Really cool video. It looked like everyone had a great time. I wish I had a biking community to ride with. It hard living in the middle of nowhere to find bike people. Can't wait until the next video.
going through other peoples setups reeeeallly gives perspective on whats "practical" and what works. even just s quick rapid fite overview with some good aesthetic shots
I always call it adventuring lol ..cause that’s what it turns out to be an adventure.. we always have the guy who packs enough for a year and the guy who has nothing and even forgot his water bottle , but it always ends up being the best day of our lives wrong turns and sore butts and all . Every ride is the best ride ever . Love your videos!! Great crew .
I'd love to see how all the different people in your group pack their stuff. Everyone seems to have a different set up /preference. I've been surprised you don't seem to utilize a rear rack. Thanks for sharing, enjoy your videos!
Definitely planning to do it. Talked to a few of them about it already. I just don’t have a need for a rear rack with this style of bag - mostly because I’m tall. Erin and Aaron are using the same rear bag but have a rack because their bikes are smaller and will have tire rub. Also - the Raleigh handles better with more weight on the front - so I don’t want to have a rack back there. I think I am going to put a front rack with low rider panniers on the Gunnar.
I always bring mics to make that video when we are setting up camp and breaking down but I have yet to feel like doing it when we are actually on location. I will try to make it happen next time.
I find it hard to believe : the quality of the trails you get to ride. I ride a 1972 FUJI SPECIAL ROAD RACER< BUTTED HIGH TENSILE STEEL with a CINCINATI CYLE CLUB decal> on the trails around Austin Tx.
Great vid… appreciate what you’re doing. I always think of it like backpacking - whether it’s a single night, or multiple it’s putting gear on your bike and sleeping outdoors.
What setup you take largely depends on budget too. I’d venture that most don’t have multiple bike choices or baggage setups. So I’d say bring what you got. Personally that means a trek 520 with ortlieb panniers. Definitely a cycle “touring” setup and that’s how refer to it even if just an overnighter. Just got some fork bags to eliminate front rack for lighter escapades. Speed at which you want to travel also plays a part. It seems to me bike packers are always in a hurry to get somewhere, so super light and minimal. Touring connotes a slower speed and more stops. “What’s your average speed / how far do you go a day.” Are questions that used to bother me like I had to qualify for approval or impress. Then I’d think (to myself) I’m always going faster and farther than the person asking 😅
I agree with your points - I made an earlier video about dipping your toes in on a budget. Being that is the only way I ever vacation now I don't mind spending the money on quality upgrades. Yeah - speed and distance is irrelevant - its my "vacation" and I'm going to go the distance and speed I want - usually with beer stop & photo stops mixed in. These things only become relevant if you are inviting someone new - definitely have to be on a similar page to enjoy a trip together.
Wow you got some great shots. Excellent perspective of what the trails are like. Im familiar with all those areas. I was out riding in chagrin falls and Willoughby on memorial day. 😅 Im definitely wanting to get back into bike touring mindset ive been busy in chardon but ready to branch out again. I feel like it helps with thinking and has cognitive benefits while riding on the bike. Many gains and freedom from bike touring. Even in the heat as long as you got enough water and your gear doesn't melt your good.
Semantics are a real joy killer. I moved out west from Ohio when I was 22 (38 now). I’ve toured the OR coast down to the CA redwoods and ridden logging and forest roads- always packing what I needed on my bike. I still don’t know what to call it other than a good time ✌️+ ❤
Getting upset over semantics is a waste of time and energy - that being said terms for certain things make sense. If I tell my friend we are going for a "bike ride" and then take 'em to single track they will be very unhappy on a vintage road bike..... But yeah - having fun is the main goal no matter what you are doing on the bike!!
We just came home yesterday from two bike camping trips over the last 10 days and we’re debating the same issue. I used my gravel bike for both and my partner used his mountain bike for both and we both broke spokes in the back. So now we’re wondering if we actually have the right bikes, or if we’re just carrying too much weight for these kinds of trips. We were both within the way recommendations for their our bikes, and 98% of these routes were on pavement, so I’m not sure what happened.
That is surprising to hear as wheels on MTBs and gravel bikes should be able to handle a decent amount of weight as they are also usually built to handle a decent amount of abuse. It could be how you are balancing the weight? I find modern bike do much better with the weight balanced or even leaning more on the front.
