Where to start. A small motor just driving a fan would be more energy efficient and remove the complexity of the bellows. More importantly...an open loop like this is not used in "modern" air circulation systems for several important reasons. Algae growth in the tank and pipes can off gas methane and moisture in the lines can grow god know what bacteria--both of which can kill you. A closed loop system with a water to air energy exchange, (a fancy way of saying radiator) with a fan will still take advantage of the Geo-thermal cooling without exposing you to off gassing and bacteria. It also prevents the water from evaporating. You are also going to saturate the area around your 5 gallon water bottle with heat very quickly and there goes your cooling. You need to spread that heat loading over a much larger area. There are no shortcuts in physics. Even open source physics =)
These were also my main concerns with the approach, but it does work fairly well in practice. I'd much rather use a fan due to ease of material availability, but they can't overcome the backpressure of bubbling the air through the water. I saturate the water with table salt, which doesn't off gas and keeps the water completely sterile. Bubbling warm air through cool water acts as a dehumidifier, not the opposite, so there's no water vapour to accumulate in the downstream pipes and promote biological growth. Could maybe overflow if it's left unchecked for too long in humid conditions and too much water drops into the bottle. The first prototype of this I used a vacuum cleaner motor as air mover, which was putting out 55C air, which even after eight hours of running the system, in suboptimal conditions (shallow sand) the out air (and therefore ground) temp didn't come up by more than half a degree above baseline.
@@OpenSourceLowTech Sorry but salt water is not sterile--even in higher concentrations. Saline is sterile because it uses sterilized water and is kept in a sterilized sealed container. Google "is salt water sterile?". If you don't believe Google, have a look at your nearest ocean, brine pond, or salt water aquarium. As for condensation. You may not see it on the upper end of your vertical piping because of gravity but there WILL be condensation. It will just collect lower in the pipe where you can't see it. By definition, if your system is drawing heat from the room your cooling then you are creating a temperature differential and wherever there is a temperature differential there will be condensation. As for the size of your system and thermal saturation. I don't recall your mentioning the actual temperature differential you achieve. IIRC you are cooling a 1728 cubic foot space. You don't mention ambient or average ambient, and specifically how much you lower the temperature, or for how long you can maintain that differential. Your 5 gallon water container is buried fairly shallow by geothermal standards, and is in a single container--not spread out over a larger area / land mass. There are quite a few calculators online for calculating how much land mass you would need for systems of differing sizes--these typically are rated by the ton. Anecdotes are nice. Facts and data are better. I mean no disrespect, and I am not being critical or trolling you. I think the work you are doing is important and that geothermal is a wonderful solution to heating and cooling--one a lot more people should be using. My concern is that incorrectly designed systems, or systems not sized properly, or open loop systems that can make people sick, will have the opposite effect and actually discourage the general public from exploring greener technologies. You seem like a good person. You clearly are creative and willing to put in the labor. My hope is that you do more research and make sure the system is safe before you make these videos. Explore moving the water (in a closed loop for safety) rather than pushing air through the water in an open loop. There are tons of inexpensive water pumps--a lot of them are 12V and designed to work off of solar. Use an energy exchange--aka radiator--which are also fairly inexpensive, equipped with one or more small fans. Systems like this have already been used safely for a very long time. They are very energy efficient, low maintenance, easy to install--well except for all that digging =), and most importantly, safe.
@@OpenSourceLowTech You might use a mixture of borax and citric acid powder mix to keep the water sterile. Regardless of the approach, you need to change the heat exchange medium from time to time. For easy water changes the tank could have a third pipe that leads to an access point. Second, the water bottle sits on gravel and drain from an overflow to the gravel. From time to time you just pour in new mix and it pushes older mix out to the gravel. And you need a vastly larger tank to adequately cool 12 foot cubed. AC's are measured in mass units called tons. You need upwards of 1,000 pounds (.5 ton) for that much volume.
Your channel isn't broken, but your audio is. You either need a better mic or a louder voice! Looking back through your videos, I can remember getting notifications for most of them. I don't think there's anything up with the algorithm, the problem is maybe with the apes that are trying to understand the algorithm... 🙃 All the best
Yes, it works! A couple of things jump out at me that you may not have considered ... You have a water source with air bubbling through it ..... How do you stop the nasties like Legionnaire killing people? Now I have your attention it is only fair to say the chances may be low, but they are there and it has happened before (hence the name)! Your air valves do not look like they would be effective with low pressure differentials. Did you think of having a ping pong ball in a tube so that when it falls to the bottom it blocks the air intake? When the pressure outside the intake exceeds the pressure on the compression side of the valve the air would simply blow the ping pong ball up out of the way only for it to fall over the hole when the flow stops. An easy and cheap one way valve for air! A Ball Bearing would work well in a similar valve for water or oil! You could do a similar thing by having an external inlet vent leading down to the top of a gravel filled hole (or bury a long pipe in the dirt) ...... from your thermal mass (gravel) bottom you then feed into your room pod or whatever closed space you want to cool. The only thing you need then is a vent high up to let the hot air expell due to air pressure and drag cool air in from the thermal mass! Good luck with your channel!
