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I think the main issue with the lawsuits were that they claimed Nintendo designed the Joycons purposefully in a way that they would break down in no time while the more realistic option is that they are just low quality to cut on production cost.
I think the other issue is lots of joy-con get fixed by software updates. I had one on day 1 it got daft after a year but now it the not daft after all the software updates. You look bad if in court and Joy-Con has no draft 😶 .
@@JMGauthier Which is why I agree with marumoru2773, I think the joycons and other controllers are just made more cheaply to cut down on production costs.
@fluffynator6222 You can't. It's a hardware issue because the bottom of the analog sticks are made of graphite and will occasionally break off and ruin the ability for the stick movements to be read properly. The fact that Nintendo got away with this is disgusting
@@fluffynator6222 there's multiple issues withthe joycons that only fixes a small part of what's the major problem the major problem is the the design of the joy cons themselves
@@flamingpaper7751 Yes and you can detect those irregularities and even them out. Coming from my professor in game engineering, at least. 🤷 Also: "disgusting" feels over dramatic. Like it's an obvious miscarriage of justice but that feels wording petulant.
I worked at Nintendo of America for their refurbishment department on Switchs for a bit, and yes it is well known that Joycons drift. When we got in the Switchs we had to check the joycons for drift and repair them if they were broken.
@@kirbybie I would suggest looking up tutorials online but we had a myriad of solutions. We would try to calibrate them on the switch, if that didn’t work we would try to run an update on the joycons. If that didn’t work usually you would have to take it apart and check the internals and replace the whole stick.
@TheJasonmanguy I heard or read somewhere that Nintendo will fix them for free? I have never had any issues, but I got an OLED. They are white and awesome. I dont want to replace them. Can I send them to Nintendo and they can fix them for free?
The first thing I did for my joycons was to replace the plastic rail clips with metal ones, and the second thing was to replace the sticks with hall effect replacements. My joycons are still the original pair that came with my switch, which is the original launch model switch, and with those modifications, they still work flawlessly. No drift, and they lock into the rails securely.
@@Mr.Peanut1986 RUclips seems to like to instantly delete comments that reference products or websites... but I'll try one more time. Gulikit makes hall effect joycon stick replacements, and you can search for joycon replacement latches to find sets similar to the ones I got. RUclips and ifixit have everything you need so far as instructions for joycon disassembly.
One of the best Christmas gifts of the past few years was when my brother-in-law gave me a pair of joycon that were pre-modded with brand new thumbsticks that should never drift.
@@unclesquidy285 I guess ALPS gave Nintendo (and the two other "big'uns") too good of a deal on their pointers to pass them up. Of course, most third-party controller assemblers moved on to magnetic pointers and are better for it, unlike the industry at large.
My joycons literally came with drift on Day 1. Literally the launch of the console, brought it home, booted up BotW. Stepped away when I got on top of the tutorial tower on the great plateau and I heard Link jump off and die from the other room. Got my pro controller that day too.
@trgabrielgf lol you're welcome. Honestly I made this joke years ago when I first saw and felt how bad the joycons were...and of course, all their...design problems 😅
I always thought that :D I like my Switch but I put off buying one for years because I thought the buttons were too small and cramped I'd get RSI. I own a Vita, a PSP and a DS Lite and this is the first time playing a handheld has given me wrist pains.
@@TheBlackSeraph I agree. As a kid the gameboy and DS were tolerable. But now using the joycons are quite annoying. I don't play handheld anymore so I usually just use the Pro controller anyways. But it's still quite depressing to see the state of the quality the joycons were made.
My twenty year old gamecube controller still works fine after two whole decades. Meanwhile, modern day joy-cons last only a few months before they suffer stick drift. Sadly, when Iwata died, so did Nintendo's care for quality controllers.
Honestly, the one thing Nintendo has actually done wrong at this point is not properly advertising that they’ll repair any joycon you send in for free, regardless of if the damage is stick-related. I sent in a box of joycons with everything from dead buttons to chipped casings, and all it cost me was the ink to print the label, and every single one was either repaired or replaced. It’s almost certainly a money thing, mind you. But PSA, they will absolutely repair/replace your drifting joycons if you send them in, free of charge.
Honestly, the fact that they repair them for free means that it cannot be intentional for Joy-Con Drift to be there. That alone meant that these lawsuits were doomed from the start, since it meant people that bought replacements were either too lazy or didn’t know about the free repairs.
I wish some more people talked about the other issue with joy-cons: when old, they tend to slide off the switch just a tad, without having pressed the back button to slide them off. I swear I have never not pressed that button to slide them off, and yet without fail my joycons slightly slide off when played in handheld. It's like they can't handle the weight of the switch anymore. ALSO sometimes, they disconnect randomly from my switch as well, acting as if they lost all charges. This happens to me while playing splatoon. If I slide them on and off again, the problem stops. Seriously even without drift there are issues! I hope the switch 2's supposed magnetic-linked joy-cons will solve these issues
Mine have the exact opposite problem! I put on the side things with the wrist straps on them sometimes when I play the switch on the tv and when I go to unattach them they just REFUSE to slide off! They come off eventually but it’s still annoying! Also, wouldn’t they fall off easier if they used magnets to attach them?
Oh and with my other joycon, the led lights that show which player you are (the square ones on the side) do not work at all for some reason! The controller itself is fine but it’s just the led lights that don’t work
I also have this problem! My joycons are so scratched up now cause they keep sliding off of my switch when I carry it around, it actually ended up breaking the left shoulder button. Now theres issues with getting them connected too aparently theres something wrong with the attachment rail I have to like press it in harder to get it to connect.
Yeah the "locking" mechanism for both of my Joy-Cons do NOT work at all. They still sort of stay on, like they're not completely lose, but it's enough to cause discomfort. I think Arlo mentioned that his OLED's were doing the same thing here.
Animal Crossing killed my ProControllers, too. I fixed my Controllers once and forever by inserting HallSensor Sticks. They now never break again, but also allow so much smother control.
I got a switch pro controller 2 years ago and it developed severe drift in both sticks just over a year after I bought it (with a 1 year warranty). I asked them about the free repair/replacement program, and they said "There is no design issue with the Joy-Con controllers, and no widespread proactive repair or replacement effort is underway" which I screenshotted because it reminded me of "There is no war in Ba Sing Se." It's genuinely shocking to me that Nintendo not only didn't communicate clearly that they were doing so, but actually denied it when asked.
Weird, because when I sent my original Joy-cons in just recently, they said that they would fix the issue for free if I sent them in. I bought the system when it came out, so mine were way out of warranty.
I always found the talk about pro controllers drifting interesting, because I got my Switch and pro controller within the same month as each other (so probably manufactured in the same window) and I’ve had to replace both my joy con sticks, but my pro controller functions completely fine even after using it as my go-to controller for Switch and primary PC controller for years. I’m not trying to deny anything, I’m just saying it’s interesting to me how inconsistent it seems, as opposed to joy con drift being more like an inevitability by this point.
@Lucarioguild7 To such a negligible percentage of the items overall cost that it does not matter. The only reason not to have them at this point, is to prey on your consumers.
If you know Nintendo's console development history you know they are looking to save that dime fraction wherever they can find opportunity to do so. We all love Game Boys and have fondly memories but the reality is that they were hot garbage even for their time with that incredibly shitty screens. We bougth millions of them regardless. Like one mentioned above, people can't boycott. 🤷🏾♂️
Planned Obsolescence is a really scummy practice, not only does it hurt consumers it is also bad for the environment. Most radioactive waste comes from discarded electronics, and I think that should incentivize companies to make them more sustainable. I love my switch, and I love a lot of Nintendo's output, but they gotta be transparent. Every Tech Company has to be transparent with this stuff.
I doubt they planned it to happen, but it sure was fucking convenient. Just ended up in more joycon sales, purposeful or not... of course they wouldn't fix them if they don't legally have to. Fucking ridiculous
Electrician here: We DO know what was wrong with the joycons. Its the way they are made. On the inside the analog detector is a metal “tongue” that scrapes across a carbon pad. This scraping causes carbon dust to build up and get shuffled around in there and cause “false” signals to the sensors which is what the drift is. Its literally a symptom of the thumbstick in the joycons going bad and nintendo refusing to admit they screwed up. Nintendo could have fixed the whole thing quick and easy, by putting “hall effect” sensors in the thumbsticks instead of cheap metal tongue and pad sensors. The hall effect sensors use magnetic proximity and orientation detection to determine what is going on with the thumbstick. And its wayyy more accurate than (so far) every other analog thumbstick design on the market. Thankfully as an end user you have the power to fix it yourself by doing the replacement of the thumbstick yourself. Or find some guy like me online that you can mail your stuff off to, and someone like me will do it for you but we charge money in exchange for services such as this. So be prepared to spend some cash. But please always support your local computer/gaming hardware repair geeks. (Geek squad does not count, they suck)
Reminder that the DREAMCAST had hall effect sticks. Sega, of all companies, already eliminated this problem entirely by using what was (at the time) new technology... that has since been abandoned in favour of planned obsolescence.
Reminder that Saturn had these first. So since the mid 90s we’ve had the technology. Costs nothing. The real reason is potentially consumers will just get new ones when drift gets bad. Nintendo is cheap with hardware so I’m not surprised.
My mom gave me the TOTK OLED and game last year while in the final stages of brain and lung cancer. It was my final bday gift from her and it means so much to me now. I’ve had days of utter dread fearing that drift was beginning. I know it’s just a device but it’s my last and final connection and example of my mom’s endless desire to bring me joy and spend a crazy amount of money to give me the best of whatever I’m into. I’m about to be 40 so it’s not like I couldn’t buy my own but it’s special to me. I truly wish Nintendo didn’t drop the ball here. As much as I love the switch, the games, my OLED and the company itself, this is one thing I dread. I have 4 pair of useless joy cons I may eventually send in one day but it shouldn’t be an issue at all. These are EXPENSIVE controllers and I’m not good at making time and effort to send something like this off to get them fixed. I’ll just buy new ones and they know most of us will. It’s the best example of the company that serves us so well with entertainment not serving us in the slightest when the bottom dollar is at risk. Any legit joy con should be swapped no questions asked at any retailer at Nintendo’s dime. Then they do the fixes and resale refurbished cons. I’d buy fixed ones from them and I’d trade mine without complaining but sending them off for a few months and learning how to even do it is a joke.
Sorry for your loss, cancer absolutely sucks. 💔 As for the topic of the joycons themselves, the fact that it can take a week or more for them to get shipped off, fixed, and shipped back for free when you can just go to the store and buy new ones instantly is just… oof. Hell, I opted for that myself. If it didn’t take so long for the free option, drift wouldn’t suck as bad as it does. I mean, it’d still suck, just a little less.
For what it's worth, it's very easy to switch out the sticks for hall effect ones, ifixit has a whole kit that includes the stick and all the tools you'll need for about $20, although fair enough if you don't want to take them apart for sentimental reasons
@@gang-ridertv5433I mean the fact that ps5 controllers have drift as well shows it could very well be a common manufacturing issue rather than intentionally making faulty joycons
@@gang-ridertv5433 in a moral sense, i absolutely and totally agree. but courtrooms dont work that way, if you dont have proof, you dont have a case, and intent in these kind of cases is really really hard, especially with the kind of money nintendo likely pumped into lawyers.
