WARNING: These ACC Teams are in SERIOUS Trouble! | Miami | Louisville | VT | Pitt | Virginia | Duke
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2024
- There are six teams in the ACC that should be WORRIED about what's happening with regard to conference realignment. I discuss why today!
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I miss the old days, when people and schools weren't so casually talking about completely destroying the sports programs of other schools just to get themselves a little extra money. And calling them Group of Five schools is crap. Ideas like this are going to completely destroy college sports, because I guarantee when all these schools who you consider "lesser" are gone, people aren't going to jump on the band wagon of the nearest power school just to get a sports fix. People are loyal to their schools, and will just tune out. And that is going to cost a lot of revenue in the long run.
I hear you. The old model was never going to survive NIL and paying players, which is inevitable. Im hoping the new model will align competitive levels better, and competition is ultimately what drives viewership, based on NFL data. I think you have made some valid points in the tone. I have no intentions of changing, but I do hope you will enjoy some of our videos and maybe not others. I appreciate you taking the time to share your opinion.
@@CFBAddiction I like watching your videos, and I wouldn't ask you to change. But as a lifelong fan of one of the "other" schools, it hurts when all everyone is talking about lately is how since my school isn't top tier football year after year, they're basically nothing. Meanwhile, the perennial bottom-dwellers of the SEC and Big 10 get a pass, because once upon a time they joined up due to geography.
Another talking point I've been hearing a lot lately is "national brands," and how schools need to be national to be worthwhile. Only about a quarter of SEC/Big 10 schools are, so using that as criteria for desirability is disingenuous. Most schools are, at best, regional brands.
The problem with taking a third of the ACC and forcing it into Group of Five is that Sankey is pushing to eliminate Group of Five (and other lower tier conferences) from championship consideration IN ANY SPORT. He already half controls football, and now is looking at basketball, starting talks about how we need to do away with automatic qualifiers for non-Power schools. He doesn't want March Madness, he wants the SEC/Big10 National Championship Invitational.
Basically I don't want to see a sports program that has been around since the 1870s, with more than 30 team national championships and close to 50 individual national titles, die just because someone has decided that they are excluded from future championship consideration.
@@markp7262they don’t get it. Any “fan” of a school that’s considered a powerhouse truly believes the general public will sit down on Saturday afternoons and watch the XFL 2.0.
I mean honestly… have you guys ever actually sat down and watched every single snap of a college football game?
The gameplay is actually really, really bad. It’s the pageantry people love. And when both blue blood programs in the Big 10 start going 7-5 year in and year old, even they’ll start to migrate away.
@@markp7262they don’t get it. Any “fan” of a school that’s considered a powerhouse truly believes the general public will tune in on Saturday afternoons and watch the XFL 2.0.
I mean honestly… have you guys ever actually sat down and watched every single snap of a college football game?
The gameplay is actually really, really bad. It’s the pageantry people love. And when both blue blood programs in the Big 10 start going 7-5 year in and year out, even they’ll start to migrate away.
Spot on.
Great content TJ‼️ Always have facts to back up your information.
What facts?
Miami is probably scooped up by the Big 10, FL would probably block them from the SEC. Pitt adds no value to the Big 10 because they already have the Pittsburgh market with PSU.
The other 5 makes sence to join the Big 12. Pitt Louisville and VT have rivalies with Cincy and WVU they are all faily close to each other and putting them with UCF in a division creates easily drivable day trips for fans going to away games. They would help the academic standings of the conference, and Duke adds another great hoops. team. UVA might be pushing it, but it would give you the full VA market and that would bring in a good amount of money.
Is there anyone out there besides me that thinks that conferences are just too freaking big ? The old ACC days were a lot better
Maryland leaving was the start of the end
@@Shaboomquisa ACC destroying the Big East was the beginning of the end. No ACC chickens coming home to roost
I just started listening to your channel. I appreciate all the work you are doing to keep us informed. Keep up the great work.
The look in on the CFB also allows the Big 12 to add dollars to their payout should they expand, and they have a renewal on their TV contract much sooner. So if schools join the Big 12 they are still more likely to earn more there than staying in the ACC, assuming they don't go to the power two. It's not a good situation for the ACC.
Vt is going to be fine. Look at viewership numbers for tv and attendance. They have higher numbers than all but 2 current acc teams. They are also well above the average for p5 teams. GT, wake , bc are all teams that I worry about.
I hope you're right. They have a loyal, passionate fanbase and some history of being very good. It's very bad timing with their recent falling off. VT, to me, is a much better property than UVA in some important ways. UVA is ambivalent at even being too good in football. I don't believe that the power structure there is on board with committing to bigtime football. VT certainly is.
Perhaps FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Miami, Virginia, and Virginia Tech should join with Notre Dame and form a new league with an NBC contract
Great idea .
Good idea I don’t know if that would be a feasible solution.
Maybe, if NBC wouldn't have paid so much for B1G games.
Terrible idea!
So after ND made a power play to bring in Stanford and Cal you want to move off them...
Everything will depend on what ESPN, FOX, CBS, etc... is willing to pay. At least in my opinion, the SEC wants teams that have good attendance, travels well, and "culturally" fits their loyal fanbase. I see Florida State and Clemson being brought into the SEC. South Carolina and Florida can pound sand because FSU and Clemson get TV ratings and fill up stadiums. I think Virginia Tech would be the 3rd school asked to join. They routinely exceed over 60,000 in terms of attendance and have a strong fan base. The fourth is a stretch, but I see NC State. They seem to have the biggest following and best attendance in North Carolina for college football. Both VTech and NC State gets the SEC into new, but familiar, territory. The BIG 10 wants TV markets, states where their alumni live, and better recruiting locations. Schools like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State, along with every other school in the Big 10 want an easier path to recruiting the South. However, I am not sure they are eager to have tough competition, so schools like Clemson and Florida State could be a threat. Schools like Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech, and Miami give them what they want in terms of TV markets, alumni location, recruiting access, and all of those schools are top research (AAU) schools. That means "prestige." The question is whether they want or can go up to 22 schools? The BIG 12 needs to fill out their eastern wing otherwise WVU, Cincinnati, and UCF will suffer having to routinely send their Olympic sports on 4 and 5 hour flights across the country. Pitt and Louisville would be good fits with WVU and Cincinnati. The Ohio River Valley from Western PA through Ohio and into the northern half of Kentucky has decent football recruiting and very importantly, actual interest in college football. If NC State does not get the SEC invite, I can see Duke in the BIG 12 with their blue blood basketball program. The biggest difference between Duke and Stanford, Duke embraces NIL and transfer students, Stanford not so much. If Virginia Tech does not get the SEC invite, I see them being swooped up by the BIG 12. Syracuse (my favorite team), Boston College and Wake Forest are in trouble. I can see the BIG 12 taking a UConn or Memphis before any of those three, if the TV execs allow them. Outside of Pennsylvania, college football is just not a big deal in the Northeast...however....UConn has great fans. They follow their basketball teams (men's and women's) religiously and when their football team won, Rentschler Field was sold out. UConn can get you the whole state of Connecticut, Syracuse does not get you NYC and BC does not get you Boston. Memphis is the gateway to the Deep South, which means recruiting. They also are pouring $200 million into the Liberty Bowl and have corporate dollars (Fed Ex, Auto Zone, Allegiant Airlines, etc...) Both UConn and Memphis have better "upsides" or "ceilings" than Syracuse, Boston College, or Wake Forest.
