Nobody at that time was asking for easy fights, they got paid in coupons pretty much and they lost money and time to develop techniques and training programs for the newer generations to crap on by ducking people and wanting easy paths to the title 😂
Still think he should do one more. The fight against Tito was a lucky win of Tito because Chuck had to cut weight. Chuck should move to heavyweight and fight Jon Jones, but Dana is to afraid of Jon losing so that’s why they don’t allow it.
The one thing that Chuck Liddell had was extreme counter striking once somebody threw a punch he knew how to counteract quickly also he had great wrestling defense
Chuck would match up very well against Jones. Jones's steroid use might literally be the one thing that could get him a win, because he was using one that helps with endurance, and Chuck's gas tank could run low. But otherwise, way better than Jones in striking - Jones couldn't hurt him with punches, or make him respect his power, elite wrestler and one of the best ever at stuffing and getting up for takedowns... solid eyepokes... a submission, or getting Chuck down a few times in the fight would be his most likely path to victory against Chuck.
You sir are a long time fan like myself. We used to throw parties anytime Chuck fought and invite yhe boys out. Those were the good ole days in my late 20s now im 44. 😅
Uh yeah, do you not understand what he was trying to say? All he said was that his legitimate reach is 79.5 but they listed it wrong at 76. Mix ups like that happen all the time with heights and reaches
@@3ncore706he literally DID say what they put in quotes. Okay, they were off by a word or two if you want to get technical. But that’s what he said, probably why they put it in quotes.
@@mbuck253 Wrong. Chuck said that his true legitimate reach is 79.5 which is basically 80, but they listed it as 76. Nothing about that statement was ridiculous in any way The other commenter was trying to frame it as if Chuck was saying something silly. All i did was correct him and tell him that people getting listed wrong happens all the time in the ufc
@@jakecollins4545First of, those guys are NATURALLY stronger than Jones. Second of, Tito never took Chuck down, or even came close. Rampage took Chuck down once, and Chuck got right back up. Randy was the only one who took prime Chuck down and kept him on the groun. Jones wouldn't be able to do that.
Chuck had more than just TDD, he could actually wrestle albeit he never did. Overseas a young skinny Overeem turned him into a wrestler to some effect.
Yeah hes been like this for awhile now. Sad man. U can't keep getting hit in the head your whole life or prime of your life and expect to come out clean. 😊
God bless Chuck he gave his soul to fighting and you can tell he still loves it and hes always wanted to fight the best never been one to dodge a fighter that stylistically was a bad matchup. Long live Iceman
@@sanzmarc07 MMA wrestling, not a straight up amateur match. Most of the American Guys that Jones has fought (Hamill, Bader, Sonnen, Rashad, DC) were high level wrestlers that he absolutely rag dolled.
It’s his fighting style of banging is what made him this way look at adesanya jon jones khabib gsp these dudes fought killers yet are still articulate and smart cuz they fought smart and don’t take much damage
Perhaps but let us not forget what an amazing fighter he was and he had outstanding take down defense. Would’ve loved to have seen that fight but I still wouldn’t bet against the 🐐 Jon Jones!
Great wrestlers had a DAMN HARD TIME trying to keep chuck on the ground! If coleman is the creator of ground and pound, Chuck created the sprawl and brawl. Fuckin legend!
Stop. Jones was able to take down DC multiple times. If you think Jones would have trouble taking Chuck down you're trippen lol Jones finishes Chuck in round 1
Prime Chuck was a monster. He was knocking everyone out. Even though he was a top tier wrestler. He only used it to get up. The guy always got up like it was nothing. On his feet he was a KO machine
These kids today don’t know how good he was. The fact he fought Overeem and Rampage in one night is nuts. I actually would have liked to see a prime Overeem vs Jon that would be interesting
@@mitocambrelen9544 Also his ground game was really good too and his reach size would have been an issue for Jon. Jon is smart it would have be a good one
Yeah....his chin was granite. He pretty much invented sprawl and brawl. That looping overhand punch he threw when he looked like he was actually shooting? You never see that anymore and it was a great weapon. Another Chuck punch you never see is the one where he sidestepped and took a little quarter turn to face people who over extended themselves and was clobbering them before they knew what happened. You never see either of those anymore. I would love to see prime Chuck fight Jones.
@@jonjohnson1978.Nothing wrong losing to prime Rampage, and as they say STYLES MAKES FIGHTS, Rampage was always a fighter, more of a street fighter, so Chuck who prefers keeping the fight standing most likely would lose to someone like Rampage. Jones wouldn't dare go toe to toe with those two
Reach advantage combined with a safety first running style is massively overlooked. Not saying fighters should change how they fight, but that we should recognise why some fighters had the success they did. Izzy is elite, but much of his success was due to his reach advantage vs his rivals. Got outstruck by Jan on the feet, Alex landed more than izzy in their fights, one time he abandoned his safety first reach merchant style vs gastelum and nearly got KOd by a B rated fighter. This is why when these type of fighters face someone their own size, they no longer look like the GOAT striker, they end up going life and death, like jj vs reyes, gustaffson, or izzy vs jan and alex. izzy, silva, gane etc usually stay on the end of their reach, refusing to take any risk. Breaking the shorter man down from where there is no threat of retaliation, before going in for the kill. The shorter fighter has to lunge in to connect and so are at a great disadvantage. Many fighters have had the success they had largely due to this advantage they had vs their rivals. The smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to overcome this, and even then, e.g with Rob vs izzy, its still very hard What blew my mind was when i looked at floyds record. Floyd had a monster reach for his divisions and the only people in his WHOLE career that had more reach than him were mgregory de la and Paul, and you saw how them went. Ducked anyone with reach like lara, margarito, Khan, Williams etc its no coincidence that fighters like floyd, izzy, jj etc hugely succesful, also had huge reach advantages vs their rivals and fought a reach merchant running style. Combat sport is littered with examples of the less skilled rangier fighter using reach to jab and hug and run to wins vs the more skilled smaller fighter. Recently aj vs ruiz, went to war and aj got whooped, then in the return, aj switched to jabbing hugging and running to an easy W. Usyk was too skilled for this. Usyk is goated. Duran vs Leonard 1, went to war, duran won Duran Leonard 2, Leonard used his reach advantage to run 🏃♂ to what was gonna be an easy victory until Duran quit as he wasn't there to play tag these fighters usually have boring fights because they fights a running defensive reach merchant fight, refusing to take any risk hiding behind reach to get the W. Anderson Silva was the same, Jon jones, great against the smaller guys with 85 reach, but when fighting his own size, like reyes gustaffson etc he arguably lost Its easier to fight defensively with a huge reach advantage but its much harder funking someone up taking a few risks. Speed power timing etc can be improved but reach cannot, and it can be decisive when paired with a defensive style. Khamzat was berated by his coach for going to war instead of using his reach adv to make it an easy fight. Smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to be successful, like a usyk, pac, tank, dc, canelo mike tyson etc Thankfully for us fans, not all fighters with reach fight like this, although they would be more successful if they did but the sport would be dead Izzy said it best himself when he said Costa will be easy as he has t rex arms and won't reach
So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God? EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father. These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make. So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate. GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time? EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel. Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind. And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king. GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time? EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor. And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel. And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was... Its truly mind blowing that despite theclear evidence the devil has mislead them away from Jesus true message, that he was a man sent by God, a prophet, preached to worship God alone, they remain ignorant 😔
@@fuuf7092 So you must have never heard of a slip, duck, shot, kick, grab. Also you said the reach advantage like it's rare for a shorter stocky fighter to win. Similar to the NBA MMA would have already trended towards a tall lanky body type by now after 30 years. The fact is there is no advantage, people just fight to their strengths. Mark Hunt and Roy Nelson murdered Stephen Struve. DC destroyed Bigfoot Silva. Kelvin Gastilem wrecked Izzy. Henry, DJ, Tai Tuivasa, Tyson, Tyron Woodley, Matt Serra, Sean Sherk.
