@@Seynxx ummmmm no…… pbd has yet to push ANY Mustang that can come remotely close to LUNDS fastest and records……. Not to mention LUND doesn’t blow peoples motors up either….. its awful funny how pbd cars are all dropping like flies just like Stangmodes gt500….. LUND is on it and not only has better tuning but better drivability and longevity of the engine PERIOD!!!
Awesome video! Lund definitely seems smoother. As far as power and acceleration...further testing is needed. How about Steeda running 10:36 @ 131 MPH in their 2018 automatic NA Mustang GT---> WHOA!!!
Not biased here, but Stangmode was beating all kinds of cars with his 2018 NA GT. I think he was the one that made PBD a name on the web. Could be wrong, maybe they already had a name on the web. He was running 10’s. Good video’s too. Go take a look After watching this video, I like how Lund tunes the A10 better. Makes me want to trade in my 16 GT
@@pike1346 let’s put it this way he is shooting for 8s and lund has a stock unopened coyote in the 7s midnight performance stangmode gets a lot of attention but lund is the best in the mustang world
At 4:40 you see the wild Mustang catch the scent of nearby pedestrians. It attempts to re-direct itself in an attempt to run them down before being brought to heel by it's rider. The crisis is averted, for now.
My son has a 2019 fbo tuned by Alex..we live in a small town in Minnesota 🙂 hes been destroying about 80% of what he lines up against ..probably more like 90% and it hangs with stock hellcats in roll races. Both are badass tuners!! Hats off to Alex for tuning a killer 5.0 out here in Minnesota. Great video guys! Keep em coming!
Correction. Ken Bjonnes is who sold Lund his SCT Pro racer package. Palm beach as a company has been around less than Lund Racing. But Ken, has been around a lot longer than Lund tuning wise.
I got to say 1. Jesus christ I wish I lived close so Mrs Zander could put headers on my car....;) 2. Seriously I really like this entire series of videos and the tune comparisons, carried over to the dyno and then track...I very very very much like the comparison in stages that end up at track format..... Good idea
Running a VMP tune on my 2011 GT CJ setup and I feel it’s really solid and it also has that aggressive shift that happens at 7,500rpm. Haven’t been in a car tuned by anyone else because we don’t have a lot of Mustang people in town here. Good to see the comparison you’ve shown us! Both tuners are great!
I have a PBD dyno tune but I had them lower my shift point to 7500 and also turn the shift pressure down to more like stock. Without turning down the shift pressure all modes felt like drag mode. These cars are hard to tune they have so many modes and variants, but you can get it tuned how you like by either tuner I think.
@Trevor Berkheiser Mine were changed about 6 months ago to be less firm, not recently. The shift points were adjusted recently for me but I still use paddles most of the time anyway because I like paddle mode.
@@Zander13Productions havent tested it yet with a timer, but I think it feels better. I think with a dyno graph you can calculate the perfect shift point for any setup but I havent had mine dynoed. I do think its around 7500 judging by dynos with our mods though. With a SC optimum shift point goes up.
Great video!!! I thought you sh!t yourself there for a minute! That is why I’m scared to let anyone drive the GT500 on street tires. It’s crazy violent and loves to kick out very quick. I’m glad I don’t have to choose between those two tuners. It would be a hard decision for sure.
im very surprised it kicked out at all. in my roush stage 3 it wont kick lack that even in track mode. very tame and able to manipulate the car. I would say its a tire or driver error.
From what I’ve seen Lund is better, a local guy here in SoCal has beaten every PBD and VMP 3rd gen coyote, he even has less bolt ons, he especially pulls them up top, something Lund seems to be better at than everyone else, less timing seems to be his trick. I could already tell the Lund car in this video is a lot more consistent, shifts on point, nothing too crazy, just making good power.
Alfred Hernandez What’s up brotha. Lot of guys sending me this video. Great video. Lund/PBD are both top dogs, I’ve only tried Lund I got the tune/nguage on Labor Day special. Yes simple seems to be better potentially especially on the big end. I need long tubes badly I hear that daily lol
All of you DO understand that Ken owner of pbd worked for Lund as Lunds main tuner for years before opening pbd. You also should know Ken was instrumental in getting yolo down to Florida / Power by the hour way back when. Line pressure is lower is why the shifts feel different...
After watching the video, your car has a much more aggressive shift schedule in track mode, which reminds me of my Turbo 400 with shift kit, I'm not saying that's bad. The Lunds transmission schedule has been dialed in and more refined between shifts, they have done there research and development, I'm not stating PBD does not do that but, from the video, that's what I've noticed. Your car is set to kill mode.
Me too! The Lund tune just sounds Right in ALL the Right Places! Smooth shifts means less stress, and Right at the end of the power curve! Staying in the throttle for a little more HP isn't what gets you down the track fastest. TORQUE gets you down the track fastest. If I were to bet on which car would win, all other things being the same, I'd put my money on the Lund. Your buddy will have to lose a few pounds before All other things could be the same. Zander could leave his back seat in to equalize the weight, and help his rear-end HOOK. While you're friend can take his back seats out, even though he'll lose a little of the weight transfer effect. Then, All things might be considered the same. I suggest weighing each of your cars at the CAT Scale with each driver standing on the platform. Compare your weights, and make necessary adjustments to make All other things be the same. Then Race Em, and may the best tune WIN!
If after your buddy takes out his back seats he finds himself a little lighter than you, he can add a couple of bags of rocks strategically placed in the trunk just in front of the taillights to improve his weight transfer. Remember that Cat Scales are accurate, but they can only be accurate to within 20 pound increments.
