, mainly, why didn’t you use it with something like Wraith MAX?
Also there’s bunch of bios mods to under volt this cpus that really makes like a 10C difference, should try that route also
Yes sir!
@@boredman2483undervolt+tb unlock is best duo ever
Not to sure about this video and I''m guessing you probably felt the same? However, it's another great example of you're creativity in terms of the 'sponsers' section. Well done Jeff!
The beer and your project seem to pair pretty well...
Probably my final update on this MB. I ditched the Silverstone SG13 case and along with it the Dynatron cooler. I slapped everything in a Fractal Node 304 case and a Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U cooler. Now this thing is whisper quiet. Before deciding to stick with the board I had a look around at other 2011-v3 boards and interestingly there weren't many that sported dual 2.5gbe networking like this one does. And i'd have had to bump all the way up to a full size ATX board by Machinist to get it. But since I wanted to stay small I decided to stick with this board, the Noctua cooler, and the Node 304 which I just finished installing everything in today. The Node 304 isn't an incredibly easy case to build in but it was, for my, by far the best option since i'll be running several 3.5" spinning drives in addition to NVME and at least one SATA SSD.
My sata drives don't show up in the bios. My Nvme drive works just fine. How were you able to get them to work together ?
I've tried that beer, it is as potent as you're portraying. I'm pretty sure they just replaced the hops with weed...
Any chance you could try a build in a bigger case just to see how it goes?? if you have one lying around that is. Cheers for the review...I love the look of that case its just a shame really.
ive been using a mini itx x99 mobo from aliexpress with a xeon e5 2683v3 and 16gb ecc memory for almost 2 years now. It has some smaller weird problems but im overall happy with it.
is it good for video editing? like max 15 minute videos as hobby
Ah Bluey fan I see. Couldn't help notice your shirt.
Speaking from experience 5700xt still kills it while gaming.
That case is sooooooo cool. I'ma get one and build it later
Good video man. Stopped me from buying this exact Mobo. For my budget itx build. So far I have a thermaltake cube v1 case and an SSD. Looking at guts right now for it!
How were you able to get the XMP to work on this board?. Also the sell narrow lga 2011 could adapters for these boards. I have a snowman cooler and it works fantastic.
Just got an h410 1151 matx Chinese board. Oddly, supports 6-9 gen. 4 Intel gens on one board. Runs fine, uses AMI bios, has an m.2, so I can’t complain. Four Intel gens on one board 🤯.
I did an x99 build with an EVGA x99 Micro 2 motherboard and I used the ID-COOLING SE-914-XT-Basic with a 92mm fan. I didn't have any mounting problems. I put it in the Cooler Master MasterBox Q500L case with the PSU front-mounted and one front intact, rear exhaust, and top exhaust 120mm PWM exhaust fan. Temps were fine, actually better than my Ryzen 3600/ RTX 2060 build in a case the same size with worse airflow. I think the NZXT H210i case would work for housing an ITX build like this one. it would be easier to cool the system and use standard components keeping the cost down. The ID-COOLING SE-914-XT-Basic is about $25 bucks most of the time and the NZXT H210i goes on sale for $60 from time to time.
Love the shirt!
Nice case, but yes, no space for a water cooler. What about the Cougar QBX? If can fit a 120mm Water Cooler. Might work in keeping the CPU cool.
Love the `CPU distance to TJ Max’ 😂 it’s the small things
So are these old X99 xeons good for anything anymore? besides gaming there's the problem of (afaik) no win11 support. So what then? ML? AI? if a 5700 already bottlenecks it IDK how good it can be for say stable difussion or LLaMA, maybe to compile stuff with those 20 cores some models have?
you looked like you were going to have a coughing fit after that beer xD
When testing the 8GB cards, please test 16x PCIe cards, as well as the 8x PCIe cards. Also, test with and without ReBAR. I'm curious on what all these variables actually mean for these "budget" 8gb gaming cards.
I'm less concerned with those features. Mainly going to focus on 8GB VRAM, utilization, game settings, etc.
6600xt is doing fine in such system with 4ch ram, maybe in some benches it's a few percent less, but that difference is going away when you tweak it and slightly oc vram.
