SNK Before the NeoGeo
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Episode 409 - SNK is best known for their NeoGeo arcade and home systems, but what where they up to before that? Well... that's what this episode is about!
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I'm honored to have helped push your patreon above 700 a month, joe. As someone with pretty gnarly (as well as tubular and chronic pain, your show has been a huge part of the things that make up the tapestry of my life towards enduring, and enjoying it as much as I can. God bless you and God bless green dog
Man I deal with pretty horrific chronic pain too (they say it’s one of if not the most painful condition one can be diagnosed with) it’s called complex regional pain syndrome or CRPS.
Trust me I’m not here bragging about that or did I want to mention it at all lol I just wanted to say that I also tend to use videos like Joes to try and help distract my brain and train of thought to get whatever I can in my head to fire whatever other neural signals that are working towards any receptor other then the infinitely traveling and constantly overused destination of pain.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug to be honest. Most new videos I haven’t seen that contain anything nostalgic usually does the best for me so whatever dopamine that releases or whatever receptors that helps light up definitely causes enough to take the mind off the pain and you deal with this chronic crap so you can attest that even a tiny break from that constant hell can feel like a 2 week tropical vacation sometimes. It’s hard to explain to most but people who deal with it know what I mean most of the time at least and yes to the rest who may come across this and be confused then I’ll tell you that something as simple as a short video meant for small bursts of entertainment can be a big help if your in the right mind set. Nothing helps take 100% of it away but when you deal with severe pain 24/7 then dialing that 100% back to say 50% for a hour or so truly does help more then i can explain
@@FrankBeingFrankthank you for sharing this with us friendo.
That Athena theme really brought me back to a simpler, dare I say more innocent time. No irony, no conflicted anti-heroes, no self-aware winks to the camera.
No, Athena will simply read your mind and render judgment upon you.
*Hey Joe, long time watcher and Fan*
*Just wanted to thank you for giving me something to look forward to every Sunday*
*Appreciate your work and effort.*
*hey MelRetro, first time reader and bystander
Just wanted to thank you for your profile pic and giving me something to look forward to the next time you comment
Appreciate your work and effort*
- damn i put way to much effort in that youtube comments joke.. sorry
That's a *bold* statement.
. . . .
(and I concur. Much love to Joe)
The Ikari Warriors series of games is what I remember SNK for mostly before the NeoGeo.
I remember being 6 or 7 years old and impressing the hell out of a late teenager playing akari warriors his home with the stand-up arcade that he had.
Thanks for answering my question Joe, 46:50, I saw that at 5am after just briefly waking up. I completely forgot I asked that. The future is now and forever!
Haha and thanks to you!
Glad to see SNK 40th anniversary collection getting love, it's one of the best compilations in recent memory and it has Crystalis!
I'm going to play it on my Wii to the Trinitron later I think 🤔
That Psycho Soldier song was awesome. Fire! Fire! Psycho Soldierrr!!!! Lol. SNK was way ahead of their time. Singing music in the background was something that you have marveled at, seeing in an arcade machine
Sunday mornings are for a nice cup of coffee and Game Sack! Thanks for still giving us such quality content, Joe! I look forward to it every weekend.
Amen brother
First section of the video is almost a mini history lesson.
Technology grew so rapidly between 1979 and 1986
I'm amazed at how many great ideas for videos you have, even after all these years.
I had no idea that SNK developed Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge!
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Mr. Maj, happy weekends! Can we hope for a new Ultima video anytime soon?
My man
Of course Majuular turns out to be a man of taste...
for sack.
Always the best way to spend my Sunday Mornings! Nothing like a box of Game Sack! Now with extra Joe.
Well it's not a box clown. Quit liking your own comments bozo
That SNK 40th anniversary collection is great. They changed the rotary joystick to dual joystick so they are really great to play on modern systems.
That's awesome, will be getting then ty for the recommendation.
@@RemoWilliams1227Don’t forget to check the dlc as well. They added more games as a free download.
@@Darkbeatdk great advice ty!
Baseball Stars 2 IS the best baseball game ever made. It never left the rotation at my local arcade while it remained open until the early 00's.
