This show is one of the best examples of generational trauma spanning through time. Bojack never had a chance, he was shot in the foot from the day he was conceived. Joseph Sugarman destroyed Beatrice, robbed her of a mother and of a childhood, and in turn Beatrice and Butterscotch destroyed Bojack.
That's not true. He could've caught the bullshit if he was self reflective and wanted to be better badly enough. He didn't. The character even let someone die because he didn't want to help. Don't make it seem like that kind of behavior isn't problematic.
Then, bojack destroyed Sarah Lynn. Putting the ideology of entertaining people "until the curtain calls", and only then could she stop when she died tragically young, or died naturally. She spent her whole life entertaining people despite wanting to become an architect. Out of all the people Bojack has made a bad impact on, Sarah Lynn was the one who probably suffered the most due to his trauma. This is shown more during her performance at the show in Bojacks mind: "The chatter stops, the crowd departs, a needle drops, the music starts. A song you taught me when I was small. Don’t stop dancing." She kept dancing until her curtain called.
To be honest, the intergenerational trauma in bojacks family ran so deep that I think it's a good thing he didn't have kids. He'd pass that shit down to them.
This show is the perfect example of just because you have a traumatic past doesn't give you an excuse to how you still can be a bad person like when we see bojack's past we feel sorry but then when he makes unforgettable mistake we can still see him as a bad person its like a reminder that you can choose to be a better person from your past or continue to spiral downwards and we see that happing to bojack throughout the show
Greetings, beloved sister/brother. My heart goes out to everyone, especially you. Whatever you're going through, know that you are not alone and that you are strong, brave, and a confident warrior. Everything's going to be alright and okay in the end, all worth it. Jesus loves you❤may God bless your kind words 🙏 ✨️ 💖 ❤️
technically, "a villain isn't born, they're made" +"by their own choices". because: everyday of their living existence, they have choice and their choice; is to spread the pain that was given to them, instead of ending it. that's why they are villains. fancy quotes sound fancy, until you realise they are also justifying the actions of said villains.
@@RenTheCrow 100%, some people get abused as a child and become a social worker, others become abusers themselves, the only difference is the person themselves so just because someone went through something doesn't excuse any future actions.
@@rainyrouge5123yup but the audio engineer as well. Theres ways to increase the pitch and semi tones to make her sound younger as well. Audio engineers have the most important job in movies, music, TV etc. Changing thee frequencies in the audio to effect the viewers/listeners emotions and bring out the excellent work from the actors lol
this show is so fucked up and so golden. it takes all of the tough shitty parts of life and strings them into a lesson, and also a coping mechanism for getting yourself out of those shitty situations. you don't wanna end up like bojack or any of the horses in his family, but you see so much of yourself and your relatives in them. it's a blessing to have that kinda wake-up call.
Yes, I would like to say I’m definitely not a shitty as the ppl in the show yet as im still a teenager, but the whole episode where bojack is fighting with himself inside his head about whether he’s a good person or not. (The episode where hollyhock and Beatrice ask him to get milk) really resonated with me it’s the perfect example of anxiety.
It made me a better person. I saw myself in both Mr. Peanut Butter and Bojack. I had the optimism I fought for yet the depression in solitude. Generational trauma should never be passed down. I wanna be the fight that stops the abuse. Whether it be from mentors or family or anybody else who failed me. It disgusted me how Mr. Peanut Butter was treated because that’s the kind of person I see my future significant other being. I don’t think he should’ve ever been punished for being kind. Those women shouldn’t have changed him. It made me angry even though he’s a fictional character.
When she yelled “but not my baby!” And the dad took it from her and threw it in the fire with no emotion I felt so disrespected and upset for her I almost started crying
Yup, I cried aswell and I don’t even watch it.. I know it’s not related and you didn’t ask but I ball my eyes out at every sad scene in a game/movie/tv show, and the worst one of all for me, is when Reuben the pig died..
@@arthurhardy8343 I start crying when I play my favorite game and sal (character in the game) loses his best friend Larry from su1sc1d3. It’s super sad
I hv ptsd this is what they do to females rip 🪦 ti my dad my brother s where ok this is a re Irean 🎈🧸 asked me what I went through with my dad um, named after a boy only have three brothers. Can you throw my toys away?
@@Jey_Frost it goes deeper than that. Before the lobotomy and his son dying it’s probably not a stretch to say Beatrice’s dad knew and felt love in his life. But after it all went to hell it’s clear that he became a colder person. Bojack never knew what real love was like.
My grandfather’s the same way. He idolizes his father for “being born tough and dying tough” and emulates him in a way. In reality, my great grandfather was horribly abusive in every way and drove all his children to insanity and self-destruction. My great aunt and uncles all died early, but my grandfather sits in his house wasting away as he hold onto that fracturing worldview one shattered piece at a time. He convinced himself that his childhood was normal, and that any fault lies with himself, and he’s acknowledged that he might be wrong, but that he doesn’t care. I think he’s convinced that if he admits to himself he’s a victim and allows himself to feel that weakness he’ll break. In trying to be like his father, he doesn’t know how to show his children and grandchildren proper affection, and accidentally traumatized me through emotional and verbal abuse. Sometimes I think that out of his siblings, his fate is the worst.
@@JuliaMathias9308Comments like this always get to me. I feel sorry for all those who endured such childhoods. As an aside note - I hope you yourself are doing well - Have a good rest of your day.
Yo when I was a kid I loved the show Naruto. I drew pictures of the characters and posted them all over my walls. I collected books, and watched every episode, I have games and movies and everything. I’d always talk about it. I even got some poster board and drew a big as picture of Deidara to hang above my bed because I was so proud of it. I was at my creative peak. My mom didn’t like it because she said I was obsessed to I moved the picture to my closet wall and put up ribbons and stuff around it. When she found it she collected everything I had related to the show, threw them all in a big black bag and trashed them. I remember walking to her room and seeing the full bag sitting outside of her bedroom. I could see the manga poking out of it. Later she took away a beanie baby that a cared for because she thought that I thought it was real because I was feeding it at a restaurant like kids fucking do. I threw a fit in the parking lot and she sent me to a psych hospital. Now I don’t like doctors and I have no hobbies. I’ve been raised on medication because she didn’t know how to communicate with me. She still thinks I was crazy for liking a show. I wonder why I’ve been depressed and anxious my whole life? I wonder why I can’t make friends. What’s funny is that she has an abnormal obsession with collecting toys and both her and her lover are hoarders so I feel like I’m being buried alive in garbage. Yeah apparently I’m this way because of myself. More pills plz thanks.
