Thank you! I have been fighting with this word for 2 years!!! Nobody ever has the explanation I need. I didn't even realise they were different u's. A MILLION THANKS!
Recently my Home section just all about entertaining videos and suddenly RUclips recommended yours and I was like, surprised and happy at the same time! It's like meeting a long-time-no-see friend! Btw, love your amazing video as always!
This is good because it shows us the correct tongue position for 出 and the correct mouth shape for 出 and 去 it also produces the correct tones but it does not explain the correct tongue position for the initial (pinyin q) in 去. "tongue behind the teeth" (touching? not touching?) does that refer to the position for the final of 去 or the initial and final? I really don't know where the tongue should be for 去 from this; otherwise its very good. It's generally not a good teaching method to produce the incorrect sound, that just reinforces mistakes. Rather the teacher should always produce the correct sound leaving it to the students to listen and repeat over and over again until the student hears the difference and produces the sound correctly. It's a 90% good video but those are my honest suggestions for how to improve it.
Yeah, too many different sounds and not good repeating the wrong sound at the end after we've been trying to remember the correct sound. I just avoid this phrase lol I only use it with my husband because he accepts my pathetic attempt as being cute😂 and then shows me how he folds his tongue to produce the correct sound and I'm just like, "well... I've never been able to fold my tongue, either, so that technique is never going to help me" lol
Personally I struggle with getting "chi / ㄔ" and "qu / ㄑㄩ" to sound different. For example when saying, 出去吃 (chūqù chī / ㄔㄨㄑㄩˋㄔ) it sound more like chūqù qū / ㄔㄨㄑㄩˋㄑㄩ or chūchì chī / ㄔㄨㄔˋㄔ. I also haven't found any resource that clearly shows the difference. I know there should be one, but I don't think I pronounce it properly.
Nevermind, I practiced it and listened to my pronunciation and I think I got it now. The "-i / ㄭ" vowel sound that's in "zhī，chī，shī / ㄓ，ㄔ，ㄕ" etc. is still weird to me, but upon closer listening it's nevertheless quite distinct from the "ü / ㄩ" sound. Comparing "zhī / ㄓ" with "jū / ㄐㄩ" made that clearer to me. For those who are still having difficulties with this, I'd recommend trying to saying words that you are familiar with that use the "-i / ㄭ" sound, such as 知道 (zhīdào / ㄓㄉㄠˋ) and listen to how you say it. Then try saying the word using the "ü / ㄩ" sound and notice the difference. Hopefully that helps you too!
I’m Taiwanese. The difference between “qu/ㄑㄩ” and “chi/ㄔ” is that when pronouncing “zhi, chi, shi/ㄓ ㄔ ㄕ”, the front teeth and canine teeth can be seen. On the other hand, “ju, qu, xu/ㄐㄩ ㄑㄩ ㄒㄩ”, the lips effortlessly create a tiny space so that teeth would not be seen. The shape of mouth is just like pronouncing the English word “you”. A mirror may be a good tool for practicing. Hope it help!
Good question! But I’ll need to know your goal, your current LEVEL and what aspect you’d like improve (speaking/listening/writing/reading…? If you’re already in Taiwan, the most efficient is to learn directly how Taiwanese actually speak! I have a speaking workshop talking about how to speak naturally. It’s free. You can check out here mandarin-with-miss-lin.teachable.com/p/mandarin-speaking-tips-workshop If you’re intermediate level above, here is another free workshop mandarin-with-miss-lin.teachable.com/p/intermediate-advanced-free-workshop
As someone else mentioned, it's not the vowels but the consonants that are difficult to pronounce properly since they sound so similar. ㄔor ㄑ？never really know...
Thank you! I have been fighting with this word for 2 years!!! Nobody ever has the explanation I need. I didn't even realise they were different u's. A MILLION THANKS!
Just keep on give us Taiwanese training. Yõu are good for teaching
Thank you!
This video is brilliant! I've always struggled with this but it is now a lot clearer. Thank you!
شكرا
已經很好了👌👌
Recently my Home section just all about entertaining videos and suddenly RUclips recommended yours and I was like, surprised and happy at the same time! It's like meeting a long-time-no-see friend! Btw, love your amazing video as always!
