I consider myself lucky that I don't get high from playing slots like some people I know. I always remind people that casinos are a business not a charity. Anything you win is like a loan because the casinos WILL get ALL of their money back plus interest. You are not playing the machines, the machines are playing you.
Most people don't realize when they win a jack pot it's just the money they spent over the years if not only half back there actually walking away even from all those years
To Eric Harvey-- I'm not going to go into politics here, or how the government has treated native Americans. That's not what this video or my tips and comments are for. I just wanted to help people understand how stacked the deck is against them and the difference between rules and practices at Indian-run casinos vs. corporate run facilities in Atlantic City, Biloxi, Vegas, etc. And there IS a major difference. End of discussion for me. As I said, anyone can do additional research on this and independently verify what I'm saying about slot payouts.
John LaRosa i wish you would make another video discussing Class II slots vs RNG. some people are totally oblivious to the fact that tribal slots are basically pull tab readers! nothing random about them....
John LaRosa you Right?? I'm play for 22 years in wa. State i los all ready over $812900 .00 thousand dollars I'm Brock and casinos stilling every peoples money ????? Wy???
You are full of shit. Indian casinos usually have a higher payout than the government ones. have played in many casinos in the USA and truthfully I never won anything in Biloxi, Las Vegas, New Orleans. I have won in the Indian casinos in North Dakota and Minnesota. In Canada, Indian casinos percentage is 90% and the government ran is 85.
You are ABSOLUTELY Right!! Their slot machines always almost very very tight!! And not consistent!! When it pays bonus or something once in a blue moon , you better cash out and walk out of that machine quick!! I Know it from an experience believe me!! The WINSTAR CASINO IN OKLAHOMA IS A BIGG. RIP-OFF PLACE!! And Every body is complaining left and right!!And especially on the holidays, and weekends you don't wanna go there!! Good luck to you all!!
There are petitions out to legalize gambling. Its just a matter of time. Indian casinos will have competition and experience what Reno is going through
Skip 2 or 3 trips to an indian casino and spend the money on a flight to Las Vegas or Atlantic City. You'll probably still lose but the slots are looser and you can jump from one casino to another, with hundreds of restaurants to choose from. Indian casinos are all stand alone in the middle of nowhere with only a few places to eat . BORING.
Native casinos aren't paying back anywhere near 50%. If you ask players it's really rare to hear of anyone ever winning anything worth mentioning. Few really win anything substantial
Just an FYI... The 88% to 92% payback he refers to is the average of ALL player over time. Statistically, the more you play over a give time the closer you get to these average payback. So! If you walk into any casino with a $100 bucks, chances are you’re only going to play for a short time, which will most likely result in you losing most of your original bankroll. However, if you bing in $1000 bankroll, you’ll be at the machine much longer which allows you to get closer to the averages noted in this video. Most people don’t have $1000 to throw down on a slot, and I highly recommend not doing that. Moral to this story: Slot machines and published paybacks are all about the amount of time you spend on a given machine. But, sometimes you get lucky with a $100.00 bankroll and win some cash. It’s gambling. I personally have limited my gambling based on knowing the statistics and used the cash for vacations, nice dinners, and time with the kids. But your mileage may very.
I disagree about this train of thought, here's why the machines are paid over time the longer you play the less you are going to win . Hit hard fast and run to the exit , never play for the sake of playing. Play to win smart bets and quick hits
I would completely agree. I went to an Indian casino last night and the slots were the tightest I've ever played. It was terrible to play there. You would not win anything. Stay away from Indian casinos. I like to play where the payout percentage is advertised and it's above 90%. Blackhawk, Cripple Creek and Reno are great examples. Indian casinos are a total ripoff. You'll lose considerably more money by gambling at Indian casinos. I had read reviews stating how tight the slots were at that Indian casino and was skeptical about the validity of those reviews. But those reviews were spot on. You're providing sound advice here. I don't get why anyone would ever play slots at any Indian casinos, but for the two in Connecticut that disclose payout rates. Those two casinos have payout rates comparable to other corporate casinos at over 90%. But other than those two Indian casinos, gamble elsewhere with your money. You're likely to lose anywhere. But at casinos with payout rates over 90%, you have a pretty good shot at winning as well. That's not true at Indian casinos. Winning at Indian casinos is an extraordinarily rare experience.
61D-14.038 Percentage Payout and Odds. (1) No slot machine game shall be certified for play by a licensed independent test laboratory if the manufacturer’s Payout and Retention (PAR) sheet does not indicate a probable minimum payout percentage of at least eighty-five percent (85%) of all credits played over the mathematical cycle of the game at a ninety-five percent (95%) level of confidence. The licensed independent test laboratory shall test the slot machine to certify that the slot machine game meets the probable minimum payout indicated on its PAR sheet at a ninety-nine percent (99%) level of confidence. The manufacturer or distributor shall also provide a PAR sheet with each slot machine game delivered to a slot machine licensee. (a) The game’s player return over the cycle of both the bonus and non-bonus part of the game combined shall conform to this minimum theoretical payout to player; (b) The minimum theoretical payout percentage of the game shall be met at all times; (c) The minimum theoretical payout percentage of the game shall be met when playing at the lowest end of a non-linear paytable; and (d) The licensed independent test laboratory shall provide the minimum and maximum theoretical payout percentage within the certification report for each game. Any alteration of a game shall require a re-evaluation of the minimum theoretical payout percentage.
i lived in Northern Michigan near a few Grand Traverse and another tribe casinos. I was told the Indian casino were around 80% compared to 90% for Vegas ones. defintely wasn't 50%. I only played occasionally. I tried to make it back on the free soft drinks.
The Native American casino is not a sustainable economic strategy due to the fact competition from on-line wagering and sports betting will ultimately erode their margins. Also, surrounding communities will begin to understand the damage inflicted in terms of increased crime, drugs and a general decline in morality. The failure of Native Americans to diversify their economies and pursue higher education will ultimately be the demise of many tribes.
There is a federal commission that oversees Indian gaming. I don't go to any casino to make money, I go to win money and to be entertained. I don't see any difference in my gambling experience between the Indian casinos and the ones in Vegas .
Believe me there is a difference Indian Casinos are on Sovereign land. They can do anything they want. I know to many big players that got ripped off at Indian casinos.
There are many other reasons not to play at Indian casinos than what are presented here. Indian casinos are not regulated as intensely as the casinos in Nevada or New Jersey are. They are not required to pay out any given percentage on their slots or any other game and can on a whim deny payment of a jackpot. I had that happen to me at an Indian casino here in California. I found out that a player has little recourse against the Indian casino because you cannot sue them in regular state courts. Indian casinos are almost always located on an Indian reservation and those reservations are considered to be sovereign entities. The only recourse afforded to me was suing the casino in a tribal court operated by the Indian reservation where the casino was located. I don't have to tell anyone how the court ruled after a farcical trial. Yep, I lost.
That is the truth and people need to know this. Indian Casinos can basically do anything they want and get away with it. Sovereign Nation. No lawyer will touch a Indian casino. I know more than a few hardcore players that got ripped off at Indian casinos. Big time! They Absolutely had no recourse or say in the matter.
Smart at a Indian casino is go in with a budget. Get a hit above what you have put in .decide whether to continue to play not going past your limit. But I actually think if you get 2 , 3 or hopefully 5 hundred then get out as fast as you can. Comps are very low so don't chase anything if it comes great don't chase bonuses. Five quick spins keep moving, because you can get more bonuses
Especially, Oklahoma casinos like Winstar and Choctaw. When you get a bonus , leave the machine otherwise machine will take it all back ... 😳😳 When Winstar casino offer you free room, watchout 🤔🤔🤔Their slots are gonna be very tight in those days. 🙁🙁
I understand your POV but also disagree... my local casinos (Hollywood and Ameristar) pay nothing. The most comps I get from them is $10 every 3 days after years of spending thousands. On the other hand, when we visit our OK indian casino, we get free spa rooms, free massages/free salon, $400 food credit, $300 freeplay, and tons of invites to events. I saw 4 grand handpays last time in ONE trip, including $558,000 on a $3 bet on a buffalo machine. When does that ever happen at Ameri/Hollywd??? Never. Plus, the indian casinos have a weekly/monthly/yearly pot that you are always playing in that has to hit at certain levels. The comps, amenities, and extra events/available extra jackpot incentives are so much better IMO, especially when my locals do nothing/win nothing/see nothing.
