ALPHA LEGION ENCOUNTER PRIMARIS!

[@ReallyTwistedHumor]

"What is that they're wearing, I've never seen anything like it?"
"They're wearing literal plot armour brother"

[@GodlordBazi]

Well, bad for them that they don't have access to Castellan axes or guardian spears. Those things seem to cut through plot armour like a hot knife through butter. :

[@jaghataicarp9664]

@@GodlordBazi thats cause those weapons got doused in super plot weaponry

[@AA-bn7tf]

Lol

[@bernardobastos5996]

"They're wearing literal plot armour brother"
Yet regular fucking marines are always killing them.
We hear about how strong and hard to kill they are. How they take much more punishment to take down and striker twice as hard... yet in the end they lose... so what's the point of Primaris again?

[@donovanapatang6402]

@@bernardobastos5996 They are outranked in experience. In a few hundred book years we will see how experienced primaris fair in battle.

[@Mortechai]

Tinkering with "The Emperor's own work". Notice how the Alpha Legionairre didnt refer to him as the false emperor, or corpse emperor, or any of the other usual titles the chaos legions call him by.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Yep. Hydra is the wild card. Legion. Destroy evil from within for the long game win.

[@teamredshirt]

BeatingClownz, wouldn’t that be a twist. I strikes me as kinda funny that a hidden cult in Chaos territory could be one worshiping The Emperor.
That’s even better than my Malice/Dark Angels theory/imagination-thing, that Malice will become the fifth Chaos God by turning the entire Dark Angels chapter into Fallen, giving him access to Primaris tech, with which to much more directly screw with his siblings plans.

[@SB-zc7vy]

and its just '' The Emperor '' not ''God Emperor'' ... in my opinion alpha legion has loyal elements surely .. but not for the imperium of man ... only to the Emperor .

[@Caercutta30]

I think he's offended at the prospect.

[@khorneflakes2175]

@Pedro Kantor Didn't they "helped" some loyal marines to retreat when pressed close by the traitors at some point in the HH ? Sorry i don't have any details, it's just a hunch. I do agree with the point you made.

[@ivanharlokin]

Alpha Legionaire: "These new Primaris are ridiculously tough, Games Workshop are really pushing their rules hard"

[@nobodyherepal3292]

That would be a thing wouldn’t it? The Alpha Legion breaking the 4th wall would be funny as hell if it was cannon.

[@ineedmoreflavour1955]

Are Primaris fun to paint and do they look nice? : Yes
Does Primaris lore make sense and feel right? : No

[@septicsauce322]

@@ineedmoreflavour1955 I'd actually argue the second question is a "yesn't". It is very believable that one of the more liberal tech-priest would tinker with the Emperor's work and eventually succeed. Tech-priest like Cawl aren't your average human. What is not believable is that the Imperium hasn't been split into, *again.*

[@sirpieman300]

@@septicsauce322 i mean.. the imperium has quit literally been split in two by the great rift... whether this will eventually lead to a totally splitting has yet to been explored, since mostly the story has focuses on the not cut off half of the imperium.

[@septicsauce322]

@@sirpieman300 Oh, I know that! I am just saying this because of the Primaris Marines.
As most people says, the Primaris Marines make little to no sense lore wise. Their creation makes sense, but the reaction to makes little to no sense! Having the Imperium split on a more ideological level would make a sense: progress vs stagnation. It will be Guilliman and Cawl vs the ones that wish to remain the same.

[@akiramasashi9317]

"Only to unbelievably get back up and continue fighting"
That's got nothing to do with being Primaris. The sons of Dorn are just too stubborn to die.

[@pokejust7045]

Or too angry in case of Black Templars

[@yulu803]

Its because they have 2 wounds

[@manhunter433]

Possibly both because they're a son of Dorn and a Primaris Marine

[@Volvith]

Gods of Ruin: _"DIE MORTAL SCUM."_
Sons of Dorn: "No."

[@lavatun]

I can see a salamander doing the same thing.. Those guys are basically living tanks..

[@svagglaorde4387]

Primaris Marine: Wait, you're all Alpharius?!
Alpha Legion: Always has been, brother...

[@blackaua]

*Always has been, Alpharius...

[@Matihood1]

I think it should be "have been", as in "I/We have always been Alpharius".

[@claytonmann2597]

I am Alpharius, we are Legion, the Hydra awakes

[@claytonmann2597]

@Legion of the damned tastes minty

[@bryanbarcelo5440]

watch all primaris space marines actually just being alpha legionnaires

[@anondescriptbullet]

imagine how utterly terrifying it must be for alpha legionaires come across something that they know NOTHING about

[@NathanJackLouttit]

Kinda seems wrong that the didn't know

[@frozi7711]

Huh didn't know bullets could type

[@anotheralpharius2056]

you know what is really interesting is that alpha legionaries were larger than other space marines and were about the size of primaris

[@Buhlmanzky]

Actually Alpha Legion know nothing until they need to....mind wipe and misplacing memories and stuff

[@cgi2002]

Honestly, it'd still be about 5minutes before the Alpha legion had the Primaris marines shooting each other to hunt the traitors among them.

[@obliviouslich1722]

"After the exchange, one lone Primaris gets up and say: "Hydra Dominatus, brothers! I'm, too, Alpharius"."

[@pokejust7045]

"Jokes on you Brother, we are Omegon"

[@Sleepy_zzzzz]

I am Alpharius

[@stevencarr5294]

Hail Hydra
Wait...

[@Humster]

@@stevencarr5294 *BAM!*

[@lamehick7511]

Harlequin: Fools, it is me, The Emperor!
The Emperor: You fell for the classic blunder, for it is I, Trazyn!
Trazyn: Ha, get trolled scrub, it is actually me, Creed!
Creed: OI U HUMIEZ ARE DUMB! YOUZ FELL FO' MY TRICK. AS IT IZ I, DA BLUE SNO'FLAKE!
Guilliman: Fools, you've let yourself get outplayed by me, the Deceiver!
The Deceiver: *cackle* UahUahUah *cackle* Just as planned *cackle*
Tzeentz: ok...