Where ever you are, I hope you find people who share the same interests you have, and it's not wrong to like something to the point where you become obsessed with it (to a certain extent). Like I mentioned earlier, there are people who loved watching Naruto, and I'm saying this as someone who loves watching anime and reading manga but never has watched the show and/or read the manga. About your mom, the impressions I'm getting from your comment is that she is being a fucking hypocrite, and in my opinions, a fucking piece of shit and a poor, worthless excuse of a mother.
I hope you can find healing moving forward. The fact you know how she treated/treats you is abusive is a good first step. It took me a long time to come to grips with the abuse in my past. Hang in there.
“Don’t let your woman emotions consume you” What woman emotions? You have the same emotions too 💀 thanks for 4.9k i didnt even rlly know what i was talking abt
The Era of 1930-1950 in the US was full of misogyny, racism, and abuse. Many parents either had really screwed up ways of raising their kids due to their own abuse from their parents or were just plain bitter and abusive because life wasn't kind to many in those days... In Beatrices case; her father was a rich, corrupt POS who would gladly lobotimize his wife than lose money or burn his daughters stuff causing her trauma just because he was worried. It really is a cycle of pain and suffering that is only ceased by empathy and kindness.
@@spacepimpkevin1184 it was so so sad what happened to Honey Sugarman. Instead of getting her into grief therapy which did exist back then. he had her labotomized. Which was the cheaper option. This screwed up Beatrice. I am sure if Honey Sugarman was still normal she could have explained to Beatrice that they were burning her stuff so she wouldn't get scarlet fever again. Or honey could have even talked her husband into waiting till Beatrice is asleep. They could have even bought her a new baby doll.
Someone once said the reason she despised BoJack is not because he was a terrible son, but because she loved him; her mother made her promise not to love anything, but her love for BoJack made her break that promise and in turn force her to act like she didn't give a damn about him.
'Never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack' That was the 'advice' that brought about that suffering Bojack had to endure from his mother day by day.
You stupid Of course, why would you do that to your daughter? Like she don't have no sickness Dang, stupid stupid. That's your stupid, you're, you're d***** It's just d*** Why are you Like this You stupid g****** w*****🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yep, my dad was like that a lot except when I really wish he would've stayed that way. Lots of forced hugs I didn't want as I got older and could talk but wasn't allowed to say "no" or "leave me alone" without repercussion.
To be fair, they did have to burn their things. Scarlet Fever was a very dangerous illness in the 40s and was incredibly contagious. He was still an ass in this scene tho
Yeah, like that would still have to be done either way, but the way her father handled the situation with the sick and twisted mentality he had was not how to handle that and left a scar on Beatrice
@@kimgabrielcrisostomo8455 it can be. I suffer from cPTSD and I still find a way to make reality beautiful and livable, but you gotta stay grounded in reality too. Yin and yang and all that shit. Can't have good without the bad.
when I heard her crys for them to stop and "not my baby" it fucking ripped me up because im attached to stuffed animals and just watching it melt made me literally feel so horrified and sad because I am so attached to stuffed animals and the end literally ripped me up too, I feel destroyed and wrecked after watching this
i feel the same but i’ve always has a sensitive spot for the bond at childbirth and/or during pregnancy. so when she wouldn’t let her hold her baby just.. fuck. like.. i trusted you to deliver my baby you can’t just.. take her.. i.. fuck..
How the way to go just cry while throw that in the fire it's probably something that she remembers of like part of her family but they her hey Dad probably doesn't like the picture but like while he throws something away that she loves I could kill myself right now I hate hearing other people cry cuz if I hear other people I like run down to tears
Crying, it's not stupid. It's an emotion that none of us can control. Reply you can drawing is a motion that your sad are happy. Sometimes mad, you can't control sadness
Well, not all kids deserve parents. Don't you know that there's some kids? That doesn't even treat their parents, right? And I don't care say I'm wrong for me. I'm telling the truth, cause it's true. Even though not all parents deserves, children and all kids deserves parents, not all. Maybe most because kids out there acting spoiled and treating the parents, bad
Oh screw off. Everyone deserves parents. Whos fault is it for a child to be screwed up? Thats the parents. Saying some KIDS (KIDS) Don't deserve parents is ignorant and gross@@ashton_yt277
she didn’t deserve that all of her stuff that she loved got burned and destroyed and her doll got burned and destroyed as well she loved that doll but it got destroyed so it’s ok for her to cry and have womanly emotions so when she’s all grown up and old she took the baby away from that crying woman so that’s why she said you will get attached
This show was so much deeper than most of the shows on television. The way that it explains trauma and it’s consequences, even on a generational level, in this episode was some of the best story telling I’ve ever seen.
Greetings, beloved sister/brother. My heart goes out to everyone, especially you. Whatever you're going through, know that you are not alone and that you are strong, brave, and a confident warrior. Everything's going to be alright and okay in the end, all worth it. Jesus loves you❤may God bless your kind words 🙏 ✨️ 💖 ❤️
I think he’s the worst dad ever just making her suffer, bro. This made me emotional. I can feel her pain if you like I don’t even have legs anymore.😭😭😭😭
When she's in the retirement home with dementia bojack lies about where she is to comfort her and he asks if the icecream tastes good and she hesitantly says yes, it breaks my heart because she never ate icecream because her mother didn't want her to get fat. Something so simple and she never even got to experience that. I wish i got to see her eat it once
Holy shit . "Remember what we said about crying? Crying is stupid." As someone who's laughed at when i cry and get irritated at home, this hit too hard.
No, it just means your shell has been penetrated, find the problem is fix it. Mentally or physically... Most likely mentally. Although like me being what I am a man that spends more time in fiction than reality. I like to think on thing realistically as possible this stops alot of problems that aren't problems.