Interesting video. Love the comparison and analysis. It's fascinating how the two cars feel so differently due to the tunes. Both cars are beautiful performance beasts!
Hopefully the other Alex does watch this video! I like the comparison and like how you allow us to decide which tune is better suited for us instead of telling us to go with one tune over the other.
Hopefully Lund see's me say that I can't stand to watch Alex Flores because all he does is curse constantly and act like a 10 year old sugared up annoying kid, he doesn't rep them well at all. @@Zander13Productions
Lund=street Palm beach tuning=track IMO. I just installed stainless power catless headers along with a Lund racing tune ( also have full exhaust and a pmas 120mm) and I can FULLY agree that the shifts are very smooth when in drive. Which is a great advantage for me since Im using my stang as a daily for now. I can also definitely agree that PB is nasty and combines great with supercharged/whippled stangs. Both tuners are great to have at the end of the day.
So far seems Lund wins. Palm Beach seems too aggressive leads to easy spin out. Lund less aggressive but more stable. What tires were on Lund tuned looked like Michelin
@@cmdrdredd Im saying he wins because hes on stock tire. Zander hasnt been able to hook on stock tires and has been trying to find right tires. Im sure they can change the tune though.
Drag mode always punches into the next gear, its a nice chirp on a prepped surface but straight spinning on the street,..Drag mode, TC & AdvanceTrac off is a recipe for disaster on the street surface...
11.15 @ 124 on Torrie's Unleashed Tuning, and that's without the new QA1 cf driveshaft installed yet. E85 on a Base '18 GT JLT cai, Pype's catless lt's, h pipe, MBRP axle back muffler delete, A10, RTR wheels 305 Nitto 05R's. Do a price comparison, Torrie will give you the choice of any 2 tunes you want just for buying the SCT BDX, I chose the E85 and 93 tunes. Also, Unleashed will data log all your tunes for free, as long as you want, with no time limit (neither Lund or PBD offer that, plus you pay for to get their flex fuel tunes, a lot more) I've heard issues with both Lund and PBD as far as people not liking the hesitation and the harsh/or lack of harsh shifts. I'll stick with my tuner, he really is the best. I expect to see high 10's after the new driveshaft WITHOUT pulling any weight off the car (meaning all seats intact). And for the record, Alex Flores acts like a sugared up 10 year old in his videos, so who cares what he thinks...
It took some dialing in. Best time was at 22 psi. Comparing my tune to your video results, my A10 shifts like the Lund tune when out of the throttle, very smooth, but turns into Mr. Hyde when you mash the throttle and rocks the car when it shifts like your PBD tune does. If I were closer, I'd offer to do a 3 way comparison of tuners, because I know mine compares in all performance aspects, and beats both Lund and PBD on price. @@Zander13Productions
I would like to add that: How much damage is being done to the transmission overtime? Would like to know how many runs do you get? What is the cost difference between the 2 tunes?
As I have said before, the pbd tune has a hesitation. Simply put. Went with Lund- ran faster. The hesitation is almost like it ran out of air and fuel.
I always felt the name The Curse suits it better, after all that it's been thru, but it also been thru a hell of a lot of Carnage, so obviously that name suits it just fine :-)
Glad to see this, dude. I'm looking at starting mods this summer, and that's going to be with CAI and tune. Not sure I've ever seen a comparison like this.
I dynoed both tunes back to back on my 2015 GT with whipple and the PB dyno tune made 40whp more. I compared Lund’s datalogs to even Whipple’s tune and he is extremely conservative.
There is a reason why people crash these cars ,the reaer struts, suspension set up etc. Sucks for the base 5.0's and also adding on top that the tires are too skinny in the rear and they dont catch on.
You should race each other dig/roll to see who’s faster! Anyway years ago I had a reputable mustang tuner get salty when he found out I tried another tuning company just to see the difference. Dude was nuts! The douchebag immediately cut me off from his tuning services. He also contacted my new tuner (he knew them personally apparently) and made up lies about me to them, they dropped me too. Btw I picked up two 10ths in my 2014 auto gt from just a transmission tune no engine tune. Loaded the tune at the track to see the difference. I prefer to feel the hard shifts over the smooth shifts, much more satisfying feeling.
Well, let's forget everything and listen to both cars when they shift. I'll go for Lund. Now the next step drag strip and we will see the results. Again I'll go for Lund all day.
Both of them are great tuners. Just always figure out what direction your going to choose on your build especially if you start tuning na then want to go boost. I say this due to having to buy a new tune after boosting my car. So talk to the tuning company about your plans to verify they will tune it!!!!!!
When you do 3 360's on the interstate and it stalls sideways with on coming traffic.... Text me!!! Lost a few yrs on my life that day I'm sure. Just so you guys know I didn't wreck or get hit. So lucky!!!! Keep up these videos Zander13
Lund Racing tuned Steeda's Silver Bullett. The world record 1/4 mile holder for a normally aspirated Mustang 10.25 @ 133.57 mph. I know who I would choose.
Well, and I can say this as a portly man. They would have to run each other then swap cars and run each other or weight them the cars and new dude be allowed to take out weight to equalize it... Aka they need to weight the same as they go down the strip but even that also changes static weight bias and affects traction so it's going to be hard to get a for real apples to apples.... However same weight down track and swap lanes 3 runs be great
Ricky Drone - in all fairness, how long has Ken Bjonnes been in the game / has had a solid track record of delivering quality service to customers? Lund and PBD are both legit.
