Shout out to Tasteless and his improvement as a caster. I think over the last year he's been either massing games or studying the meta because his level of detail and insight is much better vs one year ago. I was thinking he might be getting burned out and his comments seemed to be just reiterating what Artosis would say but in this game in particular he still shows his ability to read the game and cast a great series.
Tasteless' Brood War insight was never lacking, but his understanding is more intuitive than analytical. So as a duo they started out with fixed roles. Tasteless in control of the casting flow and Artosis being the critical commentator. Over time they have been switching up the roles fluidly as their synergy grew. To me these contemporary praises are of an analytical-minded community being appeased. Well good job to Tasteless for that.
@@alexfriedman2047 it just goes through a new evolution stage. Right now it is the zerg era but it doesn't mean that protoss players won't come up with something new.
@@DarkLeviathan8 lol a D rank player talks shit and calls an A rank player bad loool 😂🤣🤣 and then if you actually are good then you are just an asshole, but i doubt that you know anything about the game.
After watching this, especially the first game, I feel like Protoss players will have to shift the PvZ meta. The old school gateway style doesn't seem to cut it when Zerg gets to the macro stage and has Lurker contain. New players like Soma start expanding more aggressively and quickly get an endless lurker contain. With a good spread, even storms cannot break through; Protoss cannot trade efficiently into this. Zerg is free to develop, and at max supply for each side, it's just a matter of time until Zerg wins. I'm expecting Protoss players to have a more technical approach next season. We'll probably see more Corsair/Reaver play, avoiding "fair" fights altogether. Technical play usually is the best answer to aggressive expanding. With that said, let's not talk like Best is already eliminated. I'm sure he isn't intending to roll over and die. He'll come prepared. :)
He was up 40 supply after the first few trades. I think the real problem is losing the Templars to just randomly running them into lurkers. If they would shift click or put them in a shuttle or something it might allow them to snowball with like 7 templars gaining continuous value.
Nope! Snow himself mentioned in his personal channel that this match up is extremely unfavorable for him, for that Soma’s amateur background and unorthodox style find him weak against those with strong optimization & multitasking, traits that Snow doesn’t have. Also, Zeus criticized Snow for not going double robo reavers in game 1, and not seeing the “obvious ling all in” on 3rd - Zeus says the moment Snow gas rushed Soma and killed two drones, Soma was given no choice but to go ling all in (he said it before lings popped out of eggs) because Soma originally went for 2 hatch play. Too late for tech (gas rush) and too behind to go econ (2 hatch start with 2 drones killed). And since he started mining gas already and is taking the lead by 2:0, he might as well just go all in. And Soma did.
Best is the only Protoss I've seen who frequently uses dark archons. His openness to new strategy is exactly what Protoss needs right now against Zergs who look like they broke PvZ. I'm looking forward to what he brings against Queen.
"It's funny too Artosis, it's funny, don't forget, the plague reveals the Observer. How sad is that. Hydras can inadvertently just shoot them down when they don't even have any HP anymore." As a Protoss degenerate I love when Tasteless makes a good point against Artosis! hehehehe
@@yeon723 >”grandma” >for a game dating back to the early 90s That young thing be repping that tight leather dress-skirt daaaammmn fiiiine. ... ‘Course we-be-thirsting! Damn-admirable what she does la~
Am I crazy or would dweb have not been an amazing upgrade to have in game 1 (around 40:00) when snow was trying to take the highground? He already had like 12 corsairs and was trying to go across 2 bridges and up high ground against a bunch of lurkers. Just throw down some dwebs and he has to pull back or lose everything to storm/goons. Seems like the perfect use-case.
excellent games this season but damn I miss the round of season 9, they were so entertaining and back and forth, so many games, this... this is a MASSACRE!
Soma's come a long way. I remember him as ChosimZerg and losing in earlier rounds and damn he's refined his game, his micro/macro is looking near flawless, and his strats and little mind games were insane too. He's my pick to win it all
As a Protoss can I just say: Soma is my new (non-July and of course non-Jaedong but also non-GGPlay) favorite Zerg... because if a Zerg is gonna 3-0 a Protoss... MAY IT BE (cue Enya song from Fellowship of the Ring which I already had going for completely unrelated reasons) LIKE THIS!
Protosses, it's about time you find a counterplay to the Zerg siege. *Recall, D-web, mass drops, carriers*, I don't care, please no more hitting the wall with your head until you're KO. On another note, Stargirl was so classy!
Carriers and arbiters are far too slow vs scourge and protoss doesn't have real ways to protect them other than corsair. Not to mention, the cost of resource and time to make either t3 stargate units is very difficult to overcome in pvz. Templar tech barely comes out in time; t3 stargate would be at least 2-3 minutes later.