5:55 and 6:35
The point in Alpha Mission letters (mostly) is to collect same letters because they are different upgrade "paths" to ship attacks (for example L stands for lasers and M is for Misles) and if you collect different letter, your ship attacks reset to different path, but with least amount of power. In Alpha Mission 2 there is also collectible "words" - these are work in same way - collect 3 same words and you will be given stored power up, that when you use it, you will temporaly transform your ship in more powerful form (that can also withstand several hits before revertind to regular ship). You can keep several of these power ups in storage if you complete collecting same words, but collecting different word before finishing collecting current set is reverts progress to different path. Hope i explained these understandble enouth
ive got the psp eboot port, and while ive played it a bit, its not enough to really get its mechanics.. does picking up the letters act like the number weapons pick ups in Aleste (Power Strike) in that you get a couple seconds of invincibility ? if not that seems like a huge amount of work paying attention to things other than the enemies and their fire for a shooter..
@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z No, in Alpha Mission you're basically collecting parts for a weapon. When you have all parts you can activate it, thus equipping your ship with a temporary but powerful weapon. These are pretty much required to defeat the bosses if you don't want to spend a long time fighting them, some can quickly make short work of the bosses.
@@MagmaMKII in alpha mission 1 or 2? i was talking about 2.. i dont remember that.. ill check it out again..
@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z he is refering to 1.
basically you collect 3 S to upgrade your speed by 1, and the same for Missles (M) and lazers (L). Each of these three can upgrade 2 times. once you got the 2nd upgrade, you collect the relevant K letters to lock in the upgrades. The E is for the energy meter used by the fully collected ship attachments when you equip them (which you need 3 pieces to make a completed attachment, you can only assemble one at a time, but fully assembled attachments are banked so you can use them whenever you need, though they are one time use only, and use up Energy). the other letters do different things, the F opens boxes/explodes them, the R is for a reverse/go back in the stage, W is for Warping/going ahead in the stage (which sucks), P is for an extra ship/life, and avoid C, as it Cancels/removes any ship attachment you are using, so avoid that at all costs. etc. be careful though as when you see reversed letters, you should avoid them, as reversed letters impact you negatively, i.e reverse S slows you down, then you have to collect 3 more normal S to upgrade, reversed E robs you of Energy, etc. I loved Alpha Mission, and play it regularly, but only really get to the 4th area as it is tough. oh and building the shield attachment and using it is a must!
I never played Athena but I immediately recognized that song from her theme in various King of Fighters games.
I first heard the tune in King of Fighters as well! I was blown away a few years later when I found that old-ass game singing to me with that same tune.
@@GameSackDid you hear the version Yuzo Koshiro did for smash bros? It’s a bop!
SNK's sprites could never be beat.
I feel like Capcom was their equal in that era.
SNK/Capcom/Konami with their sprites in the 80’s & 90’s
One thing I have to say about SNK.
I used to live in Japan for about 6 years teaching English, specifically Osaka.
Every student knew about Konami, Capcom, etc...
The second I mentioned SNK, all I got was a blank 'eh?' look.
It's a pity such an iconic Japanese company had zero recognition within its home country, not to mention its home CITY.
Well, SNK was huge in the mid-to-late 90s and had very sharp decline in the early 00s. It was also never as big in Japan as the other companies you mentioned, so depending on when you're experiencing is set, it could be very reasonable for younger people who aren't hardcore gamers to not know about them.
@@MattiaSangiorgi I do understand that.
However seeing as all my students were from Osaka, you'd think they would know this. Especially the over 40s or 50s.
And yeah, some of my students were gamers from that era yet not a single one knew about SNK.
Other factor could be that Konami and Capcom have a huge presence in the games parlour and Pachinko industry over there, whereas SNK had none.
@@ondrejsedlak4935yes, especially since the King of fighters and Samurai Showdown was supposed to be so popular over there.
I heard SNK is particularly popular in Latin America (to this day) for some reason.
@@Mimi.1001 KOF is really popular here, at least.
Oh no the Psycho Soldier song.... I played through that game one. It was burned into my brain for years afterwards since it kept looping.
She'll get you!