@@fuuf7092 Michael Chandler, Faber, Dillashaw, Yoel Romero. Alexander Volkanaski!! Plenty of short guys do just fine. Khabib would likely be even better if he were shorter. The fact of the matter is all fighters are at an equal distance to each other at all times. Check the kick, grab the punch. The shorter fighter doesn't have to be super skilled either a double leg and an overhand works just fine.
No he wouldn’t! Dana should make this fight right now! The only reason Chuck lost against Tito in their last fight is because Chuck had a massive weight cut. It would actually be perfect to see Chuck vs Jon at heavyweight.
@@supergangstar1234 your knowledge of that fight game is literally ass. Both in their prime jones walks through chuck no problem. Chuck also go ko cold by evans and rampage so your theory about the whole massive weight cut ain’t valid
@࿘ COROA ࿗ more like your a complete idiot. There’s a reason why one of them a few losses in his career and the other has none besides a no contest. Clown
We will never know. But Chuck had great take down defense. Sprawl and brawl was real. Chuck makes a good point about Gustafson being able to hit Jon.. if he was able to chuck for sure would be able to.. if jones at all struggles to take chuck down.. he could get caught in a brawl and if you get hit by chuck.. lights out for sure. 👍👊 #IceMan
@@MaxxGains yes tf we do know lol Jones would beat the shit out of Chuck. If you think even Prime Chuck would give Jones a tougher fight then Alex and DC you're trippen 😂 if Jones took DC down whenever he would slam Chuck on his head. This fight wouldn't be close
@David Sturgeon you can have your opinion and that may be most people's opinion. Jones is one of the best if not the best to ever do it. Now I am a little biased because I was drawn into MMA and the UFC mostly because of Chuck Liddell. He was by far one of thee most influential figures that Boosted UFCs popularity. With his fighting style..Looks and Highlight reel KOs. With some classic celebrations. Now Sprawl and Brawl was awesome..and nobody did it better than Chuck. Chuck could take a lot of punches and had a one of thee best chins. He would walk through punches at different times in his career.. of course ad he got older and after so many street fights and MMA fights.. the chin does diminish. Which is what happened his last several fights. But to dismiss and count out a prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones would be absolutely foolish to think that Chuck couldn't land a KO blow to Jones. This is the thing.. Jones is a fairly creative striker.. but Jones never had the KO ability like Chuck did. Jones would have to go into the fight and be looking for the takedown. If Chuck was able to stuff Jones and keep the fight standing.. Jones would be the one at a disadvantage. and its possible.. Chuck has a wrestling background and was one of the best to defend takedowns in the history of the sport. Don't dismiss Chuck Liddell especially if you haven't done good research and watch some of his history. Go check out sprawl and brawl on youtube. It was kind of a fun video on Chuck. 👍
@@MaxxGains i grew up watching Chuck and him having more KO power doesn't mean shit lol Plenty of guys Jones faught were way better fighters then Chuck. And you really think Jones wouldn't take Chuck down when he took down an Olympian with ease and thats because DC started off as a HW. All that bs you wrote was for nothing lol you act like Jones can't hold his own against high level strikers. He held his own against guys like Gane who is a HW Rampage ,DC, Alexander, Reyes, Santos, Evans and TRT Vitor. Jones beats Chuck 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. I hate jones and think he's a cheater but he would tbag chuck if he really wanted too lol fuck out of here.
@@keithtowers4627 Yea even then he’s not knocking Jones out. Jones has been in there with guys with ridiculous power and never been knocked out. He’s barely been dazed.
Cain Valasquez? Wasn't he kinda at his peak while Jon was just getting started on cleaning out the LHW division, and doing picograms and coke 😂 I agree tho it b a banger!
@@thehorrorfamilyllc it was so close though, and Gus wasn't gouging out his eyes, and also that knee kick is just wrong to use, I don't respect the guy.
@@Brukner841 the first fight was super close. Hell of a fight! Rematch … not at all .. jones proved he’s the best over and over man. It’s not even debated at this point. As far as the kick, a lot of ppl don’t like it. BUT it’s legal. So until that changes 🤷🏻♂️
How does he match up well? Less reach, less height, less versatility, fought inferior competition. His record vs. Similar competition to Jones says it all. C'MON son!
Very few fighters will come out and just plain say "no thanks that guy would have whipped my ass". So I don't expect that from chuck here.... but Jon whips that ass.
Well Chuck has nothing to worry about. He would never be expected to back his talk up. Jon would look like an asshole for talking shit to Chuck over this.
Reach advantage combined with a safety first running style is massively overlooked. Not saying fighters should change how they fight, but that we should recognise why some fighters had the success they did. Izzy is elite, but much of his success was due to his reach advantage vs his rivals. Got outstruck by Jan on the feet, Alex landed more than izzy in their fights, one time he abandoned his safety first reach merchant style vs gastelum and nearly got KOd by a B rated fighter. This is why when these type of fighters face someone their own size, they no longer look like the GOAT striker, they end up going life and death, like jj vs reyes, gustaffson, or izzy vs jan and alex. izzy, silva, gane etc usually stay on the end of their reach, refusing to take any risk. Breaking the shorter man down from where there is no threat of retaliation, before going in for the kill. The shorter fighter has to lunge in to connect and so are at a great disadvantage. Many fighters have had the success they had largely due to this advantage they had vs their rivals. The smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to overcome this, and even then, e.g with Rob vs izzy, its still very hard What blew my mind was when i looked at floyds record. Floyd had a monster reach for his divisions and the only people in his WHOLE career that had more reach than him were mgregory de la and Paul, and you saw how them went. Ducked anyone with reach like lara, margarito, Khan, Williams etc its no coincidence that fighters like floyd, izzy, jj etc hugely succesful, also had huge reach advantages vs their rivals and fought a reach merchant running style. Combat sport is littered with examples of the less skilled rangier fighter using reach to jab and hug and run to wins vs the more skilled smaller fighter. Recently aj vs ruiz, went to war and aj got whooped, then in the return, aj switched to jabbing hugging and running to an easy W. Usyk was too skilled for this. Usyk is goated. Duran vs Leonard 1, went to war, duran won Duran Leonard 2, Leonard used his reach advantage to run 🏃♂ to what was gonna be an easy victory until Duran quit as he wasn't there to play tag these fighters usually have boring fights because they fights a running defensive reach merchant fight, refusing to take any risk hiding behind reach to get the W. Anderson Silva was the same, Jon jones, great against the smaller guys with 85 reach, but when fighting his own size, like reyes gustaffson etc he arguably lost Its easier to fight defensively with a huge reach advantage but its much harder funking someone up taking a few risks. Speed power timing etc can be improved but reach cannot, and it can be decisive when paired with a defensive style. Khamzat was berated by his coach for going to war instead of using his reach adv to make it an easy fight. Smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to be successful, like a usyk, pac, tank, dc, canelo mike tyson etc Thankfully for us fans, not all fighters with reach fight like this, although they would be more successful if they did but the sport would be dead Izzy said it best himself when he said Costa will be easy as he has t rex arms and won't reach.
This fight would be exactly the same as jones vs rampage, jones keeping him at arms length and then eventually finishing him, probably by knockout instead of submission
@@jikosauce not really. Rampage knocked Chuck out twice. Once in Pride and then to win the LHW title. Chuck was never the same after that second knock out from Rampage.
@@lawrencejohnson9154 that's a totally different fighter when they fight someone else and thats a bad logic when there's too many factors like the ground game to base how one fight went will decide the next fight. There's too many factors to go off how a day in he past went
He would give Jon a fight. But yeah he will not lose, Decision win for Jones. And I don't like him. But you can't deny what he has done in UFC regardless of drugs and actions outside the ring. No one is beating Jon
@Dylan Ok 👌 if Jones and Liddell come in the cage both prepared to their fullest just to stand and throw hands, in their prime then I got Chuck all day💯✌️
I wouldn’t expect anything else from a man with Chuck’s mentality. He’s a champion and an absolute warrior. You can’t be great without that kind of confidence. Sure, to the onlooker, that’s not confidence, it is delusion. No one believes chuck could win in a sanctioned fight with Jon, even if he was in his prime and Jon was a young 22 year old fighter. No one except Chuck.
