Realistically the moral of the story is: boycott shell chargers until they sort out the dodgy chargers and extortionate charging costs. 85p/kwh?! insanity
Yeah the price gouging on public charges is absolute madness. It was only 3-4 years ago where an ecotricity (rip) charger was 30p/kwh and that was considered expensive! The average price you're paying for a charge has tripled.
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any easier.! When charging using a Tesla supercharger, you don’t have to tap the flap to open it, there is a button under your thumb as you pick up the plug, press it and your charge door opens. and you don’t have to tap the flap to close it, it will close by itself after about 3 seconds.
interesting but not really a fair comparison was it - markedly different routes, keeping the Tesla well inside its optimal charge speed window while taking the MG4 down to the last few % etc. If you'd both stopped at comparable sites (eg Exeter services) and compared it might have been better (and a bit cheaper for the MG4 too). I suspect that the efficiency would have been closer too.
Also, most people would be able to charge at the destination on a normal longish journey, or for day to day usage. So if they add up all the kWhs then: Tesla used 162.8 kWh @27p, would cost around £44 MG used 176.6 kWh @27p, would cost £48 That's a difference or only 8% in efficiency, and 4 quid is not the difference they made it out to be. If you drive 10,000 miles a year the cost difference @27p would be like £200. I would say that justifies the £6000 price difference.
So, the big takeaway from this - Doug is terrible at picking where to charge. If he's also stopped at Exeter, it would've been cheaper and has just as many Gridserve chargers as Tesla ones.
Doug could have charged at Exeter, you're right. It's always a gamble picking the best place to make a charging stop! However, there are 32 Tesla Superchargers at Exeter. Only six Gridserve and all of those are 50kW, so not that quick.
@@whatcar not true, there are well over 10 non tesla chargers and several are 350kw at Exeter Services. Things move quickly, even in Devon😂😂 there are also 16 150kw chargers at Buckfastleigh, 100 yards off the A38.
@@devonbikefilms We've just double checked Moto's own website for Exeter and it says 6 x 50kW Gridserve chargers. Perhaps they were installed after we filmed this? In any case, the hope was that by using the MG's extra range to get further into the journey, the 4 would need to make fewer charging pitstops than the Model 3. moto-way.com/services/exeter/
I completely agree. Doug's experience would have been far better, if he'd chosen better chargers. For example, the second charger was clearly one that shares power, so was never going to get near the 140kW that the MG4 is capable of. This meant he'd lost the advantage of running so low, where the charging speed is quickest. But you can't argue with the supercharger experience in a Tesla, in terms of just plugging in, the price you pay and automatic routing.
I bought a Tesla Model S P85 back in 2014 and now 137,000 uk miles my experience is Ive only ever come across one stall broken back in 2016 and a tech turned up and swapped out a board fixed it, I just used the other stall. Ive only ever waited once for 15 minutes here at Trentham and Tesla have just doubled the bays from 8 to 18, wont be waiting here again then. I bought a Tesla as 44 years engineering in big auto world wide told me these guys meant business and if they were prepared to put their hands in their very shallow pockets at the time and put in the other half of the equation.....the charging infrastructure, I would be placing my order with them. It helped the car looked stunning and went like a missile and I would say I made the right decision still love driving this car, cancelled my Plaid order as I didnt fancy left hand drive, Ill hang on for my Roadster. I can tell you Tesla integrated Sat Nav and Superchargers is ALWAYS right and shows you how many bays free BEFORE you get there and the range prediction is dead accurate. Note if you ever get in a situation where you have had to put your foot down and / or had a road closure and used more than anticipated the car works out if there is any chance of running out and diverts you to a nearer charger.......easyer than filling stations and especially as mine being a pre 2016 car its FREE FOR LIFE.....next car?...Tesla.....BTW Instavolt good but double the price of Tesla, I use them for my Zero SRF electric bike. Good Test cuts out all the BS. And please note everyone Tesla is OPENING UP ITS SUPERCHARGER NETWORK to all makes over the next few months and you can get the same kW price if you pay £10ish a month or just pay 10% more and no joining fee, Id say that was super cheap plus guess what its going to bully every other charge supplier into bringing down the crazy prices.......see Elons alright!
Yep, I agree. I've never experienced a single problem with using (or not being able to use) a charger in my 2 Yr ownership experience either here in the UK and Europe. I've never queued, never had a failed charge, never seen a broken charger, never (intentionally) had to charge more than 15 mins, typically 10, on road trips. We did a trip to the costa del sol and back last year, ut was a delightful, hassle and stress free experience. The Tesla sat nav planned my whole route door to door, planned the charging stops for me in advance and the autopilot allowed me the freedom to relax and take notice of the scenery en-route. The supercharger network and management of the whole charging experience is the jewel in Teslas Crown. As a politition once said " it just weeerks"! Just over 2 yr ownership now so I'm planning on a change. My next car will be....another Tesla but I'm torn between a model Y for the versatility of a hatchback and the huuuge storage area and easier access/ egress due to the increased height (its an age thing🙄), but have now had my head turned by the refresh model 3.....decisions, decisions! I wouldn't go back to a smelly polluting diesel, no way!
@@David-bl1bt I tuned and rebuilt classic motorcycles decided to take one out for a run, pretty much forgotten how to fill up so I saw Shell V power and filled her up, Ive no sense of smell so never detected it was diesal! 2 hrs later and £20 for two gallon tins ive drained the bike given away the stinky stuff and refillled. Being carburettors theres no harm done and the bike even ran on it. I get home and my clothes my wallet my bike are all stinking of diesal..........just sealed the deal for me its rediculas putting liquids in your transport....Ill just be using the Zero from now on I cant do garages anymore.
I received my model Y last month. After Covid, the Porsche Cayenne hybrid wasn’t really living up to the expectations of the high monthly payments. Nice interior but relatively boring performance and v expensive to run compared to the Y. The Tesla Y on the other hand drives like a dream. Love the acceleration, the space (including the front trunk!) unfussy interior, superb sound system and general drive of the car. Ok it may not have the stylings of a Porsche but it’s not costing me 90k or 2k a month. I absolutely love it. I have driven Porsches for the last 15 years. I think I might just be driving Tesla’s for the next 15 Elon is indeed right!
@@24kHERTZ I never got to drive a 911, many years ago I was 19 and riding teh fastest accelerating motorbikes at the time Kawasaki 500 H1 I had a car keep up with me 0-60 on a Belgian duel carriageway it was a Porsche Turbo I was impressed. As time went on I progressed to Suzuki 1000 K5 0-60 in 2.7 seconds in you were good at keeping it right way up so Ive always loved acceleration. I know Porsche do a magnificent job of cornering and stopping plus their fit and finish are top notch but you seriously pay for in hard cash and service costs. As soon as I experienced to 0-60 in 4 seconds of my RWD P85 I thought this will do this all day and every day with minimal service wear, it carries my 29er mountain bike wheels on or 5 people and their luggage yet is quiet smooth and comfortable yet costs less than a moped to run, perfect compromises. People expect sports bike to launch well and 911s but not executive 5 door hulks so 4 seconds is about as crazy fast as you can use on a public road without catching people out too much. Im impressed with the handling it seems to be known the RWD cars are sweeter to corner dare I say it RWD rear engine/motor some of the 911 dynamics may be there. Either way dont see me ever getting that 911 now Im too sold on EV torque...now EV 911 that sounds interesting.
@1:15 The new updated Model 3+ just released in the UK today 10/17 and apparently it now starts £39,990. Not much more than the MG4 and the new Model 3+ has tons of improvements. That completely changes this comparison.
Another thing to consider is that when you buy a Tesla it comes loaded with everything unlike other cars where the base price is a lot less than what you end up paying.
One thing that would have significantly improved the experience in the MG4 is A Better Route Planner instead of other charging map apps: at least it would have eliminated the guess work about the best charging place / strategy.
Definitely agree with this. It would have allowed him to stop at Chargers that weren't so ridiculously expensive and sometimes shorter but more frequent stops are better for charging speed. Dough seemed to be so fixated on only stopping twice but like he said he had it ramp up them take a nose dive in charging speeds. One thing as an electric car owner is know your charging curve (Fastned is great for it's graphs on this) and that way you know that once it drops off you're better just moving on and charging later as it'll be faster.
Having tried ABRP for a few months with my Corsa-e, and subsequently owning a Tesla, it's OK at best. The Android Auto experience was pretty shoddy. It doesn't hold a candle to Tesla's system. It's certainly better than not having it, but unless you have a live data connection to your car, ABRP is going to be left guessing a lot of things. I linked mine up with an OBD-II reader, and it massively improved the experience.
Thanks for the nice real-life comparison video! But, since Tesla opened its Supercharger stations for third party EVs, it would would be interesting to compare efficiency and costs of charging both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs on Tesla Supercharger stations.
@@dozer5069 Tesla has opened ALL supercharges in the whole of norway for other cars. I only use tesla SC on my MG4 and it always maxes out at 137kw in every session and it keeps this number from 10-65% constant. It is completely awsome.
Excellent comparison of a specific use-case where public charging is used for a (very) long journey. Many people using their cars on the road for significant distances every day will find this very helpful. I have only recently bought an EV as a second car for regular short-journey use with discounted home charging almost my only source of power - this illustrates how your planned usage is a key factor in choosing an EV.
I have a standard range MG 4 and it's perfect for the kind of trips I do. If I was road tripping a lot it's clear the Extended range car is not the bargain of the cheaper cars and the car for that purpose is the Tesla. Interestingly Bjorn Nyland has done the 1000 km challenge with the Tesla 3 and the Long range MG with only 10 minutes longer taken in the MG. But that's in Norway.
Yes. His 1,000km tests are much more rigorous. In particular he doesn't make mistakes like the ones here when selecting chargers for the MG. These mistakes are what made the MG look worse than in Bjørn's tests. On the other hand, it is true that the Tesla does do more hand-holding making the errors less likely.
Been driving my new MG4 for about a month and haven't had any issues. Well worth the value. Also recommend getting an Octopus Electroverse charging card for free 🤙🏻
@@bartwaggoner2000 the thing is a standard range MG4 will do a perfect job for most people most of the time, and you'd maybe have to charge for an extra 20min to do that same journey. A brand new one is under 20k pounds on the continent now with subsidies, that half the price of a base model 3
@@bartwaggoner2000 ... Ha ha the MG will have zero retail value... One of my wife's friends made the mistake of buying one. Six repairs later in three months. Trim falling off everywhere. Computer system jamming. There will be zero residual value. Not half.
In my experience stick with instavolt for charging. They're in a lot of McDonald's drive throughs as well so quite easy to find. Personally I try to use them exclusively and they've yet to let me down.
