In one mobile game, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast and The Evil Queen (in Hag Form) from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs fall to their deaths just like in their respective movies!
Hey, wasn’t Clayton a nobody when you killed him in KH1? Tarzan kept going on about how he already lost his heart before you fight him alongside a heartless that seemed to be following his orders like Ansem SoD’s Guardian (the one with Terra’s heart inside). Pretty sure Clayton survives due to recompletion.
I feel like it’s interesting how people blame Disney for the series’ lack of death, considering how many of their individual movies exceed the kill count of this action series.
Yeah, Nomura clearly has a lot of creative liberty and is the main person responsible for the "deaths" being undone all the time and other such retcons.
Because modern Disney is a piece of shit, even in cases like Tangled Mother Gothel rapidly ages into dust. Compare that to Lion King where we see Mufasa fall to his death, we have multiple moments seeing the body and how it affects Simba. Gothel is an evil bitch, but she did raise Rapunzel even if it was for an ulterior motive, Rapunzel should've broken down crying like Gamora did after she thought she killed Thanos in Infinity War.
13:00 How Xion came back is identical to how Baymax came back in Big Hero 6. It’s explained in Re:Mind that Xion’s data was left behind in Vexen’s records. From there, they basically made a 2nd Xion model. And when she fought Axel at the keyblade graveyard, the memories from within both Roxas & Axel’s heart went into Xion, thus bringing her back. Saix intentionally saying Axel and Roxas’s name helped this too.
But I thought no one remember xion that why i confuse how is she in vixen file. Heck sora forget everything in castle oblivion isn’t that the same for xion.
@@om58499 Just because everyone forgot who she was, that doesn’t mean Xion’s research data wouldn’t be in Vexen’s files. The valuables a person leaves behind will still exist even if the person in question was forgotten. The same goes for real life.
@@WingerEdison It’s as simple as her heart transferring to her new body. Same with how Roxas’s heart jumped out of Sora and into the replica body that Vexen & Demyx helped give Ienzo
Aeba’s take about narrative death, (“let story beats affect you even if they’re undone a second later”) hit me and I realized I sometimes try to intellectualize scenes in games / movies more than I let myself feel them! That was a cool realization. Very neat video you two. Ok bye!
I liked that segment as death can also mean metaphorical changes. In Kingdom Hearts, it’s both literal and metaphorical as a character performs an arc and dies only to then be reborn into a new form and new personal change.
@@TheSeaBase Not exactly, just not to be so hypercritical if things don’t pan out to your personal expectations. Expectations vs Narrative is a major issue among entertainment fans these days.
@@kozukiangel5248 I am calling it right now, in 10 years you will think of this comment with tears in your eyes while beating up the optional super boss lion Pete in yozoras lion cub form, carrying the X-Blade telling yourself: I was so fucking right
It’s interesting that your interpretation of the soul in Kingdom Hearts is something like “life-juice” or in other words something that constitutes the living in living things, since this is exactly how Aristotle understands it as the concept that differentiates the living being from a nonliving object.
Oogie Boogie looking totally dead and then just revealing he's absolutely not dead is canon, after his death in the original Nightmare Before Christmas he just kinda came back for the sequel video game (and had a final form that is legally distinct from but suspiciously like his last form in KH, it should be noted), after which he was killed, except in a way that doesn't really say he can't just come back a second time.
The way I've thought about it since DDD is this. Being turned into a heartless/nobody is completely separate from dying. On the contrary, it gives you an extra barrier to dying. To die, your complete self needs to die at once. Being turned into a heartless simply splits your being into pieces until those pieces are defeated, at which point you're recompleted and vulnerable. Kind of like Horcruxes but with the added bonus of an extra life. Any mad and strong willed tyrant ought to keep breaking their being apart to make themselves basically invulnerable.
Holy. Just....... holy does the ending with aeba hit hard for me. Makes me think of my grandparents and their love of Disney and how I handled their......yea
Disney: Dead parents. Dead parents everywhere. Even: Ienzo's parents are no longer with us, so we're taking care of him. Ienzo: I don't really remember my parents. Nomura, let the boy grieve. There is an arc here that's not being addressed because you can't be bothered to delve deeper into a situation that you've set up.
The Tremaines are the most confusing case - even if we don't see the result, we see Aqua's and Cinderella's heads tilting as if watching something flying in an arc, so I'd guess that they were just comically launched back, but...ugh, show us something!
I can't blame you both, along with many of your other friends, for having unique icons/mascots based off of the prismatic melody Heartless. They're just so cute!
I agree with almost everything you two said! Definitely one of your best videos yet! You even got me to subscribe to another youtuber, something no other channel managed to do!
"You'll like Absolutely Everything About here, You'll like her there On a train? On a plane? Why you'll like her in the rain." Also just, more cute Heartless "bells" OCs in my life, this is good. Thank you both for the quality content I have immediately subbed to AEA's channel because why the heck would I not, she has a video about KH but with top tier eye color changes. It's the quality content I've yearned for in my life
1) Your script regards Emblem Heartless as being the hearts that went into their creation, but I've long held a perspective that the Heartless and the heart are distinct, and that the former is shaped by the latter. Purebloods are just darkness, influenced by whatever factors, but still usually more basic in function and form, usually just beefed up in their intensities. Emblems, though, are sweepingly distinct, but I'd say they still "are just darkness", but here more personally shaped by the heart they contain, and that defeating the Heartless is not defeating that heart, but freeing it from its animate containment (whether the heart exists in a physically discrete space or some metaphysical absence). B) Took a while to get to it, but when discussing what happens to released hearts, I had long assumed they return to (the true) Kingdom Hearts, with the artificial one of the Organization intercepting hearts by that same mechanic. But that Nomura quote about hearts going into "suspension", grief, complicate it more, whydoncha?