And in Vanguard, a tune from Flash Gordon plays when you fly into the thing marked Energy
@@johndd9140 shut up clown
“Anyone remember Kangaroo?” I do, Joe! Loved playing it on my Atari 5200.
Fun Q and A Joe and that first video you made, priceless! A sign of great things to come.
I loved Athena in King of Fighters 96, I could use her spinning attack to roll over entire teams, the other 2 characters just sat there thinking "why did we even bother to come?!?"
Love the Charlie Brown-esque faces of the dying soldiers in Iron Tank on the nes.
@ninjapirate47 you're a bozo
I know Joe doesn't plan these things, but SNK has been doing a lot of announcements at EVO this weekend
That Q&A was peak culture.
I.. Really wish I knew why that Athena song made me tear up
I looked up the entire song from Psycho Soldier and it just actually made me cry like a baby.
🤘🏽Not making a joke of Athenas clothes falling off when starting the game makes it more funnier well done Joe 😂
It's amazing how gracefully the concept of Street Smart has aged
I appreciate you largely covering these in chronological order. It's always cool to hear the tech advance.
I wish SNK would make a sequel, remake, or whatever for Crystalis
I'm not saying this to hurt you, but they actually had originally started plans on a sequel before scrapping it. I wish they would also 😢
@@nanoglitch6693😔
Saying that, I love the original Psycho Soldier song, the English in the game just reminds me of as anime theme in the 90's that gets the Pioneer or DiC entertainment treatment with people singing it in English and it sounds cheesy as heck. 😂
Baseball stars 2 is seriously one of the best baseball games ever I agree with you Joe
Your channel sure isn't the best at anything 😂
@@ramrodbldm9876thanks for your view! I film for myself not for people
@@ramrodbldm9876shoutout to your 6 subscribers!
@@ramrodbldm9876shoutout to your 6 subscribers
@@ramrodbldm9876shoutout to your 6 subscribers!
13:56 I'm more pissed off than when I found out there are no corpses in Blast Corps!
Man.... Joe, I don't know what I'd do without Game Sack. Through hospital stays and operations I've always watched your show for enjoyment. Thank you
Hang in there brother. Get well soon.
Impeccable timing, I was actually playing that 40th Anniversary collection last night
The only time I saw Beast Busters in the arcade was in 92 on family vacation.
I was 12, My cousin ditched me in an amusement park (King's Island, OH) I found the arcade and stayed there...
They had Laser Ghost next to Beast Busters so for years I'd get the two confused.
They also had Knights of the Round next to Golden Axe 2
Went back a few years later at 17, only fighting games like Tekken 3 and Street Fighter 3
Went back as an adult with my ex in 2012, only Gatcha Machines....
That was incredible for a first stop-motion project, especially as a solo experiment!
Moving the camera along with the subject to simulate tracking is painstaking and ambitious, and it worked great!
Thanks for all of the years of sack, I always look forward to each of your videos!
Prehistoric Isle is a gem
It’s like the devs were playing Time Pilot and watching the Twilight Zone both at the same time
Oh my gosh those first few arcade games give me strong sg-1000 vibes lol, i did not expect snk to be that old
As a fan of SNK games I appreciate this episode a lot!
Always enjoy these right before leaving work on Sundays.
Jeremy Parish claims there were plans for Crystalis II for Neo Geo but that they were canceled.
Yeah i have old mags from the era, egm, gamepro, and gamefan all claim its beimg worked on for the neo geo cd (or neo star system) along with magician lord 2.
Too bad those never came to pass along with the additional chapter that was planned for samurai spirits rpg. Id love a metal slug rpg too.
A video of on all of SNK's pre-Neo-Geo games? Let's get it on!
I wonder how high Athena's song would have charted if it was released as a single
Probably only #3 or #2. Pathetic.
The Japanese version was released as a promotional cassette tape. (Khinsider has the download.)
It was released as a single, though
Jeremy Parish uploaded the tape to his channel too I think
Great episode, I love looking back at companies like this and getting a sense of what was going on back then. Great job
Sunday morning isn't Sunday morning without Game Sack.
I was thinking that myself!!!!
SNK developed the Three Stooges on the NES. One of the developers did the voice acting for Culry in the game.