I have to agree. They may be quite expensive, but they are reliable compared to other non-Tesla chargers. If you don't do lots of long journeys then the reliability is far more valuable than the occasional expense.
You are spot on Roger. We need to make a great big fuss about it - turn London into an ev car park with horns and banners - they would in France - and they would get a result - but I forget, we're British and therefore totally lacking any sense (indeed phobic) of community or solidarity (unless we are shaking little flags at the sky and committing lemming like economic suicide by cutting ourselves off from our closest and most effective economic zone). So long as we keep bending over we will keep getting shafted. Wake up England and make a sustainable, home generated, nationally owned and ultimately cheap energy supply a reality.@@rogerphelps9939
You forgot to add £2100 extra for the red colour of the Tesla and another £1100 for the white interior. The price you quoted only gets you the white exterior with black interior. Obviously that does not affect the performance, but saying "I am driving the cheapest Tesla you can buy" was misleading.
@@ronrubble I've just visited the Tesla website and priced up a Model 3. The advertised price is £42,990. When you continue to make an order they do further break that down to: Vehicle Subtotal £42,000 Destination & doc fee £935 First Registration Fee £55 Purchase Price £42,990 So the advertised price includes the fees they're not extras.
I travelled in an e-Niro to Inverness and back (Sussex) in early summer and had zero issues with charging anywhere. Having said that, it wasn't cheap (Gridserve, BP Pulse, Applegreen, Tesla)
This is the first time someone did a real road range test of a Standard Model 3- thanks for that! All other reviews I have seen so far always tested Long Range Model 3 against other EVs. This is very useful data before buying a Model 3 Standard range. Nice to see that Tesla's Supercharger network is growing and is much cheaper than public charging network. Thank you guys!
The Tesla model 3 is definitely a better car, no doubt, and I would love to own one. Also your video clearly shows how Tesla have created huge convenience for their customers and brand advantage with the vastly superior Supercharger network. If they can do it and still make money, and the government is committed to net Zero why can't the government do it as well. But despite this I run an MG4 Standard Range, and in the real world the differences are very much less marked. For a lot of people, myself included, 90% of charging is done at home on a cheap overnight tariff at 9p per kw hour. Also in more local everyday driving the consumption averages out throughout the year at 4m/kwh or 200 miles. When using "public" chargers a really good trick if convenient for your route is to use one of the (limited number of) Tesla Superchargers which are open to the public, I found 3 on my most frequent long distance route. They are invariably not occupied, working, fast and usually a lot cheaper even for non Tesla owners. The charging rate difference between the 2 cars is also not so important, I don't like to drive more than two hours without a break, and the
It's true that it's easier to charge on longer journeys as it stands with a Tesla, but 99% of my journeys and yours are done to go to work, drive around and do some errands. I can't recall last time I used a dc fast charger with my mg. I charge at home 99% of the time. For that 1% I would do a trip, I'd have to suck it up but I had zero issues or wait time at dc fast chargers so far (I live in Australia)
The media is obsessed with range. The guy in the Tesla was much more realistic, stopping for lunch and charging, rather than carry on just to prove a point about range. And despite the Tesla being a bit quicker at charging, it goes to show that more frequent quicker stops aren’t any slower, many times quicker as the car chargers faster at a lower state of charge. In the UK and most of Europe a 200 mile range is more than enough for long journeys. Yes, the charging infrastructure is not perfect, but it is growing rapidly. For people new to EVs then range anxiety is a thing, but when you get used to the car and EVs in general, range anxiety largely becomes a thing of the past.
Great review and Doug's experience is actually fairly representative of a a lot of users unless you are familiar with an area and know where the best chargers are. It shouldn't be like that, if the case for EVs is to be convincing, the cars need to be less expensive to buy and the charging network needs to be reliable, plentiful, and have fair pricing. The Shell charger rate is just thinly disguised robbery.
@@AcnasheenBMW3 (330i) road trip 620miles, £120 Tesla model 3 road trip 620miles, £54 of course, charging at home is way cheaper, which is not possible with a dino fuel car, electricity will be cheaper in the future, gas prices will rise. In 2030 major cities will ban gas cars. So you think in 2027 people will still buy gas cars? Hmmm (calculation based in 30mile per gallon for a BMW 3 (330i), price £5.83 per gallon)
@@MarcoYolo420 : how could electricity be cheaper in the future ?!? how many power plants will they have to build to feed EVs ? where will they find the metal(s) necessary to build EVs ? dream on !
@@Acnasheen The not so obvious thing is that we already use a gargantuan amount of electricity for a thousand things. Replacing every car with an EV doesn't actually increase the total demand on the grid by as much as you'd think. For one, most EVs are charged at home overnight when there's plenty of unused spare capacity. In the future when there's excess solar power in the grid, that excess could be soaked up by EV batteries instead of discarded. The batteries in these two cars are mostly lithium and iron. They contain zero nickel and zero cobalt, the "controversial" metals. Lithium is hyper-abundant. Iron is hyper abundant. To suggest we can't find enough iron or lithium is stupendously absurd.
@@sjwright2 : in switzerland, they count on a 30% increase of electricity consumption if we turn 100% EVs in france : 14 nuclear reactors more in chile : it’s 200 MILLION litres water used daily in lithium production etc. etc. l sais EVs are over in 4 years now, l think it’s 2024
I drove from the North West to Wales and back at the end of August in my MG4 Trophy. 500 miles round trip, AC was occasionally used, didn't slouch and managed 4.2kwh.
That EXACT backup charger used for the MG caused us massive issues. Decided to risk our trip and go to our destination with 3% battery. The Exeter charger we waited about 30 min in a queue but within 30 min had more then enough to drive the 200 miles home
@drdewott9154 yeah its just an annoying charger. Tried 3 different bank cards and non worked. Luckily our destination was mostly downhill from there so regen worked in our favour. Wouldn't have made it without it imo
Nice one, i own Tesla model 3 dual motor. I hope you know that you can open the charging port by pressing the button on the charging pistol? Also, it closes it self, when you unplug the charging.
That Shell charger is known to be dodgy and has been for ages. Did they not use Gridserve at Cornwall Services or Exeter for a reason, or maybe they were looking for a challenge 😊
Are they supposed to just know that? Or perhaps spend time scrolling back through the comments on ZapMap like reading reviews for restaurants? Chargers should just work. Tesla have shown it's possible to have great uptime and reliability. Why can't the other networks manage it?
We used Gridserve at Cornwall services last weekend. Very hit or miss with the first charger we used only giving 7 kW. Apparently they are still at the testing stage according to a sign there.
They decided on a winner before they even started. Or, maybe they haven't heard of Zap Map. It's not like they're serious motoring journalists or anything.
I rep for a company in Cumbria, and travel circa 180 miles some days in a temp MG4, and have done for 10 months. I have just ordered the MG4 X-Power (£36k) as my own (company) car. When doing the math, the MG4 was the best bet, largely as I get most of my charge at home/work, but when I do travel further and into Scotland, there is no Tesla Supercharger network, so I was no further ahead with the benefits of the Tesla, so the gap was closed. Coupled with the 10p per private mile price cap, and the 430hp 4wd of the MG, it was the weapon of choice for me.
It's a lot more than a facelift. (talking about the new model 3) For this test specifically, the efficiency has increased by about 5%, which would have changed the results. The interior has changed a lot, including cooled seats, noise reduction and interior lightning.
I only plan to stop at charging hubs with 6 or more chargers, for non-Tesla. There is a big Grid Serve hub at Exeter, not sure why you did not use that? My BMW i4 will return between 3.8 and 4.2 miles per KWH for motorway journeys (200 miles). And why not find a hotel with a destination charger?
After Exeter you hit Dartmoor, which is a climb lasting around 22 miles and a gain of around 800 feet. This hammers the battery. Then you cross the Tamar and have Bodmin Moor - another long climb. Stopping in Exeter is always a sound move.
Agreed. I charge at Exeter or the Ionity at Collumpton just before. Then it's a top up at Cornwall services before some Swarco E Connect destination chargers on the Cornish coast
The gem in the MG4 range seems to be the lowest spec SE trim with LFP battery and 218 miles of range. Hence I think this test would have been more interesting if you had included a MG4 SE in it to see how much longer the trip would have taken in one. As for many people such long trips would be occasional. If the Model 3 RWD is £40K and the MG4 SE is £27K I would probably be fine with taking a few more toilet/rest stops on the occasional long trip to save £13K.
I've had my long range model 3 for just under a month and so far I'm so pleased with it, my previous EV was a Peugeot e-208 GT, which I had for just over a year before it was completely written off in an accident which fortunately was not my fault and enabled me to get the Tesla. So pleased with it and although the Peugeot was a nice car to drive, the Tesla is in a different league. Its excellent!
Yes, it's true. They really really shouldn't be comparing the Tesla to the Chinese mobile. They may be the same size, but they are light years different under the hood. The battery technology, computer technology, charging infrastructure, resale value, it's like comparing a Yuggo to a Porsche.
@@damiendye6623 Doesn't mean they are both Chinese. Tesla is not owned and designed by the Chinese. Take batteries, for example, even tho they were both manufactured in the same factory, the batteries are totally different in terms of design, packaging, sealing, and quality. Tesla is clearly far better than Chinese EV cars
@@willwu6960 rubbish, if you had a lfp Tesla it would charge at the same rate. Btw mg is designed in the UK design studio. The quality of Chinese ev is on a par with Germany. I was an advocate of Tesla but poor build quality and the number of recalls has put me right off. The fact the Tesla doesn't have any underseal says it all
I'm surprised at the BHP numbers, i've driven the MG and would call it adequately fast, not really quick. Also driven 120km and lost 150km of range. Still like the MG, great first choice for an EV, i even used the lane centering - pilot. Also 85p/kwh charging at shell is highway robbery. Even tesla's at ~35p/kwh is not that low. At home we can get around 10p/kwh which REALLY makes the difference.
Tesla's rate at 35p/kWh is a good rate. Charging equipment costs £50k+ per stall to install, plus annual maintenance, and they don't get subsidised night time electricity rates. Shell's 85p/kWh is robbery though I do avoid them.
In Australia I would really struggle to find anything as high as 85p equivalent. It’s truly extortionate especially given the masses of renewable energy in the UK grid during the day. In all cases, home charging wins. Do that all the time except twice a year and it _kind of_ evens you out
Another nice thing about Tesla’s trip computer is that it takes elevation into account on both climbs and descents. It is always accurate to the % of charge, every time.