This is where you must take word of god lore and ignore it, as there's not only no precedent, but lore directly showing the opposite. There's a certain point where less you retcon it in game, you cannot believe the writers there, as it doesn't fit with what they choose to show us.
As someone who tried to figure out how many people Sora has killed just last week (8 or 28, depending on your semantics) this video popping up in my recommendations is an incredible joy to witness. Finally, someone else thinking too much about death in KH.
To be fair, I don't think "Disney has a lot of deaths in different movies" really discredits the idea of "Disney could be preventing THIS story from having major deaths". But this was an insightful video, and I think we might be overestimating Disney's efforts in this regard, or at least underestimating Nomura's own penchant to negate or avoid death.
Stellar video! This series has been going for so long, and people are still making incredible content like this. This is one of the best kh analysis videos, and the most unique and thought provoking
around 45:00 Idk why but I started tearing up, but hearing the music, and hearing her talk about grief and life really made me realize how special life is and how I take it for granted, I have yet to go through something as painful as grief yet and it is one of my biggest fears. I know it's a stupid kingdom hearts video and I'm sitting here playing kh3 at 6 in the morning worrying about stupid stuff, but it really is a special world we live in.
You silly billy this is a Kingdom Hearts game no one else can die, and at the ending of the video you killed it/nailed it Regular Pat and her as well you ace the ending speech pretty well I do say so myself.
I think the Fox and the Hound was also about stopping the cycle of revenge, honestly, given that Amos ultimately decides to not kill Todd out of anger for Chief's -death- injury. It's just that the bear winds up being a fairly out of nowhere plot device that serves as a lesson for Amos rather than a character.
Honestly, I actually think Square Enix would be more of the issue with death than Disney. I mean, just think of any Square Enix franchise and there is more than likely at least 1 character who "Dies" just to come back later. TWEWY is literally about dead people trying to fight to come back to life.
Afaict, the only way disney is holding back this series is by preventing the games from doing anything original with the princess properties lest they risk the marketability of the precious brand. And even that is, on the franchise scale, a recent problem that really only hurt kh3.
As a Repliku fan, I honestly think there's a lot that coulda been done with him if they let him live. Like figuring out his own identity despite being a clone, connecting with Xion, Roxas, and reconnecting with Namine. I feel like killing him off a second time was kinda a slap in the face, and that if they were gonna go ahead and bring everyone back, they shoulda just stuck with him, too. Heck, Lea could've had to face the fact that he led this kid to his death. Lots of untapped potential. Alas!
Always happy to see more Aeba content, especially when it’s part of a Regular Pat video! Great stuff, and hopefully the first of many team ups for you two!
The sheer amount of work you guys put into videos like this amazes me I love your content it makes me think about not just kh but every media I encounter in a more analytical way and it makes me so excited to come up with a theory or see that something I've theorized about pop up in one of your videos!
The only reason Goofy was knocked unconscious was to get Mickey separated from the group and to let Sora fight solo with FF characters in Hollow Bastion during the "Thousand Heartless" battle set-piece. Totally worth it. I forgive the games for bringing him back a minute later for the chance to fight alongside Cloud and Leon.
Regarding the Emblem, Ansem did mention he marked them and the way the text reads to me seems to imply the machine didn't originally mark them "The artificially and naturally created Heartless showed nearly identical traits. But the two types remain distinct for the purpose of the experiment. So, I will mark the ones that are created artificially." The "So, I will" seems to indicate to me he did a separate thing to mark all Emblem Heartless, which in headcanon I just assume he did a magic spell to mark all of them and getting transformed into one triggers the magic to mark you.
this video reminds me that while i really enjoy kingdom hearts, it's also so fucking stupid lmao gotta love it really great video btw!! you two are fantastic together!
So basically... People: Are a body, heart, and soul. When they're slain, they go to the final world to wait for loved ones/a crisis to be resolved which caused them to come there in the first place, then they move on to Kingdom Hearts. Strelitzia was probably floating around there until Luxu brought her back. Xehanort's classmates are... unconfirmed, but I'm guessing that they're still waiting in the Final World since they haven't seen Xehanort and Eraqus, since the latter two just skipped the Final World and went straight to Kingdom Hearts. Heartless: Are a heart. When slain, since they are a heart, they will do anything possible to reform or rejoin with a body and soul to become alive again. Nobodies: Are a body and soul. When slain, they will do anything possible to rejoin a heart and become alive again, but are not quite as adamant as hearts since they don't really have clear goals and hopes. Unversed: Are a body. They're just physical manifestations of Vanitas's emotion and as such have no heart or soul of their own. Dream Eaters: Are a body and soul. They don't have a heart, per se, except perhaps Player's and Brain's (but just because those two seemed to have such a close bond with their Chirithy, while the other Chirithys kept their wielders at arm's length and vice versa). They are technically alive and have a physical form, but don't seem to be capable of rational thought (excluding Chirithys) beyond "Do this, fight that, keep my master safe." Edit for adding Replicas: Are a body and soul, which can form a heart over time. When slain, their heart seems to go back to the person they were modeled after, as is the case with Repliku and Xion.
I think Repliku only stuck around cause of how much emotion and feeling he managed to have during CoM so when he ended up in the realm of darkness he was able to keep himself together. His goal being to protect Namine and in helping Riku he finally achieved his goal and peaced out.
Wow... I never thought I would be shedding tears at work from listening to a kh video about death ... That last quarter hit way too hard .. Oh and Regular Steve or whatever was ok too or something. Great Collab.