@@guilhermeteodosio40 Pretty much, yeah. Ultimately this is just another case of societal norms fucking up people's lives. Joseph wasn't actively malicious- He genuinely wasn't aware that all the horrible things he was doing were wrong.
This is even more depressing when you realise this character jas dementia which is why most people have blurred faces. She can't remeber any more and the burning of her stuff is basically a representation of her mind burning her memories out. The plush she is holding is her happiest memory, and even that is burned eventually. Atleast that's what I interpurate from this scene
It's also something done in pieces like Bly Manor to show how details and faces become blurred or outright forgotten, even in a deeply traumatic memory. All our faces will do the same in the minds of our loved ones when we are long gone.
@@coolghoul5033 You should’ve said “Reddit tear comment, cry about it” that would’ve actually been funny, but I know I know, you’re the main joke here.
This explains so much about Beatrice… she was deliberately raised to be the way she was. To be cold and cruel, so that she can be “strong”. Let go of attachments and don’t get attached to anything (or anyone) else for the pain of losing them would be crippling. Create a wall- a barrier- so strong that no one could break your defences. It really is an incredible thing when writers make you sympathize with someone you would’ve originally started off hating.
This whole season was absolutely amazing. Her whole story was fantastically well written and seeing her mind so confused and eventually ending with the funeral episode that was perfect. She was in so much pain her whole life.
Ive been told id find this show the most relatable thing id ever watch from someone whos known me for a half year, i couldn't imagine what i mustve been like my whole life
I think people forget WHY we see her backstory. It’s so we can see WHY she acts the way she does. It’s important to remember there’s a reason why HE acts this way, even if it’s horrible.
Explainations, not excuses. And I love to see it. (many see the backstory and think it excuses the actions, when in reality it's showing just how far down the rabbit hole trauma can go)
bojack horseman is like i can't even put it into words but like its an amazing show i dont know how many times i should say this but watch it please do 10/10 sidenote dont watch it if you are not emotionally or mentally prepared i guess
@@d.tt.wilding7740 I guess I was kind of exaggerating because I watched it when I was at one of my worst moments but it just has some like subjects that could be triggering to some so im pretty sure theres like a website or something to check what the show does have in it just to like "warn" you or even netflix has the like "warning" at the top
When I was a little autistic girl my dolls were my only friends for quite some time. I still love them dearly and would never destroy them...this part made me ugly cry.
I was just watching shorts with my little sister when we saw this, I tried to scroll but my sister wanted to see it and after she bursted out in tears hugging me and I didn’t know what to do
Wow...hope she will recover from this memory. Do you think tears will come out after a panic attack and a mental breakdown.cause I can't cry anymore. :/
@lolz man SPOILERS: Beatrice's mother was given a lobotomy as she couldn't get over her son who was killed in world war two She exists as a cold empty shell of a thing rather than something actually alive. Their portrayal of Beatrice's mother post-lobotomy is terrifying
@@soopy6667 can u please dumb it down for me idk what a lobotomy is im stupid soz. I havnt watched the show and dont plan on doing so after this scene has been exposed to me
Beatrice saved that woman’s future even though that woman fvcked her husband and disrespected her . She did for her what her parents didn’t do for her and what she couldn’t do for Bojack and that’s a redeeming quality no one else in the whole show has had
Yeah, Beatrice had a very complicated dynamic with Henrietta. On the one hand, I think she did hate her for sleeping with her husband and becoming pregnant with his child. On the other hand, Beatrice loved Henrietta and saw in her all of her own missed opportunities. She really did believe she was giving her the best chance. The thing is, we don't know what Henrietta's and Hollyhock's lives would have been like. Henrietta probably would have been a lot less bitter and mean than Beatrice. Beatrice was essentially deciding her fate for her.
@@carlycrays2831 Henrietta decided that on her own the moment she slept with Beatrice’s husband and then had the nerve to ask her for money for her ENTIRE schooling … Henrietta would have been a deadbeat without Beatrice she had no money or family hollyhock would have had no future or love
@@mayeryncarty4795 Henrietta was a very young girl who clearly had her own issues. That is clear. But at the same time, she was asking for help. She was trying to better herself and she was reaching out to the only people she had. And honestly, asking Bojack's dad for money wasn't inappropriate given that she was pregnant with his child. And even Beatrice realized that Henrietta had been manipulated and wasn't really at fault.
@@carlycrays2831 thats bs .Beatrice literally saw Henrietta flirting with her husband and told both of em it bothered her only for them to proceed to have sex in HER HOUSE . Also Henrietta asked BEATRICE for money not her husband and her issues aren’t Beatrice’s business you don’t fvck someone’s husband in their face and then ask them to pay your whole college fee. Henrietta was hired to care for Beatrice and she wasn’t even doing that right.
@@mayeryncarty4795 ruclips.net/video/cNw8ojGGUo8/видео.html If you watch the scene, you can clearly see that she was more concerned about what would happen to Henrietta than the fucking affair. Henrietta asked for help because she was clearly struggling, and Beatrice *choose* to help her because she experienced what would truly happen if she stayed with Butterscotch. Henrietta was just asking for some help, not to pay off her entire schooling. That was entirely Beatrice’s choice because she clearly wanted Henrietta to have a better life than she did. Outside of the scene alone, this show is too nuanced to be so one-sided.
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This show is one of the best examples of generational trauma spanning through time. Bojack never had a chance, he was shot in the foot from the day he was conceived. Joseph Sugarman destroyed Beatrice, robbed her of a mother and of a childhood, and in turn Beatrice and Butterscotch destroyed Bojack.
They should have learned from.this amd not allow Bojacknto go through this. But no, they're stubborn Jack asses. Literally.
what is the show called? i wanna see this messed up fuck fest.
because me is curious
@@gabbylee3385 thanks ;]
That's not true. He could've caught the bullshit if he was self reflective and wanted to be better badly enough. He didn't. The character even let someone die because he didn't want to help. Don't make it seem like that kind of behavior isn't problematic.
Then, bojack destroyed Sarah Lynn. Putting the ideology of entertaining people "until the curtain calls", and only then could she stop when she died tragically young, or died naturally. She spent her whole life entertaining people despite wanting to become an architect. Out of all the people Bojack has made a bad impact on, Sarah Lynn was the one who probably suffered the most due to his trauma.