@@powerandpose3217 :Totally agree with being biased. Here is a Lund tune from about five years ago. This car has been upgraded even more at the present time and is faster. ruclips.net/video/fdkhOTHsKis/видео.html
A lot of the shifting I think is in how or when the 10r80 was built. Our 17 raptor shifting way harder then our 18 raptor all stock both trucks. My 18 mustang seemed to shift way harder then any other 18 I ever road in an it was stock. I know the tunes can firm things up a lot but the extreme differences in stock 10r80s is crazy.
Yea Edelbrock on Stage 1 doesn't touch trans, and my hesitates before shifts from day 1....just like Zanders lately it shifts lower and lower rpm in drag mode didnt yours do that Underfed? Question here to give Zander the traffic
Supposed to be an intuitive transmission. Learns your driving style. Mustangs like all performance cars are hard to drive any one way for the trans to learn. There is a way to reset the trans and start over so to speak. Mine was shifting extremely hard when new. It has smoothed out amazingly. Research the reset. Won't hurt..might help. I didn't see it was underfed...You probably know this already....the
BlueCollarDaily the 17 raptor was horrible shifting up an down. Sometimes on the downshifts the ass end would lock up an slid. The 18 raptor is great in Baja mode it’s very firm an crisp shifts but in eco bitch mode it’s smooth an nice. My wife hates when I drive it I always use sport mode an it’s fun. But the 17 even in eco mode it was always looking for gears an shifting really hard. I believe the 17 had a recall an they were suppose to fix the valve body’s. But we didn’t own the 17 long enough for the recall to activate. But my 18 GT before the trans burned up the second gear hit was so hard in drag mode would knock my cameras off the windows when I had drag radials on it. After they rebuilt the trans I didn’t even get to drive it to see if the rebuild made any differences. I wonder now if the new valve body would of helped that 1-2 shift hit.
@@thereissomecoolstuff mine was same when when brand new I got some jerks downshifting easing up to stop signs ect and it would hold the higher gear to long going to lower on decel...and slam me in the seat in drag mode...now its WAY weaker shifting in drag mode stiff firm but not knock your socks off firm...and to me other than normal mode it seemed to relearn when I put the supercharger on it over time.... I need to research resetting it when I go to stage 2
@@bluecollardaily2676 pretty much the same here. I think you just need to disconnect the battery. Allison trans you used to repeatedly go 60 mph and drop the trans into low..it wouldn't do it due to the computer but it would reset.
It studdard because hes in dragstrip mode and the advance trac is active and when the tires break the car short shifts. If you had it in track mode the advance trac is off and it hammers at 78k every shift. Just sayn. Use the trans brake.
Good video the look on the guys face when he lost it was WTF funny, glad he kept it together. I think give me smoooooth over the head banger once again good video.
Palm beach is a very reputable tuner. But i think the best tuner in the country is abel racing out of OKC. He can put more reliable power in your ride than anyone. I've seen cars come from other shops with 800 whp but they had spark knock, abel took the same car got 950 whp and was perfect
You can’t get any better than Lund, I will back those dudes forever. They have the game held down on 10r80 cars and mustangs overall, they kick ass no better tuner than lund
“Faster” car comparison like this will be won by driver mod unless the same person drives both cars and is unbiassed. One of my cars has been tuned by both and the difference was 1-2 hp/tq with same times at the track. Good comparison tho.
Wow...you responded quickly. Lol. I follow a lot of car RUclips channels and I really appreciate the ones who take the time to reply. You, StangMode, and Speed Addict 731 do a great job responding. I know it’s hard for you to respond to all post, but it’s cool for the fans to get a response every now and then. I’m looking forward to what you have in store for Monday. Holla.
im tuned by palm beach dyno by the one who actually broke the record (Kyle Mason). ive been racing many fbo mustangs including 10-speeds that are tuned by lund and theyve all been getting walked !
Hey Zander, maybe I missed but I heard your buddy saying that the started in race+ mode, so your car does the aggressive shifting in all different driving modes? also, I am installing Corsa headers on my car today and I have BAMA tune, but I am definitely looking to change tuner. This video is perfect because I was considering both companies and VMP to tune my car.... For me it reduces to three main factors, better drivability, most horsepower, and reliability!!!!!
The fact that Lund doesn't have to talk shit about other tuning companies in order to get customers should say allot. Paramount (not palm beach dyno) trys to talk down other companies to get publicity from time to time and that says allot about the company. I'll take Lund everyday.
I have palm beach Dyno on my 2019 Mustang GT. I have to say it's on point. I'm fixing to get a Whipple 3.0 lv3 from Palm Beach Dyno in the near future. Only have JLT, Palm Tune, Armytrix Exhaust, so far. And it's incredibly aggressive. Can't wait to see it with supercharger. Or I might go turbocharger. Lean more to that Whipple 3.0. I do have my car in my channel. Thanks for sharing.
@@sawedoff1722 I went a totally different route with the car. Ended up sending it to Shelby and turn it into a Super Snake. Now just sits in the garage. 😩 That previous comment 3 years ago they both are good tuners. It was tune for E85 and 93. And it is still tune for it.
@@7DiceGaming oh damn 😂 yeah m8 I’m just a 18 year old kid with a budget just got a 2019 10 speed and I wanna know what’s the best thing to do first. Like if it’s a e85 tune a intake, exhausts, etc. I’m trying to make something for roll races
@@sawedoff1722 first thing cold air intake and tune. E85 and 93. You will see major differences. There is a video some where on RUclips of a guy taking a stock GT then adds a tune and JLT cold air. Just thoes 2 things and out runs a Roush with a Supercharger. It was crazy.