@@Domarius64 And more importantly, plenty of evidence they knew it was a problem and continued to do nothing about it. You could probably build a pretty solid lawsuit around that.
It is important to note that these lawsuits were specifically about Nintendo doing this maliciously. The lawsuits were about if faulty controllers were built like this purposefully with the intention to sell more units down the line. The fact that Nintendo won these does not mean that Nintendo can't be held accountable for creating bad products. But That's a really hard thing to pin them down on, especially because Nintendo is far from the only AAA studio with this kind of issue in the current generation. It's just Nintendo's great success with the Switch that draws special attention to the Joycons, simply because more people own a Switch than a PS5.
My first set started drifting really hard about six months in. I got it to a "workable" state by opening the calibration menu and basically "grinding" the joystick until it would stay centered, but eventually even that stopped working.
It's not just their joy-cons, because even the pro controllers drift. I wanted one for a long time, and decided to finally bite the bullet and get the special TotK edition controller last year. It felt comfortable in my hands, and controlled beautifully at first, but it started drifting after just a few months of use. It was incredibly disappointing...
There have been reports of ps5 and Xbox controllers drifting as well so it isn’t just a Nintendo issue but the joycons seem to be the most likely to drift
We do what caused the problem - pieces of metal rubbed out. Plenty of people took them apart and looked at them. Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made some tweaks to make them more reliable last a bit longer. Hopefully the Switch 2 uses Hall Effect.
Hardly. Most game companies know that Hall Effects are too long lasting to be worth putting in their gaming peripherals. That's why they still stick with potentiometers. It makes them more money in the long run. Best you can do is take apart your joycons and pro controllers and install Hall Effect sticks. Cheaper to do than buying new OEM peripherals, and easier than you'd expect.
I do think they improved it, or maybe I’ve just been really lucky. All 4 of my original JoyCon had drift (one took longer to get it than the rest), and the 3 I sent in for repairs in 2019, all are still good. The last one I sent in just last week, funny enough
@@ducksfolif977 You really gotta try HARD to "get weird vibes" from something so innocent. You know what, screw it. You're racist now, because I said so.
The funny thing is that we know the issue, it's that joycons have graphite used on the joy stick components, reducing costs but also are much less durable. Therefore from general usage it wears away over time, because the drift causes the graphite to get in the electronics and mess up the controller. Also Nintendo isn't saying that the joyckn issue isn't a problem, but there is nothing that can really be done, since it was a design flaw, especially when you crack one open and see just how many things are packed in such a small package. Then for the law suits, if they lost, what were they supposed to do? Pay the millions of people a few thousand to compensate and hurt the company?
Same. Mine haven't drifted but only because they're so awful that I never use them. They're too dang small for my big fat man paws to comfortably use. Those weird AA battery attachments gave them more bulk to hold onto but I still would have liked longer joycon with the buttons spaced farther apart. Like the Wiimote.
@@justinhansen4941 I never had any issues with my N64 controllers but I did have an issue with a third-party one and ever since I’ve chosen not to buy any third-party controllers of any systems that I’ve owned over the years.
Ps5 has the same exact issues. To the point that even their $200 controller has replaceable sticks because they're built to break. Though no one really complains about the ps5 controllers
I just bought a PS5 a few days ago and I was really hoping drift wouldn’t be an issue. I’m not surprised at all that it is an issue with the dual sense controller, but MAN, this sucks. I have two sets of joy cons and both of the left ones have drift, I also have a series x controller with drift as well as a 360 controller that I haven’t used in years
@@TheBlackSeraph The decorated case comes off and can be reinstalled on a new joycon if you have to replace it but want to keep it's decoration, it's not hard to do, but if your concern is drift, read my other comment, applies to you also
Nintendo wouldn’t purposefully make their joy cons bad. Motion control is pretty much their baby. If anything, they would hate that joy cons drift, because it would put a sour taste in peoples mouths for motion control.
Princess Peach Showtime had no D-Pad support. The D-Pad has no mapped action in the game, despite it functionally being no more '3D' than a Streets of Rage. Why does Nintendo have this expectation that A) we have a functioning control stick and B) we prefer that over the precision of a D-Pad for non-3D games?
That's ridiculous! Even Contra: Operation Galuga had D-Pad controls, and that came out 10 DAYS BEFORE SHOWTIME DID! How are third parties doing 10x better than first parties? I'm pretty sure like 80% of my Switch library is consisted of third party titles, compared to the maybe 20% of first party ones, and I think I'm starting to see why... maybe it was a good idea to hold off on the Paper Mario remake. I'm worried they might've screwed the controls up on that too.
Tbh, even if it did have dpad support I probably wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have dpad support, but the joycon direction buttons aren’t great and the dpad genuinely sucks on the pro controller.
reminds me of how the D-pad wasnt used at all for Ocarina of Time (due to the terrible design of the N64 controller) and how the randomizer communities for OoT and Majoras Mask added button inputs for the D-pad allowing a quick use function for: the Ocarina, boots swapping, and the main tranforming masks.
Well the control stick is still going to drift your character any direction it wants whether you use it or not. And I can’t believe you actually use the tiny shitty little gumdrops Nintendo calls a “dpad”
My brand new switch lite CAME with drift on the left stick. I had to replace it the day I got it. The replacement developed a deadzone on the backwards/down direction on the left side stick after about 8 months and I've just been dealing with it since. Replaced the stick myself since by then it was out of warranty, and it only restored partial sensitivity, but it's better than nothing. I've been waiting to see what the next console is to decide what I'm replacing it with. My roommates also both have standard switches and had to buy multiple pairs of joycons within the first two years after drift developed on 3 of the sets (usually the left side, no idea what it is about the left side.) The most strenuous games they play are like.. pokemon/animal crossing, so it's not like these are even getting very heavily used. There is no reason the same issue should have been present in this number of products, given our small sample size. While I don't think it was purposefully busted on Nintendo's part, it's an issue they simply decided not to fix for a while, which was a big problem for families who did not have the money to constantly replace the hardware (and didn't know about/have access to the repair programs.). I will say that it seems like our newer joycons haven't developed the issues the older ones did, so our experience aligns with yours in that regard. Hopefully it's mostly resolved by now, even if they were weirdly quiet about it. I'd be happier if they had made better efforts towards transparency and compensation. Here's hoping we'll see more durable structure on whatever is coming next.
if they're mainly playing games like pokemon and animal crossing l'd say it makes perfect sense that it's mainly their left joycon that starts drifting,, you constantly use the left joystick to walk around and go through menus, whereas you only occasionally use the right joystick to move the camera (and only if you feel the need to do so). Of course the joystick that is used constantly wears down faster than the one you only use every now and then
It's pretty laughable that anyone would defend this and that the courts let Nintendo get away with such a blatant design flaw. I bought my Switch when the console launched along with a pro controller, which I have put hundreds of hours of play into on both the Switch and on PC without issues. The only times the joycons were in use were during some trips or when a friend came over and we played Smash Bros Ultimate together. Even so the joycons started drifting in spite of bare minimum use of what is expected of a packaged in controller. Just absolutely ludicrous that they got away with this.
@@toumabyakuya If sitting in the dock pretty much all day or being inside a specifically made case to protect the Switch since it was bought count as "bad storage". Sure, whatever you say.
It's also laughable that the United States courts allow companies to stall out the legal process till either: 1. The other party can no longer afford to keep the process going. 2. Till the console's generation is at the end of its lifespan causing you to have to repeat the entire process AGAIN for the next console.
It perfectly reasonable and absolutely deserved that they "got away with it". The courts confirmed it wasn't intentional, Nintendo offered free repairs, and the issue was fixed. What more could you want?
I was QUITE careful with my Switch, and I still had drift on my gray joycons! Sent them to get fixed, and it happened again, in addition to disconnecting from the rails for no reason.
It does seem to be a lot less prevalent with the pro-controller. I've had two pairs of joycons and one pro controller, ALL 4 JOYCONS got some amount of drift. pro controller didn't
I have a day one PS2 controller that has been with me through 7 moves, a spilled cup of tea and the flooding a basement and it only has very inor drift in the left stick that goes away when i flick the stick in the opposite direction of the drift and doesn't come up again for months. My PS4 controller I've had for 6 years works as good as the day I bought it. I've been through 4 sets of joycons because of drift and I'm just like Arlo, I take immaculate care of my things. I am so careful with all of my things. It's so frustrating
A lot of the later Joy-cons have the fixes that make them, at the very least, drift resistant. Like Arlo said there are very few (reported) issues with Oled Joy-con. So yeah, it doesn't really come across as planned obsolescence
Making something with the cheapest materials possible is planned obsolescence. Even if you don't think it's intentional (I think it is but I wouldn't say for sure, Nintendo is a strange company after all), it' still reducing its lifetime (and quality) for the sole purpose of obtaining more benefits.
@@ayoshi4725 There's companies like Neca, When you look at them up their own description for their company is they make perishable goods when they're supposed to be making these high quality figures that's a bit of a red flag right there considering a majority of their figures they produce end up breaking.
It's funny you say that people try to say that Joycon drift isn't real because I've seen people say the Xbox red-ring wasn't that bad. 56% failure rate, they would cover you even out of warranty early on apparently. But people would say "no you just treated your 360 wrong". I got my replacement 360 from Best Buy via their warranty and I came home with a brand new system and was back later that day. System was in a nice open area, not in any kind of enclosure. All the vents open and good but NOPE, red ring. Everyone I know who has a Switch has had the joycon drift problem at least once. Thankfully I only had it once but I don't trust it to not happen again. I don't even game on my switch that often so IDK how it even happened to me. But I got controllers dating back to the PS1 days and they still work with zero issues. I treat my stuff like gold. The thing that's annoying about this lawsuit is all controllers apparently would be calibrated by the console to try to adjust for joystick issues. That's why the PS2 rarely had the issue but the PS5 apparently gets drift pretty easily. So - this is entirely intentional or just negligence. I know with Nintendo it's different since the sticks operate slightly different but, c'mon. Anyone who says the joycon drift thing isn't real, is insane. Nintendo doesn't fix things for free, ever. But they do it for this specific thing and there's no issue? Ok. Considering how expensive a pair of joycons is, this is entirely unacceptable. I've got controllers from 8bitdo, a 3rd party company and I've never seen stick drift and I've had them longer than that first pair of joycons. Now I got one with halleffect stick so it should likely NEVER happen according to things I've read online.
The only people I know of who have not had stick drift issues with the swtich or pretty much any console are ones who either rarely use them or recently bought them. I think its the price of the controllers in the last decade or so that has made it so much more obvious, as back in the day it would be that they would screw up and you would just assume you broke it or wear and tear and go buy another one or your parents would buy you a crappy third party one, and with most handhelds being digital, it was rarely an issue. But with more being internet savvy and the likes of the switch lite especially where new joycons are not an option for even the most tech illiterate of people, it was only a matter of time before even normies would notice stick drift being a thing. You would think the big 3 would go hall effect and be done with it, but I guess its more profitable to eat warranty repairs and sell more controllers.