XII needs to add Pitt and VT
This has nothing with my being a Mountaineer fan and wanting them on the schedule every year lol
The Big 12 would be smart to make a run at Pitt just like they did with Colorado. The ACC is a house of cards and one average team leaving will destroy it all
This Pitt fan agrees with the Mountaineer!
I agree Dave as a VT fan . Also it’s an easier drive for these fans to the games . I always liked the Va. Tech/ WVU rivalry. And Pitt as well .
ND screwed the Big East and it has now screwed the ACC as a result of being partial members. This was predicted when the ACC jumped into bed with them. ND could save the conference but it's selfishness wont allow it. For a Catholic University, it sure makes moves like the devil. In the end, a conference is a group of schools that work together to make it better, which in turn improves their status. When a school like ND only partially joins a conference, it doesn't try to make the conference better. Nope, it only cares about itself, which in turn creates resentment and division and then you have a collapse. Thanks ND!
The ACC was also complete idiots not forcing their hands during Covid. Even if they pushed them to the BIG10, it would have yielded better results
@@CFBAddiction in defense of ND, as a ND fan, look at some of the teams you named as G5 in this video. ACC ratings bad enough without ND but the 2 or 3 extra TV games ND brings to ACC contracts is big money compared to most of the ACC. It was still a beneficial deal to ACC. I agree ACC would have been smarter to try to leverage covid situation against ND. However I take exception to the ND "haters" that act like ND is the reason FSU and Clemson want to leave. FSU and Clemson want to leave because the ACC has 7-10 teams that lose the conference money big time. Has nothing to do with ND. In fact without ND in the ACC the situation would be even worse. When Notre Dame played Clemson at Clemson this year that is a game that contributed to ACC revenue. It drew 3+ million viewers for a non prime time game against a Clemson team that already had like 4 losses. The Notre Dame vs Louisville primetime game drew 5+ million viewers. Another game that was part of the ACC TV deal. Notre Dame prime time at Duke drew another 5+ million. Thats 13/14 million viewers ND brought to the ACC in 3 games. What would the ACC TV money look like WITHOUT ND games? If its 30-50 million behind Big 10 with ND then what the hell would it be without ND. When those "primetime" ND games aren't on ABC but instead its Louisville vs NC State on ESPN2. I'm glad FSU is being smart and doing whats best for FSU but I don't think it has much to do with ND joining or not joining the ACC. ND was SMART not to join this joke conference with huge revenue losers.
@tomdemay6147 as stated earlier typical catholic evil evil money money shame on you & them single handedly destroyed a great historic league over money period!
I would love to see those teams in the middle of the ACC in the BIG12!
You put out phenomenal content. Keep doing your thing. 💯💯
Thank you! 🤝
Everyone keeps talking about North Carolina and NC State being inseparable. Have we not just recently watched Oregon split from Oregon State, Washington split from Washington State, Oklahoma split from Oklahoma State, and even Texas and A&M had split up for a time. Don't forget UCLA abandoning Cal. These state-level legislators and University Systems are toothless.
The difference is that North Carolina politicians have taken a proactive role. However, I'm not convinced UNC and NC State are tied at the hip.
Exactly, they are never going to allow their flagship university to fall behind in irrelevance. But the NC BOG could allow UNC to go to the B1G so NC St could go to the SEC because that would be the only realistic way both teams land in Super 2 Conferences. Plus they can continue playing non-con games against each other, if it's so important to them.
Different states with different state laws an NC has seemed to press the issue where Oregon Washington and Oklahoma didn't care ... California cared but they made the mistake of trying to tie USC to Cal and Stanford and USCs massive alumni and fanbase ripped them a new asshole it's also worth pointing out that Texas never cared what Texas A&M did even now Texas isn't joining the SEC for money Texas has all the money in the world so when Texas A&M left they just waved nobody gave a crap
Theres legal stuff keeping those 2 carolina school together is my understanding
Are any of the schools you mentioned both governed by the same Board like UNC and NCSU are?
My question is what does ESPN want?
It would be prudent of them to decide what ACC brands they want to keep in the SEC, before they lose control of them fully to FOX.
They have a decision to make on the ACC contract before Feb 25’.
Big12 will add Miami, Louisville, VT maybe Duke or Clemson.
No SEC.....Maybe Big 10
If Miami, Clemson and VT are available to the B12, ESPN will pay us as much or more for a rebuilt ACC as they do for the XII.
@@Jbob37 Big 10 would be retarded to NOT take Miami. It's a no brainer. Best case Miami finally does something. Worst case the brand is big enough their games against Big 10 powers will still get decent ratings and if Miami stay down Big 10 will just poach Miami recruits to places like Penn State or Nebraska.
Why does everyone think the Big 12 is this great landing spot? Even without FSU and Clem, the remaining ACC Schools would still be a better Football Conference than the Big 12 after Texas and Ok bolt to the SEC. I keep asking Who are the marquee teams remaining in the Big 12? Ok St., I'll give you that one. The new look Colorado? perhaps...Who else? I'll wait.
@@warrengque it's not a "great" landing spot. However it is BETTER than the ACC without FSU / Clemson / UNC like ACC will be. It is also much better than the "G5" like the AAC, MAC, CUSA, Mountain West etc. I have compared it to a "mid major" in college basketball. It is clearly behind the power conferences but it is also clearly ahead of the lower tier conferences.
What is in serious trouble is college football with all of the money grabs going on an the lack of concern for the game by the SEC and Big 10
The "Power2" are nothing without the rest of the field. No legitimacy without the vast FBS membrrship.
Is there a chance that FSU and Clemson could incentivize the other valuable members to dissolve the conference by forming their own conference and they would be included? FSU, Clem, GT, UM, UNC, VT, UVA, NCSU, UL would be a good foundation to build on, maybe in a few years the conference and network has a clearer direction. There would be a 17.7% of $1.3b hole to fill with the dissolving of the ACC, most of that could go to the breakaway conference while the leftovers would get something like what OSU and WSU would be getting.
Is there any other c
There's a couple problems with this. Theoretically, each team makes more in the "new" ACC because they're not sharing with the small programs. However, the pie shrinks in total, which makes the conference weaker. Conference realignment is fueled by the consolidation of matchups that can dominate time slots on TV. Think about this: it's noon on a Saturday and you're a Clemson fan, but your game doesn't start for another 4 hours. In the meantime, what game do you want to watch: Georgia vs Tennessee, or Wake vs FSU? You may be tempted to see how FSU plays, because you play them in a couple weeks, but Georgia vs Tennessee will most likely be an exciting game with an electric atmosphere. The networks realize this goes on every game day. They want to get as many big brand vs big brand games on the schedule as possible. They see every game against a small school as a waste of a time slot.
