“You earned all the credits….undo the surgery….be normal again..” “Look at you….621……..you found….a friend….” I’m not crying I swear. My eyes just drank too much water
Walter, was trying to carry out his friend's dying wishes... 621 was carrying out his own friend's wishes. I think walter knew at that point, 621 chose for himself something i think walter also wished for him to do. At least that is my interpretation of events.
@@daneilfranklin Walter once said to 621 "Just trust your instinct" I have a strong feeling that he means much more with this line than just an acknowledgement of your ability.
the most depressing thing about the Liberator of Rubicon ending was how easy this fight was. he'd become a shell of the man he was after Arquebus's treatments, barely running on his oldest motivations and poisoned by the orders of the corporations, he still recognised you and cared for you, even being proud of you.
@@poison_byte I got wrecked by him once but was able to beat him the second time, Arquebus and by extension V.II Snail shall pay DEARLY for what they have done to him......
He’s not that easy if ur a fat built or you’re not staggering him lol I had to change to lightweight and ac spam. The stun locks he can get you in are fucking crazy
The fact that there's the possibility that it was Walter who delivered the killing blow to Rusty in this ending... makes this fight even more tragic. The sound of the C-Laser canon that Walter uses is kind of similar to sound you hear when Rusty's transmission gets cut off after the fight with Snail.
It was definitely Walter. Considering how fast the institute AC is. And it makes perfect sense that arquebus sent ALL of their assets to destroy you and the xylem.
The painful irony in Handler Walter's last words being "Look at you, 621, you found a friend" after killing your only other friend hurts as well. This ending gave us the most friends (like Rusty and Ayre and initially Carla and Chatty) but we only get to take Ayre across the finish line.
You can definitely hear Walter's innermost struggle after Arquebus's augmentations towards him. Patrick Seitz (yes, he voiced Walter) nailed his struggle well! Walter, you were like a father to me, treating his only hound (me) like his own son. This wasn't patricide. It was to end Walter's misery and suffering. Goodbye, Handler Walter.
@@blastmole299 Yeah, we did. His agonizingly dying scream was music to our ears. We never liked that smug slug! Jon Lipow, his VA, knew how to voice a bad boss with his "reeducating" methods.
im still mad he turned us against the Red Guns, i wanted to kill him for that but he was already gone when i got the chance, shame We found our freedom, but at what cost?
This fight was overall my favorite. The first time I fought him and died, I audibly cheered "Yes!" Because Walter was the winner, alive..safe. Then I remembered, "He's not supposed to live. He's not supposed to win" That hurt. Yes, lines like "You found a friend," and "Undo the surgery," was sad. Yet, the line that stuck with me was the death quote. "That's it for this job...621." I put my controller down snd started at the screen for a solid 6-7 minutes. His mind is broken, not broken, shattered. I wanted to let him win. The fact that his mind couldn't process what's going on, he can't comprehend the difference between reality and delusion. He switches between talking about burning the Coral and completing the legacy, and 621 to preserve himself, to fix himself and undo the surgery, to have some semblance of a normal life. I miss him. I do kinda wish he had more delusional lines. "62.. I got a job..for...you." "C-Commence..m-m-mission." "621.. Let me tell you a story.." (Death) "Head back to base..62..." "Job's done... Rest u-up, 621." "I-It's just a j-job." "621, do you...read me?"
Man, if I heard the last of your lines from Walter, I would have cried like a bitch for several minutes. Rusty's fight is emotional, but this is just straight up depressing.
No shit... Arquebus's re-education system nothing more then evil... V.II Snail as far as memory serves was the one that came up with it, makes sense due to how he sees himself as Arquebus itself, just like he says when you fight him in the Balteus v2: "You tried to kill me! Tried to kill Arquebus! I AM ARCUEBUS!!!" Egotistical and downright tyrannical to the CORE.
It’s worse. Some data logs and dialogue’s make mention of a “factory” where talented AC pilots are sent if they manage to resist re-education. It’s not specifically mentioned what happens after that, aside from them being “processed” inside, but I think its safe to assume that people who end up there get the “WH40k servitor” treatment. If you know, you know.