Really good video, that went in a direction completely different than expected. You certainly "killed it". PD: Did you know that, apparently, The Queen/Witch turned the Magic Mirror into an Unversed with that potion? They don't even elaborate how and why, but it's there. Messing with Vanitas' supposed exclusivity for absolutely no reason.
Wow! What a great video! Definitely one of the best Regular Pat videos about a KH five letter topic that runs about 50 minutes🤣 Okay, let me gush about this video now! There is so much research and thought put into this video! (I guess you could call yourself one of the apprentices, research is what you do, yes). I love that you really defined what death is and isn’t in the context of the game. I applaud you for making what is a convoluted concept and boiling into something digestible👏 I especially love that you compiled all of the canon deaths in the series! I don’t know if I’m surprised that there’s so few or surprised that there’s so many. It makes me wonder if Ienzo’s parents in BBS are included as characters that are dead in the series, even if we have never seen them. Probably not🤷♀️ This video really makes me wonder what the narrative purpose of death is in the KH series. Like the Goofy fake out. We know he can’t actually die - it’s Goofy - so why unalive him for a few seconds? Drama? I feel like there’s better ways of expressing drama. And that becomes even more obvious for the nobodies in 3, their deaths just don’t have the same weight. We as the audience and the characters in the game know they’re going to be recompleted so I wonder why it’s played off as so emotional. I’m definitely going to be critically thinking about how death is a tool for story telling the next time I boot up the game🤔 Not to mention that I am now going to binge all of Aeba‘s videos. I adore her speaking style and humor just from this video. Thank you for introducing me to a new KH channel! (Also, their takes on Isa are so valid)💖 I just watched their kingdom hearts fancast video and the second that she said Axel should be portrayed as gay and black I immediately subscribed. Sorry Pat, I have a new favorite channel💅 Also #fuckgurgi I hate that I even had to look at him for 0.7 seconds😤 This truly is a top tier video that I can’t wait to watch over and over again! The wait (and the amount of work you obviously put in) was 100% worth it! Last thing YOUR HAIR IN THE OUTRO!? WHEN DID YOU DYE IT BLACK!?
i would also like to point out, that the TWEWY group from KHDDD, yeah they're dead too, that's the whole storyline from twewy they died and are playing the reaper's game to get a secone chance at life, in which they all gave up something important as an entry fee and wouls get it back if they won, but it and them would be erased if they lost, Shiki's entry fee was her appearance, Neku was his memories, Beat's was the memories of him from his sister, rhyme. and Rhyme is unknown because she isn't a playable character in the game and gets eaten by a noise shark halfway through the first week so that probably transfers over to the KH. in terms of how they died, Joshua has been running the game and so he isn't playing, nor do we know how he did die, but he did at some point, Beat ran out after a fight with his parents, rhyme went after them, And a car came out of nowhere, beat failed to pish rhyme out of the way in time and both got hit by it. Shiki seemingly died in an accident, i assume a car accident, but we only hear "an accident" and joshua shot neku, like with a gun twice then after that a separate character, named Coco shot Neku a third time after he came back to life, then joshua teleported him to a different city. neku should invest in a bulletproof vest after getting shot on 3 seperate occasions
Vanitas joins back with Ventus after BBS. The vanitas that we fight is a version of him prior to the Keyblade graveyard fight in Ven’s story. As when Vanitas is defeated, he’s fused back into Ven’s heart as his station of awakening changes. He also gets a small bit of text in the KH character files that are exclusive to Japan, but have been translated. If anyone would like me to link it, I’ll be more than happy to.
People in the KH Community are always quick to blame Disney for everything. I honestly don't think Disney as a company really cares what Square does they just sign off on things. Like people want to say Disney forced Frozen into KH3 which is why it seems so rushed. But maybe getting Frozen approved took alot of time or maybe they changed ideas alot while making it. Like I cant see Disney being like add Frozen or even Tron Legacy as another example.
Nomura admitted in an interview that Disney executives had more involvement in KH3 compared to the other games in the series, and they interfered heavily with the Arendelle world. Nomura intended on Sora, Donald and Goofy fighting Elsa because the earlier drafts for *Frozen* had Elsa written as a villain. After *Frozen* was changed to make Elsa a secondary character and to have Anna be her sister, Disney didn't want Nomura villainizing their most popular character at that point.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 Yeah, I've seen Regular Pat talk about how the whole "Elsa was meant to be a villain" in KH3 is purely speculation because Disney had made Elsa a sympathetic character long before KH3 began development, which was the same year *Frozen* was released, back in 2013.
Okay, first off, this came out on my B-day...um...YES Second, I am estatic about this topic because I talk about this all the time on discord with some folks. When they bring up that 'Oh, Disney wouldn't let them kill off more characters' and I'm like, 'Bro, Disney literally kills at least 2-4 people per movie half the time' I think the Disney death that shocked me the most was probably Clayon. Tarzan TRIED to warn this man but his anger just drove him to keep cutting and cutting until he cut the wrong vine and...well, that's all folks. I remember gasping when I saw it for the first time when the lightning flashed and showed his hanging silhouette. Will stick with me forever. Anyway, good video! Nice jokes and good explanation's all around. Looking forward to seeing more from the both of you.
I'm a fan of "tactical death" in any media. People seens to want death for the sake of death, instead of being done with coherence and make an impact on the character/player. Oh, and if not done right... I GODANM HATE FAKE OUT DEATHS! And I just stretch my tastes to Axel because I'm quite fond of him.