@@tet2755 In my model Wake, BC, SU, Duke, SMU, Stan, Cal are out. It's down to the best 9-10 from the ACC. Currently the only annual big ratings matchups are FSU vs Clem and FSU vs UM. The new conference would annually have FSU vs UNC, FSU vs VT, FSU vs UL, FSU vs GT, Clem vs Miami, Clem vs UNC, Clem vs VT, UM vs UNC, UM. There is a lot better quality of games though the inventory shrank.
Add in WVU and Cinci and you have just added more quality inventory, divisions could be like so:
FSU - UM
Clem- VT
GT - Pitt
UL - Cinci
UNC - UVA
NCSU- WVU
If ND want to have the same arrangement as the former ACC, then that adds more good inventory.
My thoughts TJ, I agree with you!
I cannot understand for the life of me why the hell notre dame has a say in anything.
because they bring value to the conference, even though they are not a full member.
@@EyeOfTheWatcherthey rlly don't tho.
I'm a Texas Tech fan, and I think ND is like Florid St, Texas,, Mich, and Ohio St
@@JohnDry They are ... In football ... ND football is as valuable as anyone even as a FSU guy I would say it's a insult to ND to compare us to them if college football had blue bloods ND would be one of them that's a massive brand ... But ND is just another program in everything else
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Not without football they don't ... If ND football was in the ACC they would be the most valuable members but without it they bring nothing to the table Basketball makes money if you have a elite program which ND doesn't and everything else looses money regardless of how great you are ... The ACC was stupid for allowing the ND deal to happen
Stanford
Duke
Notre Dame
Wake Forest
BC
SMU
MIA
SYR
Are a thing. They may stick together, regardless. They could willingly join the Big12, adding TCU, Baylor, BYU to their club.
Nobody from the Big12 is leaving for a lesser conference. Also they are not a thing. They may stick together but are adding AAC and MWC and the PAC-2 schools and maybe top end academic and athletic programs from the SBC but no one from the Big12 will join a vastly weaker ACC, as any new configuration would be less or equal to the revenue stream now that the ACC gets. I also think Miami ends up in the BiG10 most likely. I think a restructure ACC might look like the following 25 teams or close to it in a few years if teams leave for SEC and BiG10.
BC
UCONN
Villanova or Temple
Syracuse
Army (all in)
Navy (all in)
JMU
Pitt
Louisville
Wake Forest
Duke
App State
CCU
USF
Tulane
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Air Force (all in)
San Diego State
Stanford
California
OzzU
WazzU
*Notre Dame * only Olympic Sports and football schedule agreement.
This is insane, you have the ones that will sue out (Clemson, Florida St.) but when that happens you will have NC leave with them. But the teams that can would be stupid to not go make more money in the BIG 12.
TJ, I wish you were a ND fan and covering the Irish full time because I enjoy your perspective and you always come with the facts. You get down in the trenches and bring it to us real. I appreciate you. You ever want to switch, just come on up.
Appreciate this! Do you head to many games? I am going up in November when FSU travels north!
I even know what you can call your new channel…@fromGarnetToGold
I do when I can, but I work for that “central PA” team and am responsible to drive the Blue Buses to the game.
They need one big relegation league like soccer. Top 20 or 40 schools play in the top tier split into 2 or4 divisions. You can have middle and lower tiers as needed. Bottom two schools in each division get relegated every year and allow teams in the lower tiers to move up. Top 2 teams in each division move to the playoffs. I know it will never get approved, but they are making a mess out of college football as it is. It's all just a big money grab at this point. It would be a great time to setup something outside of the NCAA/Conferences if some billionaire had the passion to do it. I think the problem is there is no way for the NCAA to control the cap, so teams just keep jumping around to whoever can provide them with the most money. In the end, you could end up with two power conferences but with no guarantees they even play against one another. Two separate college leagues. I don't fans want that.
I read this and felt so bad for these guys. greetings from the pac 2
Pac7
@@CFBAddictionI can assuredly say that the PAC will not be rebuilt and regained Autonomy status. ACC being restructured and reorganized as an Autonomous Entity is extremely likely depending upon how many are left behind and what schools they add.
PAC12
I watch you and J about this ACC drama.
As a university of pittsburgh alum, I'm just curious as to what would happen if the ACC dissolve. What would be the best landing spot conference wise.
Check out our video tomorrow 🤝
the bottom line is like all media has their opinion, but you have no idea what is really happening
In the end, I think we'll see one Alpha League [B1G+SEC] one Bravo League [ACC\B12]
and a Charlie League [rest of FBS teams] and each will be completely separate with
separate schedules {no Alpha team would play any Beta team} separate media deals,
separate Bowl\Playoff formulas .. rather like AAA level baseball, AA level, A level.
I see more of a two league, three division set up, with promotion-relegation between each and then bowl games for the top teams in the lower divisions.
@@mklein818relegation won’t happen in the SEC. Their by laws protect the members and the conference. Maybe the others, don’t know their history or by laws.
I think eventually you'll see an NFL like setup with regional divisions. If that happens I don't see any way that the TV interests marginalize the Northeast by excluding Syracuse, (NYC market) and Boston College, (Boston -New England market). That makes no sense, ( please don't bring up Rutgers in regard to the NYC market - they are not the draw Syracuse is), plus Syracuse historically is a top 20 program in both football and basketball. They may be down at the moment but are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on facilities and coaches. It should also be noted that a LOT of ESPN's personnel are graduates of Syracuse's Newhouse School.
I don't see them getting left out of the equation nor do I see BC getting left out.
Having said that, I think it's a mistake to think that the SEC and the Big Ten are really calling the shots ... it's the TV Sports networks
that will dictate how all this eventually shakes out.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Is there another big-league conference (NOT like the C-USA or Mid-American) loaded with teams that:
1. don't draw 60,000 fans for every home game
2.that are academic powerhouses that restricts their talent pool
3.private as opposed to state-funded
4. located in urban or suburban cities as opposed to college towns?
It's a very weird situation being in the ACC, especially with Notre Dame hanging out for basketball money. In fact, isn't the ACC primarily a basketball conference with football being second in fan interest but making money for their members?
The ACC is kind of a mixed bag. UNC and Duke are actually the only schools which basketball makes more money than football. There are six "football first" schools (FSU, Clem, Miami, NC State, UVA & VaTech)-- where the schools place an emphasis on their football programs. I'm sure the many of the remaining teams make more from football, but aren't "football first". Louisville may be an exception.
Football is responsible for 75% of an athletic department's budget, even at UNC and Duke.
@@haledwards4642 I would have sworn that basketball contributes more that 25% at those schools, especially schools like Kentucky and UConn. I'm not financial genius, but where do I go for the actual information on who's making money at basketball?
@@TeachinTV If it's a public school, check with the athletic department. All of the major conferences are making money at basketball. Football just pays the freight for the other twenty-five NCAA sanctioned sports on campus.