@@TimFitzwater we chatted with our bike shop and both bikes have lightweight wheels to make the bikes lighter. And while they are called gravel and MT bikes, these rims are really not meant for the abuse we put them through. Also, this was our 4th bike packing/touring trip with these set ups. After 1000 miles, we’ve probably stressed them too much. So, new rims are on order.
I was a bike touring nut Long before the term "bike packing" came on the scene. I always figured "bike packing" was simply a marketing term, so I avoid it. Bike camping, on the other hand makes absolute sense to me, as time constraints often limit me to 24 hour overnight escape plans. Just my two cents. Call it what you want, life on two wheels is the ultimate expression of "freedom". Cheers from Montreal QC😊 QC.😊
I agree the terms aren't worth getting all upset over. But I would not take a 70s touring bike on a bikepacking.com route and I wouldn't take a modern "bikepacking" bike on a cross country pavement tour. I guess I almost view "bikepacking" as a genre of touring - touring but more off the beaten path. but yeah - whatever you call it - have fun!
People say that about a lot of cycling terms. "Gravel bike is just a marketing term" - no, the bikes were originally designed for gravel racing and the name just stuck. Just like mountain bikes were originally ridden in the California mountains - but most of us ride them on local single track parks nowhere near mountains....
This is awesome I'm watching this in a forest in England been out for a few weeks now under a different tree each night. Last few days has been windy and cloudy my solar panel isn't getting enough support to keep my power banks/phone topped up. Could I ask is there a USB dyanamo charger you recommend in your experience and I apologise if I've missed this covered on an earlier video. Great content man. Much love. Feel free to watch my unedited raw clips here.
That’s rad! I’ve never really been that far off the grid that I haven’t been able to top off my power banks by plugging them in. I also don’t have any experience with dynamos so I can’t recommend anything. I have watched videos though we’re people have usb power hooked up too them. Cheers!
@@TimFitzwater Thank you Tim. Really great video. My dynamo wheel collapsed on the 23rd of May It's only been used three months. 9 days later it's taking Genesis ages to do a warranty repair had to ship the whole front wheel to them and buy another. Now I'm on a Raleigh 240 and my lights are out of action. I learnt yesterday there is a good usb dynamo charger from USA it's called Sine wave revolution it has a gold plated water resistant USB port. Have a good day.
I’m just looking for the first time and I really like what everyone is doing. I rode from Atlantic to pacific in 2013 it was epic. I want to do it again.
I always recommend your local bike shop if it is one you feel comfortable in(and they don’t just try to sell you racing stuff). Local shops are the best resource because you can actually try the bikes and most good ones will modify the components to suit you needs. Beyond that check out the reviews on the YT channel Path Less Pedaled - Russ reviews the kind of bikes I like. People also say the Pros Closet is a good resource to buy used bikes but also get info on what bike makes the most sense for you.
Bike touring in the UK is generally a steel drop bar bicycle with rack. In Europe we don't tend to have long distance gravel routes. Racks and panniers allow quick stop lock and go shopping eating exploring. Maybe we have a lot more small country roads? Personally have gravel touring and road. The use case for a trad touring bike is not that we'll understood.
That would be the classic touring bike here too. The bike packing “style” and routed have really caught on though. I have seen some videos of people doing what I’d consider bike packing in Europe though. I’m also envious of the small country roads I always see in Great Britain- so much of our infrastructure is overbuilt and dangerous for bikes.
These videos make me want to visit the US and ride a trail with you guys. Although we have a lot of great trails in the UK, no way are we set up with camp grounds like you guys, it's always privately owned camp sites or wild camping which is mostly illegal (except in Scotland).
Thanks! Ah - it is only Scotland where you have the right to camp anywhere for the most part - I have watched some YT videos and thought it was all of GB. We are lucky with a decent amount of state parks with amenities.
@@TimFitzwater Some people do find secluded spots to camp and I've never heard of anyone getting moved on. Most people pitch up late, leave early and leave no trace.
The term bikepacking goes back at least 5 decades. The thing is, as with anything, the more people involved the more diluted and forgotten the history gets. Not that it matters anymore, but it was originally mountain biking out on trails that you couldn't access by vehicle in those days and couldn't ride to within a days time. So you had to pack to camp. But since mountain bikes didn't have provisions for touring gear (and, they were mountain biking), they were just tying their stuff to the bike however they could. Which when you keep this in mind, also answers the question all the bike tourists constantly ask about "why don't you just use panniers?" Because they couldn't. And because it was a different goal. And so the bags evolved differently. And here we are today. Modern materials and tech are allowing these things to converge so this is all a wash. And people are going to reject everything I just typed anyways, probably while screaming through their keyboards about "The Industry" and "Marketing" and "Shoving [insert whatever they're upset about this week] down their throats".