@@7DiceGaming nvm completely ignore what I just said if u saw that I read ur comment too fast. I’m not too familiar with modding and stuff tho as this is my first car and first one to mod. Will I need a tuning device that I purchase online to make this work if so what do I do cause I’m not quite sure how it works.
Funny how you bring up the whole thing about a rep from lung getting upset. I was tuned by both pbd and lund on my 16gt and was talking to one of the guys from lund, told him my plans and how i wanted to compare my tunes but not to bash either of them then he just completely went off and put me in queue with dasan... rip to the legend
@@Zander13Productions exactly....they're full of themselves. But I'd be defensive too if I was still using tunes from a guy that left and started his own thing..... PBD for the win..... Shoemaker is a helluva guy.
smooth and quick on the shift, Lund wins! its def a more refined tune, palm beach seems to extend the power band to long, my vote goes Lund hands down
especially for an actual TRACK. which does not mean a fucking straight drag strip.
LUND IS THE BEST! THEY HOLD ALL THE RECORDS PERIOD!
@@Marcus2750-u1t welp not anymore for NA mustangs anymore. PBD has it rtn at a 9.1 . Will definitely get to 8’s in the lower temperatures.
@@Seynxx ummmmm no…… pbd has yet to push ANY Mustang that can come remotely close to LUNDS fastest and records……. Not to mention LUND doesn’t blow peoples motors up either….. its awful funny how pbd cars are all dropping like flies just like Stangmodes gt500….. LUND is on it and not only has better tuning but better drivability and longevity of the engine PERIOD!!!
@@Marcus2750-u1t actually PBD has the fastest NA mustang in the 9.s. Go to midnight performance Instagram and there is plenty of videos.
Lund has tuned the quickest and fastest NA and boosted 2018-19 cars .. that’s all i have to say about that
That is fact
Awesome video! Lund definitely seems smoother. As far as power and acceleration...further testing is needed.
How about Steeda running 10:36 @ 131 MPH in their 2018 automatic NA Mustang GT---> WHOA!!!
Not biased here, but Stangmode was beating all kinds of cars with his 2018 NA GT. I think he was the one that made PBD a name on the web. Could be wrong, maybe they already had a name on the web. He was running 10’s. Good video’s too. Go take a look
After watching this video, I like how Lund tunes the A10 better. Makes me want to trade in my 16 GT
@@pike1346 let’s put it this way he is shooting for 8s and lund has a stock unopened coyote in the 7s midnight performance stangmode gets a lot of attention but lund is the best in the mustang world
@@johnbrown4568 think they ran a 9.9
At 4:40 you see the wild Mustang catch the scent of nearby pedestrians. It attempts to re-direct itself in an attempt to run them down before being brought to heel by it's rider. The crisis is averted, for now.
Alajandro Flores and Lund racing ftw!!! Good video guys
Find a street and do some roll racing against each other. 20, 40, and 60mph rolls!
Digs
Rolls, schmolls! Go to the dragstrip! Racing on the street is for morons!
Gay
Marlon Medina well said
My son has a 2019 fbo tuned by Alex..we live in a small town in Minnesota 🙂 hes been destroying about 80% of what he lines up against ..probably more like 90% and it hangs with stock hellcats in roll races. Both are badass tuners!! Hats off to Alex for tuning a killer 5.0 out here in Minnesota. Great video guys! Keep em coming!
Jon Lund peesonally tuned my 5.0 and it was hands down better than any other tune i tried.
@Andrew V yup.
YES!!! LUND is best!
I wish yall wud have done a good ol 50roll in mexico against each other and see the results😎. Either way both cars are sick.
BICHO's tune FTW lol.
Tony M lmao!! Good one. Lund ftw
Had Lund on my 18 as you felt very smooth loved the shift points shifting right at peak torque which is great
Correction. Ken Bjonnes is who sold Lund his SCT Pro racer package. Palm beach as a company has been around less than Lund Racing. But Ken, has been around a lot longer than Lund tuning wise.
Jay Rubin THIS. Ken tuned my 2v mustang in 2005 when he was running Modular Depot!!
LUND seems to put less strain on the machine while maintaining excellent output.
I can't wait to see you guys run at the strip! 💯
I bet the Trans will hold up better with Lund tuning
I have a 2017 auto and running GT350 mani and PBD tune. I blows my 305 pilot sports off in 2nd and 3rd! PBD does shift HARD!
That car has a mind of its own. Luckily you guys were okay on the spin out. That could have been very bad.
Oh yes lol 😎
Go to Mexico and race...problem solved.
Keep the Lund vs PBD videos coming PLEASE!!!
Dyno both cars on dedicated e85 tunes same dyno, same day. Dragstrip will be interesting as well.
LUND FTW!
I got to say
1. Jesus christ I wish I lived close so Mrs Zander could put headers on my car....;)
2. Seriously I really like this entire series of videos and the tune comparisons, carried over to the dyno and then track...I very very very much like the comparison in stages that end up at track format.....
Good idea
Monday video of dyno should turn some heads too. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Running a VMP tune on my 2011 GT CJ setup and I feel it’s really solid and it also has that aggressive shift that happens at 7,500rpm. Haven’t been in a car tuned by anyone else because we don’t have a lot of Mustang people in town here. Good to see the comparison you’ve shown us! Both tuners are great!
I have a PBD dyno tune but I had them lower my shift point to 7500 and also turn the shift pressure down to more like stock. Without turning down the shift pressure all modes felt like drag mode. These cars are hard to tune they have so many modes and variants, but you can get it tuned how you like by either tuner I think.