@@CraftComputing The thing I want to know is if I need to get a ReBAR compatible motherboard (and thus a full PC upgrade) to take advantage of these newer cheap cards that look like they may depend on it. (RTX 4060, Intel ARC series, both with x8 slots and less RAM.)
Yeah I rock a E5-2678 v3 (12 core) with turbo boost unlock and a E5-2683 v4 (16 core) in my proxmox home server cluster. Great in that application when you alot of cheap threads.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, love the shirt!
nice star trek reference in the beginning i recognize the lcars red alert
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Love the Bluey shirt. Bandit rocks
I tried this a few years ago with two haswell e5-2666v3 with full turbo mod and 1080ti in sli and games were CPU bound. It was a decent room heater during the winter though. Also, working with dual CPU was not great for SLI since you need to make sure they were on pcie lanes bound to one CPU. Spread across both cpus and sli would not function properly. I also tried tweaking the QPI but that didn't really help with CPU performance. But it makes sense considering single core speed is more important when it comes to gaming. As a VM host, the thing was a beast at the time for very little costs. The e5-2666v3 at the time were a bit above $100. I believe they were dumped by Amazon when they were upgrading their AWS infrastructure.
Another rumours point to Oracle. Anyway, there are no info about them and this CPU is best for desktop use IMO.
@@vadnegruOh, I could buy an E7-8895 CPU (those were the absolute beasts and were proprietary to Oracle servers only) for only 40 EUR last year too bad, that there are no compatible motherboards available...😀 Now, I am thinking about framing it and put on the wall as a decoration 😀
Dual CPU for gaming? Why?
@@jb678901 If you asked, me: the 8895 is an 8 socket capable CPU (you can put 8 of those beasts into one motherboard...). It was really cheap to buy. TO play, I would not use DUAL Xeon CPU config. FOr that purpose the best is the E5 1680, or the 2667 v2. For home labbing, the more cores the better. SO for my server, I will buy a dual CPU board for sure.
sounds like a good option to create your own Router, or mini NAS, or some kind of Smart Home Control or something to that effect.
I got this motherboard and for the life of me can't get the ethernet ports to work. the ones off the sketchy manufacture website don't work. which ones did you use?
PCIe port bifurcation is hard to come by, this would be a good system for running a Dell 4x NVMe PCIe card. Would love to know if 1650v3 is overclockable in this, you really need more clock speed. 3.5 may be max single core turbo, but what are we getting all-core? If a i5 or i7 or Xeon quad core 115x is stomping on it for games is it worth it?
Dank Dust - priceless ...
I could see one of these being used as a NAS with one of those little ITX cases, sorta like tho one Linus checked out a while back. Could be great if you're a traveling video editor or something.
I would still swing into old intell board with something like i3 or i5
Is this motherboard compatible with the i7 5820k/5930k/5960x cpus? Also can it use non ecc Ram?
There's no more point to buying these old server parts for gaming when there are 11th and 12th gen combos (Xeon W-11955M, i7-12650H, etc.) available at around the same price.
If you don't trust those mobile-CPU hacks, you can buy a Huananzhi H610 motherboard and an i5-12400T or even 13400T for not much more. These new 35-watt T models are great for cheap motherboards with limited power delivery.
I have several. They don't last very long.... if you do get them up and running.
Most cheep water coolers that support 2011 come with a bracket for narrow ILM. I have thermalright for mine
When the xeons and Chinese motherboards first made a blip on the radar the common sentiment was to stay away from the x99 and v3/v4 cpu due to thermals. What does an extra instruction set actual net when compared to the v1/v2 that do not have the thermal issues.
im not sure if you will reply my question but i wanna ask if these chinese boards support I& such as 6800k bcoz i have dead board and known branded like asus or msi are over the budget even as used condition
Love the Bluey Shirt...
You should look into the Lenovo p520 with a Skylake xeon like a W-2135 or W-2145.
I was just about to say the same. You can get a complete P520 with 64GB ECC for under $300. It's got plenty of expandability for a gaming PC, NAS, VM box or whatever. I'm looking to pick up one myself.