Really enjoy your straight forward no nonsense commentary. We have had our Trophy nearly a year & has been a good choice. Now & again the centre display glitches but not much else to complain about.
Fantastic video guys and does show exactly why Tesla is still way ahead for any longer trips due to the Supercharger network and their integrated software. We have a non-Tesla EV but as a second car and rarely do any trips over 100 miles each way (have had the same issues with chargers shown here). We’ll only move to a family EV if and when we can either a) afford a Tesla, b) Tesla fully open up their Supercharger network or c) non-Tesla infrastructure is miles better. I know there are loads of people who manage this now but we just want something that’s simple, relatable and just works. Only Tesla deliver that at the moment.
As a current tesla owner, and previously BMW EV and Nissan EV owner I can say SC network is very overrated. The problem with chargers is mostly only UK problem, which gov should solve using regs
Costs in the UK are through the roof. I pay equivalent of 13 pence per KWH for home charging and a base Model 3 here in Australia is about 29,000 pounds. Fast charging is about 25-30 pence per KWH.
Great comparison. The race but not a race competition was reminiscent of the OG Top Gear. I like some things about the MG4 including the V2L capability and the lower price. The ease of use and charging network of Tesla is hard to beat though.
Tesla is impressive if you are on the road all day several days a week. I would not want to see the tyre and insurance bills compared to MG 4 however. For everyday trips charging at home with a few longer runs per month - the mg makes sense. Does anyone know what the typical price of a Tesla charger is for non tesla vehicles with the membership monthly subscription?
I've also had problems with service station chargers, everytime I plugged and tapped contactless on the debit card it said payment not authorised or rejected. I found out after three charging sessions having not been able to charge at any previous chargers that the reason the payment rejected was that I didn't put in a PIN number which there is no option to do so. If I had bought something at the service station (eg a bottle of water) using my PIN on the debit card it would have accepted my debit card at the chargers
If most of your driving is local, long distance driving is just a few times a year, can charge at home and want a more practical hatch back the MG makes more sense
@@alanwayte432and for every bad one like yours there’s multiple good ones including mine. Some earlier ones were lemons but the new ones are proving durable, well built and reliable across the board.
Please just to understand, did you calculate only the energy used for the trip? did you started with 100% and ended with 100% so The MG has used 161kw vs Tesla 101Kw to do around 600 miles? or have I missed something?
Interesting video, but Doug's choice of sat nav could have been better.. a better route planner will do a similar job to Tesla's system in regards to picking the chargers you use and if the charger supports it, it will also show you when its in use. Tesla superchrging will always be better than the public ones, maybe in the next test the cars should be better matched?
I think any EV's internal satnav should plan charging stops automatically. My VW ID.3 does it, Tesla, and a cheap app such as ABRP can do it, so why not the satnav of a £30k+ car?
I've been down to Wales for a few days. There is one supercharger site, quite close to home. If you're away from main motorway, would be using public chargers regardless.
A standard range MG4 would be fine for 99% of people, in Italy they're selling them for 21k EUR with subsidies, that's fantastic value. If you charge your car at home and almost never do more than 200 miles in one go, then the tesla loses any advantage. That said, i run a supercharged v8 l405 and an EV, and I'd still rather drive the range rover
If you never drive your car then any car will do. Great advice. But as you said in your choice of V8, your choice of car is to not have it limit your options. Apply the same logic to an EV so you’re not being hypocritical in your analysis. Don’t qualify it with a “if you never drive..”
@@Jeddinhe didnt say if you never drive your car though did he LOL. The problem with a lot of these reviews its always driving half way across the country as if thats a daily occurance. I drive 12k miles a year and i probably do a long journey over 100 miles maybe a handful of times a year.
Here in U.S. right model 3 rwd is went down to 38k sometimes if you go to the inventory and YOU GET $7,500 FEDERAL TAX CREDIT also state incentives depends where you live like here in new jersey -$4,000 and zero tax for all ev car thanks.
Having owned a BMW EV first and now a Model 3 P the thing that makes the biggest difference is the lower charging cost and the charging speed at Tesla fast charger rate. Real world a 25min stop every ~2.5hrs is not an inconvenience, where no non Tesla fast charger I've been to has ever actually exceeded 60~ kW. This means a typical 45min to 1hr stop which is longer than a pee and coffee stop. Meaning you sit in the car waiting.
Nice video, but one thing I'd mention is that most of the issues Doug faced were due to bad planning. If you go on an EV roadtrip, plan your charging stops to provide you with sufficient buffer (-50 miles from your projected range), and choose only stops with more than two stalls. I've driven from London to Edinburgh and from London to Amsterdam using a Vauxhall Corsa-e (+-170 miles of range) with little stress because I spent 30 minutes planning my stops properly.
Pro tip: no need to touch the charging cap on Tesla, just press the button on the charging plug and the cap will open automatically. When i used Tesla supercharger, i was blown away by how fast it charged 250kw or pver 1150 miles per hour speed. Model 3 Performance
I dont know when you filmed this but there are 12 Instavolt chargers at Bodmin retail park, not far from the Shell charger you used. Also contactless payment on chargers can be unreliable, using an app or RFID card gets around this issue. Public charging is improving all the time, in my experience it's never been as portrayed in the media. I've never had an issue driving long distances in an EV.
The MG4 with that 74.4 usable kwh battery gets a 323 miles WLTP range, on the other hand the Tesla has a bit lower range but it is able to get it via efficiency and charging performance instead of just battery size neglecting the other two. It is ALWAYS preferable to go for the most efficient model when it comes to challenge its capabilities in a roadtrip. To illustrate this we can compare two vehicles with exactly the same WLTP range, taking the data shown in ev database webpage, we have the "Volkswagen ID.3 Pro" with 62.0 kWh nominal capacity and 58.0 kWh usable capacity and the "Hyundai IONIQ 6 Standard Range 2WD" with 58.0 kWh nominal capacity and 54.0 kWh usable capacity. If you compare them in the same 1000 km trip in ABRP the Volkswagen has to stop for a full two hours charging time and the Hyundai just one.
Why wait so long to charge? It must have been 4+ hours to get to Cornwall from London. Multiple sites on the a303 and massive site at Exeter. Making it look far more dramatic than it really is.
I've had my ID3 for 1.5 years and I still have not used a public charger. The longest journey I have done, and with 4 people on board was from Watford to Bath and back without any stops for charging (about 230 miles). I think I had 12% left. I think I drove mostly at 60mph. EV's need a new driving mentality.
No mention battery size, I will assume that to get longer range in the MG it will have a bigger battery. No mention of over the air updates that keeps your software same as the newer vehicles. What is the cargo space and car dimensions? For the difference Inwill take the Tesla any day.
Finally someone showed honestly that MG4 is a great car but drag coefficient is really bad and car becomes very thirsty at motorways. I'd say even 3.4 is only possible with gentle driving. I can easily go way under 3.
I blame Waze for the MG4's issues. If you'd headed down the A38 and used the Salmon's Leap charging hub, with 16 150kW chargers and a nice coffee shop, then you'd have had a good charge and avoided the traffic due to roadworks on the A30. I'd be interested to know what route the MG's own SatNav offered. Also, if you're staying overnight in a hotel then picking one with a charger makes a huge difference. I was down that area in August and I charged every night at my B&B, so the next morning I had a full battery and didn't have to stop the next day. One of the advantages of an EV is that hotels can fill your car up, which can't be done for petrol or diesel vehicles.
Question; The trip according to your vid was 281 miles. The `range`, or should I say `CLAIMED range` is 305 in the Tesla & 320 in the MG. Why all the stops to charge?
Tesla is by far the most easy-to-use EV. I have one for 2 years and never had any problems. All superchargers worked, however sometimes a bit slower around busy times with V2 chargers.
@@stevezodiac491 doing a long European trip in a tesla model 3 vs my friends 3 series (328i) we basically needed to stop a similar amount of times (it wasn’t an issue) from Manchester to Spa we stopped twice
@@barrymurton8988 Depends but some Tesla chargers are 25p per kWh, typically 37p off peak (8pm to 4pm). I think it's about 10p more for non Tesla without subscription. Either way, shows the rip off in the UK. In France and Switzerland we saw public prices of around 20c.
The thing is, if you have a place to charge at home, and are doing less than 200mile a day, ev make sense. For the odd journey you do longer than 200, just plan an extra 1hr for charge time. If you don’t have a charge at home and are likly to do more than 200mile quire often then maybe a hybrid are better.
Exactly, we are in East Dorset and plan to use an MG4 extended range for most driving at around 200 miles there and back and trips into London and back with a possible top up at a Tesla supercharger of 10-20 kWh which will not take too long (a cup of coffee or two perhaps). The older and much cheaper Prius will be the main distance vehicle - Purbeck to Manchester is a reliable and tested £30 each way. The Prius will also do some shortish commuter duties in the week to keep it in good fettle - we need two cars 5 days a week. Horses for courses - until the network is more robust and considerably cheaper - that will take political will and backbone from all of us.
Where did he get a Tesla with left/right stalks like a normal car? Here in USA it has no levers, and a sub-par experience butting on directional blinkers, etc.
Great video and it shows the real life ranges / efficiency of these cars. I had a Tesla 6 years ago and the USP was the charging infrastructure. It would seem that over the subsequent 6 years the infrastructure for non-Tesla cars is still inadequate and could prove quite difficult should the limited charging stations be occupied when you arrive. Also, the costs at £0.85p pre KW is extreme, as a comparison my current 4.4l twin turbo petrol M5 would be cheaper to run on this journey?!😅
Just picked up our new 74 plate MG4 Trophy Extended Range a few days ago. Bright orange, so everyone will see us coming! Pre-registered September 24 by the dealer, the price? £26995. Very happy 😁😁😁
MG4 could of stopped at Moto Exeter which has 18 x 350kw chargers, 6 x 50kw and 2 x 22kw. You could of topped up to full there in no time and would of likely been on the road again before the tesla and had plenty to get to next 2 destinations.
This is actually a Tesla advertisement. This is a comparison of the charging infrastructure of England compared to the Tesla one, and not the MG4 VS Model 3.
Would have been interesting if you had instead used the regular MG 4 trophy or SE long range. The £15,000+ difference is worth an extra charge or two imo. Also use ABRP for planning trips in the MG Also it would have been good to show the insurance groups of each of the cars. As a 20 year old, the Tesla is £9,800 for me to insure, the MG is £1,300
Considering you can pick up a used Model 3 SR+ for around £25k, I'd sooner choose that (and did) over any other electric car right now. RE insurance, I'm 25 and have been driving for 7 years. My insurance was £1,300. Still a bit more to insure than my Corsa-e was at ~£800, but not eye-wateringly so.