Thanks for your message. I hope my video brings you joy of learning too 😁❤️
If you want to listen the whole word go to 3:23
you're welcome!
This is good because it shows us the correct tongue position for 出 and the correct mouth shape for 出 and 去
it also produces the correct tones
but it does not explain the correct tongue position for the initial (pinyin q) in 去. "tongue behind the teeth" (touching? not touching?) does that refer to the position for the final of 去 or the initial and final?
I really don't know where the tongue should be for 去 from this; otherwise its very good.
It's generally not a good teaching method to produce the incorrect sound, that just reinforces mistakes. Rather the teacher should always produce the correct sound leaving it to the students to listen and repeat over and over again until the student hears the difference and produces the sound correctly.
It's a 90% good video but those are my honest suggestions for how to improve it.
Yeah, too many different sounds and not good repeating the wrong sound at the end after we've been trying to remember the correct sound.
I just avoid this phrase lol
I only use it with my husband because he accepts my pathetic attempt as being cute😂 and then shows me how he folds his tongue to produce the correct sound and I'm just like, "well... I've never been able to fold my tongue, either, so that technique is never going to help me" lol
Personally I struggle with getting "chi / ㄔ" and "qu / ㄑㄩ" to sound different. For example when saying, 出去吃 (chūqù chī / ㄔㄨㄑㄩˋㄔ) it sound more like chūqù qū / ㄔㄨㄑㄩˋㄑㄩ or chūchì chī / ㄔㄨㄔˋㄔ. I also haven't found any resource that clearly shows the difference. I know there should be one, but I don't think I pronounce it properly.
Me too hahaha
ch lips rounded tongue up
q lips flat wide tongue low flat blow
I suck at it too and hope miss lin can help us get better at Q versus CH
Nevermind, I practiced it and listened to my pronunciation and I think I got it now. The "-i / ㄭ" vowel sound that's in "zhī，chī，shī / ㄓ，ㄔ，ㄕ" etc. is still weird to me, but upon closer listening it's nevertheless quite distinct from the "ü / ㄩ" sound. Comparing "zhī / ㄓ" with "jū / ㄐㄩ" made that clearer to me.
For those who are still having difficulties with this, I'd recommend trying to saying words that you are familiar with that use the "-i / ㄭ" sound, such as 知道 (zhīdào / ㄓㄉㄠˋ) and listen to how you say it. Then try saying the word using the "ü / ㄩ" sound and notice the difference. Hopefully that helps you too!
SAME
I’m Taiwanese. The difference between “qu/ㄑㄩ” and “chi/ㄔ” is that when pronouncing “zhi, chi, shi/ㄓ ㄔ ㄕ”, the front teeth and canine teeth can be seen. On the other hand, “ju, qu, xu/ㄐㄩ ㄑㄩ ㄒㄩ”, the lips effortlessly create a tiny space so that teeth would not be seen. The shape of mouth is just like pronouncing the English word “you”. A mirror may be a good tool for practicing. Hope it help!
Hi maam I have a question what's the best advice you can give me to learn chinese quick, im here in Taiwan and im planning to improve my chinese
Good question! But I’ll need to know your goal, your current LEVEL and what aspect you’d like improve (speaking/listening/writing/reading…?
If you’re already in Taiwan, the most efficient is to learn directly how Taiwanese actually speak! I have a speaking workshop talking about how to speak naturally. It’s free. You can check out here
mandarin-with-miss-lin.teachable.com/p/mandarin-speaking-tips-workshop
If you’re intermediate level above, here is another free workshop
mandarin-with-miss-lin.teachable.com/p/intermediate-advanced-free-workshop
I can say I can speak basic chinese but I can't write and read chinese 😕 in short I want to improve my chinese
好久不见
A moment of silence to everyone who doesn't have the letter ü in their mother tongue 🤣
I am a native English speaker. But I also speak French and that saved my butt.
In a nutshell: ㄔ = tongue up;
ㄑ= tongue down
As someone else mentioned, it's not the vowels but the consonants that are difficult to pronounce properly since they sound so similar. ㄔor ㄑ？never really know...