I responded below the other comment but I do tend to agree. Bike packing is a genre of touring focused on off-road riding. The reason I think the lines are getting blurred is that there are bikes and bags(even racks now) capable of doing both. This set up I'm using in the video is comfortable on the road - but I also used it over gnarly New England routes at Nutmeg last year....
Well, I call it bikepacking any time in going in the wilderness, or desolate areas & bike touring is staying in main roads & in cities, even if you're Stealth camping
I don't see the need to make distinctions between bikepacking and touring. I go on different trips with different bags depending on conditions and it's all bikepacking to me since my bike is carrying the load instead of my aging back.
"Bikepackers" or cyclists who ride off road are very into that distinctions. I do get the idea of having different terms - if you tried to do a bikebacking.com route on a touring bike you would be in trouble! That being said I see no reason to get heated about it like some people do. Cheers!
Thanks! I know I've talked about it in videos here and there but... Its a combination of things to plan. I will often have something make a route like Google maps, Strava, Wahoo etc and then adjust it. Strava heatmaps can be helpful. I also like using Google Street View to see how much of a shoulder there is.
@@TimFitzwaterthe street maps is a good tip. I’m trying to connect two rail trails to circle a large lake and I can’t avoid a state highway to do it unfortunately. I’ll give street view a try though. Thank you!
How much does the raleigh weigh? I was out on my midnight special on the w & od and it was kinda feeling heavy. Do i just gotta build up my strength or do steel bikes just have a slower vibe?
No idea / but the Raleigh should be comparable to a Midnight Special. Yeah - it’s you not the bike. Think of everything in the system - we are most of the weight. The bike is a small percentage. I don’t worry one bit about what my bike weighs even when I load it with supplies (beer). 😎
Again, I love the trippy, wide angle, image stabilized Go Pro work . Do I need to spend $549.00 to get that? Then again, that's what you do, isn't it? sooo.. Love how you all seem to be pretty tight. Riding with people you know well is everything. (predictable). I vote gravel bikes all the way for your 100 mile +/- or so forays. Idea: You could, however, designate a "steward", The guy at 3:14 with the panniers, have him carry the french cooking , oh, but the beer is too much weight, they'd say. So do wine. So fund him. Pros: much less time wasted . Cons: you don't get the ambience of stopping at some cool brewery. Possible mosquito swatting. No A/C and smiling waitress. It all boils down to speed and mileage , everyone always immediately thinks. No, it's about culture, fun, love , and above all, *safety. Save the huge bags for when you're 73 and slow AF. Onward .
The GoPro 11 is $400 right now - not chump change but in the camera world not that expensive. Personally I don’t think it’s worth saving a bit of money to get something it not as good… I guess I don’t really care about camp cooking enough to haul(or have someone haul) that kind of gear. A camp stove and dehydrated meal will get me by. Timing beer runs and food pick ups close to camp is preferred but this summers trips may make that not an option. Just another chance to learn more and try something different.
@@TimFitzwater a Trangia stove would fire up in seconds , assuming we all want a hot gourmet meal. Or just pass out pre-made burritos . If you go on a group ride, and don't like those, you should be banned. Everyone, including grandma, and even my mom, eats chips and salsa. Then there's the "Road-Rescue Burrito" . Guy at 3:14 be like... "dude yer bonkin'!!!! We gotcha! here wail this!." (passes it out with left hand pass) That would be more like a ride here in CT where there is far more carpet fiber Phred-Poser activity . I assume you have clients here . Just for fun, google the AMC Glastonbury Hills ride in October . Lots of climbing ,100 Miler . You do have to pay a fee for that ride , yes they have stations , massage , group Gestalt Therapy...Do y'all have the right stuff?
whats you average touring bike weight? you or youre friends if you had to guess and put a number on it. loaded/unloaded. just trying to get a practical basis.