This is shown more during her performance at the show in Bojacks mind:
"The chatter stops, the crowd departs,
a needle drops, the music starts.
A song you taught me when I was small.
Don’t stop dancing."
She kept dancing until her curtain called.
To be honest, the intergenerational trauma in bojacks family ran so deep that I think it's a good thing he didn't have kids. He'd pass that shit down to them.
He has a daughter
@@ialive9084 that's not his daughter that's his sister
He raised her kinda which fucked her up and he also has Harper Horseman his biological daughter which isn't shown much
At no point it says he didn't have kids.
The cast of horsing around were enough like his own kids, he definitely ruined Sarah Lynn.
This show is the perfect example of just because you have a traumatic past doesn't give you an excuse to how you still can be a bad person like when we see bojack's past we feel sorry but then when he makes unforgettable mistake we can still see him as a bad person its like a reminder that you can choose to be a better person from your past or continue to spiral downwards and we see that happing to bojack throughout the show
Amen
Greetings, beloved sister/brother. My heart goes out to everyone, especially you. Whatever you're going through, know that you are not alone and that you are strong, brave, and a confident warrior. Everything's going to be alright and okay in the end, all worth it. Jesus loves you❤may God bless your kind words 🙏 ✨️ 💖 ❤️
Now days it's who can be the best bad person.
Poor kid I hate those people her baby was the only thing she needed
What's really fucked up is that this was considered the best practice at the time.
@@SeraSmiles yeah Is so fucked up I cryed for that little guy :( WAAAAAA D:
This show was fucked up
in all the right ways. bojack horseman was gold.
Yep
I can't fuck up for real
@@nameless1016 no tf it wasn’t
@@ree3762 yes it was hater
“But not my baby”
“Oh especially your baby”
“NOOOO”
Probably the saddest pert
Very true
Can someone tell me why the black scribbles grew(srry I don’t watch the show) ok ok Ik what happens so pls do not tell me again
beb
Its so sad 😔 she had a rough childhood man thats sad
The way she screamed it “no” aswell, was just so heartbreaking to hear..
"Crying is stupid!"
That was hilarious but rude at the same time.
No it's not
A villain isn’t born, they’re made.
@@loveDucks449no she will get revenge
technically,
"a villain isn't born, they're made"
+"by their own choices".
because: everyday of their living existence, they have choice and their choice; is to spread the pain that was given to them, instead of ending it. that's why they are villains.
fancy quotes sound fancy, until you realise they are also justifying the actions of said villains.
..i-...i never..i never thought about that..
@@RenTheCrowWhat you said is wrong. I highly suggest you to read more.
@@RenTheCrow 100%, some people get abused as a child and become a social worker, others become abusers themselves, the only difference is the person themselves so just because someone went through something doesn't excuse any future actions.
"crying is stupid"
"Womanly emotions"
**Aggressively punches air**
*intense swearing*
pulls out infected mosquitoes
@@choco057. LMAO
@@coocooformycocoapuffs3235 LOL
*innerly killing that horse man
/jk
Crying doesn't mean your weak it just means you have been strong for to long
-wise man
"All kids deserve parents"
"Not all parents deserve Children..."
-Wise person
Holy shit, whoever voiced little Beatrice just tore my heart out. Her screaming and crying over her things being destroyed felt so real.
It's still Wendie Malick.
@@MeganKoumori Seriously? She's good.
@@rainyrouge5123yup but the audio engineer as well. Theres ways to increase the pitch and semi tones to make her sound younger as well. Audio engineers have the most important job in movies, music, TV etc. Changing thee frequencies in the audio to effect the viewers/listeners emotions and bring out the excellent work from the actors lol
The person who voiced Beatrice also voiced Patcha’s wife in Emperors New Groove and Eda The Owl Lady from The Owl House
Remember that one episode when Bojack throws the baby doll over the balcony? That was her losing her childhood doll all over again.
this show is so fucked up and so golden. it takes all of the tough shitty parts of life and strings them into a lesson, and also a coping mechanism for getting yourself out of those shitty situations. you don't wanna end up like bojack or any of the horses in his family, but you see so much of yourself and your relatives in them. it's a blessing to have that kinda wake-up call.
Yes, I would like to say I’m definitely not a shitty as the ppl in the show yet as im still a teenager, but the whole episode where bojack is fighting with himself inside his head about whether he’s a good person or not. (The episode where hollyhock and Beatrice ask him to get milk) really resonated with me it’s the perfect example of anxiety.
@@jupiter2788 totally agree, fellow teenager here lol.
What is everyone talking about who's bojack?
@@bananaferret2529 are you being genuine...?
It made me a better person.
I saw myself in both Mr. Peanut Butter and Bojack. I had the optimism I fought for yet the depression in solitude. Generational trauma should never be passed down. I wanna be the fight that stops the abuse. Whether it be from mentors or family or anybody else who failed me.
It disgusted me how Mr. Peanut Butter was treated because that’s the kind of person I see my future significant other being. I don’t think he should’ve ever been punished for being kind. Those women shouldn’t have changed him. It made me angry even though he’s a fictional character.
This made ma cry, especially because I have an emotional connection to things that don't actually have feelings but in my mind they do.
Same! ;)
Same bro
"Your sickness has infected everything" *pushes him*
When she yelled “but not my baby!” And the dad took it from her and threw it in the fire with no emotion I felt so disrespected and upset for her I almost started crying
Yup, I cried aswell and I don’t even watch it.. I know it’s not related and you didn’t ask but I ball my eyes out at every sad scene in a game/movie/tv show, and the worst one of all for me, is when Reuben the pig died..
@@arthurhardy8343 I start crying when I play my favorite game and sal (character in the game) loses his best friend Larry from su1sc1d3. It’s super sad
@@angeldusteditzz Yea, that one hits hard too.. :(
I hv ptsd this is what they do to females rip 🪦 ti my dad my brother s where ok this is a re Irean 🎈🧸 asked me what I went through with my dad um, named after a boy only have three brothers. Can you throw my toys away?