“The switch felt rushed to market…” THANK YOU!!! I’ve literally been saying this since joy con drift began. Nintendo has usually made hardware that is high quality, but because they were forced to get the switch out in as little time as possible due to the Wii U’s failure, it’s very obvious that big problems weren’t discovered soon enough and that normal durability tests just weren’t done as often
Since I play handheld-mode almost exclusively, I've gotten very familiar with the Joycons, and I have to say - while they have been decent enough, the drift is absolutely a real thing, and it's a very real potential hindrance. I remember right around the time the pandemic started, my original gray Joycons began having issues with both sticks drifting upwards. It affected every game differently, but it was most noticeable in New Horizons, where my character would start slooooooowly inching to the north sometimes if I set the Switch down on my desk. It got worse and worse as the months wore on, to the point that even hunting for bugs became an issue (especially tarantulas/scorpions, since you need to time your movement to get close to those!). I ended up buying a set of red/blue Joycons next, and while those worked pretty well, last year the left stick began having leftward drift. Once again, it was small and affected every game differently, but it was very real - I'd pull up the map in Pokemon Violet and the cursor would actively be sneaking away, with the accompanying sound effect and everything. I ended up having to recalibrate the sticks, and while that did seem to "fix" the issue, I'm absolutely expecting it to rear its ugly head again sometime in the future... not to mention the fact that my X button is now having problems of its own. While it's disappointing that the lawsuits didn't pan out, I have a gut feeling that Nintendo basically dragged their feet the whole time specifically to wear out the patience of the people suing them. Much as I love the Switch and its library of games, its sheer success has enabled a lot of the worst corporate habits like this.
The reason for the drifting is already confirmed on what causes it. If you open the joycon and place a small paper piece on top of the stick sensor the drifting gets fixed, in fact if you press in hard next to the home button with your finger, the stick will become more resonsive
winning a lawsuit with nintendo isn't possible. the one guy who one(Shouzou Kaga) formerly worked at Intelligent Systems and they sued him, and in the end even he lost after nintendo appealed several times(the judge basically gave them a stfu ruling, but still)
dude one day you should get a small puppet and introduce it as your nephew even have your irl nephew do the voice. not as like an ongoing thing but as a lil bit of lore on this mysterious nephew thats always playing your switch. it could be alot of fun
I think it’d also be fine if the little puppet was mute but stood in for the real nephew’s opinions as a young Nintendo fan. For protection’s sake, his voice may also want to be obscured
I have like 12 pair (yes, pair) of joy-cons and i usually use them in small event letting many many people try out my Switches (like 200 people per event for 10-20 hours for a weekend). So they are very well used. I did have joy-con drift on 2 pair (after 2 years!) and i used the small cardboard fix and they have been good ever since! Most of the issue cause either dirt stucking under the analogue sticks or more commonly the whole joy-con just getting bit more loose. The local Nintendo repair shop fixes them for free, but i haven't yet needed to bring my joy-cons in. I am pretty sure this was not intentional, but they did not tested the durability for the correct way to realize that these controllers can get loose or dirty like this which causes the drift. I really do hope they will be more aware and test their controllers more carefully in the future though.
I'm mad that they were able to get away with accidentally selling a faulty product... The SECOND they realized this was happening (which they did, as they seemed to have fixed the issue in newer joy-cons) they should have done recalls. But I guess that would be TOO EXPENSIVE (like a flipping Minecraft anvil). My biggest issue of all is just how despite this massive issue with the controllers, Joy-cons are still more expensive than the actual games themselves. These little plastic controllers with drifting problems costs more than the games that took years of development time, coding, and artistry to make.
I guarantee the price is simply because of two reasons: 1) Nintendo, at least where I live, does not sell JoyCons separately - only in a pair. 2) They know damn well you require them, so the price is jacked up - They may not have intentionally caused the drift issues, but they are not against taking advantage and forcing you to pay out the nose if you get drift. It makes them money.
I'll say for myself I've never experience joycon drift but I've gone through 5+ PS4 controllers that have all began drifting. So my theory is it isn't anything special about Nintendo, it's just the industry as a whole is using more shoddy materials to save money.
Nintendo can easily do malicious compliance. "You want proof? Okay, here's the minutes of every Switch related meeting going back to 2015. Here's all the emails with the word "switch" in them". Just bury the other side in paperwork.
That's just it. In the end, nothing Nintendo did was technically illegal. They did release a faulty product and willfully ignored the issue, but at worst all that can do is hurt their brand image. And just like we see with the end of the video, in most cases their customer loyalty is too strong for even that to matter.
About two years(?maybe?) ago I upgraded from a Switch Lite to an OLED. I was worried I'd experience drift like how my siblings did with their base model Switch. Thankfully though, to this day, I have not experienced drift! I can't help but feel though, at the back of my head that drift will sneak up on me overnight and begin to rear its ugly head. Fingers crossed it doesn't!
I knew about the drift going in, which is why when I went to Wal-Mart to buy BotW I told the girl running the electronics section that I wanted an alternate controller for my Switch. She knew EXACTLY what I was talking about and directed me to a retro controller set. The only time I have ever used the joycons is when I had to for the gyro puzzles in BotW and had a tiny bit of drift that was easily solved, but going in knowing this was a thing is why I decided to never use them.
Maybe the only way for us to really know whether the drift was/is intentional or not at this point is to see whether this kind of thing happens again with the Switch 2 controllers?
@@samantha953 from what I understood of the case, it was called for dismissal because it was dragging on for too long and because those hoping to see any money out of it (as it is a class action suit, they don't see money until it is won) are getting fed up with how long it is taking. So they are calling for a dismissal because they want to make money now, not later, basically. At least that is my understanding of the matter anyway. So no, Nintendo didn't really win, more like the other side got fed up with waiting.
Tbf I think it being dismissed is less because the involved parties gave up, but more that it's very hard to prove that Nintendo was intentionally making defective products, like that was the conceit of the lawsuits and it's probably more likely that they just *didn't care* enough to fix it, which while that's also bad, it's considered "less bad" legally, and well you can't exactly go "oh well we couldn't prove that they were doing this REALLY shitty thing, but they're still doing this kinda-sorta shitty thing, so our case is still valid?" Since when you sue someone you have to be pretty specific about what you're suing over.
If Iwata was still around, he would absolutely take responsibility and address the issue of drift right when it first came to light. Based on how Nintendo's handled it so far, I can't say the same for Furukawa. I've got an OLED Switch, and only just recently has the white pair of Joycons started drifting, so the issue hasn't completely gone, but whatever Nintendo did seems to be just more of a band-aid solution. The only proper way we can be rid of drift is with Hall Magnet sensors in the sticks instead of whatever Nintendo's using currently.
Good god Iwata was a nice man and all but he’s not the reincarnation of christ. He saw the development of the switch and knew the cheapness of the joy cons. He would’ve probably just done what Nintendo did already, offer free repairs and end it at that.
I have a xbox 360 arcade edition controller which has zero drift. Whether or not Nintendo knew these controllers had a flaw or not they refused to fix the issue in newer interations.
I don't know I honestly always thought that the switch just sucks as a handheld. Joy cons can get drift, they can become loose, not to mention I find them quite uncomfortable. And the whole thing is just cumbersome to carry... Remember the times when people could carry their portable consoles in their pockets? Or in those tiny purses. Now you need a proper backpack for everything. I just never stopped playing my 3ds lol, only using my switch as a home console permanently hooked to the tv.
Even if Nintendo won the lawsuits regarding these controllers, I imagine they still took the feedback to heart when it came to designing the controllers for the Switch's successor. Even if they refuse to acknowledge the issue, I'd like to hope they've quietly solved it for whatever comes next
You see, the „problem“ with fixing drift on next gen joycons is that then, in another lawsuit, you can use these new joycons as proof of acknowledgement of the problem. Therefore Nintendont could be enforced to repair every drifting joycon for free. But if the next gen is as bad as the current… well, guess who sold some pro controllers again?
My mom got me bootleg joycons without realizing that they were bootleg. And the funny thing is, almost all of my official joycons drift, but the bootlegs I have don't.
Is it an algorithm thing to interrupt youtube videos with the sponsor segment? I'm so used to Arlo doing that part right at the beginning that I was surprised to see it happen in this one. At least he didn't do the "But do you know what's also related to the video?" with a cheeky smirk.
Yeah, when people see an ad at the beginning/end they tend to just skip it or click off the video, so putting it in the middle makes it less likely for them to skip it if they're just watching in the background or something
@@osu-osu-osu It don't really mind it. I just liked how Arlo makes it very clear when it's happening, and usually does it right at the start. So it was surprising to see him suddenly interrupt the video for it.
European union resident here. Got both my joycon repaired two times each (one at a time, never together) during the 2 years of warranty. After the last free repair, they never drifted again so they probably have found the fix as you said about your OLED. Hate that they've not acknowledged it though.
I had several pairs drift. A while back I replaced them all with hall effect sticks, which should in theory never degrade the way the stock joysticks do, and sure enough I've not had any more drifting issues since then. Sucks that that's what it takes to get reliable controllers but it's not that expensive and it futureproofs them so I do recommend it
@@lssjgaming1599 That's not how EULA works. If the Joycon's really had a problem as bad as you are saying then the EULA would have been void. That it wasn't shows that, at least in the eyes of the courts, it wasn't such a big deal.
The thing is . Analogue sticks are made from Plastics that over time crumble (from the effects of the environment, and your human oils) . Pads worked around this, by adding DeadZone that auto calibrates itself (Even N64 pad had this !!!)... that Switch controllers F MISS ... you got 1milimeter bent plastic analogue , though luck... YOU GET DRIFT.... Third party controllers FIXED THE F PROBLEM BY ADDING HALL SENSORS and EVEN METAL RODS THEN PLASTIC ONES in analogues... like 8BitDo pads do (or other brands do) ... the thing is , Nintendo build those pads to fit in a set cost , and it shows ...
@@JoseViktor4099 yeah , that's why they where hammering the Emulation of Yuzu ... when you not only could run all those Switch games on Tablets\Steam Deck\PC in 2k60 fps , but play on Controllers that are BUILD TO LAST ... then have a planned obsolescence, since they miss auto DeadZone correction ... Xbox360 pads also missed it
I never bought a Switch, so I don't know how bad it may or may not be, but back in the day with the sticks on the N64 controls... They'd wear out SO easily.
Preface: I’m not defending Joycon Drift, I just think this whole comment section has gotten a little echo chambery. We know the cause of Joycon Drift. Analogue sticks use graphite pads, these graphite pads get worn down meaning there are small pieces of graphite under the controller that have been scratched off, meaning that the controller sometimes reads inputs when there aren’t any. This is why getting the joycons properly cleaned temporarily fixes the issue, the graphite is no longer there to make it falsely detect the joystick, however this isn’t permanent because as you continue to use it more graphite gets scratched off. The same thing applies to adding cardboard to increase the pressure on the graphite pad. This also temporarily fixes it because it can sense the analogue stick better, however due to the pressure more scrapes off over time so the same thing ends up happening. This isn’t a Nintendo exclusive issue, as this can happen to literally every single analog stick to exist, with there being cases of it on the Xbox 360 and PS4 among others. From my understanding, the reason it’s way way way more common on switch is because the pressure on the graphite pad is going to be higher than other consoles due to Joycons having small, compact designs. Therefore the main way to fix it would be to redesign the joycons to make them a little bulkier. The only issue is it would make handheld mode more uncomfortable to do, and it would require redoing everything that requires the specific Joycon shape, such as labo, the controller slot thing, the Mario Kart wheels, etc etc, hence their reluctance to follow through. Bear in mind, I’m not a hardware designer, and I’m not a Nintendo employee. If I’m wrong on any points please correct me.