[@randomcenturion7264]

Makes sense that the Primaris are pretty good at fighting Chaos Space Marines, seeing as the Horus Heresy saw a lot of learning curves for Astartes fighting Astartes, seeing as, aside from the Space Wolves, they were never intended to fight each other. Whereas the Primaris were born to kill the traitor legions.

[@malyxxplays7949]

The primaris was a contingency to reinforce the legions..

[@NueThunderKing]

Malyxx Plays nope, they were intended to be better than conventional marines, and a perk of that is being able to fight traitor legions better.

[@nehrigen]

Coraq and Land would have had it no other way.

[@bryanbarcelo5440]

world eaters were intended to fight anything and everything that bled or cried

[@mandaloriancrusader6699]

Notice when they are not taunting loyalists, traitor legions still speak of Emperor with significant reverence. Did not forget who made them and concept of some magos doing it better feels like a double insult + heresy even for them - actual heretics lmao

[@obadiahvonhammerstein4553]

Actually, in the second of third chapter of the book it shows that they talk in what appears to be insults to the Emperor and Imperium is actually a cyphered from of communications fror them. But yes its nice to see a more objective and distant perspective in Warhammer 40K.
"For the twofold betrayals of our Legion. For our refusal to select a faith, in a galaxy of manifest gods. For the brothers we've slain. How could this slow winnowing not be a punishment?"
A quote from an Alpha Legion marine. You know who if you read the book!

[@betchersgland7236]

I don't think Alpha is a good indicator. It's doubtful that reverence for the Emprah is common in the legions pledged to Chaos.

[@dermilchmann25]

They wanted the heresy to win so horus won, who would have destroyed humanity because he sees what he has done. chaos gods would be destroyed because their main power source is humanity.
Some people also say that omegon is loyal and alpharius isn't

[@Hyde-dg7ef]

Well this is Alpha Legion we are talking about. We don't really know whether they are for the Imperium or Chaos. At best, they are renegades. At worst, we have no idea with some being traitor, some being loyalist, some being "wth is even going on"

[@raphaelkoch1573]

@@betchersgland7236 Alpha legion are different from other Chaos legions, they know the Imeprium has turned out the opposite to what the Emperor wanted and plus they are a split legion, they would have some loyalist elements.

[@chegorilla1468]

Alpha Legion is just upset that they need to wear platform shoes to disguise themselves as Primaris.

[@chegorilla1468]

@ボイス As far as I know there's nothing that states they're Primaris sized. 🤷
As far as I'm aware Alpharius was the "Manlet" of Primarchs and only a few officers were large enough to act as body doubles.

[@GodlordBazi]

@ボイス Yes, somewhat. Alpharius and Omegon were the smallest of all Primarchs, while their sons were a little taller than average with some individuals among them even rivaling their fathers in height.

[@joevines3428]

Alpha legion are the same size.

[@anoriginalzero3107]

They can borrow them from the Noise Marines

[@ScreenTalker]

@ボイス theyre always depicted as shorter and smaller than other marines. imagine someone like Brian Shaw or Bob Sapp

[@thebluephanto7655]

"Brother cheek the shoulder marks"
-"i see an....angry red face, aren't those suposed to be imperial fists"

[@Ecthelion842]

"Brother, why is one of them climbing into some sort of shoulder mounted device one of his brothers is using? And why is he gesturing towards us with his middle finger raised?"

[@thebluephanto7655]

@@Ecthelion842 "are they...screaming profanities?"

[@curtissutherland6094]

"What are they wearing!?"
"Oh that's just the Mk 1 Plot Armour"

[@grimreminder5038]

Alpha Legion: "Omegon, these Primaris...they're unstoppable!"
Omegon: "What game are you playing at, Gulliman..."
Reboute: "My nickname's 'Reboot' for a reason."

[@mobiusZero2]

Traitors: Seems easy
* After the fight * holy sheet their too tough

[@ps3overlordnl]

I really Like hearing the thoughts of the traitor legions on encountering the Primaris, I need more now

[@Monkeyshaman]

Apocalypse(?) gets you there.

[@nikik5567]

Agreed

[@baygon6582]

There was an iron warrior in a book that just saw the new primaris grav tanks and he tried to put a bomb underneath it and he got crushed lmao

[@ps3overlordnl]

I like to imagine how some are excited like the world eaters to fight such a challenge, but most like the Alpha legion are like “oh fuck”

[@GodlordBazi]

*Alpha Legion*: "Oh shit, those guys mean some serious paper work coming in for us..."
*Iron Warriors*: "Does this mean we have to siege every single one them in order to get past their armour now?"
*Black Legion*: "Hell, I'm not going to sign in for the next Black Crusade, this shit is getting ridiculous."
*Death Guard*: "What the fuck, why are they so tough without having to sneeze all the time?"
*Thousand Sons*: "....."
*Night Lords*: "Nah, rule number one: Never try to bully the big kid in class."
*Word Bearers*: "Shit, doesn't seem like the good old Wololo is going to work on them."
*Emperor's Children*: "Hmm, I wonder if EVERYTHING is bigger about them. ;)"
*World Eaters*: "KILL!! MAIM!! BURN!!"

[@tincano-beans2114]

The actual lore is that the alpha legion also walked up with primaris and said, "... oh, this is awkward..."

[@brandonreed8300]

Hol up

[@danvojnovic6804]

Wow this is amazing

[@paulhuston9991]

Now this is odd.

[@Mister-Chief]

I supposed the alpha legionares would take some primaris gene seed to have it analysed

[@sirpieman300]

as far as i'm aware.. there is no difference in the gene-seed.. they just have more organs/ other modifications

[@Loveless387]

I mean, the new model of Fabulous Bill is literally that :D

[@SeraphimRoad]

They sabotaged and stole the Raven Guard Raptor project. Which was a precursor the Primaris project. I am sure they will steal this one too my implanting a couple of sleeper agents among the Primaris

[@nicholascerillo4000]

Me: was expecting video on Angron/World Eater, but this was pretty cool.
Angron: *KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK* “CoMe On OuT RhOoooooo!!! I jUsT wAnNa TaLk!”

[@12NuKe21]

Fools are those who think Angron would knock on anything else but the heads of his enemies

[@nicholascerillo4000]

Octavius Claudiu in my last comment on the teaser video, I did mention him kicking the door down. Just imagine that Rho has replaced said door with Titan-grade blast shielding

[@Trollfagget]

"So are the Alpha legion traitor or loyalist?"
"Yes."

