Link Is DEAD In Legend Of Zelda! 💀

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  • Опубликовано: 26 апр 2023
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    Friends, today we're throwing it WAY back to The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask. After a revisit, I'm not sure I remembered just how DARK this game was. So dark, in fact, that I believe that Link actually DIES in it. That's right Loyal Theorists, Link is DEAD!
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  • @slimeblue4873
    @slimeblue4873 Год назад +15568

    The only flaw in this theory is that the Hero's shade has a seemingly adult form. So Link wouldn't have died while he was young. You could argue that link has grown up and then is sent to purgatory as young link, but then you'd have to ask why? Termina is most likely just another place in the world considering skull kid has a history with that region.

    • @troumo
      @troumo Год назад +719

      That and he refers to TP Link as a descendent.

    • @DetectiveRage
      @DetectiveRage Год назад +699

      And the fact that his body's buried in a grave in the Hyrule Castle courtyard, which implies that he eventually returned to Hyrule and performed deeds worthy enough for the Royal Family to bury him there.

    • @colin3ds1
      @colin3ds1 Год назад +564

      I actually think the fact we play as child link kind of makes the theory a little darker
      Link didnt die as a child but as an adult
      Through all of link's trauma he clung on to the hope he could find his only mentor his only friend
      His guide in navi
      Link never gives up he survives wandering the lost forest until he is an adult
      He appears as a child in majora because he symbolically never grew up he couldnt let his childhood go
      The hero's shade says that he regrets how he never was able to pass on his skill
      This is because his entire life he couldnt let go of navi and what she represented

    • @Dodocook712
      @Dodocook712 Год назад +27

      Sigh i all most pity him

    • @brettwilliams9113
      @brettwilliams9113 Год назад +13

      333rd like!!

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Год назад +4810

    Next video MatPat is gonna gaslight everyone into believing we are dead

    • @a_marshmallow_called_luka
      @a_marshmallow_called_luka Год назад +97

      I'm not matpat but I came here to tell you that ur ded

    • @theduckgamerr
      @theduckgamerr Год назад +41

      you. are. everywhere. how.

    • @ededen_
      @ededen_ Год назад +27

      HOW CAN YOU BE EVERYWHERE ??!

    • @johnmcwick1
      @johnmcwick1 Год назад +7

      Hahahaha I came here to say the exact same things (replying comments)!
      You are everywhere at once! Always first to comment before any of us!!
      Mumbo
      Here!
      Where else?! I’ve seen you eslewhere!

    • @Sarlasmancranmaji
      @Sarlasmancranmaji Год назад +11

      Most of us are dead inside already.

  • @lukeavrion3950
    @lukeavrion3950 Год назад +749

    bro just summoned zeltic to make a 50 minute video on why this is flawed💀💀

    • @carolinelara4323
      @carolinelara4323 9 месяцев назад +11

      Fr😂😂😂😂

    • @Chaos89P
      @Chaos89P 7 месяцев назад +10

      Seriously?! Sounds like a must watch.

    • @LavenderXCupcake
      @LavenderXCupcake 6 месяцев назад +2

      That dudes channel is bleh

    • @timonobel615
      @timonobel615 5 месяцев назад +3

      But like the whole point is that there are a bunch of different links

    • @lamxdblessed3383
      @lamxdblessed3383 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@timonobel615It is not

  • @anthonycurby4606
    @anthonycurby4606 Год назад +846

    It's actually Navi that does, and this is Link overcoming his grief

    • @overvoidlurk9028
      @overvoidlurk9028 Год назад +25

      I agree.

    • @catdownthestreet
      @catdownthestreet 8 месяцев назад +10

      Yeah. That was the entire plot of MM. But Termina isn't a dream world, otherwise I believe Lorule would have to be as well.

    • @arcticfluffyfoxy
      @arcticfluffyfoxy 4 месяца назад

      yeah I'm guessing mat pat forgot that Navi died

    • @dwaynemorgan2922
      @dwaynemorgan2922 3 месяца назад

      I feel like Link doesn't experience "Death" like we do. The Deku tree protects the Hero. He went looking for Navi n got lost in the woods n his version of death is the deku tree testing his spirit...n if he fails he becomes a Evermean and eventually an Ogretree. Cause the koroks are lost children who spread the deku tree's magic. BOOM!

  • @rafaynoman1180
    @rafaynoman1180 Год назад +3869

    Matpat: Link is dead
    Everyone: How many times do we have to teach this lesson to you old man?

    • @daddyconnly
      @daddyconnly Год назад +366

      I mean, since Link keeps getting reincarnated. He's technically not wrong.

    • @deathtaco4095
      @deathtaco4095 Год назад +119

      i mean he is dead the question is when he died.

    • @emilioegas9275
      @emilioegas9275 Год назад +56

      is not the same link in all the games is just different generations of the hero

    • @joycondrift
      @joycondrift Год назад +30

      ​@@user-be4zd7nc7d cool but like who asked

    • @lincolnreid1719
      @lincolnreid1719 Год назад +3

      Lol

  • @Chaos89P
    @Chaos89P Год назад +3910

    One MAJOR problem: The Link from Twilight Princess is confirmed to be the Hero of Time's descendent.

    • @Cat-_-Cat
      @Cat-_-Cat Год назад +354

      Noooo, link clearly got it on when he was 10 years old.

    • @Burning.Lion08
      @Burning.Lion08 Год назад +44

      @@Cat-_-Cat 🤣🤣🤣

    • @sarcasm-aplenty
      @sarcasm-aplenty Год назад +132

      Obviously Majora's mask is just a fever dream or a Lorule situation. Oops wandered into a second world

    • @mesmorrow
      @mesmorrow Год назад +20

      ​@@Cat-_-Cat Why would you write that?