You know there is a button on Tesla supercharger handle to open the chargeport and also to stop an disconect, right? Why do you press the chargeport in the video?
In Australia, a base model Tesla costs around $72k ... vs the MG 4 Excite 64 (450km range) which is $45k ... that is a huge difference compared to your £6500 difference in the UK
Better route planning was needed for the MG4. I’ve got a MG4 Trophy and regularly get 3.9 - 4.2 KWH for motorway long journeys. Driving usually at 68MPH.
Agree. I too have the Trophy model and regularly get the same KWH as you do. My last on a 170 mile journey, planned stops using Gridserve, gave me 4.1 KWH mostly at speeds for Motorway and dual-carrigeway.
@@mauricetoussaint7283 Driving at 68MPH in a modern car equates to over 70MPH in most older cars, which account for the majority of the cars on the motorway. So in fact, I’ll probably be in the middle or right lane overtaking the other vehicles driving at the speed I am. Hope that helps ‘staying off the motorway’ pal :-)
9:00 Lol. We drove to Cornwall in a Polestar 2 and the Shell Recharge 125kW charger stations were one of the better charging stations. Don't get me started on a whole list of other chargers that were out of order, impossible to use, non-functional, or else required an app to be downloaded followed by the reading of a 157 page web page, and answering 45 questions, standing in the rain at the back of an unlit warehouse at 10 o'clock at night in an empty parking lot, and the emergency 24 hour helpline requesting you leave a message and we'll get back to you, and no alternatives within 20 miles with 15 miles of range left. From then on, as soon as we got to 40% charge we started looking for a charger.
I must say I’m a little surprised by the poor efficiency of the MG4, did you check you had the battery heater off? To be fair in my MG4 standard range I tend to use the radar cruise control and find a coach doing 65, makes for a very efficient stress free journey. I tend to stop more often in my MG4 but for far less time. Grid Serve is much better than Shell in my experience.
The MG4 efficency is awful, one of the (many) reasons I got rid of mine. Driving the 65 miles home from picking up a model 3 SR+ to replace it with both cars nose to tail the MG4 got 3.4mpkwh vs the Tesla at 4.7.
Let be right, they all use the same Chinese motors and Chinese Batteries, the only way The Tes can be more efficency is because its make of cheaper and lighter materials, so you get more mileage!!!@@rossmc40
Wow, this is very revealing/informative. 2024 MG 4 EV was just launched in the Philippines and people are mind blown with the price, unbelievable that a quality, long range EV is that affordable...and there is no Tesla store yet in the Philippines. Appreciate this well thought of video.
It’s simple If you regularly travel between cities , Tesla is still your only option If you are mainly a local and town driver, and can charge at home then great pick anything
So glad I bought a Model 3. In just 3 months of ownership it has proven itself. Good balanced video. My wife has an EV Mini which is nice too but not a patch on the Tesla.
I drive a Gen2 MG ZS with an NCM battery. Over the last 4000 miles I have averaged 4,3 mls per kWh. As in your video the guessometer mileage drops like a stone as the battery gets low. My charging experience yesterday at a 150 kW charger (supposedly) was that I got a charging rate of 11 kW. I've never seen more than 45 kW. It s not much of a problem as more than 90% of my charging takes place at home at a cost of 7.5p per kW....... but I really wish I had forked out the extra dosh for a Tesla. The MG dealer servicing environment has been rubbish and the promised 'over the air updates' non existant.
Basically happy with my MG ZS EV, but like you I find that indicted range drops off alarmingly below 20%. Like yo I’m also getting around 4mile/Kwh which is good, and at home I have Octopus Agile which has costed me less than 10p/Kwh on average. Big minus, my model has been blocked from non-Tesla Superchargers by a software safety glitch. After much phoning I was offered a special update by MG for £95 which MIGHT solve the issue but is not guaranteed to do so. I have to try it to find out. Not impressed with MG service😢
Well done guys very nice comparison. I'm about to purchase and EV but I'm unable to find a better allrounder EV then the Tesla. I think I will goo with the Model Y Performance.
@NickFoster yes agreed. That is why i said the total car solution is better. My point was in terms of pure efficiency, we can only compare for the same route, same distance. Cheers
Enjoyed this review, could you do the same stops next time, as MG4EV can use some Tesla superchargers (if you have the app) and there are gridserve superchargers available widely. Doug, your stop choice was woeful😅Had my MG4 SE LR, for a few weeks and it is an excellent car. The drive is superb. Got a home charger and no issues for long trips eg London to Sheffield just need a little planning, Zap map shows usable chargers.
I travel from Warwick to Sennen 3 miles from Lands End about 270 miles, I drive a 330D touring on a run at 70mph I average about 54mpg ...Electric seems expensive, we also a fortunate to have a RR Hybrid charging at home on our tariff and free charging at office makes my average commute of 60 miles daily very very cheap..
I have a Model 3 Performance, and the network was one of the main reasons I went with Tesla (though the 530bhp and 0-60 in 3.1 helps, mind 😂). Plus the fact you can buy a three year old car for about 30k that still has a 5-year warranty left on the battery and motor, although the M3 in general is proving to be very reliable regardless and the China/German built models have much improved build quality from earlier Fremont models. As an all-around package, Tesla is hard to beat if you're in the market for an EV. As far as I can tell, the only reason you'd choose the MG or similar over the M3 is due to personal design or practicality preferences or your dislike of the company owner. As an EV to live with daily, the M3 trumps almost all the competition, in my opinion.
This video was more about charging strategy than ease of use. The Tesla stopped at Exetrer with 30% and topped up. The MG4 driver decided to push to empty. A better video would have been if they both stopped at Exeter for lunch and then both topped up near lands end. Compare efficiency and ease of use etc...
Interesting comments about range. I live in South Australia which is nearly 4 times bigger than the UK & own a Tesla M3LR & range is everything! There are only 3 Tesla Superchargers in the whole state & quite a few others thanks to government subsidised network. Planning is everything if I want to travel interstate, the shortest distance 750 km to Melbourne. Horses for courses.
Realistically the moral of the story is: boycott shell chargers until they sort out the dodgy chargers and extortionate charging costs. 85p/kwh?! insanity
Yeah the price gouging on public charges is absolute madness. It was only 3-4 years ago where an ecotricity (rip) charger was 30p/kwh and that was considered expensive! The average price you're paying for a charge has tripled.
Electroverse does sort that, I’ve used Shell chargers at 53p.
The real moral is buy a diesel and not an EV. You could get there and back and not have to re-fuel whatsoever !
Superchargers are about 30~45p now depending on time of day
@@stevezodiac491Some people embrace a emission free driving future, rather than a stinking diesel!
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any easier.! When charging using a Tesla supercharger, you don’t have to tap the flap to open it, there is a button under your thumb as you pick up the plug, press it and your charge door opens. and you don’t have to tap the flap to close it, it will close by itself after about 3 seconds.
Wouldn't you think as "car journalists " they would have at least a basic understanding of how to operate the car they are reporting on 🙄
I was looking for this comment. 👍
Probably broken
interesting but not really a fair comparison was it - markedly different routes, keeping the Tesla well inside its optimal charge speed window while taking the MG4 down to the last few % etc. If you'd both stopped at comparable sites (eg Exeter services) and compared it might have been better (and a bit cheaper for the MG4 too). I suspect that the efficiency would have been closer too.
Yeah it seemed really unfair. Either you let both cars charge up early at a reasonable point or you push both to its limit.
@@drdewott9154 Glad I wasnt the only one noticing their strange choices
Also, most people would be able to charge at the destination on a normal longish journey, or for day to day usage. So if they add up all the kWhs then:
Tesla used 162.8 kWh @27p, would cost around £44
MG used 176.6 kWh @27p, would cost £48
That's a difference or only 8% in efficiency, and 4 quid is not the difference they made it out to be. If you drive 10,000 miles a year the cost difference @27p would be like £200. I would say that justifies the £6000 price difference.
Old comment, but also MG wasn't told to precondition the battery. That makes a huge difference in charging speed.
Buying an MG 5 soon. What is this preconditioning of the battery.? Haven't heard this before.
So, the big takeaway from this - Doug is terrible at picking where to charge. If he's also stopped at Exeter, it would've been cheaper and has just as many Gridserve chargers as Tesla ones.
Doug could have charged at Exeter, you're right. It's always a gamble picking the best place to make a charging stop! However, there are 32 Tesla Superchargers at Exeter. Only six Gridserve and all of those are 50kW, so not that quick.
@@whatcar not true, there are well over 10 non tesla chargers and several are 350kw at Exeter Services. Things move quickly, even in Devon😂😂 there are also 16 150kw chargers at Buckfastleigh, 100 yards off the A38.
@@devonbikefilms We've just double checked Moto's own website for Exeter and it says 6 x 50kW Gridserve chargers. Perhaps they were installed after we filmed this? In any case, the hope was that by using the MG's extra range to get further into the journey, the 4 would need to make fewer charging pitstops than the Model 3. moto-way.com/services/exeter/
I completely agree. Doug's experience would have been far better, if he'd chosen better chargers. For example, the second charger was clearly one that shares power, so was never going to get near the 140kW that the MG4 is capable of. This meant he'd lost the advantage of running so low, where the charging speed is quickest.
But you can't argue with the supercharger experience in a Tesla, in terms of just plugging in, the price you pay and automatic routing.
Doug being silly as usual...STOP doing a Top Gear sh1t.
I bought a Tesla Model S P85 back in 2014 and now 137,000 uk miles my experience is Ive only ever come across one stall broken back in 2016 and a tech turned up and swapped out a board fixed it, I just used the other stall. Ive only ever waited once for 15 minutes here at Trentham and Tesla have just doubled the bays from 8 to 18, wont be waiting here again then. I bought a Tesla as 44 years engineering in big auto world wide told me these guys meant business and if they were prepared to put their hands in their very shallow pockets at the time and put in the other half of the equation.....the charging infrastructure, I would be placing my order with them. It helped the car looked stunning and went like a missile and I would say I made the right decision still love driving this car, cancelled my Plaid order as I didnt fancy left hand drive, Ill hang on for my Roadster. I can tell you Tesla integrated Sat Nav and Superchargers is ALWAYS right and shows you how many bays free BEFORE you get there and the range prediction is dead accurate. Note if you ever get in a situation where you have had to put your foot down and / or had a road closure and used more than anticipated the car works out if there is any chance of running out and diverts you to a nearer charger.......easyer than filling stations and especially as mine being a pre 2016 car its FREE FOR LIFE.....next car?...Tesla.....BTW Instavolt good but double the price of Tesla, I use them for my Zero SRF electric bike. Good Test cuts out all the BS. And please note everyone Tesla is OPENING UP ITS SUPERCHARGER NETWORK to all makes over the next few months and you can get the same kW price if you pay £10ish a month or just pay 10% more and no joining fee, Id say that was super cheap plus guess what its going to bully every other charge supplier into bringing down the crazy prices.......see Elons alright!