The saddest part about this fight is human nature. He saw Ayre in that moment. He knew she was alive and so was the Coral. Yet, his only response was "Once something's alive, it doesn't die easy. Fuel for the fire." The crushing reality that the closest human being to you, who always had your back, would be completely different if you weren't human, but capable of everything a human was and were alive, and would want nothing but to burn you to death out of fear.
Thank you for making all these videos showing off missable character dialogue. I've been replaying missions trying to see what I've missed, and these have been super helpful.
@@GreyCaliber Considering canonically the arena fights are AI controlled, it makes sense. The AI isn't trying to hold back against you, but Walter is. Likewise, a good part of the other AC fights are much harder in reality than in the arena
@@Erick-tv8oq Its a classic gameplay versus lore arguement, unfortunately. I think they could have done more of a: The fight starts hard, then gets easier as Walter wrestles some sense of control like he does at the end after letting his friends dreams rest and seeing Ayre. Might have been a better compromise for both sides. I liked this fight with Rusty’s AC/Gear, regardless though.
I remember when I finished the fight and got to the cutscene I started pleading with the game I shouted something along the lines of “My AC is fast enough let me save him!” My first ending and my favorite fight in the game
Hearing all the voice lines i think really shows walters confliction between his desires, fighting the reducation and reluctance to fight us. I think the fight in the campain also shows this because he doesnt move that much but as people have pointed out in the arena his ac is far more aggressive because its just a simulation. Which is going to make killing him in my next playthrough all the more heartbreaking
What bummed me out the most is that they made his fight way too easier than the other two Lore wise it makes sense, but really feels like they did his character dirty considering his backstory Poor Walter, dude was never a free man to begin with.
Well it makes sense story-wise, he's barely holding on at that point even struggling to speak. Kinda like Vendrick fight in Dark Souls 2 I guess, it's not hard at all but hell does it make you feel.
I would imagine Walter definitely is desperately fighting against the brainwashing and going easy on you, considering how he basically one shotted Rusty.
idk about all of you but he was really hard for me, probably because i used pile bunker, the bazooka, and the songbirds/ice worm needles. tried to finish him off with pile bunker too
The thing is, when you compare this fight versus the FoR ending, you already had your final boss in the form of upgraded Balteus, Walter here is basically you having your Freud equivalent at the end instead.
Because of Walters augmentation he can now see Ayre, who is a being made of coral and Walters mission was to burn all the coral on Rubicon. thus the fires of Raven ending and this Dialogue "That voice... 621.. I see it next to you...yes... kindling for the fire"
undo the surgery...be normal again.. Walter didn't only say this to us to convice us to stop fighting against him.. he said it because he desperately wants to do that himself
Dude! Wtf! All this while I was under the assumption that, Walter got angered by your betrayal, and stole the institute HAL AC, and killed Rusty and tried to stop you. Only now, I realize, he was captured by Arquebus & Re-educated, and was promised that his surgery will be undone if he fulfills his mission? That's insane. Liberator ending is even worse than the 'Fires of Raven' ending.
Partially correct, he was brainwashed by Arquebus to fight and kill raven, but the part about his mission is referring to burning the coral. What we hear is a fight between the re-education and his friends' wishes, but ultimately let's 621 decide the fate of rubicon
theres evidence to suggest that the AC he uses in his fight is actually his, arquebus didn't give it to him. for one in ng++ if you look closely the symbol for it in the arena is the same one used by walter when he talks to you in the garage. and also at the very end of ng++, the intro cutscene for the boss fight shows the wreckage of that same AC, and it is confirmed that walter piloted it, and he did it without being captured and re-educated by arquebus.
@@ALUCARD-us3il Excellent observation. I tend to agree! Now that I think about, isn't there some lore note as well suggesting or alluding to a pilot. Or am I just imagining it?