Tulalip Casino here in WA state wouldnt even comp me a $10 sandwich after winning a $1500 jackpot then losing that and another $3k that day. Fuck indian casinos, they are just using them to stick it back to the white man for taking over all their land
I guess some Indian casinos will give slot players a break. However, in California, it is all one sided and the Indian casinos have a monopoly of sorts. The nearest competitors are in Las Vegas like over 300 miles away. So, they do not care even if their slots are set very tight.
Just left Tampa Hard Rock and I watched handpays everywhere but!! But!! They are betting $4 to $10 a spin. I went in betting $1.50 $2.00 a spin and lost fast and zero jackpots. So basically you can win big but you have to bet big. Anybody who plays slots knows that $7 spins can burn thru 1k in a hour or less. I played Buffalo gold and had zero extra spins in the bonus. Talking 7 bonuses and no extra spins.
I got 36 free spins on a Buffalo slot machine at San Manuel Casino in California. Got the grand sum of $10.00 after 36 spins mind you. So, that is tight as hell. You do not need to be a genius to figure that out.
You are wrong. Tribes have agreements with the state on payback percentages. The lower end may be lower on some machines, but the higher percentages exists as well. Casinos change these odds on a periodic basis, sometimes hourly. If these percentages were universally set low they would be breaking their agreement with the state and let's face it, people wouldn't play. It's not a good business model. The biggest mistake slot players make is staying on a machine that isn't paying, thinking it is "due to hit', which is a myth. If a machine isn't paying, go to another machine that might be paying.
San Manuel Casino in California bought Palms Casino in Las Vegas. Now, they have to put out their payout percentages. I imagine their slots at the Palms would be way looser because other Las Vegas casinos just nearby to compete against them. They cannot pull the crap they do to slot players in California. If they do, slot players have lots of casinos in Las Vegas to play at.
San manuel is absolutely the worst. I used to be a high roller there 7 years ago and have won an estimate of around 1.2 million in slot winnings. Ever since the expansion and the new casino they've purchased I've noticed how tight the slots are. I've stopped going there and everyone I know who goes there always losses. You can take 10 grand with you and play high bet slots and not win anything. I've had way more lucky at chumash. Even tho it's a tribal casino as well , I've had way more luck there. Also I played at the Laughlin casinos and win as well. San manuel just isn't the same anymore. They used to advertise on TV how much it was Californias #1 casino , now they dont pay out jackshit . I think the new expansion , the pandemic , and new casino purchase made them try to recoupe some of that money by programming slots to pay out less and rob people of their money
This isn’t entirely true. The compact between the states and tribes usually. Has a minimum payout of 75%. Also if the casino is to tight people just won’t go.
There are a lot of stupid people and just want to gamble. They figure that going to California Indian casinos is okay because if they were to drive to Las Vegas it is like a 5 hour drive and around 300-400 milles travel time. Not counting the cost of the gas.
I live in Washington we hit the casino 1 or 2 times a month. I won 20 grand last year and didn’t spend nearly that much. The odds are generally better in Vegas or off Rez but my experience in Vegas is never a winning one. Always get my ass kicked
@@toenailclippings2555 I will take Las Vegas over Indian casinos in California. Almost won a grand prize on my birthday trip August of 2021. Never come close when playing at Indian casinos in California. Also, won at Paris, Wynn and MGM Grand small amounts. Indian casinos just take your monies and slots are very tight.
75% payout is pretty low. In Las Vegas, the lowest payouts for slot machines is 85%. Competition also, guarantees that casinos treat their gamblers better. California, all casinos are run by tribal communities. There is a few card club casinos but, with limited Asian type card games.
Our tribal casino here in Oklahoma contributes to our community, state and schools more then you think AND gambling is not a job, it’s entertainment weather you win or lose and that’s at ANY casino (native owned or not)
Was at Las Vegas July 30, 2021-August 1, 2021. Stayed at MGM Grand. Played slots at Wynn, Paris, MGM Grand and comparing it to San Manuel or Morongo in California, Las Vegas casinos are looser. Almost won the grand prize in a slot at MGM Grand on August 1, 2021 on the way back home. Ended up getting the Mini-Jackpot. I had 2 each of Grand Prize, 2 Major Prize, 1 Maxi Prize, 2 Mini, 2 Minor and ended up opening a Mini. A shame as the Grand Prize was $10,000 and I had a times 4 multiplier. That would have been $40,000. Instead, I hit for $20 x 4 or $80. This was a penny slot and I was playing $0.88 a spin.
Also, won small amounts at Wynn and Paris so, this gives me an indication that Las Vegas casinos give you a better deal on the slots. This was on the Las Vegas Strip too.
John, you are 100% correct. I have been an avid slot player for 20 years. Avoid tribal casinos at all costs. I now play online, found 3 solid casinos and win consistently. There are far better alternatives than tribal casinos!
Do you have any suggestions which app to get for casinos. I think I should play online myself since you have better odds of winning. Thanks in advance.
Their is payout requirements but I guarantee they are not meeting them. The payout percentage is different state to state with WA state being the worst in the US
First of all I am NATIVE AMERICAN if you want to see an Indian go to India. Second of all the payout here in Oklahoma is about 80% so quite gripping about us natives.
80% payback is low on slots. Las Vegas casinos payback in 90%-95%. Not even close so, you confirmed what we already know. Slots at San Manuel Casino and Morongo Casino are tight as hell. I was playing Buffalo slots at San Manuel 05/28/21 at 100 credits at a $0.01 machine. That is $1.00 per spin, I got 36 free spins in the Buffalo slot I was playing and got a measly $10.00 after 36 free spins? That is a huge ripoff!
Your full of shit and you know it. Your corrupt tribal gaming commission or bribe induced state gaming commission is a joke. Indian casinos are dirty disgusting shitholes
i have a question about payout ratio. is it actual payout / cashout leaving the casino or or is it counted as every 25 cents you win on the slots? that is a big difference. i have put in a 20 dollar bill on royal wheels and played quarters for over 2 hours, that machine probably payed out 2 thousand dollars overall but i eventually cashed out ZERO.
Literally everytime you press the spin button the casino is guranteed a percentage of that bet. So 80% payback means a $10 spin the casino automatically gets $2.
You know this guy has a point. Even when your not in the casino on any reservation there a different laws, but then again who cares about the payout ratio its a casino. theyre gonna get u one way or another. The shoshone bannock casino for example. its a descent casino but they make millions a year. and if they didnt rip your ass off then hell, whats the point of a casino am I right?
You could give the slot players a break by keeping your slot machines set like the ones in Las Vegas. The slot players will be able to play longer and have a more positive, enjoyable experience. Compare that to very tight slot machines that just takes and takes your monies without giving you anything in turn.
This is Las Vegas talking and total nonsense, I always win at California Indian casinos, but when I go to Vegas I lose every last dollar including any pennies I have left. If you look for the information, indian casinos do publish the winners in their casinos.
Big difference between publishing winners in casinos as a marketing gimmick and publishing payout ratios per casino...INDIAN CASINOS DO NOT publish payout ratios ( they're on reservations...US LAW CAN'T TOUCH THEM) which VEGAS CASINOS MUST do by law
I spun 13,000 times on slots with 96% pay rate on Mohegan sun online casino slots and lost 100% on 9,000 of the spins absolutely devastating results , I questioned them and they told me I have a gambling problem.
Competition coming soon from everywhere. Indian casinos in California will lose big as other tribes in Connecticut, New York and elsewhere will be able to compete soon with online remote slots coming real soon. They are already testing it with New Jersey casinos. They have like 12 casinos in New Jersey alone. Now, they assign you a slot machine in a real casino and you can play it with camera so, you can see each spin as it happens. This is a pilot program of New Jersey casinos but, I am sure Las Vegas casinos would love that as well. So, tight slots or loose slots? No gambler wants to play those very tight slots where your monies do not last the first 10 minutes in the casino. What fun is that?