Given that Vexen is based off of the alchemist class from Final Fantasy I tend to interpret Xion's being, and Replicas in general, as something similar to a homunculus
Good news to Abea: Kairi's Grandmother could just be a heartless and barely released, leading to awkward time messery, but also the perfect excuse for Kairi to face the prospect of her grandmother dying.
Here two years later and Strelitzia is objectively alive. Vanitas is also one of the immortal darknesses that can't die so I guess this lovable fuckfest of a series is just going to get more and more convoluted when it comes to death lmao
"This can't be happening..." "Light...B-But why?!" "No...Please don't! I don't want to - !" "I think I'm...I'm fading?! No, this isn't...the way I...I won't...ALLOW..." "So this...This is the heart of a hero!" "You are the Superior's...? Forgive me, Zexion. This is a fight I should not have started." "You can't do this!" "A faithful replica until the very end. That's...okay." "I feel...cold." "Simba...!" "No wayyyyy!" "Is this the end?" "That belongs to me!" "No...How can I BE defeated again, by a pack of filthy street rats?" "We...would have made a great team..." "Kairi's in the castle dungeon. Now go!" "Wouldn't you like to know?" "How could you, Roxas?" "Kingdom Hearts...Where is my heart?" "Cursed...Keyblade..." "Good-bye, Roxas. See you again. I'm glad...I got to meet you. Oh...and of course, Axel, too. You're both my best friends. Never forget. That's the truth." "My own heart is darkness!" "Why..." "And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit. Forever!" "Judgment is mine!" "No...Why?" "He's my son." "No! Oh no. No...What have you done? What have you done?!" "You're not...real...I'm...the real one..." "Good luck." "What? It is time to move on, boy...There is more to seek...so go forth now, and seek it..." "Really? It must take...incredible strength..." "Goodbye, Sora. Your time...in this world is - !" "Here. Ready, my friend?" "Yes..."
Pointing the “white finger” as Disney for not killing off characters doesn’t work for an OBVIOUS reason- all of the characters that officially die are Disney characters. True, it’s for continuity for the Disney story but that’s still the fact. Most deaths are disney deaths.
Something I realy like about Disney villain deaths is that its usually the villains fault on the end. Gaston stabs beast despite beast no longer being a threat and beasts reeling back causes him to fall. Frolo gets saved by Quasimodo then immediately tries to kill him but his weight causes the gargoyle he was standing on to break under him. Clayton was caight in vines and sace from falling to his death the immediately starts to wildly slash around him to attack Tarzan causing the vines to snap leaving him to hang as the vibe around his neck snaps it. These are all villains who got a second chance but was to caught up in their villainy to take that chance.
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In one mobile game, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast and The Evil Queen (in Hag Form) from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs fall to their deaths just like in their respective movies!
@@Aeba of course! Only the best of friends can insult someone’s fanbase and get away with it.
you forgot to talk about Xion ha ha get it please laugh
Hey, wasn’t Clayton a nobody when you killed him in KH1? Tarzan kept going on about how he already lost his heart before you fight him alongside a heartless that seemed to be following his orders like Ansem SoD’s Guardian (the one with Terra’s heart inside). Pretty sure Clayton survives due to recompletion.
Wait a minute:
7 dead KH characters
13 dead Disney characters
Nomura's trying to form a X-Blade of death!
Oh gosh...
Wow… I never noticed…
What about Xehanort and Eraqus' classmates?
Oh god damn it I am going to beat Nomura with 7 crowbars and 13 chairs if he doesn't let this number crap go already...
Ha ha, of course
I feel like it’s interesting how people blame Disney for the series’ lack of death, considering how many of their individual movies exceed the kill count of this action series.
Yeah, Nomura clearly has a lot of creative liberty and is the main person responsible for the "deaths" being undone all the time and other such retcons.
It’s kinda like Dragon Ball… no one really “dies”
Because modern Disney is a piece of shit, even in cases like Tangled Mother Gothel rapidly ages into dust. Compare that to Lion King where we see Mufasa fall to his death, we have multiple moments seeing the body and how it affects Simba. Gothel is an evil bitch, but she did raise Rapunzel even if it was for an ulterior motive, Rapunzel should've broken down crying like Gamora did after she thought she killed Thanos in Infinity War.
@@jomaq9233 yeah their die their just be brought back to life with the dragon balls.
@@heartless2147 THIS. they shy away from actual, believable sadness, death, and trauma rather than depict them as what they are. it's bullshit.
13:00 How Xion came back is identical to how Baymax came back in Big Hero 6. It’s explained in Re:Mind that Xion’s data was left behind in Vexen’s records. From there, they basically made a 2nd Xion model.
And when she fought Axel at the keyblade graveyard, the memories from within both Roxas & Axel’s heart went into Xion, thus bringing her back. Saix intentionally saying Axel and Roxas’s name helped this too.
wait I didn't realise saix intentionally helped with that,,,, maybe I can forgive him for terrorising xion in days now......maybe...
But I thought no one remember xion that why i confuse how is she in vixen file. Heck sora forget everything in castle oblivion isn’t that the same for xion.
@@om58499 Just because everyone forgot who she was, that doesn’t mean Xion’s research data wouldn’t be in Vexen’s files. The valuables a person leaves behind will still exist even if the person in question was forgotten. The same goes for real life.
How does her heart from within Sora factor into that?
@@WingerEdison It’s as simple as her heart transferring to her new body. Same with how Roxas’s heart jumped out of Sora and into the replica body that Vexen & Demyx helped give Ienzo
Aeba’s take about narrative death, (“let story beats affect you even if they’re undone a second later”) hit me and I realized I sometimes try to intellectualize scenes in games / movies more than I let myself feel them! That was a cool realization. Very neat video you two. Ok bye!