If the BIGXII gets the right teams, could boost revenue next contract. The benefit of the BIGXII is we have fox and espn.
Dont think the NC Legislature will saddle UNC with NC State. State will join the BIG 12.
Tennessee grade - love your content
Good video JT, one question though: why do you believe ND wants to preserve the ACC? If you assume FSU and Clemson exit, even though that significantly lowers the value of the ACC for ESPN, it does not literally kill the ACC. So ND would be stuck with the existing agreement or joining the ACC; remember, they promised if they ever joined a conference it would have to be the ACC. Wouldn't they do better in the B1G? Why weren't they among the Magnificent 7?
Go Noles!
They got what they needed from CFP to remain independent and they owe Stanford and Cal a debt. Also recent comments by Jack Swar
It just amazes me how some people think a chunk of schools are going to go to the XII simultaneously.
About like those who think the bigger named schools are headed to the B1G while the SEC gets crumbs. 🥴
Clemson and NCSU/VA Tech aren't crumbs. The B1G gets UNC/FSU/ND
@@unc0mm0n2 I didn't say that. There have been posts saying B1G gets FSU, Clemson, NC, Va., ND, etc. while SEC gets Memphis, UCF, etc..
You can't say that's not comparing apples to hubcaps.
Let's see in the last TWO years the Big 12 added BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston. Then added Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State and Utah. Where have you been slim?
@@simon2077 & in 2024, the SEC is adding Texas & Oklahoma.
The people in the comments are saying the XII take 6+ in 1 swoop. You honestly think that'll happen as, per you, they JUST ADDED 4?
This sounds pretty accurate. As a Virginia fan, it pains me to see a once proud conference on its knees. John Swofford is the devil
B1G is not 80% for new teams. They are partial shares for 7 years at the same amount of their current league. Rutgers has tried to be B1G at 12M a year. Maryland increased their debt by 100% over the partial paid years. Only USC and UCLA get full shares right away.
Yeah, they think a big windfall is coming, but Fox isn't breaking the bank to add schools to the media deal.
I'm having trouble understanding what you meant there, but Rutgers gets more than 12 million a year now? Closer to 70, I think. Again, maybe I missed what you were saying....
You don’t know what you talking about
Does anybody remeber that FSU used to be an all girls schools ??? It was.
Never understood why Louisville was not in the SEC. I know UK doesn’t want them in. You got AL/Aub, Miss/Miss St, Vandy/TN.
It's the same reason FSU isn't in the SEC. It's all politics. The University of Florida gets the lion's share of publicity in their state as does UK in Kentucky because of their preferred position in the SEC.
@@haledwards4642 disagree with the FSU point. That had nothing to do with politics. The SEC wanted FSU but Bobby Bowden single handed didn’t want to go against the SEC gauntlet. At that time he had it made in the ACC.
@@dougbusing8914 The SEC would never have taken FSU if Florida was adamantly opposed. Florida, I believe, was adamantly opposed.
@haledwards4642 They were "unofficially" invited. You don't publicly do it unless it has already been accepted. Bowden did not want it as the path to a natty was harder. They did get their natty, and it was a short-term good decision. Long-term, for money, would accepting the invite been a better move? IDK. I suppose it hinges on whether they are able to escape the ACC contract without losing too much $, including the lost revenue to date versus what they would have been making as an SEC member over the last couple decades.
@@mljrotag6343 I would love to see proof that the University of Florida was and is agreeable to the admission of FSU to the SEC. If Florida is against FSU's admission, it won't happen.
ND is the most valuable prize for Big Ten or SEC. They have permanent Big Ten invite, so they don't have any need for action. They will just wait until the ACC dies before joining the new power conferences.
I was hearing rumours on some of the ND podcasts that their AD was seriously now considering joining the B1G because it makes more sense now that NBC is associated with them. It would be a lot easier to grandfather their deal into the B1G now and I am sure they see the writing on the wall when it comes to the CFP.
I don't think ND is as valuable to the SEC who seems content in the South as they are to the B1G an at some point you need to ask yourself how big are these conferences willing to get like as unlikely as it may seem if the B1G went after UVA UNC and FSU and was forced to take maybe Stanford or Miami would they still be interested in farther expansion ... I do agree that if ND made a move sooner rather than later they would be welcomed into the B1G with open arms I think ND an FSU could be very valuable as a pair both have massive football brands an I think that makes more sense than what we're hearing about the B1G might wanting UVA and UNC but I still think ND needs to get the ball rolling
@@ddcs0sNotre Dame is the only school named in the B1G media deals escalation clause, so the money is agreed upon and in writing to add them. FSU or any other ACC schools would need Fox to bump up the current media deal and they just did that last year, I would expect the same that Wa/Or got, half shares till the next media deal.
Notre Dame doesn't want that though. Notre Dame has zero interest in seeing the ACC die, and Notre Dame doesn't want to join a confrence. ACC fits all their other sports besides hockey more, ACC has a culture which alligns with Notre Dame more than the B10, and more teams being swallowed up by the B10 and SEC makes it all the more likely that Notre Dame will eventually be forced into giving up their independence. Notre Dame is the most prominent backer the ACC has.
@@irvinglambert9316 Notre Dame won't have a choice in the end. Money always wins. Not 3 weeks ago people were saying the ACC and Big 12 would never agree to the SEC and B1G terms and here we are. Money talks and bullshit walks. ND can say what they want now they are already exploring their escape plan I am sure and they will go to remain competitive. The money the B1G and SEC get will son dwarf theirs and make them noncompetitive. They are probably the ones that will be packaged with FSU to go to the B1G to get to 20 and then the SEC take the other best 4 and the rest join the Big 12 until the next round of expansion when the contracts need to be negotiated in 2030-2032 and then there will be probably two 24 team conferences by then and then the rest. Inflation is not going anywhere so this is pretty much the consolidation of the best brands Nationally to take college football through the high inflation era. Much like Chicago before the Great Depression where if you didn't have a big stadium build in the Raring 20s you got left behind. Same will happen 100 years later! If you are not in the Big 2 by 2032 you will be the left behind.
Finally, an ACC fan with common sense speaking truth. Good show. Good luck.
Appreciate. 🤝🤜🤛
Nobody gets into the Big Ten with a full share. Each school has to buy into their ownership of the Big Ten Network. It just depends on how they do it.
Either you a: you are financially stable enough to just take a smaller cut your first few years until you have paid in or b: You are taking the UCLA option as are coming in broke and get what is essentially a loan equal to where you ar getting a full share but you are getting the same reduced revenue split as the other new members but are being loaned your buy in revenue with the caveat of needing to pay the current members back to cover that loan once you get financially stable with a few years of Big Ten revenue.
Also, I think of the ones in those tiers; the one who could possibly have a shot at getting bumped up a tier is Georgia Tech. I can see them being attractive enough to snatch a Big Ten invite if the Big Ten ends up looking for a school to balance the numbers. Or if NC State ends up not being forced on them in a package with the Tarheels.