Yeah the water definitely needs to be kept sterile. A saturated table salt solution seems to work best in terms of ergonomics, availability, killing everything, and not gassing off. The flap valves aren't the most effective option, but are the easiest to make and integrate. Ping pong ball checks would probably work better, and not be prohibitive, but the others seems just a bit better in a cost benefit sense. A pipe run rather than the water is the more standard approach to ground mass cooling, and works well, but needs a lot more pipe and ground area. The main point of this one is that you only really need to dig one straight hole.
@@OpenSourceLowTech another benefit of using a (high) concentration of salt, is that it will possibly give you some moisture removal from the air as well adding to the thermal efficiency. Good luck with this.
@@evil17 Quite possibly, humidity effects are definitely something needs in situ testing. There is the danger that it would add moisture to the air, since it's coming in direct contact with the water, but I think it should do the opposite, as that's generally what happens when you drop the dew point..
I regularly check in to my "subscriptions" page to see what's newly uploaded, and this video showed up like normal, and I clicked through to watch. Last vid I remember seeing is the wifi dish extender video. I personally don't turn on notifications on for any channels, I don't need any more distracting pings on my phone, but I do regularly come back to check subscription page.
i saw it in my pc yt page notifications first, but also got it as a mobile notification and on my subscriptions page, seems to all be working now! glad to see you back, really enjoy all your content
Good to see it working again. I got the notification when you uploaded, but haven't watched until today. It's been set to all notification for years, but this was the first that actually showed up in my notification list.
First one of your videos to show up in my notification feed. Good plan keeping it simple, just remember as heat rises, cold ' falls ' refer to frost creeping out to the floor in grocery stores in really hot summers.
I never heard of that before. Learn something new all the time! That's one reason I enjoy mostly lurking in what really amounts to engineering circles. Some people don't have that kind of degree, but that doesn't mean they're not whip smart. I'm a student of human nature basically, and we never cease to impress me.
Upvoted.. appeared in my suggestions. Good luck friend. Edited: I'm now not sure if you appeared in my suggestions or my subscribed list, just realised I was subbed already.
I'm subscribed, no notifications set up, but saw the thumbnail while scrolling my subscription feed. Regarding the actual video, I would like to mention that as the air gets pulled through the water, it is going to warm the water. Unavoidable in any situation, but a plastic jug is going to insulate it and make it lose efficiency faster. A more conductive metal bucket that can shed that heat to the earth faster may make it work better.
Metal would be better, yes, but I did a rough calculation of the thermal throuput of the polycarb, given its R value, thickness, and surface area, and the max wattage out through it should be greater than what's coming in with the air. And then the heat carrying capacity of the ground should be essentially infinite. Metal containers are trickier to get, especially ones that seal, and would need to be very rust proof being filled with saturated brine for years on end.
I do have some test data on this system, which will presumably be in the next video. Basically, even pumping 55C air into this for eight hours straight, the water temp only came up by half a degree above the ground temp.
I got a notification. My subscription 'bell' for your channel has always been set to "all". I saw this video months ago. Can't remember if I got a notification then. I might have been looking through my sub list and saw you had posted. It's been a while.
I love these Open Source Low Tech designs. And love the idea of cooling with the earth. I just worry about Legionnaires' Disease when condensation in the pipe turns to mildew. Perhaps it's dry enough in Arizona so that isn't a problem.
The tank can be saturated with table salt to keep it sterile in a way that won't gas off over time. The rest of the system shouldn't really get any water buildup, but should be kept an eye on, yes.
FYI, just commenting for algos. I don’t know if I got notified, once I saw your other recent update(s) in my notifications in my subscriptions and main feed I went to check your channel and saw this one. Glad I checked because this is a project I hadn’t seen before
Very interesting indeed. This video certainly would be of great help should it be remade in a tutorial of step by step on how DIY and perhaps any new added innovations as well. This cooling system seems beneficial for off grid cooling by solar power.
It would really help me out if you could leave a comment with where you saw the thumbnail for this video, and if your subscribed +/ belled if you got a notification, and where. Thanks guys.
I saw the notification on computer and clicked on it, also received it on phone, I'm subscribed + notifications bell "all", I also see the video in the subscriptions tab, everything works as expected for me
First of all sorry for my english. Have you thought about doing the same but replacing the plastic bottle with a clay pot? Here in Spain, a water container called "botijo" a jug has traditionally been used and it cools the water by allowing the water to perspire because it is made of clay and by evaporating water through its surface, the temperature of the water in the container is lowered. So I wonder if the functioning of the jug could be adapted to this system by burying the clay pot. We would have to think of a system to fill the jar with water, but I don't think it would be much of a problem using the pipes themselves. Congratulations on your channel, it seems to me the very essence of humanity, making simple systems available to people that can be a great improvement.