    • @oliverainsworth232
      @oliverainsworth232 Год назад +24

      link consistently is able to come back from death so i don’t think that matters he probably just found a way out

  • @marcusquiros
    @marcusquiros Год назад +58

    Bro started a war with the actual Zelda community

  • @quillsftw
    @quillsftw Год назад +626

    Yeah except the shade is an adult. The shade is also the ancestor of TP's link. The shade is also a seasoned warrior with many techniques. MM does have a lot of themes of death but also a lot of themes of growing up and losing innocence.
    It's more likely that the stages of grief are related to the loss of Navi, which is why he's in Termina in the first place. Link returns from Termina, having accepted the losing his friend.
    Because Ganondorf was taken down before the events of the adult timeline take place, a war erupted with the Gerudo. Link became a knight who eventually died in the war, possibly, like his mother, in the lost woods, becoming a Stalfos.
    Also to add that because TP's Link is a farm hand, OoT/MM Link possibly married Malon.

    • @oystersaucee_
      @oystersaucee_ Год назад +14

      honestly everything you said, other than the shade being an adult, serves to back up the theory even more lmfao

    • @insertnamehere9975
      @insertnamehere9975 Год назад +27

      @@oystersaucee_ahh yes ten year olds having children backs up this theory.

    • @oystersaucee_
      @oystersaucee_ Год назад +5

      @@insertnamehere9975 did you never consider link can grow up?

    • @insertnamehere9975
      @insertnamehere9975 Год назад +14

      @@oystersaucee_ but | thought he died at 10?

    • @annieandelsieofarendelle3294
      @annieandelsieofarendelle3294 11 месяцев назад +10

      They could also represent Link’s loss innocence and the fact he has to accept the fact he’s the hero which means he has to be the one to deal with the suffering that comes with that fact.

  • @ceilinh6004
    @ceilinh6004 Год назад +2930

    Clearly, MatPat needs to revisit the timeline. In detail. It'll be a nice break from FNAF. 😂

    • @Burning.Lion08
      @Burning.Lion08 Год назад +17

      Yup 😂

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE Год назад +7

      ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E

    • @arsenic.01
      @arsenic.01 Год назад +64

      I like how Matpats break from confusing timelines is more confusing timelines

    • @watchf
      @watchf Год назад +8

      Bruh this video was 9 years old.

    • @miguelcustodio2026
      @miguelcustodio2026 Год назад +27

      ​@@watchfthe worst part is that he doubles down on a theory that was proven wrong and that he knows is wrong and have admitted in other old videos that this theory is of the worst he ever did

  • @theroadrunner6880
    @theroadrunner6880 Год назад +847

    Wait until Mat Pat learns every single link is technically a different character according to Nintendo. But also, Hero's Shade specifically has info saying he "lamented being sent back to his childhood and unable to pass on his teachings since no one remembered him". But he's an adult, which means he didn't die in Termina.

    • @ujingamer
      @ujingamer Год назад +32

      No certain links do go on multiple adventures oot and mm, loz and 2, link to the past link goes on 4 adventures with lttp, ooa, oos, and la, and link between worlds and triforce heroes and more.

    • @theroadrunner6880
      @theroadrunner6880 Год назад +16

      @@ujingamer I meant those without continuity but I get your point.

    • @Anti-HyperLink
      @Anti-HyperLink Год назад +5

      He obviously knows that based on this theory involving two Links.

    • @buzzsawwyrm1595
      @buzzsawwyrm1595 Год назад +1

      @@ujingamer botw and ToTK

    • @doofuscawt
      @doofuscawt Год назад +1

      oot link and tp link are related

  • @willashley177
    @willashley177 Год назад +70

    Imagine defeating Ganondorf then dying when you trip over

    • @stormywalnut
      @stormywalnut Год назад +3

      personally i’d never take that kind of disrespect, but that’s just me

    • @lio1shibossi
      @lio1shibossi 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@stormywalnutwhat wold you do stab the ground

    • @CyberDucke
      @CyberDucke 5 месяцев назад

      @@lio1shibossi*Dark fountain appeares*

    • @ExtemTheHedgehogLol
      @ExtemTheHedgehogLol 4 месяца назад +1

      @@CyberDucke Zeldarune

  • @YxndereBxnny69
    @YxndereBxnny69 Год назад +119

    When the happy mask salesman tells Link "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?" He isn't referring to him being dead. He's more than likely referring to how Link has been trapped as a Deku Shrub and isn't able to go back to being human (At that point in the game)

  • @mrfunnyshoes667
    @mrfunnyshoes667 Год назад +2415

    I always interpreted the 5 stages of grief in Majora's Mask to be about Link learning to accept that his friend Navi is gone and learning to move on with his life rather than him being dead.

    • @stephenaulin2628
      @stephenaulin2628 Год назад +34

      Yeah same here

    • @scribblenut9443
      @scribblenut9443 Год назад +48

      I’m pretty sure it is because majoras mask is not in the fallen line

    • @MarcoBayod_MB
      @MarcoBayod_MB Год назад +24

      I played wrong this game years ago, as an old Zelda fan, I was just clearing temples to get to the end, never pay attention to the sidequest, never finished a lot of them, now thanks to the internet I got that the game was the sidequest, for that reason I was mad when I finished the game because there was no Navi, I was hoping for her to return at the end, I skipped grief.

    • @tumultuousv
      @tumultuousv Год назад +1

      @@MarcoBayod_MB sigh.

    • @Natsukiisbest
      @Natsukiisbest Год назад +1

      Yeah. Never played Majora's Mask, but i know the lore

  • @alananderson1615
    @alananderson1615 Год назад +932

    Small problem... Eiji Aonuma has specifically and clearly stated that this isn't true and just a coincidence.

    • @Shimpy-
      @Shimpy- Год назад +74

      But, your statement is just a theory, A GA-

    • @minecramat_yt
      @minecramat_yt Год назад +38

      ​@@Shimpy-ME Theory

    • @W0NP
      @W0NP Год назад +59

      @@minecramat_yt It’s not just about you bro

    • @arandomthingintheabyss2062
      @arandomthingintheabyss2062 Год назад +53

      Along with the fact the shade has an adult body

    • @cherbie517
      @cherbie517 Год назад +36

      Also the game manual says Link falls into an alternate world.