Yep, I agree. I've never experienced a single problem with using (or not being able to use) a charger in my 2 Yr ownership experience either here in the UK and Europe. I've never queued, never had a failed charge, never seen a broken charger, never (intentionally) had to charge more than 15 mins, typically 10, on road trips.
We did a trip to the costa del sol and back last year, ut was a delightful, hassle and stress free experience.
The Tesla sat nav planned my whole route door to door, planned the charging stops for me in advance and the autopilot allowed me the freedom to relax and take notice of the scenery en-route.
The supercharger network and management of the whole charging experience is the jewel in Teslas Crown.
As a politition once said " it just weeerks"!
Just over 2 yr ownership now so I'm planning on a change.
My next car will be....another Tesla but I'm torn between a model Y for the versatility of a hatchback and the huuuge storage area and easier access/ egress due to the increased height (its an age thing🙄), but have now had my head turned by the refresh model 3.....decisions, decisions!
I wouldn't go back to a smelly polluting diesel, no way!
@@David-bl1bt I tuned and rebuilt classic motorcycles decided to take one out for a run, pretty much forgotten how to fill up so I saw Shell V power and filled her up, Ive no sense of smell so never detected it was diesal! 2 hrs later and £20 for two gallon tins ive drained the bike given away the stinky stuff and refillled. Being carburettors theres no harm done and the bike even ran on it. I get home and my clothes my wallet my bike are all stinking of diesal..........just sealed the deal for me its rediculas putting liquids in your transport....Ill just be using the Zero from now on I cant do garages anymore.
I received my model Y last month. After Covid, the Porsche Cayenne hybrid wasn’t really living up to the expectations of the high monthly payments. Nice interior but relatively boring performance and v expensive to run compared to the Y. The Tesla Y on the other hand drives like a dream. Love the acceleration, the space (including the front trunk!) unfussy interior, superb sound system and general drive of the car. Ok it may not have the stylings of a Porsche but it’s not costing me 90k or 2k a month. I absolutely love it. I have driven Porsches for the last 15 years. I think I might just be driving Tesla’s for the next 15 Elon is indeed right!
@@24kHERTZ I never got to drive a 911, many years ago I was 19 and riding teh fastest accelerating motorbikes at the time Kawasaki 500 H1 I had a car keep up with me 0-60 on a Belgian duel carriageway it was a Porsche Turbo I was impressed. As time went on I progressed to Suzuki 1000 K5 0-60 in 2.7 seconds in you were good at keeping it right way up so Ive always loved acceleration. I know Porsche do a magnificent job of cornering and stopping plus their fit and finish are top notch but you seriously pay for in hard cash and service costs. As soon as I experienced to 0-60 in 4 seconds of my RWD P85 I thought this will do this all day and every day with minimal service wear, it carries my 29er mountain bike wheels on or 5 people and their luggage yet is quiet smooth and comfortable yet costs less than a moped to run, perfect compromises. People expect sports bike to launch well and 911s but not executive 5 door hulks so 4 seconds is about as crazy fast as you can use on a public road without catching people out too much. Im impressed with the handling it seems to be known the RWD cars are sweeter to corner dare I say it RWD rear engine/motor some of the 911 dynamics may be there. Either way dont see me ever getting that 911 now Im too sold on EV torque...now EV 911 that sounds interesting.
@1:15 The new updated Model 3+ just released in the UK today 10/17 and apparently it now starts £39,990. Not much more than the MG4 and the new Model 3+ has tons of improvements. That completely changes this comparison.
I know this video aged well to say it was only uploaded 8 days ago 😂
Not when you factor the insurance for Teslas
Another thing to consider is that when you buy a Tesla it comes loaded with everything unlike other cars where the base price is a lot less than what you end up paying.
@@synthmaker same with the MG
@@TopblokeGolf
OK, I didn't know that. I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance but never owned an MG.
You can use the Tesla charger with the MG4! (most chargers in the Netherlands)
It’s only a few in the UK, and Exeter isn’t one of them
Unfortunately that isn't the case in the UK! A few Superchargers are open to non-Tesla EVs here, but none on the route from London to the South West.
Yet@@whatcar
how sad to buy a mg and need tesla to charge it.
@@whatcar
There are Tesla open to all chargers at Exeter now.
One thing that would have significantly improved the experience in the MG4 is A Better Route Planner instead of other charging map apps: at least it would have eliminated the guess work about the best charging place / strategy.
They could have just stopped at the same services had lunch together and got there at the same time I guess haha?
Definitely agree with this. It would have allowed him to stop at Chargers that weren't so ridiculously expensive and sometimes shorter but more frequent stops are better for charging speed. Dough seemed to be so fixated on only stopping twice but like he said he had it ramp up them take a nose dive in charging speeds.
One thing as an electric car owner is know your charging curve (Fastned is great for it's graphs on this) and that way you know that once it drops off you're better just moving on and charging later as it'll be faster.
Having tried ABRP for a few months with my Corsa-e, and subsequently owning a Tesla, it's OK at best. The Android Auto experience was pretty shoddy. It doesn't hold a candle to Tesla's system. It's certainly better than not having it, but unless you have a live data connection to your car, ABRP is going to be left guessing a lot of things. I linked mine up with an OBD-II reader, and it massively improved the experience.
@@del4668 Thats my thoughts instead of making it harder trying to eek the most out of the MG and make it stressful.
Just B.S. why not go together so conditions are (=). Well if they did they couldn't have proven their either schmucks or shills..
Thanks for the nice real-life comparison video! But, since Tesla opened its Supercharger stations for third party EVs, it would would be interesting to compare efficiency and costs of charging both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs on Tesla Supercharger stations.
Tesla have only opened a handful of sites for other EVs... so not enough to make a difference really.
@@dozer5069 Tesla has opened ALL supercharges in the whole of norway for other cars. I only use tesla SC on my MG4 and it always maxes out at 137kw in every session and it keeps this number from 10-65% constant. It is completely awsome.
Excellent comparison of a specific use-case where public charging is used for a (very) long journey. Many people using their cars on the road for significant distances every day will find this very helpful. I have only recently bought an EV as a second car for regular short-journey use with discounted home charging almost my only source of power - this illustrates how your planned usage is a key factor in choosing an EV.
I have a standard range MG 4 and it's perfect for the kind of trips I do. If I was road tripping a lot it's clear the Extended range car is not the bargain of the cheaper cars and the car for that purpose is the Tesla. Interestingly Bjorn Nyland has done the 1000 km challenge with the Tesla 3 and the Long range MG with only 10 minutes longer taken in the MG. But that's in Norway.
Yes. His 1,000km tests are much more rigorous.
In particular he doesn't make mistakes like the ones here when selecting chargers for the MG. These mistakes are what made the MG look worse than in Bjørn's tests.
On the other hand, it is true that the Tesla does do more hand-holding making the errors less likely.
Been driving my new MG4 for about a month and haven't had any issues. Well worth the value. Also recommend getting an Octopus Electroverse charging card for free 🤙🏻
My takeaway is spend the extra money for the Tesla, and it will have much better resale value, too
I think NOT! simply put, '30% of £42' is a hell of a lot more than '30% of £27K '......@@bartwaggoner2000
@@bartwaggoner2000 the thing is a standard range MG4 will do a perfect job for most people most of the time, and you'd maybe have to charge for an extra 20min to do that same journey. A brand new one is under 20k pounds on the continent now with subsidies, that half the price of a base model 3
@@bartwaggoner2000 ... Ha ha the MG will have zero retail value... One of my wife's friends made the mistake of buying one. Six repairs later in three months. Trim falling off everywhere. Computer system jamming. There will be zero residual value. Not half.
@@tunahxushi4669 what crap done 78k in my mg zs less issues than the M3 owner round the corner
In my experience stick with instavolt for charging. They're in a lot of McDonald's drive throughs as well so quite easy to find. Personally I try to use them exclusively and they've yet to let me down.
I have to agree. They may be quite expensive, but they are reliable compared to other non-Tesla chargers. If you don't do lots of long journeys then the reliability is far more valuable than the occasional expense.
But, that means going to McDonald’s, which is very hell for me.
@@richardsmith579you don't have to partake of McDonald's.
@@logant6490 just being there is déclassé enough…
Suboptimal strategy? Expensive, bad food and crowded at travel times
Wow those electricity prices are insane. As where I am in Australia the maximum price is around 60c Australian $ or 31p when converted to £.
Yes but we are a third world country now.
Yes. There are a lot of very greedy operators around.
You are spot on Roger. We need to make a great big fuss about it - turn London into an ev car park with horns and banners - they would in France - and they would get a result - but I forget, we're British and therefore totally lacking any sense (indeed phobic) of community or solidarity (unless we are shaking little flags at the sky and committing lemming like economic suicide by cutting ourselves off from our closest and most effective economic zone). So long as we keep bending over we will keep getting shafted. Wake up England and make a sustainable, home generated, nationally owned and ultimately cheap energy supply a reality.@@rogerphelps9939
You forgot to add £2100 extra for the red colour of the Tesla and another £1100 for the white interior. The price you quoted only gets you the white exterior with black interior. Obviously that does not affect the performance, but saying "I am driving the cheapest Tesla you can buy" was misleading.
Whether the Tesla's White/Black or Red/White doesn't affect the results.
The car was on loan from Tesla anyway . . .
And the £1000 delivery fee
@@ronrubbleI didn’t have a delivery fee on my Model 3 ordered May 2022 picked up December 2022
@@EVinstructor I just priced up a model 3 on the website and the delivery fee I still there. Were they doing a deal?
@@ronrubble I've just visited the Tesla website and priced up a Model 3. The advertised price is £42,990. When you continue to make an order they do further break that down to:
Vehicle Subtotal
£42,000
Destination & doc fee
£935
First Registration Fee
£55
Purchase Price
£42,990
So the advertised price includes the fees they're not extras.
I travelled in an e-Niro to Inverness and back (Sussex) in early summer and had zero issues with charging anywhere. Having said that, it wasn't cheap (Gridserve, BP Pulse, Applegreen, Tesla)
This is the first time someone did a real road range test of a Standard Model 3- thanks for that! All other reviews I have seen so far always tested Long Range Model 3 against other EVs. This is very useful data before buying a Model 3 Standard range. Nice to see that Tesla's Supercharger network is growing and is much cheaper than public charging network. Thank you guys!