Hi Jeff Love your work thanks for all these videos its helped me alot
Going from a simple windows 10 PC as a simple gaming server to an ongoing Saga of trouble 😆of what do i need to do or Get next .......Yes a mini PC for an on the go / SFF gaming rig 🤘
For my main Proxmox server Im rocking a Chinese dual HUANANZHI X79 16D board with Dual E5-2696 v2 - VM's for gaming servers plex etc..
An old as shit intel Xeon X3450 for my backup / Nas / Testing server ( does the job .... not very well ) looking to upgrade this ...One day looking for a low cost 2U soulution for this one
For my main Nas a HP DL385 G7 dual 6172 Opterons with two HP D2600 disk enclosures - running Truenas scale as i couldn't get iommu to work with proxmox
and an HP Mini G1 for Pihole and VPN (Twingate) in my networkswitch rack in the house also need it to keep the Proxmox cluster in Quorum
Wouldn't the AXP100 from Thermalright fit? I use that on 2011-3 very effectively.
IMHO: just cut a hole in the side panel and let a full size cooler stick out - hehehe (protect exposed fin stack with two "U" shaped bars).
Old project car adage: "Go," before show.
then again, with my budget, I'd use foam-core board to make airflow funnels, and that'd be ugly AF. haha
Dank Jeff is a fun Jeff
What I wonder. If you have access to, or know someone with, a metal workshop could you fabricate a conversion bracket to fit a regular 2011 cooler to these narrow mountings?
In case you didn't know, Noctua has narrow ILM brackets available for many of their coolers. Idk if it'd be compatible with that case but something to note
No only NH-U12DX i4, NH-U9DX i4 and NH-D9DX i4 3U support the narrow ILM. Neither of which will fit into the Terra. All other Noctua cooler are only compatible to the square ILM.
Hello
Interesting video 😊
I just buy it and Wonder if this motherboard accept DDR4 non ECC
I mean regular DDR4
For me I have Xeon E5 1650 v4
Thanks 😊
Edit :
I forgot to ask if this motherboard is compatible with DDR4 3200hmz 😋
A full size atx versions of the X99 work just fine i've seen it paired up with alot better video cards than that on an asus motherboard and it pumped out some nice frame rates. Both the E5 2680v4 or even the E5 2690v4 have lower power consumption and comparable performance levels.
For what it is designed for it is great .
Want to run a gaming box get a better suited board.
This is like buying a station wagon and wanting a sleek convertible
I would love to see this board with a MiniSAS or 2 with a few oculink ports for Nvme U.2 drives. Would make a killer SFF NAS
Where are you gonna put the hard drives? Those are not SFF for sure....
If M.2, there are commercial products, but a motherboard which has a ton of m.2 slots will be very interesting.
With a single 5.25" bay you could have 8 SFF SSDs, sure most sff cases won't have one but diy for the win
There's so many ways to do it in so many forms (1U, tiny box sff, etc) with Mini-ITX using an addon card or an adapter; there are even keyed M.2 to U.2/Mini-SAS HD adapters. There's really no obstacle unless you mean you absolutely 100% need it on an X99 board, and I mean, literally soldered to the board itself and in a case exactly like this or this EXACT motherboard (because there's no other option???). There's options already, especially past X99. So if you "love to see this" then it's already possible.
@@CheapSushi there is embedded epyc but these boards cost hundreds of dollars. These x99 boards are relatively affordable, with the right features it could be so much more than just x99 with itx formfactor
Does x99 motherboard support RTX A2000 graphics card or not..?
this mb bios is crap, you know it locks cpu freq? no turbo... and gpu is limited to 8 lines, no x16. And usb3.0 does not work. Great review...
Useless Review...
I have a 1U box with an ITX mobo and i3-10100 in it, but outside of low power, small rack mount use cases, ITX for something like this just doesn't make sense to me. And thanks to competition driving up performance and down price and power draw, I'm having a hard time wanting to build a used enterprise rack server right now. I just don't know what to use for my next server that I desperately need to build soon.
Love the Bluey shirt!
My server has a low-power Xeon, E5-2650L v3, real world draw ~30W at full (non-AVX?) load. I ran that thing passively cooled for a few months.