As you would imagine, mention slots and you are going to get a lot of different views, including "I went to one and won money". O.K. fair enough, but unless you win a massive jackpot or you only went a couple of times, the facts are, you will lose money in the long run. When a local Indian Casino opened up near my house, they were run by a Vegas Casino for a while. The Vegas casino had to report their earnings, even if all the Indian Casinos hide their earnings and payouts. What we learned from the earnings filing was the new casino near my house was the highest grossing casino in America (at that time). Bigger than any massive resort in Vegas when it came to raking in the money. I recently got a chance to see what the payout was on ONE machine, which, of course is only one machine, but it was, over the long term of many tens of thousands of dollars, around 60% payout. That would mean it was worse than pretty much anything I have ever heard of. One more thing, in Nevada, video card games, like video poker must replicate real decks. In other words, they have the same percent of all the cards as a deck of cards, there are not more 2's or 3's or anything else than you would expect. This is by law. The "deck" of cards might be unlimited in size, but does not have extra cards of any face value.
All of the casinos in the cities are Indian Casinos. Which casinos in Arizona and California are not Indian? I am not going to drive all the way to Vegas just to play a slot machine. It's too convenient to go right up the street, or pick me up the next time you are headed to Vegas.
My mom's friend she met at her usual casino goes and plays at least 2-5k per visit. Says she loses her ass off... they are used to taking her money right away. She keeps coming back. :( I told her to buy a slot machine(s) and a PS5 for "Entertainment Only". People don't play this crazy to be entertained. They play to hopefully win big. Well maybe if you just got so much money you are bored with yourself, maybe then it's "entertainment value" lol 😆
Gambling is a serious addiction and many older people have no problem gambling away little Jimmy's college tuition. Hope she gets help. You can actually purchase and own real slot machines just like the ones in the casinos
Rt 66 casino in alb is a total rip off. I believe they control the payback from the control room by the filp of a switch. They keep announcing, keep playing, you could be the next big winner. Yeah right! It never happens.
You could find out the pay out, take $500.00 to a dollar machine and cycle the bank roll through a dollar machine. after playing 500 times take the money out and go to another dollar machine and do the same thing, do that with five dollar slot machines then you will be able to figure out the pay out yourself.
Payback percentages are over thousands or even tens of thousands of spins. You will not get the payback percentages that way. It is an average. You will just lose your $500 with nothing to show for it.
What difference does payback ratio make? That payback ratio is an average; one can easily deposit $100 at a "commercial" casino and lose the whole thing. Pretending that someone depositing $100 will "get back" 90-96% of their money is misleading - if not an outright lie.
No, with an 80% payback machine, you lose your monies faster because it is tighter. A 90% machine, your monies will last longer. You will still lose in the long run as the casino has an advantage over you.
@@MrEvtmazda contracts? With who? Also here's some knowledge for the racist bigots www.cdcgamingreports.com/tribal-casinos-donations-can-have-far-reaching-effect/
Let's face it times are changing and casinos are great for the economy especially when paired with golf courses,or other outdoor fun activities. Here is the solution change the laws so we can open an American casino 15 miles from these Indian ones and name it what ever corporations buy's it! It will be government regulated and audited with legit games paying 88 to 98% set in stone with the RNG chip and ban server based gaming! Even if it caters to customers,or just expand on the audit process so they can't change anything lower than a minimum of 85% from a maximum of 92. So this way some 5 dollar 95% percent machine will stay that way same as video poker. Why not compete we have the land change the laws get some investors and build them like they do in the same states like California,Oklahoma and abroad,just enough to compete and regulate the greed so we Americans can feel right about this entertainment choice as legal all the time not sometimes,or maybe just like he said in the video.
Indian casinos will never allow competition. In California, race tracks tried to put slots but, the Indian casino lobby defeated them with politicians siding with the Indian casinos. Competition is necessary and these Indian casinos will not loosen their slots even if majority of their patrons are complaining.
No. They don't. That is the reason they hide the payback percentage. Indian casino slots probably, payback only 75%. They do not want their sucker customers to see that.
@@MrMatipid I guess I can’t speak outside of Michigan. But the five different Indian casinos I play here I can guarantee you pay is better than Cesar or MGM once again especially penny slots
Do the Indian casinos in Michigan give out their payback percentages in their slots? In Las Vegas, the payback percentages are 90-95%. A couple of people said the Indian casinos were 80% which is a ripoff. Maybe, you just got lucky a couple of times?
@@MrMatipid you need to check your stats there is maybe one or two casinos a year that pay back 95% on penny slots in Vegas. Those numbers would be more accurate for one dollar and over slot. I’m not sure you’re educated enough on this topic to comment
Again, the question, why are the Indian casinos hiding the payback percentages. In California, the standard line when customers complain about tight slots is their slots pay according to industry standards which I guess is other Indian casinos paying the same palty amounts. Still, they refuse to disclose their payback percentages.
Tribal casinos in norther Mi and the Upper penninsula are empty, on any given day or night there might be 30 people, how the hell can they keep the doors open and pay what must be hugh gas and electric bills not to mention the help. we are certain they have to have mob backing, money trucks bring cash and take cash, what better way to launder and wash money. And the kicker is they are self regulated, paybacks on slot machines are so low its a joke, they dont care who or how many customers come in the front door, all there money is coming in the back door, just a big front, if they needed customers cash they would let people win and stay and play, this isnt rocket science, no way they can survive on customer money, there isnt any.
You are correct, Wa state uses these the most and the tribes. Profit off these and the cards they use to track each player. The minute I ever use my card loss right off the back. And it's even without the card. Its just so tight and I dont care what scenario they tell me or this random computation they tell me. I also feel they have repeat winners who win that they love or like they allow to win. I mean they have one person who has won 9x at this casino??? And this person won 100k jackpot. So I avoid that place now... just better to play online for fun now.
Doesn't mean squat because they hide the payback percentages. In Las Vegas is is like 90%-95%. Indian casinos probably, have paybacks in the 75% or even lower. I have played at both Morongo Casino and San Manuel Casino and not seen people winning. Was at San Manuel Casino 05/28/21 and got 36 free spins in a Buffalo machine playing 100 credits on a $0.01 machine. That is $1.00 a spin mind you and for those 36 free spins, I only got $10.00? That is tight as hell. These Indian casinos are greedy as hell. They do not even allow players to win.
@@steveboy7302 Most of the Indians on reservations are on drugs and alcohol. Especially in California. These people have a opportunity to get a job but they don’t. I chose not to do drink and drug. I work for a living. These people don’t and the ones that have casinos even do more drugs and alcohol have big fancy cars all on other peoples losses. Money didn’t fix there life style.
@@steveboy7302 Indians get $3,000 a month from the Federal Government. Those in tribes with casinos get 6 figure checks from the top casino officials as their yearly share. These guys are making way more than you are. They are not poor. In addition, they will not even allow you to win on slots but, just take your monies on their very tight slots.
Firstly, all casinos are bad as they are designed to steal your money. You have to back things up with real hard facts before you go defaming somebody. Machines are made by manufacturers. They make the same machines for all casinos. I don't see they make a different machine with a different button they can press to change the odds. Machines are regulated by State gaming boards. Tell me, EXACTLY, how is an Indian slot machine is different from a Las Vegas slot machine.
""Tell me, EXACTLY, how is an Indian slot machine is different from a Las Vegas slot machine."" Seriously...you do know this is the 21st century right??? I mean...there's this thing called the internet where all you have to do is type in words to learn things. Words like...."Indian casino slots", "Las Vegas slots". or.... a smart guy like you might even want to try the words..... Class 2 slots right here on youtube. Here's a wee hint... Class 2 Tribal Casinos don't have slot machines. Anywhere. No where. None. Nill, Nada, Zip, Zero, Zilch...slot machines. have fun in the rabbit hole of life...
My friends lost there houses, cars and marriage. One of the worst Casinos is Barona Casino. They love you when your losing $$$$ when you finally run out of money they shooo you away or ban you and the VIP Services will give you a 1800 Gambling Anonymous phone number. They are your best friends till you have nothing more to give.