@@AlphaPsionic also, when Walter was talking about the surgery, he was referring to 621( aka you), not himself, he was literally begging you to buy back your original life before becoming augmented, and with you having earned literally millions of credits by the time you get to this fight, you are definitely rich enough to undo the augmentation surgery and become a normal person again.
@@AlphaPsionic HAL-826 is the Only IBIS series AC designed for a human pilot, Ayre confirms this before you fight it in the arena, the other ibis craft are directly controlled by coral.
"Undo the surgery... be normal again" I'm not crying
No its just me ;-;
im not cryng, you are ;-;
It’s alright, let it out boys 😭😭
We all crying
Rest in peace, Handler Walter, i wish could have you ;w;
Look at you...... 621................you found......... a friend
“You earned all the credits….undo the surgery….be normal again..”
“Look at you….621……..you found….a friend….”
I’m not crying I swear. My eyes just drank too much water
I'm crying
I really feel it when Waltuh said “you found yourself a friend” 😭
Walter, was trying to carry out his friend's dying wishes... 621 was carrying out his own friend's wishes.
I think walter knew at that point, 621 chose for himself something i think walter also wished for him to do.
At least that is my interpretation of events.
@@daneilfranklin Walter once said to 621 "Just trust your instinct"
I have a strong feeling that he means much more with this line than just an acknowledgement of your ability.
the most depressing thing about the Liberator of Rubicon ending was how easy this fight was. he'd become a shell of the man he was after Arquebus's treatments, barely running on his oldest motivations and poisoned by the orders of the corporations, he still recognised you and cared for you, even being proud of you.
That's what v2 snail said during his fight. Our handler was "recalcitrant to the last"
He's not that easy if you don't cheese him with impact builds
@@poison_byte I got wrecked by him once but was able to beat him the second time, Arquebus and by extension V.II Snail shall pay DEARLY for what they have done to him......
@@poison_byte i abhor impact spam, but i got him first try with a mediumweight double rifle double missile build (2 Harris 2 Soup)
He’s not that easy if ur a fat built or you’re not staggering him lol I had to change to lightweight and ac spam. The stun locks he can get you in are fucking crazy
The fact that there's the possibility that it was Walter who delivered the killing blow to Rusty in this ending... makes this fight even more tragic.
The sound of the C-Laser canon that Walter uses is kind of similar to sound you hear when Rusty's transmission gets cut off after the fight with Snail.
It was definitely Walter. Considering how fast the institute AC is. And it makes perfect sense that arquebus sent ALL of their assets to destroy you and the xylem.
The painful irony in Handler Walter's last words being "Look at you, 621, you found a friend" after killing your only other friend hurts as well. This ending gave us the most friends (like Rusty and Ayre and initially Carla and Chatty) but we only get to take Ayre across the finish line.
Rusty didn't die, hes too cool for that. His coms just died thats all, hes totally fine
@@AlphaKnight-hg2jqNobel Six moment
You can definitely hear Walter's innermost struggle after Arquebus's augmentations towards him. Patrick Seitz (yes, he voiced Walter) nailed his struggle well!
Walter, you were like a father to me, treating his only hound (me) like his own son. This wasn't patricide. It was to end Walter's misery and suffering. Goodbye, Handler Walter.
It's a good thing we avenged him earlier at least, by killing Snail
@@blastmole299 Yeah, we did. His agonizingly dying scream was music to our ears. We never liked that smug slug! Jon Lipow, his VA, knew how to voice a bad boss with his "reeducating" methods.
im still mad he turned us against the Red Guns, i wanted to kill him for that but he was already gone when i got the chance, shame
We found our freedom, but at what cost?
When I was doing this fight the only thing I could honestly manage to say is "One last job: find your freedom."
yeah this ending, and the decision leading up to it felt like I was starting to think and do things myself
This fight was overall my favorite. The first time I fought him and died, I audibly cheered "Yes!" Because Walter was the winner, alive..safe. Then I remembered, "He's not supposed to live. He's not supposed to win"
That hurt.
Yes, lines like "You found a friend," and "Undo the surgery," was sad. Yet, the line that stuck with me was the death quote.
