What is the Military 1/3 - 2/3 Rule?

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  • Let’s talk about a tool that the Special Operations community and US Military use to ensure that subordinates have plenty of time to prepare for and plan for upcoming missions … it is called the one third - two thirds rule. In this video we will take a look at what the 1/3 - 2/3 rule is, how it integrates into the military planning process and training methodology, and then I’ll give you a military and a business example.
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Комментарии • 740

  • @johnmcallister7376
    @johnmcallister7376 Год назад +1023

    Just retired as an Infantry Squad Leader in Army National Guard units. Have also been working over two decades as a construction safety guy. I’ve found myself trying to explain this concept to crews I work with to relay how important it is for them to plan things out rather than “flying by the seat of your pants”. Some get it, others don’t.

    • @Thelivingone-ez1gw
      @Thelivingone-ez1gw 11 месяцев назад +6

      Get the hell out

    • @SnowTiger45
      @SnowTiger45 11 месяцев назад +18

      That's why there are a few Chiefs and a bunch of pee-ons.

    • @Thelivingone-ez1gw
      @Thelivingone-ez1gw 11 месяцев назад

      @@SnowTiger45 no it's you all so clueless about what stand for might as well lie down can't even fake Americans anymore disgrace to truth freedom and justice . Clueless about what protects freedom and justice exactly your job as we the people

    • @Thelivingone-ez1gw
      @Thelivingone-ez1gw 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@SnowTiger45 all you know about this country is the name and free speech and right to bare arms clueless why . I kept my to trust in God no politicians to tell the truth and do there jobs we make them is exactly are jobs as we the people . We understand exactly how to find truth and make politicians tell the truth and do there jobs they represent we the people best be doing what we put them in to do we police government watching the unbais unopinionated fact checked news seeing all close to one story are they or aren't they doing what we put them in to do. Then we form a bios and opinion and vote or why bother voting . Is unbelievable fake Americans can't even fake Americans anymore clueless about what vote for and what protects freedom and justice exactly your job and duty as we the people

    • @Thelivingone-ez1gw
      @Thelivingone-ez1gw 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@SnowTiger45 have this country away they never needed to fire a shoot

  • @brindlebucker4741
    @brindlebucker4741 Год назад +208

    This is such a simple thing, but hearing you lay it out, this is now something I can apply for the rest of my life. Good instruction! Blue Spaders!

  • @mantia39
    @mantia39 11 месяцев назад +91

    Being a Chef,this type of planning is almost a daily occurrence. Weekly menus for incoming banquets can be set,and in an instant something is changed,added or dropped completely. When I find out about the changes,my Sous Chefs are notified immediately so they can adjust and make the necessary reforms to be successful.

    • @riccardosantisi
      @riccardosantisi 11 месяцев назад +3

      As a chef myself i can totally relate to your approach. I absolutely hate it, when a higher up comes in and give changes to the team the last minute. It’s always obnoxious and exhausting to deal with such late guys.

    • @Naughtforeye
      @Naughtforeye 11 месяцев назад +1

      I was trained by a wonderful chef when I was in the food industry, he called it "mise en place" which roughly translates as " to set up" in English. Meaning before the dinner rush set up everything you need, plus some and put in place where you know it will be when your scrambling your azz off when some sends back a turf and surf where the steak needs to be well done lol.

    • @TheRealSykx
      @TheRealSykx 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Naughtforeye it should be illegal to cook a steak well done

    • @Naughtforeye
      @Naughtforeye 11 месяцев назад

      @@TheRealSykx I'm 💯% with you on that one lol!

    • @rbarnes4076
      @rbarnes4076 11 месяцев назад

      It is similar in software. I've managed a lot over the years and the good managers aren't very numerous, but they use these types of techniques to keep chaos to a minimum. I've lost count of how many warnos I've issued over the years. The heads up is the most important message you can give, and it takes just a few minutes to do.

  • @jamesawtrey2644
    @jamesawtrey2644 11 месяцев назад +22

    Good HQ vs Bad HQ is dead nuts on. Nobody ever called me an Operator but most my career was in Tactical Com. The best higher echelon commanders gave us time to plan. I’ve tried to bring that with me into civilian life for my teams. I may still hate having to decide what to wear everyday but I love that I can bring the biggest part of my life to this after party. Thank Brother and Sisters in Arms!

    • @Negniwret
      @Negniwret 11 месяцев назад +1

      that clothes issue seems quite easy to fix. Why not go for a capsule wardrobe and pick things at random?