I'm tuned by Lund it run 11.30 with stock wheels on M/t ss tire
@Trevor Berkheiser Mine were changed about 6 months ago to be less firm, not recently. The shift points were adjusted recently for me but I still use paddles most of the time anyway because I like paddle mode.
Did you run faster times with a lower redline at 7500?
@@Zander13Productions havent tested it yet with a timer, but I think it feels better. I think with a dyno graph you can calculate the perfect shift point for any setup but I havent had mine dynoed. I do think its around 7500 judging by dynos with our mods though. With a SC optimum shift point goes up.
That’s just it, a good tuner can adjust for the customer’s goals or wants.
Great video!!! I thought you sh!t yourself there for a minute!
That is why I’m scared to let anyone drive the GT500 on street tires. It’s crazy violent and loves to kick out very quick.
I’m glad I don’t have to choose between those two tuners. It would be a hard decision for sure.
Yeah his car reacted differently than mine does.
Jeremy Winslow wasn’t your fault you just didn’t expect it to do what it did since you were used to yours. I know how that is.
Goodyear F1 life Ken lol
Lorne Mann 😂😂😂 if you roll in real easy you may be ok lol.
My last video I got into it a little but I was on my drag setup 😎
im very surprised it kicked out at all. in my roush stage 3 it wont kick lack that even in track mode. very tame and able to manipulate the car. I would say its a tire or driver error.
He almost owed you a 10 sec car Lmao 😂 Great content Zander
From what I’ve seen Lund is better, a local guy here in SoCal has beaten every PBD and VMP 3rd gen coyote, he even has less bolt ons, he especially pulls them up top, something Lund seems to be better at than everyone else, less timing seems to be his trick. I could already tell the Lund car in this video is a lot more consistent, shifts on point, nothing too crazy, just making good power.
Alfred Hernandez What’s up brotha. Lot of guys sending me this video. Great video. Lund/PBD are both top dogs, I’ve only tried Lund I got the tune/nguage on Labor Day special. Yes simple seems to be better potentially especially on the big end. I need long tubes badly I hear that daily lol
Matt_7sixty Gt haha right on man, I had a feeling this video would catch your attention. Your car runs great, no doubt about it.
Matt_7sixty Gt #SEAFOAM with the GAP LMFAOOOOO
All of you DO understand that Ken owner of pbd worked for Lund as Lunds main tuner for years before opening pbd.
You also should know Ken was instrumental in getting yolo down to Florida / Power by the hour way back when. Line pressure is lower is why the shifts feel different...
I would prefer Lund transmission schedule over PBD tune.
Why so. Just curious
After watching the video, your car has a much more aggressive shift schedule in track mode, which reminds me of my Turbo 400 with shift kit, I'm not saying that's bad. The Lunds transmission schedule has been dialed in and more refined between shifts, they have done there research and development, I'm not stating PBD does not do that but, from the video, that's what I've noticed. Your car is set to kill mode.
My car only does the lagy shifts when advanced track isn't off
Me too! The Lund tune just sounds Right in ALL the Right Places! Smooth shifts means less stress, and Right at the end of the power curve! Staying in the throttle for a little more HP isn't what gets you down the track fastest. TORQUE gets you down the track fastest. If I were to bet on which car would win, all other things being the same, I'd put my money on the Lund. Your buddy will have to lose a few pounds before All other things could be the same. Zander could leave his back seat in to equalize the weight, and help his rear-end HOOK. While you're friend can take his back seats out, even though he'll lose a little of the weight transfer effect. Then, All things might be considered the same. I suggest weighing each of your cars at the CAT Scale with each driver standing on the platform. Compare your weights, and make necessary adjustments to make All other things be the same. Then Race Em, and may the best tune WIN!
If after your buddy takes out his back seats he finds himself a little lighter than you, he can add a couple of bags of rocks strategically placed in the trunk just in front of the taillights to improve his weight transfer. Remember that Cat Scales are accurate, but they can only be accurate to within 20 pound increments.
Interesting video. Love the comparison and analysis. It's fascinating how the two cars feel so differently due to the tunes. Both cars are beautiful performance beasts!
Lund shifts sound way faster, the PBD tune sounded almost like a 6R80 shifting lol
I love seeing those beautiful red beasts !!
Really comes down to personal preference.
Both are good tuners, but I have noticed PBD seems to have more blown up cars than lund with less clients
Hopefully the other Alex does watch this video! I like the comparison and like how you allow us to decide which tune is better suited for us instead of telling us to go with one tune over the other.
That was the goal when we talked about it. Just be objective.
Exactly. Hopefully the Lund guys will see it
Hopefully Lund see's me say that I can't stand to watch Alex Flores because all he does is curse constantly and act like a 10 year old sugared up annoying kid, he doesn't rep them well at all. @@Zander13Productions
Duck dynasty needs to learn to drive lol.
That's some funny sheit.
Lund=street Palm beach tuning=track IMO. I just installed stainless power catless headers along with a Lund racing tune ( also have full exhaust and a pmas 120mm) and I can FULLY agree that the shifts are very smooth when in drive. Which is a great advantage for me since Im using my stang as a daily for now. I can also definitely agree that PB is nasty and combines great with supercharged/whippled stangs. Both tuners are great to have at the end of the day.
I love PBD
So far seems Lund wins. Palm Beach seems too aggressive leads to easy spin out. Lund less aggressive but more stable. What tires were on Lund tuned looked like Michelin
Factory MPS4S
@@jeremywinslow7345 Ok then Lund def wins.
