I am legitimately blown away by how much speaking time he has. The previous first place was Ruby at 8 minutes. IRONWOOD HAS 10 MORE MINUTES OF TALKING THAN THAT. Big props to his voice actor Jason Rose for doing so much work this volume.
As someone who is in the know more than Ruby, a lot of his lines would go to exposition and planning but it’s pretty crazy how much more time he has than Ruby. Ironwood was the best in Season 7.
Ah yes a compilation of General Ironchad, otherwise known as James "If it can crawl, it can brawl" Ironwood James "Age on the clock, you get the Glock" Ironwood James "Under-eighteen exterminator" Ironwood James "Six years old and six feet under" Ironwood James "tenth trimester abortion" Ironwood James "Mind your minor" Ironwood James "Youth Euthenizer" Ironwood.
@@susanao9823 yeah true but I'd love some Brutality in the show. Like in V3 towards the end when it was all falling apart was peak rwby (imo). If we get a volume where the characters are tested and lose everything I think it would he fantastic. For example if ruby lost and eye to cinder, oscar got captured, emerald had an internal conflict about what's right vs. Being loyal to cinder, character deaths that affect every hero and cause friction between them. I'd watch the shit out of that!
Pretty much, team rwby is a bunch of idiots who’ve lost half their character (like please tell me when was the last time you saw Ruby or Blake actually half something to do that made them feel like characters), but their main protagonist juice is gonna say screw you to Ironwood’s reasoning, and then there’s Qrow blaming Ironwood when he thought it was a good idea to team with the serial killer
Rewatching the first sequences of this volume where he appeared hurts me. He looked so genuine in his happiness when he saw new allies arrive, and ready to trust them fully. Then, Ruby fucked up and decided he wasn't trust worthy. And it spiraled down from there.
You know the thing that grinds my gears is that there was a way for ironwood to be redeemed(kinda). The writers said ironwood had a semblance called mettle which is basically a semblance equivalent to a mental illness and it is passive like qrow's. So when his aura broke he should've come to his senses and realized he was wrong and sacrificed his life to stall cinder and as a final goodbye to winter and ask her to tell everyone he was sorry
@@dasherplayz4471 dang that sounds good. Maybe they did do that after he fought Winter and lost. Which explains why he didn’t shoot Salem but accept defeat
I'm gonna miss ironwood when he dies. He was my favorite during his first appearance, its a shame with how things are heading deeper down the rabbit hole.
And speaks far longer than Blake and Yang! Who were reduced to nothing more than background fanservice as CRWBY tried to push the BB ship, hard. I believe 2:47 and 2:46 respectively, compared to Ironwood's 18:16.
Before Volume 7 I did not understand why so many people were simping for him but then I saw that beard and I was like “Oh....I could work with this.” And then I finished Volume 7 and I was like “IRONDADDY ALL THE WAY” (But I’m still pretty conflicted ngl)
I kind of disagree with him being in the wrong, he was the only one with a plan. Everyone kept him in the dark or stabbed him in the back because they thought they had the moral high ground but they didn’t have a plan.
@@BeczaBot Regardless of what happened, he gave into fear, which is exactly what Salem wanted him to do. His refusal to believe that someone might know more than him is causing him to ignore that fact, and more and more he continues falling into Salem's trap.
@@ImStrange_ no hes right ruby and the kids are written so poorly his point of view is far better than theirs and forget the head cannon of salem when the story was already setup so poorly that justification doesnt matter
@@BeczaBot it got worse when we learn that his semblance is passive so uhh he literally cant control what he hyperfocuses on so...that's nice...It just feels wrong that someone with the same kind of passive state of their semblance like Qrow is treated with nuance and sympathy while Ironwood is treated like a villain. I am in no way condoning his actions but the situation changes when it isn't entirely his convictions and turns out to be intention paired with uncontrollable mental effects from a semblance.