  • @carlos_is_sea-deep
    @carlos_is_sea-deep Год назад +127

    I thought the one that was actually dead for the end of Majora’s Mask was Navi, and the whole story is link trying to get over his grief of losing her

    • @Hypa_7
      @Hypa_7 5 месяцев назад +1

      Link would be having a party over that😂

    • @nickgirdwood3082
      @nickgirdwood3082 5 месяцев назад

      Where are you getting that from?

  • @tiff0795
    @tiff0795 6 месяцев назад +16

    He just condensed his entire video that got me into game theory in a few seconds.

  • @Jorpda
    @Jorpda Год назад +537

    Claim a veterans badge if you remember this being a full video back in the day. Bonus points remembering it was a collab

    • @potatoarcher3985
      @potatoarcher3985 Год назад +46

      More accurately, a collab with Peanut Butter Gamer 😌

    • @TheREALCarmenR
      @TheREALCarmenR Год назад +20

      I remember... What great times those were, with so many memories and treasures.

    • @brofistbro
      @brofistbro Год назад +3

      Here here!

    • @lowfatmilk-sm4xq
      @lowfatmilk-sm4xq Год назад +5

      @@brofistbro I’ll drink to that
      Except I’m thirteen
      Eh I’ll just buy too much Mountain Dew voltage

    • @nathanielvaughn6728
      @nathanielvaughn6728 Год назад +1

      I got a badge! No bonus points, though...

  • @trumpets101
    @trumpets101 Год назад +470

    MatPat casually bringing back his old theory of “Link is Dead” from the Majora Mask game. Now using supporting evidence from Twilight Princess to be like “When did he die?” News flash: Link dies a lot. That’s why he keeps getting reincarnated

    • @IndigoTeddy
      @IndigoTeddy Год назад +20

      Also note that canonically, the Link that defeats Ganon in OOT also dies to him in OOT. Unless we have parallel universes, we can't have all 3 timeline splits with the same definition as implied in the lore supplement texts. Maybe the Downfall timeline is from the original timeline, since Link disappeared for 7 years after getting hit with Ganondorf's magic, which would technically count as a defeat. Since he goes back and forth at least once, that original timeline is not the same as the one he defeats Ganon OR the one he returned to, so Ganon never gets rematched, so he succeeds by default.

    • @papalevan
      @papalevan Год назад +1

      ​@@IndigoTeddy Ganondorf doesn't die in OoT

    • @IndigoTeddy
      @IndigoTeddy Год назад +7

      @@papalevan I didn't say Link killed Ganondorf, only that he defeats him. After the "final blow", the 7 Sages seal him in the Sacred Realm

    • @papalevan
      @papalevan Год назад +1

      @@IndigoTeddy apologies, misread that first part

    • @Rainslight
      @Rainslight Год назад +1

      So link is hank from madness?

  • @JustAnotherRandomDude
    @JustAnotherRandomDude Год назад +12

    After defeating the mask, the last talk with the mask merchant, he says that link should go back home,
    he also says that whatever there is a meeting, there is a parting, but the parting dont need to last forever, if the parting will last long or short, that is up to you.
    This implies that link can leave and return to termina when he wants

  • @paulholland-fc9sp
    @paulholland-fc9sp Год назад +4

    "Link is dead"
    *yea that's like the begining of each Zelda game..."

  • @CmdrBrannick
    @CmdrBrannick Год назад +354

    Problem with this is that Twilight Link is directly related to Ocarina Link meaning he'd have to have lived to adulthood and had a child. Yeah Ocarina Link is dead in Twilight, but that's much further along that him dieing in Majora's. He likely signed on as a royal knight but still regretted no one knowing the deeds he has done.

    • @hioman
      @hioman Год назад +25

      i think he moreso regretted that he never taught his skills to future generations, since he seems at rest once he finishes doing that.
      but yeah, i think snowpeak ruins was probably his house or his military outpost in his adult years (pre snow of course)

    • @CmdrBrannick
      @CmdrBrannick Год назад +8

      @@hioman I think it's a mix of both but more likely what you said. As for his base, no clue. In my headcanon he shacked up with Marlon and lived at the ranch which became Ordon village and that's why Twi-Link works there like it's a family farm etc.

    • @GODOFAWSOMENESS1
      @GODOFAWSOMENESS1 Год назад +1

      @@hioman I can see it now. Link: now son this is you do the helm splitter. Son: but dad I don’t wanna do that I just want to raise horses.

    • @MikePhantom
      @MikePhantom Год назад +4

      you trying to tell mister mat "i ignore important facts to construct my theory" pat to care abouts facts

    • @ujingamer
      @ujingamer Год назад

      He cant be a knight cause he misses the war with Ganondorf in tp thats why Ganondorf gets sealed in the twilight realm and not the sacred realm like at the end of oot

  • @xenno8496
    @xenno8496 Год назад +49

    I mean this would be PERFECT (and was back in the day too when you first talked about it)...if it weren't for the fact that IN GAME it suggests HEAVILY that Termina was MADE by Skullkid using Majora's power to cope with the Giants leaving him

    • @chicken0w044
      @chicken0w044 Год назад +4

      But the giants are from termina not hyrule

    • @Flapalapagus
      @Flapalapagus Год назад +16

      Termina is a real place that the giants and skull kid are from.
      He uses Majora’s Mask to call the moon down upon Termina out of spite because he thought the giants had stopped being his friend because of the Terminians.

    • @Vindkast
      @Vindkast Год назад +1

      ​@@Flapalapagus This is the actual answer.

  • @CosmoAxworthy
    @CosmoAxworthy Год назад +12

    Zelda fans: “which link ?”