  • @R12gsa09
    @R12gsa09 Год назад +76

    Excellent explanation and suggestion. I’ve been using 1/3-2/3 rule in my civilian life even after the Army as Program Manager. It is a principle of great importance and a quick “gut feeling” Lehman check in project management especially laying out complex Gantt Charts and establishing critical path of the project. In essence, starting from the overall project timeline and driving down to each work package breakdown, it should be evident at any point that 1/3 should be given to the top activities and parts of the Bill of Material, and 2/3 for the remaining activities and children parts.

  • @h.h.1266
    @h.h.1266 Год назад +19

    We just call it a ‘heads up’ - nothing fancy about it. For example, “Hey - heads up, this is the feedback we’re getting from the field - we’re making plans on how to pivot and will share ASAP, meanwhile do what you need to do to get ready”

  • @dondouglass6415
    @dondouglass6415 11 месяцев назад +27

    I am an ex Brit squaddie and find this so true. I went onto work in TV and film and I just wish this philosophy was used in that arena. 😮

  • @xdisruptor6630
    @xdisruptor6630 11 месяцев назад +288

    As an engineer I can confidently say this is life-saving advice for business in high tech industry.

  • @koori3085
    @koori3085 Год назад +21

    It's very effective in civi life also. Especially having former Marine and Army bosses that tell ya what's expected as soon as they find out from above. Give the guy on the ground the most time to plan, prep, and prosecute. Thanks for the time man!

  • @LarryGraham7
    @LarryGraham7 Год назад +263

    Well done, most civilians don't understand how effective Military planning is, they've been poisoned by Hollywood. You can modify this methodology to fit business, and personal life with ease, and reap the benefits. Thank you for posting, cheers.

    • @guyh.4553
      @guyh.4553 11 месяцев назад +16

      And then they wonder why military personnel are so effective in the civilian world...

    • @BringerOfD
      @BringerOfD 11 месяцев назад +22

      We may be idiots, but we're well organized and coordinated idiots!

    • @jtfike
      @jtfike 11 месяцев назад +9

      yeah we saw it in action with the evacuation of Afghanistan....

    • @antoniodelaugger9236
      @antoniodelaugger9236 11 месяцев назад +13

      @@jtfike oh yeah I'm sure the civilians would have done a better job evacuating

    • @SendarSlayer
      @SendarSlayer 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@antoniodelaugger9236 I mean most of the PMCs got out with all their equipment.

  • @richardharrold4357
    @richardharrold4357 Год назад +3

    About time someone is thinking about the people who actually perform the job. The 'Warno' in the case of a mission on a short fuse is good also. Basically, that's a 'Stand-by to stand-by'.

  • @hansholck5982
    @hansholck5982 Год назад +8

    Working in Supply Chain Managenment, the 1/3 2/3 rule makes SO much sense, as it create a timeframe where there is time for "operations" to reach out to apropriate stakeholders and coordinate and clear issues, in order to make the giving plan a succes or time to raise flags :) I love it :D

  • @luizfelipemachado4700
    @luizfelipemachado4700 11 месяцев назад +21

    I cant believe it took me years to find this channel. This is sooo useful in engineering projects. Great job guys 👍🏻

  • @suroot
    @suroot 11 месяцев назад +3

    In my life, when dealing with others and engaged in situations of trust, those who are affected by me or my decision will be made aware within the hour of awareness about emerging challenge before it becomes a problem so that whatever research or decision that needs to be made can go live to avoid the worse possible outcome and to give trust the best possible chance for survival.

  • @TopRapter
    @TopRapter 11 месяцев назад +2

    When I get a heads up sometimes weeks in advance of just a single sentence "we might have a job coming in from this company in this location" I spend the first few days preparing everything and when it's time to pull the trigger, work that would take 8 hours and still come out half arsed is done in minutes. Thank you for rationalizing and verbalizing this phenomenon!

  • @MartianGod1968
    @MartianGod1968 Год назад +6

    A friend taught me this format . Part of Force multiplying concept. Works amazing for remodel contracting,

  • @ickster23
    @ickster23 Год назад +6

    Ive actually seen the OPORD finally approved after the mission was completed. We sailed the task force under the draft OPORD.

  • @manofaction1807
    @manofaction1807 Год назад +1

    Meticulous Planning, and Continuous assessment of it, always be ready to adjust to the situation, and plan it loose enough to afford to reactions to on the ground developments.
    NEVER fall in love with the product.

  • @Ironfrenzy217
    @Ironfrenzy217 11 месяцев назад +1

    I did a similar thing the last time I taught my youth group. I requested the worship music 2 days prior to when it was needed and requested a friend who also helped out to format and present that evening. It went well.