Chuck the Ice Man Liddell , definitely one of my favorite fighters . The fact he also had a degree in accounting.He chose a much more difficult career in MMA . Much respect for this gentleman.
Chuck in his prime would get murdered by Jon Jones....some guys are just built different....hats off to the ice man but Bones beats anyone even Francis in that cage.....FACTS
Jones would not murder a prime chuck . I believe jones would still squeak a win but it wouldn’t be a mauling. However current chuck absolute no doubt first round
I'm far from convinced on bones beating Francis. Do I think Jones is the better over all fighter? Absolutely. However with that said, with Francis, it only takes one. Miocic has a well established history and pedigree in wrestling and by fight number 2 between Francis and stipe, miocic didn't take him down and control him as he had in their previous fight. I think Jones would get one of, if not the toughest challenge of his career. Too bad we will never get to see it happen cuz that would be a fight to see!
Chuck was like a movie character brought to life. He was just a legendary fighter. His star power in the game was Everything fighters should strive to be now.
Jones would destroy Chuck. CTE is slipping in and progressing rapidly. I see Chuck from time to time in our neighborhood. Hell, my son's best friend lives next door to Chuck. He's a great guy and never rude to anyone who approaches him. Chuck speech has declined over a 5-7 year period speaking to him. Sad to see.
Then you should be better with your answer if that's the case. Prime Chuck was a different animal. When Jones was up and coming, The Iceman was already a legend
@Gliese 581c The MMA game changes every 3 years. When Chuck was making his name, Chuck was one of the few with a boxing/striking coach. Now, every MMA fighter has a boxing coach in their toolbox!
Yeah I'm Chuck's other neighbor, we just had a great dinner and talked about your son's lame ass friend. He then gave me a personal tour of his residence and we trained for 8 years straight and I'm about to do my UFC debut next week.
@@Hippypippyzippy6769 wee seen him fight rampage got knocked out randy couture first fight got beat up.. and John wasn't training snorting coke fucking hookers for weeks then jumped in and still won a 5 round war.. chuck used to struggle with Glover in his prime before Glover was even in the UFC in training.. and wee seen John Vs Glover he beat him up easily.. and chuck could wrestle like DC .. look what DC done to Henderson chuck couldn't do that to Dan throw him around like child .. and Jon could take DC down a heavyweight champion chuck Liddell never fought a guy as talented as Jon Jones.. no one has beat Jon but wee seen chuck loose even in his prime Jon is on a different level and era of fighters that are more technical Jon Jones would destroy prime chuck .. but that's what made chuck a champion belief that he could beat anyone.. when he was old and shouldn't have been in the cage in his head he still thought he could win.. but that's the mindset that made him champion but Jon Jones 🙁🤔 no chance Jon's on a different level
Jon Jones is the greatest fighter of the current generation. The sport has evolved so much in the last few years, Chuck in his prime would be a stepping stone in today's era.
Chuck you turning 55 this year. You are legend and old school hitter. you can't compare army from 50's and now. Soldiers where lot better in 50's but now they got buttons.
I have all the respect in the world for Chuck but there's no way in hell he would have stood a chance against Jon Jones, the only thing chuck had going for him was an overhand right
@@jaycee571 he was a hell of a fighter don't get me wrong I loved watching him, and I really can't stand Jon Jones but he is a monster, his wing span is insane, he has an 8-10" reach advantage over most of his opponents.
@@jasonkowens6820 Chuck had hammers for fists, a good chin, and very good wrestling defense in his prime. He was a tough fight for anybody in his prime. If he caught Jones clean on the chin it would be lights out for Jones.
Chuck has great take down defense and hands of stone, one of the all time greats if just if this fight took place around 2012, Jon via 1st round submission.
This makes me sad. I hope he's happy though. He deserves it. Literally fought for everything he has. Including that brain damage that he is wearing so plainly these days
People really don't understand how much brain damage these guys get. The UFC leaves these guys with no retirement or health care so most fighters are permanently broken in the late 30s. The only people that make money are people in the top 10. Everyone else is basically paying to fight. It's not the UFC responsibility to take care of these guys but it is a legit sport and should be mandated to have a 401k and health care
Fighting is a choice. Athletes all know what the price is for constant physical over exertion. It's going to catch up to you with age. Don't fight if you don't want to be "punchy" in your old age. Money is a hell of a drug.
@@ryantogo8359 fighters fight, Dana created a $10,000,000,000 company out of a failing promotion that was being pushed out of existence by politicians. You’re the same morons that think it’s wrong for an engineer to be paid more than a ditch digger. You fighter pay bunch ought to quit watching men’s sports, maybe start watching women’s soccer if pay is your concern. You a manipulable bunch of turds, you were told to be upset and so you carry this unwarranted disgust of Dana. You’re a Biden supporter, you’re the type to have multiple trans kids.
I trained with Chuck in the early 2000s. I was 5 foot 9 and 205. He was a fucking beast of a man. I can't remember his height or weight. I'd guess around 6 foot 2 ish??? But his head was huge and his fucking hands. When I shook hands with him I felt fear rush over my body. People always comment on my hands being big and this dudes hands were likely 30% bigger than mine. So Like I said we had trained together at the gym twice and shook hands ect. I saw him at a night club the next night and went up to shake his hand again. Dude was fucking coked out of his mind. He just stood there mad dogging me and refused to shake my hand. I quickly realized I was in danger when he took a step forward while mumbling a curse word... I quickly walked away and counted my blessings
You don’t produce, develop, create, or even contribute to society. You take something you didn’t earn, squeeze value out of it, and push it onto someone for money. Fuckin Leech at best.
Y’all nuts if y’all think that is going to be a good fight lol Jones would murder him just remember what rampage did to him in his prime….then imagine what Jones did to rampage…. Y’all crazy…just cuz a legend speaks does not make it true respectfully
That was Rampage in his prime . Chuck was in the twilight of his career and had already lost his chin and was teeing up on Jackson until he got caught. At least tell the truth if you're making comparisons.
@@arturorivera6173 You do know they fought twice, right? Chuck was not in the “twilight of his career” in the their first fight in PRIDE. Liddell hadn’t even won the UFC title yet and was absolutely in his prime and was sent to Japan for a super bout w/ Wanderlei to determine the number one 205 lb fighter in the world. You don’t send someone at the end of their career to go and do that. Maybe check your history before calling others “dishonest”? Further, Jackson beat him badly on the ground in a ring, a prime LHW Jones would maul him in a cage.
@@bfunderb5899 don't be a goofy . He was referring to the rematch. The first fight in pride . Was an old school type tournament. Chuck went into that fight right after having a war with Aleister Overeem and knocking Overeem clean out. No fighter today has ever had to fight more than once in a night in their entire career , we don't know how well Jon Jones will be in that element , he has a habit of looking broken down when things get tough .
Surprisingly, he's probably not wrong. I'd still take Jones, but Chuck had an iron chin and I don't think that Jon would be able to KO him. Chuck also had ridiculous takedown defense, and TNT in his fists.
I’ve always thought a prime Chuck would’ve had as good of a chance at Jones as anyone. Strong wrestling, strong TD defense, iron chin, hit like a truck and wasn’t afraid to take one to give one. Always thought rumble had a decent shot against Jones too.
For the fans who were to young or just new to the sport Chuck was a nightmare but Jon Jones is a peak level human. He would’ve been above average or great at most North American sports. (See his brothers)Chucks is to tough for his own good, Jon would have probably seriously injured him.. Chuck had one hell of a chin and power for days.. much respect to the legend
The way Jon was absolutely tearing through that division even a prime chuck had no chance. I mean there’s elite of elite which chuck was but Jon is even levels above elite. He’s a rarified once in a generational talent
Jon Jones would make him look like nothing. It is what it is. Jon Jones is a regular person out on the streets, but Once he's in that octagon he's a God.
A 2005 Chuck Liddell would have mopped the floor with a 15 year old Jon Jones.
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But he said “Gassullu” took jones down.
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You sure about that? 😂
After the first round Chuck would be asking his corner why Jon keeps kicking his leg 😂😂😂
😂 then gets knocked out by spinning elbow
And "why does he keep poking my eyes"
@@Lordoftheswollengold😂😂😂😂
Chuck Liddell would whoop that turds sorry eye-poking, ped swallowing, women beating, dwi pos scumbags arse
Chicken legs*
Chuck chooses the baddest man on the planet. That's why his era hit different. They were straight savage.