[@lloydgush]

More like "we don't know anymore... Maybe both, neither... Both and neither? Well, I'm alpharius!"

[@stryz5736]

@@lloydgush ''Yes ? no ? maybe ? the question is what is loyalty" :D

[@LoganSearles]

I like that the alpha legionaries are just like “oh shit there bigger .

[@russiandoomer945]

change what you wrote or i will slap you

[@Gwolfsoun]

*They're.

[@horrorfan117]

Went from
"Oh shit. They're bigger."
"Doesn't matter brother they'll fall just as easily."
to
"OH SHIT! OH FUCK! WHY WON'T THEY JUST DIE!?"

[@toomaskotkas4467]

The Alpha Legion Marines on average were the tallest out of all Space Marines, so they should be of the same height as Primaris.

[@Maxibon2007]

> “Argh!, how are we supposed to pretend to be them?!”. < “Erm?, we could get stilts?!…”

[@mostlyjovial6177]

I believe lore wise they are already larger than the average marine, so slightly more heel on their boots should be fine. Lmao

[@jackmyers8687]

Quote from the book:
‘We have fought the long war against Chaos without them for ten thousand years,’ replied Dysorian. ‘New genetics? New weapons? Spawned from the work of a tech-magos trying to imitate - no, worse - to improve upon the Emperor’s own labours? Battle-brothers who do not even serve time in the Scout companies or the Devastators before taking their place in the line? I neither trust nor need such warriors amongst my ranks, Pavras. Dorn’s fist, they’re not even proven in battle!’

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

I sure do love me some Alpha Legion. Despite being traitors, the author of this one manages to trigger a surprising amount of investment into what’s happening to them during the course of this excerpt. I’m not a huge fan of Cawl one-upping the emperor to create even superer -super soldiers, but moments like these are awesome. It almost always feels like the Space Marines/Imperium are the ones on the back foot when up against chaos, but this did a great job of making them feel really powerful, dangerous, and even superior to the traitor legions they’re fighting. It’s good to see them get a bit desperate for a change.

[@obadiahvonhammerstein4553]

Andy Clark did a phenomenal job with this book. I was already enjoying the story of the Alpha Legion, just cemented my loyalty to them!

[@Tullaryx]

Ahh but was Cawl actually one-upping the Emperor's work when he told Cawl to continue on with his work.

[@obadiahvonhammerstein4553]

@@Tullaryx Curious. Perhaps I am confused, but do you mean that Cawl received the Emperor's or Guilliman's approval? As far as I know Guilliman instructed Belisaurius Cawl to begin work on the creation of the Primaris Project. The Emperor at this time was likely entombed in the Golden Throne and access was extremely restricted. So I doubt that the Emperor was able to give his approval or permission to this endeavor. I am curious to hear of your sources! I eagerly await your next reply.

[@CedricBassman]

@@obadiahvonhammerstein4553
As far as i know the Emperor actually gave the Order, altho i have to dig through a shit ton of lore to be sure again.
I mean everyone out there like the Emperors work is literal perfection that cannot be improved, like he is some type of God (pun intended).
We already saw he could very much fail with the Thunder Warriors. Given time i'm pretty sure he could've worked out those flaws, but since he was in a hurry he went to a smaller scale instead of even trying.
Cawl had pretty much 10.000 Years and unlimited resources to perfect the Formula, not to mention he had half the Blueprint of how to make Primarchs, which also helped...a lot.

[@Tullaryx]

Obadiah von Hammerstein One of Cael’s memories has the Emperor telling him to continue his great work. This was during the final years of the Heresy.

[@scolipede9995]

Reminds me of my first game against Primaris: “Ha I have double the marines as you! We’ll wipe you out blow for blow!” *Proceeds to lose war of attrition with 2 wound Primaris who refuse to die*

[@GoblinWizardry]

Big Alpha Legion fan, they seriously need their own codex like the blood angels, god how some of the forces of Chaos need some love, but the Alpha Legion is just so freaking different than the rest of the chaos space marines!

[@AlindBack]

I mean, part of this is that they're Primaris, part of it is that they are sons of ROGAL DORN. Too stubborn to die quickly.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Custodes: y'all hear sum?

[@contemptordreadnought]

@@thecommentguy9380 yes

[@hach7882]

Alpha legion operatives being freaked out by primaris almost sounds like they view it as a heresy against Emp's work, makes you wonder...

[@dominicvucic8654]

Some actually do

[@KameSennin4209]

Alpha Legion are closet loyalists confirmed?

[@mostlyjovial6177]

Alpha legion is only traitor when it suits the bigger picture

[@CedricBassman]

100% they are freaked out just because they didn't get to be enhanced.
Literally no Traitor Legion would have a problem with this as long as *they* got to be Primaris.

[@Freedmoon44]

@@CedricBassman tbf Alpha Legionnaires really dont need to get even bigger, they would be Custodes size ^^ with the insane coordination discipline, mind manipulation, AND added implants and more enhanced than ever, they could litteraly infiltrate the Custodes and stay as sleeper agents there, hell they could even have the opportunity to steal Custodes Geneseed or discover how to make their own if they did, and as Alpha Legion they are most definitly amongst the only one in the whole galaxy with the means to make their own Custodes because they would use the ressources of the imperium instead of their own

[@ahmadillo4959]

Given how much we've been shown the sheer power of bolt weaponry for as long as Space Marines have been around, I have to admit it's quite jarring to see them turn into peashooters when fired at Primaris. It just doesn't feel right and it really shatters that sense of extreme firepower they've represented for over three decades.