That sounds good to me also. Thanks. It may seem farfetched for me to still enjoy reading and hearing about low tech innovation when I'm getting too old to do much about it, especially a lot of digging - but maybe it's giving me hope for the future of mankind even when I'm gone, etc. At least I was able to buy a 2-storey 1900 Queen Anne and fix it up and plant a whole lot of trees when I first retired almost 2 decades ago. Concentrating on passive systems first pays off too. Even when it hits 90 degrees Farenheit outdoors, I don't need to run so much as a single fan. It'll still be between 70 and 75 indoors. When the outside gets even hotter, I just gradually step up the fan situation while living downstairs and encouraging enough hot air to flow upstairs. We had a couple of official heat domes this summer but I only had to run the downstairs window AC the greater part of less than 5 days total. Never at night. And I've got enough solar to run the window AC on that if we have grid down. So I hope I've done my part.
Got a notification and the vid was also in my subscription feed. The audio is very quiet, and it is difficult to understand what being said when listening on a smart phone. It might be possible to fix this in editing by adjusting the gain on the audio track.
Yeah it needs a bit of an edit in general, I'll probably incorporate this footage into the eventual full build tutorial, once the prototype is up and running.
@@OpenSourceLowTech Fantastic. I was just worried your average view time might be taking a hit as a result. But there again, not everyone cares about ticking every single one of RUclips's boxes (their alleged criteria for algorithmically favouring a video) and that's a good thing. Enjoyed the preview, looking forward to the final version!
Subscribed previously with "all" bell active. Video recommended in my list of new videos from subcribed channels under the bell icon (adjacent to account menu).
It seems that you may have dug too close to the concrete pad and this may cause it to crack. If your going to fill the hole with gravel, kindly put a screen ( landscape screen) around it, to stop the dirt under the house from moving.
It showed up in my list of subscribed new videos. I don't choose to received notifications n any of my subscribed channels.As a side note, even with volume qt maximum on youtube and my computer, I could barely hear the first 3 1/2 minutes. Thanks.
Yeah I think, touch wood, we're back to normal. Sorry about the sound, this isn't a final edit as such, was just meant as a test. I'll be doing a more comprehensive video on this tech at some point, including data etc.
desert ground is not 55 degrees at 1 meter, it's more like 75 degrees. Ground temperature is only lower than 60 degrees if it's wet due to evaporative cooling effect. It gets to about 65 degrees down 50 feet deep... good DIY project though...
amazng what you doing. i would really pleased to see some application in life like what you do with all those or how you actually implement these. what is the coolest temp you can reach? if you have a plan map of these would be also cool to see. even hand drawn. i went through all your stuff already and i am so impressed. i want to do some of these at home for myself too and create something sustainable low thec system, yet I struggle where to start.
The air temp should be the ground temp, which varies from place to place, but is usually between 10C and 22C, or so. I'm aiming to do some more testing and then a proper build tutorial.
Bingo! I've been looking at all sort of different rotary to linear converters for a 50' pond solar powered pump and this is a unique idea. ruclips.net/video/DG6own141z0/видео.html is a well known PVC one-way check valve that is probably better. This pump is nice because it sort of obviates the need for some sort of lubricant.
I am subscribed with the bell notifications. My Pixel phone added it to my news feed someone last night. I am commenting the morning of April 20th. Great content. Though I am curious how effective that will be in the Arizona summer. I've lived there. That device has it's work cut out for it. 🥵
6:03 Awesome Content! 🎉 What about wear & tear? How long do you expect it to last until you need to replace/repair it? Thank you so much for sharing! ❤
Depends on what's used as an air mover, and motor to drive it. Only really one moving part tho, and nothing run anywhere near max spec, so it should last a while. Longer term field tests to come.
It should pretty much purely depend on the ground temperature (at 1.5 - 2m depth), which should be the average yearly temp for the location. Humid air shouldn't be an issue, but won't know for sure til it's been more properly tested.
- Do you have a complete demo with delta T measurements? - How would you scale this for a bigger space? - Insulating the cold air pipe isn't necessary ?
- I haven't got around to doing a proper results video of this yet, but the initial prototype in Western Australia had s l/s of 55C air (using a vacuum cleaner air mover which is not a good option other than for stress testing the system) going into 23.5C ground temp (shallower and sandier than ideal) and didn't come up ore than 0.5C above that after 8 hours of solid use. - Depends, but mostly bigger air mover for more volume flow. It'd probably have to be fairly big before you needed a bigger water mass / container. - Hose pipe insulates reasonably well, but more lagging is more effective, yes.
Like all your videos, but other then the turbines where you show the output, this type of videos of cooling/heating, we also want to see the results, i mean, if that works is not hard to measure the temperature of the out pipe that goes to the house and showing a clip of it.
So the returning air is at a much higher humidity due to passing thru the water in the jug. I doubt this would provide much BTU cooling hence the need to place directly under and against a tree for shade. The principle is fairly good but the execution leaves something to be desired.