Damn! He did have more lines than Ruby. Ironwood really did grow A LOT during this season and I am a little angst and excited to see what he’ll do next season. Credits to his voice actor for doing a very powerful job 👍🏻
I think ironwood semblance should have been like a hyper focus mode or like a ultra instinct type mode where he processes information much faster and able to enter like a zone of fighting sorta like your main character in action hero movie
@@madrose26 yeah goodness sake lol i wish they displayed it a bit more in a badass way rather than Ironwood being villainified cause he has autism in his choices lol
@@devo1246 they didn't really try that hard to talk him down though they lied to him, revealed his secrets, and sabotaged his plans then act like he's untrustworthy
Watching this you can LITERALLY SEE how he is slowly spiraling into madness and becoming emotionally unavailable unless it comes to anger and it really hurts to watch as someone who’s loved him from the moment he was introduced. He had such good intentions that became misguided. Every time he was told another secret he seemed like he was trying so hard to wrap his head around it and fit it with what he already knew, and things just kept coming, I think even I would lose it at some point if that was happening to me. It’s like he kept trying to make a plan and team RWBY would just fuck him over by telling him some more shit. 😭 sorry this turned out long
Ironwood was put into a nearly impossible to win scenario, the absolute definition of a rock and a hard place, and had no real support system. Ad that betrayal after betrayal, perceived or otherwise, and you can see the logic in every action he takes, and see how it's all driven him mad.
There’s a pattern with Ironwood. In Volume 4, he keeps offering help and trying to support the survivors of Beacon but no one wants it and people blame him. Underneath he was really emotionally damaged. Then he became a little unhinged in Volume 4 because no one wanted to help HIM. Then we see him again and he’s still trying to give people things, but now he’s doing the same thing he did at Beacon, giving people protection by force, he still offers lots of help but... people still blame him. Eventually he becomes unhinged again, mainly because no one has really sat him down and had a good loving talk with him. But that’s all because he’s pretty damaged. He’s a very sad man. Probably could have avoided all this by just giving him a big hug and telling him that he should enjoy what he has now. Forget what was lost, what will be lost. XD he’s basically just a sad Dog.
Her goal is the relics but her plan to get them has always been to divide humanity. Abandoning Mantle and lifting Atlas is creating division, giving Salem the opportunity for "divide and conquer"
@@ImStrange_ Admitly true and I admit this goes against his previous speech on uniting together and fighting her, but that being said everyone dieing also helps Salem's goal, I mean from a pure tactical view you can't hold Manttle, not long enough for reinforcements.
Does Salem have any tactical reason to strike at mantle, the artifacts were in Atlas, if he lifted Atlas would Salem have any strategic reason to kill mantle
Oh my god it’s so fucking annoying every time ironwood starts going into another panic attack state and fucking everyone else just stands there and just does nothing like the hell! They make it worse for him by not doing anything!
@@LordOfRaven621 Yep cause the reassurance of a teenager is gonna help the paranoid military general It's not their responsibility to fix his paranoia btw Oh and btw... They do help him. They do try to help him when he has a panic attack. He doesn't accept it.
@goldsrc1678 any sort of comfort could help. It's doesn't really matter how old the person who is comforting you it's the thought of just knowing you have someone their trying to help you can make things a bit better.
Looking back on it, people saying Ironwood is wrong for putting 50% of the population at risk while praising RWBY for putting 100% of the population at risk is hilarious. There's literally no right or wrong answer, both plans are terrible because it's a terrible situation to be put in. If Atlas was the Titanic and Salem is the iceberg, Ironwood wants to prioritize the women and children in the life boats but RWBY wants the entire ship on them. Either way, people were going to die and RWBY would've had the most blood on their hands. Really hate how CRWBY had to bend and twist the story to be black-and-white. "It's a story of right and wrong told by people who exclusively believe they're right all the time"
Ironwood was not just putting people at risk- he was straight up leaving those people to die. It was not a "maybe they'll be okay" situation. RWBY's plan would have had zero casualties if Cinder hadn't used the lamp to learn what they were doing. The plan itself had very minimal risk. They are not comparable plans.
@imstrange7909 How did Cinder get the lamp again? Genuinely forgot and can't look into it at the moment. Edit: I also don't remember what Ruby's plan was once they got everyone on board with the idea of gathering Atlas and Mantle. If you can, before I get the free time to look it up, what was the plan once they were all together? I ALSO don't fully remember Cinder's operation in the background. I suck. But from the sound of it, the success of Ruby's plan hinges on CRWBY taking Cinder and Neo out of the show because if what I vaguely remember is on track, Cinder and Neo were actively playing a part that guaranteed, regardless of whose side you're on, people were going to die, with the only difference being percentages. If Cinder and Neo weren't in the show to cause Ironwood to freak out in V7 with the chess piece I'm sure we would've gotten a completely different volume where everybody would've compromised and come together for a plan lol. I need to rewatch the series for a refresh 😭
@@Spitfire_94 Neo stole the lamp from Salem and gave it to Cinder. If they hadn't used the lamp, Ruby's plan would have it worked. Their plan was to take the staff of creation and create portals leading into Vacuo for a mass evacuation of Atlas and Mantle. The bad guys had no way of knowing about it without the lamp.