IMagine if Notredame decided it had enough of the ACC and voted to jump, after they made them a non full but voting member.
The ACC should not have allowed Notre Dame into the conference under those conditions, either you totally join the conference or you don’t join at all.
Eff Notre Dame
ND is gone
Good show today. However, you didn't speak about the exit fees. If the conference doesn't dissolve, all are on the hook to pay the $500+ Mio exit fees. FSU, Clemson, and UNC, with the money they will receive from the P2, they can afford to leave. The others can't afford that penalty. Another reason we must vote to dissolve the conference.
It's in the middle of media deals for the B1G and SEC and outside Notre Dame I don't see any new additions getting full shares till the next media deal for each conference. Seems a lot of fans are thinking this would be an instant windfall for their schools, but it's not going to be like that.
@@troywest7045 USC got a full share. Any Top 10 school in viewership is getting a full share.
The exit fee is $140m. The Grant of Rights is where it gets expensive.
The fact one of the most storied and successful conferences is being pulled apart is mind boggling. Student athletes are the losers. ACC schools support 28 mens/womens sports on less money than the SEC supports 21 combined sports. This has been common knowledge for quite some time. The answer should be all schools competing against each other does so with the same amount of money. I find it comical the fans of these schools/conferences take pride in the fact they are able to beat other teams working with much less resources. A little late now with the SEC/Big 10 additions coming in but all of the other schools across the country should have banded together and told the 'Big 2' and ESPN to go screw theirselves!
This should have been done 50 years ago but the NCAA and greedy universities continued to use their players as a source of cheap slave labor. Since they are being forced to eventually pay them their fair share of the TV revenue they generate for their greedy universities, consolidation of the most valuable players and schools was inevitable because they want to maximize their value and revenue.
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The Big Ten has had eyes on Miami with FSU and Clemson. The media viewers and recruiting areas for south Florida.
UofL is rank 23rd in sports earnings, so my question is how much would that need to increase to be worthy of a b10 or sec invite, or do you think that for them revenue isnt the problem?
Be willing to take 90% payout indefinitely, until their TV numbers justify full 100%
@@CFBAddiction 90% would still be way more than they get now, and the prestige of a better league for football.
The victories helped FSU place 15th among all schools in the country for athletic revenue as they generated $161.1 million dollars per USA Today. They rank 2nd in earnings amongst ACC schools (Virginia was ranked 14th with $161.9 million). The only other ACC schools ranked in the top 25 were Clemson (17th) and Louisville (23rd).
UVA ranks above FSU according to this article.
Virginia did a good job, but if fsu had been in the big10 or sec during this time period, they leap frog and go way higher. FSU potential is limited by being the top team in the ACC, as opposed to having Ohio state Michigan penn state etc. FSU pulls in massive tv rating compared to Virginia yet gets paid similar amounts from the conference
OSU Buckeyes fan. Crazy to think Miami and UVA (possible B1G expansion candidates) could be left out
I think there is this grey area in between where a teams financials and viewership is closer to BIG10/SEC than it is to BIG12/ACC. These teams can be a net positive to the BIG10/SEC at a permanent reduced rate (think like 80%), with the ability to earn 100% only if their worth meets certain thresholds.
@@biggpete100 FSU is more valuable by every metric.
@@CFBAddiction reacting before I finished the video. Interesting to see if UNC and/or NCSU react next against the ACC in the ongoing legal troubles with FSU & Clemson vs. ACC(4 cases not combined in any fashion yet just for simplicity sake)
@@roris5882 they sure weren’t valued much in early December though, were they? 😅
@biggpete100 Like Miami fans actually go to the stadium to watch the home games. It is a deserted stadium.
NC State and UNC are a package deal, but I would not call State “little brother.” State is a more valuable football program. Must be looking at basketball too
If NC and NC St are joined together Just give NC St a significant discount on the revenue. That's gonna happen to existing teams in the B1G and SEC eventually. Hello Vanderbelt...
At some point the issue is less about payouts and more about the number of teams in a conference it effects scheduling and voting and neither the SEC or B1G powers that be will be willing to give two votes to programs joined at the hip who can offset their own vote and if you have a set number in mind of how many programs you want let's say it's 20 are you really prepared to give 2 of those spots to a single sports market ... Honestly the best thing would be an agreement with everyone where NSCU goes to the SEC and UNC goes to the B1G because if that situation doesn't figure itself out both schools will be passed on it's the same with UVA and VT up in VA nobody wants both of them they want one or the other ... What's working in FSU and Clemson's favor is neither are tied to another ACC program Miami is in FL but that's a private school
I'm willing to bet, no team outside of Notre Dame gets a full share in the B1G or SEC in the middle of the media deals. Half shares will be the ceiling, but that's not the floor.
@@ddcs0s didn’t even think about the voting aspect. That TOTALLY makes sense! Great point!
That is what the governing body that runs both UNC and NCSU don't want to happen. If UNC gets P2 money then NCSU gets it too.
@@troywest7045 An I would take that bet with a smile on my face because in the case of both FSU and Clemson you have a program that would generate more money than the yearly payout an the TV networks would make a deal giving them a full share to either protect their market interests or expand their footprint in a significant way
I live in NC and the local tv station had a story in which they asked a member of the NC legislation about conference realignment,he said UNC and NC State being state schools are tied together
They'll do great in the big 12
The same was said for awhile about Oklahoma and Oklahoma St., lol
Calling unc big brother to NC State is funny as NC State is a bigger school and a much better FB program
Then NC's BOG should approve UNC to move to the B1G so NC St has a prayer to get into the SEC because they both aren't getting into the same Super 2 Conference. They can continue playing a yearly non-con game against each other, if it's so important to them.
I've been saying the same thing for the past 14 yrs and people still don't believe me.
What's good, CFA? Miami checking in.
I also think they get rid of the NIL and give kids portion of the pie base on what string you are
The ACC. Better Football Programs than the Big 10. Better Basketball Programs than the Big 10.
The ACC. Smaller alumni bases that the Big 10.
That’s lol college sports is anymore.
Why don’t they get rid of all conferences and make 6 new conferences pick a couple commissioners and have them pick schools like pickup basketball and that’s your conference and have trades maintaining the best competition
I think FSU, Clemson, UNC, & NCSU will be the first to leave. I think UVA, Miami, VT, & GT have a shot at leaving too. Rest are screwed. I do think a package of UNC/NCSU is attractive though - UNC is a national brand and ncsu is a top 25 most valuable brand as well plus they’ve averaged higher viewership numbers in football than UNC and both schools have great bball as a bonus too. NC market would be a huge get for either P2 conference and they’d be getting 2 very solid programs.
Yea I'm a huge NCSU fan and I'm proud of the boys winning the acc in bball, but it's time to jump ship. The ACC is finished NCSU and UNC need to put the rivalry aside and leave together shoulder to shoulder and join the SEC or the Big 10
NCSU and UNC are tied together but that's not what the fan bases want...Let NCSU go to the SEC and UNC to the BIG...its a better cultural fit for both...of this were to be presented I would hope the NC legislature would agree but stipulate each school must play on yearly on a home & home schedule in every sport.