[@GodlordBazi]

Depends. It's not like they are doing nothing to the Primaris Marines, those guys are just able to take more rounds than normal Astartes. Even the regular Space Marines were able to take multiple shots of bolt weapons, but lost their ability to keep on fighting, depending on where the shots hit, while Primaris are able to keep on fighting. If it wasn't for this fact, creating Primaris Marines wouldn't have made much sense, since quantity is a lot better than quality if a single hit knocks you out anyway. Russian tank tactics. :

[@aethelon4144]

@@GodlordBazi Isn't there technically as many Primaris as the firstborn or even more? I remember the initial batch numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

[@GodlordBazi]

@@aethelon4144 Well, there was never a clear statement on how many Primaris Marines were created exactly, but most assume that it was about 100.000 - 120.000.
.
The reason for that is the fact that half of the Primaris Marines created were assigned to the Indomitus Crusade and after it came to a close, there were about 20.000 Primaris Marines left.
.
The Lexicanum said something about "9 legion-sized armies", but I think that was an error on their side. Nine legions of primaris marines combined with the already existing Space Marines would make a total of more Astartes than there were arround during the Great Crusade, half of them being superior to the marines of the Great Crusade, which is ridiculous. Nothing could deal with a force like that, not even the Necrons or the Tyranids.

[@aethelon4144]

@@GodlordBazi There were 20,000 Primaris marines left after a vast majority went to resupply losses from the other chapters as well as some making their own pure primaris chapters iirc.

[@GodlordBazi]

@@aethelon4144 Yes, exactly. I think 120.000 Primaris Marines sounds about right, that would be an addition of roughly 10% to the regular Astartes. Nothing too crazy, but very much needed none the less.

[@HoundofOdin]

Alpha Legion: Don't worry, you'll figure out how to be Alpharius too eventually.
Primaris Marines:

[@henrypaleveda7760]

is your name a refernce by any chance? Or are you feeling particularly sunny?

[@michaelhowell2326]

I might be damned for this, but I don't usually count the Alpha Legion as Chaos Marines. Traitors and Renegades for sure, but not quite Chaos. If they ever pledge allegiance it would be to Malice.

[@aleksjankovic2397]

Most of the Alpha Legion stuff I have read is 30k but I just finished reading the novel "Hunt for Voldorius" (40k) where the White Scars and Raven Guard fight the Alpha Legion and their Demon Prince Leader Voldorius and they are most certainly Chaos Marines.

[@Freedmoon44]

@@aleksjankovic2397 tbf it is 40k so a bunch of em likely very large legion due to low attrition damage for obvious reasons most definitly fell to Chaos.
That and they make the perfect random Chaos undivided ennemy to be put on a random battlefield. "Why is the Alpha Legion following the Daemon Prince?" "Because they are Alpha Legion dont ask"

[@CousinJesse1]

Primaris Marines seem like a return to the Thunder Warriors of old Terra.

[@timothytimmins5119]

That could actually be cool if the primaris marines were somehow flawed or unstable like the TW. Or if the primaris marines were ordered to purge the legacy astartes like what happened after the unification wars

[@alexander-er8io]

the unstable genes would be cool like they all start to die sooner than thought. so the size and added power comes at a cost.

[@davidpujman6082]

alexander yeah and once the galaxy stabilizes a bit they could get purged like the thunder warriors

[@99Plastics]

@@timothytimmins5119 Lore wise they should since robicon marines are all traitors about to be, but GW will not want to upset the carebears of the old.

[@99Plastics]

@@alexander-er8io Tell that to custodies or primarchs about their size coming at a cost lol

[@Deamon93IT]

While I don't like the concept of the Primaris per se it's refreshing to see traitors pretty much feel offended by the idea of some lowly Magos tinkering with Big E's work. This shows that, even though they betrayed Big E they still respect their grandpa and what he did to create them.
As far as armor and weapons those are definitely more believeable because even the Imperium can innovate at times and doesn't require any weird conciliation with the old lore (like the Cursed Founding and how the Inquisition reacted).

[@DontEatSmurfs]

There is still the theory that alpha legion is loyal

[@Deamon93IT]

@@DontEatSmurfs from what I recall Alpharius and Omegon wanted Horus to win because that would have ultimately defeated Chaos (or so the Cabal said), then again a lot has change since the Heresy and the sons of the Hydra might have turned full on heretic.

[@paulhuston9991]

Omegon was also not on the same page as alpharius. 1

[@Deamon93IT]

@@paulhuston9991 ah yeah, forgot about that

[@decarus834]

@@Deamon93IT Heres the thing tho is there in no true records of Alpharius or Omegon's death, hinting to the fact that they just faded into the shadows and lead from them.

[@bdablader95]

Man I had no idea that we had lore with Chaos Marines reacting to the Primaris. Its definitely an awesome take on the concept, now I gotta read this book for myself!

[@barlotardy]

Sounds like it's time for the Alpha Legion to break out that stolen Raptor project data!

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

@Anzu Wyliei alpha legion is surprisingly unmutated. This might come from their organization: they likely didnt flee to the eye of terror, at least not as much.

[@griffin5653]

Anzu Wyliei the vast majority of the Alpha Legion fled towards the Galactic East and currently operates as small black ops war bands/pirates stirring up shit all over the place as distractions to hide their true target or to create openings for other traitor legions to sink their teeth into. It’s why most of the legion is surprisingly uncorrupted by the powers of chaos, so it’s very plausible that the data is still intact.

[@KameSennin4209]

@@Tom_Cruise_Missile it's because the emperor protects them.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

So if the 20th still has the data; the. They have truly legion #s. Has to be. Think abt how fast they could make SM with that data. It would make the primari. Obsolete at the 11th hour. Come back to the fold and say “im sorry” to corax. We had to to fit into the traitors...hey. Btw. Here is a new legion for you that we made. Just for this day. Go. Have fun.

[@jimminey-fooking-cricket4903]

OP much.
Maybe makes Hersay armour look like wet paper tissue and after all that weapons turned on those once called brother lines.
At least the AL understand why I find the primaris a complete 180. Tinkering with the Emp's work and innovation from Mars.

[@tripod222]

Well, I do like the primaris, but I'm sorry, no bolt rifle butt, regardless of who swings it, will dent the shoulder pad of a marine armor. That thing will (much) sooner break rather than visibly affect the thickest layer of armor on any marine armor, regardless of type.

[@Archon3960]

This may backfire once Cawl experiments with a certain geneseed.
Also, Primarines aren't _that_ hard to kill. They lack the experience, and once you identify the weaknesses in their Mk10, you can kill them as any other Space Marine.