@@thomasraines1396 thats actually far worse. I also hate that Qrow's semblance is bad luck. I actually I hate the fact that magic is like "wtf you can produce fire outta your hands?! YOU MUST BE A FREAK OF NATURE!", in a world where a kid with a trumpet can clone himself or a Corgi that can be used as a projectile weapon
@@wampaisen yeah that’s pretty dumb, the “magic” of the series is really only different superficially, some of the jagoffs have reality altering type shit. The only thing I can think of to excuse it is sort of like Hermione from Harry Potter in that despite being around fantastical and magical things she still needs it to be able to backed up by legitimate facts.
@@goldsrc1678 But even so, he practically spoiled them rotten. Gave them free upgrades to their gear, gave Yang a free prosthetic limb, stood up for Weiss at the party, just to name a few things. He did so much for them and they stabbed him in the back.
@@KitsuneYojimbo Someone giving you stuff doesn't make them instantly trustworthy, it just shows they either 1. Are trying to get you on their good side (potentially malicious) 2. Are genuinely a good person (Ironwood is this one) Unfortunately being a genuinely good person who wants to help and protect people doesn't remove the fact that he's paranoid as fuck.
It's not paranoia if the threat is real. Almost all Ironwood's bad calls were good on paper, and went wrong because of someone else withholding info from him or a unique Semblance. He literally explained his entire plan to Ruby & others. The closed borders would've kept out Team Salem infiltrate or if not for Watts and Neo being among them. The Dust embargo was to stockpile ammo for the inevitable panic after Salem is revealed. The Amity project must be Top Secret so Team Salem don't sabotage it.
This season just focused on Ironwood's development more because he hasn't been around but in all seriousness the main cast has had some major character development from when they originally started it's just more drawn out over the series while Ironwood's development mostly acured in volume 7
@@christianfaux736 no they had a lot of development over the seasons Ruby is no longer a hyper child that's gets excited by new weapons nor does she believe that everything work itself out she's grown into a young Huntress that understands you can't always win and regardless of what you do people will always die yet she remains optimistic of finding a way to try and save everyone and comes up with some really ingenious plans that others don't consider. Weiss is no longer the Ice Queen she once was nor does she try assert herself as the best on her team she no longer cares about meaningless titles and has learned to understand both sides of the story to better understand people and she's no longer prejudice towards faunus. Blake is no longer closed off and emotionally distant she talks to her friends and actually listens to their advice and doesn't try to handle everything by herself like she used to and she no longer runs away if things become to difficult. Yang was originally an obnoxious party girl that wanted to have fun and thought being a Huntress meant she could just have a carefree life of crazy adventures but now she wants to do everything she can to protect people, she refuses to abandon anyone no matter how dangerous it be to try and rescue someone, and she no longer thinks she's invincible because of her semblance so she more cautious in battle and tries not to give into her anger to win.
I forgive them cause he required a lot more development since he hasn't been in every volume like they have. This volume was focused on him and how our various main cast react to him in their own ways, I feel.
I hate what they did to my favorite character. Ironwood is the reason I started watching rwby. They turned him into a contrived stereotypical villain for no reason
Iornwood- "I sincerely regret how you were treated by my team" Me- yeah we'll see about that. I just realized when team rwby and the others, when the met up with Iornwood, he told many lies
That was such a shame for me because of how OOC I found that action. As far as I'm concerned, that was the same level of cheap manipulation as TLOU 2 resorted to with that one specific dog in an attempt to demonise Ellie. The only reason for CRWBY to have Ironwood shoot Oscar in my mind is to just get people mad at him and disregard the arguments he was making. That was one of the most disappointing V7 moments for me.
@@jacksimpson9186 Definitely not out of his character. "I will do whatever it takes to stop her" right? He saw Oscar as an obstacle and "removed it". He has lost his humanity.