Not really corrections but additional context: * Not all analog inputs use graphite, but all analog inputs ARE suspect to developing drift/ghost signals, due to how the technology works. * ANY analog control is capable of developing drift issues, because it is impossible to guarantee no noise or bad calibration b/w the hardware & the produced signal, & analog is by definition reading fine granulations in the signal. * Technically, even DIGITAL controls (ala 16/8-bit NES/SNES/Genesis controllers) can develop drift... but the way digital works it has such ridiculously robust built-in fault tolerance that it is very, very unlikely to be a problem. * Part of the reason Switch Joycon's are more subject to failure is the choice of using graphite, in addition to the smaller form factor which is generally less robust. * A bunch of comments are mentioning hall effect ... which I am not 100% familiar with, but apparently you can use it to make joysticks that are less likely to developing drift. I can tell you 100% however that hall effect joysticks are not IMMUNE to developing drift, because they are STILL ANALOG. * Making the joycons bigger - I think a lot of people would actually LIKE that from an ergonomics standpoint... Nintendo probably would be against it because they would need to scale up the console size & compromise on the portability aspect however. Also not a hardware designer, nor an Nintendo employee. The call out for the anti-Nintendo crowd is you can't expect Nintendo to make a joycon immune to drift... that is impossible. Nobody can do that. You can only expect them to improve the design so 'joycon-2' is less likely to fail The call out for the pro-Nintendo crowd is to stop minimizing Nintendo's bad design decisions that make joycons more likely to develop drift issues early & often. They didn't have to use literal pencil lead in their joysticks.
@@kgoblin5084 Nintendo did make a drift-immune stick. The N64 stick. But the stick itself wasn't really that durable and was prone to breaking down. It's drift immune but not immune to wear and tear. I feel if they could replicate the drift immunity of the n64 stick with a much more comfortable and durable stick we would never have this issue ever again.
Started having stick issues in 2018. I had initially sent one in and got it resolved for a while, but it soon came back. It never got too ridiculous up until last year, so I just kinda lived with it (occasionally recalibrating and stuff in an attempt to mitigate it and avoiding any games that require you to press them). Eventually I couldnt take it anymore and got the stock sticks replaced with some "hall effect" sticks that supposedly dont drift... And from what time I've spent with them, they've held up quite well!
At least Nintendo’s biggest scandal at the moment has to do with their hardware and not implementing AI instead of writers or treating their employees like trash.
On the topic of no other controllers having drift... The only controller I've had drift problems with was a Wii U pro controller... but it wasn't even a official product, it's one of those "Afterglow" brand controllers (It still works properly, I just need to take the batteries out every so often to reset the controller lol).
happened to me, i can't afford new joy cons, but i did the small piece of thick paper under the joycon trick and it works wonderfully for nearly a year now.
I think the issue is when playing handheld they flex a little. I bought a comfort grip that clips onto the system and joy cons and it doesn’t flex anymore. This seems to have prevented mine from developing that locking issue.
oh hey, someone else with that problem! the paint gets chipped off and the right joycon is no longer recognized by the system... even though it can charge fine enough. I hope I can get it repaired for free along with drift in my area
Something I think you're misinterpreting, even though you said it before, is I don't think Nintendo was "hiding" from it, or even ignoring it outright, i think they were just being lazy. I think they knew it was a problem, and they did "damage control", but there wasn't direct solutions
Joy-Con drift definitely is a thing, and I’ve experienced it with several of my Joy-Cons as well as (I think) with my Pro controller. It’s never been more than an annoyance for me though because Nintendo has always fixed them for me, for free. I’ve never even had to pay for shipping. If people don’t realize they can contact Customer Support and request a repair, honestly, that’s on them. Nintendo’s phone number has been the same for the past 30 years; I’ve had it memorized since I was a kid. Also it’s worth noting that Nintendo isn’t the only one with this problem. My PS5 and Xbox controllers have also experienced drift. Sony repaired the controller with no problem (though I did have to pay for shipping), but Microsoft basically told me I was SOL because I was out of warranty and I had to take it to a private game repair store to get it fixed. Either way, it wasn’t the end of the world.
I thankfully have not experienced drift in my joycons or my pro controller yet, and I've had my Switch for years. I can't say exactly how much playtime I have clocked in though. Once I was aware of the issue a few years ago, I bought BoTW with a bundled pro controller and use that more often than the joycons. I don't know if it's because I'm a woman so my overall grip strength and hand size are a contributing factor in the hardware not degrading, but I'm just thankful I haven't needed to replace my controllers yet. Hell, even my old PS2 controllers work fine, though the one with the most use has a stuck X button. I have experienced drift on those before, but they just needed to be cleaned and then they were fine again.
Haven't had issues with my oled joycons, i use em a lot with the slides they were packed with since they make them just right fit to hold Seems it was issues with the launch batch & even some of the model after too
Both my launch pair and the splatoon 2 colored joy cons developed drift for me. I didn’t try a pro because I like switching between tv and handheld. If the OLED don’t develop drift then that’s hopefully promising for the successor console.
@@samantha953 had my oled joycons for a year & half now with about 500 hours total played with them minus about 100 or so from smash ultimate with my gamecube controller
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I think the main issue with the lawsuits were that they claimed Nintendo designed the Joycons purposefully in a way that they would break down in no time while the more realistic option is that they are just low quality to cut on production cost.
I think the other issue is lots of joy-con get fixed by software updates. I had one on day 1 it got daft after a year but now it the not daft after all the software updates. You look bad if in court and Joy-Con has no draft 😶 .
@@gearoidoconnell5729 You cant fix hardware issues with software updates.
@@gearoidoconnell5729 This is incorrect. Most joy-con drift is a *hardware* issue and cannot be fixed with *software* updates.
@@gearoidoconnell5729software updates don't fix physical problems.
@@JMGauthier Which is why I agree with marumoru2773, I think the joycons and other controllers are just made more cheaply to cut down on production costs.
I’m honestly going to be pretty upset if the Switch’s successor has drift issues.
Apparently you can fix it with software corrections?
@fluffynator6222 You can't. It's a hardware issue because the bottom of the analog sticks are made of graphite and will occasionally break off and ruin the ability for the stick movements to be read properly. The fact that Nintendo got away with this is disgusting
@@fluffynator6222 there's multiple issues withthe joycons that only fixes a small part of what's the major problem the major problem is the the design of the joy cons themselves
@@toumabyakuya it was wild. people were acting like stick drift was this brand new thing lol.
@@flamingpaper7751
Yes and you can detect those irregularities and even them out. Coming from my professor in game engineering, at least. 🤷
Also: "disgusting" feels over dramatic. Like it's an obvious miscarriage of justice but that feels wording petulant.
Can Nintendo at least give us an official Nintendo-brand coffin to store our dead Joy-Cons in?
Use your left over Nintendo Labo Cupboard to craft them.
😂🤣😂🤣
Insert coffin dance here
Sure, that'll be $79.99 before tax.
And for only 89.99$
I worked at Nintendo of America for their refurbishment department on Switchs for a bit, and yes it is well known that Joycons drift. When we got in the Switchs we had to check the joycons for drift and repair them if they were broken.
how did you repair them ? so i can fix my own
@@kirbybie I would suggest looking up tutorials online but we had a myriad of solutions. We would try to calibrate them on the switch, if that didn’t work we would try to run an update on the joycons. If that didn’t work usually you would have to take it apart and check the internals and replace the whole stick.
@TheJasonmanguy I heard or read somewhere that Nintendo will fix them for free? I have never had any issues, but I got an OLED. They are white and awesome. I dont want to replace them. Can I send them to Nintendo and they can fix them for free?
@@Mr.Peanut1986 I’m not sure if they do it for free anymore but you can send them in for repair.
@@TheJasonmanguy OK, thank you very much. I hope it doesn't come to that. But, thank you.
The first thing I did for my joycons was to replace the plastic rail clips with metal ones, and the second thing was to replace the sticks with hall effect replacements. My joycons are still the original pair that came with my switch, which is the original launch model switch, and with those modifications, they still work flawlessly. No drift, and they lock into the rails securely.
Dang I wish this was an option, since we have to shell out money for new joy cons anyway couldnt we just pay to have them upgraded?
How does one get these parts and do this themselves? I'm interested. I dont want my joy cons to let me down, ever!
@@Mr.Peanut1986 RUclips seems to like to instantly delete comments that reference products or websites... but I'll try one more time. Gulikit makes hall effect joycon stick replacements, and you can search for joycon replacement latches to find sets similar to the ones I got. RUclips and ifixit have everything you need so far as instructions for joycon disassembly.
@@Mr.Peanut1986Amazon.
I did nothing to mine and they still like new
One of the best Christmas gifts of the past few years was when my brother-in-law gave me a pair of joycon that were pre-modded with brand new thumbsticks that should never drift.
Do they still work fine? If so, pass me the link to em’!
Hall effect joysticks and triggers daily they are so damned good Nintendo NEEDS to switch to them
@@unclesquidy285 I guess ALPS gave Nintendo (and the two other "big'uns") too good of a deal on their pointers to pass them up.
Of course, most third-party controller assemblers moved on to magnetic pointers and are better for it, unlike the industry at large.
Guessing you mean the Gulikit HALL sensor thumbsticks?
@@esk8jaimes Just any hall effect sticks really
My joycons literally came with drift on Day 1. Literally the launch of the console, brought it home, booted up BotW. Stepped away when I got on top of the tutorial tower on the great plateau and I heard Link jump off and die from the other room. Got my pro controller that day too.
My pro controller drifts.
That's rough buddy
@@chrislevack405I have two pro controllers and they both drift.
@@chrislevack405 Yeah my pro controller drifts too.
You don't pause games when stepping away???
Damn. Joycons are now all cons and no joy! 😢
This one got me good, congrats
@trgabrielgf lol you're welcome. Honestly I made this joke years ago when I first saw and felt how bad the joycons were...and of course, all their...design problems 😅
Good thing there's pros. (Controller)
I always thought that :D
I like my Switch but I put off buying one for years because I thought the buttons were too small and cramped I'd get RSI. I own a Vita, a PSP and a DS Lite and this is the first time playing a handheld has given me wrist pains.
@@TheBlackSeraph I agree. As a kid the gameboy and DS were tolerable. But now using the joycons are quite annoying. I don't play handheld anymore so I usually just use the Pro controller anyways. But it's still quite depressing to see the state of the quality the joycons were made.
My twenty year old gamecube controller still works fine after two whole decades. Meanwhile, modern day joy-cons last only a few months before they suffer stick drift. Sadly, when Iwata died, so did Nintendo's care for quality controllers.
replace the thumbstick with widely available hall effect replacements, problem solved
The pro controller is amazing. There was just poor prioritizing on Nintendo's part.
@MrAnimason Nope. That has easily caused drift as well. No different than the joycons.