Yup massive respect for that, but I think he did sorta toot his own horn a bit too much while doing so
Nobody at that time was asking for easy fights, they got paid in coupons pretty much and they lost money and time to develop techniques and training programs for the newer generations to crap on by ducking people and wanting easy paths to the title 😂
@@JA-ru3ilI feel like not enough people realize a lot of the fighters back then were losing money to fight. All glory, no fortune.
@@aqueousconch1103meanwhile Jon is over here trying to get his fans hyped about fighting a basically retired Stipe Miocic.
"Give me the toughest guy and let's see how tough I a against him"
Chuck on that pure 80s ❄️
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I thought he was done with that.
That’s the best . Hard to find now a days sadly .
He's just old bro
Moreso 90s kids
What a great fighter. He gave the fans everything he had..
The real winner of Jones vs Liddell would be the UFC Coke dealer.
Still think he should do one more. The fight against Tito was a lucky win of Tito because Chuck had to cut weight. Chuck should move to heavyweight and fight Jon Jones, but Dana is to afraid of Jon losing so that’s why they don’t allow it.
He was the 👑 for a few years. Blast 2 watch. Him n Nick Diaz got me REALLY hooked onthis shit. 👋👋👋👋
@@supergangstar1234you’re actually a bot. no living breathing person thinks a 50 year old chuck liddell beats jon jones
Including his brain...
The fact he mentioned his dream fight is with Jones makes me respect him even more
Why wouldn’t he? Lol. Nothing to lose
@@kaylek3874 I mean yeah now 😅 but back in his prime it would've been a banger
@@ChadoTheDon jones length and kicks it wouldn’t of been close. And this is coming from an ice man fan
@@kaylek3874 Maybe you're right bro it's unfortunate we'll never get to see it
@@ChadoTheDon he’s right chuck got cooked twice by rampage
Prime Chuck was definitely a savage. But, Jon Jones is another level
The one thing that Chuck Liddell had was extreme counter striking once somebody threw a punch he knew how to counteract quickly also he had great wrestling defense
@@treverpitts ya man prime chuck was amazing dude. All these new guys don’t give these old guys enough credit
@@hungandfaded815but Jon Jones is still on another level. Not even close.
Jon Jones is just the UFC's flavour of the month
Chuck would match up very well against Jones.
Jones's steroid use might literally be the one thing that could get him a win, because he was using one that helps with endurance, and Chuck's gas tank could run low.
But otherwise, way better than Jones in striking - Jones couldn't hurt him with punches, or make him respect his power, elite wrestler and one of the best ever at stuffing and getting up for takedowns... solid eyepokes...
a submission, or getting Chuck down a few times in the fight would be his most likely path to victory against Chuck.
Chuck Liddell will always be my all-time favourite fighter. One of the most entertaining fighters of all time
You sir are a long time fan like myself. We used to throw parties anytime Chuck fought and invite yhe boys out. Those were the good ole days in my late 20s now im 44. 😅
@@SouthFLMudClub Same age.... 1979🤘
@@joecampbell4199 yeah buddy. 👍
With a stare down that made people apologize for something that they didn't do
Hell yea... Iceman was a legend
Lmao man said, “they say my reach is about 76 but it’s 79 and then if you really look at it it’s 80”. 😂😂😂
Uh yeah, do you not understand what he was trying to say?
All he said was that his legitimate reach is 79.5 but they listed it wrong at 76. Mix ups like that happen all the time with heights and reaches
@@3ncore706 nah that’s not what he said. He literally said what I just put in quotes. Cope
@@puertoricanpapi1356
He literally did not say what you put in quotes. I guess english isnt your strong suit
@@3ncore706he literally DID say what they put in quotes. Okay, they were off by a word or two if you want to get technical. But that’s what he said, probably why they put it in quotes.
@@mbuck253
Wrong.
Chuck said that his true legitimate reach is 79.5 which is basically 80, but they listed it as 76. Nothing about that statement was ridiculous in any way
The other commenter was trying to frame it as if Chuck was saying something silly. All i did was correct him and tell him that people getting listed wrong happens all the time in the ufc
Chuck did have a sick take down defense game. Counter wrestle to stand & bang. All hail the IceMan
All Hail JESUS. Not a mortal.
Yeah, but too one dimensional & slow on the feet. not explosive enough to change the course of the fight
@@jakecollins4545First of, those guys are NATURALLY stronger than Jones. Second of, Tito never took Chuck down, or even came close. Rampage took Chuck down once, and Chuck got right back up. Randy was the only one who took prime Chuck down and kept him on the groun. Jones wouldn't be able to do that.
Chuck had more than just TDD, he could actually wrestle albeit he never did. Overseas a young skinny Overeem turned him into a wrestler to some effect.
@@jakecollins4545if rampage took him down just imagine what Jon would do after he toyed with Rampage in their fight..
Chuck is sounding like he’s got some CTE slipping in, but god damn would THAT be a fight to see. Prime iceman Vs prime Bones Jones
He's always sounded like that stfu
Honestly, he never was the mosy eloquent. That said, those last few fights he had could've been avoided.
Yeah hes been like this for awhile now. Sad man. U can't keep getting hit in the head your whole life or prime of your life and expect to come out clean. 😊
Its head injuries sure....however, "Coccaine is a helluva drug".
@No limit ty no
Iceman is a mf legend! I loved the rivalry between him and Tito. Those were the days!
God bless Chuck he gave his soul to fighting and you can tell he still loves it and hes always wanted to fight the best never been one to dodge a fighter that stylistically was a bad matchup. Long live Iceman
And he never tried to take it safe or let it go to the judges
@@wesleymathews956 yep and its taken a toll on him but hes a legend.
Yeah but Chuck i think lost to Rampage twice.
@@tiz6549 and Tito and Randy lost to Chuck twice…….whats your point?
@@turdfergusonoutdoors5070he lost to tito and couture too
Chucks takedown defense, and ability to get back to his feet alone would make this compelling
Ain’t it and he wasn’t afraid to get hit. And his superman punch was a problem
He also never faced a wrestler like JJ.
@@thesilvershota3091randy couture......
@@sanzmarc07 jon is levels above randy. Homie ragdolled olympic medalist wrestlers like they were his kids. Chuck tweaking on that cte pack heavily.
@@sanzmarc07 MMA wrestling, not a straight up amateur match.
Most of the American Guys that Jones has fought (Hamill, Bader, Sonnen, Rashad, DC) were high level wrestlers that he absolutely rag dolled.
He's the living evidence that fighting can fuck your brain badly up :/
The rest of the guys that fought in his era are fine. I think it is something more than fighting
It’s his fighting style of banging is what made him this way look at adesanya jon jones khabib gsp these dudes fought killers yet are still articulate and smart cuz they fought smart and don’t take much damage
Nate Diaz is another. Dudes brain is gonna look like Benoit's when he passes.
He also parties, drinks, smokes and does cocaine.
Perhaps but let us not forget what an amazing fighter he was and he had outstanding take down defense. Would’ve loved to have seen that fight but I still wouldn’t bet against the 🐐 Jon Jones!
Two absolute legends. Different era's in which both were/are dominant & true champions.
Great wrestlers had a DAMN HARD TIME trying to keep chuck on the ground! If coleman is the creator of ground and pound, Chuck created the sprawl and brawl. Fuckin legend!
Stop. Jones was able to take down DC multiple times. If you think Jones would have trouble taking Chuck down you're trippen lol Jones finishes Chuck in round 1
@@Hippypippyzippy6769 you are the most delusional person ive ever read a comment from lmfao
@@Hippypippyzippy6769lmao randy couture lost twice to chuck
@SanzMarc07 okay? Jones would beat the shit out of him too lol wtf were you trying to do there
@@Hippypippyzippy6769 You know nothing about MMA and it shows 😂😂😂.
Chuck was an absolute monster in his heyday, but Bones is another level of fighter.