  • @Snowstorm...
    @Snowstorm... 8 месяцев назад +6

    I love hearing the analysis on all of the ways Majora's Mask relates its themes to death and shows it throughout the game, but it really just doesn't make sense for Link to have died. It's way more likely he came back without ever finding Navi, came to terms with it, and become a normal knight of Hyrule considering the Shade's appearance. Plus TP Link is his direct descendent and a farmhand, so he likely ended up with Malon as well.

  • @MollyOKami
    @MollyOKami Год назад +89

    One problem with that. Link had a family. He was a CHILD when he went to Termina.
    Just because Termina comes from the word, "terminal," it doesn't mean "predicted to lead to death." It could ALSO mean, "the end of a transport route" or "a point of connection for closing an electric circuit."

    • @KainZeuxis
      @KainZeuxis Год назад +8

      Hyrule historia even says that the reason it’s called termina is because it’s like an airport terminal. A hub world

    • @Anti-HyperLink
      @Anti-HyperLink Год назад

      He didn't have a family, that's completely false. And what does him being a child have to do with anything?
      Maybe try actually making sense.

    • @KainZeuxis
      @KainZeuxis Год назад +4

      @@Anti-HyperLink You never played Twilight princess have you? Link from that game is a direct descendent of OOT Link. In fact Both Links appear in that game.

    • @jonclark7537
      @jonclark7537 Год назад

      @@Anti-HyperLink ruclips.net/video/Uf1KaB0XGGg/видео.html 14:55 you were saying tp link is the Descendant of oot link cope

    • @MossMothMyBeloved
      @MossMothMyBeloved Год назад

      @@Anti-HyperLink Him being a child is an issue because the Hero's Shade is visibly a grown man.

  • @bobkile9734
    @bobkile9734 Год назад +59

    Problem1: Why is the hero’s shade adult sized when Link in Majora’s mask still a child?
    Problem2: TP Link is a descendant of OoT/MM Link. How is MM Link supposed to have fathered a child when he hasn’t gone through puberty yet?
    Problem3: The hero’s shade teaches TP Link advanced sword techniques. MM Link doesn’t know any advanced sword techniques besides the “Spin Attack.” How does a dead Link learn advanced sword techniques AFTER death?

  • @Or3ofan898
    @Or3ofan898 6 месяцев назад +18

    Thank you for everything matt....you will be in our hearts forever

    • @sebbywebby6140
      @sebbywebby6140 5 месяцев назад

      He's not dieing bro

    • @Or3ofan898
      @Or3ofan898 5 месяцев назад +3

      You think I don't know that? He's just leaving RUclips, it's my opinion on how I feel about it all. I know he isn't dying we're all just gonna miss him a lot

    • @dameme963
      @dameme963 5 месяцев назад

      bro u rlly had to come hear💀

  • @FakeMetalHead
    @FakeMetalHead 6 месяцев назад +3

    Very sad to see MatPat is getting his "termina" here in RUclips, we wish you the best Matthew

  • @lucariken2065
    @lucariken2065 Год назад +627

    The problem is that this game isnt about Link's death, but Navi's. That is why we don't see Majora's Mask Link with Navi and why he was in the Forrest at the beginning of the game. The stages of grief are also experienced by your loved ones if you die too afterall.

    • @melody3741
      @melody3741 Год назад +5

      What? Navi leaves link to go back to the forest at the end of OOT

    • @Crttyt67
      @Crttyt67 Год назад +13

      @@melody3741except that’s not the case cause the only reason Link ends up in Termina was to find Navi

    • @bruteboi73
      @bruteboi73 Год назад +10

      guess he should have hey, listened...

    • @nafanwittree
      @nafanwittree Год назад +2

      Umm well idk about you but I don’t think your gonna be grieving over your own death anyway

    • @blackballsgaming6760
      @blackballsgaming6760 Год назад +3

      @@bruteboi73Hey Listen did you know that if you backstep you can go across the map faster because the angle of vertical fo-

  • @DimitriAlexandreBlaiddyd14
    @DimitriAlexandreBlaiddyd14 Год назад +119

    When Link falls down the shaft, he lands on a deku flower, which, IIRC, negates fall damage, meaning he shouldn’t be dead.

  • @TarotVylan
    @TarotVylan Год назад +4

    "Lol" the fandom said
    "LMAO"

  • @Neri_i
    @Neri_i 6 месяцев назад +2

    HE’S NOT DEAD IN MY HEART

  • @ShadowDragon-cw7wb
    @ShadowDragon-cw7wb Год назад +2868

    I'll get the popcorn as Matpat is roasted by actual Zelda fans.

    • @jonclark7537
      @jonclark7537 Год назад +82

      Yo give me some of that popcorn I want to watch to

    • @kxnshinz
      @kxnshinz Год назад +30

      GIMME SOME

    • @Elfengarde.
      @Elfengarde. Год назад +29

      "actual"

    • @jonclark7537
      @jonclark7537 Год назад +31

      @@Elfengarde. ?

    • @Squeakstersorsomethin
      @Squeakstersorsomethin Год назад

      Damn, roasted by fatasses who haven't went to the gym or touched a girl since 2020? Wow. So savage of them.

  • @joaodasilva3210
    @joaodasilva3210 Год назад +312

    Is MatPat trying to convince us that OoT Link got busy as a child?

  • @thomasvogel4340
    @thomasvogel4340 Год назад +2

    You didn't realize this from the tombstone in Final Fantasy on the elf village? That tombstone always cracked me up, lol.

  • @Rock-flavoured-gum
    @Rock-flavoured-gum 19 дней назад +1

    I remember watching the full video on this the day my dog died oddly enough it actually really helped me get over it over the coming weeks thank you may pat you are truly my goat

  • @grandmasta0079
    @grandmasta0079 Год назад +59

    there is just one problem though, he landed on a deku flower and deku flowers completely negate fall damage, so it is impossible for the fall to have killed him.