It really depends on what you wanna do with the build. For NAS, ECC is highly recommended and ECC UDIMM is very expensive, RDIMM is the only option to go. I'm running a Xeon D for my nas. It uses slightly less power than an E5.
For general computing and not requiring very strong data reliability, then more recent consumer platforms are better in terms of performance and power consumption. There usually are some nice local deals when people disposing their old gaming/office rigs
Did you know if there are any Windows XP drivers for this board?
It would be interesting to know if this is any good as an Ultimate XP gaming build.
The E5 2697v4 really isn't that bad considering recent generation intel processors use more power than that. But in that tiny mothebord you would be much better off with the E5 2680v4 and it uses less power yet the performance is not that far off.
What if you used a case like the cougar qbx? that one has plenty of airflow and can take a 90~100mm cooler
I like the personality I like the E5 1650v3
what about the B550SD4-ITX-W from onda?, would be interesting a video where u review chinese mobos
It reminded me of the threadripper ITX motherboard... and I never understood the point.
depends on what you want to do, why and what amount of space you want to take up; just like with any build
Yes but no, I get the point he's making thou
Watercooling
Any overclocking options on these boards?
Still wondering why we dont see any chinese Socket 2066 motherboards. Even the prices for the Cascade Lake based Xeon are dropping.
Very interesting build.
About the 8G VRAM: I just updated to a 4K monitor, can confirm that 8Gb run out pretty fast. Was completely fine on 1440p before.
Will it be good for cpu mining?
I wonder if this Chinese motherboard is still working now?
Fellow parent here. I need that shirt.
Must be a sign! I'm looking at doing a similar thing! I need to find a dual CPU mobo though which isn't a server one, I was given 2 X5670's to play with!
You're probably looking at an EVGA SR-2 motherboard. Those typically aren't cheap or easy to come by.
@@MrBonesawzall may have to have a look! See if i can get a deal
I have a Dynatron K17 (for lga 115x) CPU cooler, it works well but the fan was really loud.
I replaced the stock fan with a 92mm CoolerMaster 'blade master' and it ran cooler and quieter.
Hi @thepezfeo, does this server board ok with the CM's CFM? I thought it required the hight-speed server fans only?
@@alextran74 Both 92mm fans have similar claimed RPM, but the Dynatron fan has really noisy bearings and lower CFM. The Dynatron fan at 100% is 2500 RPM/ 43.36 CFM, the CoolerMaster fan at 100% is 2800 RPM/ 54.8 CFM. The Dynatron K17 is advertised for 3U&Up server or workstation, it's dimensions are 91x91x110mm (92x25mm fan). I use it in a HP TG01-0023w gaming desktop, not in a server.
@@thepezfeo thank you!
My gaming/workstation pc has dual xeon e5 2697v2s and a tesla p100 16gb that i use to game on. Call of duty black ops coldware gets 60 fps running 1440p at high settings.
There are narrow 2011 adapters on thingiverse. Not sure if they would be suitable, as it looks like there's not much space with the ram. But maybe worth a shot to run an AMD style cooler?
It seems like the most limiting factor of your build here is the Fractal case. I love Fractal cases but this one wasn't designed to allow for a closed loop liquid cooler on the CPU which would completely solve your cooling issues. I'm running a dual socket x99 motherboard with two E5-2697A V4 cpu's both using Arctic closed loop liquid coolers and they stay just above room temperature even under full load.
You're asking for a use case for the x99 ITX motherboard and that is easy, what I'm struggling is coming up with a good use case for the Fractal Design Terra ITX. Might be good for throwing a modded Apple G4 Mini running MorphOS.
Sir Jeff for this mother board , would water cooling be a viable choice say working as an open build choice / test bench / open frame ?
I have done water cooling of a mATX Xeon e5-v4 CPU and that's great, very cool. The issue is the mounting bracket. If you can find one to fit that funky pattern...
@@HappyTribblei use tower cooler for amd FX via included adapter, maybe it could work with water?
Geoff can you do me a favor.
I know its a bit outside the scope of your chans usual content but Im really interested to know and I dont have the money to spend on an X99 platform to find out IF.
Can you see if you can install Windows XP onto this using something like Easy2Boot and load up the drivers with SDIO driver finder tool.