Yea hes on that Tren level
@@irongraveyard1121 He wasn't that muscular dude. No way was he doing Tren.
@@VerisimilitudeDude you may be right, either way his legacy is tarnished forever.
@@irongraveyard1121
Chuck and Jones' legacy are unblemished.
Chuck Liddell would whoop that turds sorry eye-poking, ped swallowing, women beating, dwi pos scumbags arse
Chuck would get absolutely mauled. In that fight, Jon is the lion in every area.
Lmao except john got beat up by average fighters like Alexander Gustafsson and Dominick Reyes.
@@Promislandzion Bruh?? Gustafsoon was sooo far from average! Have you actually watched any of his fights?
@@Promislandzionok but what happened to Gustafsson the second time?
@@Promislandziongo and watch the fight again 😅😅
@@Promislandzion yea your a dumbass
Chuck is a killer but Jon's fight IQ is just incredible!
The eye pokes and oblique kicks to the knee are incredibly questionable. His ducking usada and popping dirty after fights is next level.
@@BillyBob-wq9fldon't forget Jones practices by beating his wife.
@@BillyBob-wq9fl cope harder
Chuck was that dude. At his peak he was certified stud.
Prime Chuck was a monster. He was knocking everyone out. Even though he was a top tier wrestler. He only used it to get up.
The guy always got up like it was nothing.
On his feet he was a KO machine
Facts I always like his combos when he was ready to end a fight. Quick powerful punches
These kids today don’t know how good he was. The fact he fought Overeem and Rampage in one night is nuts. I actually would have liked to see a prime Overeem vs Jon that would be interesting
I think prime overeem would’ve beaten Jon it’s that jaw that’s so questionable but he was so powerful man leg kicks folded Brock
@@mitocambrelen9544 Also his ground game was really good too and his reach size would have been an issue for Jon. Jon is smart it would have be a good one
Chuck got annihilated on the ground by Rampage Jackson...
His corner threw on the towel in Pride against Rampage
@@garrydye2394 I'm not sure how Chuck would win. I think Jon is significantly better in every area.
yeah he would be totally dominated
Wasn't in his prime by then, would of beaten jackass in his prime
@@blahblah6227 Chuck was in his prime.
Prime Chuck was unstoppable, diamond chin, impossible to ground, knock out punches and head kicks.. It would have been a killer match up
Nope
@@manga3040 nope to what? use your words and elaborate on what you're saying nope to like a big boy...you can do it I believe in you
Yeah....his chin was granite. He pretty much invented sprawl and brawl.
That looping overhand punch he threw when he looked like he was actually shooting? You never see that anymore and it was a great weapon. Another Chuck punch you never see is the one where he sidestepped and took a little quarter turn to face people who over extended themselves and was clobbering them before they knew what happened.
You never see either of those anymore.
I would love to see prime Chuck fight Jones.
'Prime' chuck got smashed by rampage twice....he was a top fighter but gets overrated
@@jonjohnson1978.Nothing wrong losing to prime Rampage, and as they say STYLES MAKES FIGHTS, Rampage was always a fighter, more of a street fighter, so Chuck who prefers keeping the fight standing most likely would lose to someone like Rampage. Jones wouldn't dare go toe to toe with those two
Prime Chuck vs Jones would have been one hell of a fight.
Yeeeeeeeeeeees 💪
Yeah round one sub by Jon jones 🤣
Yeah, on paper😂 . Rampage spanked Liddell every chance he got. He could do anything with Jones.
Not really bro. I love chuck, but bones would've starched him
One hell of a beating
The brain damage is evident.
It is. And while I know he’s about 55 and a former pro fighter, he’s basic movement even here looks so labored.
That’s what I thought when I heard him talk like Nate Diaz
True that, when did chuck become the old guy at the bar? I used to be able to whoop as??? C'mon, man up in your later years men!
He’s always talked like this
@@OwningYourMindhe'll still BLIKSEM anybody in this comment section
If Jon took a year off to party and survive the mountains of cocaine to then crawl back into the cage, he’d still mop the floor with prime chuck
Facts
@icoroa you should never comment about ufc fighters again
Sluurp, sluurp. You hero worshippers kill me.
Did you see him do even one mountain of cocaine? Or did you just believe him because he said it in a little press conference?
He did that with Prime DC, Gus, possibly even Gane lol.
Chuck is one of the greatest to ever do it
Prime Chuck gets killed by Jon.
Agree 💯 wouldn't even be close I like chuck in his prime but Jones is something different he is the goat
Reach advantage combined with a safety first running style is massively overlooked. Not saying fighters should change how they fight, but that we should recognise why some fighters had the success they did.
Izzy is elite, but much of his success was due to his reach advantage vs his rivals. Got outstruck by Jan on the feet, Alex landed more than izzy in their fights, one time he abandoned his safety first reach merchant style vs gastelum and nearly got KOd by a B rated fighter.
This is why when these type of fighters face someone their own size, they no longer look like the GOAT striker, they end up going life and death, like jj vs reyes, gustaffson, or izzy vs jan and alex.
izzy, silva, gane etc usually stay on the end of their reach, refusing to take any risk. Breaking the shorter man down from where there is no threat of retaliation, before going in for the kill. The shorter fighter has to lunge in to connect and so are at a great disadvantage. Many fighters have had the success they had largely due to this advantage they had vs their rivals. The smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to overcome this, and even then, e.g with Rob vs izzy, its still very hard
What blew my mind was when i looked at floyds record. Floyd had a monster reach for his divisions and the only people in his WHOLE career that had more reach than him were mgregory de la and Paul, and you saw how them went. Ducked anyone with reach like lara, margarito, Khan, Williams etc
its no coincidence that fighters like floyd, izzy, jj etc hugely succesful, also had huge reach advantages vs their rivals and fought a reach merchant running style.
Combat sport is littered with examples of the less skilled rangier fighter using reach to jab and hug and run to wins vs the more skilled smaller fighter.
Recently aj vs ruiz, went to war and aj got whooped, then in the return, aj switched to jabbing hugging and running to an easy W. Usyk was too skilled for this. Usyk is goated.
Duran vs Leonard 1, went to war, duran won
Duran Leonard 2, Leonard used his reach advantage to run 🏃♂ to what was gonna be an easy victory until Duran quit as he wasn't there to play tag
these fighters usually have boring fights because they fights a running defensive reach merchant fight, refusing to take any risk hiding behind reach to get the W. Anderson Silva was the same, Jon jones, great against the smaller guys with 85 reach, but when fighting his own size, like reyes gustaffson etc he arguably lost
Its easier to fight defensively with a huge reach advantage but its much harder funking someone up taking a few risks.
Speed power timing etc can be improved but reach cannot, and it can be decisive when paired with a defensive style.
Khamzat was berated by his coach for going to war instead of using his reach adv to make it an easy fight.
Smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to be successful, like a usyk, pac, tank, dc, canelo mike tyson etc
Thankfully for us fans, not all fighters with reach fight like this, although they would be more successful if they did but the sport would be dead
Izzy said it best himself when he said Costa will be easy as he has t rex arms and won't reach
So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God?
EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father.
These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make.
So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate.
GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time?
EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel.
Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind.
And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king.
GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time?
EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor.
And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel.
And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was...
Its truly mind blowing that despite theclear evidence the devil has mislead them away from Jesus true message, that he was a man sent by God, a prophet, preached to worship God alone, they remain ignorant 😔
@@fuuf7092 So you must have never heard of a slip, duck, shot, kick, grab. Also you said the reach advantage like it's rare for a shorter stocky fighter to win. Similar to the NBA MMA would have already trended towards a tall lanky body type by now after 30 years. The fact is there is no advantage, people just fight to their strengths. Mark Hunt and Roy Nelson murdered Stephen Struve. DC destroyed Bigfoot Silva. Kelvin Gastilem wrecked Izzy. Henry, DJ, Tai Tuivasa, Tyson, Tyron Woodley, Matt Serra, Sean Sherk.