    • @chrismeyer9300
      @chrismeyer9300 Год назад +4

      Literally fits perfectly with the denial stage

    • @Requiem874
      @Requiem874 Год назад +1

      @@chrismeyer9300 well when it’s an actually game mechanic and the heroes shade is and adult AND tp link is oot links ancestor it’s not very concrete

  • @notrod5341
    @notrod5341 Год назад +20

    Are we still doing this? The very next page in the HH says that only _adults_ become stalfos. If link died as a child he would become a skull kid, not a stalfos.

    • @JustAnotherJames3
      @JustAnotherJames3 Год назад +3

      And also, the Hero's Shade isn't actually a Stalfos. He has ghostly "flesh" on him, which Stalfos (even in Twilight Princess) don't have.
      This means that Link probably didn't even die in the Lost Woods, making this make doubly less sense.

    • @blanexblaze6510
      @blanexblaze6510 Год назад +2

      ​@@JustAnotherJames3He was also buried in hyrule castle making triple less sense

  • @purehero581
    @purehero581 Месяц назад +1

    Matpat said himself that his theories are just to make you think from another perspective even if it has some holes , you know it's just a THEORY a GAME THEORY

  • @malachiengland4747
    @malachiengland4747 Год назад +1

    The heroes shade a adult meaning he actually saved termina and continued to age untill he is older than the hero of twilight because he is taller than a injury causes him to lose his eye either when he died or sometime before

  • @Craftmon20
    @Craftmon20 Год назад +26

    To come back at this: Why is the skeleton adult sized then?

    • @Bearman851
      @Bearman851 Год назад +4

      Why is he even a skeleton? He should be a Skull Kid-

  • @StudioWulf
    @StudioWulf Год назад +17

    Oh boy here we go again!
    According to Hyrule Historia TP Link is a descendant of OoT Link so unless he somehow reverted back to a kid upon death it doesn't make much sense

    • @matthewsimon6170
      @matthewsimon6170 Год назад +1

      Despite the fact Link also canonically got trapped in the very forest he was traversing, IE literally what the Historia says, he'd have had to have him somehow before he left, which gross and near impossible, since they're both ten, or, the historia is wrong.

    • @chaoticdetectivepeach
      @chaoticdetectivepeach Год назад

      ​@@matthewsimon6170 ok thought process, maybe he just has childhood trauma and reverted back to a child when he died or whatever, it'd make sense since PTSD and all that

    • @TJOEL20
      @TJOEL20 Год назад

      @@chaoticdetectivepeach ….that’s not how PTSD works bud

  • @SlimeMan9695
    @SlimeMan9695 6 месяцев назад +1

    Zelda: when is that mo## coming back bro he went for his fairy and now hes gone.

  • @scubat5360
    @scubat5360 Год назад +1

    Game theory rule #1: When in doubt, say purgatory and 5 stages of grief

  • @wintersong2266
    @wintersong2266 Год назад +11

    If he did his research he might have found out that just the fact that Link become a Stalfos completely invalidate this theory. Because only adults who die in the forest become Stalfos, children become Skull Kids.

    • @IndigoTeddy
      @IndigoTeddy Год назад +2

      Link is neither a Stalfos nor a Stalchild because he didn't die by getting lost in the Lost Woods, he was felled in battle before he could teach his children his sword techniques. He's some sort of spectre, since he retains his sentience, memories, regrets, and the capability to transform into a wolf.

  • @shadix2120
    @shadix2120 Год назад +37

    And then that Link by whatever reason has a child in Twilight Princess

    • @zachtwilightwindwaker596
      @zachtwilightwindwaker596 Год назад +6

      It's his descendant. Not his son.

    • @Confron7a7ion7
      @Confron7a7ion7 Год назад +11

      ​@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 but in order to have a descendant he needs to have a child.

    • @zachtwilightwindwaker596
      @zachtwilightwindwaker596 Год назад +1

      @@Confron7a7ion7 Yeah, but since Twilight Princess happened around a hundred years or so later it would not be his son.

    • @Confron7a7ion7
      @Confron7a7ion7 Год назад +4

      @@zachtwilightwindwaker596 ok, but he's like... 12 during Majora's Mask...

  • @9-bitfox
    @9-bitfox 8 месяцев назад

    Matpat redoing old Theories as Quick Vids. Thats one way to do a remake

  • @stunseed4948
    @stunseed4948 5 месяцев назад +1

    not sure if this vid released before, but after watching matpats goodbye video, these theories just hit differently, knowing i wont get to hear the same voice i have heard my entire childhood from these videos for much longer. thank you so much matpat for all of the theories, i wish you the best of the rest of your life, your fame is completely deserved. 😔❤️
    also i did not think of the stages of grief represented by the bosses and the town, majora's mask was such a strange game i still dont understand why i didnt think much of its wierdness 😅

  • @silversonic1
    @silversonic1 Год назад +52

    Except they already said he wasn't. He was essentially Groundhog Dayed in another universe. The Hero's Shade(try to throw him. I dare ya.) is also not a child. No, Link grew up. He just didn't pass on his skills while alive. He also started talking, which is also weird. Have you noticed that Links who aren't the main character are awfully chatty?

    • @rachelguderjahn2231
      @rachelguderjahn2231 Год назад +2

      I suspect that we don't hear link speak because we are somehow deaf to ourselves. 😅
      You can tell from the dialog that link can and does talk in many of the games. We are just not given the exact words.

    • @silversonic1
      @silversonic1 Год назад +1

      @@rachelguderjahn2231 True. But it feels implied that the playable Links are measured in their speech, only saying what's necessary. That stoicism is played on the most in Breath of the Wild so far. But between the Hero's Shade and the old man in Link Between Worlds who's implied to be an old Link(thus why being able to battle him is an achievement), they do talk quite a bit.

    • @rachelguderjahn2231
      @rachelguderjahn2231 Год назад +1

      @silversonic1 True. But I thought in Wind Waker or Link to the Past, that someone commented that he sure liked to talk. 🤔

    • @silversonic1
      @silversonic1 Год назад +1

      @@rachelguderjahn2231 Not sure. As such, please take my POV with a grain of salt. Is it possible it was a sarcastic comment? I'm not sure of the context, so it's important to verify.