The Tesla model 3 is definitely a better car, no doubt, and I would love to own one. Also your video clearly shows how Tesla have created huge convenience for their customers and brand advantage with the vastly superior Supercharger network. If they can do it and still make money, and the government is committed to net Zero why can't the government do it as well.
But despite this I run an MG4 Standard Range, and in the real world the differences are very much less marked. For a lot of people, myself included, 90% of charging is done at home on a cheap overnight tariff at 9p per kw hour. Also in more local everyday driving the consumption averages out throughout the year at 4m/kwh or 200 miles.
When using "public" chargers a really good trick if convenient for your route is to use one of the (limited number of) Tesla Superchargers which are open to the public, I found 3 on my most frequent long distance route. They are invariably not occupied, working, fast and usually a lot cheaper even for non Tesla owners. The charging rate difference between the 2 cars is also not so important, I don't like to drive more than two hours without a break, and the
It's true that it's easier to charge on longer journeys as it stands with a Tesla, but 99% of my journeys and yours are done to go to work, drive around and do some errands. I can't recall last time I used a dc fast charger with my mg. I charge at home 99% of the time. For that 1% I would do a trip, I'd have to suck it up but I had zero issues or wait time at dc fast chargers so far (I live in Australia)
The media is obsessed with range. The guy in the Tesla was much more realistic, stopping for lunch and charging, rather than carry on just to prove a point about range. And despite the Tesla being a bit quicker at charging, it goes to show that more frequent quicker stops aren’t any slower, many times quicker as the car chargers faster at a lower state of charge. In the UK and most of Europe a 200 mile range is more than enough for long journeys. Yes, the charging infrastructure is not perfect, but it is growing rapidly. For people new to EVs then range anxiety is a thing, but when you get used to the car and EVs in general, range anxiety largely becomes a thing of the past.
Great review and Doug's experience is actually fairly representative of a a lot of users unless you are familiar with an area and know where the best chargers are. It shouldn't be like that, if the case for EVs is to be convincing, the cars need to be less expensive to buy and the charging network needs to be reliable, plentiful, and have fair pricing. The Shell charger rate is just thinly disguised robbery.
2027: EVs are over
@@AcnasheenBMW3 (330i) road trip 620miles, £120
Tesla model 3 road trip 620miles, £54
of course, charging at home is way cheaper, which is not possible with a dino fuel car, electricity will be cheaper in the future, gas prices will rise.
In 2030 major cities will ban gas cars.
So you think in 2027 people will still buy gas cars? Hmmm
(calculation based in 30mile per gallon for a BMW 3 (330i), price £5.83 per gallon)
@@MarcoYolo420 : how could electricity be cheaper in the future ?!?
how many power plants will they have to build to feed EVs ?
where will they find the metal(s) necessary to build EVs ?
dream on !
@@Acnasheen The not so obvious thing is that we already use a gargantuan amount of electricity for a thousand things. Replacing every car with an EV doesn't actually increase the total demand on the grid by as much as you'd think. For one, most EVs are charged at home overnight when there's plenty of unused spare capacity. In the future when there's excess solar power in the grid, that excess could be soaked up by EV batteries instead of discarded.
The batteries in these two cars are mostly lithium and iron. They contain zero nickel and zero cobalt, the "controversial" metals. Lithium is hyper-abundant. Iron is hyper abundant. To suggest we can't find enough iron or lithium is stupendously absurd.
@@sjwright2 : in switzerland, they count on a 30% increase of electricity consumption if we turn 100% EVs
in france : 14 nuclear reactors more
in chile : it’s 200 MILLION litres water used daily in lithium production
etc. etc.
l sais EVs are over in 4 years
now, l think it’s 2024
I drove from the North West to Wales and back at the end of August in my MG4 Trophy.
500 miles round trip, AC was occasionally used, didn't slouch and managed 4.2kwh.
That EXACT backup charger used for the MG caused us massive issues. Decided to risk our trip and go to our destination with 3% battery.
The Exeter charger we waited about 30 min in a queue but within 30 min had more then enough to drive the 200 miles home
Oh god, good that you noted that, seems like they just got super unlucky with that one.
@drdewott9154 yeah its just an annoying charger. Tried 3 different bank cards and non worked. Luckily our destination was mostly downhill from there so regen worked in our favour. Wouldn't have made it without it imo
@@Sonderax Yeah jeez, Im just shocked that the shell station in question havent bothered to get it replaced and or fixed.
It's not rly a charger issue as another car (jag ipace) used it before us. Just doesn't like the MG4 it appears@@drdewott9154
Nice one, i own Tesla model 3 dual motor. I hope you know that you can open the charging port by pressing the button on the charging pistol? Also, it closes it self, when you unplug the charging.
That Shell charger is known to be dodgy and has been for ages. Did they not use Gridserve at Cornwall Services or Exeter for a reason, or maybe they were looking for a challenge 😊
Or looking for a reason to give Tesla more points.
Are they supposed to just know that? Or perhaps spend time scrolling back through the comments on ZapMap like reading reviews for restaurants? Chargers should just work. Tesla have shown it's possible to have great uptime and reliability. Why can't the other networks manage it?
We used Gridserve at Cornwall services last weekend. Very hit or miss with the first charger we used only giving 7 kW. Apparently they are still at the testing stage according to a sign there.
They decided on a winner before they even started. Or, maybe they haven't heard of Zap Map. It's not like they're serious motoring journalists or anything.
the choices to me felt almost like they wanted to push the MG to its limit and keep things comfortable for the tesla, its was a bit odd
I rep for a company in Cumbria, and travel circa 180 miles some days in a temp MG4, and have done for 10 months. I have just ordered the MG4 X-Power (£36k) as my own (company) car. When doing the math, the MG4 was the best bet, largely as I get most of my charge at home/work, but when I do travel further and into Scotland, there is no Tesla Supercharger network, so I was no further ahead with the benefits of the Tesla, so the gap was closed. Coupled with the 10p per private mile price cap, and the 430hp 4wd of the MG, it was the weapon of choice for me.
It's a lot more than a facelift. (talking about the new model 3)
For this test specifically, the efficiency has increased by about 5%, which would have changed the results.
The interior has changed a lot, including cooled seats, noise reduction and interior lightning.
The Tesla in this video doesn't look like the facelift (Highland) model - it still has the stalks, old headlights and rear lights.
Yep, they say it’s the older model. @@andywright3107
thanks for spotting the obvious @@andywright3107
Lighting. Lightning is bolts of electricity in the clouds.
Haha yes interior lightning would be a serious fault.
I only plan to stop at charging hubs with 6 or more chargers, for non-Tesla. There is a big Grid Serve hub at Exeter, not sure why you did not use that? My BMW i4 will return between 3.8 and 4.2 miles per KWH for motorway journeys (200 miles). And why not find a hotel with a destination charger?
After Exeter you hit Dartmoor, which is a climb lasting around 22 miles and a gain of around 800 feet. This hammers the battery. Then you cross the Tamar and have Bodmin Moor - another long climb. Stopping in Exeter is always a sound move.
Downhill after Okehampton.
Agreed. I charge at Exeter or the Ionity at Collumpton just before. Then it's a top up at Cornwall services before some Swarco E Connect destination chargers on the Cornish coast
The gem in the MG4 range seems to be the lowest spec SE trim with LFP battery and 218 miles of range. Hence I think this test would have been more interesting if you had included a MG4 SE in it to see how much longer the trip would have taken in one. As for many people such long trips would be occasional. If the Model 3 RWD is £40K and the MG4 SE is £27K I would probably be fine with taking a few more toilet/rest stops on the occasional long trip to save £13K.
I've had my long range model 3 for just under a month and so far I'm so pleased with it, my previous EV was a Peugeot e-208 GT, which I had for just over a year before it was completely written off in an accident which fortunately was not my fault and enabled me to get the Tesla. So pleased with it and although the Peugeot was a nice car to drive, the Tesla is in a different league. Its excellent!
Yes, it's true. They really really shouldn't be comparing the Tesla to the Chinese mobile. They may be the same size, but they are light years different under the hood. The battery technology, computer technology, charging infrastructure, resale value, it's like comparing a Yuggo to a Porsche.
@@tunahxushi4669they are both made in china
@@damiendye6623 Doesn't mean they are both Chinese. Tesla is not owned and designed by the Chinese. Take batteries, for example, even tho they were both manufactured in the same factory, the batteries are totally different in terms of design, packaging, sealing, and quality. Tesla is clearly far better than Chinese EV cars
@@tunahxushi4669 True. Maybe comparing MG to BYD or sth else. Clearly not the same tier
@@willwu6960 rubbish, if you had a lfp Tesla it would charge at the same rate.
Btw mg is designed in the UK design studio.
The quality of Chinese ev is on a par with Germany.
I was an advocate of Tesla but poor build quality and the number of recalls has put me right off.
The fact the Tesla doesn't have any underseal says it all
I'm surprised at the BHP numbers, i've driven the MG and would call it adequately fast, not really quick. Also driven 120km and lost 150km of range. Still like the MG, great first choice for an EV, i even used the lane centering - pilot.
Also 85p/kwh charging at shell is highway robbery. Even tesla's at ~35p/kwh is not that low. At home we can get around 10p/kwh which REALLY makes the difference.
Tesla's rate at 35p/kWh is a good rate. Charging equipment costs £50k+ per stall to install, plus annual maintenance, and they don't get subsidised night time electricity rates. Shell's 85p/kWh is robbery though I do avoid them.
Your electricity rate is so low... how did you get that price?
In Australia I would really struggle to find anything as high as 85p equivalent. It’s truly extortionate especially given the masses of renewable energy in the UK grid during the day. In all cases, home charging wins. Do that all the time except twice a year and it _kind of_ evens you out
Another nice thing about Tesla’s trip computer is that it takes elevation into account on both climbs and descents. It is always accurate to the % of charge, every time.
It also takes wind direction, rain, temperature and other parameters into account when calculation battery usage for a trip.
Even the Nissan Leaf has that. Nothing special at all.
@@rogerphelps9939 yeah but the nissan leaf has a teeny tiny battery and chademo charging 🤮
Nothing wrong with chademo charging. My Leaf is mostly granny or Level 2 charged at home anyway.@@t3hpwninat0r
until someone starts using AC on a 18C day... like the MG driver
Really enjoy your straight forward no nonsense commentary. We have had our Trophy nearly a year & has been a good choice. Now & again the centre display glitches but not much else to complain about.