[@tripod222]

@@Archon3960 Lorewise, they are not only tougher (tanking damage) but also faster. Identifying a weak spot and then hitting it while the target is moving at the speed of a dog in a literal dog fight are separate things. All this is reflected (or rather "was") in the second wound, as opposed to 1-wound old marines.

[@Archon3960]

@@tripod222 You mean 2 wounds old Marines ? :)

[@tripod222]

@@Archon3960 Indeed, now they are. I think it's basically the right choice game-wise, but the Primaris took a hit in ludo-disonance, since they are not tougher on the tabletop anymore. Ah well, as long as SM feel like SM, everything's good :)

[@MandoSki464]

Just read this novel about a week and a half ago and it was pretty damn good. The unsung we’re badass, Kharn was badass, the whole book was badass!

[@darrianweathington1923]

Alpha legion: Ah shit, ah geez, this isn't good... *HE CAUGHT A BOLT ROUND WITH HIS TEETH!?*

[@theroadstopshere]

Actually a fan of the Primaris, in part because they're intended to contrast with the good old Spess Mahreens. It puts the old marines on the back foot, and makes them more humanized by their struggles to deal with something designed to be better than and to replace them. I don't know where GW is planning to go with the Primaris, but the questions and uncertainty it's added make for some interesting interactions. Are they being made kinda OP in lore at the moment? Sure, but even still they lose battles and are killed by older marines using the advantages that chaos warbands have always had over loyalists. And the fact that it's shaking up and adding new blood to even the oldest and most mundane chapters means that we're getting to see a lot of old chapters being revived. It's good to see new challenges and changes introduced, even if my first instinct is to clutch my old codex and fight against the replacements.
There's a lot of potential for good change in the Imperium and the Chapters right now, which is a huge relief after years of stagnation that would make Nurgle blush.

[@99Plastics]

wow an opinion that doesn't go "Whaaa primaris me no like, old rubicon go brrrrrrrrrr"

[@drlca6601]

It'd be dope if Roboute, without the knowledge of his brothers, went crazy and Order 66d all primaris to destroy the OGmarines not in UM or successors, as they are too corruptible and then Vulkan or/and Lion has to stop him and kill him, while every chapter descends into chaos, and in the end the Primaris turn out to be not so incorruptible, as many turn heretic in the process, or go mad like the Thunder Warriors. It would be shocking and obvz GW won't do this, but I would love it. Not to subvert storytelling for the sake of it, but just to subvert things to bring in vibrancy. Roboute was trying to Empz 2.0 and basically becomes 40k:evil (he's already evil by our... well, my standards.) That cyclical storytelling (like how Empz hunted TW) is alway appreciated. It would make his character actually worth a damn, and I say that as someone who never hated Roboute for his spotlight, but just found him 1D. At the end before Roboute dies, he repents. Vulkan forgives him and says something cool about how the Empz was pretty much a mad man too, even though he was THEIR mad man. I particularly like the idea of the Lion shunning primaris, because he doesn't trust anyone.
For me that would be much more fun than, "hey here are updated models and it was just some tech-dude he REd the Emperor's arcane, divine genius, cuz it's time for a new look." Primaris could still be there in the end, both as enlightened loyalists and lost traitors, funnelling into traitor legion and stealing primaris geneseed, but their abrupt entrance could get all the mileage its worth this way IMO, and then Roboute could not be so 1d.

[@drlca6601]

@ボイス lol better than shoehorned primaris just showing up with superiority over OGmarines. Either way, this isn't my prime fanfic, just a fun idea. I posted my prime fanfic on another WLR vid I think, and it's even more cliché lol, with an enormous barely cohesive rant about 41k endgame all tucked into two YT comments.

[@kianbehmanesh7775]

Whew, these Primaris boys are tough! I’m sure glad we were able to defeat them with no losses whatsoever despite the fact that they’ve shot better, noticed us immediately, and have better equipment.
I guess no plot armor is stronger than being a named character.

[@JABelms]

Nothing beats a group of Alpha legionnaires working together. I'm sad though that they didn't use asshole tactics to kill the primaris

[@collecter343]

@@JABelms In the same book the Alpha Legion leader challenged a Primaris to a sword duel then proceeded to shoot him in the face several times right after, destroying the helmet and them having his sniper finish off the poor guy. Fight to win no matter what.

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

Alpha Legion are still secret loyalists, and I will believe nothing less than that.

[@user-yq3fz9ch5q]

The Raven Lord disagrees.

[@DocBravo]

About damn time Alpha Legion got some love, been a long while

[@nicholasbreecher9315]

None of them were Alpha Legion. They're all renegades from other chapters adopted by the Alpha Legion..... That was genuinely probably the worst book I've read so I'm surprised he gave it such a glowing review.

[@bigredmonster19]

Just started my break at work, great timing!

[@tgs9034]

*From Mars* Ah yes those traitors will get stunned by how good we genetically modified those big fleshy bois. Now... Big blue person where are those toasters you promised me!

[@tenajnin]

I didn’t know a lot about them until I read Legion from the Horus Heresy. Loved them by the end of it!

[@PsychopathUltimate]

Even when they're genetically superior to non-chaotic traitors, the Imperial Fists still get used like a mop on the floor.

[@obadiahvonhammerstein4553]