  • @GoFigure1
    @GoFigure1 11 месяцев назад +1

    In the Army Infantry, we taught a five step problem solving process that involved only small unit-derived solutions on the fly. Gather info in the time you have available. Define the problem. Form several plans of action. Select the best plan. Execute. It leaves you with multiple backup plans.

  • @TROOPERfarcry
    @TROOPERfarcry 11 месяцев назад +2

    I must've been in a different military, because the overwhelming majority of _ANYTHING_ was "It's 1530 on Friday... could you do this thing before you leave that could've been done on Tuesday but we didn't tell you? Thanks."

  • @justafloridamanfromthe75thRR
    @justafloridamanfromthe75thRR Год назад +7

    in MDMP the 1/3 - 2/3 rule is about planning vs rehearsal, one third of the time goes into developing and finalizing the plan for the mission, and two thirds go into rehearsing it before execution.

  • @A5JDZK
    @A5JDZK Год назад +2

    We used to call this priorities of work, warning order, and an operation order.

  • @stephenyoung3909
    @stephenyoung3909 11 месяцев назад +3

    As a mech Infantry Section Leader, 1:3 is used all the time. No one said you can refine the plan once the plan is in place. One thing to touch on; MDMP(Military Decision Making Process) is at BN-level and higher, TLPs(Troop Leading Procedures) is for small unit leaders CO-lever and smaller. Essentially the same thing, just different terminology.

  • @alexserdeliuc8782
    @alexserdeliuc8782 Год назад +5

    Best leaders plan with subordinates. The high brass and politicians might give the objective but, those expected to execute the mission, plan the mission. High ranking leaders are rarely intimate with exact abilities of a given group.

  • @Gottaculat
    @Gottaculat 11 месяцев назад +19

    My dad has been operating like this for decades. He'd always give us a heads up on any changes that will be made, be it doctor appointments, Boy Scout trips, road trips, etc. It works really well for my brother and I, because we're the kind of people who can do stuff short notice, so giving us advanced notice lets us get our plans in order way, way out from the point they go into effect. Funny enough, my dad is terrible with short notice plans, which is probably why he is all about that advanced notice. Could also be something he picked up from his combat tour in the Vietnam War.
    Another thing he taught us that he adopted from his time in the military is to fix things before they break, especially when it comes to cars. I, too, have adopted this, and I get my car serviced before it needs servicing. There is a point of diminishing returns, of course, where it becomes financially wasteful, so there is some discretion there. I also do this with my firearms, replacing common failure points before they can fail, such as the extractor, bolt, or a recoil spring. I hold onto those parts, because they are still serviceable, should I no longer be able to procure parts. It's just that while parts are available, might as well replace them early.

    • @lntrlp4936
      @lntrlp4936 11 месяцев назад +2

      If it ain't broke, then don't fix it.

    • @H410M45T3R
      @H410M45T3R 10 месяцев назад

      The military fixing things before they break? Dude they won't even fix decades old equipment let alone fix what isn't broken. What universe are you living in?

    • @aurelianspodarec2629
      @aurelianspodarec2629 10 месяцев назад

      @@lntrlp4936 You should improve

    • @aurelianspodarec2629
      @aurelianspodarec2629 10 месяцев назад

      That's a really good method. Instead of being caught in fire, with a broken car... you fix the issue beforeit occurs. The Intrlp4936 is horrible advice...
      Although it applies to circumstances. Its mot contextual, but being proactive doesn't hurt.

  • @ThejaVT
    @ThejaVT 11 месяцев назад +1

    I may not be military, but I respect a lot of the training and discipline regimens that the military employs, especially with organization. Thank you for this breakdown.

  • @MrAnimal1971
    @MrAnimal1971 11 месяцев назад +3

    I immediately subscribed once I knew what this was about. I've been looking for a different way to think about problem solving and your channel fits that bill. Thank you for sharing these concepts.

  • @VooDoo11713
    @VooDoo11713 Год назад +8

    Loving all your content! I think a really good video would be how to interview/board. Not a lot of people know how to be confident in interview settings. This skill can be applied to military boards, civilian job, interviews, and even a first date.

  • @Kartrampage
    @Kartrampage 11 месяцев назад +1

    The 1/3 2/3 rule makes the entire process much more efficient. Even in civil industry, this helps to avoid information and implementation backlogs. Many greetings from Germany.