@@waynescaller110 As of right now that same Casino has Covid running thru it. Casio manager has it, the employees in the kitchen have it and a few have died. All for the $20 grand a month each tribal member receives on the lives and backs of the employees. No laws against this because it’s Sovereign Nation land. Sad and disgusting.
@@noseysamatha97 you are absolutely right it is sad and discusting and the most sad thing about it is the casino ain't giving a crap about it alls the casino cares about is getting money to rip off others even people with there hard earned money
Most casinos in Oklahoma pay about 2% ..I have spun machine 100 times and calculated the odds..chickasaw nation is the worst.Riverwind is still at 1%..
Nobody regulates the Oklahoma Indian Casinos ! You can put $100 in a machine and not even get a “hit” they just suck your money down non-stop ! They used to give you a chance when they first opened, they announced big winners hourly, not anymore - you might as well throw your money out the window ! Corruption has taken over the whole gamut
Peewee ive been playing slots for 15 years every week, from pechanga, san manual, casino morongo, aqua caliente, soboba, fantasy springs all are indian casinos....i barely play in vegas cuz im partying....so being at the right casino at the right time i think ive been to plenty at all the times
"The casino owners are laughing." Just like the Preachers are.... that teach that the Bible says people are supposed to tithe, when it was done away with as Jesus got nailed to the Cross. But hey.... apples and oranges... right? By the way??...you DO know where that Catholic church got all that trillions of mullah from.....right??? GAMBLING with souls!!!!!!!!!!!
They are controlled by a gaming commission which is overseen by the federal government. The Indian casinos payout percentage is around 88 percent. Don't be mislead by the " Separate nation " status, the U.S. Government still calls the shots. I can remember when the FBI shut down Fort McDowell casino in Arizona in the 80's for illegal operations. Uncle Sam has got your back when it comes to Indian casinos so don't worry about.
GARBAGE ! They are regulated by NO ONE ! They allow no one to see their records ! Let’s get 60 minutes in for a story on this organized corruption ! Maybe the whole MSM , then see how things change ...
I've seen countless people taking out on stretchers at my local Indian casino. Everything from alcohol poisoning, to heart attacks, to stab wounds. Indian casinos are dirty dangerous places
Well I do not know how you being a 60 year old man figures things out and comes up with the answers you come up with. The truth is some Indian casinos are the biggest in the country and if they were so bad to play at they would end up like Trump's Casino ended up out of business. Here are some facts that cannot be disputed. And the number one Casino starts at the top. Here’s the complete USA Today 10Best Reader’s Choice 2017 Best U.S. Casino list: Mohegan Sun - Uncasville, CT Caesars Palace Las Vegas Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV Pechanga Resort & Casino - Temecula, CA L’Auberge Casino Resort - Lake Charles, LA Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa - Atlantic City, NJ Peppermill Resort Spa Casino - Reno, NV Foxwoods Resort Casino - Mashantucket, CT The Cromwell Hotel - Las Vegas, NV Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Sioux City, IA Red Rock Casino Resort & Spa - Las Vegas, NV
Try playing at Morongo Casino or San Manuel Casino. I played in both and the slots were tight as hell. San Manuel Casino, I was with a friend 05/28/21, got 36 free spins on the Buffalo $0.01 slots playing 100 credits or $1.00 a spin, and got a measly $10.00 from those 36 free spins? That is tight as hell. These Indian casinos are so greedy because they do not have to disclose payback percentages and they have enough desperate gamblers to keep feeding those tight slots.
WOW, Pechanga was on the best list. I lose my butt everytime I go to that place. I know, just don't go, but when we visit our kids in Temecula, we always end up there one evening or the other. It's a beautiful place but tight as hell.
I consider myself lucky that I don't get high from playing slots like some people I know. I always remind people that casinos are a business not a charity. Anything you win is like a loan because the casinos WILL get ALL of their money back plus interest. You are not playing the machines, the machines are playing you.
Most people don't realize when they win a jack pot it's just the money they spent over the years if not only half back there actually walking away even from all those years
@@waynescaller8833 lol not me I go in to make money and I come out winning everyy time.
To Eric Harvey-- I'm not going to go into politics here, or how the government has treated native Americans. That's not what this video or my tips and comments are for. I just wanted to help people understand how stacked the deck is against them and the difference between rules and practices at Indian-run casinos vs. corporate run facilities in Atlantic City, Biloxi, Vegas, etc. And there IS a major difference. End of discussion for me. As I said, anyone can do additional research on this and independently verify what I'm saying about slot payouts.
John LaRosa i wish you would make another video discussing Class II slots vs RNG. some people are totally oblivious to the fact that tribal slots are basically pull tab readers! nothing random about them....
John LaRosa you Right?? I'm play for 22 years in wa. State i los all ready over $812900 .00 thousand dollars I'm Brock and casinos stilling every peoples money ????? Wy???
You are full of shit. Indian casinos usually have a higher payout than the government ones. have played in many casinos in the USA and truthfully I never won anything in Biloxi, Las Vegas, New Orleans. I have won in the Indian casinos in North Dakota and Minnesota. In Canada, Indian casinos percentage is 90% and the government ran is 85.
Can it be repealed I didn't vote in a90 % casino
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I would never gamble on an Indian Casino ever!
You are ABSOLUTELY Right!! Their slot machines always almost very very tight!! And not consistent!! When it pays bonus or something once in a blue moon , you better cash out and walk out of that machine quick!! I Know it from an experience believe me!! The WINSTAR CASINO IN OKLAHOMA IS A BIGG. RIP-OFF PLACE!! And Every body is complaining left and right!!And especially on the holidays, and weekends you don't wanna go there!! Good luck to you all!!
Neb S
Agree
That place Fuckin Sucks Balls
Nothing but a big smelly stinking shithole!!!
Hey, you can just use a few more CAPS and exclamation MARKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey why go there then....Find a good bingo game.
Go to Boarder Casino near Winstar, at least the machines pay there.
@@robmclaughlin420
BS
They’re worse
All Casinos are ripoffs lol
Indian casinos are the worse I agree 👍👍
Barona Casino is one of the most corrupt casinos out there.
unfortunately pretty much All casinos in northern CA are Indian casinos🤦🏻♂️... How can i find non Indian casinos in northern California?
Just go to Lytton Casino in San Pablo. That's where all the winners go.Lol
There are petitions out to legalize gambling.
Its just a matter of time.
Indian casinos will have competition and experience what Reno is going through
Lytton casino in San Pablo is by far the best for slots! I’ve had some good runs there!
@@747heavyboeing3 what's Reno casinos going through? Business slowed down?
Just go to Reno
Just Don’t Do It !!!
U will lose
I agree. I have played at Morongo Casino and San Manuel Casino here in California. Slots are tight as hell and hardly payout anything.
I hate morongon, i swear the baccarat card shuffler is rigged too
I never played in Morongo but San Manuel. Been good to me. I’ll go to have fun not make money. Either break even or make a profit
Skip 2 or 3 trips to an indian casino and spend the money on a flight to Las Vegas or Atlantic City. You'll probably still lose but the slots are looser and you can jump from one casino to another, with hundreds of restaurants to choose from. Indian casinos are all stand alone in the middle of nowhere with only a few places to eat . BORING.
I agree with this. It's more fun to just go to Vegas for a weekend than spend a night at the tribal casino losing
I find (at least Oregon) Indian casinos easier to win slots at than ANYPLACE in Vegas. (yes that includes Freemont Street)
🤣🤣🤣That's what many senior citizens believe. 😂😂😂
Native casinos aren't paying back anywhere near 50%. If you ask players it's really rare to hear of anyone ever winning anything worth mentioning. Few really win anything substantial
not just native casinos every casino
Casinos never lose. Everything being tracked electronically now will grantee that
I don’t gamble, but if I did I’d rather go to a Las Vegas casino then native. Las Vegas casinos can only keep 3% by law.
I made more money at Indian casino then Vegas
Same. But damn do I lose my ass off either way.
Just an FYI... The 88% to 92% payback he refers to is the average of ALL player over time. Statistically, the more you play over a give time the closer you get to these average payback. So! If you walk into any casino with a $100 bucks, chances are you’re only going to play for a short time, which will most likely result in you losing most of your original bankroll. However, if you bing in $1000 bankroll, you’ll be at the machine much longer which allows you to get closer to the averages noted in this video. Most people don’t have $1000 to throw down on a slot, and I highly recommend not doing that.