@@ImStrange_ Disagreeing with you there, there was almost no build up to him being the kind of person who shoots children, even in V7. How have we seen Ironwood treat allies in every appearance prior to, and even a couple of them IN, V7? He flips around his gun, even when Qrow is jumping at him with Scythe bared (seemingly) trying to attack him. Sends Yang a Cybernetic replacement arm in V4, despite being under zero obligation to do so. Stands up for Weiss at the fundraiser when she calls out the Atlesian elite for not really being concerned with Vale. Hugs Qrow in V7 when he sees him again. Greets Oscar kindly, and confides in him his worries several times over the course of V7. Even when RWBY declares clear intent to stand against him and his plans, he orders their nonlethal arrest, not immediate execution Now, I'm not saying that he couldn't eventually be turned INTO the type of character to just go around shooting anyone who disagrees with him, but that switch was not done well at all in my opnion. It's so utterly jarring to see him pull out a pistol and shoot this kid who's trying to reason with him that "He lost his Humanity" is just not cutting it as an explanation. I can't see that scene as anything other than cheap emotional manipulation and an OOC moment for him to solidify his new Antagonistic position, because the build-up to that scene was not executed well.
@@jacksimpson9186 There are theories that at this point he doesn't view Oscar as Oscar, but as Oz, so instead of seeing a child he sees a manipulator whose own agents have spoiled his plans. Therefore him shooting "Ozcar" was his way of ending their relationship and his part in Oz's group.
A lot of people seem to miss that Ironwood is the one who turned on Team RWBY, using their previous (generally well-meaning) lies as reasons to not trust them to help with anything (not even very immediate issues like Cinder) or to hear out any of their suggestions. He just snaps and follows his old self-righteous tic. Oh, and blames THEM for Salem's arrival. It really doesn't matter if he helped upgrade your gear when he suddenly shuts you out even when you want to help, MANGAKAMEN.
9:00 The phrasing of this line is interesting. Like Ironwood has personal experience dealing with an outside influence on your mind. The show definitely suffered for not fully explaining his semblance, but I think this is a pretty good indication of how Ironwood feels about having it.
I am legitimately blown away by how much speaking time he has. The previous first place was Ruby at 8 minutes. IRONWOOD HAS 10 MORE MINUTES OF TALKING THAN THAT. Big props to his voice actor Jason Rose for doing so much work this volume.
As someone who is in the know more than Ruby, a lot of his lines would go to exposition and planning but it’s pretty crazy how much more time he has than Ruby. Ironwood was the best in Season 7.
Ironwood's voice has some ASMR qualities ngl
Facts
Ironwood is Bae
Ah yes a compilation of General Ironchad, otherwise known as
James "If it can crawl, it can brawl" Ironwood
James "Age on the clock, you get the Glock" Ironwood
James "Under-eighteen exterminator" Ironwood
James "Six years old and six feet under" Ironwood
James "tenth trimester abortion" Ironwood
James "Mind your minor" Ironwood
James "Youth Euthenizer" Ironwood.
James "you must be this tall to live" Ironwood
I laughed too hard at those jokes to be qualified as a sane human person
This deserves more likes
"Uhmm... well then...
enjoy the cake"
I can't help but love akward characters
That pained me catching up on the show, because I knew what the future episodes were and what happened. Poor Ironwood.
I love how he basically admitted he didn’t have anything else to say with his line of “that’s all the pomp I have in me”.
"Your speech outros are improving, sir!"
Ironwood is the true protagonist
Yeah I really hope he wins volume 8
@@harper2k Same here but I really think he is gonna die or get really injured to Qrow cause you know
C l o v e r
@@susanao9823 yeah true but I'd love some Brutality in the show. Like in V3 towards the end when it was all falling apart was peak rwby (imo). If we get a volume where the characters are tested and lose everything I think it would he fantastic. For example if ruby lost and eye to cinder, oscar got captured, emerald had an internal conflict about what's right vs. Being loyal to cinder, character deaths that affect every hero and cause friction between them. I'd watch the shit out of that!
@@harper2k I agree much that's why I think volume 8 is going to be the new volume 3 neo is probably gonna die by realizing the truth about Cinder
Pretty much, team rwby is a bunch of idiots who’ve lost half their character (like please tell me when was the last time you saw Ruby or Blake actually half something to do that made them feel like characters), but their main protagonist juice is gonna say screw you to Ironwood’s reasoning, and then there’s Qrow blaming Ironwood when he thought it was a good idea to team with the serial killer
Rewatching the first sequences of this volume where he appeared hurts me. He looked so genuine in his happiness when he saw new allies arrive, and ready to trust them fully.
Then, Ruby fucked up and decided he wasn't trust worthy. And it spiraled down from there.
You know the thing that grinds my gears is that there was a way for ironwood to be redeemed(kinda).
The writers said ironwood had a semblance called mettle which is basically a semblance equivalent to a mental illness and it is passive like qrow's.