To be honest I don’t know. I try to go as minimal as possible but I also want to be comfortable so don’t let the numbers consume me or affect my decisions. (I mean - I carry a camp chair because I need back support at the fire) It’s worth remembering that even a loaded bike isn’t as heavy as we are - the bike is still just a percentage of the system. I will always ride steel bikes with the things I need. I just got home from a 30 mile ride at an average of 15mph with two full 16 oz beers in my bag - don’t sweat the numbers - just have fun.
Fun crew!
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Really cool video. It looked like everyone had a great time. I wish I had a biking community to ride with. It hard living in the middle of nowhere to find bike people. Can't wait until the next video.
Thanks!
It seems the community keeps growing around here as more and more people get bitten by the cycling bug.
Great video!!
Thanks!
going through other peoples setups reeeeallly gives perspective on whats "practical" and what works. even just s quick rapid fite overview with some good aesthetic shots
For sure - there is so many ways to do it and so much of the gear is costly - it’s so helpful to see what others are doing for reference.
I always call it adventuring lol ..cause that’s what it turns out to be an adventure.. we always have the guy who packs enough for a year and the guy who has nothing and even forgot his water bottle , but it always ends up being the best day of our lives wrong turns and sore butts and all . Every ride is the best ride ever . Love your videos!! Great crew .
Ha!
Thanks so much!
We just call ‘em overnights.
Just did GAP and C&O with my son. Feel like I'm hooked, and I can't wait to do more and improve my setup. Good content, thanks.
The GAP is what got us hooked!
Man that's a super fun day🔥🔥👍👍
Heck yeah!
Drooling from looking at those beautiful machines.
Yeah - gotta force myself to make people talk about them on camera.
@@TimFitzwater love to see your buds rigs
beau film sur le nord des USA !!!
Merci!
I'd love to see how all the different people in your group pack their stuff. Everyone seems to have a different set up /preference. I've been surprised you don't seem to utilize a rear rack. Thanks for sharing, enjoy your videos!
Definitely planning to do it. Talked to a few of them about it already.
I just don’t have a need for a rear rack with this style of bag - mostly because I’m tall. Erin and Aaron are using the same rear bag but have a rack because their bikes are smaller and will have tire rub.
Also - the Raleigh handles better with more weight on the front - so I don’t want to have a rack back there.
I think I am going to put a front rack with low rider panniers on the Gunnar.
looks like a fun trip and time well spent. thanks for sharing.
It was a great couple days!
Looks like a great ride! Always nice to see impressions of rural America, the smaller, lesser known towns & places etc.
It was gun - definitely cool to hit and explore those smaller towns/country roads.
I would like to see camping set ups; I’m particularly interested in someone who rides a small frame size. Thanks.
I always bring mics to make that video when we are setting up camp and breaking down but I have yet to feel like doing it when we are actually on location.
I will try to make it happen next time.
bike camping is what we call our one or two night excursions on the Airline and Hop River trails here in CT.
I think it’s the best term. I believe I’ve been on a bit of the Airline Trail.
it was a GOOD CREW
Heck yeah!
Amazon sucks evening more now
Right?! Used to be a “pavement ends” sing there - my favorite road sign.
I find it hard to believe : the quality of the trails you get to ride. I ride a 1972 FUJI SPECIAL ROAD RACER< BUTTED HIGH TENSILE STEEL with a CINCINATI CYLE CLUB decal> on the trails around Austin Tx.
Bikes, beer and Buddies, perfect ✊
Yup!
Great vid… appreciate what you’re doing.
I always think of it like backpacking - whether it’s a single night, or multiple it’s putting gear on your bike and sleeping outdoors.
Thanks!
What setup you take largely depends on budget too. I’d venture that most don’t have multiple bike choices or baggage setups. So I’d say bring what you got. Personally that means a trek 520 with ortlieb panniers. Definitely a cycle “touring” setup and that’s how refer to it even if just an overnighter.
Just got some fork bags to eliminate front rack for lighter escapades.
Speed at which you want to travel also plays a part. It seems to me bike packers are always in a hurry to get somewhere, so super light and minimal. Touring connotes a slower speed and more stops.
“What’s your average speed / how far do you go a day.” Are questions that used to bother me like I had to qualify for approval or impress. Then I’d think (to myself) I’m always going faster and farther than the person asking 😅
I agree with your points - I made an earlier video about dipping your toes in on a budget.
Being that is the only way I ever vacation now I don't mind spending the money on quality upgrades.