I have a question, if yall have a second to answer it . Would this design work in more temperate, less arid climates? I understand that evaporative cooling systems like this dont work so well in humid climates, though im wondering if somehow because of the geothermal effect, that gets accounted for.
This isn't an evaporative process, in fact it would be an issue if the water did gas off over time. The cooling effect is just from transferring the ground temperature to the water, as in most locations it should be cooler than summer days and warmer than winter nights.
Over time the water will evaporate out. Building a portion that comes apart fairly easily so you could refill would make this a permanent solution. Hook up 10 of these to your house and you could significantly reduce the amount of time you have to run your ac. Question: is fungus a potential concern? This is a zero light situation and if distilled water is used it strikes me that colonization with bacteria is unlikely but I don't know enough to know if fungus might grow. It occurs to me that one could use saltwater like in a saltwater pool but then your house could smell like the ocean constantly. Have you encountered any issues with this and if so how have you dealt with it?
Evaporation could be an issue, I usually have a connection point on the hose coming out the ground which can be unclipped and more water put in if needed. It hasn't really been an issue with any of the test sites so far, but probably depends on humidity etc. I saturate the water with salt to prevent any kind of biological contamination, it doesn't seem to put any kind of odour in the air.
Would be interesting to see proof that this works. For example show the temperature before it starts. Show the temperature after it runs. And do it during different parts of the day. Also you're pushing air through water that's dark. Are you worried about fungus and mold and other contaminants growing in the water and then getting thrust back into the air. Are there any health concerns with that? Seems like there might be some issues there you know.
You just created a bubble through vaporizer How do you deal with the humidity ? Maybe a radiator sitting in the water and using it for channeling the air without getting it close to 100% humidity . Good setup tho
I'll need to properly test the setup for humidification, but in principle I think, unless the input air is very dry, it should act as a dehumidifier if anything, as cooling the air drops its dew point and so how much water it is able to contain. Only one way to find out for sure tho and I'll be properly testing this system at some point before too long. Keeping the air encapsulated is an option, but would add a lot of materials and build complexity.
To make that more efficient you need to figure a way to make the bubbles smaller while producing the same cfm . The water will have a greater chilling effect on smaller bubbles than larger bubbles. I would look into how a fish tank aerates the water in tank .
Thought about it, but in the end (and slightly surprisingly) just the full size bubbles out the hose are efficient enough to cool even very hot air to the water/ground temp by the time they reach the surface.
I got some provisional data from the initial testing a while back, basically after eight hours straight of pumping 55C air in (heated by the vacuum cleaner pump I was using as a prototype) it didn't come up by more than half a degree above the local ground temp of 23.5C, and that was in a fairly non ideal situation of dry sand at less than a meter depth. I really need to get back to this tech tho and flesh it out properly..
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Where to start. A small motor just driving a fan would be more energy efficient and remove the complexity of the bellows. More importantly...an open loop like this is not used in "modern" air circulation systems for several important reasons. Algae growth in the tank and pipes can off gas methane and moisture in the lines can grow god know what bacteria--both of which can kill you. A closed loop system with a water to air energy exchange, (a fancy way of saying radiator) with a fan will still take advantage of the Geo-thermal cooling without exposing you to off gassing and bacteria. It also prevents the water from evaporating.
You are also going to saturate the area around your 5 gallon water bottle with heat very quickly and there goes your cooling. You need to spread that heat loading over a much larger area. There are no shortcuts in physics. Even open source physics =)
These were also my main concerns with the approach, but it does work fairly well in practice.
I'd much rather use a fan due to ease of material availability, but they can't overcome the backpressure of bubbling the air through the water.
I saturate the water with table salt, which doesn't off gas and keeps the water completely sterile.
Bubbling warm air through cool water acts as a dehumidifier, not the opposite, so there's no water vapour to accumulate in the downstream pipes and promote biological growth. Could maybe overflow if it's left unchecked for too long in humid conditions and too much water drops into the bottle.
The first prototype of this I used a vacuum cleaner motor as air mover, which was putting out 55C air, which even after eight hours of running the system, in suboptimal conditions (shallow sand) the out air (and therefore ground) temp didn't come up by more than half a degree above baseline.
@@OpenSourceLowTech Sorry but salt water is not sterile--even in higher concentrations. Saline is sterile because it uses sterilized water and is kept in a sterilized sealed container. Google "is salt water sterile?". If you don't believe Google, have a look at your nearest ocean, brine pond, or salt water aquarium. As for condensation. You may not see it on the upper end of your vertical piping because of gravity but there WILL be condensation. It will just collect lower in the pipe where you can't see it. By definition, if your system is drawing heat from the room your cooling then you are creating a temperature differential and wherever there is a temperature differential there will be condensation.
As for the size of your system and thermal saturation. I don't recall your mentioning the actual temperature differential you achieve. IIRC you are cooling a 1728 cubic foot space. You don't mention ambient or average ambient, and specifically how much you lower the temperature, or for how long you can maintain that differential. Your 5 gallon water container is buried fairly shallow by geothermal standards, and is in a single container--not spread out over a larger area / land mass. There are quite a few calculators online for calculating how much land mass you would need for systems of differing sizes--these typically are rated by the ton. Anecdotes are nice. Facts and data are better.