Laxie Sanders lol win what? That spin out was from driver error. If the tires don’t grip you’re done...get off the throttle
@@cmdrdredd is right, I screwed up. I wasnt used to how his car reacts to shifts.
@@cmdrdredd Im saying he wins because hes on stock tire. Zander hasnt been able to hook on stock tires and has been trying to find right tires. Im sure they can change the tune though.
Excellent content, please do more stuff like this! Tuner/Intake/etc comparisons on the dyno or preferably on a drag strip.
Go somewhere and line up side by side and find out which is better/faster! Very Easy! 😄
Im thinking about switching from PBD to Lund because of the transmission shifts and the higher RPM from PBD.
I almost peed myself on that 360. 😂🤣
Drag mode always punches into the next gear, its a nice chirp on a prepped surface but straight spinning on the street,..Drag mode, TC & AdvanceTrac off is a recipe for disaster on the street surface...
11.15 @ 124 on Torrie's Unleashed Tuning, and that's without the new QA1 cf driveshaft installed yet. E85 on a Base '18 GT JLT cai, Pype's catless lt's, h pipe, MBRP axle back muffler delete, A10, RTR wheels 305 Nitto 05R's. Do a price comparison, Torrie will give you the choice of any 2 tunes you want just for buying the SCT BDX, I chose the E85 and 93 tunes. Also, Unleashed will data log all your tunes for free, as long as you want, with no time limit (neither Lund or PBD offer that, plus you pay for to get their flex fuel tunes, a lot more) I've heard issues with both Lund and PBD as far as people not liking the hesitation and the harsh/or lack of harsh shifts. I'll stick with my tuner, he really is the best. I expect to see high 10's after the new driveshaft WITHOUT pulling any weight off the car (meaning all seats intact). And for the record, Alex Flores acts like a sugared up 10 year old in his videos, so who cares what he thinks...
11.1 is fast for your mods on Nitto tires 💪💪💪💪💪💪
It took some dialing in. Best time was at 22 psi. Comparing my tune to your video results, my A10 shifts like the Lund tune when out of the throttle, very smooth, but turns into Mr. Hyde when you mash the throttle and rocks the car when it shifts like your PBD tune does. If I were closer, I'd offer to do a 3 way comparison of tuners, because I know mine compares in all performance aspects, and beats both Lund and PBD on price.
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You guys need to stop letting other people drive your cars.... WTF
on this episode of wifeswap.
I agree i won't let my wife drive my truck my son is the only person to drive my shit.
Gotta do it for the clot or whatever it's called lol
Looking forward to the next video in this series.
Monday 💪😎
Damn Zander13 @0:16 your buddy scare the shit out of me bro lol 😂😂 😂😂 😂
If you're doing a head to head then Zander needs about 150lbs of ballast - don't forget!
The shift hesitation on the pb tune is an issue.
And you can hear it.. Never noticed it until he drove the Lund tuned car..
its a 1-3 not a 1-2 is why
Noiz traction control was probably on and it shifted into the wrong gear...
I would like to add that: How much damage is being done to the transmission overtime? Would like to know how many runs do you get? What is the cost difference between the 2 tunes?
As I have said before, the pbd tune has a hesitation. Simply put. Went with Lund- ran faster. The hesitation is almost like it ran out of air and fuel.
It sounds like a spark cut during the shift. I guess PBD has a little more Torque management when shifting.
Carnage almost struck again!
I always felt the name The Curse suits it better, after all that it's been thru, but it also been thru a hell of a lot of Carnage, so obviously that name suits it just fine :-)
Getting my 10 speed mustang in a few months! Lund racing will be the first I go to and will be starting my RUclips channel
Glad to see this, dude. I'm looking at starting mods this summer, and that's going to be with CAI and tune. Not sure I've ever seen a comparison like this.
Glad I can help. I honestly love my PBD tune
I really like the burgundy with black trim on Jeremy's car, although Carnage's red and black scheme also looks great.
Ruby red is not burgundy royal crimson is lol
my ear dyno loves the way that lund tune sounds and acts...revs and shifts like tq converted dragster should.
I personally loved this video. It answered a few questions I had. Especially about my track day.
No two cars are the same. For a true comparison, you have to do the 2 tunes on the same car to see if there is a real difference. Love the video.
Great point!
I dynoed both tunes back to back on my 2015 GT with whipple and the PB dyno tune made 40whp more. I compared Lund’s datalogs to even Whipple’s tune and he is extremely conservative.
PBD FTW!💪
To even go up against Lund is a huge Accomplishment
There is a reason why people crash these cars ,the reaer struts, suspension set up etc. Sucks for the base 5.0's and also adding on top that the tires are too skinny in the rear and they dont catch on.
The thing to keep in mind and its car dependent, for quicker et's you want to just about run out of gear rolling into the traps.
great video - this type of info was very helpful in helping me decide which tune for my Mustang given what I want/prefer. THX FA
Oakley Gascan sunglasses are in the glovebox of all mustangs after 2000 😂
I thought the name "Carnage" had nothing to do with this cars luck but after this video I'm a believer that you need to change the name.
The Curse
You should race each other dig/roll to see who’s faster!
Anyway years ago I had a reputable mustang tuner get salty when he found out I tried another tuning company just to see the difference. Dude was nuts! The douchebag immediately cut me off from his tuning services. He also contacted my new tuner (he knew them personally apparently) and made up lies about me to them, they dropped me too.
Btw I picked up two 10ths in my 2014 auto gt from just a transmission tune no engine tune. Loaded the tune at the track to see the difference.
