Great content! I work in the industry so I thought I'd point out a few minor errors: Jet B is not commonly in use anymore, and while it does have a lower freeze point, it is also more flammable (think of it as a mix of kerosene & naptha) and is more difficult to handle. I think you might be referring to Jet A1 as the lower temperature jet fuel. Jet A is normally only available in the USA and it's reference standard ASTM D1655; Jet A1 is the norm outside of the USA and there are several other reference standards that govern Jet A1 depending on the country (Canada, UK, Eastern Europe to name a few). The US Military uses JP-8, which is Jet A1 with an additive package (anti-ice, anti-corrosion, and static dissipator).
In 2007, a NASCAR team was heavily penalized (and their competition director permanently banned from the sport) when it was discovered they had lined the walls of their intake manifolds with a jet fuel derivative for more power.
Wonderfully explained! I myself am an aircraft fueler at Boston Logan International and I absolutely love it. Fueling and fuel systems now fascinate me!
Great Video... I did know the difference... The SR-71 video I saw a long time ago talk about jet fuel and how it was designed not to ignite because the plane would leak fuel on the ground. When the plane was flying, it would get so hot that the skin of the plane would expand and seal the leaks...
Arctic trucks at South Pole was no stunt but a standard day out, limited access to fuel supplies from union glacier to South Pole means most our equipment runs on some form of avgas which limits what we have to pay to fly in, landlocked means no shipping access so all comes in by plane. Have worked there for a few years.
I’d find the differences between Automobile furl and Piston Engine Aviation Fuel a little more interesting. . . the differences between 94 Octane Sunoco, 80/87 fuel, 100 Low Aleaf, for example. . .
Basically, 100LL aviation gasoline is alkylate and toluene plus lead additive. Automotive gasoline is alkylate and other gasoline components from refining processes plus ethanol. 80/87 Avgas is no longer made. Alkylate is a very high octane "synthetic" gasoline, first used in WWII aviation gasoline and is now a major component of unleaded auto fuel, particularly the Sunoco 94 you mentioned. 92UL is an unleaded aviation gasoline without ethanol that is not commonly available in North America.
@@Kalvinjj While avgas is a small, specialized market, there are still many thousands of small aircraft, like I fly. Most need 100 octane. Shell, and others have worked over a decade to develop a lead-free substitute. The FAA has had test samples for years, with no approvals. Rumor has it that the stuff is nastier (except for lead) in that it can strip paint.
@@cdl0 Assuming the car was so old that it had no O2 sensor nor cat converter, cleaned the spark plugs and changed the oil extra frequently, no problem. We had a '65 Chevy with the Corvette engine. In California, the only gasoline that wouldnt ping was Chevron Custom Supreme, 104 Octane (research method, different from today's, or aviation rating). That gas was heavy on the alkylate, but lead was less than aviation levels.
Keep in mind the JP (Jet Petroleum) series of fuels JP1 thru JP8. They all have advantages in certain situations. We've run gas turbines on alcohol also. It lights off smoothly but has only 1/2 the heat/calories so you have to use twice as much. May be hard for the fuel control(s) to keep up.
Some more details about the hydrocarbons in jet fuel should have been given. It would have been better if a detailed video was put up in Long Haul by Simple Flying.
what are those additives exactly? is one of those many additives they put in kerosine maybe some Aluminium containing substance? could that explain all the aluminiumoxide we find all over the planet in nature where it should not be?
Cold weather climates I would believe do not indicate what fuel the aircraft will be using. At 36000 feet the temperature outside is more than -50 C which precludes using Jet A for the most part. Of course there is a time factor so a short haul aircraft may get away with Jet A and a high altitude for a limited time but a trans Atlantic flight not so much. The USAF using only Jet B makes sense, they fly everywhere literally so why make a logistical nightmare plus maybe losing a few aircraft if not needed.
@@jimandmandy that flight used Jet A1. Following that incident a small adjustment was made to the oil/fuel heat exchange system to prevent it happening again.
Isn't jet fuel the same as #1 diesel, also known as #1 fuel oil? Road and rail vehicles, meanwhile, use the standard #2 diesel, also known as #2 fuel oil.
The main advantage is that jet fuel is more energy dense than gasoline. It also has a much higher flash point so it’s not as easy to ignite with a simple spark.
Poorly done video. Very rushed while showing charts that don’t match the discussion. Also didn’t answer what I thought the question was, can it be used in cars... regular gasoline... and the difference.
@@alexnutcasio936 It was used with petrol cars which had preheater installed but taxing killed it. Petrol was only needed for starting and short period after that.
@@813Goat perhaps I am outdated. I know that all the trucks and equipment we have is stenciled JP8. JP8 and Jet A1 are only marginally different, primarily extra corrosion inhibitors for situations where equipment sits fueled for long periods of time without being used, if I understand correctly.