@@fuuf7092 Michael Chandler, Faber, Dillashaw, Yoel Romero. Alexander Volkanaski!! Plenty of short guys do just fine. Khabib would likely be even better if he were shorter. The fact of the matter is all fighters are at an equal distance to each other at all times. Check the kick, grab the punch. The shorter fighter doesn't have to be super skilled either a double leg and an overhand works just fine.
Jones would DESTROY Chuck with all respect
No he wouldn’t! Dana should make this fight right now! The only reason Chuck lost against Tito in their last fight is because Chuck had a massive weight cut. It would actually be perfect to see Chuck vs Jon at heavyweight.
Chuck is a good but dumb fighter. He would just charge after Jones and get obliterated. He can throw good punches but he is a novice compared to Jones
@@kingofoblivion1822 jones would replicate what Suga did to Chuck.
@@supergangstar1234 your knowledge of that fight game is literally ass. Both in their prime jones walks through chuck no problem. Chuck also go ko cold by evans and rampage so your theory about the whole massive weight cut ain’t valid
@࿘ COROA ࿗ more like your a complete idiot. There’s a reason why one of them a few losses in his career and the other has none besides a no contest. Clown
Prime Chuck vs Jones would be interesting but Jones still wins.
We will never know. But Chuck had great take down defense. Sprawl and brawl was real. Chuck makes a good point about Gustafson being able to hit Jon.. if he was able to chuck for sure would be able to.. if jones at all struggles to take chuck down.. he could get caught in a brawl and if you get hit by chuck.. lights out for sure. 👍👊 #IceMan
@@MaxxGains yes tf we do know lol Jones would beat the shit out of Chuck. If you think even Prime Chuck would give Jones a tougher fight then Alex and DC you're trippen 😂 if Jones took DC down whenever he would slam Chuck on his head. This fight wouldn't be close
@David Sturgeon you can have your opinion and that may be most people's opinion. Jones is one of the best if not the best to ever do it. Now I am a little biased because I was drawn into MMA and the UFC mostly because of Chuck Liddell. He was by far one of thee most influential figures that Boosted UFCs popularity. With his fighting style..Looks and Highlight reel KOs. With some classic celebrations. Now Sprawl and Brawl was awesome..and nobody did it better than Chuck. Chuck could take a lot of punches and had a one of thee best chins. He would walk through punches at different times in his career.. of course ad he got older and after so many street fights and MMA fights.. the chin does diminish. Which is what happened his last several fights. But to dismiss and count out a prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones would be absolutely foolish to think that Chuck couldn't land a KO blow to Jones. This is the thing.. Jones is a fairly creative striker.. but Jones never had the KO ability like Chuck did. Jones would have to go into the fight and be looking for the takedown. If Chuck was able to stuff Jones and keep the fight standing.. Jones would be the one at a disadvantage. and its possible.. Chuck has a wrestling background and was one of the best to defend takedowns in the history of the sport. Don't dismiss Chuck Liddell especially if you haven't done good research and watch some of his history. Go check out sprawl and brawl on youtube. It was kind of a fun video on Chuck. 👍
@@MaxxGains i grew up watching Chuck and him having more KO power doesn't mean shit lol Plenty of guys Jones faught were way better fighters then Chuck. And you really think Jones wouldn't take Chuck down when he took down an Olympian with ease and thats because DC started off as a HW. All that bs you wrote was for nothing lol you act like Jones can't hold his own against high level strikers. He held his own against guys like Gane who is a HW Rampage ,DC, Alexander, Reyes, Santos, Evans and TRT Vitor. Jones beats Chuck 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. I hate jones and think he's a cheater but he would tbag chuck if he really wanted too lol fuck out of here.
Dude got flatlined by rashad and rampage and y’all swear this dude could touch jon who made both of them look like children
Chuck Liddell is a huge reason for the UFC getting huge and gaining popularity and he done it without having to act like a wwe character
Ehhh not really ufc wasn’t massive until Conner if we’re getting technical
*Even at Chucks best, his tip top prime, he’s no match for Jones* !
No doubt! Jones would methodically 🙅🏾♂️pick apart the Iceman 🧊🧖🏻until there was only a small puddle of water left in the middle of the octagon 💦
Jones would easily win it....
@@IAlreadyKnowIAintSh_t
I like how put this 🤔
Unless he hit him. Liddel in his prime just had to touch you and you're asleep
@@keithtowers4627 Yea even then he’s not knocking Jones out. Jones has been in there with guys with ridiculous power and never been knocked out. He’s barely been dazed.
I had always hoped to see prime Cain vs Jon Jones. That's the fight
Cain Valasquez? Wasn't he kinda at his peak while Jon was just getting started on cleaning out the LHW division, and doing picograms and coke 😂 I agree tho it b a banger!
That would have been a great fight.
Chuck is a legend, but Jon is the GOAT of MMA.
he cheats too much to be the GOAT, the title should have gone to Gus.
@@Brukner841 he beat Gus twice stop that 😂
@@thehorrorfamilyllc it was so close though, and Gus wasn't gouging out his eyes, and also that knee kick is just wrong to use, I don't respect the guy.
@@Brukner841 the first fight was super close. Hell of a fight!
Rematch … not at all .. jones proved he’s the best over and over man. It’s not even debated at this point.
As far as the kick, a lot of ppl don’t like it. BUT it’s legal. So until that changes 🤷🏻♂️
Chuck is the man of his era but Jon is the GOAT .
false DJ GSP are GOAT AP becoming 1 soon if he keeps winning.
How does he match up well? Less reach, less height, less versatility, fought inferior competition. His record vs. Similar competition to Jones says it all. C'MON son!
Very few fighters will come out and just plain say "no thanks that guy would have whipped my ass". So I don't expect that from chuck here.... but Jon whips that ass.
Well Chuck has nothing to worry about. He would never be expected to back his talk up. Jon would look like an asshole for talking shit to Chuck over this.
Oh so bad..
If you’re a fighter, putting those words in a sentence, wouldn’t be in your repertoire.
@@mr.rattlebone4902 Why not? Still think that Chuck should do one more fight and he should fight Jon Jones. Would be a legit 50/50 fight.
Lmao except john got beat up by Alexander Gustafsson and Dominick Reyes both burly average fighters.
Man what I would give to see Chuck KO someone one more time.
he was about to KO himself trying to complete this thought
Chuck Liddell just has an ICONIC vibe to him.
Jones would of killed Chuck
Fuck yeah ! The ppl that KO’d Liddell are the same ones that Jones destroyed.
Reach advantage combined with a safety first running style is massively overlooked. Not saying fighters should change how they fight, but that we should recognise why some fighters had the success they did.
Izzy is elite, but much of his success was due to his reach advantage vs his rivals. Got outstruck by Jan on the feet, Alex landed more than izzy in their fights, one time he abandoned his safety first reach merchant style vs gastelum and nearly got KOd by a B rated fighter.
This is why when these type of fighters face someone their own size, they no longer look like the GOAT striker, they end up going life and death, like jj vs reyes, gustaffson, or izzy vs jan and alex.
izzy, silva, gane etc usually stay on the end of their reach, refusing to take any risk. Breaking the shorter man down from where there is no threat of retaliation, before going in for the kill. The shorter fighter has to lunge in to connect and so are at a great disadvantage. Many fighters have had the success they had largely due to this advantage they had vs their rivals. The smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to overcome this, and even then, e.g with Rob vs izzy, its still very hard
What blew my mind was when i looked at floyds record. Floyd had a monster reach for his divisions and the only people in his WHOLE career that had more reach than him were mgregory de la and Paul, and you saw how them went. Ducked anyone with reach like lara, margarito, Khan, Williams etc
its no coincidence that fighters like floyd, izzy, jj etc hugely succesful, also had huge reach advantages vs their rivals and fought a reach merchant running style.
Combat sport is littered with examples of the less skilled rangier fighter using reach to jab and hug and run to wins vs the more skilled smaller fighter.
Recently aj vs ruiz, went to war and aj got whooped, then in the return, aj switched to jabbing hugging and running to an easy W. Usyk was too skilled for this. Usyk is goated.
