This essentially explains it. mostholytrinityseminary.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/The_Little_Catechism_on_the_Thesis_Desposito_2022_edited_March_2023.pdf
The ecumenical patriarch is not like Rome's Pope. A teaching from the EP is not infallible nor does the orthodox church have some sort of magical "magisterial teaching authority" which makes the patriarchs infallible. We rely on tradition and the Fathers, which hold true regardless of modern patriarchs' right or wrong teachings. Western christians by and large really do not understand how the Orthodox or even eastern catholicism functions nor do they charitably try to understand. The East is not like the West so holding it to the Western standard is completely intellectually dishonest.
What? You say there isn't a magisterial authority and then immediately contradict yourself by saying that there is a magisterial authority of Tradition and Church Fathers that is adhered to by Orthodox Bishops. Such utter lack of regard for theological reason is a sure sign of heresy.
@@TheDTCory The Orthodox do not nor has the church ever defined the magisterium of the church. I said "the Orthodox church [does not] have some sort of magical "magisterial teaching authority" which makes the patriarchs infallible." If the EP is not in agreement with Holy tradition or the West's "magisterial teaching" then it is, or ought to be, discarded. There is no such thing as an ordinary teaching authority of the bishops outside of teachings that come directly from Holy Tradition.
@@ethanbarganier6229 The Church Fathers teach that the Bishops of the Church, when teaching universally, have an ordinary authority to teach the Gospel. That by definition is what the Magisterium is. Does your Orthodox bishop know that you are spouting this nonsense?
@@TheDTCory When does the church teach things universally? is it any statement made by a bishop at any time? or is it under certain circumstances like, say, a universal council? The bishops teach things authoritatively if they coincide with Holy tradition or when, as a body, dogmas are defined such as at the First Council of Nicaea, First Council of Constantinople, Council of Ephesus, Council of Chalcedon, Second Council of Constantinople, Third Council of Constantinople, Second Council of Nicaea, Fourth Council of Constantinople, Council of Blachernae, Fifth Council of Constantinople (Palamite council), Council of Moldova, or the Council of Jerusalem. A teaching made by a patriarch is not authoritatively binding simply because he said it but when it coincides with Holy Tradition. The teaching authority does not come from holding the office but from being in agreement with the deposit of faith and the universal teaching of the Fathers, that is when the Fathers agree on a theological issue unanimously. This "consensus patrum", which St. Vincent of Lerins described as "has been believed everywhere, always, by all" is how one recognizes authoritative teachings. As a sedeprivationist, do you believe any teaching promulgated by the Bishop of Rome is authoritatively binding on the faithful by nature of their occupying the see of Rome? no? Then why do you uncharitably say "the Eastern Orthodox now teach..." when the Orthodox do not teach such things according to our ecclesial structure nor by the ecclesial structure of your church, especially in the structure you seem to believe in.
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This essentially explains it.
mostholytrinityseminary.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/The_Little_Catechism_on_the_Thesis_Desposito_2022_edited_March_2023.pdf
@@TheDTCory Thank you.👍
The ecumenical patriarch is not like Rome's Pope. A teaching from the EP is not infallible nor does the orthodox church have some sort of magical "magisterial teaching authority" which makes the patriarchs infallible. We rely on tradition and the Fathers, which hold true regardless of modern patriarchs' right or wrong teachings. Western christians by and large really do not understand how the Orthodox or even eastern catholicism functions nor do they charitably try to understand. The East is not like the West so holding it to the Western standard is completely intellectually dishonest.
What? You say there isn't a magisterial authority and then immediately contradict yourself by saying that there is a magisterial authority of Tradition and Church Fathers that is adhered to by Orthodox Bishops. Such utter lack of regard for theological reason is a sure sign of heresy.
@@TheDTCory The Orthodox do not nor has the church ever defined the magisterium of the church. I said "the Orthodox church [does not] have some sort of magical "magisterial teaching authority" which makes the patriarchs infallible." If the EP is not in agreement with Holy tradition or the West's "magisterial teaching" then it is, or ought to be, discarded. There is no such thing as an ordinary teaching authority of the bishops outside of teachings that come directly from Holy Tradition.
@@ethanbarganier6229 The Church Fathers teach that the Bishops of the Church, when teaching universally, have an ordinary authority to teach the Gospel. That by definition is what the Magisterium is. Does your Orthodox bishop know that you are spouting this nonsense?
@@TheDTCory When does the church teach things universally? is it any statement made by a bishop at any time? or is it under certain circumstances like, say, a universal council? The bishops teach things authoritatively if they coincide with Holy tradition or when, as a body, dogmas are defined such as at the First Council of Nicaea, First Council of Constantinople,
Council of Ephesus, Council of Chalcedon, Second Council of Constantinople, Third Council of Constantinople,
Second Council of Nicaea, Fourth Council of Constantinople, Council of Blachernae, Fifth Council of Constantinople (Palamite council), Council of Moldova, or the Council of Jerusalem. A teaching made by a patriarch is not authoritatively binding simply because he said it but when it coincides with Holy Tradition. The teaching authority does not come from holding the office but from being in agreement with the deposit of faith and the universal teaching of the Fathers, that is when the Fathers agree on a theological issue unanimously. This "consensus patrum", which St. Vincent of Lerins described as "has been believed everywhere, always, by all" is how one recognizes authoritative teachings. As a sedeprivationist, do you believe any teaching promulgated by the Bishop of Rome is authoritatively binding on the faithful by nature of their occupying the see of Rome? no? Then why do you uncharitably say "the Eastern Orthodox now teach..." when the Orthodox do not teach such things according to our ecclesial structure nor by the ecclesial structure of your church, especially in the structure you seem to believe in.