Curious how you got NCSU as a top 25 most valuable brand? Most lists have them in the 40s. Don’t take it the wrong way, I’m rooting for them. Just have never seen that and am curious
You literally just regurgitated what the man in the video said. Good analysis though.
NCSU is not more valuable than Va. Tech. The only way they get to P2 before Tech is because of piggybacking off UNC
If UNC sues the ACC individually, imo the SEC selects them and Clem at a 75% share each, but, if NCSU joins UNC in the lawsuit, both join the SEC at the same rate. I think more potential money would be in monopolizing NC rather than SC. Clem heads to B1G with 75% share until the next media deal.
Yeah, nobody outside of Notre Dame is getting more than a half share in the B1G deal the next media deal in 2030. That's if Fox even agrees to bump it up again, they did that a year ago and they said they were tapped out till 2030. They obviously aren't going to bump it even more than last time, the Ceiling is a half share.
I'm willing to bet neither ESPN or Fox pays anymore than to cover half shares till the next media deal. The only exception is Notre Dame who is the one and only team named in the B1G escalation clause in the media deal. Fox already bumped up the media deal less than a year ago and they wouldn't be thrilled about doing it again, much less paying even more to give some school a 3/4 share. Besides Clemson is more of a SEC school and they might have more luck getting ESPN to give more than a half share.
When it comes down to it..... Sankey will be the one for the SEC who will lay before the SEC members of which schools are the ones that will benefit the SEC Conference... So , no one really knows how it will fall !!!
I’m not so sure that it hasn’t already been worked out for when the time comes. We’ll see how it works out.
I’m a Louisville fan. I would love to go to the SEC or B1G but I know we won’t get that invite. We’re not an AAU and not a big brand. Our brand has been demolished with the bball scandals and Kenny Payne running us further into the ground. Nobody wants us.
Louisville will be fine, just getting started with that new coach.
UNC is consistently overrated as a football school -- not only do they underperform on the field, they also lag in attendance for their home games. This is a school that reduced its seating capacity, and still has visiting schools like VT, NC State and Clemson turn trips there into virtual home games in Chapel Hill. Meanwhile, on the other side of town at NC State, their stadium is always full and their fanbase rabid for football. Yes, UNC is the big dog in hoops, but that is simply not the case in football, and it is football that is driving the conference moves.
Exactly NCSU runs the state of NC and that's just fact
The state of North Carolina college football rarely if ever has a top tier national caliber team.
You're spot on. Vt is in good shape because of tv viewership numbers. I didn't see what nc state's numbers were but I'd imagine they're better than unc. But you are correct about attendance. When I've traveled to away games (vt) , at unc /uva / wake etc. there are more hokie fans than home fans. Honestly the teams that are holding it together are clemson fsu nc st vt . Unc just isn't relevant in football and miami is a shadow of its former self.
Add one more thing, over half of the fans in NC hate UNC as they are NCSU/Duke/ECU and even Appy ST fans. UNC is a national brand but I am not sure they even carry half the state of NC fans for football.
UNC is considered a national brand, NCSU is not. That is why they are considered the bigger get. I'm not a fan of either, but that is the reality of what the Big10 and SEC view as the merits of going after UNC as the main target in North Carolina.
The whole premise of this is wrong. It takes more than a majority to dissolve the ACC. 🙄
A couple of points 1) Both UVA and VT are connected by the Commonwealth of Va, they will not be allowed by the governor, general assembly and attorney general to move without the other. this is TOTALLY BI PARTISAN. Virginia market is huge, and no brand will be allowed in here without the other. We own the DC market. 2) We dont think much of stuff out of florida with crazies from descantis group. they are crazy has hell. The state of North Carolina and the Commonwealth are mid Atlantic not florida.
But both states still vote for crazy Trump loons like florida.
The B1G is already in the DC TV market via Maryland. Why do people act like College Park isn't the only P4 university in the DMV? Maryland has the best TV ratings out of all three schools. Most B1G alums, like myself, live in Northern VA and not across the state. If UVA can't move without VT, then there's no pathway to the B1G for the time being for either.
Assuming that it stays that way, then the VA schools can be a basis of the surviving ACC. When the ACC expanded, it was the State of VA that forced VaTech into the ACC.
@@observer466 I agree. I think the ACC can survive with UVA, Wake Forest, VT, Boston College, GT, SMU, Stanford, Cal, Washington State, Oregon State, USF, and Tulane. Maybe Cuse stays if they don't get a Big 12 invite and brings UConn over to the new ACC.
I believe that the Virginia AG stated that neither school should do anything to harm the other. I do not believe that they are joined at the hip when it comes to realignment.
You know what you're not an idiot okay well you're saying is right what you're saying is true about the whole entire ACC they might have to take a huge pay cut to let for State go and Clemson go and maybe NC State in North Carolina you're not wrong you're not an idiot I agree with you as a huge Florida State fan I'm going to say it again I agree with you college football Addiction .?
Yes, the FSU fans think this is a great idea! lol
@@lawrenceksyahoocom that's why I'm trying to say I absolutely agree I think we need to leave the ACC because it's nice and face the fact Florida state has won how many conference for the ACC I believe it's 19 conference titles and they're telling me when all those titles ain't good enough for them to get any money or anything like that for them to treat my Florida State team like that as a FSU fan that's dead wrong Florida State Fair for 20 1/2 years and I know it's dead wrong 39 so make that maybe still about maybe close to 30 years but still dead wrong .?
I understand why FSU wants to leave if they've got a deal with B1G or the SEC. I don't understand why the rest of the ACC would want to blow up the conference before June 30th. @@joshuanazworth-vy5mt
So why do you think ESPN will allow Fox in on these Teams?
If FSU / Clemson get out, via lawsuits, so could the others.
Sec should get unc and nc state and uva and VT big ten should go Clemson Florida state
I no longer believe the ACC is going to dissolve! From what Miami and North Carolina’s AD’s said recently, it sounds like ALL the remaining teams want to stay in the ACC. Hopefully FSU and Clemson can get the hell out SOON!
We can’t wait to get out dude. The ACC is terrible. FSU and Clemson are sick of carrying everyone else. Have fun never winning a championship or being on tv again.
Just a reminder that several PAC ADs said they fully supported the PAC within a week of voting to leave the conference. What ADs say and what they will do for the good of their programs are very different things.
Not exactly on the same subject, but similar…When Nick Saban knew he was a terrible NFL coach, already had a deal signed with Alabama, then proceeded to scream at the media…” I AM NOT GOING TO ALABAMA!” No one remembers that, but it was classic 😂
This is for you @kmlammto
Thats why they rushed to have those team join the ACC to help fight the unavoidable
I think it's all speculation about any interest in UNC. Their football stadium is small and their fans don't fill it. They had to downsize their stadium recently. Also, a couple of months ago people were claiming UNC and Duke were a package deal. Now people are claiming UNC and NC State are a package deal. No one has put forth a solid reason why UNC would be more attractive than NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech to the SEC or Big 10.