Anyone else screaming what about disruption web???? To deal with the lurker contain. You can just literally walk right on to the high ground and position perfectly against them or force them to pick up and move back.
As a zerg player I would like to see protoss use disruptive web vs lurkers. Especially the lurkers in the back on the highground. Not the ones in the front.
That always seemed like a good idea, to me. But, after a patch drastically reduced the amount of time a disruption web persists, nobody thinks it's worthwhile.
too expensive and lurkers are too spread out. plus corsairs become quite brittle mid-late game to hydras so if they fly a little too close to use web, hydras will eat them alive
@Daniel Garcia that's missing the point. I said to cast it behind the first lurker row. That means toss can freely advance over the bridge and up the hill. zerg wouldn't be able to defend the first line of lurkers and then toss would be able to fight on high ground. Reaver helps too, but he already had a bunch of corsairs that barely did anything at that point. Also reavers need a lot of attention.
Somehow I knew from the beeps this [Game 1] was gonna be one of those 2 player map PvZs that comes down to whether the map splits 50-50 or whether Zerg is able to snipe a base from the "other half" of the map. Soma baited Snow HARD with that gaseous fart fleet of scourge into playing too passive/defensive to be able to secure the 12 o'clock base "BETTER LABELED AS: THE WIN". The storm drop was too little too late. There's this dynamic on 2 player maps in PvZ where if it's too easy to split the map 50 / 50 Protoss can aim for splitting the map in half and starving the Zerg out. But Soma made a great move to expand to the "5th" before the 3rd and to set up that contain to be able to get the 12 o'clock base and therefore the win. The quintessential game I'm thinking of is the Proleague ace match between Stork and Jaedong on Match Point which is here: ruclips.net/video/Ijf6RysNq9I/видео.html Awesome game from both players... dang it I'm hooked on Brood War again...
@@premo2k781 judging by this zvp series, he might need more than one game of Terran, we haven’t seen much of flash Zerg, but I believe pro Zergs should have the advantage in zvz. Other Players might need some time to adapt vs a random in order to optimise their openings. That being said I still can’t believe the goat is doing a random run lol
bringing ovies would've just gotten him supply blocked since snow had a full group of +1 corsairs--plus, he wanted snow to keep attacking in since he was on the high ground and snow had to funnel through two narrow bridges
Game 2 and 3 were painful to watch. Game 1 was frustrating to see Snow not change his strategy, he kept trying to get break through the heavy lurker defense. I think the Finals are gonna be Soma vs Flash.
6 hours per week? Not even close. Sorry. These guys play more than 6 hours per DAY. By the time you accrue the knowledge and intuition and muscle-memory for the game, you will be too old to play it at a competitive level. That isn't to say you cant become very high level or have a lot of fun, but I highly doubt you can become a professional player with that time allotment.
1:20:00 Super greed of protoss. You see 10 Drones zerg vs like 20 probes, see that many lings infront of your wall and your gate about to fall - and you don't even make shield battery or bring probes.
this matchup does feel solved after seeing soma destroy the last few protosses, all of whom are amazing pvzers. feels like on any regular ground map, P will be at a heavy disadvantage versus what zergs are doing nowadays. time to bring back dire straits? it seems tricky to design a map where all the matchups will be balanced though, good challenge to the map makers
Protoss just have to innovate. Happens all the time in brood war. Snow isn’t the best person to watch for this he really isn’t that good or innovative in pvz
Agree! After first game being so long you pretty much knew it was 3-0 and after second game you definitely knew. Spoiler alert extra hour is much needed
practicing vrs random is easy. Just get 3 of the best Z P T players you can find and then whichever race get drawn you have the person that mains that race to sit down. I don't think its easy to master playing versus random but practicing is pretty straightforward granted you can find good players that want to help you.
I thought snow was supposed to still be really good. He got completely destroyed in this series! Game 2 and 3 I just felt bad for him :( that lurker run by!
Spoiler... Looks like Snow, once again, out-thought himself and *didn't* go reaver. I guess he doesn't wanna be predictable, but there's just one teensy-weensy problem. Snow without a reaver loses, hard. Look at all those contains he tried to break, each time *without* a reaver. Snow's brain gets smaller every time he meets Flash.