@@celestialkitsune Has never happened to me and I've had them since 2017
Honestly, the one thing Nintendo has actually done wrong at this point is not properly advertising that they’ll repair any joycon you send in for free, regardless of if the damage is stick-related. I sent in a box of joycons with everything from dead buttons to chipped casings, and all it cost me was the ink to print the label, and every single one was either repaired or replaced.
It’s almost certainly a money thing, mind you. But PSA, they will absolutely repair/replace your drifting joycons if you send them in, free of charge.
Honestly, the fact that they repair them for free means that it cannot be intentional for Joy-Con Drift to be there. That alone meant that these lawsuits were doomed from the start, since it meant people that bought replacements were either too lazy or didn’t know about the free repairs.
I think the only do it free for north America, idk about Europe
The Drift is too powerful... Their lawyers have been listening to Running In The 90s the whole time.
They spent all Night of Fire to get the joycons to be Manual
dude i was just listening to that today
@@VnVnV-893 They worked all night cause "Nobody sleeps in Tokyo"
"Preliminary steps to clean my room" - me at 32 when I pick up a sock and put it in the hamper and then collapse into a chair
Still more than Nintendo lol. You should be proud
Your icon makes me think of holding the X and B buttons on a Joy-Con.
@@RickWhitechest and 2 ps vita thumbsticks
@@Anna-dd4rh As someone who has a hard time cleaning my room due to mental health and stuff... this is affirming haha
Its gets better at 37. You won't be able to find any socks...
I wish some more people talked about the other issue with joy-cons: when old, they tend to slide off the switch just a tad, without having pressed the back button to slide them off. I swear I have never not pressed that button to slide them off, and yet without fail my joycons slightly slide off when played in handheld. It's like they can't handle the weight of the switch anymore.
ALSO sometimes, they disconnect randomly from my switch as well, acting as if they lost all charges. This happens to me while playing splatoon. If I slide them on and off again, the problem stops.
Seriously even without drift there are issues! I hope the switch 2's supposed magnetic-linked joy-cons will solve these issues
Mine have the exact opposite problem! I put on the side things with the wrist straps on them sometimes when I play the switch on the tv and when I go to unattach them they just REFUSE to slide off! They come off eventually but it’s still annoying! Also, wouldn’t they fall off easier if they used magnets to attach them?
Oh and with my other joycon, the led lights that show which player you are (the square ones on the side) do not work at all for some reason! The controller itself is fine but it’s just the led lights that don’t work
I also have this problem! My joycons are so scratched up now cause they keep sliding off of my switch when I carry it around, it actually ended up breaking the left shoulder button. Now theres issues with getting them connected too aparently theres something wrong with the attachment rail I have to like press it in harder to get it to connect.
Yeah the "locking" mechanism for both of my Joy-Cons do NOT work at all. They still sort of stay on, like they're not completely lose, but it's enough to cause discomfort. I think Arlo mentioned that his OLED's were doing the same thing here.
You can have them repaired. I always had them back within 2 weeks, and pay like 12,- for the repair cost.
Animal Crossing killed my ProControllers, too. I fixed my Controllers once and forever by inserting HallSensor Sticks. They now never break again, but also allow so much smother control.
"There is no joy-con drift in Ba Sing Se."
"I am taking preliminary steps to clean my room. Stay tuned." LOL
I got a switch pro controller 2 years ago and it developed severe drift in both sticks just over a year after I bought it (with a 1 year warranty). I asked them about the free repair/replacement program, and they said "There is no design issue with the Joy-Con controllers, and no widespread proactive repair or replacement effort is underway" which I screenshotted because it reminded me of "There is no war in Ba Sing Se." It's genuinely shocking to me that Nintendo not only didn't communicate clearly that they were doing so, but actually denied it when asked.
Weird, because when I sent my original Joy-cons in just recently, they said that they would fix the issue for free if I sent them in. I bought the system when it came out, so mine were way out of warranty.
If Iwata was still around they would be owning up to their problems.
Yeah thats bullshit, you can still send in joycons to get fixed why are you lying for fake internet points?
My pro controller had drift on the left thumbstick too, I just opened up the controller and cleaned out the dust, works fine now no issues
I always found the talk about pro controllers drifting interesting, because I got my Switch and pro controller within the same month as each other (so probably manufactured in the same window) and I’ve had to replace both my joy con sticks, but my pro controller functions completely fine even after using it as my go-to controller for Switch and primary PC controller for years. I’m not trying to deny anything, I’m just saying it’s interesting to me how inconsistent it seems, as opposed to joy con drift being more like an inevitability by this point.
Even cheap chinese emulation handhelds have hall-effect sticks in them. There is ZERO excuse to not include them in a real video game console
The excuse is it costs money, you don't have to like it but its pretty simple
@Lucarioguild7 To such a negligible percentage of the items overall cost that it does not matter.
The only reason not to have them at this point, is to prey on your consumers.
Sega did it in the 90s but here we are with the big 3 making lower quality controllers than the Chinese third parties.
If you know Nintendo's console development history you know they are looking to save that dime fraction wherever they can find opportunity to do so.
We all love Game Boys and have fondly memories but the reality is that they were hot garbage even for their time with that incredibly shitty screens. We bougth millions of them regardless.
Like one mentioned above, people can't boycott. 🤷🏾♂️
@@Lucarioguild7 If the Chinese companies that are intentionally cutting as much costs as possible can do it, so can Nintendo.
Planned Obsolescence is a really scummy practice, not only does it hurt consumers it is also bad for the environment.
Most radioactive waste comes from discarded electronics, and I think that should incentivize companies to make them more sustainable.
I love my switch, and I love a lot of Nintendo's output, but they gotta be transparent.
Every Tech Company has to be transparent with this stuff.
I doubt they planned it to happen, but it sure was fucking convenient. Just ended up in more joycon sales, purposeful or not... of course they wouldn't fix them if they don't legally have to. Fucking ridiculous
@@SlimeBlueMSuh, they actually fix them for free if you send them in according to quite a few people here.
Electrician here:
We DO know what was wrong with the joycons. Its the way they are made. On the inside the analog detector is a metal “tongue” that scrapes across a carbon pad. This scraping causes carbon dust to build up and get shuffled around in there and cause “false” signals to the sensors which is what the drift is. Its literally a symptom of the thumbstick in the joycons going bad and nintendo refusing to admit they screwed up. Nintendo could have fixed the whole thing quick and easy, by putting “hall effect” sensors in the thumbsticks instead of cheap metal tongue and pad sensors. The hall effect sensors use magnetic proximity and orientation detection to determine what is going on with the thumbstick. And its wayyy more accurate than (so far) every other analog thumbstick design on the market.
Thankfully as an end user you have the power to fix it yourself by doing the replacement of the thumbstick yourself. Or find some guy like me online that you can mail your stuff off to, and someone like me will do it for you but we charge money in exchange for services such as this. So be prepared to spend some cash. But please always support your local computer/gaming hardware repair geeks. (Geek squad does not count, they suck)
Reminder that the DREAMCAST had hall effect sticks. Sega, of all companies, already eliminated this problem entirely by using what was (at the time) new technology... that has since been abandoned in favour of planned obsolescence.
Reminder that Saturn had these first. So since the mid 90s we’ve had the technology. Costs nothing. The real reason is potentially consumers will just get new ones when drift gets bad. Nintendo is cheap with hardware so I’m not surprised.
The problem comes from who they get the analogs from. PS4/5, Xbone/series SX, switch all use the same company for their analog and they all fail
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 No, all analog sticks have this same problem, they wear out.
@@Masaim6 but they shouldn't wear out this fast.
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 This is why all of them should use hall effect sticks.
My mom gave me the TOTK OLED and game last year while in the final stages of brain and lung cancer. It was my final bday gift from her and it means so much to me now. I’ve had days of utter dread fearing that drift was beginning. I know it’s just a device but it’s my last and final connection and example of my mom’s endless desire to bring me joy and spend a crazy amount of money to give me the best of whatever I’m into. I’m about to be 40 so it’s not like I couldn’t buy my own but it’s special to me. I truly wish Nintendo didn’t drop the ball here. As much as I love the switch, the games, my OLED and the company itself, this is one thing I dread. I have 4 pair of useless joy cons I may eventually send in one day but it shouldn’t be an issue at all. These are EXPENSIVE controllers and I’m not good at making time and effort to send something like this off to get them fixed. I’ll just buy new ones and they know most of us will. It’s the best example of the company that serves us so well with entertainment not serving us in the slightest when the bottom dollar is at risk. Any legit joy con should be swapped no questions asked at any retailer at Nintendo’s dime. Then they do the fixes and resale refurbished cons. I’d buy fixed ones from them and I’d trade mine without complaining but sending them off for a few months and learning how to even do it is a joke.
My condolences
Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss, cancer absolutely sucks. 💔
As for the topic of the joycons themselves, the fact that it can take a week or more for them to get shipped off, fixed, and shipped back for free when you can just go to the store and buy new ones instantly is just… oof. Hell, I opted for that myself. If it didn’t take so long for the free option, drift wouldn’t suck as bad as it does. I mean, it’d still suck, just a little less.
For what it's worth, it's very easy to switch out the sticks for hall effect ones, ifixit has a whole kit that includes the stick and all the tools you'll need for about $20, although fair enough if you don't want to take them apart for sentimental reasons
It makes sense. You can easily prove that JoyCon drift is real. Proving it was _intentional_ though, that's a lot harder
That surprised me that the case was "intentional", there was no need to go that far... plenty of evidence there's a problem
At this point it is definitly intentionial
@@gang-ridertv5433I mean the fact that ps5 controllers have drift as well shows it could very well be a common manufacturing issue rather than intentionally making faulty joycons
@@gang-ridertv5433 in a moral sense, i absolutely and totally agree. but courtrooms dont work that way, if you dont have proof, you dont have a case, and intent in these kind of cases is really really hard, especially with the kind of money nintendo likely pumped into lawyers.
@@Domarius64 And more importantly, plenty of evidence they knew it was a problem and continued to do nothing about it. You could probably build a pretty solid lawsuit around that.
It is important to note that these lawsuits were specifically about Nintendo doing this maliciously. The lawsuits were about if faulty controllers were built like this purposefully with the intention to sell more units down the line. The fact that Nintendo won these does not mean that Nintendo can't be held accountable for creating bad products. But That's a really hard thing to pin them down on, especially because Nintendo is far from the only AAA studio with this kind of issue in the current generation. It's just Nintendo's great success with the Switch that draws special attention to the Joycons, simply because more people own a Switch than a PS5.
My first set started drifting really hard about six months in. I got it to a "workable" state by opening the calibration menu and basically "grinding" the joystick until it would stay centered, but eventually even that stopped working.
It's not just their joy-cons, because even the pro controllers drift. I wanted one for a long time, and decided to finally bite the bullet and get the special TotK edition controller last year. It felt comfortable in my hands, and controlled beautifully at first, but it started drifting after just a few months of use. It was incredibly disappointing...
I have that same TOTK Pro Con yet mine hasn’t drifted yet
@@vortexluigirosalina5557 I hope yours remains okay
@@AyameSohma1993 mine is ok for now
@@AyameSohma1993my splatoon one hasn't drifted at all yet either
There have been reports of ps5 and Xbox controllers drifting as well so it isn’t just a Nintendo issue but the joycons seem to be the most likely to drift
We do what caused the problem - pieces of metal rubbed out. Plenty of people took them apart and looked at them. Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made some tweaks to make them more reliable last a bit longer. Hopefully the Switch 2 uses Hall Effect.