That's why it's called Kingdom Hearts lol.
I liked that segment as death can also mean metaphorical changes.
In Kingdom Hearts, it’s both literal and metaphorical as a character performs an arc and dies only to then be reborn into a new form and new personal change.
Essentially this is saying turn ur brain off.
Personally I've always been the type to let story beats affect me even if they are undone. I've just never been the critical type.
@@TheSeaBase Not exactly, just not to be so hypercritical if things don’t pan out to your personal expectations.
Expectations vs Narrative is a major issue among entertainment fans these days.
"if i had a heart, this would be where i die-"
this made me cackle so hard i died-
Wait a minute; despite dying you still were able to type this. Are you a Nobody now?
I can't wait for kh4 when Scar comes back again just to break Pat.
*somehow*
Just wait till they make Lion Pete with Ray tracing
@@kozukiangel5248 I am calling it right now, in 10 years you will think of this comment with tears in your eyes while beating up the optional super boss lion Pete in yozoras lion cub form, carrying the X-Blade telling yourself: I was so fucking right
Y’know, Aeba’s segment about the historical context of Disney death was very insightful. Great job you two.
It’s interesting that your interpretation of the soul in Kingdom Hearts is something like “life-juice” or in other words something that constitutes the living in living things, since this is exactly how Aristotle understands it as the concept that differentiates the living being from a nonliving object.
The part in Chain of Memories where axel makes vexen burst into flames as sora watches with a horrified look always scared me when i was little
I loved Aeba's part in this, what a great collaboration! I've never seen her work before, I'll have to check it out!
Aeba's "Go to hell" moment was so hilarious for some reason. She is funny for sure and you two do well in collaborations. I loved it!
Oogie Boogie looking totally dead and then just revealing he's absolutely not dead is canon, after his death in the original Nightmare Before Christmas he just kinda came back for the sequel video game (and had a final form that is legally distinct from but suspiciously like his last form in KH, it should be noted), after which he was killed, except in a way that doesn't really say he can't just come back a second time.
The way I've thought about it since DDD is this. Being turned into a heartless/nobody is completely separate from dying. On the contrary, it gives you an extra barrier to dying.
To die, your complete self needs to die at once. Being turned into a heartless simply splits your being into pieces until those pieces are defeated, at which point you're recompleted and vulnerable. Kind of like Horcruxes but with the added bonus of an extra life.
Any mad and strong willed tyrant ought to keep breaking their being apart to make themselves basically invulnerable.
I mean that was essentially Xehanort's plan.
28:09 The cutoff is so perfect
Dude, Aeba was about to get me tearing up too near the end of her segment 🥺🥺😭
Holy. Just....... holy does the ending with aeba hit hard for me. Makes me think of my grandparents and their love of Disney and how I handled their......yea
Guys that was phenomenal. Aeba almost had me crying at the end there. Very well made!
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i did cry. not ashamed
I love the tone difference with the neutral and Stoic Pat
The emotional and lovely Aba!
Loved the video guys you guys really dud kill it!
47:43
That. Entire. Detour. Was worth it for this punchline.
The entire 20+ minute thing that could have been it’s own video, love this channel, man.
Disney: Dead parents. Dead parents everywhere.
Even: Ienzo's parents are no longer with us, so we're taking care of him.
Ienzo: I don't really remember my parents.
Nomura, let the boy grieve. There is an arc here that's not being addressed because you can't be bothered to delve deeper into a situation that you've set up.
The Tremaines are the most confusing case - even if we don't see the result, we see Aqua's and Cinderella's heads tilting as if watching something flying in an arc, so I'd guess that they were just comically launched back, but...ugh, show us something!
I can't blame you both, along with many of your other friends, for having unique icons/mascots based off of the prismatic melody Heartless. They're just so cute!
I agree with almost everything you two said! Definitely one of your best videos yet! You even got me to subscribe to another youtuber, something no other channel managed to do!
"You'll like Absolutely Everything About here,
You'll like her there
On a train?
On a plane?
Why you'll like her in the rain."
Also just, more cute Heartless "bells" OCs in my life, this is good. Thank you both for the quality content I have immediately subbed to AEA's channel because why the heck would I not, she has a video about KH but with top tier eye color changes. It's the quality content I've yearned for in my life
What a watch. Never fails to impress Pat, AND Aeba, good work. 50 minutes flew by
1) Your script regards Emblem Heartless as being the hearts that went into their creation, but I've long held a perspective that the Heartless and the heart are distinct, and that the former is shaped by the latter. Purebloods are just darkness, influenced by whatever factors, but still usually more basic in function and form, usually just beefed up in their intensities. Emblems, though, are sweepingly distinct, but I'd say they still "are just darkness", but here more personally shaped by the heart they contain, and that defeating the Heartless is not defeating that heart, but freeing it from its animate containment (whether the heart exists in a physically discrete space or some metaphysical absence).
B) Took a while to get to it, but when discussing what happens to released hearts, I had long assumed they return to (the true) Kingdom Hearts, with the artificial one of the Organization intercepting hearts by that same mechanic. But that Nomura quote about hearts going into "suspension", grief, complicate it more, whydoncha?
This is where you must take word of god lore and ignore it, as there's not only no precedent, but lore directly showing the opposite. There's a certain point where less you retcon it in game, you cannot believe the writers there, as it doesn't fit with what they choose to show us.
As someone who tried to figure out how many people Sora has killed just last week (8 or 28, depending on your semantics) this video popping up in my recommendations is an incredible joy to witness. Finally, someone else thinking too much about death in KH.