Fantastic video guys and does show exactly why Tesla is still way ahead for any longer trips due to the Supercharger network and their integrated software. We have a non-Tesla EV but as a second car and rarely do any trips over 100 miles each way (have had the same issues with chargers shown here).
We’ll only move to a family EV if and when we can either a) afford a Tesla, b) Tesla fully open up their Supercharger network or c) non-Tesla infrastructure is miles better. I know there are loads of people who manage this now but we just want something that’s simple, relatable and just works. Only Tesla deliver that at the moment.
Tesla only chargers are about 10% of rapids, and shrinking every year. No way I'd buy a Tesla just for a few more rapids.
As a current tesla owner, and previously BMW EV and Nissan EV owner I can say SC network is very overrated. The problem with chargers is mostly only UK problem, which gov should solve using regs
@@paulf3353 did insurance for Tesla really shoot up ?
@@johnsmith-cw3wo yes, it always was very expensive for tesla, but now it even more so.
Tesla is only way ahead in the minds of Tesla cult members.
Costs in the UK are through the roof. I pay equivalent of 13 pence per KWH for home charging and a base Model 3 here in Australia is about 29,000 pounds. Fast charging is about 25-30 pence per KWH.
That's because we have a better criminally corrupt government that sold everything off and shafted the citizens.😅
Great comparison. The race but not a race competition was reminiscent of the OG Top Gear. I like some things about the MG4 including the V2L capability and the lower price. The ease of use and charging network of Tesla is hard to beat though.
Tesla is impressive if you are on the road all day several days a week. I would not want to see the tyre and insurance bills compared to MG 4 however. For everyday trips charging at home with a few longer runs per month - the mg makes sense. Does anyone know what the typical price of a Tesla charger is for non tesla vehicles with the membership monthly subscription?
I've also had problems with service station chargers, everytime I plugged and tapped contactless on the debit card it said payment not authorised or rejected. I found out after three charging sessions having not been able to charge at any previous chargers that the reason the payment rejected was that I didn't put in a PIN number which there is no option to do so. If I had bought something at the service station (eg a bottle of water) using my PIN on the debit card it would have accepted my debit card at the chargers
If most of your driving is local, long distance driving is just a few times a year, can charge at home and want a more practical hatch back the MG makes more sense
I have only ever used three chargers. BP, Instavolt and Electric Highway. I also occasionally use a Shell charger.
I’m afraid the Tesla Model 3 is still in a league of its own,thanks guys 👍😉💪
Mine was badly made with terrible customer service, what is excellent is he charging infrastructure...but that’s it
@@alanwayte432and for every bad one like yours there’s multiple good ones including mine. Some earlier ones were lemons but the new ones are proving durable, well built and reliable across the board.
Please just to understand, did you calculate only the energy used for the trip? did you started with 100% and ended with 100%
so The MG has used 161kw vs Tesla 101Kw to do around 600 miles?
or have I missed something?
Interesting video, but Doug's choice of sat nav could have been better.. a better route planner will do a similar job to Tesla's system in regards to picking the chargers you use and if the charger supports it, it will also show you when its in use. Tesla superchrging will always be better than the public ones, maybe in the next test the cars should be better matched?
So what is this better integrated sat nav solution you mention?
@stuartburns8657 A better Route Planer is the name of the route planer, ABRP, and will plot charging stops like the Tesla sat nav.
@@SunsetHaze Interesting thanks
I think any EV's internal satnav should plan charging stops automatically. My VW ID.3 does it, Tesla, and a cheap app such as ABRP can do it, so why not the satnav of a £30k+ car?
@@cosmicpop As and ICE owner, yes it'd be a mandatory must have for the rest to catch up with that functionality personally.
I've been down to Wales for a few days. There is one supercharger site, quite close to home. If you're away from main motorway, would be using public chargers regardless.
A standard range MG4 would be fine for 99% of people, in Italy they're selling them for 21k EUR with subsidies, that's fantastic value. If you charge your car at home and almost never do more than 200 miles in one go, then the tesla loses any advantage. That said, i run a supercharged v8 l405 and an EV, and I'd still rather drive the range rover
If you never drive your car then any car will do. Great advice. But as you said in your choice of V8, your choice of car is to not have it limit your options. Apply the same logic to an EV so you’re not being hypocritical in your analysis. Don’t qualify it with a “if you never drive..”
@@Jeddinhe didnt say if you never drive your car though did he LOL. The problem with a lot of these reviews its always driving half way across the country as if thats a daily occurance. I drive 12k miles a year and i probably do a long journey over 100 miles maybe a handful of times a year.
@@Jeddinlol learn to read, ppl can drive 99% of max range every day, and still dont need a fast charger, thats what the comment says.
@@peternystrom921 why buy a 30,000 vehicle if it can’t fulfill 100% of your needs. It’s not like there aren’t cars that will
No resale value in MG, not as safe, and poor software with limited updates. And no option for FSD, watching videos in car, camp and dog mode, etc.
Here in U.S. right model 3 rwd is went down to 38k sometimes if you go to the inventory and YOU GET $7,500 FEDERAL TAX CREDIT also state incentives depends where you live like here in new jersey
-$4,000 and zero tax for all ev car thanks.
Having owned a BMW EV first and now a Model 3 P the thing that makes the biggest difference is the lower charging cost and the charging speed at Tesla fast charger rate. Real world a 25min stop every ~2.5hrs is not an inconvenience, where no non Tesla fast charger I've been to has ever actually exceeded 60~ kW. This means a typical 45min to 1hr stop which is longer than a pee and coffee stop. Meaning you sit in the car waiting.
Nice video, but one thing I'd mention is that most of the issues Doug faced were due to bad planning.
If you go on an EV roadtrip, plan your charging stops to provide you with sufficient buffer (-50 miles from your projected range), and choose only stops with more than two stalls.
I've driven from London to Edinburgh and from London to Amsterdam using a Vauxhall Corsa-e (+-170 miles of range) with little stress because I spent 30 minutes planning my stops properly.
That MG cost is about the same for My 4 litre petrol 2 ton Ford Territory SUV At $1.90 per litre inAustralia
Can you do a test with all the driver, lane and full self driving options comparison.
Thanks
Pro tip: no need to touch the charging cap on Tesla, just press the button on the charging plug and the cap will open automatically. When i used Tesla supercharger, i was blown away by how fast it charged 250kw or pver 1150 miles per hour speed. Model 3 Performance
I dont know when you filmed this but there are 12 Instavolt chargers at Bodmin retail park, not far from the Shell charger you used. Also contactless payment on chargers can be unreliable, using an app or RFID card gets around this issue.
Public charging is improving all the time, in my experience it's never been as portrayed in the media. I've never had an issue driving long distances in an EV.
The MG4 with that 74.4 usable kwh battery gets a 323 miles WLTP range, on the other hand the Tesla has a bit lower range but it is able to get it via efficiency and charging performance instead of just battery size neglecting the other two. It is ALWAYS preferable to go for the most efficient model when it comes to challenge its capabilities in a roadtrip.
To illustrate this we can compare two vehicles with exactly the same WLTP range, taking the data shown in ev database webpage, we have the "Volkswagen ID.3 Pro" with 62.0 kWh nominal capacity and 58.0 kWh usable capacity and the "Hyundai IONIQ 6 Standard Range 2WD" with 58.0 kWh nominal capacity and 54.0 kWh usable capacity.
If you compare them in the same 1000 km trip in ABRP the Volkswagen has to stop for a full two hours charging time and the Hyundai just one.
Why wait so long to charge? It must have been 4+ hours to get to Cornwall from London. Multiple sites on the a303 and massive site at Exeter. Making it look far more dramatic than it really is.
I've had my ID3 for 1.5 years and I still have not used a public charger. The longest journey I have done, and with 4 people on board was from Watford to Bath and back without any stops for charging (about 230 miles). I think I had 12% left. I think I drove mostly at 60mph. EV's need a new driving mentality.
How many cars are in your family?
@@doriangray6985 2 cars
I’ve only driven over 200 miles three times in the past 5 years. I have a PHEV and I want a full but they’re still too expensive right now
How grim is that sitting at 60mph mostly though.
No mention battery size, I will assume that to get longer range in the MG it will have a bigger battery. No mention of over the air updates that keeps your software same as the newer vehicles. What is the cargo space and car dimensions? For the difference Inwill take the Tesla any day.
Nicely done, quite informative about the trip.
Finally someone showed honestly that MG4 is a great car but drag coefficient is really bad and car becomes very thirsty at motorways. I'd say even 3.4 is only possible with gentle driving. I can easily go way under 3.
Question please. If the MG charged at the same price/rate per kwh as the teala supercharger, what is the total cost for the trip for the MG then?
I blame Waze for the MG4's issues. If you'd headed down the A38 and used the Salmon's Leap charging hub, with 16 150kW chargers and a nice coffee shop, then you'd have had a good charge and avoided the traffic due to roadworks on the A30. I'd be interested to know what route the MG's own SatNav offered.
Also, if you're staying overnight in a hotel then picking one with a charger makes a huge difference. I was down that area in August and I charged every night at my B&B, so the next morning I had a full battery and didn't have to stop the next day. One of the advantages of an EV is that hotels can fill your car up, which can't be done for petrol or diesel vehicles.
Agreed - they missed a beat by not featuring hotel charging.
Question;
The trip according to your vid was 281 miles.
The `range`, or should I say `CLAIMED range` is 305 in the Tesla & 320 in the MG.
Why all the stops to charge?
Tesla is by far the most easy-to-use EV. I have one for 2 years and never had any problems. All superchargers worked, however sometimes a bit slower around busy times with V2 chargers.
Easiest EV maybe, not against a diesel or petrol car, which could do the whole journey without re-fuelling at all on route.
This wasn’t a comparison against diesel or petrol. You’re just stating the obvious.
@@stevezodiac491but it's about everything isn't it??
No. Its about the title I would assume.
@@stevezodiac491 doing a long European trip in a tesla model 3 vs my friends 3 series (328i) we basically needed to stop a similar amount of times (it wasn’t an issue) from Manchester to Spa we stopped twice
Why didn’t you charge the mg at Exeter and gridserv at the services are only £.69p
"only 69p"????? That's still ridiculously expensive compared to Tesla pricing.
@@djtaylorutube I didn’t say it wasn’t but better than Shell! Not sure what the Tesla prices are for non Tesla cars?
@@barrymurton8988 Depends but some Tesla chargers are 25p per kWh, typically 37p off peak (8pm to 4pm). I think it's about 10p more for non Tesla without subscription.
Either way, shows the rip off in the UK. In France and Switzerland we saw public prices of around 20c.