I prefer to feel the hard shifts over the smooth shifts, much more satisfying feeling.
Well, let's forget everything and listen to both cars when they shift. I'll go for Lund. Now the next step drag strip and we will see the results. Again I'll go for Lund all day.
Both of them are great tuners. Just always figure out what direction your going to choose on your build especially if you start tuning na then want to go boost. I say this due to having to buy a new tune after boosting my car. So talk to the tuning company about your plans to verify they will tune it!!!!!!
When you do 3 360's on the interstate and it stalls sideways with on coming traffic.... Text me!!! Lost a few yrs on my life that day I'm sure. Just so you guys know I didn't wreck or get hit. So lucky!!!! Keep up these videos Zander13
Dude with Yolo tune needs weight reduction
Lund Racing tuned Steeda's Silver Bullett. The world record 1/4 mile holder for a normally aspirated Mustang 10.25 @ 133.57 mph. I know who I would choose.
Yeah and that engine still hasn't been opened. No cams no head work no forged internals.😂
You will only know when you take them to the dragstrip...
Well, and I can say this as a portly man. They would have to run each other then swap cars and run each other or weight them the cars and new dude be allowed to take out weight to equalize it...
Aka they need to weight the same as they go down the strip but even that also changes static weight bias and affects traction so it's going to be hard to get a for real apples to apples....
However same weight down track and swap lanes 3 runs be great
How does lund tune car feel zander
Video is out now!
Have u n him run each other at the track yet
stangbangin' coyote not yet
I think I just shit my pants!!!! IRS loves to come around quickly.....your honest reactions were hilarious. Thankfully no accident.
Is IRS any more likely to come around then a solid rear?
seems to much weight on one side
Lmao
U may be able to get either tuner to tweak the shifts for smooth or hard gear changes
Yes exactly
Palm Beach = Ear and seat candy
Lund= Years of research for optimal performance.
Whatever floats your boat and the choice is up to you !!!
Ricky Drone - in all fairness, how long has Ken Bjonnes been in the game / has had a solid track record of delivering quality service to customers?
Lund and PBD are both legit.
lol biased comments if I’ve ever seen one. Both are legit and make great power and drivability
I wouldnt say which is "better" it's more of which do you prefer. I like the way the Lund tune shifts better, however that is personal preference.
@@powerandpose3217 :Totally agree with being biased. Here is a Lund tune from about five years ago. This car has been upgraded even more at the present time and is faster.
ruclips.net/video/fdkhOTHsKis/видео.html
I’m currently running a Lund 91-93 tune and I have the MT-82.
Ironhead704...The tune is great. Installed it with the Ngauge with ease, emailed data log back to Lund, tune came back spot on. No revision needed.
A lot of the shifting I think is in how or when the 10r80 was built. Our 17 raptor shifting way harder then our 18 raptor all stock both trucks. My 18 mustang seemed to shift way harder then any other 18 I ever road in an it was stock. I know the tunes can firm things up a lot but the extreme differences in stock 10r80s is crazy.
Yea Edelbrock on Stage 1 doesn't touch trans, and my hesitates before shifts from day 1....just like Zanders lately it shifts lower and lower rpm in drag mode didnt yours do that Underfed?
Question here to give Zander the traffic
Supposed to be an intuitive transmission. Learns your driving style. Mustangs like all performance cars are hard to drive any one way for the trans to learn. There is a way to reset the trans and start over so to speak. Mine was shifting extremely hard when new. It has smoothed out amazingly. Research the reset. Won't hurt..might help. I didn't see it was underfed...You probably know this already....the
BlueCollarDaily the 17 raptor was horrible shifting up an down. Sometimes on the downshifts the ass end would lock up an slid. The 18 raptor is great in Baja mode it’s very firm an crisp shifts but in eco bitch mode it’s smooth an nice. My wife hates when I drive it I always use sport mode an it’s fun. But the 17 even in eco mode it was always looking for gears an shifting really hard. I believe the 17 had a recall an they were suppose to fix the valve body’s. But we didn’t own the 17 long enough for the recall to activate. But my 18 GT before the trans burned up the second gear hit was so hard in drag mode would knock my cameras off the windows when I had drag radials on it. After they rebuilt the trans I didn’t even get to drive it to see if the rebuild made any differences. I wonder now if the new valve body would of helped that 1-2 shift hit.
@@thereissomecoolstuff mine was same when when brand new I got some jerks downshifting easing up to stop signs ect and it would hold the higher gear to long going to lower on decel...and slam me in the seat in drag mode...now its WAY weaker shifting in drag mode stiff firm but not knock your socks off firm...and to me other than normal mode it seemed to relearn when I put the supercharger on it over time....
I need to research resetting it when I go to stage 2
@@bluecollardaily2676 pretty much the same here. I think you just need to disconnect the battery. Allison trans you used to repeatedly go 60 mph and drop the trans into low..it wouldn't do it due to the computer but it would reset.
It studdard because hes in dragstrip mode and the advance trac is active and when the tires break the car short shifts. If you had it in track mode the advance trac is off and it hammers at 78k every shift. Just sayn. Use the trans brake.
Good video the look on the guys face when he lost it was WTF funny, glad he kept it together. I think give me smoooooth over the head banger once again good video.
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Well y’all need to get 2 different drivers of the same weight to test this too ..
Just swap drivers with the other person's car after the 1st pass and compare.
saleen367 yeah that’s too but they have to be carful because as we saw they don’t know they others car ....