To be fair, I don't think "Disney has a lot of deaths in different movies" really discredits the idea of "Disney could be preventing THIS story from having major deaths". But this was an insightful video, and I think we might be overestimating Disney's efforts in this regard, or at least underestimating Nomura's own penchant to negate or avoid death.
Stellar video! This series has been going for so long, and people are still making incredible content like this. This is one of the best kh analysis videos, and the most unique and thought provoking
"General Kairi appreciation"?!?!?! I'm subscribing to her immediately.
gah i love this video i’m so glad it’s officially out and about, one of my favorites for sure, thank you.
around 45:00 Idk why but I started tearing up, but hearing the music, and hearing her talk about grief and life really made me realize how special life is and how I take it for granted, I have yet to go through something as painful as grief yet and it is one of my biggest fears. I know it's a stupid kingdom hearts video and I'm sitting here playing kh3 at 6 in the morning worrying about stupid stuff, but it really is a special world we live in.
Thanks for the visual aid for Bad Mushrooms. Appreciated that.
not even finished with the video yet i already know that this is already your most impressive one so far. always interested in your kh commentary :D
Wait 7 original characters dead
13 non original characters of kingdom hearts
7
13
7 LIGHTS
13 DARKNESSES
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
This may be the channel that sets the record for most references to Kairi's grandmother on all of RUclips
You silly billy this is a Kingdom Hearts game no one else can die, and at the ending of the video you killed it/nailed it Regular Pat and her as well you ace the ending speech pretty well I do say so myself.
I'll admit with the big-ass diatribe on Disney's portrayal of death, I forgot this was a KH video lol.
Travis' will to make good on those accessory shop deals was strong enough to send his Nobody back inside with a friendly face and zero a-hyucks given.
I think the Fox and the Hound was also about stopping the cycle of revenge, honestly, given that Amos ultimately decides to not kill Todd out of anger for Chief's -death- injury. It's just that the bear winds up being a fairly out of nowhere plot device that serves as a lesson for Amos rather than a character.
Honestly, I actually think Square Enix would be more of the issue with death than Disney. I mean, just think of any Square Enix franchise and there is more than likely at least 1 character who "Dies" just to come back later. TWEWY is literally about dead people trying to fight to come back to life.
"Under a new life and new name in Argentina"
Daaaaamn, that's a good joke.
DARE I SAY this is the best one yet?? YES. I DO! Good as hell. Gaston's footstance is wack, thank you mr. pat and aeba for this bitchin vid!
Afaict, the only way disney is holding back this series is by preventing the games from doing anything original with the princess properties lest they risk the marketability of the precious brand. And even that is, on the franchise scale, a recent problem that really only hurt kh3.
Really it's up to the individual teams behind each film.
This basically became a completely different video by the halfway point
23:01 made me realize this video came out before the KH4 trailer haha
i noticed that too, was looking for this exact comment
As a Repliku fan, I honestly think there's a lot that coulda been done with him if they let him live. Like figuring out his own identity despite being a clone, connecting with Xion, Roxas, and reconnecting with Namine. I feel like killing him off a second time was kinda a slap in the face, and that if they were gonna go ahead and bring everyone back, they shoulda just stuck with him, too. Heck, Lea could've had to face the fact that he led this kid to his death. Lots of untapped potential. Alas!
Always happy to see more Aeba content, especially when it’s part of a Regular Pat video! Great stuff, and hopefully the first of many team ups for you two!
Oh Cool!! I love Aeba's content, it's quickly become one of my favorite KH channels.
What does it mean that immediately after the section on Heartless, an ad popped up featuring Kevin ... Hart? 🤔
The sheer amount of work you guys put into videos like this amazes me I love your content it makes me think about not just kh but every media I encounter in a more analytical way and it makes me so excited to come up with a theory or see that something I've theorized about pop up in one of your videos!
The “that’s a weird name” at 7:58 legitimately made me choke on my pizza.
The only reason Goofy was knocked unconscious was to get Mickey separated from the group and to let Sora fight solo with FF characters in Hollow Bastion during the "Thousand Heartless" battle set-piece.
Totally worth it. I forgive the games for bringing him back a minute later for the chance to fight alongside Cloud and Leon.
killin me with these incredibles clips around 29 min in, lmfao
100% credit to Aeba for that, she did the tracking for me because I'm a baby
this was amazing
This was delightful. Thank you both!
I still clap/quote Aeba's "Let. Story. Beats. Affect you." like once a week lol
45:35 I’ve actually been dead for several years now. The WiFi in the afterlife is really good.
Aeba almost made me cry when she talked about death in Disney movies .
Regarding the Emblem, Ansem did mention he marked them and the way the text reads to me seems to imply the machine didn't originally mark them
"The artificially and naturally created Heartless showed nearly identical traits. But the two types remain distinct for the purpose of the experiment. So, I will mark the ones that are created artificially."
The "So, I will" seems to indicate to me he did a separate thing to mark all Emblem Heartless, which in headcanon I just assume he did a magic spell to mark all of them and getting transformed into one triggers the magic to mark you.
this video reminds me that while i really enjoy kingdom hearts, it's also so fucking stupid lmao gotta love it
really great video btw!! you two are fantastic together!
this was such a great video! you two should collab more often. i would go subscribe to aeba if I wasn't already subscribed to her
So basically...
People: Are a body, heart, and soul. When they're slain, they go to the final world to wait for loved ones/a crisis to be resolved which caused them to come there in the first place, then they move on to Kingdom Hearts. Strelitzia was probably floating around there until Luxu brought her back. Xehanort's classmates are... unconfirmed, but I'm guessing that they're still waiting in the Final World since they haven't seen Xehanort and Eraqus, since the latter two just skipped the Final World and went straight to Kingdom Hearts.