    • @rachelguderjahn2231
      @rachelguderjahn2231 Год назад +1

      @silversonic1 I don't remember clearly, so it is possible that it was a sarcastic comment that I took too serious.

  • @Crelexy
    @Crelexy Год назад +25

    Theroists trying not to make a theory of the main character being dead: Level Impossible

  • @nosferty7234
    @nosferty7234 6 месяцев назад +1

    One day well see majora's mask ending scene before fighting the final boss next to the lorekeeper ending with fnaf. Not to mention the poppets with the masks in HW2 and the happiest day are literally refrencing that same ideology as MM where the spirits become masks and the person, or endo, wearing the masks "becomes" that person

  • @Caleb_Dollar
    @Caleb_Dollar 6 месяцев назад +2

    Rip legend. Gone but never forgotten ❤️❤️‍🩹

    • @aaron375
      @aaron375 6 месяцев назад +1

      hes not dead

  • @_Hamster
    @_Hamster Год назад +22

    Bro knows secrets that the developers themselves didn't know

  • @stuartdack6676
    @stuartdack6676 Год назад +23

    If anything, I'd say that Majora's Mask is symbolic of losing Navi. If you need to find a symbol in a Zelda game that is lol. But if you just switch everything to being about Navi's death/loss of her, that makes a lot more sense to me than it being about Link's own death. The whole story is supposed to be about Link searching for Navi but in the end he never finds her. And from the ending of the game I'd say that Link has accepted the loss of his friend.

  • @JPGpack
    @JPGpack Год назад +1

    That tombstone in final fantasy is making sense now

  • @stickguy0366
    @stickguy0366 14 дней назад

    matpat : link is dead
    me : yeah that's reincarnation for the next game

  • @DubuyuW
    @DubuyuW Год назад +11

    Nintendo disproved this theory officially.

  • @alexhood9949
    @alexhood9949 Год назад +41

    You really gonna die on that hill buddy 😂

  • @user-dg6dl5uu7n
    @user-dg6dl5uu7n 11 месяцев назад +1

    Matpat:"Link dead" Me:Link is not dead *pulls out a gun and starts shooting matpat in between the eyes*

  • @Sidon_the_fishstick_
    @Sidon_the_fishstick_ 17 дней назад

    There is a lot more like termina being a dream helping link with his problems like depression of navy leaving with no explanation

  • @phil1469
    @phil1469 Год назад +4

    And then he grew to adult form while dead, had a kid while dead(since the hero of twilight is descended from him), got that armor, and lost an eye, all while dead.
    My guy has done more in death than I have in life. Not to mention going through the five stages of grief while dead. Normally, that burden is for the living.
    You know, like a child who has lost most if not all of his friends, who is on a mission to find someone, and never does.

    • @hurricanessuck3832
      @hurricanessuck3832 Год назад +1

      The Hero’s Shade is a Stalfos, and only adults become stalfos sooooo

  • @azenar1894
    @azenar1894 Год назад +10

    Lmao Matt really reduced, reused, and recycled ♻️ this theory again

  • @Edmund-od7mv
    @Edmund-od7mv 8 месяцев назад +1

    Well done you figured out the piece of Zelda lore that's extremely obvious and practically given to you.

  • @Squishyadam-pq8ms
    @Squishyadam-pq8ms 6 месяцев назад +1

    Hazbin for years... HAZBIN HOTEL🙃

  • @knickohr01
    @knickohr01 Год назад +11

    Well Link is a new character in almost every game and there are often long timespans between the games. So basically everytime a new game starts the previous Link has died which makes the title "Link is DEAD" a bit obsolete, because dying and getting reincarnated are kinda his thing.

    • @SameSeam
      @SameSeam Год назад +2

      Nope, Link from Majoras Mask and OOT are the same person, and Twilight princess is his descendant

    • @knickohr01
      @knickohr01 Год назад

      @@SameSeam Thats why I said that he is a new character in "almost" every game. There are other exeptions, like Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass or Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom which have the same Link each. This doesn't change that for every game that isn't at the start of the timeline, there is at least one Link that has already died.

  • @joehall9028
    @joehall9028 Год назад +13

    Fun theory but the hero shade is a stalfos if link would have died as a kid he would have turned into a skul kid so he would have had to have gotten lost in the lost woods as an adult and than died to become a stalfos not to mention that in the hero shade's model he's missing an eye so that suggests that he had to go on past majora and had more battles we didn't see

    • @titan1umtitan
      @titan1umtitan Год назад +2

      Not only that, link reincarnates every death and majora’s mask is in botw, which is, by a lot of theories, the merging of the 3 timelines

    • @asc3nded397
      @asc3nded397 Год назад +4

      Plus spirits are seen to not age in the Zelda series after they die (that would be kinda stupid anyway lol) so link would not be an adult regardless. Additionally, if link dies by falling into Termina then the Skull Kid and Majoras Mask are still out there causing havoc somewhere because they are seen in the real world of Hyrule before Link “dies” and that is clearly not the case.

  • @-.-C0TTon-.-
    @-.-C0TTon-.- 11 месяцев назад +1

    Matpat... Stop ruining my childhood...

  • @Majinbluuue
    @Majinbluuue 5 месяцев назад +1

    The skull emoji in the title 💀

  • @xdstarlord3809
    @xdstarlord3809 Год назад +157

    Link dying and becoming the Hero's Shade is common fact at this point, however, he did not die in Majora's Mask.
    For some quick background info, adults who die in the Lost Woods become Stalfos (which is what the Hero's Shade is), while children become Skull Kids when they die in the Lost Woods. If Link died in Majora's Mask, then he would be a Skull Kid in Twilight Princess due to the fact that he was a child in Majora's Mask.
    Also I would like to point out that this is just a retread of one of his older theories.