I mean no disrespect, and I am not being critical or trolling you. I think the work you are doing is important and that geothermal is a wonderful solution to heating and cooling--one a lot more people should be using. My concern is that incorrectly designed systems, or systems not sized properly, or open loop systems that can make people sick, will have the opposite effect and actually discourage the general public from exploring greener technologies. You seem like a good person. You clearly are creative and willing to put in the labor. My hope is that you do more research and make sure the system is safe before you make these videos.
Explore moving the water (in a closed loop for safety) rather than pushing air through the water in an open loop. There are tons of inexpensive water pumps--a lot of them are 12V and designed to work off of solar. Use an energy exchange--aka radiator--which are also fairly inexpensive, equipped with one or more small fans. Systems like this have already been used safely for a very long time. They are very energy efficient, low maintenance, easy to install--well except for all that digging =), and most importantly, safe.
@@OpenSourceLowTech You might use a mixture of borax and citric acid powder mix to keep the water sterile. Regardless of the approach, you need to change the heat exchange medium from time to time. For easy water changes the tank could have a third pipe that leads to an access point. Second, the water bottle sits on gravel and drain from an overflow to the gravel. From time to time you just pour in new mix and it pushes older mix out to the gravel. And you need a vastly larger tank to adequately cool 12 foot cubed. AC's are measured in mass units called tons. You need upwards of 1,000 pounds (.5 ton) for that much volume.
Very nice! Inspiring for sure. Would be nice to see a short video of it in action with some measurements. Thanks for sharing!
It just appeared in my suggestion list (25 minutes after upload) , so they've must fixed algorithm . Hopefully , it will continue to work .
Your channel isn't broken, but your audio is. You either need a better mic or a louder voice! Looking back through your videos, I can remember getting notifications for most of them. I don't think there's anything up with the algorithm, the problem is maybe with the apes that are trying to understand the algorithm... 🙃
All the best
Yep, great content, but please raise the volume in future videos! When an add starts it's so loud because your video has very little volume.
This reminds me of the 'open source ecology' project. You're doing absolutely awesome work that deserves to be known widely.
Yes, it works!
A couple of things jump out at me that you may not have considered ...
You have a water source with air bubbling through it ..... How do you stop the nasties like Legionnaire killing people?
Now I have your attention it is only fair to say the chances may be low, but they are there and it has happened before (hence the name)!
Your air valves do not look like they would be effective with low pressure differentials. Did you think of having a ping pong ball in a tube so that when it falls to the bottom it blocks the air intake? When the pressure outside the intake exceeds the pressure on the compression side of the valve the air would simply blow the ping pong ball up out of the way only for it to fall over the hole when the flow stops. An easy and cheap one way valve for air!
A Ball Bearing would work well in a similar valve for water or oil!
You could do a similar thing by having an external inlet vent leading down to the top of a gravel filled hole (or bury a long pipe in the dirt) ...... from your thermal mass (gravel) bottom you then feed into your room pod or whatever closed space you want to cool. The only thing you need then is a vent high up to let the hot air expell due to air pressure and drag cool air in from the thermal mass!
Good luck with your channel!
Yeah the water definitely needs to be kept sterile. A saturated table salt solution seems to work best in terms of ergonomics, availability, killing everything, and not gassing off.
The flap valves aren't the most effective option, but are the easiest to make and integrate. Ping pong ball checks would probably work better, and not be prohibitive, but the others seems just a bit better in a cost benefit sense.
A pipe run rather than the water is the more standard approach to ground mass cooling, and works well, but needs a lot more pipe and ground area. The main point of this one is that you only really need to dig one straight hole.
@@OpenSourceLowTech another benefit of using a (high) concentration of salt, is that it will possibly give you some moisture removal from the air as well adding to the thermal efficiency. Good luck with this.
@@evil17 Quite possibly, humidity effects are definitely something needs in situ testing. There is the danger that it would add moisture to the air, since it's coming in direct contact with the water, but I think it should do the opposite, as that's generally what happens when you drop the dew point..
Bro you're alive! I'm happy!
I have been subscribed for ages, & this is the 1st vid from you in my feed in a very long time.
Also got the notification, looking forward to more vids , god bless
I regularly check in to my "subscriptions" page to see what's newly uploaded, and this video showed up like normal, and I clicked through to watch. Last vid I remember seeing is the wifi dish extender video. I personally don't turn on notifications on for any channels, I don't need any more distracting pings on my phone, but I do regularly come back to check subscription page.
i saw it in my pc yt page notifications first, but also got it as a mobile notification and on my subscriptions page, seems to all be working now! glad to see you back, really enjoy all your content
Good to see it working again. I got the notification when you uploaded, but haven't watched until today. It's been set to all notification for years, but this was the first that actually showed up in my notification list.