So when his aura broke he should've come to his senses and realized he was wrong and sacrificed his life to stall cinder and as a final goodbye to winter and ask her to tell everyone he was sorry
No Ruby was looking for reasons to trust Ironwood and she found them.
@@dasherplayz4471 dang that sounds good. Maybe they did do that after he fought Winter and lost. Which explains why he didn’t shoot Salem but accept defeat
@@superboyx2837 but the thing is, ironwood already is very strong willed and he should've shot Salem. Just like a last fuck you
@@dasherplayz4471 Qrow's bad luck still kicked in even after his aura broke though
I'm gonna miss ironwood when he dies.
He was my favorite during his first appearance, its a shame with how things are heading deeper down the rabbit hole.
Nah he dead like for reals I think
I like Ironwood, but he speaks for more than twice as long as the main protagonist does (Ruby)
He has big robotic lungs, it makes sense.
I don't see the issue here, he carried this Volume
Good.
It’s not that he speaks more than Ruby, it’s more that Ruby solely exists to further the plot now XD
And speaks far longer than Blake and Yang! Who were reduced to nothing more than background fanservice as CRWBY tried to push the BB ship, hard.
I believe 2:47 and 2:46 respectively, compared to Ironwood's 18:16.
Ironwood may take things too far, but he’s a top tier RWBY character
We love our morally gray king 👑
As a general, two seats of the council and a headmaster, he’s awfully patient
Ironwood shoots Oscar : *Jason Derulo’s Whatcha Say begins to play*
Before Volume 7 I did not understand why so many people were simping for him but then I saw that beard and I was like “Oh....I could work with this.” And then I finished Volume 7 and I was like “IRONDADDY ALL THE WAY”
(But I’m still pretty conflicted ngl)
He's definitely in the wrong at the end of the volume but he's still a great character.
I kind of disagree with him being in the wrong, he was the only one with a plan. Everyone kept him in the dark or stabbed him in the back because they thought they had the moral high ground but they didn’t have a plan.
@@BeczaBot Regardless of what happened, he gave into fear, which is exactly what Salem wanted him to do. His refusal to believe that someone might know more than him is causing him to ignore that fact, and more and more he continues falling into Salem's trap.
@@ImStrange_ no hes right ruby and the kids are written so poorly his point of view is far better than theirs and forget the head cannon of salem when the story was already setup so poorly that justification doesnt matter
@@BeczaBot it got worse when we learn that his semblance is passive so uhh he literally cant control what he hyperfocuses on so...that's nice...It just feels wrong that someone with the same kind of passive state of their semblance like Qrow is treated with nuance and sympathy while Ironwood is treated like a villain. I am in no way condoning his actions but the situation changes when it isn't entirely his convictions and turns out to be intention paired with uncontrollable mental effects from a semblance.
I know Ironwood is saying "Qrow" but I can't stop hearing "Bro"
3:42
3:51
*b r o -*
Nah I heard qrow
Bro is all I hear now
I would let ironwood shoot me
IRONWOOD SIMP
“The way he cocks his gun”
@@RonquixoteDIII I-
Inside or Outside???
@@minshookie427 No.
Damn! He did have more lines than Ruby. Ironwood really did grow A LOT during this season and I am a little angst and excited to see what he’ll do next season. Credits to his voice actor for doing a very powerful job 👍🏻
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Point of fact. Team R/W/BY's sum total speaking lines combined comes to about 20 mins for V7.
Ironwood's lines come up to just over 18 minutes!
18 MINUTES-?
true speaking mvp of this volume
I really wished Ruby had told Ironwood the truth, maybe it could've prevented what happened in 8
Ironchad
I think ironwood semblance should have been like a hyper focus mode or like a ultra instinct type mode where he processes information much faster and able to enter like a zone of fighting sorta like your main character in action hero movie
It's kinda that just a little different
If it was that, then nothing this volume would be happening, because he'd be able to be talked down.
Hello I come from the future to say that it is indeed that and was used pretty poorly :,)
@@madrose26 yeah goodness sake lol i wish they displayed it a bit more in a badass way rather than Ironwood being villainified cause he has autism in his choices lol
@@devo1246 they didn't really try that hard to talk him down though they lied to him, revealed his secrets, and sabotaged his plans then act like he's untrustworthy
Damn it, I simp for ironwood more than winter...
thanks for making a compilation of the best parts of season 7
I stand with Ironwood.
He is the only one who should have talked this season, also the next season... and any season after that.