They Live is a spiritual successor of Mutation Nation.
No they didn't, Beam Software developed Three Stooges on Nes and Incredible Technologies made the Amiga original.
One that wasn't mentioned in the video but I like is S.A.R. - SEARCH AND RESCUE (1989), it's like a spiritual successor to Victory Road, a topdown shooter with rotary control, with a science fiction theme and lots of blood and gore. And after Sky Soldiers there was Sky Adventure too, made by the same people a year later.
I know most people don't consider it a very good shmup, but I have fond memories of Sky Soldiers. The time travel gimmick was just so cool. I still boot it up in MAME every once in a while and play it.
I recently watched Sakharu's video of the history of Neo Geo and its first chapter went into what built up to it. So I really liked seeing this early era of SNK being expanded more.
TNK III is the first SNK game I played at my local roller rink back in the day. It had an incredible selection of cabs. Robocop, Operation Wolf, and Pole Position II got much love from me then.
“Ikari Warriors also appeared on the ATARI 2600, and it’s the BEST version! Why play that wimpy NES game when you can play THIS?!”
Two acromyms I loved today: SNK and Q&A
Ikari Warriors Victory Road was an arcade that I never saw once but 1 and 3 were everywhere.
PRE NEO GEO SNK WAS PRETTY NEAT
Great idea for a show. I've been a fan of SNK since playing Vanguard at a diner in the early 80s. We thought it was so cool to hear bits of Queen's Flash Gordon, and the Star Trek music, when you hit the invincibility shield. The gameplay was also fun back then. I would double down on my love for SNK in 1990 when picking up a Neo•Geo Gold System + Baseball Stars and Tiop Player's Golf. After reading about their upcoming system in both EGM and VG&CE mags, I started saving up my money. What a time to be a gamer! Playing arcade games on a home TV was really amazing. Plus they were even more impressive than most other arcade games for their time as well. -Matt
I'll keep asking about Contra Hardcorps until you see the light, Joe! 😌
Hard Corps is the best Contra! 😎
Hi, Dr. Nick!
I liked the Q and A at the end
LMAO. I was not prepared for "total goatse". LMAO
Used to love Ken Griffey Jr Presents Major League Baseball for the snes and didnt find out until years later it was basically just a baseball stars 2 knockoff. Love both of those games still.
Snk rules
wonderful video. not only covering the bases but loopholed in the sequels by neo-geo and ports too.
This video helped me solve a 40 plus year mystery for me regarding an arcade game they had in my local swimming baths in the late 70s or early 80s. My main recollection was that there was a comet which fired a lot of bullets at you once shot. I have trawled through a ton of MAME ROMs trying to find it but couldn't. As soon as your video started and Ozma Wars came on I knew straight away it was the game. I do have the ROM and started it up to make sure and it is black and white. Then I remembered the arcade one had coloured striped on the glass.. Thanks for this, really grateful.
I have many fond memories of Guerrilla War on NES
JOOOOE! Thank you SO MUCH for sharing your stop-motion video! It’s the extra effort that I truly appreciate. You are awesome!
Hello Joe, Steven Spielberg here. Let's cut right to the chase. Your short movie 'A Ride in the Truck' is the best piece of cinema in existence. Considering no one will ever top this piece of art, I'd like for you to have all my Oscars and any future ones I might win. Congraturations Joe. You've earned it!
11pm = Game Sack time
3 am in my country 😂
2pm here
2 am for me
SNK has always been one of those companies that I've always enjoyed, especially how weirdly deep the lore goes. Like how it was mentioned Athena is in KoF (with it being the one from Psycho Solider, who is a reincarnation of the one from Althena) but also the main characters of Ikari Warriors are as well. As far as I'm aware of this mismash of weirdness is canon to each other and I adore it.
Since you mentioned Athena being the same character that later appeared in all KoF games, it's worth pointing out that the main characters from Ikari Warriors are Ralf and Clark from KoF's Ikari team, and who would later also appear in Metal Slug 6 onwards. Anyways, great episode!
You need to win an oscar for that stop motion video.
3:19 Incidental music from the movie Flash, by Queen. So that’s at least two franchises borrowed from in this game.