I quit worrying about all this crap. I will watch VT football every Saturday regardless of where they are. They played for a national championship in 2000. Granted, things are much different now but Vt is still a national brand. So, I'll sit back and let the money-mongers figure it out and keep watching VT football like I have since 1968.
NOW That was a dirty move You Asked our affiliation yesterday & today you’re gonna rip my heart out😮
Just wanted to say that‼️Starting video now SMH
#LsUp
I think you guys make it in at reduced rate. Those reduced rate offers are going to come eventually and they will be far more than ACC/BIG1 (think of like 80% of the payout). If you ever pull yourself into an additive for them, you hit 100% from that point forward
Don’t worry, the FSU addiction guru knows nothing. All opinions courtesy of the FSU lawyer.
FSU going to B1G, full membership, ND will follow, Miami maybe BIG, or BiG 12, not sure about Clemson, UNC probably SEC
The only team with an open invite is Notre Dame, since they are the one and only school listed in the B1G media deals escalation clause. No other ACC schools will get more than a half share. If you think Fox is paying out full shares in the middle of the media deal, then you're not paying attention. Fox bumped up the media deal less than a year ago to add Wa/Or and they said publicly that they are tapped till 2030. Maybe they would change their minds, but the most you can hope for is what Wa/Or got. This isn't the huge financial windfall you think it's going to be.
Is FSU going to the big 10 at a discount similar to Washington?
Probably not because Fox, CBS, and NBC want the B1G expanding their national footprint into the state of Florida for the recruiting benefits. So I see FSU joining the B1G as a full-share member. Plus the B1G has the academic influence to help FSU get voted into the AAU, like they desperately want. So it's a win, win, win for everyone.
@@roris5882well except for half share Washington and Oregon….
Seems a great way to build upon an already great cohesive conference. Salute!
Since it's in the middle of a media deal yes, till 2030. I know most fans don't want to hear it, but that's the best case scenario. Fox just bumped up the media deal and they made it publicly known that they would rather not do that again, but even if they say no, the B1G could just find a new media partner to sell those games too, maybe Apple TV or something similar. I think they could get enough money to be close to half shares, it sucks, but it's just till 2030 then it's full shares
Ah ok, thanks Troywest7045
Big12 Brett Yormark will offer ND a Acc type deal. Big12 might have to add Stanford to get ND.
No way the BIG 12 gets ND ever... If they go to a conference it will be BIG 10 or SEC but. Most likely BIG 10
@@MrTdubb641 He didn't say the Big 12 was going to get ND. He said they'd give ND an ACC-type deal, i.e. that they'd allow ND to park their non-football sports there. The Big Ten and SEC aren't going to allow that.
North Carolina and Duke are not gonna split due to basketball wherever one goes the other is gonna go 😂
ND would abstain from voting! Where will ND football go?
Miami wants to leave, Who is NC St. and where Clemson go. what is Fla. St. as football program? Have won anything except media vote for National Championships in 1993(Thanks Bowden)
I do believe you’re wrong that Notre Dame would vote no to dissolve the conference. From my understanding NBC is pushing for more B1G matchups for them. That’s where the ratings and viewership value is for ND and not with ACC matchups. I believe even if the want to stay independent it makes sense for them to vote to dissolve the ACC and that frees FSU, Clemson, UNC, etc to the power 2 and gives ND leverage to at least negotiate favorable scheduling agreements with the power 2 that appeases NBC to give ND money to stay independent. Think about being at the negotiating table at least being able to say thanks to my vote to end the ACC the B1G/SEC got their expansion schools without long legal battles and exit fees. In my opinion the power 2 and even the Big 12 would happily schedule those quality ND matchups for years and keeping NBC happy.
Nah, they have no interest in dissolving the ACC currently. Their ADs recent comments make it clear and the CFP negotiation results bought them a few more years.
@@CFBAddiction You mean the AD who is being replaced very soon by none other than the chair of NBC Sports?! One who the university is choosing to replace not choosing to retire from what I read. Perhaps because his thoughts don’t align with everyone else…maybe something like the UNC AD who doesn’t seem aligned with what others want in North Carolina.
We (Big 12) are not taking more than 4 teams 🏈
That makes sense to me.
I would- need more teams on the east for the teams that are on the east
Big 12 takes whatever it will need to survive.
Big12 will be G5 soon
@paulclifton655 I disagree with your take for several reasons. First, the Big 12 will never be a G5 conference simply because if they were to become a lower tier conference it would no longer be G5, it would be G6 or 7 (LOL). But seriously and realistically they will be the halfway in between the P2 (SEC/BIG 10) and the G5 schools.
It is a game of musical chairs. When the music stops who gets a seat?.
Everyone going to get a seat. If their seat was being supplemented by teams far more valuable than they were, they are likely to find themselves at a different table.
@CFBAddiction there is only 2 tables, SEC or Bug 10..the way I see it 48 to 64 football schools, not considering basketball or other sports. With next year's additions,, the total is 34 I believe, that leaves 14 school for 48 and or 30 schools for 64 via for the invite to these leagues. There are low teams in Big 10 and SEC, vandy, Indiana, illinois,Rutgers, Maryland, South Carolina, UCLA etc that are bottom feeders in football. It is a race to see who gets then next 14 seats at the pig trough of money. In addition, NCAA institutional control of athletics needs to be vacatated.
You are lying 🤥, so those teams vote the for what is the easiest way out for FSU. The Big 12 will take Pitt & Va Tech for football 🏈, but the others are Basketball 🏀 only.
As of right now, the B12 is not in the crosshairs of the Big media but they will be and most likely will end up being a mid level regional conference just like the ACC can be and the Pac can be. It all depends on how big media wants to structure their "minor leagues."
Wake Cyuse BC are the teams that are not safe. Duke, GT, Louisville Miami are going to be fine
FSU should not be a full member
Who is to say that the P2 does not use the Big 12 as a filter for membership in the future?
That is the exact plan based on the new CFP contract. Farm conference
Syracuse would to disband if they have a place to go stop short sideing Syracuse they r the biggest university in New York
The Big12 is a basketball conference and they are a basketball skool.
@@roris5882 pay attention to the new coach football might be back soon. This guy is recruiting at an all time high for Syracuse six commits in the last two weeks for 2025 class already
The ACC grant of rights does not disappear if the conference dissolves. This has been discussed multiple times on other content creators.
This is incorrect. If the conference dissolves, the media deal dissolve and the GOR is tied directly to the media deal. They simply don’t know what they are talking about if they have claimed this
@CFBAddiction I tend to agree with the claims that the GOR doesn't go away just because a majority of the members vote to dissolve the conference. Otherwise why hasn't this been done a long time ago?
All I'm gonna point out is that last off-season the rumors were that the B1G wanted Miami, that wasn't leaked for no reason
...and $7.00 will get you a Starbuck coffee...