9:46 That laugh.....so precious
Okay Ironwood lets go
Watching this you can LITERALLY SEE how he is slowly spiraling into madness and becoming emotionally unavailable unless it comes to anger and it really hurts to watch as someone who’s loved him from the moment he was introduced. He had such good intentions that became misguided. Every time he was told another secret he seemed like he was trying so hard to wrap his head around it and fit it with what he already knew, and things just kept coming, I think even I would lose it at some point if that was happening to me. It’s like he kept trying to make a plan and team RWBY would just fuck him over by telling him some more shit. 😭 sorry this turned out long
Ironwood was put into a nearly impossible to win scenario, the absolute definition of a rock and a hard place, and had no real support system. Ad that betrayal after betrayal, perceived or otherwise, and you can see the logic in every action he takes, and see how it's all driven him mad.
Love and hate that you can see him driving himself insane in real time. Very compelling and sad.
*TRUST*
There’s a pattern with Ironwood.
In Volume 4, he keeps offering help and trying to support the survivors of Beacon but no one wants it and people blame him. Underneath he was really emotionally damaged.
Then he became a little unhinged in Volume 4 because no one wanted to help HIM.
Then we see him again and he’s still trying to give people things, but now he’s doing the same thing he did at Beacon, giving people protection by force, he still offers lots of help but... people still blame him. Eventually he becomes unhinged again, mainly because no one has really sat him down and had a good loving talk with him.
But that’s all because he’s pretty damaged. He’s a very sad man.
Probably could have avoided all this by just giving him a big hug and telling him that he should enjoy what he has now.
Forget what was lost, what will be lost.
XD he’s basically just a sad Dog.
Ironwood has the fastest hand in the west
I find it hilarious that the previously supporting character has 10 more minutes of talk time than the main protagonist.
And the writers really had to make him look bad just to keep Rwby in the right
I feel bad for Ironwood but he could've done bette. I would do the same thing if I was in the same spot, ngl.
I probably wouldn't ditch thousands of people, especially when it seems so clear that's what Salem wants me to do.
Her goal is the relics but her plan to get them has always been to divide humanity. Abandoning Mantle and lifting Atlas is creating division, giving Salem the opportunity for "divide and conquer"
@@ImStrange_ Admitly true and I admit this goes against his previous speech on uniting together and fighting her, but that being said everyone dieing also helps Salem's goal, I mean from a pure tactical view you can't hold Manttle, not long enough for reinforcements.
Does Salem have any tactical reason to strike at mantle, the artifacts were in Atlas, if he lifted Atlas would Salem have any strategic reason to kill mantle
@@cutlery2283 Not really, no.
Oh my god it’s so fucking annoying every time ironwood starts going into another panic attack state and fucking everyone else just stands there and just does nothing like the hell! They make it worse for him by not doing anything!
TF are they supposed to do? They're not therapists.
@goldsrc1678 i don't know say something like "Look man we will get through this don't worry" like any normal person would do!
@@LordOfRaven621 Yep cause the reassurance of a teenager is gonna help the paranoid military general
It's not their responsibility to fix his paranoia btw
Oh and btw... They do help him. They do try to help him when he has a panic attack. He doesn't accept it.
@goldsrc1678 any sort of comfort could help. It's doesn't really matter how old the person who is comforting you it's the thought of just knowing you have someone their trying to help you can make things a bit better.
@@LordOfRaven621 You know that's what they did, right? They tried to encourage him while he had a panic attack.
One of the most incredible videos
Looking back on it, people saying Ironwood is wrong for putting 50% of the population at risk while praising RWBY for putting 100% of the population at risk is hilarious.
There's literally no right or wrong answer, both plans are terrible because it's a terrible situation to be put in.
If Atlas was the Titanic and Salem is the iceberg, Ironwood wants to prioritize the women and children in the life boats but RWBY wants the entire ship on them.
Either way, people were going to die and RWBY would've had the most blood on their hands.
Really hate how CRWBY had to bend and twist the story to be black-and-white.
"It's a story of right and wrong told by people who exclusively believe they're right all the time"
Ironwood was not just putting people at risk- he was straight up leaving those people to die. It was not a "maybe they'll be okay" situation. RWBY's plan would have had zero casualties if Cinder hadn't used the lamp to learn what they were doing. The plan itself had very minimal risk.
They are not comparable plans.
@imstrange7909 How did Cinder get the lamp again? Genuinely forgot and can't look into it at the moment.
Edit: I also don't remember what Ruby's plan was once they got everyone on board with the idea of gathering Atlas and Mantle. If you can, before I get the free time to look it up, what was the plan once they were all together?