Moral to this story: Slot machines and published paybacks are all about the amount of time you spend on a given machine. But, sometimes you get lucky with a $100.00 bankroll and win some cash. It’s gambling.
I personally have limited my gambling based on knowing the statistics and used the cash for vacations, nice dinners, and time with the kids. But your mileage may very.
I disagree about this train of thought, here's why the machines are paid over time the longer you play the less you are going to win . Hit hard fast and run to the exit , never play for the sake of playing. Play to win smart bets and quick hits
The first hundred is the golden one. After that you are chasing.
81 Native Americans are PISSED at this truthful video.
Because people still call them indians when they are not from india?
Indians
@@MrEvtmazda they are not indians
What do they call people who are actually from India, native?
You are wrong. The payout percentage is over the life of the machine not for each individual player.
Whether it is over 100,000 or more spins, it does not matter. A 70% payback machine will eat your monies faster than a 90% slot machine will.
I would completely agree. I went to an Indian casino last night and the slots were the tightest I've ever played. It was terrible to play there. You would not win anything. Stay away from Indian casinos. I like to play where the payout percentage is advertised and it's above 90%. Blackhawk, Cripple Creek and Reno are great examples. Indian casinos are a total ripoff. You'll lose considerably more money by gambling at Indian casinos. I had read reviews stating how tight the slots were at that Indian casino and was skeptical about the validity of those reviews. But those reviews were spot on.
You're providing sound advice here. I don't get why anyone would ever play slots at any Indian casinos, but for the two in Connecticut that disclose payout rates. Those two casinos have payout rates comparable to other corporate casinos at over 90%. But other than those two Indian casinos, gamble elsewhere with your money. You're likely to lose anywhere. But at casinos with payout rates over 90%, you have a pretty good shot at winning as well. That's not true at Indian casinos. Winning at Indian casinos is an extraordinarily rare experience.
61D-14.038 Percentage Payout and Odds.
(1) No slot machine game shall be certified for play by a licensed independent test laboratory if the manufacturer’s Payout and Retention (PAR) sheet does not indicate a probable minimum payout percentage of at least eighty-five percent (85%) of all credits played over the mathematical cycle of the game at a ninety-five percent (95%) level of confidence. The licensed independent test laboratory shall test the slot machine to certify that the slot machine game meets the probable minimum payout indicated on its PAR sheet at a ninety-nine percent (99%) level of confidence. The manufacturer or distributor shall also provide a PAR sheet with each slot machine game delivered to a slot machine licensee.
(a) The game’s player return over the cycle of both the bonus and non-bonus part of the game combined shall conform to this minimum theoretical payout to player;
(b) The minimum theoretical payout percentage of the game shall be met at all times;
(c) The minimum theoretical payout percentage of the game shall be met when playing at the lowest end of a non-linear paytable; and
(d) The licensed independent test laboratory shall provide the minimum and maximum theoretical payout percentage within the certification report for each game. Any alteration of a game shall require a re-evaluation of the minimum theoretical payout percentage.
I strongly suggest to watch cowboy slots channel. It’s likely the type of machine you are playing not really the casino.
9 years later it's truth lol
i lived in Northern Michigan near a few Grand Traverse and another tribe casinos. I was told the Indian casino were around 80% compared to 90% for Vegas ones. defintely wasn't 50%. I only played occasionally. I tried to make it back on the free soft drinks.
The Native American casino is not a sustainable economic strategy due to the fact competition from on-line wagering and sports betting will ultimately erode their margins. Also, surrounding communities will begin to understand the damage inflicted in terms of increased crime, drugs and a general decline in morality. The failure of Native Americans to diversify their economies and pursue higher education will ultimately be the demise of many tribes.
There all run by a mafia
Couldn't have said it better myself
Yup....without exception
There is a federal commission that oversees Indian gaming. I don't go to any casino to make money, I go to win money and to be entertained. I don't see any difference in my gambling experience between the Indian casinos and the ones in Vegas .
arrow251 he addressed you on that subject at 2:33.
Believe me there is a difference Indian Casinos are on Sovereign land. They can do anything they want. I know to many big players that got ripped off at Indian casinos.
Tribal and vegas are way different. Plus gaming commission state or tribal are super corrupt, usually understaffed and will take bribes from casinos
I don't know. I have won 1100 off of 20.00 and I've lost 200 in a night. I have started playing more blackjack
There are many other reasons not to play at Indian casinos than what are presented here. Indian casinos are not regulated as intensely as the casinos in Nevada or New Jersey are. They are not required to pay out any given percentage on their slots or any other game and can on a whim deny payment of a jackpot. I had that happen to me at an Indian casino here in California. I found out that a player has little recourse against the Indian casino because you cannot sue them in regular state courts. Indian casinos are almost always located on an Indian reservation and those reservations are considered to be sovereign entities. The only recourse afforded to me was suing the casino in a tribal court operated by the Indian reservation where the casino was located. I don't have to tell anyone how the court ruled after a farcical trial. Yep, I lost.
That is the truth and people need to know this. Indian Casinos can basically do anything they want and get away with it. Sovereign Nation. No lawyer will touch a Indian casino. I know more than a few hardcore players that got ripped off at Indian casinos. Big time! They Absolutely had no recourse or say in the matter.
Dirty Feather heads
Smart at a Indian casino is go in with a budget. Get a hit above what you have put in .decide whether to continue to play not going past your limit. But I actually think if you get 2 , 3 or hopefully 5 hundred then get out as fast as you can. Comps are very low so don't chase anything if it comes great don't chase bonuses. Five quick spins keep moving, because you can get more bonuses
Especially, Oklahoma casinos like Winstar and Choctaw. When you get a bonus , leave the machine otherwise machine will take it all back ... 😳😳
When Winstar casino offer you free room, watchout 🤔🤔🤔Their slots are gonna be very tight in those days. 🙁🙁
Winstar sucks
If people don't win how would they stay open
Gambling is addictive. That's how
I understand your POV but also disagree... my local casinos (Hollywood and Ameristar) pay nothing. The most comps I get from them is $10 every 3 days after years of spending thousands. On the other hand, when we visit our OK indian casino, we get free spa rooms, free massages/free salon, $400 food credit, $300 freeplay, and tons of invites to events. I saw 4 grand handpays last time in ONE trip, including $558,000 on a $3 bet on a buffalo machine. When does that ever happen at Ameri/Hollywd??? Never. Plus, the indian casinos have a weekly/monthly/yearly pot that you are always playing in that has to hit at certain levels. The comps, amenities, and extra events/available extra jackpot incentives are so much better IMO, especially when my locals do nothing/win nothing/see nothing.
Tulalip Casino here in WA state wouldnt even comp me a $10 sandwich after winning a $1500 jackpot then losing that and another $3k that day. Fuck indian casinos, they are just using them to stick it back to the white man for taking over all their land
I guess some Indian casinos will give slot players a break. However, in California, it is all one sided and the Indian casinos have a monopoly of sorts. The nearest competitors are in Las Vegas like over 300 miles away. So, they do not care even if their slots are set very tight.
Just be rational and dont gamble if dont want to lose money🤷♀️ plain and simple. Youre gonna get ripped off nomatter where you go.
I went 1 time won 10 k off of. 50 bucks never been back lol.
Just left Tampa Hard Rock and I watched handpays everywhere but!! But!! They are betting $4 to $10 a spin. I went in betting $1.50 $2.00 a spin and lost fast and zero jackpots. So basically you can win big but you have to bet big. Anybody who plays slots knows that $7 spins can burn thru 1k in a hour or less. I played Buffalo gold and had zero extra spins in the bonus. Talking 7 bonuses and no extra spins.
I got 36 free spins on a Buffalo slot machine at San Manuel Casino in California. Got the grand sum of $10.00 after 36 spins mind you. So, that is tight as hell. You do not need to be a genius to figure that out.
It’s astonishing how much false info is said in under six minutes.
California is in need of jobs and taxes.