Same 😢
"Wait I want to hold her"
"No, you'll get attached"
Jesus christ I'm shedding tears
Me too
I’m crying a waterfall😭😭😭😭
@@babyslugcatofdoombro
@@babyslugcatofdoomwhat do you mean “so Weak”? Huh
Henrietta is ratchet. She knowingly slept with Bea’s husband and got knocked up cause he was “nice” to her.
Gets what she deserves.
Really this show was soooo fucked up
My ass anger issues: “you’re stupid :3” *cutely pushes into fire*
*cutely nuclear tests over civilian population*
*Dances on his grave cutely*
Who had every right to become a villian
“ youre completely unlike my father. *he knew what real love was.* “
-Beatrice Horseman
She was sarcastic
@@Jey_Frost it goes deeper than that. Before the lobotomy and his son dying it’s probably not a stretch to say Beatrice’s dad knew and felt love in his life. But after it all went to hell it’s clear that he became a colder person. Bojack never knew what real love was like.
My grandfather’s the same way. He idolizes his father for “being born tough and dying tough” and emulates him in a way. In reality, my great grandfather was horribly abusive in every way and drove all his children to insanity and self-destruction. My great aunt and uncles all died early, but my grandfather sits in his house wasting away as he hold onto that fracturing worldview one shattered piece at a time. He convinced himself that his childhood was normal, and that any fault lies with himself, and he’s acknowledged that he might be wrong, but that he doesn’t care. I think he’s convinced that if he admits to himself he’s a victim and allows himself to feel that weakness he’ll break. In trying to be like his father, he doesn’t know how to show his children and grandchildren proper affection, and accidentally traumatized me through emotional and verbal abuse. Sometimes I think that out of his siblings, his fate is the worst.
@@JuliaMathias9308Comments like this always get to me. I feel sorry for all those who endured such childhoods.
As an aside note - I hope you yourself are doing well - Have a good rest of your day.
No he did *_not_* 😐💀
Yo when I was a kid I loved the show Naruto. I drew pictures of the characters and posted them all over my walls. I collected books, and watched every episode, I have games and movies and everything. I’d always talk about it. I even got some poster board and drew a big as picture of Deidara to hang above my bed because I was so proud of it. I was at my creative peak. My mom didn’t like it because she said I was obsessed to I moved the picture to my closet wall and put up ribbons and stuff around it. When she found it she collected everything I had related to the show, threw them all in a big black bag and trashed them. I remember walking to her room and seeing the full bag sitting outside of her bedroom. I could see the manga poking out of it.
Later she took away a beanie baby that a cared for because she thought that I thought it was real because I was feeding it at a restaurant like kids fucking do. I threw a fit in the parking lot and she sent me to a psych hospital. Now I don’t like doctors and I have no hobbies. I’ve been raised on medication because she didn’t know how to communicate with me. She still thinks I was crazy for liking a show. I wonder why I’ve been depressed and anxious my whole life? I wonder why I can’t make friends.
What’s funny is that she has an abnormal obsession with collecting toys and both her and her lover are hoarders so I feel like I’m being buried alive in garbage.
Yeah apparently I’m this way because of myself. More pills plz thanks.
The world is messed up you see.
Where ever you are, I hope you find people who share the same interests you have, and it's not wrong to like something to the point where you become obsessed with it (to a certain extent). Like I mentioned earlier, there are people who loved watching Naruto, and I'm saying this as someone who loves watching anime and reading manga but never has watched the show and/or read the manga.
About your mom, the impressions I'm getting from your comment is that she is being a fucking hypocrite, and in my opinions, a fucking piece of shit and a poor, worthless excuse of a mother.
@@nikhilsharma3563 Nah, it could have been better but my view is so distorted.
I hope you can find healing moving forward. The fact you know how she treated/treats you is abusive is a good first step. It took me a long time to come to grips with the abuse in my past. Hang in there.
Did your mother ever apologize to you for doing that? Did she ever admitted that she was wrong?
“Your sickness has affected everything”
*touches him and throws in fire*
Now if my father ever said anything like that to me I’d be throwing hands my anger issues could never
"Infect the father"
Is what I've said while watching this
Same
What's the name?
Put the Father in the fire
Y E S
You know what put the whole show on fire or
“Don’t let your woman emotions consume you” What woman emotions? You have the same emotions too 💀
thanks for 4.9k i didnt even rlly know what i was talking abt
theyre talking about how her mom and her was crying and is saying woman cry alot
@@torianmckenzie6889 yeah exactly, but MEN also have the same emotions as WOMEN do 👌
The Era of 1930-1950 in the US was full of misogyny, racism, and abuse.
Many parents either had really screwed up ways of raising their kids due to their own abuse from their parents or were just plain bitter and abusive because life wasn't kind to many in those days...
In Beatrices case; her father was a rich, corrupt POS who would gladly lobotimize his wife than lose money or burn his daughters stuff causing her trauma just because he was worried.
It really is a cycle of pain and suffering that is only ceased by empathy and kindness.
@@spacepimpkevin1184 it was so so sad what happened to Honey Sugarman. Instead of getting her into grief therapy which did exist back then. he had her labotomized. Which was the cheaper option. This screwed up Beatrice. I am sure if Honey Sugarman was still normal she could have explained to Beatrice that they were burning her stuff so she wouldn't get scarlet fever again. Or honey could have even talked her husband into waiting till Beatrice is asleep. They could have even bought her a new baby doll.
Bro this guy clearly is emotionless but I get what you're saying lol
The pain in her voice screaming about her doll
"Crying doesnt mean your weak, it just means youve been strong for a very very very long time :(.."
Someone once said the reason she despised BoJack is not because he was a terrible son, but because she loved him; her mother made her promise not to love anything, but her love for BoJack made her break that promise and in turn force her to act like she didn't give a damn about him.
Wow dude so true
'Never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack'
That was the 'advice' that brought about that suffering Bojack had to endure from his mother day by day.