    • @IndigoTeddy
      @IndigoTeddy Год назад +15

      Also note that he's neither Skull Child nor Stalfos (he's a spectre of some sort), meaning his death was not caused by getting lost, but was most likely from a fatal wound from a battle.

    • @vandergamer8682
      @vandergamer8682 Год назад +8

      ​@@IndigoTeddy More specifically, a blow to the stomach, bcs of how the armour looks the most destroyed there

    • @liamvinck8705
      @liamvinck8705 Год назад +3

      well I agree with you... but what if the lost woods could "read" that he was an adult... maybe the lost woods is "magical", and could tell if a person was an adult at one point, maybe it gave link "the body he should have" when he died... after all they were in the lost woods in the opening of Majora's mask. and Link while being in a child's body, was technichally an adult due to what happened at ocarina... I still don't know though... I find it odd that he's missing an eye in ocarina, I think that is probably related to his death, but I find it odd. And I don't know if there is something in Majora implying something of a "missing eye". other than a metaphor, "you can't see the full picture" assuming he died in Majora but was implied.

    • @TheNyleve16
      @TheNyleve16 Год назад +3

      ​​​@@liamvinck8705 But his specter has a hyrule soldier armor and it shows that he lost and eye. When he was in the future he still had his eye and he doesn't have the armor. Also Aonuma confirmed that Termina is an alternate world. So the theory that he died in Majora doesn't make much sense.

  • @Necthar_
    @Necthar_ Год назад +19

    If he's dead how do we meet him as an adult skeleton in twilight princess? We tend to stop growing when we die.

    • @matthewsimon6170
      @matthewsimon6170 Год назад +5

      It surprisingly has an answer. In the Zelda lore, if your spirit is strong enough, your body will live on and continue to grow, as a Stalfos, or well, whatever your skeletal form can be called. That more or less just implies he's been dead a while.

    • @maravreloaded
      @maravreloaded Год назад +2

      Because Hylian magic.
      Because "the plot said so"

    • @freshthemeemer4266
      @freshthemeemer4266 Год назад +6

      By the way tp link is one of the few link incarnations that is related by blood to the previous one, it being oc link, so the theory is disproven so easily when you realize that he had to grow a family that would eventually grow another family AND MAYBE ANOTHER FAMILY then die in the middle of the process and his soul incarnates one of his grand children

    • @matthewsimon6170
      @matthewsimon6170 Год назад +1

      @@freshthemeemer4266 except for the fact he initially got trapped in the Forest, meaning that shouldn't have even been possible. They retcon the damn lore so much I dont even like the timeline existing in the first place.

    • @mr.g8779
      @mr.g8779 Год назад +1

      ​@@matthewsimon6170 when did he get trapped in the forest?

  • @slimmnara6715
    @slimmnara6715 5 месяцев назад +2

    why am i getting recomanded matpat shorts now...

  • @Yourlocalcat_21
    @Yourlocalcat_21 Год назад

    Bro but link is like Springtrap.
    "I always come back."

  • @silversaiyan4010
    @silversaiyan4010 Год назад +135

    Matpat is really trying to get us to believe this crackpot theory, even though the very book he's citing to prove his "theory" contradicts the entire theory.

    • @BSIHRI
      @BSIHRI Год назад +6

      I mean it's just a theory, believe on it or not, that's up to you. Now, I know nothing about Zelda so I just pretend like- whatever.

    • @boredgamer181
      @boredgamer181 Год назад +9

      @@BSIHRI It’s kind of funny because he mentions the Hyrule Historia which directly addresses this theory and says that it is not true.

    • @annieandelsieofarendelle3294
      @annieandelsieofarendelle3294 11 месяцев назад

      @@BSIHRI A theory with more holes than Swiss cheese and can be disproven.

  • @blasphemy1013
    @blasphemy1013 Год назад +10

    The flower link lands on breaks fall damage, neat detail

  • @asherrudick3912
    @asherrudick3912 4 месяца назад +1

    But, that’s the thing. Link canonically survives this. Once Majora is finished and Link leaves Termina, it fades away much like Koholint Island. Given the armor the Hero’s Shade wears in Twilight Princess, we can deduce after returning to Hyrule, Link comes of age to join the Royal Guard, and is slain by some unknown being.

  • @russ9324
    @russ9324 8 месяцев назад

    One of my favorite old theories from the channel

  • @xjood805
    @xjood805 Год назад +4

    Matpats retreading some CLASSIC GT for this one

  • @cyberdec3pt10n8
    @cyberdec3pt10n8 Год назад +28

    Matpat never fails to make anything from my childhood seem dark

    • @diamondmemer9754
      @diamondmemer9754 Год назад +5

      Majora's mask is already pretty dark

    • @Ezra_Studios
      @Ezra_Studios Год назад +2

      @@diamondmemer9754 fr

    • @johnmcwick1
      @johnmcwick1 Год назад +1

      So true lol as the logo implies!
      “Ruining childhoods since 2011!” Lol.

  • @Whitemare_Blob
    @Whitemare_Blob Год назад

    Matpats voice when he says "and I know how it happened" is so reminiscent of "nener nener nener" 😂

  • @JoeMama-mp9jb
    @JoeMama-mp9jb 10 месяцев назад

    One becomes a Stalfos when a non Kokiri gets lost in the Lost Woods

  • @PuppyPrincess
    @PuppyPrincess Год назад +27

    The only problem with this is that it would mean Link died as a child and never grew up, therefore the adult skeleton we see in twilight princess doesn't make sense.
    That being said I think that's unintended. The whole "timeline" thing came about after the fact. Though it's basically confirmed that majora's mask is about death and that Link is dead in that game

    • @darthpastry
      @darthpastry Год назад +1

      A possible solution to this would be if he died he reverted to his inner child, maybe he went off to search for Fi when he was older but when he died he was so emotionally stunted (which would be understandable) that his spirit simply couldn’t handle it and set it through the eyes of a child.