that is actually about to prevent cheating. over-ear headphone for noise-cancelling makes players impossible to hear crowds and commentator. in-ear one is for hear in-game sounds
Game 1, a dark archon, disruption web, a single reaver, or arbiter for recall any of those would have made a difference. Game 2, I got nothing. Game 3, that cannon was late. Game 4, What? Game 5 Lol. GG
Toss needs a more balanced strategy between reavers and gateway units. Gateway units just can't outscale zerg late game, zerg is too mobile and sends wave after wave. Pure reaver corsair is good for harass but can't win. A gateway army with some reavers is so much stronger than just gateway units alone
Still loling at Tastosis trying to tell us soma is on the way to becoming the best player in the world while Flash is loling undefeated into the round of 4 like someone that found a way to wallhack in pro CS legally or how to be a millionaire as a crack addict because his dad has been in the senate for 40 years buuuuuuuuuut.... @41:15 when Soma targets the advancing Archon with Lurker spines... much respect. Not as much respect as he already earned earlier in the match (first Soma vid I've seen I think, definitely seen Snow a lot though if he played on TV before SC2 came out I don't remember it), and not as much respect as he already earned with his name, whether it be a reference to the Rigveda, Brave New World, or something else entirely, but still.... respect. :)
lol, what the fuck, soma is good but he hasnt won anything yet and if you actually look at the preinterview, you will notice that snow already looked like a beaten man. Keep the church in the town before praising him high. Also snow didnt know what he was up against and didnt react perfectly nor did he used different units to try to bust it. Plus he suffered economical damage from early mutaslisk... Soma looks good, but we will see how good he is after he won the ASL, if he wins it...
its not really fair to do that kind of comparison because the game has evolved so much, one could argue that any 2200+ ladder player nowadays is miles ahead of most of the best pros back in the day in terms of overall strategy and game approach
i dont know why there are rumors that he is gay. he has a girlfriend who is planning to get married. maybe you even think he pretend straight cause he isnt strong enough to stand up to homophobic people and structures but as far as i know, i strongly believe he is not gay your korean skill is great. still if you want try to refine it a bit, it would be more natural if you say 궁금한 건데 instead of 궁금하지만, 사실 -> 정말, 무작위의 사람 -> 불특정 다수, 단지 -> 그냥
@@ghtjdrla 아 감사합니다! 한동안 한국어를 배웠지만 요즘 한국어 공부를 많이 하지 않아요. 그래서 작은 실수를 가끔 해요. May I ask What is the "건데" in 궁금한 건데 ??? Does it come from 것? As In a curious thing? Or what's the grammar? Yeah I heard that he's gay from some random people. Someone was leaving comments about how gay he is lol. I was like WTF?!?!? because I have never heard that and he doesn't seem gay, he seems completley normal and straight. Actually, you are most likely right, he is probably straight. Thanks again for your help bro!! I really appriciate when people are willing to help 외국인. I have met some REALLY good, nice Korean people who have helped me. I have also met a bunch of ass holes lmao. That's how any country or large group of people will be though, there will always be some good people and some bad people. It's been really great meeting the good Korean people though so far. Such good people almost always. Koreans are really talented people.
@@alexfriedman2047 www.italki.com/question/345552?hl=ko i think this could be the answer to your question about 건데 its regrettable that you had bad memories with some koreans but i hope dont mind rude ones much and leave only pleasant memories and hope there will be only good things in the future. and of course okay to ask more anything
I dunno about arbiters because scourge exist, but absolutely snow should have gotten reavers. If snow had a reaver in the back punishing when zerg tries to run forward, who knows
I'm still not sold on Soma's ZvT. He often struggles to transition from Mutalisk to late-game tech. We'll see how he performs against Flash when he does get Terran. :)
@@GrandBenja soma s zvt is his worst for sure .but still very good .last seasons semis against light specifically the 4th game describes perfectly what you ve said where soma had a massive advantage and couldnt transition and eventually lost the semis instead of going to a fifth game.Also his record vs t against flash is bad but everybodys record against him is bad.I think if he keeps his cool he can win the semis(which is like 25 % chance lol )
yeah Flashes R in showmatches was kinda fun and let's say not reliable. But seeing him play it now I kinda have a feeling he has decent chances of winning the whole thing.
@@7thquark309 You gonna need also fleet beacon though. And that is extra 300/200. This adds up to 500/400 AND you still need spend some more on the corsairs AND tribunal AND arbiter AND recall AND extra stargate (you don't wanna produce corsair and arbiter from the same stargate) AND fighting units. Personally I think that dark archons are a more viable option. Heck, I actually think that in situations like that mind control is not all that bad.
We haven't really seem flash's zerg yet properly, so depending on how the random dice rolls It might not go as we expect, also we haven't seen his pvz yet either. I feel like protoss and Terran have a lot of transferable skills, but zerg has such a different feel and macro style to Terran and toss, and we'll any race in rts for that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if his zerg is still lagging behind his other two races at the moment, suppose we'll find out soon.
@@yeetbra9485 ive seen him play zerg mutiple times on stream and its unbelievable - but im 90 percent sure he will lose to soma. Unless he rolls terran 3 times, i feel he loses, which is pretty unlikely.