Duran vs Leonard 1, went to war, duran won
Duran Leonard 2, Leonard used his reach advantage to run 🏃♂ to what was gonna be an easy victory until Duran quit as he wasn't there to play tag
these fighters usually have boring fights because they fights a running defensive reach merchant fight, refusing to take any risk hiding behind reach to get the W. Anderson Silva was the same, Jon jones, great against the smaller guys with 85 reach, but when fighting his own size, like reyes gustaffson etc he arguably lost
Its easier to fight defensively with a huge reach advantage but its much harder funking someone up taking a few risks.
Speed power timing etc can be improved but reach cannot, and it can be decisive when paired with a defensive style.
Khamzat was berated by his coach for going to war instead of using his reach adv to make it an easy fight.
Smaller fighter needs to be more skilled than the longer fighter to be successful, like a usyk, pac, tank, dc, canelo mike tyson etc
Thankfully for us fans, not all fighters with reach fight like this, although they would be more successful if they did but the sport would be dead
Izzy said it best himself when he said Costa will be easy as he has t rex arms and won't reach.
Chuck wasn't prime when he started getting KOd. He would've lit jones up.
@@anthonypesqueira7540 doesn’t matter. Jon is a superior fighter period
@@fuuf7092 on the other hand kelvin gave him a hard time with his even shorter reach because of the angles and granite chin
He has the most humble voice I’ve ever heard for him to be a menace known as Chuck Liddell
Not really
This fight would be exactly the same as jones vs rampage, jones keeping him at arms length and then eventually finishing him, probably by knockout instead of submission
I think Jones would win. But Chuck used more pace and pressure than Rampage. And he had better cardio too.
That's such a weird comparison but ok
@@jikosauce not really. Rampage knocked Chuck out twice. Once in Pride and then to win the LHW title. Chuck was never the same after that second knock out from Rampage.
@@lawrencejohnson9154 that's a totally different fighter when they fight someone else and thats a bad logic when there's too many factors like the ground game to base how one fight went will decide the next fight. There's too many factors to go off how a day in he past went
Prime Chuck was an absolute monster. He had that OG hardcore fighting DNA, great wrestling and bricks in his hands and feet.
Chuck is genuinely delusional to believe that “he matches up perfect” with Jon at any point in his career haha
He would give Jon a fight. But yeah he will not lose, Decision win for Jones. And I don't like him. But you can't deny what he has done in UFC regardless of drugs and actions outside the ring. No one is beating Jon
@@jayfosho12 I’m not a jon fan either, but he is certainly a highly skilled man
Youll never understand the mindset of a fighter then. What's the point in competing if you don't think you're the best
@@JasonMontell2501 thanks for the lesson Rocky
@@brohemianclapsody5509 No problem. I might also be able to offer some advice on how to improve the integrity of a fragile ego.
Chuck in his prime was Scary 💪🤘
He wouldn't have anything for jones
@@buckybarns4991 If it were only stand and Brawl 💯 if not of course 🤘
@Dylan Ok 👌 if Jones and Liddell come in the cage both prepared to their fullest just to stand and throw hands, in their prime then I got Chuck all day💯✌️
@Dylan Ok 😂🤣🤣✌️
Chuck is a legend! This man got me into watching the UFC. The Iceman!!
Chuck was the man
I wouldn’t expect anything else from a man with Chuck’s mentality. He’s a champion and an absolute warrior. You can’t be great without that kind of confidence. Sure, to the onlooker, that’s not confidence, it is delusion. No one believes chuck could win in a sanctioned fight with Jon, even if he was in his prime and Jon was a young 22 year old fighter. No one except Chuck.
Chuck was a monster in his prime but Jon is the Goat🐐
I love Chuck but John Jones would EMBARRASS even the best in his prime Chuck Liddell.
@࿘ COROA ࿗ lmao keep dreaming bud
Your opinion. He could never embarrass Fedor. Get out of here
@@Alex21441😂😂😂😂fedor will get smoked how many times did he loss in his prime
Love that chuck still wants to fight the best opponents.
Chuck got that CTE + Vicodin speech pattern.
Liddell was a beast in his prime, he just fell off quick cause he partied so hard
Jon partied harder and more
@@beewalk34 do you have proof of this?
Idk bro chuck was fucking pornstars and they don't call him the ice man for no reason he'd party like an animal
@@bc1173yes, the news
@@bc1173yeah, JJ admits to doing cocaine and getting blackout drunk before fights so he can blame it on partying if he loses
Jones would have murdered any version of chuck
Chuck the Ice Man Liddell , definitely one of my favorite fighters . The fact he also had a degree in accounting.He chose a much more difficult career in MMA . Much respect for this gentleman.
He wouldn’t have dared say that if he was still fighting😂😂😂 the “I match up well” took me out 😂
Stop smoking Crack kid, chuck would have been straight wild. That's one fighter that stood up to God.
He would have said it but it doesn't mean it's fact, fighters have to have confidence or otherwise they couldn't do it. It's 90% mental.
But realistically prime Liddell does match up well with Jon phenomenal takedown defense with dynamite in his hands
The fact they have to use subtitles now to understand what Chuck is saying is so sad.
I can understand him without sub title
He's clearly speaking & easy to understand
They do that on videos with EVERYONE LOL nice try though.
Chuck in his prime would get murdered by Jon Jones....some guys are just built different....hats off to the ice man but Bones beats anyone even Francis in that cage.....FACTS
Ngannou? That would be worth watching but he’s a true heavyweight with very heavy hands.
Jones would not murder a prime chuck . I believe jones would still squeak a win but it wouldn’t be a mauling. However current chuck absolute no doubt first round
I'm far from convinced on bones beating Francis. Do I think Jones is the better over all fighter? Absolutely. However with that said, with Francis, it only takes one. Miocic has a well established history and pedigree in wrestling and by fight number 2 between Francis and stipe, miocic didn't take him down and control him as he had in their previous fight. I think Jones would get one of, if not the toughest challenge of his career. Too bad we will never get to see it happen cuz that would be a fight to see!
@@carlosdavid5538 no Chuck w sleep him. Like conner in his prime. But man he picks the tough ones.
@@mattbedard-tr9qe ahhhh I donno man , I love chuck but jones is literally the best you can’t deny it
Chuck was like a movie character brought to life. He was just a legendary fighter. His star power in the game was Everything fighters should strive to be now.
My favorite of all time. Iceman brought UFC mainstream almost by himself
He couldn't just wade in on Jon like he could on alot of guys in his era. Jon would absolutely neutralize him on the outside.
Who was the one who said chuck liddell looked like a homeless man fighting for a pack of cigarettes on one of his last fights 😂?
😂
People hate on Chuck, but he wants to fight the best and not scared of no man. I give props
R.I.P to rumble Johnson. But that's the fight not John Jones
Jones would destroy Chuck. CTE is slipping in and progressing rapidly. I see Chuck from time to time in our neighborhood. Hell, my son's best friend lives next door to Chuck. He's a great guy and never rude to anyone who approaches him. Chuck speech has declined over a 5-7 year period speaking to him. Sad to see.
Well I’m sure meant in his prime, would’ve been an exciting fight.
I went to a dispensary a few months ago and chuck was right in front of me. Dude seemed very nice and chill.
Then you should be better with your answer if that's the case. Prime Chuck was a different animal. When Jones was up and coming, The Iceman was already a legend
@Gliese 581c The MMA game changes every 3 years. When Chuck was making his name, Chuck was one of the few with a boxing/striking coach. Now, every MMA fighter has a boxing coach in their toolbox!
Yeah I'm Chuck's other neighbor, we just had a great dinner and talked about your son's lame ass friend. He then gave me a personal tour of his residence and we trained for 8 years straight and I'm about to do my UFC debut next week.
chuck was a beast, a total fucking beast in his day, that said jon would tear this man apart
I'm 53 years old and I have seen nearly all of Chuck's professional career. And with all due respect chuck...........