It should be legalized since casinos have a monopoly
You are wrong. Tribes have agreements with the state on payback percentages. The lower end may be lower on some machines, but the higher percentages exists as well. Casinos change these odds on a periodic basis, sometimes hourly. If these percentages were universally set low they would be breaking their agreement with the state and let's face it, people wouldn't play. It's not a good business model. The biggest mistake slot players make is staying on a machine that isn't paying, thinking it is "due to hit', which is a myth. If a machine isn't paying, go to another machine that might be paying.
Politicians get campaign cash from the Indian casinos. You think they care how bad the slot players are getting it?
San Manuel Casino in California bought Palms Casino in Las Vegas. Now, they have to put out their payout percentages. I imagine their slots at the Palms would be way looser because other Las Vegas casinos just nearby to compete against them. They cannot pull the crap they do to slot players in California. If they do, slot players have lots of casinos in Las Vegas to play at.
San manuel is absolutely the worst. I used to be a high roller there 7 years ago and have won an estimate of around 1.2 million in slot winnings. Ever since the expansion and the new casino they've purchased I've noticed how tight the slots are. I've stopped going there and everyone I know who goes there always losses. You can take 10 grand with you and play high bet slots and not win anything. I've had way more lucky at chumash. Even tho it's a tribal casino as well , I've had way more luck there. Also I played at the Laughlin casinos and win as well. San manuel just isn't the same anymore. They used to advertise on TV how much it was Californias #1 casino , now they dont pay out jackshit . I think the new expansion , the pandemic , and new casino purchase made them try to recoupe some of that money by programming slots to pay out less and rob people of their money
This isn’t entirely true. The compact between the states and tribes usually. Has a minimum payout of 75%. Also if the casino is to tight people just won’t go.
There are a lot of stupid people and just want to gamble. They figure that going to California Indian casinos is okay because if they were to drive to Las Vegas it is like a 5 hour drive and around 300-400 milles travel time. Not counting the cost of the gas.
I live in Washington we hit the casino 1 or 2 times a month. I won 20 grand last year and didn’t spend nearly that much. The odds are generally better in Vegas or off Rez but my experience in Vegas is never a winning one. Always get my ass kicked
@@toenailclippings2555 I will take Las Vegas over Indian casinos in California. Almost won a grand prize on my birthday trip August of 2021. Never come close when playing at Indian casinos in California. Also, won at Paris, Wynn and MGM Grand small amounts. Indian casinos just take your monies and slots are very tight.
75% payout is pretty low. In Las Vegas, the lowest payouts for slot machines is 85%. Competition also, guarantees that casinos treat their gamblers better. California, all casinos are run by tribal communities. There is a few card club casinos but, with limited Asian type card games.
Our tribal casino here in Oklahoma contributes to our community, state and schools more then you think AND gambling is not a job, it’s entertainment weather you win or lose and that’s at ANY casino (native owned or not)
Ita honestly a great way to get back at the white man.
@@Steyk3 were talking about percentages only here, not what is taken and how its spent
Was at Las Vegas July 30, 2021-August 1, 2021. Stayed at MGM Grand. Played slots at Wynn, Paris, MGM Grand and comparing it to San Manuel or Morongo in California, Las Vegas casinos are looser. Almost won the grand prize in a slot at MGM Grand on August 1, 2021 on the way back home. Ended up getting the Mini-Jackpot. I had 2 each of Grand Prize, 2 Major Prize, 1 Maxi Prize, 2 Mini, 2 Minor and ended up opening a Mini. A shame as the Grand Prize was $10,000 and I had a times 4 multiplier. That would have been $40,000. Instead, I hit for $20 x 4 or $80. This was a penny slot and I was playing $0.88 a spin.
Also, won small amounts at Wynn and Paris so, this gives me an indication that Las Vegas casinos give you a better deal on the slots. This was on the Las Vegas Strip too.
Penny slots have the worst odds of all.
John, you are 100% correct. I have been an avid slot player for 20 years. Avoid tribal casinos at all costs. I now play online, found 3 solid casinos and win consistently. There are far better alternatives than tribal casinos!
Do you have any suggestions which app to get for casinos. I think I should play online myself since you have better odds of winning. Thanks in advance.
Hey, I get a huge check every year from this shit. Don't mess with my wampum.
Bet ya buy lots of smack
I thought injun casinos had to pay out at an 85% minimum. State lotteries pay out 54% at least hear in CA,
Their is payout requirements but I guarantee they are not meeting them. The payout percentage is different state to state with WA state being the worst in the US
First of all I am NATIVE AMERICAN if you want to see an Indian go to India. Second of all the payout here in Oklahoma is about 80% so quite gripping about us natives.
80% payback is low on slots. Las Vegas casinos payback in 90%-95%. Not even close so, you confirmed what we already know. Slots at San Manuel Casino and Morongo Casino are tight as hell. I was playing Buffalo slots at San Manuel 05/28/21 at 100 credits at a $0.01 machine. That is $1.00 per spin, I got 36 free spins in the Buffalo slot I was playing and got a measly $10.00 after 36 free spins? That is a huge ripoff!
Pocohontas gets a nice fat check every month for life from the scamsinos. problem is he drinks his check by the 15th.
Your full of shit and you know it. Your corrupt tribal gaming commission or bribe induced state gaming commission is a joke. Indian casinos are dirty disgusting shitholes
I am pretty sure you can find an Indian person actually from India right here in the United States why would you go to India?
Bullshit. Heres a tip: Dont go to indian casinos close to city areas.
i have a question about payout ratio. is it actual payout / cashout leaving the casino or or is it counted as every 25 cents you win on the slots? that is a big difference. i have put in a 20 dollar bill on royal wheels and played quarters for over 2 hours, that machine probably payed out 2 thousand dollars overall but i eventually cashed out ZERO.
every coin paid out divided by every coin wagered
Oh no, you don't have a clue. Please save you $ and never go back!
Literally everytime you press the spin button the casino is guranteed a percentage of that bet. So 80% payback means a $10 spin the casino automatically gets $2.
You know this guy has a point. Even when your not in the casino on any reservation there a different laws, but then again who cares about the payout ratio its a casino. theyre gonna get u one way or another. The shoshone bannock casino for example. its a descent casino but they make millions a year. and if they didnt rip your ass off then hell, whats the point of a casino am I right?
You could give the slot players a break by keeping your slot machines set like the ones in Las Vegas. The slot players will be able to play longer and have a more positive, enjoyable experience. Compare that to very tight slot machines that just takes and takes your monies without giving you anything in turn.
This is Las Vegas talking and total nonsense, I always win at California Indian casinos, but when I go to Vegas I lose every last dollar including any pennies I have left. If you look for the information, indian casinos do publish the winners in their casinos.
Big difference between publishing winners in casinos as a marketing gimmick and publishing payout ratios per casino...INDIAN CASINOS DO NOT publish payout ratios ( they're on reservations...US LAW CAN'T TOUCH THEM) which VEGAS CASINOS MUST do by law
Anonymous
You’re either High or Just Stupid
Indian casinos don’t publish Shit
So Quit Lying 🤥
Native casinos. Not indian! We are not from Bangladesh.
Bangladeshis aren't Indian either !!
I spun 13,000 times on slots with 96% pay rate on Mohegan sun online casino slots and lost 100% on 9,000 of the spins absolutely devastating results , I questioned them and they told me I have a gambling problem.
Native casinos keep up to 15-20% of profits vs Las Vegas casinos who are only allowed 3%. Online casinos are even sketcher .
I want to take Peyote and gamble at a indian casino ! 🤣🤣
I lose over $ 812.900.00 thousand dollars left me Brock how can take my money ?? Back..
Learn to spell would be a good start?
Next time you walk into the casino. Take out your bank roll and light it on fire. It will save you time
You mean like Brock Lesnar !
Competition coming soon from everywhere. Indian casinos in California will lose big as other tribes in Connecticut, New York and elsewhere will be able to compete soon with online remote slots coming real soon. They are already testing it with New Jersey casinos. They have like 12 casinos in New Jersey alone. Now, they assign you a slot machine in a real casino and you can play it with camera so, you can see each spin as it happens. This is a pilot program of New Jersey casinos but, I am sure Las Vegas casinos would love that as well. So, tight slots or loose slots? No gambler wants to play those very tight slots where your monies do not last the first 10 minutes in the casino. What fun is that?