I ALSO don't fully remember Cinder's operation in the background. I suck. But from the sound of it, the success of Ruby's plan hinges on CRWBY taking Cinder and Neo out of the show because if what I vaguely remember is on track, Cinder and Neo were actively playing a part that guaranteed, regardless of whose side you're on, people were going to die, with the only difference being percentages. If Cinder and Neo weren't in the show to cause Ironwood to freak out in V7 with the chess piece I'm sure we would've gotten a completely different volume where everybody would've compromised and come together for a plan lol.
I need to rewatch the series for a refresh 😭
@@Spitfire_94 Neo stole the lamp from Salem and gave it to Cinder. If they hadn't used the lamp, Ruby's plan would have it worked. Their plan was to take the staff of creation and create portals leading into Vacuo for a mass evacuation of Atlas and Mantle. The bad guys had no way of knowing about it without the lamp.
Was hoping it ended with Oscar getting shot
5:32 PENNY! CALM DOWN!
i cant believe how dumb his semblance was
I can’t believe it was never talked about or shown in the show and we only learned about it through a live stream.
@@thomasraines1396 thats actually far worse. I also hate that Qrow's semblance is bad luck. I actually I hate the fact that magic is like "wtf you can produce fire outta your hands?! YOU MUST BE A FREAK OF NATURE!", in a world where a kid with a trumpet can clone himself or a Corgi that can be used as a projectile weapon
@@wampaisen yeah that’s pretty dumb, the “magic” of the series is really only different superficially, some of the jagoffs have reality altering type shit. The only thing I can think of to excuse it is sort of like Hermione from Harry Potter in that despite being around fantastical and magical things she still needs it to be able to backed up by legitimate facts.
Ironwood gave them no reason to distrust him and they still stabbed him in the back
His blatant paranoia is reason enough not to trust him.
@@goldsrc1678 But even so, he practically spoiled them rotten. Gave them free upgrades to their gear, gave Yang a free prosthetic limb, stood up for Weiss at the party, just to name a few things. He did so much for them and they stabbed him in the back.
@@KitsuneYojimbo Someone giving you stuff doesn't make them instantly trustworthy, it just shows they either
1. Are trying to get you on their good side (potentially malicious)
2. Are genuinely a good person (Ironwood is this one)
Unfortunately being a genuinely good person who wants to help and protect people doesn't remove the fact that he's paranoid as fuck.
It's not paranoia if the threat is real.
Almost all Ironwood's bad calls were good on paper, and went wrong because of someone else withholding info from him or a unique Semblance.
He literally explained his entire plan to Ruby & others. The closed borders would've kept out Team Salem infiltrate or if not for Watts and Neo being among them. The Dust embargo was to stockpile ammo for the inevitable panic after Salem is revealed. The Amity project must be Top Secret so Team Salem don't sabotage it.
Why the hell ironwood getting more development than the main characters
This season just focused on Ironwood's development more because he hasn't been around but in all seriousness the main cast has had some major character development from when they originally started it's just more drawn out over the series while Ironwood's development mostly acured in volume 7
Yeah, ironwood definitely has more development than the main 4 did in seasons 1-4, and also 5 and 6.
@@christianfaux736 no they had a lot of development over the seasons Ruby is no longer a hyper child that's gets excited by new weapons nor does she believe that everything work itself out she's grown into a young Huntress that understands you can't always win and regardless of what you do people will always die yet she remains optimistic of finding a way to try and save everyone and comes up with some really ingenious plans that others don't consider.
Weiss is no longer the Ice Queen she once was nor does she try assert herself as the best on her team she no longer cares about meaningless titles and has learned to understand both sides of the story to better understand people and she's no longer prejudice towards faunus.
Blake is no longer closed off and emotionally distant she talks to her friends and actually listens to their advice and doesn't try to handle everything by herself like she used to and she no longer runs away if things become to difficult.
Yang was originally an obnoxious party girl that wanted to have fun and thought being a Huntress meant she could just have a carefree life of crazy adventures but now she wants to do everything she can to protect people, she refuses to abandon anyone no matter how dangerous it be to try and rescue someone, and she no longer thinks she's invincible because of her semblance so she more cautious in battle and tries not to give into her anger to win.
ugh i love his voice, got me questioning my sexuality & stuff 🙄
I wish they kept first half of volume 7 Ironwood for volume 8.
Not that I'm complaining, but having twice the length of dialogue compared to our main protagonist, Ruby, is slightly... troubling?