"That's it for this job...621."
I put my controller down snd started at the screen for a solid 6-7 minutes. His mind is broken, not broken, shattered.
I wanted to let him win.
The fact that his mind couldn't process what's going on, he can't comprehend the difference between reality and delusion.
He switches between talking about burning the Coral and completing the legacy, and 621 to preserve himself, to fix himself and undo the surgery, to have some semblance of a normal life.
I miss him.
I do kinda wish he had more delusional lines.
"62.. I got a job..for...you."
"C-Commence..m-m-mission."
"621.. Let me tell you a story.."
(Death)
"Head back to base..62..."
"Job's done... Rest u-up, 621."
"I-It's just a j-job."
"621, do you...read me?"
Man, if I heard the last of your lines from Walter, I would have cried like a bitch for several minutes. Rusty's fight is emotional, but this is just straight up depressing.
I imagine him getting teary-eyed as he closes his eyes and says “Look at you… 621… you found.. a friend”
only now did i realize this is what that "re-education" is all about jesus christ
No shit... Arquebus's re-education system nothing more then evil... V.II Snail as far as memory serves was the one that came up with it, makes sense due to how he sees himself as Arquebus itself, just like he says when you fight him in the Balteus v2: "You tried to kill me! Tried to kill Arquebus! I AM ARCUEBUS!!!" Egotistical and downright tyrannical to the CORE.
They make you talk like Rykard from Elden Ring! how horrible! what a dishonor to FAMILEEEEEEEEEEE
It’s worse. Some data logs and dialogue’s make mention of a “factory” where talented AC pilots are sent if they manage to resist re-education. It’s not specifically mentioned what happens after that, aside from them being “processed” inside, but I think its safe to assume that people who end up there get the “WH40k servitor” treatment.
If you know, you know.
@@pavancalera1328 it’s worse. They’re test subjects for AI pilots.
Their deaths may mean nothing.
@@maallos334mi8 That’s not worse, that’s just stupid and wasteful. Is that mentioned anywhere in the game?
Waltuh… put your mech away Waltuh… ;-;
The mission
The nightmares
they're finally
over
The saddest part about this fight is human nature. He saw Ayre in that moment. He knew she was alive and so was the Coral. Yet, his only response was "Once something's alive, it doesn't die easy. Fuel for the fire." The crushing reality that the closest human being to you, who always had your back, would be completely different if you weren't human, but capable of everything a human was and were alive, and would want nothing but to burn you to death out of fear.
and given how many lives the fires of ibis took, his fears are warranted
Thank you for making all these videos showing off missable character dialogue. I've been replaying missions trying to see what I've missed, and these have been super helpful.
Glad I could help, Fromsoft did a great job with the extra conversations
Using the ORTUS build to fight the man who killed Rusty. Nice.
I felt like he didnt want to fight you, dunno, in the arena test, his ac is more agressive
Yeah, hes very sluggish in comparison to the arena version. I'm surprised Fromsoft didn't use that version.
@@GreyCaliber Considering canonically the arena fights are AI controlled, it makes sense. The AI isn't trying to hold back against you, but Walter is.
Likewise, a good part of the other AC fights are much harder in reality than in the arena
@@Erick-tv8oq Its a classic gameplay versus lore arguement, unfortunately. I think they could have done more of a: The fight starts hard, then gets easier as Walter wrestles some sense of control like he does at the end after letting his friends dreams rest and seeing Ayre. Might have been a better compromise for both sides.
I liked this fight with Rusty’s AC/Gear, regardless though.
This was the best Ending and that's not saying much since they all suck
@@eftultimadunno, I like them all in their own way, not everything needs to be a closed off happy ending
I remember when I finished the fight and got to the cutscene I started pleading with the game I shouted something along the lines of “My AC is fast enough let me save him!” My first ending and my favorite fight in the game
The problem about being faster than light is you only get to live in darkness
"you e found... a friend"
Me: TWT walter noooo
Hearing all the voice lines i think really shows walters confliction between his desires, fighting the reducation and reluctance to fight us. I think the fight in the campain also shows this because he doesnt move that much but as people have pointed out in the arena his ac is far more aggressive because its just a simulation. Which is going to make killing him in my next playthrough all the more heartbreaking
*One last job 621*
*Buy your freedom*
This one hits the hardest for me
2:14 this had me crying
What bummed me out the most is that they made his fight way too easier than the other two
Lore wise it makes sense, but really feels like they did his character dirty considering his backstory
Poor Walter, dude was never a free man to begin with.