"Of course I love my daughter, but I don't know if I *love* her." - PC
You stupid Of course, why would you do that to your daughter? Like she don't have no sickness Dang, stupid stupid. That's your stupid, you're, you're d***** It's just d*** Why are you Like this You stupid g****** w*****🤬🤬🤬🤬
The fact he moves away from her when she tried to touch him breaks me inside a little
shes infected
she had a infectious sickness that’s why
Yep, my dad was like that a lot except when I really wish he would've stayed that way. Lots of forced hugs I didn't want as I got older and could talk but wasn't allowed to say "no" or "leave me alone" without repercussion.
I mean she was sick with a deadly illness during the 50’s. I think it was scarlet fever
She had scarlet fever, but same here. My parents were pretty awful at comforting me.
The way she crys how he burns her favourite teddy / her baby it makes me cry
The moment he said womanly emotions I hit my wall so hard my hand was bleeding but I’m fine now
And that's how you know the actor is excellent in the roleplay. 😉
To be fair, they did have to burn their things. Scarlet Fever was a very dangerous illness in the 40s and was incredibly contagious. He was still an ass in this scene tho
Yeah, like that would still have to be done either way, but the way her father handled the situation with the sick and twisted mentality he had was not how to handle that and left a scar on Beatrice
I also interpreted it as a metaphor for Beatrice's dementia developing. Her "sickness" that is burning away her memories.
Bojack donkeymen 🙃
What did she have plague
@@GyattBigg Not the plague but Scarlet Fever
“Remember what we said about crying, crying is stupid”
That hit home
@coco and my mom wonders why I have no reactions to things and just stopped caring
Its ok to cry let out ur imotion's if you dont ur gonna commit suiside
This father is the worst I've ever seen
@@gaelm5168yep I agree
Every child deserves a parent but not all parents deserves a child
-a wise person.
This is really the world saddest scene in a show
Sometimes reality isn’t as beautiful
It never is... And it never was beautiful in anyway
@@kimgabrielcrisostomo8455 it can be. I suffer from cPTSD and I still find a way to make reality beautiful and livable, but you gotta stay grounded in reality too. Yin and yang and all that shit. Can't have good without the bad.
@@kailathefox that's true.... Had a reality check with it...
@@kimgabrielcrisostomo8455 I thought I heard eda the owl lady voice actor
Fuck reality
when I heard her crys for them to stop and "not my baby" it fucking ripped me up because im attached to stuffed animals and just watching it melt made me literally feel so horrified and sad because I am so attached to stuffed animals and the end literally ripped me up too, I feel destroyed and wrecked after watching this
Ngl me too. Like i form emotional bonds with my stuffies as if another human being. And im a teen 😂.
Mhm pain😢
i feel the same but i’ve always has a sensitive spot for the bond at childbirth and/or during pregnancy. so when she wouldn’t let her hold her baby just.. fuck. like.. i trusted you to deliver my baby you can’t just.. take her.. i.. fuck..
How the way to go just cry while throw that in the fire it's probably something that she remembers of like part of her family but they her hey Dad probably doesn't like the picture but like while he throws something away that she loves I could kill myself right now I hate hearing other people cry cuz if I hear other people I like run down to tears
I agree😥😭
"Wait, come back. Please I need to hold her"
As a Mom, hurt so so much
Crying, it's not stupid. It's an emotion that none of us can control.
Reply you can drawing is a motion that your sad are happy. Sometimes mad, you can't control sadness
"womanly emotions" oh yes let me just turn those off no big deal
Yah
As a woman this hurt my feelings more than a heartbreak
Stfu woman's emotions are more powerful than you think they are
That is so f up
the funny thing is they actually did that to Beatrice’s mom
“Your sickness has infected everything”
“Everything huh?”
“Pushes him into the fire”
GUYS I DID NOT COPY WE CAN HAVE SAME OPINIONS GEEZ
Copied?
Yes🍷🗿
Serves him right 🗿🍷
I don't know why I'm laughing but ..😂
I was about to say😂
“crying is stupid“
Hit Me right in the heart 😭💔
“Do you know what we say about crying? Crying is ✨ S T U P I D ✨”
Best line ever
Fr fr
Your sick..
Every child deserves a parent
But not every parent deserves a child
What? That mother was totally deserving!
This deserves more attention 👏👏👏
Well, not all kids deserve parents. Don't you know that there's some kids? That doesn't even treat their parents, right?
And I don't care say I'm wrong for me. I'm telling the truth, cause it's true. Even though not all parents deserves, children and all kids deserves parents, not all. Maybe most because kids out there acting spoiled and treating the parents, bad
Oh screw off. Everyone deserves parents. Whos fault is it for a child to be screwed up? Thats the parents. Saying some KIDS (KIDS) Don't deserve parents is ignorant and gross@@ashton_yt277
@@ashton_yt277 That's so true tho
"Especially your baby" was sad
Everything about this is sad
she didn’t deserve that all of her stuff that she loved got burned and destroyed and her doll got burned and destroyed as well she loved that doll but it got destroyed so it’s ok for her to cry and have womanly emotions so when she’s all grown up and old she took the baby away from that crying woman so that’s why she said you will get attached
I bet this girl will take revenge when she grows up.
She already did
Wow really?@@senpaitwinsgacha4450
This show was so much deeper than most of the shows on television. The way that it explains trauma and it’s consequences, even on a generational level, in this episode was some of the best story telling I’ve ever seen.
😢😢😢😢😢😢❤❤❤❤❤❤
Bojack Horseman: How generational trauma infects anything and everything you touch if you allow it.
I didn’t take that from this until you said that man I appreciate it I really didn’t think of it that way.
Greetings, beloved sister/brother. My heart goes out to everyone, especially you. Whatever you're going through, know that you are not alone and that you are strong, brave, and a confident warrior. Everything's going to be alright and okay in the end, all worth it. Jesus loves you❤may God bless your kind words 🙏 ✨️ 💖 ❤️
Ah yes, wise words from the c00mgoblin with a Bee Movie pfp.
I think he’s the worst dad ever just making her suffer, bro. This made me emotional. I can feel her pain if you like I don’t even have legs anymore.😭😭😭😭
Agreed 😢😢😢
When she's in the retirement home with dementia bojack lies about where she is to comfort her and he asks if the icecream tastes good and she hesitantly says yes, it breaks my heart because she never ate icecream because her mother didn't want her to get fat. Something so simple and she never even got to experience that. I wish i got to see her eat it once
"Remember what we said about crying? Crying is stupid!"