Hardly. Most game companies know that Hall Effects are too long lasting to be worth putting in their gaming peripherals. That's why they still stick with potentiometers. It makes them more money in the long run. Best you can do is take apart your joycons and pro controllers and install Hall Effect sticks. Cheaper to do than buying new OEM peripherals, and easier than you'd expect.
@@wastelandking Nintendo is known to create durable products, though.
Rather than a Switch 2, I want a GameCube 2
@@logicalfundy Usually, but the Switch has been having constant stick drifting problems. Usually, they would try to mitigate that in some sort of way.
I do think they improved it, or maybe I’ve just been really lucky. All 4 of my original JoyCon had drift (one took longer to get it than the rest), and the 3 I sent in for repairs in 2019, all are still good. The last one I sent in just last week, funny enough
“You know, when I was younger….. I used to think you were cool” -that one hotdiggedydemon animation
"Even though these are perfectly fine I'm going to replace them; for absolutely no reason."
@@Greendawn-di3dl "A completely arbitrary decision"
the voice he did in that video was lowkey racist tho, got weird vibes
@@ducksfolif977 nah it was funny to me
@@ducksfolif977 You really gotta try HARD to "get weird vibes" from something so innocent. You know what, screw it. You're racist now, because I said so.
I haven't had any drift with my oled joycons yet, its been 3 years, and I'm glad they're still working so well
The funny thing is that we know the issue, it's that joycons have graphite used on the joy stick components, reducing costs but also are much less durable. Therefore from general usage it wears away over time, because the drift causes the graphite to get in the electronics and mess up the controller. Also Nintendo isn't saying that the joyckn issue isn't a problem, but there is nothing that can really be done, since it was a design flaw, especially when you crack one open and see just how many things are packed in such a small package. Then for the law suits, if they lost, what were they supposed to do? Pay the millions of people a few thousand to compensate and hurt the company?
The joycons are the worst quality official controllers I have ever used
N64 enters chat
@justinhansen4941 Idk man, that n64 controller has survived many years of my aggressive mario party abuse
Genuinely true. Even aside from drift they're horrible in so many other ways.
Same. Mine haven't drifted but only because they're so awful that I never use them. They're too dang small for my big fat man paws to comfortably use.
Those weird AA battery attachments gave them more bulk to hold onto but I still would have liked longer joycon with the buttons spaced farther apart. Like the Wiimote.
@@justinhansen4941 I never had any issues with my N64 controllers but I did have an issue with a third-party one and ever since I’ve chosen not to buy any third-party controllers of any systems that I’ve owned over the years.
Ps5 has the same exact issues. To the point that even their $200 controller has replaceable sticks because they're built to break. Though no one really complains about the ps5 controllers
This actually just started happening to one of my PS5 controllers two days ago
No where as often as the switch's joycons. The outcry would be much more prevalent if it happened with nearly every dualsense.
My two dual senses work just fine, despite me using them both daily (one for pc one for ps5). I hope it stays this way 😢
I just bought a PS5 a few days ago and I was really hoping drift wouldn’t be an issue. I’m not surprised at all that it is an issue with the dual sense controller, but MAN, this sucks. I have two sets of joy cons and both of the left ones have drift, I also have a series x controller with drift as well as a 360 controller that I haven’t used in years
IDK if something changed but I've had the same PS4 control for 5 years. The joy cons I have went out in 2 with me only playing pokemon and zelda.
Turns out the real Joy was in the Cons we did along the way
The cons we fell for along the way
@@joshriley2936 And the simps who gaslit us
Me: _silently praying that my joycons don't drift since they haven't yet_
So am I. I bought a LE charcoal grey model because I think the red/blue aesthetic is kinda ugly, so I don't think I can get replacement joycons
@@TheBlackSeraph The decorated case comes off and can be reinstalled on a new joycon if you have to replace it but want to keep it's decoration, it's not hard to do, but if your concern is drift, read my other comment, applies to you also
Nintendo wouldn’t purposefully make their joy cons bad. Motion control is pretty much their baby. If anything, they would hate that joy cons drift, because it would put a sour taste in peoples mouths for motion control.
Princess Peach Showtime had no D-Pad support. The D-Pad has no mapped action in the game, despite it functionally being no more '3D' than a Streets of Rage. Why does Nintendo have this expectation that A) we have a functioning control stick and B) we prefer that over the precision of a D-Pad for non-3D games?
That's ridiculous! Even Contra: Operation Galuga had D-Pad controls, and that came out 10 DAYS BEFORE SHOWTIME DID! How are third parties doing 10x better than first parties? I'm pretty sure like 80% of my Switch library is consisted of third party titles, compared to the maybe 20% of first party ones, and I think I'm starting to see why... maybe it was a good idea to hold off on the Paper Mario remake. I'm worried they might've screwed the controls up on that too.
Tbh, even if it did have dpad support I probably wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have dpad support, but the joycon direction buttons aren’t great and the dpad genuinely sucks on the pro controller.
reminds me of how the D-pad wasnt used at all for Ocarina of Time (due to the terrible design of the N64 controller) and how the randomizer communities for OoT and Majoras Mask added button inputs for the D-pad allowing a quick use function for: the Ocarina, boots swapping, and the main tranforming masks.
Well the control stick is still going to drift your character any direction it wants whether you use it or not. And I can’t believe you actually use the tiny shitty little gumdrops Nintendo calls a “dpad”
I unironically think the D-buttons exist because of Kirby. They suck in literally any other gameseries, but they are wonderful for 2D Kirby gameplay.
My brand new switch lite CAME with drift on the left stick. I had to replace it the day I got it. The replacement developed a deadzone on the backwards/down direction on the left side stick after about 8 months and I've just been dealing with it since. Replaced the stick myself since by then it was out of warranty, and it only restored partial sensitivity, but it's better than nothing. I've been waiting to see what the next console is to decide what I'm replacing it with.
My roommates also both have standard switches and had to buy multiple pairs of joycons within the first two years after drift developed on 3 of the sets (usually the left side, no idea what it is about the left side.) The most strenuous games they play are like.. pokemon/animal crossing, so it's not like these are even getting very heavily used.
There is no reason the same issue should have been present in this number of products, given our small sample size. While I don't think it was purposefully busted on Nintendo's part, it's an issue they simply decided not to fix for a while, which was a big problem for families who did not have the money to constantly replace the hardware (and didn't know about/have access to the repair programs.).
I will say that it seems like our newer joycons haven't developed the issues the older ones did, so our experience aligns with yours in that regard. Hopefully it's mostly resolved by now, even if they were weirdly quiet about it. I'd be happier if they had made better efforts towards transparency and compensation. Here's hoping we'll see more durable structure on whatever is coming next.
if they're mainly playing games like pokemon and animal crossing l'd say it makes perfect sense that it's mainly their left joycon that starts drifting,, you constantly use the left joystick to walk around and go through menus, whereas you only occasionally use the right joystick to move the camera (and only if you feel the need to do so). Of course the joystick that is used constantly wears down faster than the one you only use every now and then
It's pretty laughable that anyone would defend this and that the courts let Nintendo get away with such a blatant design flaw. I bought my Switch when the console launched along with a pro controller, which I have put hundreds of hours of play into on both the Switch and on PC without issues. The only times the joycons were in use were during some trips or when a friend came over and we played Smash Bros Ultimate together. Even so the joycons started drifting in spite of bare minimum use of what is expected of a packaged in controller.
Just absolutely ludicrous that they got away with this.
Sounds to me like a problem caused by bad storage.
@@toumabyakuya If sitting in the dock pretty much all day or being inside a specifically made case to protect the Switch since it was bought count as "bad storage".
Sure, whatever you say.
It's also laughable that the United States courts allow companies to stall out the legal process till either:
1. The other party can no longer afford to keep the process going.
2. Till the console's generation is at the end of its lifespan causing you to have to repeat the entire process AGAIN for the next console.
It perfectly reasonable and absolutely deserved that they "got away with it". The courts confirmed it wasn't intentional, Nintendo offered free repairs, and the issue was fixed. What more could you want?
@@luckywizard_ Dude, any and all legal processes are this long, some are even longer. That is the norm.
3:08 But they are a big soulless corperation.
I was QUITE careful with my Switch, and I still had drift on my gray joycons! Sent them to get fixed, and it happened again, in addition to disconnecting from the rails for no reason.
For me it’s not just the Joy-Con, the drift also happens with my Pro-controller for the Switch.
Same!
same thing happened to me. i got a new one. the same day the old one stopped drifting and worked fine. -_-
It does seem to be a lot less prevalent with the pro-controller. I've had two pairs of joycons and one pro controller, ALL 4 JOYCONS got some amount of drift. pro controller didn't
It's a lot less common in Pro Controllers though.
My original Pro Con is already drifting badly now smash bros one or Tears of the Kingdom could be next
I have a day one PS2 controller that has been with me through 7 moves, a spilled cup of tea and the flooding a basement and it only has very inor drift in the left stick that goes away when i flick the stick in the opposite direction of the drift and doesn't come up again for months. My PS4 controller I've had for 6 years works as good as the day I bought it. I've been through 4 sets of joycons because of drift and I'm just like Arlo, I take immaculate care of my things. I am so careful with all of my things. It's so frustrating
I don’t think it was planned obsolescence but Nintendo should’ve done better. Weren’t the skyward sword joy fixed?
A lot of the later Joy-cons have the fixes that make them, at the very least, drift resistant. Like Arlo said there are very few (reported) issues with Oled Joy-con.
So yeah, it doesn't really come across as planned obsolescence
Yup. I got Skyward Sword joycons at launch and they are fine still.
I have a switch OLED and I’ve not had any Gond drift.
Making something with the cheapest materials possible is planned obsolescence. Even if you don't think it's intentional (I think it is but I wouldn't say for sure, Nintendo is a strange company after all), it' still reducing its lifetime (and quality) for the sole purpose of obtaining more benefits.
@@ayoshi4725 There's companies like Neca, When you look at them up their own description for their company is they make perishable goods when they're supposed to be making these high quality figures that's a bit of a red flag right there considering a majority of their figures they produce end up breaking.
It's funny you say that people try to say that Joycon drift isn't real because I've seen people say the Xbox red-ring wasn't that bad.
56% failure rate, they would cover you even out of warranty early on apparently. But people would say "no you just treated your 360 wrong". I got my replacement 360 from Best Buy via their warranty and I came home with a brand new system and was back later that day. System was in a nice open area, not in any kind of enclosure. All the vents open and good but NOPE, red ring.
Everyone I know who has a Switch has had the joycon drift problem at least once. Thankfully I only had it once but I don't trust it to not happen again. I don't even game on my switch that often so IDK how it even happened to me. But I got controllers dating back to the PS1 days and they still work with zero issues. I treat my stuff like gold.
The thing that's annoying about this lawsuit is all controllers apparently would be calibrated by the console to try to adjust for joystick issues. That's why the PS2 rarely had the issue but the PS5 apparently gets drift pretty easily. So - this is entirely intentional or just negligence. I know with Nintendo it's different since the sticks operate slightly different but, c'mon.