  • @LangRieper
    @LangRieper 11 месяцев назад +1

    As a restaurant manager i always use this rule to communicate large orders with my crew when received and supply problems with my superiors. Some of my superiors use the rule when they can and some don't you might be able to guess which of my superiors where in the military. I have not been but most of my family was and this was how I was taught to do things. It's just the right way to do things. thanks for the video.

  • @FossilStudios316
    @FossilStudios316 11 месяцев назад +1

    I’m in a band called War On Gravity. I’m sending this to my band mates!

  • @McGuyveracity
    @McGuyveracity 11 месяцев назад +2

    As an engineer working on projects with deadlines, I learned long ago that we always have to be mindful of long lead and downstream operations, to insure that the project is completed on time. Our complaint has been that planning gives all the time to other parts of the work flow, and not enough for engineering activities.

  • @Kesen2003
    @Kesen2003 Год назад +3

    I'm going to 1/3 - 2/3 my sleep schedule. I'm going to tell my boss I need 16 hours to plan and prepare my sleep schedule and then take about 8 hours to execute it.

  • @LucianLacroix
    @LucianLacroix 11 месяцев назад +1

    This needs to be shown before every field training.

  • @phyrr2
    @phyrr2 11 месяцев назад +2

    From a non-military perspective, this really fits. I've worked at very smart corporations for many years that always planned ahead and allowed time for the peons to plan and implement. I subsequently went to several companies that always pulled things last minute. The ridiculous thing is everyone at these last minute companies KNOWS it's horrible if they're a peon. But all of the executives and owners follow the last-minute rules. All to their detriment.
    They forget that when you don't give your peons time to implement, they don't have time to identify (and therefore, avoid) pitfalls, missed opportunities, last minute tweaking, etc. When every item is "hot", it allows zero time for planning ahead and actually all but prevents doing so. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once everyone puts out the fires, they sit back and relax instead of using that post-time to start planning ahead immediately.
    They also forget that when you constantly rush things, people's attention can no longer reach a decent level of focus. Focus for serious problems which require serious consideration. The egos and the greed just expect things to "get done" - which they do. But they're not privy (or rather, REFUSE to be) to the shortcomings of constantly being in this state.
    Working at the software company was the intelligent place to work. Working at places like small businesses that are short-staffed or especially, tribal casinos, was all putting out fires. The first retains talent through encouragement, valuing input, planning ahead, etc. The others CAN'T retain talent, have constant turnover, lose hereditary knowledge that way and are constantly short-sighted and end up in an unending vicious cycle which results in only being able to put out MEDIOCRE results. Never evaluating how investing in the long game can increase profits tremendously. When you're culture is all about appeasing your bosses because they want "now" 24/7, you fail miserably. It's a trap for most Big Business and it comes from poor director selection that are more focused on egos than actual profit.
    Business will tout they want to analyze everything for profitability. But the things they REFUSE to analyze are most things related to employees and how they function. Morale, intelligent placement, reinforcing strengths vs. shoring up weakness (on a scale from 1 - 10, get an employee's 6's and 7's to 8's and 9's, don't get their 3's and 's to mediocre 5's). It's the ultimate "ME!" focus Big Business has been about and more so as time continues.

    • @666Hastur
      @666Hastur 11 месяцев назад

      Yes, "HOT" lol - My response: If everything's hot, nothing is.. or This one was hot first.

  • @ScottRKrol
    @ScottRKrol 11 месяцев назад +1

    Where I work upper management doesn't have the words 'planning' or 'proactive' in their lexicon. Instead, you get sent an email that has gone through twenty people already and asked why you haven't solved the issue buried someplace in that email and it needs to be done immediately so we're in compliance.

  • @patrickhowell9460
    @patrickhowell9460 11 месяцев назад +1

    This seems common sense logic as a leader of an organization i find it very logical to do this strategy, i learned from last min execution mistakes in the past. Solid communication

  • @actionjksn
    @actionjksn Год назад +2

    In the business example, it's possible that the production people may even have some ideas to help correct the problem. Even if they are not masterminding it they may have some valuable input from their experience in the manufacturing. Even if they don't they still should have some heads up.

  • @Bemklie
    @Bemklie 11 месяцев назад

    I really Appreciate these Videos Sir, I'm in BLC right now and they are Helping Me out alot

  • @turbopowergt
    @turbopowergt Год назад +1

    I must have picked this up when I was in the Navy in the 90s and maybe it wasn’t called that then. But I use this principle all the time in the civilian world. As soon as a I hear something coming down the road I check to see it’s timeline and when it looks like it’s going to turn into a real project I tell my team about it. We then make space for planning and clear other work. My team does organizational change management so we look at what will be necessary for training, process documentation, etc. It keeps my team on a more even keel, and people wonder why it appears we can do everything.
    It’s not magic, we just start the work when we have just enough information to get going.