Palm beach is a very reputable tuner. But i think the best tuner in the country is abel racing out of OKC. He can put more reliable power in your ride than anyone. I've seen cars come from other shops with 800 whp but they had spark knock, abel took the same car got 950 whp and was perfect
It’s not to say which tune is better, but the differences. Scary moment you two had right there. He did stay in it too long.
Love my palm Beach dyno tune !!
Me too
LUND is way better! They hold ALL the records period…….
@@Marcus2750-u1t Lund is a great tuner. Nothing against them . It's all about your choice but I love my Palm Beach dyno tune. Period
Gimme the Lund tune on the street, and the Palm Beach "change your shorts afterward" tune on the strip IMO.
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You can’t get any better than Lund, I will back those dudes forever. They have the game held down on 10r80 cars and mustangs overall, they kick ass no better tuner than lund
“Faster” car comparison like this will be won by driver mod unless the same person drives both cars and is unbiassed. One of my cars has been tuned by both and the difference was 1-2 hp/tq with same times at the track. Good comparison tho.
Love this comparison video. I love watching Alex’s channel. I can’t wait to see the race and dyno vids. Holla.
Dyno video coming Monday. It might surprise you
Wow...you responded quickly. Lol. I follow a lot of car RUclips channels and I really appreciate the ones who take the time to reply. You, StangMode, and Speed Addict 731 do a great job responding. I know it’s hard for you to respond to all post, but it’s cool for the fans to get a response every now and then. I’m looking forward to what you have in store for Monday. Holla.
Thanks. I strive to be as fast as possible. After all. It’s the fans that make all this possible 💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏
Get a ported cobra jet and you will not regret it
Yes
im tuned by palm beach dyno by the one who actually broke the record (Kyle Mason). ive been racing many fbo mustangs including 10-speeds that are tuned by lund and theyve all been getting walked !
Wow never take the stability control off. And buy a dragy to compare.
the car will pull power and apply brakes when it shifts if you leave the stability control on...if you wanna go fast, you turn it off.
@@buckeyeman7631 better safe then sorry
Ricardo Simon more like learn when to let out instead of staying in it lmao
@@1jcm7 yeah but not everyone thinks this way
Ricardo Simon you’re 100% right, exactly why I’ll never do a dig with tc off without my drs on haha
Hey Zander, maybe I missed but I heard your buddy saying that the started in race+ mode, so your car does the aggressive shifting in all different driving modes?
also, I am installing Corsa headers on my car today and I have BAMA tune, but I am definitely looking to change tuner. This video is perfect because I was considering both companies and VMP to tune my car....
For me it reduces to three main factors, better drivability, most horsepower, and reliability!!!!!
You feel it in every mode, it gets more pronounced in track and drag.
What about the gearing between the 2 cars? That would make more of a difference than the tune.. imo
Both are 3.55
Lund got a 10R80 to shift like a dct-that's unbelievable--
Almost another trip to the body shop. I'm glad it ended well.
Me too 😳
I was pissed with that spin out
Why? They were having fun.
Do a 50 roll with each other, easiest way to see who is quicker.
Carnage transmission on the way out.
He has had trouble with it from day one
The fact that Lund doesn't have to talk shit about other tuning companies in order to get customers should say allot. Paramount (not palm beach dyno) trys to talk down other companies to get publicity from time to time and that says allot about the company. I'll take Lund everyday.
Lund actually does talk shit. Look at Alex Flores- YOLO. That’s all he does...
I like the hard shift👍
Me too
Zander13 If it’s not shifting in hard it’s slipping in easy you’re losing time or seconds on the track👍
Good point
I have palm beach Dyno on my 2019 Mustang GT. I have to say it's on point. I'm fixing to get a Whipple 3.0 lv3 from Palm Beach Dyno in the near future. Only have JLT, Palm Tune, Armytrix Exhaust, so far. And it's incredibly aggressive. Can't wait to see it with supercharger. Or I might go turbocharger. Lean more to that Whipple 3.0.
I do have my car in my channel.
Thanks for sharing.
What did u end up getting and how was it?
@@sawedoff1722 I went a totally different route with the car. Ended up sending it to Shelby and turn it into a Super Snake. Now just sits in the garage. 😩
That previous comment 3 years ago they both are good tuners. It was tune for E85 and 93. And it is still tune for it.
@@7DiceGaming oh damn 😂 yeah m8 I’m just a 18 year old kid with a budget just got a 2019 10 speed and I wanna know what’s the best thing to do first. Like if it’s a e85 tune a intake, exhausts, etc. I’m trying to make something for roll races
@@sawedoff1722 first thing cold air intake and tune. E85 and 93. You will see major differences. There is a video some where on RUclips of a guy taking a stock GT then adds a tune and JLT cold air. Just thoes 2 things and out runs a Roush with a Supercharger. It was crazy.
@@7DiceGaming nvm completely ignore what I just said if u saw that I read ur comment too fast. I’m not too familiar with modding and stuff tho as this is my first car and first one to mod. Will I need a tuning device that I purchase online to make this work if so what do I do cause I’m not quite sure how it works.
Funny how you bring up the whole thing about a rep from lung getting upset. I was tuned by both pbd and lund on my 16gt and was talking to one of the guys from lund, told him my plans and how i wanted to compare my tunes but not to bash either of them then he just completely went off and put me in queue with dasan... rip to the legend
I very much prefer my PBD tune. The Lund staff seem to be on the defense most of the time. It can be very child like.
@@Zander13Productions exactly....they're full of themselves. But I'd be defensive too if I was still using tunes from a guy that left and started his own thing..... PBD for the win..... Shoemaker is a helluva guy.