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Great content! I work in the industry so I thought I'd point out a few minor errors: Jet B is not commonly in use anymore, and while it does have a lower freeze point, it is also more flammable (think of it as a mix of kerosene & naptha) and is more difficult to handle. I think you might be referring to Jet A1 as the lower temperature jet fuel. Jet A is normally only available in the USA and it's reference standard ASTM D1655; Jet A1 is the norm outside of the USA and there are several other reference standards that govern Jet A1 depending on the country (Canada, UK, Eastern Europe to name a few). The US Military uses JP-8, which is Jet A1 with an additive package (anti-ice, anti-corrosion, and static dissipator).
Thanks m8!
The US Air Force switched to Jet A1 at all stateside bases from 2009 to 2014.
Also, the icing inhibitor additive is to prevent freezing of water in the fuel, not of the fuel itself as was suggested in the video.
You provided the relevant informations.
Correct, Jet B has a lower freezing point but also has a lower flashpoint than Jet A and Jet A1.
Things I thought of but was too lazy to do research,
Thanks!
In 2007, a NASCAR team was heavily penalized (and their competition director permanently banned from the sport) when it was discovered they had lined the walls of their intake manifolds with a jet fuel derivative for more power.
Wow these videos I’ve never wondered it’s kinda cool and makes me excited to see em happy holidays
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Much needed video, thanks to the Simpleflying team!
Wonderfully explained! I myself am an aircraft fueler at Boston Logan International and I absolutely love it. Fueling and fuel systems now fascinate me!
Jet A freezing point (waxing) is -40°C
Jet A1 freezing point (waxing) is -47°C
Great Video... I did know the difference... The SR-71 video I saw a long time ago talk about jet fuel and how it was designed not to ignite because the plane would leak fuel on the ground. When the plane was flying, it would get so hot that the skin of the plane would expand and seal the leaks...
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Aviation fuel is basically diesel, that has additives so it doesnt attract water and freeze/turn into jello.
Arctic trucks at South Pole was no stunt but a standard day out, limited access to fuel supplies from union glacier to South Pole means most our equipment runs on some form of avgas which limits what we have to pay to fly in, landlocked means no shipping access so all comes in by plane. Have worked there for a few years.
I’d find the differences between Automobile furl and Piston Engine Aviation Fuel a little more interesting. . . the differences between 94 Octane Sunoco, 80/87 fuel, 100 Low Aleaf, for example. . .
Basically, 100LL aviation gasoline is alkylate and toluene plus lead additive. Automotive gasoline is alkylate and other gasoline components from refining processes plus ethanol. 80/87 Avgas is no longer made. Alkylate is a very high octane "synthetic" gasoline, first used in WWII aviation gasoline and is now a major component of unleaded auto fuel, particularly the Sunoco 94 you mentioned. 92UL is an unleaded aviation gasoline without ethanol that is not commonly available in North America.
@@jimandmandy Damn 100LL sounds nasty as heck... I wonder how much they are still developing avgas considering the major commercial shift to turbines.
@@Kalvinjj While avgas is a small, specialized market, there are still many thousands of small aircraft, like I fly. Most need 100 octane. Shell, and others have worked over a decade to develop a lead-free substitute. The FAA has had test samples for years, with no approvals. Rumor has it that the stuff is nastier (except for lead) in that it can strip paint.
Well, many years ago, I witnessed the owner of a small airport refueling his Rolls Royce with aviation gasoline. It was clearly acceptable for him!
@@cdl0 Assuming the car was so old that it had no O2 sensor nor cat converter, cleaned the spark plugs and changed the oil extra frequently, no problem. We had a '65 Chevy with the Corvette engine. In California, the only gasoline that wouldnt ping was Chevron Custom Supreme, 104 Octane (research method, different from today's, or aviation rating). That gas was heavy on the alkylate, but lead was less than aviation levels.
Interesting clip but does jet fuel get compressed in the combustion chamber & what happens at high altitudes !
Keep in mind the JP (Jet Petroleum) series of fuels JP1 thru JP8. They all have advantages in certain situations.
We've run gas turbines on alcohol also.
It lights off smoothly but has only 1/2 the heat/calories so you have to use twice as much. May be hard for the fuel control(s) to keep up.
i expected a comparison between either Aviation Gas vs Gasoline or Jet Fuel vs Diesel. But here it was more of Jet A vs Jet B vs Gasoline????
one of your best videos yet. Thank you.
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Wow!
Very interesting information! TY
Some more details about the hydrocarbons in jet fuel should have been given.
It would have been better if a detailed video was put up in Long Haul by Simple Flying.