Your channel seems to be working just fine for me. Great to see you again!
Blooming COSMIC!! This was my first thought of the day and BOOM!..you're in my feed. Thank you. 🤩💥🧠🙏✨💖
Appeared on top of my feed,I'm a subscriber
Channel working, but volume waaaaay too low.
Turn it up 😏
My volume is wide open & all I can hear is mumbling... can't hear anything he's saying... unwatchable...
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Same here, on my phone, volume too low compared to the ad just before it. Hopefully he will repost with higher volume.
First one of your videos to show up in my notification feed. Good plan keeping it simple, just remember as heat rises, cold ' falls ' refer to frost creeping out to the floor in grocery stores in really hot summers.
I never heard of that before. Learn something new all the time! That's one reason I enjoy mostly lurking in what really amounts to engineering circles. Some people don't have that kind of degree, but that doesn't mean they're not whip smart. I'm a student of human nature basically, and we never cease to impress me.
I'm subscribed and saw this video in the subscription feed.
Great to have you back - saw it in my notifications bc I'm subscribed (with bell)
subscribed. no bell, just green dot in my list of "favorites". look forward to working with you one day, TURTLE AIRSHIPS.
Upvoted.. appeared in my suggestions.
Good luck friend.
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I'm now not sure if you appeared in my suggestions or my subscribed list, just realised I was subbed already.
Got the notification on my phone since I'm a subscriber. All good ! Great video
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That's crazy I wondered why I'd stopped seeing videos from you. I got excited about the first hoverboard generator vid then nothing until this week.
I've not been seeing any notifications of your videos at all until today.
I'm subscribed, no notifications set up, but saw the thumbnail while scrolling my subscription feed.
Regarding the actual video, I would like to mention that as the air gets pulled through the water, it is going to warm the water. Unavoidable in any situation, but a plastic jug is going to insulate it and make it lose efficiency faster. A more conductive metal bucket that can shed that heat to the earth faster may make it work better.
Metal would be better, yes, but I did a rough calculation of the thermal throuput of the polycarb, given its R value, thickness, and surface area, and the max wattage out through it should be greater than what's coming in with the air. And then the heat carrying capacity of the ground should be essentially infinite.
Metal containers are trickier to get, especially ones that seal, and would need to be very rust proof being filled with saturated brine for years on end.
I do have some test data on this system, which will presumably be in the next video. Basically, even pumping 55C air into this for eight hours straight, the water temp only came up by half a degree above the ground temp.
@@OpenSourceLowTech All fair points. I guess it would be a negligent return for a lot more hassle.
I got a notification. My subscription 'bell' for your channel has always been set to "all". I saw this video months ago. Can't remember if I got a notification then. I might have been looking through my sub list and saw you had posted. It's been a while.
I love these Open Source Low Tech designs. And love the idea of cooling with the earth. I just worry about Legionnaires' Disease when condensation in the pipe turns to mildew. Perhaps it's dry enough in Arizona so that isn't a problem.
The tank can be saturated with table salt to keep it sterile in a way that won't gas off over time. The rest of the system shouldn't really get any water buildup, but should be kept an eye on, yes.
The dry air will dry the water out and EMPTY the water in a week.
I am subscribed and belled, this showed up in my subscription feed as it should :)
FYI, just commenting for algos. I don’t know if I got notified, once I saw your other recent update(s) in my notifications in my subscriptions and main feed I went to check your channel and saw this one. Glad I checked because this is a project I hadn’t seen before
Did subscribe a year ago, maybe...
I got the notification on my phone like most of the subscribed channels I have.
Keep on the good work.
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I saw the thumbnail on my YT front page. I even received a notification from the little bell icon thingy (happens for about 1/4 of my subs).
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I don’t remember subscribing to you so perhaps your channel maybe broken. That being said, some great content that I plan on continuing to watch :)
Very interesting indeed. This video certainly would be of great help should it be remade in a tutorial of step by step on how DIY and perhaps any new added innovations as well. This cooling system seems beneficial for off grid cooling by solar power.
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Popped up in my feed. Good to see you again!
It was on my subscription page this morning.
yes got your notification . Love your channel. thanks . Mate invest in a Microphone, SOUND real bad !!!!
Very steampunk. That's the knowledge that will be needed to rebuild after all of the destruction
First of all sorry for my english. Have you thought about doing the same but replacing the plastic bottle with a clay pot? Here in Spain, a water container called "botijo" a jug has traditionally been used and it cools the water by allowing the water to perspire because it is made of clay and by evaporating water through its surface, the temperature of the water in the container is lowered. So I wonder if the functioning of the jug could be adapted to this system by burying the clay pot. We would have to think of a system to fill the jar with water, but I don't think it would be much of a problem using the pipes themselves. Congratulations on your channel, it seems to me the very essence of humanity, making simple systems available to people that can be a great improvement.