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Shout out to Tasteless and his improvement as a caster. I think over the last year he's been either massing games or studying the meta because his level of detail and insight is much better vs one year ago. I was thinking he might be getting burned out and his comments seemed to be just reiterating what Artosis would say but in this game in particular he still shows his ability to read the game and cast a great series.
That is true. He is getting better.
I agree but also remember his hand was out of commission for awhile and I’m sure he was pretty bummed about that and obviously couldn’t play any SC.
Tasteless' Brood War insight was never lacking, but his understanding is more intuitive than analytical. So as a duo they started out with fixed roles. Tasteless in control of the casting flow and Artosis being the critical commentator. Over time they have been switching up the roles fluidly as their synergy grew. To me these contemporary praises are of an analytical-minded community being appeased. Well good job to Tasteless for that.
he started playing Brood War again about a year or so after so many years
he's low A / high B rank protoss
Tastosis screaming NOOOO NOOO in game 3 pretty much sums it up
“Not like this” straight up Matrix reference.
@@alexfriedman2047 it just goes through a new evolution stage. Right now it is the zerg era but it doesn't mean that protoss players won't come up with something new.
@@alexfriedman2047 -Sincerely, Alex, an E-rank player. Thank you for your insight, Alex.
@@DarkLeviathan8 lol a D rank player talks shit and calls an A rank player bad loool 😂🤣🤣 and then if you actually are good then you are just an asshole, but i doubt that you know anything about the game.
@@DarkLeviathan8 If you want to 1v1 let mw know. Ill fukin crush you, foo.
10:43 Tasteless & Artosis
24:38 Game 1
59:20 Game 2
1:15:42 Game 3
1:25:57 Game 4
1:47:32 Game 5
Very hoping :D
Spoiler free time stamps are the best.
Doing God’s work, ma man~
The return of double stargate reaver is upon us
After watching this, especially the first game, I feel like Protoss players will have to shift the PvZ meta. The old school gateway style doesn't seem to cut it when Zerg gets to the macro stage and has Lurker contain. New players like Soma start expanding more aggressively and quickly get an endless lurker contain. With a good spread, even storms cannot break through; Protoss cannot trade efficiently into this. Zerg is free to develop, and at max supply for each side, it's just a matter of time until Zerg wins.
I'm expecting Protoss players to have a more technical approach next season. We'll probably see more Corsair/Reaver play, avoiding "fair" fights altogether. Technical play usually is the best answer to aggressive expanding.
With that said, let's not talk like Best is already eliminated. I'm sure he isn't intending to roll over and die. He'll come prepared. :)
Agreed, Zerg are expanding like true parasites. Maybe recall, maybe more Dark Archons is the answer. Also, Soma is just too good.
Best is much better PvZ than Snow, he has a better chance
He was up 40 supply after the first few trades. I think the real problem is losing the Templars to just randomly running them into lurkers. If they would shift click or put them in a shuttle or something it might allow them to snowball with like 7 templars gaining continuous value.
Nope! Snow himself mentioned in his personal channel that this match up is extremely unfavorable for him, for that Soma’s amateur background and unorthodox style find him weak against those with strong optimization & multitasking, traits that Snow doesn’t have. Also, Zeus criticized Snow for not going double robo reavers in game 1, and not seeing the “obvious ling all in” on 3rd - Zeus says the moment Snow gas rushed Soma and killed two drones, Soma was given no choice but to go ling all in (he said it before lings popped out of eggs) because Soma originally went for 2 hatch play. Too late for tech (gas rush) and too behind to go econ (2 hatch start with 2 drones killed). And since he started mining gas already and is taking the lead by 2:0, he might as well just go all in. And Soma did.
Best is the only Protoss I've seen who frequently uses dark archons. His openness to new strategy is exactly what Protoss needs right now against Zergs who look like they broke PvZ. I'm looking forward to what he brings against Queen.
"It's funny too Artosis, it's funny, don't forget, the plague reveals the Observer. How sad is that. Hydras can inadvertently just shoot them down when they don't even have any HP anymore." As a Protoss degenerate I love when Tasteless makes a good point against Artosis! hehehehe
Thank you AfreecaTV.
The thirst in chat whenever that lady shows up lol
you mean grandma lol
Thirst chat is reallllll! :O
Do you guys know how old she is lmao
@@yeon723 >”grandma”
>for a game dating back to the early 90s
That young thing be repping that tight leather dress-skirt daaaammmn fiiiine.
... ‘Course we-be-thirsting! Damn-admirable what she does la~
She is thirst-inducing tbf.
One of the best tournaments so far
always depressing when there's less than an hour left in the program and the games haven't even started yet xd
haha the old short video spoiler alert
You can get a chrome extension called "anticipation". It hides the time on youtube videos.
@@abstractdaddy1384 mvp suggestion, thanks
First thing I thought when I saw the length was "shit its a 3-0"
@@abstractdaddy1384 thanks so much, this will change my life
'Look at this YOLO game over here...'