Miami action spoke as to where the future will be.
The only people saying that Miami wouldn't be a valued member of the B1G are fans of schools currently outside the B1G. As a PSU alum, trust me, we'd love Miami even ahead of Clemson. Our fan bases love to travel and we already have a large population of B1G alums in Miami. Only the diehards want to go to Death Valley in the fall.
I call BS ... FSU an Clemson are making moves because they really have been talking to other conferences ... Everyone else is crying about it because their not sure what that'll mean for their future ... If Miami had been smart they would have voted against the ACC lawsuit against FSU and sat down with people at FSU and asked what FSUs plan was and if there was the possibility of them tagging along because FSU obviously wouldn't have risked loosing at least 500M leaving the ACC not knowing if they had a offer to go somewhere else and with how communication between them and ESPN has broken down it's kind of obvious they have a B1G offer ... Miami should have gotten behind FSU not in front of them
@@biggpete100Pipe dream? Really? FSU was #7 in viewership last year. Viewership is the new currency of college football. Miami was #32, behind #31 Louisville. There are only two Top 10 teams not in the P2, FSU and Notre Dame. Either one would get snapped up in a second if they became available. And Miami is an FSU market.
@biggpete100 But yet here you are, commenting on his site. Don't like it, go elsewhere.
Louisville should be a pro in realignment by now.
I think almost everything here makes sense except your valuation of NC State. Yes they would probably stay with UNC in a conference move, but in terms of overall athletics, they are easily a top 4 ACC school. Arguably the 3rd biggest football brand currently, and a good basketball program with deep history would definitely make them a strong candidate for either P2 conference even without UNC
NC ST. ‘3rd biggest football brand’? That gave me a big laugh today. Thanks!
You make more sense herre today than most. ACC is a trap and the B12 will be the launch conference for tge B2.
The B1G really only would take only two teams, SEC only 4 so their leagues money isn't spread too thin. The BIG12 has no interest going beyond 20 teams so their limited to 4, with the exception of basketball only schools. That leaves 7 schools without a home...hello G5
3 divisions;
WEST
CENTRAL
EAST
Sorry but I don't think that those six teams will not get an invitation to either the Big 10 or the SEC, but the Big12 will take four of them. Now when Miami joins the Big12 all football games between Miami and Oklahoma State should be called the Jimmy Johnson classic seeing how he coached at both schools.
I think there is this grey area in between where a teams financials and viewership is closer to BIG10/SEC than it is to BIG12/ACC. These teams can be a net positive to the BIG10/SEC at a permanent reduced rate (think like 80%), with the ability to earn 100% only if their worth meets certain thresholds.
@@CFBAddiction but one can make the same argument for say Oklahoma State seeing how they are stronger than average football, baseball, softball, wrestling, CC. They are also number 5 in total National Championships with 53.
@@CFBAddiction 80%? Who's paying that? Fox isn't paying that! FoX said they were tapped after bumping up the media just last year to add Wa/Or, they aren't going to break the bank to add any ACC schools. Notre Dame in case you didn't know doesn't have to worry about that because they are the one and only school in the B1G media deals escalation clause. This isn't going to be a big financial windfall for ACC schools going to the B1G, they will essentially be making the same they did in the ACC, till the next media deal in 2030.
Why would FSU, NC, NCST, CLEM., VT, MIAMI, VA consider going to the BIG10 over the SEC? All of their rivals are in the South. IS FSU going to go to the Big 10 and not play Fla. Anymore? Is Clem. Going to the Big 10 and not playing SC anymore? The SEC is a much better league than the Big 10. I hope the SEC hooks up all of the manif. 7 and goes to 24 teams. To hell with the operated Big 2 I mean Big 10.
Sounds like an FSU selling point? I mean the rest of the conference is not as desperate, but Top 3 brands should definitely be desperate and even gnaw off their arm to get free from ACC
I could see GT voting to dissolve the ACC, and I could also see GT getting into the Big 12
It's a possibility, but they're way down that list. GT has to be pro active and jump first like Colorado in order to secure a spot in the B12. Otherwise, they're left out.
Lol
GT could get in the Big 12 at a non discount share, but they have to reach out like VT and NC State already have. GT would be a good travel partner for UCF in Orlando. Sounds crazy but if I was Yormark I'd try to add VT, Louisville, UConn and the team that most wants in the conference between Pitt, GT, Duke. I don't see the Big 12 taking anymore than 4 more. Big 20. I know I know UConn sounds nuts, but they are about to surpass Kansas winning their 6th MBB National Championship. Kansas had trash FB too, but not anymore. With the proper financial support they lie in a hotbed for recruiting in the NYC market in ESPN's backyard.
They don't have to go together. The BOG will not allow one to gain an unfair advantage in funding from conference realignment. NC State and UNC could land in either the SEC or B1G independently.
NC State will not be going to the B10. Don't have the market or the academics.
If the NC BOG doesn't want either one of them to have a financial advantage over the other then why don't they just cancel their revenue generating sports or just allow them to become irrelevant in the Big12 (G-8 League)?
@@brothermouzone1307. Yikes, NCST has better academics than some of the B1G members already. Should have said that NCST doesn’t have AAU. That would be an accurate statement.
@jansonroberts2616 No, they are not. NCST does spend wnough money on football and their academics is not strong enough for AAU status.
The only member of the B10, not an AAU member, is the University of Nebraska. Why, I don't know?
The way to understand the game: University Presidents want to be number 1 in everything, not just sports or academics.
Sidebar: People do not understand the amount past, present and future FSU is making to become an AAU member.
Everyone believes the gold standard is the B10. The gold standard is the Ivy League. I believe the B10 is using them as a North star.
@@brothermouzone1307 NC State is a Tier 1 research university ranking #60 in the US News rankings. That ranking is tied with Mich State and Penn State and better than Nebraska Iowa and Indiana. Academics at NC State is good enough for AAU status if they wanted to pursue it.
why not desolve the acc and have all the schools be independent?
Because no team other than N Dame can survive financially as independents.
@@RichardBoudrot-oz6gb why?
I hate to say it like this , but everyone looks at the state of a particular sport in the decision these conferences like the Big 10 or SEC, they look at much more but the 2 biggest factors isn’t even the sport ITS THE MARKET AND ACADEMICS. The end of the day , you can’t have sports unless you have Academics and if you can throw in the Market as a Boost, it’s Golden. Everyone has written off GT and Duke, unfortunately for those people, don’t be surprised GT and Duke will in fact end up in Big 10 or the SEC. You heard it here first and it’s happening right before everyone’s eyes. There has been numerous reports from the Big 10 that Georgia Tech especially and Duke that are wanted by multiple schools within the Conference. (End being GT, Duke, UNC, Clemson, FSU, NC State, UVA end up in Big10/SEC is almost a guarantee at this point. Now Miami, Pitt, VT are either or. big 12 will pick up Syracuse, Wake, SMU, Cal, Stanford. ND ends up in BiG10 by the end of it all.