Anyone who says the joycon drift thing isn't real, is insane. Nintendo doesn't fix things for free, ever. But they do it for this specific thing and there's no issue? Ok.
Considering how expensive a pair of joycons is, this is entirely unacceptable. I've got controllers from 8bitdo, a 3rd party company and I've never seen stick drift and I've had them longer than that first pair of joycons. Now I got one with halleffect stick so it should likely NEVER happen according to things I've read online.
The only people I know of who have not had stick drift issues with the swtich or pretty much any console are ones who either rarely use them or recently bought them. I think its the price of the controllers in the last decade or so that has made it so much more obvious, as back in the day it would be that they would screw up and you would just assume you broke it or wear and tear and go buy another one or your parents would buy you a crappy third party one, and with most handhelds being digital, it was rarely an issue. But with more being internet savvy and the likes of the switch lite especially where new joycons are not an option for even the most tech illiterate of people, it was only a matter of time before even normies would notice stick drift being a thing. You would think the big 3 would go hall effect and be done with it, but I guess its more profitable to eat warranty repairs and sell more controllers.
“The switch felt rushed to market…”
THANK YOU!!! I’ve literally been saying this since joy con drift began. Nintendo has usually made hardware that is high quality, but because they were forced to get the switch out in as little time as possible due to the Wii U’s failure, it’s very obvious that big problems weren’t discovered soon enough and that normal durability tests just weren’t done as often
Ps5 and Xbox series controllers also have drift issues.
Not saying the switch wasn’t relatively rushed but it’s not just a Nintendo issue
Since I play handheld-mode almost exclusively, I've gotten very familiar with the Joycons, and I have to say - while they have been decent enough, the drift is absolutely a real thing, and it's a very real potential hindrance.
I remember right around the time the pandemic started, my original gray Joycons began having issues with both sticks drifting upwards. It affected every game differently, but it was most noticeable in New Horizons, where my character would start slooooooowly inching to the north sometimes if I set the Switch down on my desk. It got worse and worse as the months wore on, to the point that even hunting for bugs became an issue (especially tarantulas/scorpions, since you need to time your movement to get close to those!).
I ended up buying a set of red/blue Joycons next, and while those worked pretty well, last year the left stick began having leftward drift. Once again, it was small and affected every game differently, but it was very real - I'd pull up the map in Pokemon Violet and the cursor would actively be sneaking away, with the accompanying sound effect and everything. I ended up having to recalibrate the sticks, and while that did seem to "fix" the issue, I'm absolutely expecting it to rear its ugly head again sometime in the future... not to mention the fact that my X button is now having problems of its own.
While it's disappointing that the lawsuits didn't pan out, I have a gut feeling that Nintendo basically dragged their feet the whole time specifically to wear out the patience of the people suing them. Much as I love the Switch and its library of games, its sheer success has enabled a lot of the worst corporate habits like this.
That was worth the whole video for the "I've been taking preliminary steps to cleaning my room..." bit 😆
The reason for the drifting is already confirmed on what causes it.
If you open the joycon and place a small paper piece on top of the stick sensor the drifting gets fixed, in fact if you press in hard next to the home button with your finger, the stick will become more resonsive
winning a lawsuit with nintendo isn't possible. the one guy who one(Shouzou Kaga) formerly worked at Intelligent Systems and they sued him, and in the end even he lost after nintendo appealed several times(the judge basically gave them a stfu ruling, but still)
dude one day you should get a small puppet and introduce it as your nephew even have your irl nephew do the voice. not as like an ongoing thing but as a lil bit of lore on this mysterious nephew thats always playing your switch. it could be alot of fun
No scrappy doos.
I second this idea, very creative!
@@magicsack scrappy doo was a regular member of the cast. I do NOT want that
I think it’d also be fine if the little puppet was mute but stood in for the real nephew’s opinions as a young Nintendo fan. For protection’s sake, his voice may also want to be obscured
@@heath6802 hey that’s a good idea
Players: We've got witnesses, precedent, and a paper trail a mile long.
Nintendo: Yes, well, I have ten high priced lawyers!
Get ready for the Switch 2 featuring the Joycon 2: Tokyo Drift.
To fast to drift.
Looking forward to Crowbcat's video especially
Literally every single joycon I’ve owned has drifted.
I have like 12 pair (yes, pair) of joy-cons and i usually use them in small event letting many many people try out my Switches (like 200 people per event for 10-20 hours for a weekend). So they are very well used. I did have joy-con drift on 2 pair (after 2 years!) and i used the small cardboard fix and they have been good ever since! Most of the issue cause either dirt stucking under the analogue sticks or more commonly the whole joy-con just getting bit more loose. The local Nintendo repair shop fixes them for free, but i haven't yet needed to bring my joy-cons in. I am pretty sure this was not intentional, but they did not tested the durability for the correct way to realize that these controllers can get loose or dirty like this which causes the drift. I really do hope they will be more aware and test their controllers more carefully in the future though.
I'm mad that they were able to get away with accidentally selling a faulty product... The SECOND they realized this was happening (which they did, as they seemed to have fixed the issue in newer joy-cons) they should have done recalls. But I guess that would be TOO EXPENSIVE (like a flipping Minecraft anvil).
My biggest issue of all is just how despite this massive issue with the controllers, Joy-cons are still more expensive than the actual games themselves. These little plastic controllers with drifting problems costs more than the games that took years of development time, coding, and artistry to make.
I guarantee the price is simply because of two reasons:
1) Nintendo, at least where I live, does not sell JoyCons separately - only in a pair.
2) They know damn well you require them, so the price is jacked up - They may not have intentionally caused the drift issues, but they are not against taking advantage and forcing you to pay out the nose if you get drift. It makes them money.
@@aurastrike You can get a pair for 30-35 as long as you don't care it's not from Nintendo. XD
I'll say for myself I've never experience joycon drift but I've gone through 5+ PS4 controllers that have all began drifting. So my theory is it isn't anything special about Nintendo, it's just the industry as a whole is using more shoddy materials to save money.
Same here. The parts in those $75+ controllers are worth no more than a few cents
Mee to
I can only imagine that proving planned obsolescence in court would be a nightmare if it was illegal - and it isn't, which is crazy to me
Nintendo can easily do malicious compliance.
"You want proof? Okay, here's the minutes of every Switch related meeting going back to 2015. Here's all the emails with the word "switch" in them".
Just bury the other side in paperwork.
That's just it. In the end, nothing Nintendo did was technically illegal. They did release a faulty product and willfully ignored the issue, but at worst all that can do is hurt their brand image. And just like we see with the end of the video, in most cases their customer loyalty is too strong for even that to matter.
About two years(?maybe?) ago I upgraded from a Switch Lite to an OLED. I was worried I'd experience drift like how my siblings did with their base model Switch. Thankfully though, to this day, I have not experienced drift! I can't help but feel though, at the back of my head that drift will sneak up on me overnight and begin to rear its ugly head. Fingers crossed it doesn't!
I knew about the drift going in, which is why when I went to Wal-Mart to buy BotW I told the girl running the electronics section that I wanted an alternate controller for my Switch. She knew EXACTLY what I was talking about and directed me to a retro controller set.
The only time I have ever used the joycons is when I had to for the gyro puzzles in BotW and had a tiny bit of drift that was easily solved, but going in knowing this was a thing is why I decided to never use them.
Maybe the only way for us to really know whether the drift was/is intentional or not at this point is to see whether this kind of thing happens again with the Switch 2 controllers?
INSANE they won this suit. At least 1/2 of all pairs I saw before 2020 drifted. Not a single pair of mine made before then didn't.
4/4 of my joy cons developed drift
dismissal does not mean “won”
@@blueditto doesn’t a dismissal mean the court found no basis in the case so in a sense Nintendo won?
@@samantha953 not necessarily.
@@samantha953 from what I understood of the case, it was called for dismissal because it was dragging on for too long and because those hoping to see any money out of it (as it is a class action suit, they don't see money until it is won) are getting fed up with how long it is taking. So they are calling for a dismissal because they want to make money now, not later, basically. At least that is my understanding of the matter anyway. So no, Nintendo didn't really win, more like the other side got fed up with waiting.
Tbf I think it being dismissed is less because the involved parties gave up, but more that it's very hard to prove that Nintendo was intentionally making defective products, like that was the conceit of the lawsuits and it's probably more likely that they just *didn't care* enough to fix it, which while that's also bad, it's considered "less bad" legally, and well you can't exactly go "oh well we couldn't prove that they were doing this REALLY shitty thing, but they're still doing this kinda-sorta shitty thing, so our case is still valid?" Since when you sue someone you have to be pretty specific about what you're suing over.
As a casual gamer it was frustrating to buy so many joy cons. My n64 controller sill works with no drift.
Why would anyone ever get pair after pair of joycons when you can just repair the drift problem for $5-$10?
"The fight is done. We lost."- Obi Wan Kenobi.
Oh well, stay tuned for the next Joycon Drift 2.0 folks.
See you all on the next Switch release 😉🤙
Why'd they do that though? Like it's just negative PR and repair costs
@@fluffynator6222 Side 2 opener of Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd.
If Iwata was still around, he would absolutely take responsibility and address the issue of drift right when it first came to light. Based on how Nintendo's handled it so far, I can't say the same for Furukawa.
I've got an OLED Switch, and only just recently has the white pair of Joycons started drifting, so the issue hasn't completely gone, but whatever Nintendo did seems to be just more of a band-aid solution.
The only proper way we can be rid of drift is with Hall Magnet sensors in the sticks instead of whatever Nintendo's using currently.
Since when did you have it?
if iwata were around he’d shrug his shoulders because this had nothing to do with nintendo of japan lmao
@yggdrasilsaltar
What do you mean nothing to do with Nintendo of Japan? He was CEO and President of the company.
@@Masaim6 day one
Good god Iwata was a nice man and all but he’s not the reincarnation of christ. He saw the development of the switch and knew the cheapness of the joy cons. He would’ve probably just done what Nintendo did already, offer free repairs and end it at that.
I have a xbox 360 arcade edition controller which has zero drift. Whether or not Nintendo knew these controllers had a flaw or not they refused to fix the issue in newer interations.
I don't know I honestly always thought that the switch just sucks as a handheld. Joy cons can get drift, they can become loose, not to mention I find them quite uncomfortable. And the whole thing is just cumbersome to carry... Remember the times when people could carry their portable consoles in their pockets? Or in those tiny purses. Now you need a proper backpack for everything.
I just never stopped playing my 3ds lol, only using my switch as a home console permanently hooked to the tv.
3:20 Get it? He's fighting a square and he's sponsored by Square Space :D
When they announced the Switch Lite with joycons that DONT COME OFF, i felt like walter white screaming "HANK" when all my friends were buying one
Even if Nintendo won the lawsuits regarding these controllers, I imagine they still took the feedback to heart when it came to designing the controllers for the Switch's successor. Even if they refuse to acknowledge the issue, I'd like to hope they've quietly solved it for whatever comes next
Nintendo never likes to make a huge PR stunt out of the problems. They just fix them
This is one of the few times I have to criticise Nintendo, they should’ve fixed the issues with the joycons.