I forgive them cause he required a lot more development since he hasn't been in every volume like they have. This volume was focused on him and how our various main cast react to him in their own ways, I feel.
@@ImStrange_ yep you called it
I hate what they did to my favorite character. Ironwood is the reason I started watching rwby. They turned him into a contrived stereotypical villain for no reason
@I'mStrange Can you do a reaction compilation to Adam's face reveal in Volume 6?
Not right away but it's on my list!
I wish I have a voice like his.
Are you going to do a tribute for Clover since he’s not going to come here in the next volume?
Tbh I'm not sure if I'll have enough time but I can try
out of curiosity why do you care about clover he was such a minor character and barely knew before he died?
@@kdastronaut171 He was the main character in volume seven and he brought out the positivity in Qrow
Ironwood did nothing wrong
"I'm tired of other peoples inability to see the big picture get in the way" that's such an ironic line given what we now know about him
ironwood: Obey or Die
Eren: funny
I'm late as hell to the party but y'all...
Both RWBY and Irondaddy's plans were terrible AF. Thank you for reading my mini-rant. Have a nice day.
His song HERO really doesn't fit anymore huh
It still fits cause it's basically about his delusion that he's a hero cause he does "what he has to do"
@@ImStrange_ good point, but it doesn't really fit the word hero the right way..but I presume that's the point
@@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2 His heart is in the right place or it would be if he didn't throw it away along with his humanity.
Do you think it would fits team RWBY?
Since he's basically based off on the Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz he basically became heartless
I arrived firstB)
Iornwood- "I sincerely regret how you were treated by my team"
Me- yeah we'll see about that.
I just realized when team rwby and the others, when the met up with Iornwood, he told many lies
What were the lies?
And RWBY didn't?
He shot best boy unacceptable!!!
That was such a shame for me because of how OOC I found that action.
As far as I'm concerned, that was the same level of cheap manipulation as TLOU 2 resorted to with that one specific dog in an attempt to demonise Ellie.
The only reason for CRWBY to have Ironwood shoot Oscar in my mind is to just get people mad at him and disregard the arguments he was making.
That was one of the most disappointing V7 moments for me.
@@jacksimpson9186 Definitely not out of his character. "I will do whatever it takes to stop her" right? He saw Oscar as an obstacle and "removed it". He has lost his humanity.
@@ImStrange_ Disagreeing with you there, there was almost no build up to him being the kind of person who shoots children, even in V7.
How have we seen Ironwood treat allies in every appearance prior to, and even a couple of them IN, V7?
He flips around his gun, even when Qrow is jumping at him with Scythe bared (seemingly) trying to attack him.
Sends Yang a Cybernetic replacement arm in V4, despite being under zero obligation to do so.
Stands up for Weiss at the fundraiser when she calls out the Atlesian elite for not really being concerned with Vale.
Hugs Qrow in V7 when he sees him again.
Greets Oscar kindly, and confides in him his worries several times over the course of V7.
Even when RWBY declares clear intent to stand against him and his plans, he orders their nonlethal arrest, not immediate execution
Now, I'm not saying that he couldn't eventually be turned INTO the type of character to just go around shooting anyone who disagrees with him, but that switch was not done well at all in my opnion. It's so utterly jarring to see him pull out a pistol and shoot this kid who's trying to reason with him that "He lost his Humanity" is just not cutting it as an explanation.
I can't see that scene as anything other than cheap emotional manipulation and an OOC moment for him to solidify his new Antagonistic position, because the build-up to that scene was not executed well.
@@jacksimpson9186 There are theories that at this point he doesn't view Oscar as Oscar, but as Oz, so instead of seeing a child he sees a manipulator whose own agents have spoiled his plans. Therefore him shooting "Ozcar" was his way of ending their relationship and his part in Oz's group.
He was a dum dum. He didn't really learn either
A lot of people seem to miss that Ironwood is the one who turned on Team RWBY, using their previous (generally well-meaning) lies as reasons to not trust them to help with anything (not even very immediate issues like Cinder) or to hear out any of their suggestions. He just snaps and follows his old self-righteous tic. Oh, and blames THEM for Salem's arrival.
It really doesn't matter if he helped upgrade your gear when he suddenly shuts you out even when you want to help, MANGAKAMEN.
BOOOOOOO
9:00 The phrasing of this line is interesting. Like Ironwood has personal experience dealing with an outside influence on your mind. The show definitely suffered for not fully explaining his semblance, but I think this is a pretty good indication of how Ironwood feels about having it.