I would really like to know if we can actually push all of the power out of this on Windows XP gaming.
I just bought another e5-2667 v2 for 18 dollars just because I already have x79 boards, but damn is it getting harder to avoid x99 lol as I finally retire some of my 1155 systems, x99 is looking like a fun transplant, as most of those cases already have 600w Thermaltake power supplies. I've held off on matx 2011v1-3 just because the one case I'd want one for is a from an old p4 sff desktop with a tfx power supply. The case otherwise has that case molded wave looking aesthetic. I'm probably going to adapt flex atx and go am4 for that one. I just need to crimp and socket the usb 2 header for using a 3.5 floppy in the case bc the case has molded plastic for one. I'm going to adapt one of the usb to internal floppy converters just cut off with a header plug instead.
I can tell it looks like the ASRock's X99E-ITX/ac.
it runs well 2683v4?
I wonder if that board supports non xeon cpus???
If youre looking for best budget maybe have a look at the lenovo thinkstation p520
Great video!!! and yes I am looking to se the X99i ITX motherboard for a small / compact form factor Proxmox / NAS mini server with 2 x 3.5 HDDs but I have been struggling to find the right combination of parts. This motherboard is intriguing as it has 2 x 2.5 Gbps NICs + support for ECC memory for a compact Proxmox / TrueNAS Scale combo that can be used for travel (as an example). I saw in the reviews of this Montherboard that BIOS is unlicensed or has a demo license and not sure what other limitations the board has. I was thinking to pair it with a Low Power Xeon like E5-2650Lv3 or E5-2650Lv4. to get multiple cores and also power and heat efficient in a small / compact form factor. I will be nice to have swapable HDDs but I guess I am asking too much.
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Got narrow ILM noctua 3U.
Why are you trying to use a multicore CPU for gaming though? Is it the best use-case to showcase?
Stick a 2699v4 in this and max out the dual slot memory then use it to host virtual machines - what can this thing actually do? How would it compare to other commercially available SFF home servers like the Deskmeet etc?
Do it the claw! Do it with your spare time!
I use my old x99 / i7 6800K as lancache server in a 2u case
Heyyy anu update about this, stikl working?
Even though small form factor is neat for what it is, wouldn't something like this item benefit more from a larger case or even a custom case to allow for more cooling options? I'm no expert though. I've been trying to find brushless motor fans to see if that helps reduce high rpm noice perhaps? What about metal bladed fans? Most items I've found are all plastic which don't withstand extreme heat.
If your fan is subject to high heat, your CPU definitely is in bigger problems 😂
But yea, these are server CPUs designed for mid range server markets. Power efficiency was a factor, but heat dissipation is not much of a concern
@@yren3386 lol yeah, the fans aren't melting as you might think. It's just an observation since all products are made of plastic for the sake of saving a buck. You don't put cheaply manufactured parts in a car and expect better performance, right?
@@HBProductions. I think plastic fans are more quiet?
@@yren3386 at low rpms, yeah they are. Get into max rpms and many sound like mini jet turbines because of the type of motors currently used. Usually it's geared and ball bearing design. Brushless motors make almost no noise at all. They can also withstand higher rpns. Metal blades make cooler airflow. Think of a typical home AC unit, it uses metal blades and coolant to create much cooler air temps than plastic bladed can, even at a high rpm.
Is it compatible with the i7 5820k?
Getting this today for ainingaming oc for misses
there are some itx cases on newegg for 27 to $55
See this is a craft review. Not that case review I sat through the other day.
If you wanted a budget build for this, an AM4 build would have been a better bet than that x99 setup. I get wanting to chips nobody wants, and if it was in a place where the noise didn't matter and you could cool it adequately it would be fine for a NAS or router or firewall, but gaming rig? No. that ship has sailed.
You may well have hit upon the worst modern chassis to place it in.
The NICs are interesting, but the CPU, not really, and the constraint of the narrow ILM makes it one to pass on unless its going to live in a chassis designed to brute force the cooling it needs.
Ouch. You can buy 9th gen i5s or third gen risen for about the same price right now. Unless you have a lot of multitasking to do. This doesn't seem like a very feasible option