That sounds good to me also. Thanks. It may seem farfetched for me to still enjoy reading and hearing about low tech innovation when I'm getting too old to do much about it, especially a lot of digging - but maybe it's giving me hope for the future of mankind even when I'm gone, etc. At least I was able to buy a 2-storey 1900 Queen Anne and fix it up and plant a whole lot of trees when I first retired almost 2 decades ago. Concentrating on passive systems first pays off too. Even when it hits 90 degrees Farenheit outdoors, I don't need to run so much as a single fan. It'll still be between 70 and 75 indoors. When the outside gets even hotter, I just gradually step up the fan situation while living downstairs and encouraging enough hot air to flow upstairs. We had a couple of official heat domes this summer but I only had to run the downstairs window AC the greater part of less than 5 days total. Never at night. And I've got enough solar to run the window AC on that if we have grid down. So I hope I've done my part.
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east coast aussie here
this channel is easily the coolest on youtube. no pun intended.
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Saw this today in my sub list, im belled
Great work. I hope a following video about performance and numbers.
Will be.
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Got a notification and the vid was also in my subscription feed. The audio is very quiet, and it is difficult to understand what being said when listening on a smart phone. It might be possible to fix this in editing by adjusting the gain on the audio track.
Yeah it needs a bit of an edit in general, I'll probably incorporate this footage into the eventual full build tutorial, once the prototype is up and running.
@@OpenSourceLowTech Fantastic. I was just worried your average view time might be taking a hit as a result. But there again, not everyone cares about ticking every single one of RUclips's boxes (their alleged criteria for algorithmically favouring a video) and that's a good thing. Enjoyed the preview, looking forward to the final version!
Really cool project 😆
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Nice concept
It seems that you may have dug too close to the concrete pad and this may cause it to crack. If your going to fill the hole with gravel, kindly put a screen ( landscape screen) around it, to stop the dirt under the house from moving.
It showed up in my list of subscribed new videos. I don't choose to received notifications n any of my subscribed channels.As a side note, even with volume qt maximum on youtube and my computer, I could barely hear the first 3 1/2 minutes. Thanks.
I saw it in my "feed" after subscribing a month or so ago
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I've been thinking of freezing a bunch of 55 gallon drums in winter and running a coil around them for cooling.
The channel doesn't seem broken, it popt up in my subscription list, but the sound of this video does, it's so low volume
Yeah I think, touch wood, we're back to normal.
Sorry about the sound, this isn't a final edit as such, was just meant as a test. I'll be doing a more comprehensive video on this tech at some point, including data etc.
Came in my feed, subscribed and belled. Please fix audio and re-upload.
MacGyver would be proud of you
desert ground is not 55 degrees at 1 meter, it's more like 75 degrees. Ground temperature is only lower than 60 degrees if it's wet due to evaporative cooling effect. It gets to about 65 degrees down 50 feet deep... good DIY project though...
amazng what you doing. i would really pleased to see some application in life like what you do with all those or how you actually implement these. what is the coolest temp you can reach? if you have a plan map of these would be also cool to see. even hand drawn.
i went through all your stuff already and i am so impressed.
i want to do some of these at home for myself too and create something sustainable low thec system, yet I struggle where to start.
The air temp should be the ground temp, which varies from place to place, but is usually between 10C and 22C, or so.
I'm aiming to do some more testing and then a proper build tutorial.
I've come back to this video to try this diaphragm design out as a simple pond aerator
Yeah that could work.
Bingo! I've been looking at all sort of different rotary to linear converters for a 50' pond solar powered pump and this is a unique idea. ruclips.net/video/DG6own141z0/видео.html is a well known PVC one-way check valve that is probably better.
This pump is nice because it sort of obviates the need for some sort of lubricant.
I am subscribed with the bell notifications. My Pixel phone added it to my news feed someone last night. I am commenting the morning of April 20th. Great content. Though I am curious how effective that will be in the Arizona summer. I've lived there. That device has it's work cut out for it. 🥵
They did some basic testing once it was installed, it seemed to work fairly well, more comprehensive numbers and stress testing to come.
@@OpenSourceLowTech Yeah. Let's see how it does in August. 120° outside temps are the best stress test. 🌡️
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Same here
Zip ties are guaranteed to let you down get by stainless steel Marine clamps and bulk very worth it.
Quite possibly, yeah.
I really couldn't hear the video but it seemed like an interesting topic.
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Awesome Content! 🎉
What about wear & tear?
How long do you expect it to last until you need to replace/repair it?
Thank you so much for sharing! ❤
Depends on what's used as an air mover, and motor to drive it.
Only really one moving part tho, and nothing run anywhere near max spec, so it should last a while.
Longer term field tests to come.
Hi I barely heard you but did you say what temps you were getting in the structure vs outdoor temps?
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Does this cool the air in all climates?
Like dry vs humid air.
It should pretty much purely depend on the ground temperature (at 1.5 - 2m depth), which should be the average yearly temp for the location. Humid air shouldn't be an issue, but won't know for sure til it's been more properly tested.