(seconds later)
'NOOOOOOOO!'
Am I crazy or would dweb have not been an amazing upgrade to have in game 1 (around 40:00) when snow was trying to take the highground? He already had like 12 corsairs and was trying to go across 2 bridges and up high ground against a bunch of lurkers. Just throw down some dwebs and he has to pull back or lose everything to storm/goons. Seems like the perfect use-case.
excellent games this season but damn I miss the round of season 9, they were so entertaining and back and forth, so many games, this... this is a MASSACRE!
Time to bring back the good ol' days of corsair + reaver
Thought Snow's BGM sounded familiar. It's from ASL 5! Makes sense since that was his best season.
so nostalgic :D ...
Soma's come a long way. I remember him as ChosimZerg and losing in earlier rounds and damn he's refined his game, his micro/macro is looking near flawless, and his strats and little mind games were insane too. He's my pick to win it all
Agreed. Flash may not be ready to contend with soma using random if he doesn't at least get terrain once.
As a Protoss can I just say: Soma is my new (non-July and of course non-Jaedong but also non-GGPlay) favorite Zerg... because if a Zerg is gonna 3-0 a Protoss... MAY IT BE (cue Enya song from Fellowship of the Ring which I already had going for completely unrelated reasons) LIKE THIS!
Yes, today we witnessed the Zerg again.
Protosses, it's about time you find a counterplay to the Zerg siege.
*Recall, D-web, mass drops, carriers*, I don't care, please no more hitting the wall with your head until you're KO.
On another note, Stargirl was so classy!
Recall is a good idea IMO.
You gonna need dark archons as well. Feedback defilers, or even better: mind control some and then plague.
Well Snow the best Shuttle reaver player in the world and he plays gateway vs lurkers again and again...
This game has not been solved yet, give it another 10 years maybe.
Carriers and arbiters are far too slow vs scourge and protoss doesn't have real ways to protect them other than corsair. Not to mention, the cost of resource and time to make either t3 stargate units is very difficult to overcome in pvz. Templar tech barely comes out in time; t3 stargate would be at least 2-3 minutes later.
Good 1st & 3rd games.
Soma's immortal game
Soma vs Flash is going to be interesting.
Maybe. If the Random Gods will it.
Flash will win.
Hopefully Soma improved because he got rolled over last time they met in ASL
@@GSE1916 He got rolled by light, not Flash, but still his tvz skills are worse than his pvz, so random is actually an advantage for Soma
@@igorkamerzan he did get rolled by Flash in the 3rd place match if you watched it
Great job casting Tastosis! Island/Semi-Island maps are awesome. Stop the hate! Embrace the chaos!!! Hoping for ZVZ final SOMAvsLARVA!
Anyone else screaming what about disruption web???? To deal with the lurker contain. You can just literally walk right on to the high ground and position perfectly against them or force them to pick up and move back.
Hey, someone know the name of the sing in the end, when larva won?
As a zerg player I would like to see protoss use disruptive web vs lurkers. Especially the lurkers in the back on the highground. Not the ones in the front.
Smart. That would've been worth a try for sure.
That always seemed like a good idea, to me. But, after a patch drastically reduced the amount of time a disruption web persists, nobody thinks it's worthwhile.
too expensive and lurkers are too spread out. plus corsairs become quite brittle mid-late game to hydras so if they fly a little too close to use web, hydras will eat them alive
@@AlmightyDreadlock the short time is a buff for protoss, otherwise toss would disrupt itself when advancing. It's long enough
@Daniel Garcia that's missing the point. I said to cast it behind the first lurker row. That means toss can freely advance over the bridge and up the hill. zerg wouldn't be able to defend the first line of lurkers and then toss would be able to fight on high ground. Reaver helps too, but he already had a bunch of corsairs that barely did anything at that point. Also reavers need a lot of attention.
Somaversnow. I like it.
Does anyone know what the name of the song that starts at 52:21?
Somehow I knew from the beeps this [Game 1] was gonna be one of those 2 player map PvZs that comes down to whether the map splits 50-50 or whether Zerg is able to snipe a base from the "other half" of the map. Soma baited Snow HARD with that gaseous fart fleet of scourge into playing too passive/defensive to be able to secure the 12 o'clock base "BETTER LABELED AS: THE WIN". The storm drop was too little too late. There's this dynamic on 2 player maps in PvZ where if it's too easy to split the map 50 / 50 Protoss can aim for splitting the map in half and starving the Zerg out. But Soma made a great move to expand to the "5th" before the 3rd and to set up that contain to be able to get the 12 o'clock base and therefore the win. The quintessential game I'm thinking of is the Proleague ace match between Stork and Jaedong on Match Point which is here: ruclips.net/video/Ijf6RysNq9I/видео.html Awesome game from both players... dang it I'm hooked on Brood War again...