The singing part in Psycho Soldier is hilarious! Makes me wanna play it right now!
I have fond memories of Ikari Warriors and Iron Tank, but Baseball Stars was my early SNK jam. The team building stuff made it insanely replayable, solo and multiplayer.
In the first Vanguard the tune when you pick up Energy sounds like its from the Flash Gordon movie from the 70s.
Guerrilla War was one of my favorite games released by SNK in the NES era. Hands down that was one of the best over head run and gun games, especially for 2 player action.
I love the fact you still have that 1992 stop motion animation!
A new Gamesack is always welcome. Hope both you and Dave have had a great summer.
Got to love those classics Chopper 1: I Chopper and Chopper 2: Get to the Chopper
Todd bless you Joe
you mean god
No I didn't....
@@addyproductions56 no.. i meant Todd
@@thisisnotachannel different Todd
@@MiguelPaulettePerez-bj8ml Todd Howard?
Iron Tank and Guerrilla War were absolute BANGERS on the NES!
One of my favorite things to do is fall asleep while watching Game Sack. And then I get to have funky weird dreams where I'm hanging out with Dave and Joe. Sometimes they're at my house and sometimes I'm at "their" house. It's totally weird and please don't slap a restraining order on me, Joe!
lol that's cute
Do you show them your MEGA POWER?
I tried this too but just had a nightmare where I got fondled by Bob Cornhole and metal Jesus.
when I'm asleep I'm in yoko mode, then I wake up stand up and I'm suddenly TATE MODE !!!
Just dont try taking off with Snatcher ...or popping in Greendog for a play and I'm sure you'll be fine ;-)
That Trekkie zinger got me ... had to triple take there! LoL
Please never change, Joe ☆☆☆
Man I forgot how many great games SNK had both for the arcade and home systems(outside of neogeo). Tank and Ikari warriors were great and at the time I even liked the nes versions. Athena for nes I liked, and of course Crystalis is probably my favorite action rpg on the nes(zelda 1 does not have exp points!).
street smart was my intro to snk back in the day in the arcades. i knew of um in the nes realm too. fun fact...the tune from this game is in the first fatal fury
Street Fighter 6 is the game I've had the most fun with for the past year as well. I normally have zero interest in competitive gaming, but I got so deep into this game that I now have three characters in master rank. Not bad for a 40 year-old.
I love you Phil, Dspgaming is the best
I was at the Arcade later today, and I got to play Mechanized Attack and Beast Busters. Best day at the arcade later today I have ever had.
Dark Arms for Neo Geo Pocket Color is in the vol.1 collection, which is real cheap usually for Switch and Playstation. In case anyone was wondering.
Thank you so much for the video Game Sack! I was having a really crappy week and this little distraction brought me joy!
Beast Busters was included as a free download along with a few other included games on the SNK 40th Anniversary Collection.
Well that's just great. Now I miss both arcades; AND having a local 711. Damn you Joe!!
I was literally watching an SNK history video last night and to see this today is like fate
At 3:18, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the start of the Hawkmen Battle Theme from the Flash Gordon movie?
According to tradition, I am eating while watching Gamesack. I am eating 100% straight avacado. Just spoon that from the peel....
Alpha Mission is a great game. The letters represents power ups.
S = speed
M = missile
L = Laser
Etc
And most importantly: E = energy.
With that, you can choose a great variety of ships!
It’s awesome.
Failed to mention that the Gameboy version of Crystalis is unbeatable due to a bug that prevents the final boss from showing up in its room.
Crystalis is super underrated, a fantastic Zelda clone. A shame we never got a sequel.
Alpha Denshi also contributed to the development of the Neo Geo hardware, the 68000 based Alpha Denshi games used an earlier more primitive version of the "strip" graphics hardware that the Neo Geo would eventually use. Basically everything on screen is made up of strips that are 16 pixels wide and up to 512 pixels tall (on the Neo Geo) There are no tiles or pallets just strips and a block of color registers that the pixel values reference like how color on a VGA card works (in the case of the Neo Geo 4096 16-bit color registers and 12 bits per pixel)
Vanguard was one of my all time favs because of that music.
Crystalis was my Zelda. Wish we would have gotten a sequel.