  • @Aussie038
    @Aussie038 10 месяцев назад +1

    You are talking about a very dedicated team. In most cases in the work place if you mention a change people will question and resist it.

  • @SurfingBullDog
    @SurfingBullDog 11 месяцев назад +1

    As an as an infantry officer, I did a lot of mission planning in both training and combat. I always stuck by the 1/3-2/3 rule religiously. As soon as 1/3 of my planning time was reached, I would brief my subordinates (even earlier, if I could). No matter how unfinished I thought my plan was, I would still brief. Your subordinates are smart, and they can fill in the missing pieces. They would much more appreciate getting the big picture sooner than getting the “perfect plan”with all the little details later.
    While your subordinates start their own planning cycle, you can work to complete your plan and refill them in a FRAGO later.

  • @tonyvee8181
    @tonyvee8181 11 месяцев назад +2

    As a retired combat veteran the use of the 1/3 is part of my life .

    • @UPPERKEES
      @UPPERKEES 11 месяцев назад

      Any examples?

  • @Gumdropnipples
    @Gumdropnipples 11 месяцев назад +175

    Interesting. Never encountered this in the marines. Instead we got the deadline, 15 minutes prior, plus 15 minutes earlier for everyone passing the deadline down to the next rank. So if lt. Colonel says 0730, pfc shows up at 0430.

    • @Pichouette
      @Pichouette 11 месяцев назад +26

      I was an 0311, then joined Army National Guard & retired in 2006. I was initially taught this in the Marines. Did it usually happen? No. Just like the book by S.L.A. Marshall, "The Soldiers Load and the Mobility of a Nation". Many leaders highly recommended reading it, but practically no one ever followed it.

    • @PeterAngles-jq7gr
      @PeterAngles-jq7gr 11 месяцев назад +38

      Get on the tarmac for a 0830 jump at 0330, sit there until 0900, scrub the jump
      The army way

    • @StrifeA217
      @StrifeA217 11 месяцев назад +16

      Dude this literally happened to an extreme for a BN hike. We showed up at 0230 for a 0800 step off time. Then our fearless leader got us lost in the hills behind 22 aria. It was a great day. The lack of sleep sucked but the hike was just whatever, just a lot of walking and watching marines cry about it. I had fun, I found the dirtbag marine who filled his Camelback with jack and coke. Lol

    • @Gumdropnipples
      @Gumdropnipples 11 месяцев назад +13

      @StrifeA217 hey man not cool, you said you weren't going to tell anyone about the camelback.

    • @PeterAngles-jq7gr
      @PeterAngles-jq7gr 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@StrifeA217 I was always cranberry, vodka, and ice in mine

  • @justinharmon8082
    @justinharmon8082 8 месяцев назад

    As a Green Beret veteran and private small business owner it is imperative to enable leadership on the ground to make decisions and support them continually. Ground truth is powerful and small group leaders should be empowered to the greatest extent possible

  • @ParadiseBubba
    @ParadiseBubba 9 месяцев назад

    I use this daily in operations management. It just works!!

  • @dj012001
    @dj012001 Год назад +2

    Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom.

  • @thomasryan1289
    @thomasryan1289 11 месяцев назад +2

    "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy." Every brother and sister in arms understand this.

  • @navegandolejanooriente6268
    @navegandolejanooriente6268 11 месяцев назад +1

    you need to give this leadership tip to Military Sealift Command and US Naval Logistics as a whole.

  • @robertvanderbaan3722
    @robertvanderbaan3722 11 месяцев назад

    I have used the heads-up warning in all positions I had. I created great trust and often, solutions were planned and implemented without significant planning.

  • @jw5297
    @jw5297 Год назад +18

    This is actually why SF and CIA shouldve been left to deal with Afghanistan and the Taliban. Once big ARMY gets involved, there is way too much of this issue, we spent hours trying to get through an op because upper HQ was making changes to our routes, and objective able to work

    • @seanbigay1042
      @seanbigay1042 Год назад +6

      I was going to answer you with something about how too many cooks spoil the broth, but thinking that way reminded me of one famous instance where a company simply issued a kind of WARNO to a small bunch of smart cooks and then simply left them to come up with their own plan to get the job done.
      I'm thinking of Lockheed's Skunk Works. Time and again they've been asked to build aircraft that pushed the limits of the state of the art, and time and again they produced aircraft that (a) looked like nothing else in God's blue heaven and (b) pushed the bleeding edge of the state of the art as far as it would go.