Sounds like my counselor
You need a new counselor then...
Yikesss 💀💀💀
Sounds like my teacher 💀
Get a better counselor
Ye why some counselors do that? They suck
Holy shit .
"Remember what we said about crying? Crying is stupid."
As someone who's laughed at when i cry and get irritated at home, this hit too hard.
Same.. I feel you. 😔
Yep.. at this point I don't even share anything when I'm sad.
Yep. When I’m in an argument and start to cry out of anger, I’m humiliated from the laughter.
Yeah…
I sometimes laugh at myself for crying because I say it's stupid to cry.
I love the makeup skills
“Crying is only making you stronger, and more defensive. But holding it in makes you weaker, and not understandable.”
-My Dad
“No, no please I need to hold my baby” hit hard
Made me shred a tear tt
Kinda made my heart pound rapidly since I'm sensitive to baby crying especially new borns
Do you like Melanie martinez
Nooooooooooooooo!!!! Not the baby!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@Immgreyaltyes
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY BABY”
the subtitles: no. my baby.
😢😢😢💔👎👎👎
true.
"Remember what we say about crying:
Crying is stupid 😊"
Lives rent free in my head
This show is all about people projecting their traumas into the next one, it's one hell of an endless cicle
“Crying isn’t stupid, crying means you’ve stayed strong for too long.”
Faxs
No, it just means your shell has been penetrated, find the problem is fix it.
Mentally or physically... Most likely mentally.
Although like me being what I am a man that spends more time in fiction than reality.
I like to think on thing realistically as possible this stops alot of problems that aren't problems.
J
Facts
I cry everyday because of my mom🙁😕😕
Monsters aren't born, they're made.
Then what made Joseph Sugarman a monster?
That is a sad story 😔😔
@@carnage0685 his time period I guess, misogyny and lobotomies were considered good and helpful
@@guilhermeteodosio40 Pretty much, yeah. Ultimately this is just another case of societal norms fucking up people's lives. Joseph wasn't actively malicious- He genuinely wasn't aware that all the horrible things he was doing were wrong.
@@guilhermeteodosio40Lobotomy still wasn't well lived by people, just endorsed by some as good, It broke families apart after all
"Everything is infected by your desiese!"
Everything huh?
"Throws into fire"
Crying isn’t stupid it just means you stayed strong for too long
"See doesnt that feel better?"
HOW WOULD THAT FEEL BETTER BRUH?
IKR?!!??!
TRUE,DOES BURNING SOMEONE'S FAVORITE TOY MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER?!
I agree. And the mom part made me flipping cry. Image that happening to you.
I KNOW
yooo same pfp@@yuiko.143
This is even more depressing when you realise this character jas dementia which is why most people have blurred faces. She can't remeber any more and the burning of her stuff is basically a representation of her mind burning her memories out. The plush she is holding is her happiest memory, and even that is burned eventually. Atleast that's what I interpurate from this scene
It's also something done in pieces like Bly Manor to show how details and faces become blurred or outright forgotten, even in a deeply traumatic memory. All our faces will do the same in the minds of our loved ones when we are long gone.
wow
its so sad that it's going to make me 😭😭
So that’s why i keep a dirty blanket for 8years.
👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮💩💩💩💩💩
Beatrice didn’t deserve all the shit she had gone through to her cruddy childhood to basically everything when she was married and had Bojack
"No no wait pleas i need to hold her" *screams hard* this... THIS hits hard so hard...
if you think Beatrice is the worst person in the series, don’t forget about the person that made her so evil
You couldn’t really call her the second-worst, either. I’ve probably got the most sympathy for her.
That fact Beatrice voice actor is also the voice of Eda from Owl
House is killing me
@@lalitat23WAIT WHAT😮😮
I HEAR IT NOW
i dont think she’s the worst at all. theres much more characters deserving if that title
insane woah @@lalitat23
“Crying is stupid”
*Revs chainsaw*
“You’re about to look really stupid my dude.”
REDDIT TIER COMMENT. Cry about it too
Nice pfp
@@coolghoul5033 You should’ve said “Reddit tear comment, cry about it” that would’ve actually been funny, but I know I know, you’re the main joke here.
@@somejellyfish Autism
Fr
Butterscotch is the true villain of bojack horseman
This made me cry so hard 😭
This explains so much about Beatrice… she was deliberately raised to be the way she was. To be cold and cruel, so that she can be “strong”. Let go of attachments and don’t get attached to anything (or anyone) else for the pain of losing them would be crippling. Create a wall- a barrier- so strong that no one could break your defences.
It really is an incredible thing when writers make you sympathize with someone you would’ve originally started off hating.
This whole season was absolutely amazing. Her whole story was fantastically well written and seeing her mind so confused and eventually ending with the funeral episode that was perfect. She was in so much pain her whole life.
What the heck is it from cause that shows dark and I'm interested for some reason
@@ms.unknown2048 it’s called bojack horseman
@@alienbird5624 lol thanks
The “not to burn my things” dam bro 👍
Ive been told id find this show the most relatable thing id ever watch from someone whos known me for a half year, i couldn't imagine what i mustve been like my whole life
I think people forget WHY we see her backstory. It’s so we can see WHY she acts the way she does. It’s important to remember there’s a reason why HE acts this way, even if it’s horrible.
Explainations, not excuses. And I love to see it. (many see the backstory and think it excuses the actions, when in reality it's showing just how far down the rabbit hole trauma can go)
What’s this show on??
@@angelagerke6776Netflix
@@angelagerke6776 netflix
@@angelagerke6776Netflix
"You don't want to end like your mother now do you"
I felt that 😢
What happened?
Funny enougj, she kinda did at the end. Dementia destroyed her brain and she was left a shell of her formerself, not aware of anything
@@Bread32445she got lobotomized :(
My little sister loves her baby dolls so much.
I’ve herd bojack was dumb but this scene is actually good.
I feel so bad but this is like when my mom made me throw away my fav pillow and plush❤
bojack horseman is like i can't even put it into words but like its an amazing show i dont know how many times i should say this but watch it please do 10/10
sidenote dont watch it if you are not emotionally or mentally prepared i guess
How will I know if I'm emotionally or mentally prepared if I dont watch it?