Heartless: Are a heart. When slain, since they are a heart, they will do anything possible to reform or rejoin with a body and soul to become alive again.
Nobodies: Are a body and soul. When slain, they will do anything possible to rejoin a heart and become alive again, but are not quite as adamant as hearts since they don't really have clear goals and hopes.
Unversed: Are a body. They're just physical manifestations of Vanitas's emotion and as such have no heart or soul of their own.
Dream Eaters: Are a body and soul. They don't have a heart, per se, except perhaps Player's and Brain's (but just because those two seemed to have such a close bond with their Chirithy, while the other Chirithys kept their wielders at arm's length and vice versa). They are technically alive and have a physical form, but don't seem to be capable of rational thought (excluding Chirithys) beyond "Do this, fight that, keep my master safe."
Edit for adding Replicas: Are a body and soul, which can form a heart over time. When slain, their heart seems to go back to the person they were modeled after, as is the case with Repliku and Xion.
I love this collab!! Nice to meet you Aeba! 🗝️💖
I think Repliku only stuck around cause of how much emotion and feeling he managed to have during CoM so when he ended up in the realm of darkness he was able to keep himself together. His goal being to protect Namine and in helping Riku he finally achieved his goal and peaced out.
23:00
this aged a bit too well…
So did this. 18:12
Wow... I never thought I would be shedding tears at work from listening to a kh video about death ... That last quarter hit way too hard ..
Oh and Regular Steve or whatever was ok too or something.
Great Collab.
I knew this was gonna be a killer video (pun intended) as soon as I heard the intro
Pat this is a great video as always but your editing has evolved to the next level! Keep up the good work
Really good video, that went in a direction completely different than expected. You certainly "killed it".
PD: Did you know that, apparently, The Queen/Witch turned the Magic Mirror into an Unversed with that potion? They don't even elaborate how and why, but it's there. Messing with Vanitas' supposed exclusivity for absolutely no reason.
Wow! What a great video! Definitely one of the best Regular Pat videos about a KH five letter topic that runs about 50 minutes🤣
Okay, let me gush about this video now! There is so much research and thought put into this video! (I guess you could call yourself one of the apprentices, research is what you do, yes). I love that you really defined what death is and isn’t in the context of the game. I applaud you for making what is a convoluted concept and boiling into something digestible👏
I especially love that you compiled all of the canon deaths in the series! I don’t know if I’m surprised that there’s so few or surprised that there’s so many. It makes me wonder if Ienzo’s parents in BBS are included as characters that are dead in the series, even if we have never seen them. Probably not🤷♀️
This video really makes me wonder what the narrative purpose of death is in the KH series. Like the Goofy fake out. We know he can’t actually die - it’s Goofy - so why unalive him for a few seconds? Drama? I feel like there’s better ways of expressing drama. And that becomes even more obvious for the nobodies in 3, their deaths just don’t have the same weight. We as the audience and the characters in the game know they’re going to be recompleted so I wonder why it’s played off as so emotional. I’m definitely going to be critically thinking about how death is a tool for story telling the next time I boot up the game🤔
Not to mention that I am now going to binge all of Aeba‘s videos. I adore her speaking style and humor just from this video. Thank you for introducing me to a new KH channel! (Also, their takes on Isa are so valid)💖 I just watched their kingdom hearts fancast video and the second that she said Axel should be portrayed as gay and black I immediately subscribed. Sorry Pat, I have a new favorite channel💅
Also #fuckgurgi I hate that I even had to look at him for 0.7 seconds😤
This truly is a top tier video that I can’t wait to watch over and over again! The wait (and the amount of work you obviously put in) was 100% worth it!
Last thing YOUR HAIR IN THE OUTRO!? WHEN DID YOU DYE IT BLACK!?
get his regular ass 💅💅💅💅
i would also like to point out, that the TWEWY group from KHDDD, yeah they're dead too, that's the whole storyline from twewy they died and are playing the reaper's game to get a secone chance at life, in which they all gave up something important as an entry fee and wouls get it back if they won, but it and them would be erased if they lost, Shiki's entry fee was her appearance, Neku was his memories, Beat's was the memories of him from his sister, rhyme. and Rhyme is unknown because she isn't a playable character in the game and gets eaten by a noise shark halfway through the first week so that probably transfers over to the KH. in terms of how they died, Joshua has been running the game and so he isn't playing, nor do we know how he did die, but he did at some point, Beat ran out after a fight with his parents, rhyme went after them, And a car came out of nowhere, beat failed to pish rhyme out of the way in time and both got hit by it. Shiki seemingly died in an accident, i assume a car accident, but we only hear "an accident" and joshua shot neku, like with a gun
twice
then after that a separate character, named Coco shot Neku a third time after he came back to life, then joshua teleported him to a different city.
neku should invest in a bulletproof vest after getting shot on 3 seperate occasions
Idk how i ended up here but I'm glad to have found and watched this video
Excellent Collab. Hearing about Disney's relationship with death through the eras of films was super interesting.
Thank you for making this, Kingdom Hearts is really deep to me lol
Thank god Aeba let me know I’m alive. I was worried for a sec!
Vanitas joins back with Ventus after BBS. The vanitas that we fight is a version of him prior to the Keyblade graveyard fight in Ven’s story. As when Vanitas is defeated, he’s fused back into Ven’s heart as his station of awakening changes. He also gets a small bit of text in the KH character files that are exclusive to Japan, but have been translated. If anyone would like me to link it, I’ll be more than happy to.
He returns to a Formless Darkness.