    • @PeterAngles-jq7gr
      @PeterAngles-jq7gr 11 месяцев назад +1

      You're not wrong

  • @brairag5744
    @brairag5744 10 месяцев назад

    I actually had a wonderful opportunity to talk about this rule and mentality at a panel for veterans employed at my workplace and how skills and talents developed in the military can be applied to the civilian workplace.

  • @brushylake4606
    @brushylake4606 11 месяцев назад +8

    To paraphrase Gen. Patton: "A good plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

    • @Agent_13
      @Agent_13 11 месяцев назад +2

      Taking that quote down in my book, thanks🫡
      The actual quote was: “A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.” So you were right on the money with that one, he had a lot of good quotes

    • @brushylake4606
      @brushylake4606 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Agent_13 Yeah, but with RUclips's rules, I didn't want to use the word "violently"...you know how sensitive these guys are.

  • @drjohn5801
    @drjohn5801 11 месяцев назад +1

    We use this planning methodology in formulating strategies to troubleshoot chronic aircraft system problems. Advance 1/3 warning to the downstream team members enables them to be ready ahead of the game... creates cohesive smooth plans and execution every time. As opposed to plan plan plan - go! Where the execution bec9mes a crap shoot.

  • @dcstreet5037
    @dcstreet5037 11 месяцев назад +1

    As I was watching this it also occurred to me that giving your subordinates time to plan also allows time for people closer to the more granular details to find and flag issues that someone higher in the chain may not have thought of. Not sure if that's part of the logic but especially in a business context, for example the production employees might be able to point out that some part of management's plan is impractical if they have enough time, where if it gets dropped on them at the last minute there's no opportunity for them to provide input.

  • @JesusFirst12
    @JesusFirst12 11 месяцев назад +1

    I’m definitely trying this method with my next family vacation. Teenagers are a squirrelly bunch. SF.

  • @jeeves9233
    @jeeves9233 10 месяцев назад

    I second this.
    - Senior Sergeant in the Norwegian Army.

  • @rickdunn3883
    @rickdunn3883 10 месяцев назад

    Nice job with the business example.

  • @Zuke89
    @Zuke89 11 месяцев назад

    In the Marines what I did was keep my ear to the ground, that allowed me to get ready before HQ says anything.

  • @Whisper555
    @Whisper555 11 месяцев назад

    Every damn manager and boss needs to see this video.

  • @hifinsword
    @hifinsword 11 месяцев назад +1

    This sounds like the difference between a top down and bottoms up approach to any organization.

  • @robbentodd6824
    @robbentodd6824 Год назад +2

    Alright. A little late to the party. I’ve experienced this. I was a crew member on a mishap aircraft. Information that would have been crucial to the prevention of extensive damage to a DoD asset would have been prevented if the information would have been properly distributed according to guidance. Also, the mishap aircraft was defiled before investigators arrived. Proper understanding and appliance of regulations is very important for mission success.

  • @TheMrMused
    @TheMrMused 11 месяцев назад +1

    ..and this is why many layers of middle management in a corporation is a setup for failure. That 2/3rds keeps getting sliced finer and finer at each management layer.

  • @sfckrbec
    @sfckrbec 11 месяцев назад +2

    On a field exercise I had the privilege to work with an awesome infantry officer who was stuck working with a bunch of POG's. He was injured and had to work with us at the Division ACP. It was scut work but he constantly improved how we worked. I finally asked him why he was working so hard and he said that in the infantry they always work to improve their position. That was a life lesson for me. I took that to heart, no matter where I was in life I always worked to improve my position. In work, at home, financially, I always worked to improve my position and my ability to provide for mine. I wish I remembered the name of that young Captain, he taught me a lesson that has allowed me to be successful throughout my life.

  • @MJ19438
    @MJ19438 11 месяцев назад +2

    My two cents is that in the business world there are more considerations given to how things 'look'. Too many folks - and I've seen firsthand how career ambitions and politicking got in the way of doing the right thing the 1st time - use the time on some combination of A) Hoping the problem/issue/thing just goes away if they do nothing and/or B) Trying to identify someone they can blame if things don't go as planned while still taking credit if it goes right

    • @llywrch7116
      @llywrch7116 11 месяцев назад +1

      When I encountered the business world example, I had to laugh. When management discovers a flaw in a product, the most common response is to deny & cover-up. Only when the customers have discovered the flaw, & are angry about it, only then is anything done -- & it's expected to be fixed yesterday.