Diesel and jet fuels are a complex soup consisting of dozens of different hydrocarbons and differ depending on region.
Fun fact - normal petrol for car are much expensive thn jet fuel ( jet -a1)
Anyone else disappointed Douglas couldn't have run the spare off into his Lexus after all?
So how much does one barrel of Jet A cost in Dec 2020 ? Is it going up or down in price . Thank You .
“Did you know about the differences and the various types of fuels?”
No, thats why i clicked this video…
Won’t it freeze up in the air in wing?
If salicornia based additives can substite 50% or more fuel then god knows what will replace jet a-1?
JE85 a-1?
So that's why Peter got a blue pickup truck and put jet fuel in it...
what are those additives exactly?
is one of those many additives they put in kerosine maybe some Aluminium containing substance?
could that explain all the aluminiumoxide we find all over the planet in nature where it should not be?
But will a diesel engine be able to run on jet fuel if needed? Got this question because of Ace Combat 7
So is avgas a safe use for small 2-stroke tools with oil added? I like the storage life aspect and no ethanol ruining the carb.
Yes
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These guys obviously didn't do much research...
i think so too, and they didnt even say there is lead in airplane fuel.. or i may have missed it
Very good information.
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Excellent video
Great Video
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Toyota used Jet A1 to power the diesel Hilux's in Antarctica i do believe.
Because kerosene will flow at lower temperature. Pretty much all diesel equipment in Antartica is running on JetA1/JP8
that is correct.
GREAT CONTENT
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What about 100LL?
Right? That was whole reason I clicked on the video.
is S7 using Jet B?
I always thought that jet fuel would be somewhat similar to diesel fuel.
Same here
Drag force and weight can be turned into fuel
great vid
Cold weather climates I would believe do not indicate what fuel the aircraft will be using. At 36000 feet the temperature outside is more than -50 C which precludes using Jet A for the most part. Of course there is a time factor so a short haul aircraft may get away with Jet A and a high altitude for a limited time but a trans Atlantic flight not so much. The USAF using only Jet B makes sense, they fly everywhere literally so why make a logistical nightmare plus maybe losing a few aircraft if not needed.
interesting point, apparently fuel heaters are used, according to the wiki page on jet fuel. a heat exchanger between fuel and oil?
they also use JP8, A1+aditives.
@@joechang8696 Look up British Airways flight 38 crash at Heathrow report. Ice crystals were too much for the oil-fuel heat exchanger.
@@jimandmandy that flight used Jet A1. Following that incident a small adjustment was made to the oil/fuel heat exchange system to prevent it happening again.
Isn't jet fuel the same as #1 diesel, also known as #1 fuel oil? Road and rail vehicles, meanwhile, use the standard #2 diesel, also known as #2 fuel oil.
I've often wondered how you can power a car by aviation fuel?
Peter Griffin did
Hydrocarbon MOLECULES! NOT atoms
Boats use what they call bunker fuel. Cheap, but dirty.
Bunker fuel was phased out this year globally.
Your car probably can run on jet fuel but need a bit of tuning.
To be honest I didn't think of this topic
The smell is cleaner to me. Gasoline and diesel smell funky/musky.
So the primary reason why they use different fuel is because of freezing point?
The main advantage is that jet fuel is more energy dense than gasoline. It also has a much higher flash point so it’s not as easy to ignite with a simple spark.
No I have never wondered why jet fuel can’t be used in cars.
I know *exactly* how it differs. It's way more expensive!
Kerosine is usaly cheaper then diesel tho.
Poorly done video. Very rushed while showing charts that don’t match the discussion. Also didn’t answer what I thought the question was, can it be used in cars... regular gasoline... and the difference.
fffanman it can be used in diesel cars, but not petrol ( gasoline) cars.
@@alexnutcasio936 It was used with petrol cars which had preheater installed but taxing killed it. Petrol was only needed for starting and short period after that.
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Next video, What happens if you consume and drink jet fuel?
Some planes use diesel
Wow
Air Force uses Jet A not Jet B
USAF uses JP8
@@plcwboy The Air Force switched to Jet A at all stateside bases from 2009 and finished in 2014.
@@813Goat perhaps I am outdated. I know that all the trucks and equipment we have is stenciled JP8. JP8 and Jet A1 are only marginally different, primarily extra corrosion inhibitors for situations where equipment sits fueled for long periods of time without being used, if I understand correctly.
mustard is the answer
Bro wtf is aviation fuel, they didn’t even care to fix it
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cars are built with steel beams
that's illegal
and where is all that liquid fuel stored???
In the wings, which are the fuel tanks, and in a center wing tank, that's between the left and right wing.
@@robshef718 nonsense
@@cdimmm lol.. then where? lol. wow dude really?
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