    • @homerman76
      @homerman76 Год назад +10

      No, it's confirmed via interview that Link is not dead in Majora's Mask, one of the few theories that Nintendo has actually shot down personally

    • @darthpastry
      @darthpastry Год назад

      That’s a shame, I’ll have to find this interview in case there’s anymore lore! Still fun to find ways to defend theories to the death, but if the creator directly says so nothing I can do.

    • @RobinRhombus2
      @RobinRhombus2 Год назад +1

      Also he had to have children since The Hero of Twilight is his descendant so definitely not a child for that to happen.

    • @annieandelsieofarendelle3294
      @annieandelsieofarendelle3294 11 месяцев назад

      In game, the King of Ikana tells Link that this place is not for one as full of life as him so no he was never dead.

  • @gokuss9999
    @gokuss9999 Год назад +8

    What in the 2012 Zelda theory is this? Are we just, reusing theories now?

    • @alessandroseverino8222
      @alessandroseverino8222 Год назад

      Lately he just do Fnaf stuff, Mario cause the movie (soon will toss some more reused sonic stuff cause the Knuckles show); let alone those glorified ads for mobile games he's getting sponsored...
      So missing sponsored stuff, allready beated to death mario for follow the #mario trending he have to dig on past stuff

  • @Cowboy_Melling
    @Cowboy_Melling 11 месяцев назад

    Matpat:the deku king
    Bakugo:BROCCOLI HEADDDD

  • @neBen_
    @neBen_ 22 дня назад

    The most literal use of the skull emoji:

  • @friedpancakes266
    @friedpancakes266 Год назад +10

    I follow the idea that the intro cutscene is link dreaming after turning into a Deku. He wakes up when his dream recreates his transformation. After saving Termina, this link returns to hyrule to live out his days in peace. This prevents the can of worms called the Hero of Twilight's Ancestry from messing with the theory. He needs to have had a child before his death.

  • @robertyocum7200
    @robertyocum7200 Год назад +7

    The thing is the flower he lands on in game reduces fall damage to 0. So he wouldn't have died from that fall.

  • @slavabilic7175
    @slavabilic7175 11 месяцев назад

    Matpat:Link is dead and i know how
    My brain:Ben Drowned

  • @AK_AMON_11
    @AK_AMON_11 Год назад +1

    So yes Link poor Link being gone away forever and might not be...

  • @ericjones1349
    @ericjones1349 Год назад +14

    I challenge the Link is Dead theory.
    Each of the major regions of Termina DOES coincide with the Five Stages of Grief, but this is Link grieving for Navi being lost to him, as well as the grief Skull Kid shares for losing his friends.
    That, and Majora’s Mask created Termina from Skull Kid’s memories and regrets.

    • @guillermoortega-ruggia9111
      @guillermoortega-ruggia9111 Год назад +2

      Gametheory: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

    • @livingglowstick1337
      @livingglowstick1337 Год назад

      so you just confirmed what he said its purhitory wherre you live out grief untill acceptance

    • @gaghhuh2943
      @gaghhuh2943 Год назад

      Why would Majoras Mask created a new world just to destroy it when it could have try to do whatever it wanted to do in the Hyrule Realm or that dimension or whatever. But I do agree with the Navi theory. I think the real question isnt who is mourning who but whether Termina is real or just in someone's imagination

  • @XanSplainYT
    @XanSplainYT Год назад +4

    “Falls down in a pit of flowers underground*
    MEGALOVANIA STARTS PLAYING

    • @Patches_Idk
      @Patches_Idk Год назад +1

      i say that it would be fallen down not megalovania

    • @XanSplainYT
      @XanSplainYT Год назад

      @@Patches_Idk ik

    • @Honormagicandme
      @Honormagicandme 7 месяцев назад +1

      "WELLCOME TO THE UNDERGROUND-"

    • @kacpi_009
      @kacpi_009 7 месяцев назад

      h o w a r e y o u r b a l l s

  • @djreksalot1202
    @djreksalot1202 4 месяца назад

    This was my favorite theory back in the day. Introduced me to Zelda and PBG. Gonna miss Mathew Pathew

  • @LiamRoca
    @LiamRoca 13 дней назад

    PURAH:SHEIKAH GO FIRE UP THE SLUMBER OF RESTORATION.

  • @mayoayo7107
    @mayoayo7107 Год назад +4

    There are things that still don't add up. Such as how Darmani's face is carved into Goron Village in Breath of the Wild.

    • @coryfreake9070
      @coryfreake9070 Год назад

      Maybe, but the goron who gives you the Don Gero's mask mentions how the rock comes from Dondogo's Cavern, which is only seen in Hyrule. That being said, I still think this theory is absurd.

  • @sinker7260
    @sinker7260 Год назад +9

    I heard a theory that after the events of Majora's mask, he came back to hylia. He grows up to an adult and goes into the lost woods to try to find Navi, but gets lost and turns into a stalfos

    • @oniwolfin9589
      @oniwolfin9589 Год назад +1

      He dies in battle, and he isn't a stalfos, he is a shade, but yes he does return to hyrule and have a kid with maron and that sires the linage for twilight princess's link, and none of this is a theory anymore it was all proven years ago.

  • @LoahKiLynKd87
    @LoahKiLynKd87 10 месяцев назад

    Terminal Clarity been hitting on all dimensions.

  • @Shark20167
    @Shark20167 8 месяцев назад

    Throwback to the first theory I saw of yours! Aweosme

  • @armenianrussian
    @armenianrussian Год назад +9

    Oh, MatPat reenacts his old theories!

  • @curlingrainbows
    @curlingrainbows Год назад +3

    NO WAY HE JUST DID THIS 💀
    I wonder what other classic theory they'll bring back as a short

  • @Magicriver123_rtw2q
    @Magicriver123_rtw2q 5 месяцев назад +1

    So each links a reincarnation of the last

  • @bardukfr33k1985
    @bardukfr33k1985 Год назад

    "according to the Hyrule Historia..." *goes on to show he BARELY read said text* 🤣