  • @cmcer1995
    @cmcer1995 11 месяцев назад

    Words of Wisdom from somebody that has been there and been through it using a method that has been proven and not using an effective method. Great advise!

  • @l32barney
    @l32barney 11 месяцев назад

    I am nay firefighter. We never get notice ahead of time. Every fire is different. We just adapt and overcome.

  • @BillyKueekSG
    @BillyKueekSG 11 месяцев назад

    I was an Armor GPMG Gunner in the Armor Unit for 2 years, followed by Reserved/Operationally Ready GPMG Gunner Coastal Defense in an Infantry Brigade for 10 years. Always felt lost, unsure of what is the objective, the plan and was just told to follow orders but I don’t know head from tail. Our Commanders had their meetings, then always rushing us but didn’t give us the big picture nor share their plans. Fortunately, I know how to use my own head and think!

  • @RogueIslander401
    @RogueIslander401 11 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome advice!

  • @mariocorvite5678
    @mariocorvite5678 9 месяцев назад

    I like it! This is very helpful. Gives me different way of doing things at work.

  • @elliottre5019
    @elliottre5019 11 месяцев назад

    It is easier to describe when this rule wasn't used. Especially in manufacturing environments. It is usually no notification, and it needs to be done yesterday. The result is a lot of overtime getting the job done and chaos.

  • @57thorns
    @57thorns 10 месяцев назад

    In SW development, the 1/3-2/3 rule is as follows:
    You will be asked to do something in a third of the time it takes to do it, and 2/3 of the requirements will change after the dead line has passed.

  • @paleamigo8575
    @paleamigo8575 11 месяцев назад

    That's a great rule. I often use something similar but not as specific called "Treat people how you would like to be treated. No one likes last-minute BS when there was ample time to give them a heads up.

  • @disdroid
    @disdroid 8 месяцев назад

    In the field it's catch 22 - we can either gather intel, or act on prior intelligence that may be out of date. Very rarely can we achieve both simultaneously.

  • @samhavoc1066
    @samhavoc1066 11 месяцев назад

    All military planning is locked into the time available before execution is required. Deliberate operations with out a timeline for completion allows plenty of time to prepare at all levels. Time sensitive operations often does not have sufficient time for any level to fully prepare; you work with what you've got. A good plan now is better than a perfect plan too late.

  • @andyman8630
    @andyman8630 Год назад +2

    1/3rd of the time my wife will actually tell me why she's not OK - 2/3rds of the time i have to work it out for myself

  • @diytwoincollege7079
    @diytwoincollege7079 11 месяцев назад

    Can’t tell you how many meetings I have attended where some problem was announced and an immediate solution was expected in the meeting. Worst management ever. The Boss always said that we should have known about the issue from the time it happened so we didn’t need time to prepare. Guess where I don’t work anymore.

  • @davidblackman1586
    @davidblackman1586 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your examples are all over the place.

  • @aljonserna5598
    @aljonserna5598 11 месяцев назад

    Basically what Jocko Willink had said about good leadership, it's not just top down but each leader asks their subordinates about the plan to plan out

  • @lokischildren8714
    @lokischildren8714 Год назад +2

    Its used in the British military too

  • @williamgichukiguillermo
    @williamgichukiguillermo 11 месяцев назад

    Very informative video thanks for the video It applies in real life situations as well as the business world.

  • @donnywb
    @donnywb 11 месяцев назад

    Love it, brother. Thanks for sharing. This makes a difference.

  • @soup31314
    @soup31314 Год назад +1

    In my 13 years in the United States Army infantry, the one 3rd to 3rd rule as taught here is completely backwards.
    In real world planner should have 1/3 of the time, operator should have 2/3 of the time .
    But what really happens is his planner sit there and tweak this and tweak that take 2/3 of the time to make this amazing awesome plan it doesn’t survive first contact and you have a bunch of operators/soldiers trying to figure out in 1/3 of the time how to do shit

  • @christopherapel1712
    @christopherapel1712 11 месяцев назад

    I recently retired , after forty years employment at the same company .
    I won't speak to management 's planning for corporate changes , but...
    If I had a dollar for every time I found out about a change ,
    When one of my customers questioned the change in his service ,
    I could treat my family of four to surf and turf at the best restaurant in town .

  • @skilful1
    @skilful1 11 месяцев назад

    This was well worth my time.