Wow this was fantastic and I’m definitely gonna go check out her channel
i envy your ability to come up with good video essay topics
Another lovely video thank you
People in the KH Community are always quick to blame Disney for everything. I honestly don't think Disney as a company really cares what Square does they just sign off on things. Like people want to say Disney forced Frozen into KH3 which is why it seems so rushed. But maybe getting Frozen approved took alot of time or maybe they changed ideas alot while making it. Like I cant see Disney being like add Frozen or even Tron Legacy as another example.
Nomura admitted in an interview that Disney executives had more involvement in KH3 compared to the other games in the series, and they interfered heavily with the Arendelle world. Nomura intended on Sora, Donald and Goofy fighting Elsa because the earlier drafts for *Frozen* had Elsa written as a villain. After *Frozen* was changed to make Elsa a secondary character and to have Anna be her sister, Disney didn't want Nomura villainizing their most popular character at that point.
@@AluminumFusion22 Less of the executives, more of the individual teams behind each film; The rest has no concrete evidence to support.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 Yeah, I've seen Regular Pat talk about how the whole "Elsa was meant to be a villain" in KH3 is purely speculation because Disney had made Elsa a sympathetic character long before KH3 began development, which was the same year *Frozen* was released, back in 2013.
King Pat. Great video and will be sure to check out Aeba’s vids
Woah, this was a great video Pat, well done!
Okay, first off, this came out on my B-day...um...YES
Second, I am estatic about this topic because I talk about this all the time on discord with some folks. When they bring up that 'Oh, Disney wouldn't let them kill off more characters' and I'm like, 'Bro, Disney literally kills at least 2-4 people per movie half the time'
I think the Disney death that shocked me the most was probably Clayon. Tarzan TRIED to warn this man but his anger just drove him to keep cutting and cutting until he cut the wrong vine and...well, that's all folks. I remember gasping when I saw it for the first time when the lightning flashed and showed his hanging silhouette. Will stick with me forever.
Anyway, good video! Nice jokes and good explanation's all around. Looking forward to seeing more from the both of you.
I'm a fan of "tactical death" in any media.
People seens to want death for the sake of death, instead of being done with coherence and make an impact on the character/player.
Oh, and if not done right... I GODANM HATE FAKE OUT DEATHS! And I just stretch my tastes to Axel because I'm quite fond of him.
Given that Vexen is based off of the alchemist class from Final Fantasy I tend to interpret Xion's being, and Replicas in general, as something similar to a homunculus
Awesome video as always! Loved the editing in this one :D
The king and queen of RUclips have returned.
Thank you!! Pat's a very good Queen 👑
@@Aeba wait a minute
Good news to Abea:
Kairi's Grandmother could just be a heartless and barely released, leading to awkward time messery, but also the perfect excuse for Kairi to face the prospect of her grandmother dying.
I was crying at the end when talking about Grief. It was so poignant and wonderful.
Here two years later and Strelitzia is objectively alive. Vanitas is also one of the immortal darknesses that can't die so I guess this lovable fuckfest of a series is just going to get more and more convoluted when it comes to death lmao
"This can't be happening..."
"Light...B-But why?!"
"No...Please don't! I don't want to - !"
"I think I'm...I'm fading?! No, this isn't...the way I...I won't...ALLOW..."
"So this...This is the heart of a hero!"
"You are the Superior's...? Forgive me, Zexion. This is a fight I should not have started."
"You can't do this!"
"A faithful replica until the very end. That's...okay."
"I feel...cold."
"Simba...!"
"No wayyyyy!"
"Is this the end?"
"That belongs to me!"
"No...How can I BE defeated again, by a pack of filthy street rats?"
"We...would have made a great team..."
"Kairi's in the castle dungeon. Now go!"
"Wouldn't you like to know?"
"How could you, Roxas?"
"Kingdom Hearts...Where is my heart?"
"Cursed...Keyblade..."
"Good-bye, Roxas. See you again. I'm glad...I got to meet you. Oh...and of course, Axel, too. You're both my best friends. Never forget. That's the truth."
"My own heart is darkness!"
"Why..."
"And He shall smite the wicked and plunge them into the fiery pit. Forever!"
"Judgment is mine!"
"No...Why?"
"He's my son."
"No! Oh no. No...What have you done? What have you done?!"
"You're not...real...I'm...the real one..."
"Good luck."
"What? It is time to move on, boy...There is more to seek...so go forth now, and seek it..."
"Really? It must take...incredible strength..."
"Goodbye, Sora. Your time...in this world is - !"
"Here. Ready, my friend?"
"Yes..."
22:54 This aged well. Ain’t it isn’t even a joke.
Pointing the “white finger” as Disney for not killing off characters doesn’t work for an OBVIOUS reason- all of the characters that officially die are Disney characters. True, it’s for continuity for the Disney story but that’s still the fact. Most deaths are disney deaths.
Something I realy like about Disney villain deaths is that its usually the villains fault on the end. Gaston stabs beast despite beast no longer being a threat and beasts reeling back causes him to fall. Frolo gets saved by Quasimodo then immediately tries to kill him but his weight causes the gargoyle he was standing on to break under him. Clayton was caight in vines and sace from falling to his death the immediately starts to wildly slash around him to attack Tarzan causing the vines to snap leaving him to hang as the vibe around his neck snaps it. These are all villains who got a second chance but was to caught up in their villainy to take that chance.
Woody roast on Young xehanort is the closest thing to a death in the entire franchise
aeba you got me when you said "fiancé-divorcé-fiancé Saix"
This is one of my favorite videos on the channel.
“If I had a heart this would be where I die” got me