Yeah - speed and distance is irrelevant - its my "vacation" and I'm going to go the distance and speed I want - usually with beer stop & photo stops mixed in. These things only become relevant if you are inviting someone new - definitely have to be on a similar page to enjoy a trip together.
A great video as always. I actually told a friend about your channel earlier in the day, and here we are with content to share with her! Sweet!
Thanks so much - just like my actual business that stuff matters a ton!
love this video. i wanna join but too far away.
Thanks! This was a fun one.
The amount of footages you took is mindblowing. 😱
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@@TimFitzwater how many cameras did you use?
Two - GoPro 11 for video and Canon R8 for stills.
@@TimFitzwater nice setup! 🤗👍👍👍
Wow you got some great shots. Excellent perspective of what the trails are like. Im familiar with all those areas. I was out riding in chagrin falls and Willoughby on memorial day. 😅 Im definitely wanting to get back into bike touring mindset ive been busy in chardon but ready to branch out again. I feel like it helps with thinking and has cognitive benefits while riding on the bike. Many gains and freedom from bike touring. Even in the heat as long as you got enough water and your gear doesn't melt your good.
Thanks! We must have come close to crossing paths.
Yeah - when I can't ride I start to go a little crazy - it is the closest I get to meditation.
outstanding weather for the weekend. we had exactly the same here in Boise. river is still raging though so no floating. tnx for excellent views.
Perfect weather - Lake Erie is shallow compared to the other Great Lakes but still way too cold to swim right now.
Semantics are a real joy killer. I moved out west from Ohio when I was 22 (38 now). I’ve toured the OR coast down to the CA redwoods and ridden logging and forest roads- always packing what I needed on my bike. I still don’t know what to call it other than a good time
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Getting upset over semantics is a waste of time and energy - that being said terms for certain things make sense.
If I tell my friend we are going for a "bike ride" and then take 'em to single track they will be very unhappy on a vintage road bike.....
But yeah - having fun is the main goal no matter what you are doing on the bike!!
@@TimFitzwater good on ya! 🤗 you’d be a pretty crappy friend if you took ‘em on a ride they aren’t geared up for or in shape for…
We just came home yesterday from two bike camping trips over the last 10 days and we’re debating the same issue. I used my gravel bike for both and my partner used his mountain bike for both and we both broke spokes in the back. So now we’re wondering if we actually have the right bikes, or if we’re just carrying too much weight for these kinds of trips. We were both within the way recommendations for their our bikes, and 98% of these routes were on pavement, so I’m not sure what happened.
That is surprising to hear as wheels on MTBs and gravel bikes should be able to handle a decent amount of weight as they are also usually built to handle a decent amount of abuse.
It could be how you are balancing the weight? I find modern bike do much better with the weight balanced or even leaning more on the front.
@@TimFitzwater we chatted with our bike shop and both bikes have lightweight wheels to make the bikes lighter. And while they are called gravel and MT bikes, these rims are really not meant for the abuse we put them through. Also, this was our 4th bike packing/touring trip with these set ups. After 1000 miles, we’ve probably stressed them too much. So, new rims are on order.
Thanks for the shoutout and support Tim!
Cheers Mike!
I was a bike touring nut Long before the term "bike packing" came on the scene. I always figured "bike packing" was simply a marketing term, so I avoid it. Bike camping, on the other hand makes absolute sense to me, as time constraints often limit me to 24 hour overnight escape plans. Just my two cents. Call it what you want, life on two wheels is the ultimate expression of "freedom". Cheers from Montreal QC😊 QC.😊
The term bikepacking dates back at least 50 years. So no, its not "simply a marketing term". People claiming such just don't know the history.
I agree the terms aren't worth getting all upset over.
But I would not take a 70s touring bike on a bikepacking.com route and I wouldn't take a modern "bikepacking" bike on a cross country pavement tour.
I guess I almost view "bikepacking" as a genre of touring - touring but more off the beaten path.
but yeah - whatever you call it - have fun!
People say that about a lot of cycling terms. "Gravel bike is just a marketing term" - no, the bikes were originally designed for gravel racing and the name just stuck. Just like mountain bikes were originally ridden in the California mountains - but most of us ride them on local single track parks nowhere near mountains....
This is awesome I'm watching this in a forest in England been out for a few weeks now under a different tree each night. Last few days has been windy and cloudy my solar panel isn't getting enough support to keep my power banks/phone topped up. Could I ask is there a USB dyanamo charger you recommend in your experience and I apologise if I've missed this covered on an earlier video. Great content man. Much love.