  • @kakerake6018
    @kakerake6018 10 месяцев назад

    this sounds great. i usually charge headfirst into whatever i'm doing no plan all leroy jenkins, goes well most of the time. though when i run into situations that require planning or practice it goes hilariously bad for me.

  • @timd7709
    @timd7709 10 месяцев назад

    Danish military also works like this. Give a warno as early as possible to leave the most amount of time for work/planning at all levels.

  • @richarddepledge960
    @richarddepledge960 Год назад +2

    Spot on. Wish civilian life and management would apply this. The brits call this the 6ps. Prior prep and plan prevent piss poor performance.

    • @Gerle71
      @Gerle71 Год назад +2

      Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

  • @jaybot7813
    @jaybot7813 8 месяцев назад

    That's awesome information!!!! Thanks guy!!!!👍👍👍

  • @brianduffy4682
    @brianduffy4682 11 месяцев назад

    quite helpful and concise. I will be able to use this tomorrow at work. Warno!!!

  • @massimo8408
    @massimo8408 11 месяцев назад

    This is such a good approach!

  • @TheBadacz
    @TheBadacz Год назад +3

    Follow 1/3...2/3 rules since left SOF long time ago .Applying in my work and most of the time in my Family operations

  • @michaelm7
    @michaelm7 Год назад +1

    How do you handle when the subordinates using two thirds of the time make and prepare a plan of action that is different and or incompatible with the plan that is made by you or headquarters? Sharing the objective is not the same as sharing the plan of action. The plan of action can be planned for many different ways, a conflict often occurs when two different parties one having the access to the overall big picture, and one not having that overview prepare the details of a general action separately.

    • @jonmclaughlin4128
      @jonmclaughlin4128 11 месяцев назад

      If your subordinates can achieve the desired outcome(a hostage rescue or an excel spreadsheet) what does it matter how they achieved it? It sounds like you like to over-plan and micro-manage. Sure, the upper management can add input and suggestions and can even be fairly stern at times out how to get to the end but if the VP is dictating individual steps then that person is probably not a very good vice president or you are in one _VERY_ flat hierarchy.

  • @stf5876
    @stf5876 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this rule I didn't know. Makes perfect sense.

  • @logans3365
    @logans3365 11 месяцев назад

    Stuff like this should be taught in school

  • @fulltimenpc
    @fulltimenpc 10 месяцев назад

    Can you do a video on how militaries or intelligence agents consume information fast? It can help students that are watching your videos.😊

  • @DeputatKaktus
    @DeputatKaktus 11 месяцев назад

    I can see how this would benefit many people as well as businesses. And sometimes higher ups need a gentle reminder that life in the the trenches is different from what they think up in their cozy ivory towers. And that some of the gems they think up from time to time have pretty severe knock-on effects that might come back to bite them. Like, a piece of media that needs printing. Everything has been run by the bossman and greenlit. Everyone is happy. And then, a day before everything is supposed to go to the printers, bossman wakes up and decides on a whim he does not like the colors in one of the graphics. So the order comes down to „just change that one real quick“. Which means the presumed final draft is now retracted, needs rework, another round of approvals, possibly more changes, leading to more overtime and increased cost when external parties (who bill by the hour) are involved, which in turn will make the bossman unhappy. And if you then tell them that this is what happens if they come up with last minute changes like that, they either will warn you not to give them attitude - or they will stop, think and say „You know what - forget about it“. A well placed „Sorry bossman, no can do unless you are prepared for X, Y and Z“ can work wonders.
    In my professional career I have witnessed too many projects going horribly wrong or things that while being completed, caused WAY more stress for everyone involved than needed be. And then there is of course company politics wreaking havoc on projects, where two managers cannot agree and projects end up eating all the resources because manager A wants things done one way, and manager B wants them done a different way or not at all. And those who need to implement the whole thing are stuck in the middle with conflicting information they are somehow expected to „work out“ or get told to „just make it work“.
    Imagine being told to draw a green square, but only using three lines and a red pen. Then you’ll get the idea.

  • @alphaomega154
    @alphaomega154 10 месяцев назад

    from my observation on US specops, the early heads up from HQ is so the deployed teams could start gathering live intels outside of satellite imageries. like drone intels and quick recons. those data will be exchanged with their HQs for the final briefs. its simply to clarify things. and even that can still go wrong. the real tactical prep that are matters are the tactical behaviour of the personnels during executions. and these are things that also can be defeated if the enemies know the perfect counter to deal with it. whatever intels they have gathered prior to executions.

  • @martyp5976
    @martyp5976 8 месяцев назад

    Si, great content as always!