Nice! I have a geo cooler for my dense urban greenhouse of 42 sq/ft. Car alarm floor that is my version of urban LOL!
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I got a noti too. Nice low tech btw.
video showed up in suggestions. subbed but don't have the bell on.
Seems like it will raise humidity in the space, create a mold hazard, and if it warms enough, create a legionella hazard
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- Do you have a complete demo with delta T measurements?
- How would you scale this for a bigger space?
- Insulating the cold air pipe isn't necessary ?
- I haven't got around to doing a proper results video of this yet, but the initial prototype in Western Australia had s l/s of 55C air (using a vacuum cleaner air mover which is not a good option other than for stress testing the system) going into 23.5C ground temp (shallower and sandier than ideal) and didn't come up ore than 0.5C above that after 8 hours of solid use.
- Depends, but mostly bigger air mover for more volume flow. It'd probably have to be fairly big before you needed a bigger water mass / container.
- Hose pipe insulates reasonably well, but more lagging is more effective, yes.
@@OpenSourceLowTech thanks ! I'll try it for my 90m3 off grid space
Great topic and a chest mic would be better.
brilliant!
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How well did it work? It was over as it started to operate.
What are the results of this system? Does it in fact cool on a hot day?
Would not the water begin to growing mold etc that you would not want pumped into the air in the building?
Like all your videos, but other then the turbines where you show the output, this type of videos of cooling/heating, we also want to see the results, i mean, if that works is not hard to measure the temperature of the out pipe that goes to the house and showing a clip of it.
Thumbnail was u holding the a c bucket thing
So the returning air is at a much higher humidity due to passing thru the water in the jug. I doubt this would provide much BTU cooling hence the need to place directly under and against a tree for shade. The principle is fairly good but the execution leaves something to be desired.
So it's bubbling hot air through the water? I look forward to seeing more.
Basically, yeah. Surprisingly effective.
@@OpenSourceLowTech got any data? Would be awesome to see!
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I have a question, if yall have a second to answer it .
Would this design work in more temperate, less arid climates?
I understand that evaporative cooling systems like this dont work so well in humid climates, though im wondering if somehow because of the geothermal effect, that gets accounted for.
This isn't an evaporative process, in fact it would be an issue if the water did gas off over time.
The cooling effect is just from transferring the ground temperature to the water, as in most locations it should be cooler than summer days and warmer than winter nights.
What is the purpose of the intake/out take being so small?
Over time the water will evaporate out. Building a portion that comes apart fairly easily so you could refill would make this a permanent solution. Hook up 10 of these to your house and you could significantly reduce the amount of time you have to run your ac.
Question: is fungus a potential concern? This is a zero light situation and if distilled water is used it strikes me that colonization with bacteria is unlikely but I don't know enough to know if fungus might grow. It occurs to me that one could use saltwater like in a saltwater pool but then your house could smell like the ocean constantly. Have you encountered any issues with this and if so how have you dealt with it?
Evaporation could be an issue, I usually have a connection point on the hose coming out the ground which can be unclipped and more water put in if needed. It hasn't really been an issue with any of the test sites so far, but probably depends on humidity etc.
I saturate the water with salt to prevent any kind of biological contamination, it doesn't seem to put any kind of odour in the air.
Thanks!
Awesome! :)
does the water go bad, giving smelly air, after a while?
Would be interesting to see proof that this works. For example show the temperature before it starts. Show the temperature after it runs. And do it during different parts of the day. Also you're pushing air through water that's dark. Are you worried about fungus and mold and other contaminants growing in the water and then getting thrust back into the air. Are there any health concerns with that? Seems like there might be some issues there you know.
I need to see the delta T
You just created a bubble through vaporizer
How do you deal with the humidity ?
Maybe a radiator sitting in the water and using it for channeling the air without getting it close to 100% humidity .
Good setup tho
I'll need to properly test the setup for humidification, but in principle I think, unless the input air is very dry, it should act as a dehumidifier if anything, as cooling the air drops its dew point and so how much water it is able to contain.
Only one way to find out for sure tho and I'll be properly testing this system at some point before too long.
Keeping the air encapsulated is an option, but would add a lot of materials and build complexity.
To make that more efficient you need to figure a way to make the bubbles smaller while producing the same cfm . The water will have a greater chilling effect on smaller bubbles than larger bubbles. I would look into how a fish tank aerates the water in tank .
Thought about it, but in the end (and slightly surprisingly) just the full size bubbles out the hose are efficient enough to cool even very hot air to the water/ground temp by the time they reach the surface.
@@OpenSourceLowTech suit yourself
Do you have temperature measurements of the inlet and outlet of the machine?
Thank you
I got some provisional data from the initial testing a while back, basically after eight hours straight of pumping 55C air in (heated by the vacuum cleaner pump I was using as a prototype) it didn't come up by more than half a degree above the local ground temp of 23.5C, and that was in a fairly non ideal situation of dry sand at less than a meter depth.
I really need to get back to this tech tho and flesh it out properly..