Hello everyone! First off, I just want to say a thank you to Wolf Lord Rho for doing this segment of Shroud of Night. I am quite glad that you chose to do a video about this book and the Alpha Legion after me seeing and commenting on your post about you reading this book. Makes me very, very pleased! I love the Alpha Legion they are probably my favorite one! Don't look at me like that! You know you are intrigued by them too!
Secondly, I would like to point out a few things to help highlight how skilled and deadly these Alpha Legionaries are. These Astartes which at this point in the book number less than fifteen Astartes. [I think its been a while since I read it and my copy is already packed up for a move. :( ] They have no surviving Apothecary, Techmarine, or Librarian/Sorcerer just specialists and marines that have had to fill in the roles of their lost brothers. From one hundred to just under 15 Marines. They survived on a world that was stuck in the Warp whose purpose was essentially a last group standing.
But I digress, their sniper has a sniper rifle taken from one of the Mor Dreythan of the Raven Guard, a weapon that is as silent as it is deadly. Earlier in this book we see his prowess of shooting down an aerial craft from midair on an open ramp of a Stormbird while they are being shot at. He plants his stance, takes aim and kills the pilot through the glass. So for this Imperial Fist Primaris to simply get back up after a shot to the head is a big deal for the Alpha Legion. Phal'kir later comments "What was that!? No one gets up after a shot like that from Thelgh!"
When Kassar has to drop his bolter to use two hands to drive his blade further into the Intercessor to kill him is stunning. Kassar's blade is not a simple chainsword or a relice power sword, but a power sword that contains a Slaaneshi Demon inside it!
The Alpha Legion had numerical superiority, stealth, solid weaponry, and decades if not hundreds of years killing Guardsman, Sororitas, and Space Marine Terminators on their side and they still struggle to kill just 5 Primaris Intercessors. Even though they lose no personnel in this exchange they are still unprepared for the Primaris' last effort of stopping them.
Also, of particular interest is their first assumption of the Primaris Space Marines. To my knowledge the last time the Imperium tried tampering with Astartes geneseed was the 21st Founding just before the Age of Apostasy. 7 known chapters are identified as being part of this founding with nearly all of them possessing mutations, terrrible luck, and distrust from fellow chapters. Lamenters: seemingly free of Red Thirst and Black rage, but possessed of a poor luck that sees them consistently under 400 battle brothers or lower for the entire chapter. Currently undergoing Penitent Crusade, and suffered assault from Hive Fleet Kraken. Fate is currently unknown. Flame Falcons: mutations that saw themselves covered in spontaneous flames, but themselves unharmed by it. Their sanity eroded and the Grey Knights had to be called in to exterminate them and their homeworld. Black Dragons: Bone growths that exceed standard skeletal structure. Upon first glance you would think they were Chaos Space Marines with how many bones they have sticking out of them! Under observation by the Adeptus Mechanicus and Inquistion for somehow sending gene samples that always show as pure despire continued bone outgrowths. Blood Gorgons: Okay these Astartes ended up serving Chaos Undivided! The list goes on and on with it only getting worse when Fabius Bile took an interest in the chapters of this founding.
So to my knowledge this Founding marked the end with the Imperium tampering or daring to improve geneseed. Which is all the more remarkable for the fact that the Primaris turn out to be such a resounding success in terms of being free from mutations, idiosyncrasies, and corruption.
Conjecture and Statement: I continue to standby my opinion that Guilliman or Belisaurius Cawl received information from the elements of the Alpha Legion (Omegon at Eskrador?) that led to the development of the Primaris Project. I also believe that the Traitor Legions are still unable to create their own Primaris Marines, a possibility that is chilling in its possiblity now that we know when Loyal Primaris are capable of..
Again thanks for posting this and leaving me wondering when the next Alpha Legion clip is going to slink their way into view!
"No gods, no warlords. For the primarchs and the Harrow."
See site for good quotes!
www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/6pewtx/alpha_legionaries_react_to_the_primaris_marines/.compact
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Founding

[@billdoor1569]

Now the Alpha legion have encountered the Primaris they will be developing Anti Primaris tactics and weapons, they are not idiots like the other chapters/legions

[@andrzejwysocki609]

alpha legion: these primaris boys are hard to kill
custodes: not really.

[@dingliedangliedoodle9261]

Clapped some whiny ass cheeks, they did.

[@maximgun3833]

They're custodes. EVERYTHING is easy to kill for them.

[@andrzejwysocki609]

@@maximgun3833 not the possessed space marines they died to a man fighting them :D

[@mostlyjovial6177]

Lmao "Try a giving them a bolt round to the head losers"

[@duerf5826]

Tau Riptide: "Wait... those are different breeds of marines? They all die the same to me."

[@dinocha0s]

Damn this was a pretty good one...kinda nice to see from the point of viee of the traitors.... Dont underestimate the Imperium even when they are crippled!

[@Duppyman695]

"Iam Alpharius"
I don't care who you are because we are super duper soldiers!

[@user-cq1cw8xz7f]

Funny coment however... I am Alpharius

[@verinis3126]

Now now children. None of that...I am Alpharius!!!

[@drlca6601]

Primaris marine removes helmet.... "I am Alpharius..."

[@HowardTaveras]

I know it must be confusing for all of you but I must let you all know that I am Alpharius.

[@user-cq1cw8xz7f]

I'd say we all Alpharius but I aint no commie xD

[@cdarockmcmahon3260]

I know my opinion isn’t popular, but god I love primaris marines. I can’t wait to see more lore on them.

[@orygungeeksolitude1380]

AlPha LeGIoN is A TrAiToR LeGiOn. Yet here we are, Alpharius-Omegon in all the resplendent glory of the Hydra, stomping on Primaris and Chaos alike. If the will of humanity is to be free, then how is the Alpha Legion a traitor to mankind? Or is it just against Thuh Emprah?

[@Volvith]

**boss music starts**
Alpha Legion: "Hear that boys? OUR MUSIC HAS BEGUN!"
Dorn Primaris: _"No."_

[@kristopheralbright6149]

Even in the books they have 2 wounds.. for the emporer- alpha legion.

[@nickoleli437]

Alpharius: can we all agree that these chonk bois are heresy?
Alpharius: yuuup.
Alpharius: yep.
Guilliman: yeap.

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

It's time the empire kick some ass again. The primaris now are for the galaxy the same as were the space marines for the galaxy 10k years ago.

[@jackrogers5712]

The Belisarian furnace is one hell of a drug. They can shrug off wounds that would definitely bring down Firstborn. It's really impressive!

[@notdoomguy1616]

One of the Fists didn't turn around and say "I am Alpharius", my immersion is broken, my disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined.
0/10

[@attackfleed1301]

Chaos sees primaris marines
Chaos marines: Heresy ?

[@dnlowithstripes]

I'm just glad they went "you can't improve on the emperor" and got corrected immediately.

[@latro666]

Alpha legion were attacking before their forthcoming 9th ed 2 wound update

[@demonsexslave85]

Guys, remember the raven guard already tried out primaris marines in the heresy. Who was it that sabotaged that project and stole the data for production? Oh yeah, the alpha legion. They already know of primaris marines and if they played their cards right could have been the first ones to field them in battle. Probably need fabius bile and his order to achieve it but they should have had primaris marines long ago.