This is the Gwyn fight of AC6. The point is to punch you in the feels, not to be hard.
Well it makes sense story-wise, he's barely holding on at that point even struggling to speak.
Kinda like Vendrick fight in Dark Souls 2 I guess, it's not hard at all but hell does it make you feel.
I would imagine Walter definitely is desperately fighting against the brainwashing and going easy on you, considering how he basically one shotted Rusty.
idk about all of you but he was really hard for me, probably because i used pile bunker, the bazooka, and the songbirds/ice worm needles. tried to finish him off with pile bunker too
The thing is, when you compare this fight versus the FoR ending, you already had your final boss in the form of upgraded Balteus, Walter here is basically you having your Freud equivalent at the end instead.
I sobbed
KINDLING FOR THE FIRE??
CHOSEN UNDEAD, YOU HAVE TO LINK THE FLAME
Because of Walters augmentation he can now see Ayre, who is a being made of coral and Walters mission was to burn all the coral on Rubicon. thus the fires of Raven ending and this Dialogue "That voice... 621.. I see it next to you...yes... kindling for the fire"
While we heard walter, the coral sounds like........
There are no happy endings in Armored Core
And mfers will really tell you this is the "good ending"
undo the surgery...be normal again.. Walter didn't only say this to us to convice us to stop fighting against him.. he said it because he desperately wants to do that himself
I hope you do one for the other Ending/Boss Fight
I did record parts of it, but I ran into some cut?/Idk how to trigger dialogue, so Im replaying the game to figure that out.
@@GreyCaliber No pressure man, thank you! Will look forward to it!
Dude! Wtf! All this while I was under the assumption that, Walter got angered by your betrayal, and stole the institute HAL AC, and killed Rusty and tried to stop you.
Only now, I realize, he was captured by Arquebus & Re-educated, and was promised that his surgery will be undone if he fulfills his mission? That's insane.
Liberator ending is even worse than the 'Fires of Raven' ending.
Partially correct, he was brainwashed by Arquebus to fight and kill raven, but the part about his mission is referring to burning the coral. What we hear is a fight between the re-education and his friends' wishes, but ultimately let's 621 decide the fate of rubicon
theres evidence to suggest that the AC he uses in his fight is actually his, arquebus didn't give it to him. for one in ng++ if you look closely the symbol for it in the arena is the same one used by walter when he talks to you in the garage. and also at the very end of ng++, the intro cutscene for the boss fight shows the wreckage of that same AC, and it is confirmed that walter piloted it, and he did it without being captured and re-educated by arquebus.
@@ALUCARD-us3il Excellent observation. I tend to agree! Now that I think about, isn't there some lore note as well suggesting or alluding to a pilot. Or am I just imagining it?
@@AlphaPsionic also, when Walter was talking about the surgery, he was referring to 621( aka you), not himself, he was literally begging you to buy back your original life before becoming augmented, and with you having earned literally millions of credits by the time you get to this fight, you are definitely rich enough to undo the augmentation surgery and become a normal person again.
@@AlphaPsionic HAL-826 is the Only IBIS series AC designed for a human pilot, Ayre confirms this before you fight it in the arena, the other ibis craft are directly controlled by coral.
ho cool, im depressed now
Where are Japanese version and cut dialogue?
I never did the Japanese version of this fight, and I think I did revisit this for cut dialogue, but I didn't see anything of note.
I want to know the ost for this boss fight
The Man Who Passed The Torch
I can't believe people called this game's OST mid.
Whats your audio settings to highlight the dialogs and OST?
Ok