Broooo protest the hero and in flames is it 2010 or am I bumpin
daed gaem jokes when Flash going Random is the most exciting thing in years Kappa
I'm hooked again and even watching this series...
I couldn't watch this... where have all the reavers gone?
I think soma will win it all this year. He's on point
You forgetting Flash's random?
@@kaydens6964 I can't deny that. He is amazing. But it's his first year using it and if he doesn't at least get terrain once he might lose.
@@premo2k781 judging by this zvp series, he might need more than one game of Terran, we haven’t seen much of flash Zerg, but I believe pro Zergs should have the advantage in zvz. Other Players might need some time to adapt vs a random in order to optimise their openings. That being said I still can’t believe the goat is doing a random run lol
@@kaydens6964 Was there any game with Flash as Zerg at all? I don't remember seeing one.
Name of the song prior to the games?
Why did they take away scourage from SC2?
That game 1 was WITHOUT Soma bringing overlords to snipe the observers. Everything revealed, nwbtoss still had no chance.
bringing ovies would've just gotten him supply blocked since snow had a full group of +1 corsairs--plus, he wanted snow to keep attacking in since he was on the high ground and snow had to funnel through two narrow bridges
STARCRAFT BROODWAR #1
Even though it seems soma is a better player overall
Snow played really well this series
Damn flash might get rolled
Gonna be a fricking good series, man
Game 2 and 3 were painful to watch. Game 1 was frustrating to see Snow not change his strategy, he kept trying to get break through the heavy lurker defense. I think the Finals are gonna be Soma vs Flash.
please add padding to videos at the end
I want to become as good as soma but I don´t have more than 6 hours a week to play. Is that enough?
Yes
6 hours per week? Not even close. Sorry.
These guys play more than 6 hours per DAY.
By the time you accrue the knowledge and intuition and muscle-memory for the game, you will be too old to play it at a competitive level.
That isn't to say you cant become very high level or have a lot of fun, but I highly doubt you can become a professional player with that time allotment.
1:20:00 Super greed of protoss. You see 10 Drones zerg vs like 20 probes, see that many lings infront of your wall and your gate about to fall - and you don't even make shield battery or bring probes.
have replay?
this matchup does feel solved after seeing soma destroy the last few protosses, all of whom are amazing pvzers. feels like on any regular ground map, P will be at a heavy disadvantage versus what zergs are doing nowadays. time to bring back dire straits? it seems tricky to design a map where all the matchups will be balanced though, good challenge to the map makers
Protoss just have to innovate. Happens all the time in brood war. Snow isn’t the best person to watch for this he really isn’t that good or innovative in pvz
Soma is on another level, Flash level. And protoss played bad.
Rolled!
I can’t even imagine how he kept himself from putting two hatcheries with sunkens on these high grounds 39:07.
My thought
unbuildable high ground. cant build stuff up there
What kind of sick person puts jelly on first? You get PB in the jelly jar cause PB is on first.
That third game, damn :(
Why don't zerg broodling high templars?
Lul that would never be worth it
Queens are useless in pvz
Besides Mutas can snipe templars just fine
1:22:01 look at the adrenaline pumping thru soma in this moment
AfreecaTV, please include an hour of nothing at the end just so we aren't spoiled by the length of the video.
Agree! After first game being so long you pretty much knew it was 3-0 and after second game you definitely knew. Spoiler alert extra hour is much needed
Thatd be a bad idea for them if you consider the youtube algorithm
11:44 - Anybody got an ID on this song?
need to add some filler at the end so you can't tell how many games are left
Whats the first song? at 0:00
Sandstorm - Darude
@@sethiddings7293 huhu
Man even Tasteless knows you need a separate knife for everything and he doesn't even know what pants are for.
I felt like Snow was just tilted after Game 1.
Can’t blame him. That was torture. Ultra cheesy strat abusing the map design.
@@markwhat619 how was game 1 cheesy lol
@@erichall090909 people don't even understand what's cheesy is...
@@user-eq3qf6ty6u lol it’s like. Played completely standard.... cheesy
Snow was on tilt since losing to flash in pvp
practicing vrs random is easy. Just get 3 of the best Z P T players you can find and then whichever race get drawn you have the person that mains that race to sit down. I don't think its easy to master playing versus random but practicing is pretty straightforward granted you can find good players that want to help you.
Artosis: these lings arent going to do anything
Soma: lul k
TFW you see the video is 100mins and you know someone got 3-0'd
I thought snow was supposed to still be really good. He got completely destroyed in this series! Game 2 and 3 I just felt bad for him :( that lurker run by!
Snow is good but soma is a better player now
Flash in trouble :(
Nicely done! My hopes and cryings were listened!