Copium
@@sahaprocks7751 They got what they wanted, I'd say they won even if the courts didn't
You see, the „problem“ with fixing drift on next gen joycons is that then, in another lawsuit, you can use these new joycons as proof of acknowledgement of the problem. Therefore Nintendont could be enforced to repair every drifting joycon for free.
But if the next gen is as bad as the current… well, guess who sold some pro controllers again?
My mom got me bootleg joycons without realizing that they were bootleg. And the funny thing is, almost all of my official joycons drift, but the bootlegs I have don't.
The cleaning the room analogy was spot-on.
It’s joever
Im bidone
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Joy-wari da 😔
Ha!!
It’s Joyver
Is it an algorithm thing to interrupt youtube videos with the sponsor segment? I'm so used to Arlo doing that part right at the beginning that I was surprised to see it happen in this one.
At least he didn't do the "But do you know what's also related to the video?" with a cheeky smirk.
Yeah, when people see an ad at the beginning/end they tend to just skip it or click off the video, so putting it in the middle makes it less likely for them to skip it if they're just watching in the background or something
You can just use sponsorblock you know
@@osu-osu-osu It don't really mind it. I just liked how Arlo makes it very clear when it's happening, and usually does it right at the start. So it was surprising to see him suddenly interrupt the video for it.
Arlo I Just KNOIW youre sitting there waiting for paper mario in this final hour just like me. thanks for your videos
European union resident here. Got both my joycon repaired two times each (one at a time, never together) during the 2 years of warranty. After the last free repair, they never drifted again so they probably have found the fix as you said about your OLED. Hate that they've not acknowledged it though.
8:34 No. Releasing a newer, expensive model with joycons less prone to drift is not a solution when every other Switch will get drift still
I had several pairs drift. A while back I replaced them all with hall effect sticks, which should in theory never degrade the way the stock joysticks do, and sure enough I've not had any more drifting issues since then. Sucks that that's what it takes to get reliable controllers but it's not that expensive and it futureproofs them so I do recommend it
Yeah, I take that over free repairs or getting another set purely because it's the most assured to be a lasting solution.
It's over... Billions must drift😢
Welp, there goes whatever credibility the Nintendo seal used to have
Wouldn't them winning the lawsuits mean the seal is intact?
@owenmenning3878 the only reason they won is cuz of a scummy "you can't sue us" clause in their EULA so uhhh not really
@@lssjgaming1599 ......You can't use EULA's as a legal argument what the fuck.
@@UltimaKeyMaster I doubt that was the reason they won, because as you said that's not how that works.
@@lssjgaming1599 That's not how EULA works. If the Joycon's really had a problem as bad as you are saying then the EULA would have been void. That it wasn't shows that, at least in the eyes of the courts, it wasn't such a big deal.
The thing is . Analogue sticks are made from Plastics that over time crumble (from the effects of the environment, and your human oils) . Pads worked around this, by adding DeadZone that auto calibrates itself (Even N64 pad had this !!!)... that Switch controllers F MISS ... you got 1milimeter bent plastic analogue , though luck... YOU GET DRIFT.... Third party controllers FIXED THE F PROBLEM BY ADDING HALL SENSORS and EVEN METAL RODS THEN PLASTIC ONES in analogues... like 8BitDo pads do (or other brands do) ... the thing is , Nintendo build those pads to fit in a set cost , and it shows ...
And still, Joycons cost more than 150% those controllers. One of the most questionable Nintendo has ever made fs.
@@JoseViktor4099 yeah , that's why they where hammering the Emulation of Yuzu ... when you not only could run all those Switch games on Tablets\Steam Deck\PC in 2k60 fps , but play on Controllers that are BUILD TO LAST ... then have a planned obsolescence, since they miss auto DeadZone correction ... Xbox360 pads also missed it
I never bought a Switch, so I don't know how bad it may or may not be, but back in the day with the sticks on the N64 controls... They'd wear out SO easily.
Preface: I’m not defending Joycon Drift, I just think this whole comment section has gotten a little echo chambery.
We know the cause of Joycon Drift. Analogue sticks use graphite pads, these graphite pads get worn down meaning there are small pieces of graphite under the controller that have been scratched off, meaning that the controller sometimes reads inputs when there aren’t any. This is why getting the joycons properly cleaned temporarily fixes the issue, the graphite is no longer there to make it falsely detect the joystick, however this isn’t permanent because as you continue to use it more graphite gets scratched off. The same thing applies to adding cardboard to increase the pressure on the graphite pad. This also temporarily fixes it because it can sense the analogue stick better, however due to the pressure more scrapes off over time so the same thing ends up happening.
This isn’t a Nintendo exclusive issue, as this can happen to literally every single analog stick to exist, with there being cases of it on the Xbox 360 and PS4 among others.
From my understanding, the reason it’s way way way more common on switch is because the pressure on the graphite pad is going to be higher than other consoles due to Joycons having small, compact designs. Therefore the main way to fix it would be to redesign the joycons to make them a little bulkier. The only issue is it would make handheld mode more uncomfortable to do, and it would require redoing everything that requires the specific Joycon shape, such as labo, the controller slot thing, the Mario Kart wheels, etc etc, hence their reluctance to follow through.
Bear in mind, I’m not a hardware designer, and I’m not a Nintendo employee. If I’m wrong on any points please correct me.
Not really corrections but additional context:
* Not all analog inputs use graphite, but all analog inputs ARE suspect to developing drift/ghost signals, due to how the technology works.
* ANY analog control is capable of developing drift issues, because it is impossible to guarantee no noise or bad calibration b/w the hardware & the produced signal, & analog is by definition reading fine granulations in the signal.
* Technically, even DIGITAL controls (ala 16/8-bit NES/SNES/Genesis controllers) can develop drift... but the way digital works it has such ridiculously robust built-in fault tolerance that it is very, very unlikely to be a problem.
* Part of the reason Switch Joycon's are more subject to failure is the choice of using graphite, in addition to the smaller form factor which is generally less robust.
* A bunch of comments are mentioning hall effect ... which I am not 100% familiar with, but apparently you can use it to make joysticks that are less likely to developing drift. I can tell you 100% however that hall effect joysticks are not IMMUNE to developing drift, because they are STILL ANALOG.
* Making the joycons bigger - I think a lot of people would actually LIKE that from an ergonomics standpoint... Nintendo probably would be against it because they would need to scale up the console size & compromise on the portability aspect however.
Also not a hardware designer, nor an Nintendo employee.
The call out for the anti-Nintendo crowd is you can't expect Nintendo to make a joycon immune to drift... that is impossible. Nobody can do that. You can only expect them to improve the design so 'joycon-2' is less likely to fail
The call out for the pro-Nintendo crowd is to stop minimizing Nintendo's bad design decisions that make joycons more likely to develop drift issues early & often. They didn't have to use literal pencil lead in their joysticks.
@@kgoblin5084 Nintendo did make a drift-immune stick. The N64 stick. But the stick itself wasn't really that durable and was prone to breaking down. It's drift immune but not immune to wear and tear.
I feel if they could replicate the drift immunity of the n64 stick with a much more comfortable and durable stick we would never have this issue ever again.
Started having stick issues in 2018. I had initially sent one in and got it resolved for a while, but it soon came back.
It never got too ridiculous up until last year, so I just kinda lived with it (occasionally recalibrating and stuff in an attempt to mitigate it and avoiding any games that require you to press them).
Eventually I couldnt take it anymore and got the stock sticks replaced with some "hall effect" sticks that supposedly dont drift... And from what time I've spent with them, they've held up quite well!
At least Nintendo’s biggest scandal at the moment has to do with their hardware and not implementing AI instead of writers or treating their employees like trash.
selling subpar product is just as bad imo.
frog soup ready
I mean that's less that the joycon issue is ok and more that the game industry is setting very low bars.
didnt they have that entire "red badge" contractor nonsense
@@sammalone7881 no? Workplace mistreatment and abuse in significantly worse than selling products of dubious quality
On the topic of no other controllers having drift...
The only controller I've had drift problems with was a Wii U pro controller... but it wasn't even a official product, it's one of those "Afterglow" brand controllers (It still works properly, I just need to take the batteries out every so often to reset the controller lol).
happened to me, i can't afford new joy cons, but i did the small piece of thick paper under the joycon trick and it works wonderfully for nearly a year now.
I’m one of the lucky ones who never experienced drift once the entire time lifetime of the switch, but that is unfortunate for those who did
Also wish they'd fix the rail system for joycons connections so they don't have trouble locking in properly
I think the issue is when playing handheld they flex a little. I bought a comfort grip that clips onto the system and joy cons and it doesn’t flex anymore. This seems to have prevented mine from developing that locking issue.
oh hey, someone else with that problem! the paint gets chipped off and the right joycon is no longer recognized by the system... even though it can charge fine enough. I hope I can get it repaired for free along with drift in my area
Something I think you're misinterpreting, even though you said it before, is I don't think Nintendo was "hiding" from it, or even ignoring it outright, i think they were just being lazy. I think they knew it was a problem, and they did "damage control", but there wasn't direct solutions
Joy-Con drift definitely is a thing, and I’ve experienced it with several of my Joy-Cons as well as (I think) with my Pro controller. It’s never been more than an annoyance for me though because Nintendo has always fixed them for me, for free. I’ve never even had to pay for shipping. If people don’t realize they can contact Customer Support and request a repair, honestly, that’s on them. Nintendo’s phone number has been the same for the past 30 years; I’ve had it memorized since I was a kid.
Also it’s worth noting that Nintendo isn’t the only one with this problem. My PS5 and Xbox controllers have also experienced drift. Sony repaired the controller with no problem (though I did have to pay for shipping), but Microsoft basically told me I was SOL because I was out of warranty and I had to take it to a private game repair store to get it fixed. Either way, it wasn’t the end of the world.
I thankfully have not experienced drift in my joycons or my pro controller yet, and I've had my Switch for years. I can't say exactly how much playtime I have clocked in though. Once I was aware of the issue a few years ago, I bought BoTW with a bundled pro controller and use that more often than the joycons. I don't know if it's because I'm a woman so my overall grip strength and hand size are a contributing factor in the hardware not degrading, but I'm just thankful I haven't needed to replace my controllers yet. Hell, even my old PS2 controllers work fine, though the one with the most use has a stuck X button. I have experienced drift on those before, but they just needed to be cleaned and then they were fine again.
At least we won the Thousand Year Door remake war
With beautiful 30fps.
The only pair I had an issue was my launch Joy Cons and that’s it. My OLED and Pro Controller work perfectly fine.
Haven't had issues with my oled joycons, i use em a lot with the slides they were packed with since they make them just right fit to hold
Seems it was issues with the launch batch & even some of the model after too
Both my launch pair and the splatoon 2 colored joy cons developed drift for me. I didn’t try a pro because I like switching between tv and handheld. If the OLED don’t develop drift then that’s hopefully promising for the successor console.
@@samantha953 had my oled joycons for a year & half now with about 500 hours total played with them minus about 100 or so from smash ultimate with my gamecube controller
i’m heartbroken
I don't know if this applies, but a common practice for large businesses is to prolong the case for as long as possible, thus draining the funds of the accusers enough to make them desperate on accepting a settlement; or just dropping the case altogether, cause they can no longer have the financial means to continue the pursuit.