As you would imagine, mention slots and you are going to get a lot of different views, including "I went to one and won money".
O.K. fair enough, but unless you win a massive jackpot or you only went a couple of times, the facts are, you will lose money in the long run.
When a local Indian Casino opened up near my house, they were run by a Vegas Casino for a while. The Vegas casino had to report their earnings, even if all the Indian Casinos hide their earnings and payouts. What we learned from the earnings filing was the new casino near my house was the highest grossing casino in America (at that time). Bigger than any massive resort in Vegas when it came to raking in the money.
I recently got a chance to see what the payout was on ONE machine, which, of course is only one machine, but it was, over the long term of many tens of thousands of dollars, around 60% payout.
That would mean it was worse than pretty much anything I have ever heard of.
One more thing, in Nevada, video card games, like video poker must replicate real decks. In other words, they have the same percent of all the cards as a deck of cards, there are not more 2's or 3's or anything else than you would expect. This is by law. The "deck" of cards might be unlimited in size, but does not have extra cards of any face value.
I told my friend don't play at Indian casino she did and won big she didn't get paid malfunction they said
All of the casinos in the cities are Indian Casinos. Which casinos in Arizona and California are not Indian?
I am not going to drive all the way to Vegas just to play a slot machine.
It's too convenient to go right up the street, or pick me up the next time you are headed to Vegas.
My mom's friend she met at her usual casino goes and plays at least 2-5k per visit. Says she loses her ass off... they are used to taking her money right away. She keeps coming back. :(
I told her to buy a slot machine(s) and a PS5 for "Entertainment Only".
People don't play this crazy to be entertained. They play to hopefully win big.
Well maybe if you just got so much money you are bored with yourself, maybe then it's "entertainment value" lol 😆
Gambling is a serious addiction and many older people have no problem gambling away little Jimmy's college tuition. Hope she gets help. You can actually purchase and own real slot machines just like the ones in the casinos
Rt 66 casino in alb is a total rip off. I believe they control the payback from the control room by the filp of a switch. They keep announcing, keep playing, you could be the next big winner. Yeah right! It never happens.
You could find out the pay out, take $500.00 to a dollar machine and cycle the bank roll through a dollar machine. after playing 500 times take the money out and go to another dollar machine and do the same thing, do that with five dollar slot machines then you will be able to figure out the pay out yourself.
Payback percentages are over thousands or even tens of thousands of spins. You will not get the payback percentages that way. It is an average. You will just lose your $500 with nothing to show for it.
The hard rock paid me idk wt you're talking about lol and I was on high limit slots
What difference does payback ratio make? That payback ratio is an average; one can easily deposit $100 at a "commercial" casino and lose the whole thing. Pretending that someone depositing $100 will "get back" 90-96% of their money is misleading - if not an outright lie.
No, with an 80% payback machine, you lose your monies faster because it is tighter. A 90% machine, your monies will last longer. You will still lose in the long run as the casino has an advantage over you.
@@MrMatipid Good point.
Emerald Queen Casino does not pay their max bet winners on their machines
Amen! Yup was there last night, unprecedented bad luck
are all class 2 machines have a bingo chart up
“Native American casinos”
This guy would lose his mind trying to reading and trying to understand one of our tribal gaming compacts.
Sit down on a curb somewhere and have a 40 redman.
The contracts are written poorly on purpose. Indian casinos are scum
@@macheetah49 I'd rather use the white man's money to pay for my son's education. #sobernative
@@MrEvtmazda contracts? With who? Also here's some knowledge for the racist bigots www.cdcgamingreports.com/tribal-casinos-donations-can-have-far-reaching-effect/
Nobody cares about your compacts. Show the payback percentages like Las Vegas casinos. Why are you hiding it?
Why would indian's publish their payouts in America? They are two different countries. We don't publish our payouts in India...so...???
I am sure Roxi you are jesting with us we are talking about Native Americans not people from India.
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Let's face it times are changing and casinos are great for the economy especially when paired with golf courses,or other outdoor fun activities. Here is the solution change the laws so we can open an American casino 15 miles from these Indian ones and name it what ever corporations buy's it! It will be government regulated and audited with legit games paying 88 to 98% set in stone with the RNG chip and ban server based gaming! Even if it caters to customers,or just expand on the audit process so they can't change anything lower than a minimum of 85% from a maximum of 92. So this way some 5 dollar 95% percent machine will stay that way same as video poker. Why not compete we have the land change the laws get some investors and build them like they do in the same states like California,Oklahoma and abroad,just enough to compete and regulate the greed so we Americans can feel right about this entertainment choice as legal all the time not sometimes,or maybe just like he said in the video.
Indian casinos will never allow competition. In California, race tracks tried to put slots but, the Indian casino lobby defeated them with politicians siding with the Indian casinos. Competition is necessary and these Indian casinos will not loosen their slots even if majority of their patrons are complaining.
Completely false. Indian Casinos don’t publish but I guarantee they pay better than Vegas. Especially penny slots
No. They don't. That is the reason they hide the payback percentage. Indian casino slots probably, payback only 75%. They do not want their sucker customers to see that.
@@MrMatipid I guess I can’t speak outside of Michigan. But the five different Indian casinos I play here I can guarantee you pay is better than Cesar or MGM once again especially penny slots
Do the Indian casinos in Michigan give out their payback percentages in their slots? In Las Vegas, the payback percentages are 90-95%. A couple of people said the Indian casinos were 80% which is a ripoff. Maybe, you just got lucky a couple of times?
@@MrMatipid you need to check your stats there is maybe one or two casinos a year that pay back 95% on penny slots in Vegas. Those numbers would be more accurate for one dollar and over slot. I’m not sure you’re educated enough on this topic to comment
Again, the question, why are the Indian casinos hiding the payback percentages. In California, the standard line when customers complain about tight slots is their slots pay according to industry standards which I guess is other Indian casinos paying the same palty amounts. Still, they refuse to disclose their payback percentages.
Tribal casinos in norther Mi and the Upper penninsula are empty, on any given day or night there might be 30 people, how the hell can they keep the doors open and pay what must be hugh gas and electric bills not to mention the help. we are certain they have to have mob backing, money trucks bring cash and take cash, what better way to launder and wash money. And the kicker is they are self regulated, paybacks on slot machines are so low its a joke, they dont care who or how many customers come in the front door, all there money is coming in the back door, just a big front, if they needed customers cash they would let people win and stay and play, this isnt rocket science, no way they can survive on customer money, there isnt any.
You are correct, Wa state uses these the most and the tribes.
Profit off these and the cards they use to track each player.
The minute I ever use my card loss right off the back.
And it's even without the card. Its just so tight and I dont care
what scenario they tell me or this random computation they tell me.
I also feel they have repeat winners who win that they love
or like they allow to win. I mean they have one person who has won
9x at this casino???
And this person won 100k jackpot. So I avoid that place now...
just better to play online for fun now.
I live in wa and I agree. Wa state casinos blow
I’m native quinault our casino is terrible so is lucky eagle and little creek all the native casinos in Oregon and Washington are rigged
In California they are regulated by the gaming commission.
Doesn't mean squat because they hide the payback percentages. In Las Vegas is is like 90%-95%. Indian casinos probably, have paybacks in the 75% or even lower. I have played at both Morongo Casino and San Manuel Casino and not seen people winning. Was at San Manuel Casino 05/28/21 and got 36 free spins in a Buffalo machine playing 100 credits on a $0.01 machine. That is $1.00 a spin mind you and for those 36 free spins, I only got $10.00? That is tight as hell. These Indian casinos are greedy as hell. They do not even allow players to win.
Oh your cute. You think a state run commission isnt corrupt
Why are you reading from a script. It is easy to figure percentages. What have we learned here ?
This is horse shit let's make a law preventing this from occurring so they can be regulated like everyone else.
sure keep them in poverty because it makes white man feel better
@@steveboy7302 Most of the Indians on reservations are on drugs and alcohol. Especially in California. These people have a opportunity to get a job but they don’t. I chose not to do drink and drug. I work for a living. These people don’t and the ones that have casinos even do more drugs and alcohol have big fancy cars all on other peoples losses. Money didn’t fix there life style.