Casters talk about builds and strategies !
Leveling up, Bois!
*** SPOILER ALERT***
until the protoss start using more of their tech (DAs and DWeb), they won't win tournaments.
Spoiler...
Looks like Snow, once again, out-thought himself and *didn't* go reaver. I guess he doesn't wanna be predictable, but there's just one teensy-weensy problem. Snow without a reaver loses, hard. Look at all those contains he tried to break, each time *without* a reaver. Snow's brain gets smaller every time he meets Flash.
snow should of used d web and broke the contain that way.
Lol what is this d-web crazy nonsense. Try reaver. All those attempts to breakout lacked a reaver...
Why do they wear two headphones?
that is actually about to prevent cheating. over-ear headphone for noise-cancelling makes players impossible to hear crowds and commentator. in-ear one is for hear in-game sounds
Game 1, a dark archon, disruption web, a single reaver, or arbiter for recall any of those would have made a difference.
Game 2, I got nothing.
Game 3, that cannon was late.
Game 4, What?
Game 5 Lol.
GG
Dweb on lurkers is interesting, i mean you got all the corsair anyways
Can someone please tell Artosis that the word important is pronounced "im-por-tant", not "im-por-int"?
Toss needs a more balanced strategy between reavers and gateway units. Gateway units just can't outscale zerg late game, zerg is too mobile and sends wave after wave. Pure reaver corsair is good for harass but can't win. A gateway army with some reavers is so much stronger than just gateway units alone
Name song at 1:22:57?
The unguided - Crown Prince Syndrome
@47:30 running upgraded speedlots through a bunch of shit is something even crappy player me can always appreciate
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얘넨 스타 볼 줄 알고 보는건가 ㅋㅋ 신기하네
Ang ki mo jji
1:08:20
Scumbag lurker run by 🤣🤣
Catching a Dragon instead of attacking the nexus is a God-like move
Snow lost because he lost first zealot so stupidly.
To think that the first game only needed 2 reavers to clean up those lurkers, with HTs and goons behind.
dont think its that simple at that level it never is he would ve killed them you can be sure
I agree. Maybe not only 2, but yes use of reavers in general would have helped. Scarabs do full damage under dark swarm and outrange lurkers 8 to 6.
I always though Protoss was OP. The more i play this game, the more i understand that Zerg is OP. Its just hideous and I play zerg!
Still loling at Tastosis trying to tell us soma is on the way to becoming the best player in the world while Flash is loling undefeated into the round of 4 like someone that found a way to wallhack in pro CS legally or how to be a millionaire as a crack addict because his dad has been in the senate for 40 years buuuuuuuuuut.... @41:15 when Soma targets the advancing Archon with Lurker spines... much respect. Not as much respect as he already earned earlier in the match (first Soma vid I've seen I think, definitely seen Snow a lot though if he played on TV before SC2 came out I don't remember it), and not as much respect as he already earned with his name, whether it be a reference to the Rigveda, Brave New World, or something else entirely, but still.... respect. :)
Well, that second and third games were just disgusting and painful to watch... First was nice. Looking forward to soma vs flash, should be fun :)
Was Jaedong better than Soma in Jaedongs heyday?
lol, what the fuck, soma is good but he hasnt won anything yet and if you actually look at the preinterview, you will notice that snow already looked like a beaten man. Keep the church in the town before praising him high.
Also snow didnt know what he was up against and didnt react perfectly nor did he used different units to try to bust it. Plus he suffered economical damage from early mutaslisk...
Soma looks good, but we will see how good he is after he won the ASL, if he wins it...
its not really fair to do that kind of comparison because the game has evolved so much, one could argue that any 2200+ ladder player nowadays is miles ahead of most of the best pros back in the day in terms of overall strategy and game approach
Different metagame back then.
@@majormononoke8958 what's happened to jaedong anyway? flash and bisu are still playing
@@kabuteshiitake7071 Military service
1:18:11 - "he doesn't wanna play against this 2hatch muta b... stuff."
keepin' it G rated and safe for TV, eh?
저 그냥 궁금하지만 장윤철 선수는 사실 동성애자예요? 무작위의 사람한테 이걸 들었어요. 제가 단지 궁금합니다. 알려 주세요. 또한, 그 문장이 맞았어요? 저에게 한국 문법이 정말 헷갈려요.
i dont know why there are rumors that he is gay. he has a girlfriend who is planning to get married. maybe you even think he pretend straight cause he isnt strong enough to stand up to homophobic people and structures but as far as i know, i strongly believe he is not gay
your korean skill is great. still if you want try to refine it a bit, it would be more natural if you say 궁금한 건데 instead of 궁금하지만, 사실 -> 정말, 무작위의 사람 -> 불특정 다수, 단지 -> 그냥
@@ghtjdrla 아 감사합니다! 한동안 한국어를 배웠지만 요즘 한국어 공부를 많이 하지 않아요. 그래서 작은 실수를 가끔 해요.