[@aprinceofearthsea4875]

I love these two legions, and it's great to hear the Primaris getting some cool moments.
The community bitches about them so much it's hard to remember that they're actually sick as fuck.
The Emperium actually has a chance now, instead of just waiting to lose.

[@darrenrenna]

Love the Alpha Legion, I see their minds at work trying to figure out the Primaris weaknesses and how to get ahold on some of their Geneseed

[@cernos7230]

Chaos Marine: *Sees new Astartes*
Chaos Marine: WAIT THAT'S HERESY!!!!!

[@5illyM00se]

"... And you hoarded it."
"I... Uh... Uh... Ahem, I'm telling you they are something new..."
Kyphas angled his right shoulder away and checked to see if his pauldron sticker bearing the Alpha Legion iconography remained intact.
(Good, I don't think Chapter Master Gabriel Angelos would forgive me if I let this be the way I get discovered.)

[@meanestgreen3320]

Did alpha leagion really just call the emperor "the emperor"? And not corpse God? Or corpse emperor?

[@MOUNIRKADDOURI1989]

Don't do that. Don't give me hope

[@eldunae922]

They go around shouting FOR THE EMPEROR at people. So yeah, they call emprha by his name.

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

They started off anti-chaos in a wierd, roundabout way. They either got corrupted over time, or are just still in deep cover.

[@BLACKHYDRAWARGAMING]

the alpha legion fights against the chaos. as per se they will use any tool and weapon available, even to be traitors themselfes. alpharius was always loyal to mankind.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

The 20th is the wild card to end the war. Using chaos to kill chaos and not being affected by it. Hell. Even Perties boys. Cut off all “chaos infection” and go. Cyber replacement. He hates chaos and sees the “gifts” and a determent not a boon. The 20th will come back into the fold and distribute the raptor protocol to all the loyalists. The hydra has to have a shit ton of troopers since they have access to that kind of rapid growth of SM. They have very good reasons to keep that shit from Fabiois Bile. That shit would be. Game ending in his hands.

[@slyscott1430]

I really took immediate interest in the cultural pov difference from the loyalists, with the traitors. You have an enemy that knows just as much about you, as you do about yourself. Some knowing more of your own roots, strategies, hardware, chain of command, your moves, back up plans, they know who to target, who to avoid, and more. Because they were once like you, brothers, son's.
I just loved how you could so easily see what it was like to truly know your enemy, through this video and how much it's over looked. Up until now, the traitors pretty much were the enemy that knew the imperium the best and so that alone made them an enemy worth fearing. But now take note of how close they came to a huge loss, just by being wrong about knowing their enemy.
You may know so much, down to the thoughts and feelings of the imperium, but what you don't know, can kill you. They did not expect this, not even to be so sorely mistaken. The Alpha Legion did not know their enemy like they thought. And here you get a perfect glimpse of what that's like.
That's just my take away.

[@KaiserAfini]

I am confused, what Alpha Legion ? All the primaris met was Alpharius. Now if the primarch would spend less time switching covers, he might have enough time to call his space marines.

[@KaiserAfini]

@TheyCallMe Doug "What kind of fool do you take me for? He's Alpharius, He's Alpharius, You're Alpharius?! I'M ALPHARIUS!! ARE THERE ANY MORE ALPHARIUS' I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?!!" - Most space marines after surviving a few encounters with the Alpha Legion

[@drlca6601]

@@KaiserAfini Everybody named Alpharius, please step to my left... Everybody named Alpharius, please step to my right... Wait...

[@shekel8245]

I remember when you have 1k subs! Now you're one of the most engaging 40K lore channels on YT. CG, bro. Keep up the great work

[@SirJustinTheLion]

I'm surprised the Primaris didn't catch the bolt rounds bare handed and throw them back at the Alpha Legion. But its GW writing and they're Imperial Fists so of course they lost because GW doesn't respect its own I.P.

[@mostlyjovial6177]

There's so much contradictory info in this short comment, I've nearly had a brain aneurysm trying to understand what you said.

[@SirJustinTheLion]

@@mostlyjovial6177 you're welcome.

[@mostlyjovial6177]

@@SirJustinTheLion thanks?

[@ltjamescoopermason8685]

Another foot in the black library door .
Excellent invitation into primaris action with your review of the best science fiction books sold on the Emperor's world !

[@doom1609]

I actually find the Alpha Legion so complex and interesting, mainly because of the mystery. But also because of their own individual strength and size compared to other space marines.
Their reaction to the primaris is humbling and rightfully so. I love reading about the Primaris due to the “underdog” vibe they have while being such BRICKS in the field.

[@jamesdonlin8408]

I love the AL and therefore absolutely loved that book! I t really made me want a specific AL codex, to showcase exactly how different their tactics and fighting styles are in comparison to the usual Chaos Marine fare! I especially loved the team demographic- how different they all were. How some were falling to chaos despite not wanting to, some resisting chaos against the odds and some wanting to serve the ruinous powers! Each marine felt like an independent character in his own right! I feel the story was left on a big cliff hanger too. I'm really hopeful for a sequel, sooner rather than later!

[@Thalanox]

I like Chaos Legion books much more than Loyalist Legion books.

[@jarradwarner7200]

I think myself moving forward in the hobby. I'm going to buy sets to paint and then sell. As long as I can get the investment back then I'll be able to still be able to enjoy it in a lessened degree. The problem for me has always been. The hoarding aspect which becomes inevitable with new and great models coming out all the time. Though I think if I can have a budget to buy and replenish that budget by selling what I've painted then I'll hopefully not fall back into the negative trappings of the hobby. Another problem for me is transporting models and the inevitability of prized pieces becoming damaged in transit. Also rules that change all the time. With that by the time I'd learned the rules well enough to employ tactics to win a new edition would be produced and the rules would be changed. Though if I just paint the models which has always been my greatest enjoyment, second only to the stories and the fluff. I'll be bypassing, the more tedious parts of the hobby. It seems to be successful at the game. Every other aspect of life requires to be sacrificed. Its like the subscription to an mmo which you'll never have enough time to learn.