Just push the button on the supercharger handle to open the charge port. No need to do it from the car.
Why does Tesla remove indicator stalk in the facelift version?? Saved some cost for Tesla, but...........
The thing is, if you have a place to charge at home, and are doing less than 200mile a day, ev make sense. For the odd journey you do longer than 200, just plan an extra 1hr for charge time. If you don’t have a charge at home and are likly to do more than 200mile quire often then maybe a hybrid are better.
Exactly, we are in East Dorset and plan to use an MG4 extended range for most driving at around 200 miles there and back and trips into London and back with a possible top up at a Tesla supercharger of 10-20 kWh which will not take too long (a cup of coffee or two perhaps). The older and much cheaper Prius will be the main distance vehicle - Purbeck to Manchester is a reliable and tested £30 each way. The Prius will also do some shortish commuter duties in the week to keep it in good fettle - we need two cars 5 days a week. Horses for courses - until the network is more robust and considerably cheaper - that will take political will and backbone from all of us.
Where did he get a Tesla with left/right stalks like a normal car? Here in USA it has no levers, and a sub-par experience butting on directional blinkers, etc.
Great video and it shows the real life ranges / efficiency of these cars. I had a Tesla 6 years ago and the USP was the charging infrastructure. It would seem that over the subsequent 6 years the infrastructure for non-Tesla cars is still inadequate and could prove quite difficult should the limited charging stations be occupied when you arrive. Also, the costs at £0.85p pre KW is extreme, as a comparison my current 4.4l twin turbo petrol M5 would be cheaper to run on this journey?!😅
Just picked up our new 74 plate MG4 Trophy Extended Range a
few days ago. Bright orange, so everyone will see us coming! Pre-registered September 24 by the dealer, the price? £26995. Very happy 😁😁😁
MG4 could of stopped at Moto Exeter which has 18 x 350kw chargers, 6 x 50kw and 2 x 22kw. You could of topped up to full there in no time and would of likely been on the road again before the tesla and had plenty to get to next 2 destinations.
This is actually a Tesla advertisement.
This is a comparison of the charging infrastructure of England compared to the Tesla one, and not the MG4 VS Model 3.
Would have been interesting if you had instead used the regular MG 4 trophy or SE long range. The £15,000+ difference is worth an extra charge or two imo.
Also use ABRP for planning trips in the MG
Also it would have been good to show the insurance groups of each of the cars.
As a 20 year old, the Tesla is £9,800 for me to insure, the MG is £1,300
lol
£1300? I just done a quote and it cost me £8000. How the hell did you get it to £1300? I'm also 20.
@@deaths_dark_jr I haven't had my license since I was 17, I've had since I was 19. So been driving for coming up to 2 years
Considering you can pick up a used Model 3 SR+ for around £25k, I'd sooner choose that (and did) over any other electric car right now. RE insurance, I'm 25 and have been driving for 7 years. My insurance was £1,300. Still a bit more to insure than my Corsa-e was at ~£800, but not eye-wateringly so.
@@Tresla Get a Long Range one if you can. It is far better as an EV and you have the option to download more bhp.
You know there is a button on Tesla supercharger handle to open the chargeport and also to stop an disconect, right? Why do you press the chargeport in the video?
This is the Tesla advantage, done 30k miles in mine in the last 10mths and never had to think about charging even though i often do 500 mile days
In Australia, a base model Tesla costs around $72k ... vs the MG 4 Excite 64 (450km range) which is $45k ... that is a huge difference compared to your £6500 difference in the UK
Better route planning was needed for the MG4. I’ve got a MG4 Trophy and regularly get 3.9 - 4.2 KWH for motorway long journeys. Driving usually at 68MPH.
Agree. I too have the Trophy model and regularly get the same KWH as you do. My last on a 170 mile journey, planned stops using Gridserve, gave me 4.1 KWH mostly at speeds for Motorway and dual-carrigeway.
You should keep off motorways driving that slowly.
@@mauricetoussaint7283 Driving at 68MPH in a modern car equates to over 70MPH in most older cars, which account for the majority of the cars on the motorway. So in fact, I’ll probably be in the middle or right lane overtaking the other vehicles driving at the speed I am.
Hope that helps ‘staying off the motorway’ pal :-)
9:00 Lol. We drove to Cornwall in a Polestar 2 and the Shell Recharge 125kW charger stations were one of the better charging stations. Don't get me started on a whole list of other chargers that were out of order, impossible to use, non-functional, or else required an app to be downloaded followed by the reading of a 157 page web page, and answering 45 questions, standing in the rain at the back of an unlit warehouse at 10 o'clock at night in an empty parking lot, and the emergency 24 hour helpline requesting you leave a message and we'll get back to you, and no alternatives within 20 miles with 15 miles of range left.
From then on, as soon as we got to 40% charge we started looking for a charger.
I must say I’m a little surprised by the poor efficiency of the MG4, did you check you had the battery heater off? To be fair in my MG4 standard range I tend to use the radar cruise control and find a coach doing 65, makes for a very efficient stress free journey. I tend to stop more often in my MG4 but for far less time. Grid Serve is much better than Shell in my experience.
The MG4 efficency is awful, one of the (many) reasons I got rid of mine.
Driving the 65 miles home from picking up a model 3 SR+ to replace it with both cars nose to tail the MG4 got 3.4mpkwh vs the Tesla at 4.7.
Let be right, they all use the same Chinese motors and Chinese Batteries, the only way The Tes can be more efficency is because its make of cheaper and lighter materials, so you get more mileage!!!@@rossmc40
You should never draft. That is asking for trouble.
@@rogerphelps9939 as I said I’m talking about the safe distance set by the car not getting close.
Sorry how long was doug stopped? Can't blame the difference on the car if went and had a sat down meal.
I still think there too pricy 😢 so am going to keep my Diesel until the prices come down. Great comparison video Guys 👍
Why you didn't charge at Exiter or Cornwall services for a charge in the MG4
Wow, this is very revealing/informative. 2024 MG 4 EV was just launched in the Philippines and people are mind blown with the price, unbelievable that a quality, long range EV is that affordable...and there is no Tesla store yet in the Philippines. Appreciate this well thought of video.
How about doing this during hokiday season...
Tesla chargers just save nerves compared with other chargers... that's true
This would have been even better if you had included a decent ICE also for comparison 😢
It’s simple
If you regularly travel between cities , Tesla is still your only option
If you are mainly a local and town driver, and can charge at home then great pick anything
So glad I bought a Model 3. In just 3 months of ownership it has proven itself. Good balanced video. My wife has an EV Mini which is nice too but not a patch on the Tesla.
I drive a Gen2 MG ZS with an NCM battery. Over the last 4000 miles I have averaged 4,3 mls per kWh. As in your video the guessometer mileage drops like a stone as the battery gets low. My charging experience yesterday at a 150 kW charger (supposedly) was that I got a charging rate of 11 kW. I've never seen more than 45 kW. It s not much of a problem as more than 90% of my charging takes place at home at a cost of 7.5p per kW....... but I really wish I had forked out the extra dosh for a Tesla. The MG dealer servicing environment has been rubbish and the promised 'over the air updates' non existant.
Basically happy with my MG ZS EV, but like you I find that indicted range drops off alarmingly below 20%. Like yo I’m also getting around 4mile/Kwh which is good, and at home I have Octopus Agile which has costed me less than 10p/Kwh on average. Big minus, my model has been blocked from non-Tesla Superchargers by a software safety glitch. After much phoning I was offered a special update by MG for £95 which MIGHT solve the issue but is not guaranteed to do so. I have to try it to find out. Not impressed with MG service😢
Tesla’s almost always get 170kw charging speeds.
Well done guys very nice comparison. I'm about to purchase and EV but I'm unable to find a better allrounder EV then the Tesla. I think I will goo with the Model Y Performance.
As a comparison of the total car solutions, this is fair. But you cant compare efficiency because you drove at different speeds and different routes.
Which was certainly in part due to the superior route planning capabilities of the Tesla, so more valid than you suggest?
@NickFoster yes agreed. That is why i said the total car solution is better. My point was in terms of pure efficiency, we can only compare for the same route, same distance. Cheers
Great video, can you please do a video on EQA and Tesla model 3 that’s more comparison on price.
Very good comparison, especially for those like myself considering going electric.👍
Why does no one use the hyundia kona ??? Is it because its 64kw battery give consistent above 300 miles range?
Enjoyed this review, could you do the same stops next time, as MG4EV can use some Tesla superchargers (if you have the app) and there are gridserve superchargers available widely. Doug, your stop choice was woeful😅Had my MG4 SE LR, for a few weeks and it is an excellent car. The drive is superb. Got a home charger and no issues for long trips eg London to Sheffield just need a little planning, Zap map shows usable chargers.
I travel from Warwick to Sennen 3 miles from Lands End about 270 miles, I drive a 330D touring on a run at 70mph I average about 54mpg ...Electric seems expensive, we also a fortunate to have a RR Hybrid charging at home on our tariff and free charging at office makes my average commute of 60 miles daily very very cheap..
I have a Model 3 Performance, and the network was one of the main reasons I went with Tesla (though the 530bhp and 0-60 in 3.1 helps, mind 😂). Plus the fact you can buy a three year old car for about 30k that still has a 5-year warranty left on the battery and motor, although the M3 in general is proving to be very reliable regardless and the China/German built models have much improved build quality from earlier Fremont models. As an all-around package, Tesla is hard to beat if you're in the market for an EV. As far as I can tell, the only reason you'd choose the MG or similar over the M3 is due to personal design or practicality preferences or your dislike of the company owner. As an EV to live with daily, the M3 trumps almost all the competition, in my opinion.
I would go so far as to say you're better off getting a second hand Tesla than anything else. There are a lot of model 3s on the market now.
In some EU markets a base MG4 is coming in at just over 20k EUR with ev subsidies. That's cheap
Are you not using Autopilot while driving, also in the Chinese car, it looks that you are steering manually.
This video was more about charging strategy than ease of use. The Tesla stopped at Exetrer with 30% and topped up. The MG4 driver decided to push to empty. A better video would have been if they both stopped at Exeter for lunch and then both topped up near lands end. Compare efficiency and ease of use etc...
Interesting comments about range. I live in South Australia which is nearly 4 times bigger than the UK & own a Tesla M3LR & range is everything! There are only 3 Tesla Superchargers in the whole state & quite a few others thanks to government subsidised network. Planning is everything if I want to travel interstate, the shortest distance 750 km to Melbourne. Horses for courses.
Great practical review. Tesla charging is second to none and good value.
I wonder if it's possible to charge the MG4 on tesla chargers