Feel free to watch my unedited raw clips here.
That’s rad! I’ve never really been that far off the grid that I haven’t been able to top off my power banks by plugging them in. I also don’t have any experience with dynamos so I can’t recommend anything. I have watched videos though we’re people have usb power hooked up too them.
Cheers!
@@TimFitzwater Thank you Tim. Really great video. My dynamo wheel collapsed on the 23rd of May It's only been used three months. 9 days later it's taking Genesis ages to do a warranty repair had to ship the whole front wheel to them and buy another. Now I'm on a Raleigh 240 and my lights are out of action. I learnt yesterday there is a good usb dynamo charger from USA it's called Sine wave revolution it has a gold plated water resistant USB port. Have a good day.
Enjoyed that one very much Tim… Great flick..
Thanks! It was a great weekend.
I’m just looking for the first time and I really like what everyone is doing. I rode from Atlantic to pacific in 2013 it was epic. I want to do it again.
I would love to have the time to do a tour like that!
@@TimFitzwater 2months! Because some people did not want to let go of me lol. June 26the - August 16th 2013 Rhode Island - San Diego
Amazing!
@@TimFitzwater yes indeed! Do you know where I can start to look at bikes meant for long distance?
I always recommend your local bike shop if it is one you feel comfortable in(and they don’t just try to sell you racing stuff). Local shops are the best resource because you can actually try the bikes and most good ones will modify the components to suit you needs.
Beyond that check out the reviews on the YT channel Path Less Pedaled - Russ reviews the kind of bikes I like.
People also say the Pros Closet is a good resource to buy used bikes but also get info on what bike makes the most sense for you.
Bike touring in the UK is generally a steel drop bar bicycle with rack. In Europe we don't tend to have long distance gravel routes. Racks and panniers allow quick stop lock and go shopping eating exploring. Maybe we have a lot more small country roads? Personally have gravel touring and road. The use case for a trad touring bike is not that we'll understood.
That would be the classic touring bike here too.
The bike packing “style” and routed have really caught on though.
I have seen some videos of people doing what I’d consider bike packing in Europe though.
I’m also envious of the small country roads I always see in Great Britain- so much of our infrastructure is overbuilt and dangerous for bikes.
Thanks Tim ...more fun !
Perfect couple days out - cheers!
These videos make me want to visit the US and ride a trail with you guys. Although we have a lot of great trails in the UK, no way are we set up with camp grounds like you guys, it's always privately owned camp sites or wild camping which is mostly illegal (except in Scotland).
Thanks!
Ah - it is only Scotland where you have the right to camp anywhere for the most part - I have watched some YT videos and thought it was all of GB.
We are lucky with a decent amount of state parks with amenities.
@@TimFitzwater Some people do find secluded spots to camp and I've never heard of anyone getting moved on. Most people pitch up late, leave early and leave no trace.
I'd be down to go with you guys sometime & do a rig rundown.
Sees cattle: "We were mooovin'...". Nice video edit!😂
🐄 thanks!
The term bikepacking goes back at least 5 decades. The thing is, as with anything, the more people involved the more diluted and forgotten the history gets. Not that it matters anymore, but it was originally mountain biking out on trails that you couldn't access by vehicle in those days and couldn't ride to within a days time. So you had to pack to camp. But since mountain bikes didn't have provisions for touring gear (and, they were mountain biking), they were just tying their stuff to the bike however they could. Which when you keep this in mind, also answers the question all the bike tourists constantly ask about "why don't you just use panniers?" Because they couldn't. And because it was a different goal. And so the bags evolved differently. And here we are today. Modern materials and tech are allowing these things to converge so this is all a wash. And people are going to reject everything I just typed anyways, probably while screaming through their keyboards about "The Industry" and "Marketing" and "Shoving [insert whatever they're upset about this week] down their throats".
I responded below the other comment but I do tend to agree.
Bike packing is a genre of touring focused on off-road riding.
The reason I think the lines are getting blurred is that there are bikes and bags(even racks now) capable of doing both.
This set up I'm using in the video is comfortable on the road - but I also used it over gnarly New England routes at Nutmeg last year....
Well, I call it bikepacking any time in going in the wilderness, or desolate areas & bike touring is staying in main roads & in cities, even if you're Stealth camping
I don't see the need to make distinctions between bikepacking and touring. I go on different trips with different bags depending on conditions and it's all bikepacking to me since my bike is carrying the load instead of my aging back.