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

I've always been fans of the Alpha Legion and the way they carry themselves during battle. So when they fought these Primaris Imperial Fists, I was really interested in how the Sons of Alpharius would handle Roboute Gulliman and Belisarius Cawl's new modifications to the Loyalist Astartes.
I also like how they still respect the Emperor, showing that not all Traitor Astartes have been blinded by Chaos.

[@paulmarchano7238]

They still need to work on Chaos Marines being stronger than regular Space Marines. Therefore, it should be a fair fight between those with the gifts of chaos and the Primaris. At least from my perspective.

[@louisarius9672]

I'm surprised those busted Primaris didn't suddenly get up again, all at once, from their Belisarian Furnace supercharge. That would've been much more interesting.

[@FriezaSucks]

That line about them being desperate is so much more telling about their feelings; For one, as you said, it shows that the alpha legion members are impressed with their own merits of pushing the Imperium to tamper with the Emperor's work, but also shows that they're now on-edge, maybe even fearful about what's to come. A cornered animal is a dangerous animal.

[@weavelcow9596]

I love how they show the 2 wounds in this fight. Also it's funny to me how in the lore they are like "these guys are beasts" as well as on the tabletop. Great moment

[@bloodwolfkoji]

I like the part when they first sight the Primaris Marines and the first reaction for one of the kill team members is "Wait, have they grown taller now?"

[@viewernewest]

I find those traitors calling the primaris, perversions of the emperor's work, quite hypocritical.

[@asonofhoruslegionary]

Nat20 Damage could not have said it better myself

[@jgw9990]

@Anzu Wyliei Girlyman "we must break up the legions, no man should have such power." Also Girlyman "lololol I'm gunna secretly create an army of millions of super space marines. But I'm not a power hungry hypocrite or anything why don't people trust me."

[@Wimpiethe3]

Not per se. It depends on the alpha legion band in question. Not all are chaos worshippers after all. They could be uncorrupted marines who are still working to carry out the plan to destroy chaos.

[@austinharrison7515]

I'm a loyalist through and through primaris Marines are desperate times calling for desperate measures I don't like papa Smurf but is effective black Templars no pity no remorse no fear

[@jgw9990]

@ボイス It's "worked" because games workshop wanted to sell new models, not due to any realism in the story.

[@rainbowsixODST]

I fucking LOVE the Primaris Marines! I know some are not fans but the sheer possibilities and new avenues they bring to the setting more than make up for any negatives.

[@kleanthisxanthopoulos9670]

"From a traitorous point of view"? I doubt that. Would a traitor legion refer to the Primaris as imperfections that were created by some Martian meddling with the perfect work of the Emperor?

[@albertor.6635]

Primaris:Will the real aplarius please stand up,
ALPHA LEGION:Everyone stands up at once.
Lol

[@SuperUniverse]

Even Traitor Legions respect the Emperor's Design of the Space Marines.
They even think that the Primaris is an abomination

[@isaacjones748]

Alpha legion has a special place in my heart

[@Jarvo-ed6pj]

My first though at the title was 'this should be good'
Then the IP are mentioned 'this should be great'
When one of them tanks a sniper to the head {visible arousal}

[@andrewcaldwell-jones8212]

I really enjoyed knowing their thoughts on the primaris but what i really loved was how they still held the emperor with some regard with his work on the spaces marines. nice to see some stuff on the Alpha Legion, they seem to be left out some what unlike the other legions of traitors or loyalist

[@Kareszkoma]

I'm starting to give in to the speculation that those marines have a lot of Thunder Marine in them.

[@valandil988]

I like how the Alpha bois are like "Nah the Emperor made perfection no way some cog boi could do better" would you look at that they ironically still have deep respect for Emps.

[@Aristaios]

i was expecting the Alpha Legion to get ambushed by Reivers

[@elizabethmckay4550]

would of been cool if we could hear of world eaters encountering Primaris marines, lol would love to see their egos take a hit

[@NemesisMarine01]

Goes to show 10,000 years of experience win over Primaris.
But it is satisfying to know they can barely survive a fight with them.

[@GAnonymusG]

The barely survive part should have been wrong. They should have died and lost many at the cost of barely winning. It's more believable had the primaris all of them got headshot before the fighting really began in earnest. Which would read better too.

[@NemesisMarine01]

@@GAnonymusG Yeah see this can be the problem with different authors writing differences in power and skill levels between Primaris and normal astartes.
Some write that a squad of Primaris is a match for 30 normal Space Marines and others say they are equal apart from the physical differences, equipment and weaponry.
I read a passage from a story that Gabriel Seth knocked a Primaris Captain out cold to prove normal space marines are still superior.

[@GAnonymusG]

@@NemesisMarine01 Logically even if a guardsman killed a Custodes that proves nothing. Cause it's not about the person but their wargear 9/10 times. Getting shot hurts no matter who pulls the trigger.

[@franbenac4441]

I bought my first W40k book ever in February this year and it was Shroud of Night. I am a big fan of W40k in general so I had to have at least this book. I was amazed at how good it was. I apsolutely recommend it.

[@user-cz4tk2vr9i]

That 1 dislike is from an Alpha Legion Informant amongst us...

[@Del_S]

Wait, we're not all Alpha Legion informants?

[@G4rr0.]

LIES!
I haven't even watched the video yet...
....
I mean...
What informant?

[@Sigmar_Heldenhammer]

Hydra dominatus

[@jefreyvalencia4669]

You know the first one who says their are informants usually are the informants themselves!!!! 🤔

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

The shadows have shadows of their own...
-Hydra Dominatus

[@ninjartist36]

Primaris:Exsist
Loyal and Traitor Space Marine Legions: H E R E S Y!

[@kmsgneisenau436]

It would've been so much fun if the Alpha Legionaries were just like, "Oh, so that's what they look like." and moving on.

[@hummerskickass]

Knowing the primaris, I wouldn’t doubt for a second if some of the imperial fists survived that engagement.

[@Wimpiethe3]

It's fun to see uncorrupted astartes vs primaris. Assuming these alpha legion indeed are uncorrupted, nothing alludes towards them being so anyway.
There's a bigger gap in abilities than I imagined. Knowing primaris don't measure up to custodes still, this makes custodes even more awesome. I'm calling it now, the primaris exist just to emphasize the awesome power of the custodes. ;)