May I ask What is the "건데" in 궁금한 건데 ??? Does it come from 것? As In a curious thing? Or what's the grammar?
Yeah I heard that he's gay from some random people. Someone was leaving comments about how gay he is lol. I was like WTF?!?!? because I have never heard that and he doesn't seem gay, he seems completley normal and straight. Actually, you are most likely right, he is probably straight.
Thanks again for your help bro!! I really appriciate when people are willing to help 외국인. I have met some REALLY good, nice Korean people who have helped me. I have also met a bunch of ass holes lmao. That's how any country or large group of people will be though, there will always be some good people and some bad people. It's been really great meeting the good Korean people though so far. Such good people almost always. Koreans are really talented people.
@@alexfriedman2047 www.italki.com/question/345552?hl=ko
i think this could be the answer to your question about 건데
its regrettable that you had bad memories with some koreans but i hope dont mind rude ones much and leave only pleasant memories and hope there will be only good things in the future. and of course okay to ask more anything
According to time stamps, it was a one-way match.
Where are the timestamps :|
@@VitorHugo8D commercials are between games and a time length in general
1:20:14 nononononono
Gg
Zerg Op on starcraft 1 and 2 by far
I wish my GF looked at me like cameraman next to Snow looked at cameraman next to Soma after game one....
51:40 :))
Im so fucking confused and angry now... WHAT?!?! :O
Soma vs Queen in final, zerg OP
that map suuuuucks
This round of 8 has been disappointing so far. Two 3-0's and now we get those dreadful ZvZ matchups. That's a snoozefest.
3:0 =/
noob Swon, you cant win ultra late game with Zerg without Arbiters and Rivers, I learned it in 2003 but Snow is still learning, what a mop
I dunno about arbiters because scourge exist, but absolutely snow should have gotten reavers. If snow had a reaver in the back punishing when zerg tries to run forward, who knows
@@nimblesheepvenomous3811 he had 10 Corsairs with +1 attack
Soma best player on the planet right now? (as flash is random) Just so dominant
and then flash rolls terran 3 times and does backflips over him
I'm still not sold on Soma's ZvT. He often struggles to transition from Mutalisk to late-game tech. We'll see how he performs against Flash when he does get Terran. :)
@@GrandBenja soma s zvt is his worst for sure .but still very good .last seasons semis against light specifically the 4th game describes perfectly what you ve said where soma had a massive advantage and couldnt transition and eventually lost the semis instead of going to a fifth game.Also his record vs t against flash is bad but everybodys record against him is bad.I think if he keeps his cool he can win the semis(which is like 25 % chance lol )
They are already saying Soma in finals.... In before Flash 3 _0 s him
yeah Flashes R in showmatches was kinda fun and let's say not reliable. But seeing him play it now I kinda have a feeling he has decent chances of winning the whole thing.
I can guarantee that there will not be any 3-0 in semi-finals. :)
devastating! the logical counter is d-web and then recall
It is also a very expensive counter.
@@sir0herrbatka D-web costs roughly 2 corsairs, or 2 lurkers.
Not that expensive, especially if it allows you to gain terrain.
@@7thquark309 You gonna need also fleet beacon though. And that is extra 300/200. This adds up to 500/400 AND you still need spend some more on the corsairs AND tribunal AND arbiter AND recall AND extra stargate (you don't wanna produce corsair and arbiter from the same stargate) AND fighting units. Personally I think that dark archons are a more viable option. Heck, I actually think that in situations like that mind control is not all that bad.
@@sir0herrbatka I wonder how useful it would be to go reavers instead of arbiter tech and just siege lurkers
In situation like that, Maelstorm from 2-3 dark Archons simultaneously - good bye zerg.
3-0 lmao
Soma is a beast.
But Flash is taking it.
We haven't really seem flash's zerg yet properly, so depending on how the random dice rolls It might not go as we expect, also we haven't seen his pvz yet either. I feel like protoss and Terran have a lot of transferable skills, but zerg has such a different feel and macro style to Terran and toss, and we'll any race in rts for that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if his zerg is still lagging behind his other two races at the moment, suppose we'll find out soon.
Don't forget about queen
@@yeetbra9485 ive seen him play zerg mutiple times on stream and its unbelievable - but im 90 percent sure he will lose to soma. Unless he rolls terran 3 times, i feel he loses, which is pretty unlikely.
@@ethansaltmere I don't doubt it's amazing but playing on ladder vs tournament setting, well like I said we'll just have to wait and see.
That was the most one-sided roflcopterstomp I can remember.
Total mismatch.