"Bikepackers" or cyclists who ride off road are very into that distinctions. I do get the idea of having different terms - if you tried to do a bikebacking.com route on a touring bike you would be in trouble! That being said I see no reason to get heated about it like some people do.
Cheers!
These bike packing videos are growing. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks! Cheers!
Nice ride.
Thanks!
As always a great video!
Do you have any videos or suggestions on route planning for this sort of thing or is it more or less common sense?
Thanks!
I know I've talked about it in videos here and there but...
Its a combination of things to plan. I will often have something make a route like Google maps, Strava, Wahoo etc and then adjust it.
Strava heatmaps can be helpful. I also like using Google Street View to see how much of a shoulder there is.
@@TimFitzwaterthe street maps is a good tip. I’m trying to connect two rail trails to circle a large lake and I can’t avoid a state highway to do it unfortunately. I’ll give street view a try though. Thank you!
👏👏👏👏Nice Ride!! Great Team!!
Thanks brother!
F ya! ❤ this! Ideal homie bike hang day
Heck yeah!
How much does the raleigh weigh? I was out on my midnight special on the w & od and it was kinda feeling heavy. Do i just gotta build up my strength or do steel bikes just have a slower vibe?
No idea / but the Raleigh should be comparable to a Midnight Special. Yeah - it’s you not the bike. Think of everything in the system - we are most of the weight. The bike is a small percentage.
I don’t worry one bit about what my bike weighs even when I load it with supplies (beer). 😎
Again, I love the trippy, wide angle, image stabilized Go Pro work . Do I need to spend $549.00 to get that? Then again, that's what you do, isn't it? sooo.. Love how you all seem to be pretty tight. Riding with people you know well is everything. (predictable). I vote gravel bikes all the way for your 100 mile +/- or so forays. Idea: You could, however, designate a "steward", The guy at 3:14 with the panniers, have him carry the french cooking , oh, but the beer is too much weight, they'd say. So do wine. So fund him. Pros: much less time wasted . Cons: you don't get the ambience of stopping at some cool brewery. Possible mosquito swatting. No A/C and smiling waitress. It all boils down to speed and mileage , everyone always immediately thinks. No, it's about culture, fun, love , and above all, *safety. Save the huge bags for when you're 73 and slow AF. Onward .
The GoPro 11 is $400 right now - not chump change but in the camera world not that expensive. Personally I don’t think it’s worth saving a bit of money to get something it not as good…
I guess I don’t really care about camp cooking enough to haul(or have someone haul) that kind of gear. A camp stove and dehydrated meal will get me by.
Timing beer runs and food pick ups close to camp is preferred but this summers trips may make that not an option. Just another chance to learn more and try something different.
@@TimFitzwater a Trangia stove would fire up in seconds , assuming we all want a hot gourmet meal. Or just pass out pre-made burritos . If you go on a group ride, and don't like those, you should be banned. Everyone, including grandma, and even my mom, eats chips and salsa. Then there's the "Road-Rescue Burrito" . Guy at 3:14 be like... "dude yer bonkin'!!!! We gotcha! here wail this!." (passes it out with left hand pass) That would be more like a ride here in CT where there is far more carpet fiber Phred-Poser activity . I assume you have clients here . Just for fun, google the AMC Glastonbury Hills ride in October . Lots of climbing ,100 Miler . You do have to pay a fee for that ride , yes they have stations , massage , group Gestalt Therapy...Do y'all have the right stuff?
whats you average touring bike weight? you or youre friends if you had to guess and put a number on it. loaded/unloaded. just trying to get a practical basis.
To be honest I don’t know. I try to go as minimal as possible but I also want to be comfortable so don’t let the numbers consume me or affect my decisions.
(I mean - I carry a camp chair because I need back support at the fire)
It’s worth remembering that even a loaded bike isn’t as heavy as we are - the bike is still just a percentage of the system.
I will always ride steel bikes with the things I need.
I just got home from a 30 mile ride at an average of 15mph with two full 16 oz beers in my bag - don’t sweat the numbers - just have fun.
my Trek 520 weighed 75 lbs on my last weekend camp trip. That's everything, including food and water bottles.
I’m guessing I travel a bit lighter than that. I’ll have to weigh it next time I load it up.
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To much talking for myself
Too much commenting for myself.