@@steveboy7302 Indians get $3,000 a month from the Federal Government. Those in tribes with casinos get 6 figure checks from the top casino officials as their yearly share. These guys are making way more than you are. They are not poor. In addition, they will not even allow you to win on slots but, just take your monies on their very tight slots.
Tampa hard rock slots pay out nothing
Indian Casinos is all we have close. :-(
Firstly, all casinos are bad as they are designed to steal your money.
You have to back things up with real hard facts before you go defaming somebody.
Machines are made by manufacturers. They make the same machines for all casinos. I don't see they make a different machine with a different button they can press to change the odds.
Machines are regulated by State gaming boards.
Tell me, EXACTLY, how is an Indian slot machine is different from a Las Vegas slot machine.
""Tell me, EXACTLY, how is an Indian slot machine is different from a Las Vegas slot machine.""
Seriously...you do know this is the 21st century right???
I mean...there's this thing called the internet where all you have to do is type in words to learn things.
Words like...."Indian casino slots", "Las Vegas slots".
or....
a smart guy like you might even want to try the words.....
Class 2 slots right here on youtube.
Here's a wee hint...
Class 2 Tribal Casinos don't have slot machines. Anywhere. No where.
None. Nill, Nada, Zip, Zero, Zilch...slot machines.
have fun in the rabbit hole of life...
Casinos should be shut down period they rune peoples lifes
My friends lost there houses, cars and marriage. One of the worst Casinos is Barona Casino. They love you when your losing $$$$ when you finally run out of money they shooo you away or ban you and the VIP Services will give you a 1800 Gambling Anonymous phone number. They are your best friends till you have nothing more to give.
@@noseysamatha97 im sorry to hear about your friends casinos are the devil they just don't care
@@waynescaller110 As of right now that same Casino has Covid running thru it. Casio manager has it, the employees in the kitchen have it and a few have died. All for the $20 grand a month each tribal member receives on the lives and backs of the employees. No laws against this because it’s Sovereign Nation land. Sad and disgusting.
@@noseysamatha97 you are absolutely right it is sad and discusting and the most sad thing about it is the casino ain't giving a crap about it alls the casino cares about is getting money to rip off others even people with there hard earned money
@@waynescaller110 Exactly ! - Here is a link New report www.kpbs.org/news/2020/dec/21/covid-19-cases-san-diego-county-casinos/
Thanks
Most casinos in Oklahoma pay about 2% ..I have spun machine 100 times and calculated the odds..chickasaw nation is the worst.Riverwind is still at 1%..
Nobody regulates the Oklahoma Indian Casinos ! You can put $100 in a machine and not even get a “hit” they just suck your money down non-stop ! They used to give you a chance when they first opened, they announced big winners hourly, not anymore - you might as well throw your money out the window ! Corruption has taken over the whole gamut
Especially the Winstar Border Casino
They’re nothing but a bunch of Crooks
Washington state tribal casinos are the same way. Infact they have the worst odds in the US last time I looked it up
buy free less from holy pythia of notre dame from indian casino
We went to an Indian Casino last week and my husband won $2513.06 on a penny slot at a $2.50 bet. California Indian casinos pay out.
Peewee i disagree, ive wasted 9ver 10 grand in the last year at California casinos, just last night i lost $1300 on penny machines
Kevin: It all depends on if you are at the right casino at the right time.
Peewee ive been playing slots for 15 years every week, from pechanga, san manual, casino morongo, aqua caliente, soboba, fantasy springs all are indian casinos....i barely play in vegas cuz im partying....so being at the right casino at the right time i think ive been to plenty at all the times
Gotta be in the right casino at the right time.
You can win, but at a lower rate. This guy isn't saying it is impossible but I'd rather drive to Reno and play than play the casinos in Sacramento
Hey I have a question bottom line is class 3 is radom class 2 is pretermed which results are in already like a scratch off
Corey Gigoux j
Instead of chasing Jesus, people chase casinos, and where does that get them? The casino owners are laughing.
"The casino owners are laughing."
Just like the Preachers are....
that teach that the Bible says people are supposed to tithe, when it was done away with as Jesus got nailed to the Cross.
But hey....
apples and oranges...
right?
By the way??...you DO know where that Catholic church got all that trillions of mullah from.....right???
GAMBLING with souls!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s still a free country
Like the show but audio is horrible!
They are controlled by a gaming commission which is overseen by the federal government. The Indian casinos payout percentage is around 88 percent. Don't be mislead by the " Separate nation " status, the U.S. Government still calls the shots. I can remember when the FBI shut down Fort McDowell casino in Arizona in the 80's for illegal operations. Uncle Sam has got your back when it comes to Indian casinos so don't worry about.
Bs. They cheat
GARBAGE ! They are regulated by NO ONE !
They allow no one to see their records ! Let’s get 60 minutes in for a story on this organized corruption ! Maybe the whole MSM , then see how things change ...
*Native American Casino Slots
that's all great but we are controlled by hnic that's says our slots are 89 to 94. percent . most most of most of our game are 89 to 91%
What is hnic? Please define, and tell me exactly what they do. And is this info. available to the public? What state are you in?
Lol that's a lie, I know there's no percentage regulations here in California.
Gaming commission tribal or state are super corrupt and take bribes
Gambling is a fool's game.
Slots are stupid! In fact all gambling is just a big waste of money and time.
This guy must be a spokesman for Las Vegas!
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Native American Casinos are the most Ruthless. Rob you blind.
Correct ! They are absolutely corrupt. Sovereign Nation lawless. They make there own rules. Indian casinos are the worst.
Try the Winstar in Oklahoma or the Paragon in Louisiana. They have great slot action with major payouts.
Fat Ray
Stop with your Lies
Indian Casinos in Oklahoma are NOT regulated and they are NOT paying out squat !
Total rip-offs !!!!
Corruption Deluxe
Fat Ray Liar 🤥
I got drunk at a indian casino and they let me smoke I wasted $10 thats it so idgaf
Weed?
I've seen countless people taking out on stretchers at my local Indian casino. Everything from alcohol poisoning, to heart attacks, to stab wounds. Indian casinos are dirty dangerous places
Boring.... typical known facts... you reveal nothing new or not already known...DUH
Sounds like John doesn't like Indians.
Well I do not know how you being a 60 year old man figures things out and comes up with the answers you come up with. The truth is some Indian casinos are the biggest in the country and if they were so bad to play at they would end up like Trump's Casino ended up out of business. Here are some facts that cannot be disputed. And the number one Casino starts at the top. Here’s the complete USA Today 10Best Reader’s Choice 2017 Best U.S. Casino list:
Mohegan Sun - Uncasville, CT
Caesars Palace Las Vegas Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
Pechanga Resort & Casino - Temecula, CA
L’Auberge Casino Resort - Lake Charles, LA
Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa - Atlantic City, NJ
Peppermill Resort Spa Casino - Reno, NV
Foxwoods Resort Casino - Mashantucket, CT
The Cromwell Hotel - Las Vegas, NV
Hard Rock Hotel & Casino - Sioux City, IA
Red Rock Casino Resort & Spa - Las Vegas, NV
Try playing at Morongo Casino or San Manuel Casino. I played in both and the slots were tight as hell. San Manuel Casino, I was with a friend 05/28/21, got 36 free spins on the Buffalo $0.01 slots playing 100 credits or $1.00 a spin, and got a measly $10.00 from those 36 free spins? That is tight as hell. These Indian casinos are so greedy because they do not have to disclose payback percentages and they have enough desperate gamblers to keep feeding those tight slots.
WOW, Pechanga was on the best list. I lose my butt everytime I go to that place. I know, just don't go, but when we visit our kids in Temecula, we always end up there one evening or the other. It's a beautiful place but tight as hell.
0:20 You look pretty good for 60!
All casinos in Minnesota is Native.... which is dumb as hell because they made it illegal for anyone else to make their own small casino.
Lots of engine joes on here, defending their piggy bank casinos in the comment section.
Go back to the country of your ancestors then Pilgrim John!
Because they are allowed to use any payback percent even as low as 1% !
bullshit
you ain't got a clue
There all rigged