Where can I watch it?
@@st4rtruck it's on Netflix 👍🏼 that's all I have 🤷♀️😂
@@d.tt.wilding7740 I guess I was kind of exaggerating because I watched it when I was at one of my worst moments but it just has some like subjects that could be triggering to some so im pretty sure theres like a website or something to check what the show does have in it just to like "warn" you or even netflix has the like "warning" at the top
@@st4rtruck its on netflix!
"does that feel better"
What the fuck.
Edit: damnnnn where did the likes come from?
NO!!!
Agreed
I mean, HE is the one that feel better.
Dude learn how to be a dad
The horse
“ Crying is stupid”
My brain👁️👄👁️:
That dad is stupid
Even though its a movie everytine i watch it it makes me cry so hard
"i wanna have a word with him, and that word is MURDER"
He got to live a normal fulfilled life, died of old age, and never got his comeuppance. Good day ☺️
@@Dayserking the horse dad is dead
🚲🚲❤️🔥🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪👹👹
Can i help you with that word?
Bruh it's a show get over it 🙂
" Dont let your womanly emotions consume you" That is just fucked up, This show really captured the trauma and other things that happen.
This is heartbreaking! Makes me think of my sick , twisted & evil relatives…
Wait…what did they do?
And this.
Is why people become villains.
Why is the mothers face scribbled out
"But father tell them not to burn my things!"
Saddest thing
'what did we say about crying? Crying is... Stupid.'
How to be a shit dad 101
“Wait wait I need to hold her!”
“Please I need to hold her”
Saddest part probably
No it was Beatrice's crying and screaming
“ur sickness has infected everything”
“Ok.”
*nicely pushes him into the fire*
This made me cry 😭😭😭😭😿😿😿😿
I literally got chills 4 times in a row in like 7 seconds
The fact the toy of Beatrice was smiling at the start but when it got burned it stopped smiling
I feel bad for Beatrice, she didnt deserve that
That’s a bit creepy but this is just sad.
What is the name of the episode
When I was a little autistic girl my dolls were my only friends for quite some time. I still love them dearly and would never destroy them...this part made me ugly cry.
True
DUDE IVE NEVER EVEN SEEN THAT SHOW BUT THE EMOTIONS ARE INSANE IM LEGIT CRYING RN
edit: wow 116 likes!
793! That’s crazy lmao
@@sevengrapes-gi1io YEAH!
You should really watch it. Bojack is masterpiece, believe me
I wonder if you all would actually feel this way knowing how Beatrice acted when she was older
@@brianbread7698 damn sounds intense I need to watch this show
You will cry even more once you watch the show and get to that episode knowing everything about Beatrice
Crying is not stupid it shows you have emotions and you are strong
Not me pushing him in the fire
I was just watching shorts with my little sister when we saw this, I tried to scroll but my sister wanted to see it and after she bursted out in tears hugging me and I didn’t know what to do
@💌Møri Kid💌 yeah she’s 6
@Karen Ann Cuenco Oh, I’m the one who didn’t cry my little sister did
Wow...hope she will recover from this memory.
Do you think tears will come out after a panic attack and a mental breakdown.cause I can't cry anymore. :/
Poor.. little one
@@emmaqueen3940 she'll probably forget about it in a few months.
My heart jumped when he said "you don't want to end like your mother"
The pibby glitch
@lolz man
SPOILERS:
Beatrice's mother was given a lobotomy as she couldn't get over her son who was killed in world war two
She exists as a cold empty shell of a thing rather than something actually alive. Their portrayal of Beatrice's mother post-lobotomy is terrifying
@@soopy6667 can u please dumb it down for me idk what a lobotomy is im stupid soz. I havnt watched the show and dont plan on doing so after this scene has been exposed to me
@@tinytot6388 the removal of the frontal lobe, it was used to reduce fear and agitation but some of the side effects are what he said above
They portrayed dementia so well. Like i remember crying when I saw that.
Beatrice saved that woman’s future even though that woman fvcked her husband and disrespected her . She did for her what her parents didn’t do for her and what she couldn’t do for Bojack and that’s a redeeming quality no one else in the whole show has had
Yeah, Beatrice had a very complicated dynamic with Henrietta. On the one hand, I think she did hate her for sleeping with her husband and becoming pregnant with his child. On the other hand, Beatrice loved Henrietta and saw in her all of her own missed opportunities. She really did believe she was giving her the best chance.
The thing is, we don't know what Henrietta's and Hollyhock's lives would have been like. Henrietta probably would have been a lot less bitter and mean than Beatrice. Beatrice was essentially deciding her fate for her.
@@carlycrays2831 Henrietta decided that on her own the moment she slept with Beatrice’s husband and then had the nerve to ask her for money for her ENTIRE schooling … Henrietta would have been a deadbeat without Beatrice she had no money or family hollyhock would have had no future or love
@@mayeryncarty4795 Henrietta was a very young girl who clearly had her own issues. That is clear. But at the same time, she was asking for help. She was trying to better herself and she was reaching out to the only people she had.
And honestly, asking Bojack's dad for money wasn't inappropriate given that she was pregnant with his child. And even Beatrice realized that Henrietta had been manipulated and wasn't really at fault.
@@carlycrays2831 thats bs .Beatrice literally saw Henrietta flirting with her husband and told both of em it bothered her only for them to proceed to have sex in HER HOUSE . Also Henrietta asked BEATRICE for money not her husband and her issues aren’t Beatrice’s business you don’t fvck someone’s husband in their face and then ask them to pay your whole college fee. Henrietta was hired to care for Beatrice and she wasn’t even doing that right.
@@mayeryncarty4795
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If you watch the scene, you can clearly see that she was more concerned about what would happen to Henrietta than the fucking affair. Henrietta asked for help because she was clearly struggling, and Beatrice *choose* to help her because she experienced what would truly happen if she stayed with Butterscotch. Henrietta was just asking for some help, not to pay off her entire schooling. That was entirely Beatrice’s choice because she clearly wanted Henrietta to have a better life than she did. Outside of the scene alone, this show is too nuanced to be so one-sided.