Chuck was a beast wrestler so yes this would have been a good fight
Chuck would've got killed
@@Hippypippyzippy6769 wee seen him fight rampage got knocked out randy couture first fight got beat up.. and John wasn't training snorting coke fucking hookers for weeks then jumped in and still won a 5 round war.. chuck used to struggle with Glover in his prime before Glover was even in the UFC in training.. and wee seen John Vs Glover he beat him up easily.. and chuck could wrestle like DC .. look what DC done to Henderson chuck couldn't do that to Dan throw him around like child .. and Jon could take DC down a heavyweight champion chuck Liddell never fought a guy as talented as Jon Jones.. no one has beat Jon but wee seen chuck loose even in his prime Jon is on a different level and era of fighters that are more technical Jon Jones would destroy prime chuck .. but that's what made chuck a champion belief that he could beat anyone.. when he was old and shouldn't have been in the cage in his head he still thought he could win.. but that's the mindset that made him champion but Jon Jones 🙁🤔 no chance Jon's on a different level
@@Hippypippyzippy6769facts he woulda been murdered
Chuck couldn’t wrestle. But he was one of the greatest takedown defenders of ever seen.
@presenceaboveall7882 he could wrestle he was a ncaa wrestler in college
Jon Jones is the greatest fighter of the current generation. The sport has evolved so much in the last few years, Chuck in his prime would be a stepping stone in today's era.
You're smoking crack gtfoh
“I’m 5’8 but you might as well say 5’10 and if you really look at it, I’m 6’2”
Chuck you turning 55 this year. You are legend and old school hitter. you can't compare army from 50's and now. Soldiers where lot better in 50's but now they got buttons.
I have all the respect in the world for Chuck but there's no way in hell he would have stood a chance against Jon Jones, the only thing chuck had going for him was an overhand right
Best chin in the game before he lost it
@@jaycee571 he was a hell of a fighter don't get me wrong I loved watching him, and I really can't stand Jon Jones but he is a monster, his wing span is insane, he has an 8-10" reach advantage over most of his opponents.
Right........ 😂😂😂😂😂
Chuck would gas out in longer fights. It would be competitive until Chuck's gas tank ran low then Jones would probably win via stoppage on the ground.
It would competitive right until the bell rang for round one. Then it'd be a complete massacre
@@jasonkowens6820 Chuck had hammers for fists, a good chin, and very good wrestling defense in his prime. He was a tough fight for anybody in his prime. If he caught Jones clean on the chin it would be lights out for Jones.
Chuck has great take down defense and hands of stone, one of the all time greats if just if this fight took place around 2012, Jon via 1st round submission.
This is a legendary dream fight when it comes to mma
This makes me sad. I hope he's happy though. He deserves it. Literally fought for everything he has. Including that brain damage that he is wearing so plainly these days
Talk about an execution. Jon Jones would absolutely destroy Liddell.
Jon would have made chuck look old when he was in his prime.
Yes
Yeah in a fantasy match up, pick the GOAT, because you know you both will never fight.
People really don't understand how much brain damage these guys get. The UFC leaves these guys with no retirement or health care so most fighters are permanently broken in the late 30s. The only people that make money are people in the top 10. Everyone else is basically paying to fight. It's not the UFC responsibility to take care of these guys but it is a legit sport and should be mandated to have a 401k and health care
Meanwhile Dana is worth a half a billion dollars
@@ryantogo8359 exactly
Fighting is a choice. Athletes all know what the price is for constant physical over exertion. It's going to catch up to you with age. Don't fight if you don't want to be "punchy" in your old age. Money is a hell of a drug.
You're a moron. Nobody is forcing these people to fight. They sign their own contracts.
@@ryantogo8359 fighters fight, Dana created a $10,000,000,000 company out of a failing promotion that was being pushed out of existence by politicians. You’re the same morons that think it’s wrong for an engineer to be paid more than a ditch digger. You fighter pay bunch ought to quit watching men’s sports, maybe start watching women’s soccer if pay is your concern. You a manipulable bunch of turds, you were told to be upset and so you carry this unwarranted disgust of Dana. You’re a Biden supporter, you’re the type to have multiple trans kids.
If Chuck had fought Jon Jones in both their primes, Chuck would probably be a paraplegic.
😂😂😂😂😂
CTE has entered the chat..........
I trained with Chuck in the early 2000s. I was 5 foot 9 and 205. He was a fucking beast of a man. I can't remember his height or weight. I'd guess around 6 foot 2 ish??? But his head was huge and his fucking hands. When I shook hands with him I felt fear rush over my body. People always comment on my hands being big and this dudes hands were likely 30% bigger than mine.
So Like I said we had trained together at the gym twice and shook hands ect.
I saw him at a night club the next night and went up to shake his hand again. Dude was fucking coked out of his mind. He just stood there mad dogging me and refused to shake my hand. I quickly realized I was in danger when he took a step forward while mumbling a curse word...
I quickly walked away and counted my blessings
They must’ve gave him some Hennessy before this interview. Jon would destroy him easily. A bar fighter has no chance against a skilled assassin.
I agree but don't discredit Iceman, he's a tough mf
I agree😂..but I respect ice...
You don’t produce, develop, create, or even contribute to society.
You take something you didn’t earn, squeeze value out of it, and push it onto someone for money.
Fuckin Leech at best.
Nutriding phagit detected
Chuck was a D1 wrestler and actual martial artist, not just a bar brawler. We aren't talking about Tank Abbot here lol.
Damn, rampage really knocked a few screws loose💀
Twice.
Not to mention the screws that Rashad Evans, Rich Franklin, and Mauricio Rua loosened up.
Y’all nuts if y’all think that is going to be a good fight lol Jones would murder him just remember what rampage did to him in his prime….then imagine what Jones did to rampage…. Y’all crazy…just cuz a legend speaks does not make it true respectfully
Exactly 💯.
That was Rampage in his prime . Chuck was in the twilight of his career and had already lost his chin and was teeing up on Jackson until he got caught. At least tell the truth if you're making comparisons.
@@arturorivera6173 You do know they fought twice, right? Chuck was not in the “twilight of his career” in the their first fight in PRIDE. Liddell hadn’t even won the UFC title yet and was absolutely in his prime and was sent to Japan for a super bout w/ Wanderlei to determine the number one 205 lb fighter in the world. You don’t send someone at the end of their career to go and do that. Maybe check your history before calling others “dishonest”?
Further, Jackson beat him badly on the ground in a ring, a prime LHW Jones would maul him in a cage.
@@bfunderb5899 don't be a goofy . He was referring to the rematch. The first fight in pride . Was an old school type tournament. Chuck went into that fight right after having a war with Aleister Overeem and knocking Overeem clean out. No fighter today has ever had to fight more than once in a night in their entire career , we don't know how well Jon Jones will be in that element , he has a habit of looking broken down when things get tough .
Prime Chuck was a savage, JJ on another level though.
Punchy
Surprisingly, he's probably not wrong. I'd still take Jones, but Chuck had an iron chin and I don't think that Jon would be able to KO him. Chuck also had ridiculous takedown defense, and TNT in his fists.
Yo capping 😂😂😂😂
It would go down how the glover vs jones fight went
Jon Bones Jones is probably the most ruthless and skilled martial artist of all time. Man is fully tapping into satsui no hado 😅
God bless Chuck 🙏💚
Alot of people don't know, Chuck a highly educated man...
Nice seeing you to jump in the mix..
I’ve always thought a prime Chuck would’ve had as good of a chance at Jones as anyone. Strong wrestling, strong TD defense, iron chin, hit like a truck and wasn’t afraid to take one to give one. Always thought rumble had a decent shot against Jones too.
Give me a break lmao
John would absolutely Destroy him Even in his prime.😂😂😂
For the fans who were to young or just new to the sport Chuck was a nightmare but Jon Jones is a peak level human. He would’ve been above average or great at most North American sports.
(See his brothers)Chucks is to tough for his own good, Jon would have probably seriously injured him.. Chuck had one hell of a chin and power for days.. much respect to the legend
The way Jon was absolutely tearing through that division even a prime chuck had no chance. I mean there’s elite of elite which chuck was but Jon is even levels above elite. He’s a rarified once in a generational talent
Wake up Chuck! You dreaming. Jon would’ve crushed you 😂
Jon Jones would make him look like nothing. It is what it is. Jon Jones is a regular person out on the streets, but Once he's in that octagon he's a God.
To women he is that bitch won’t do shit to men on the streets
Chuck would lose his knee within the first 5 seconds followed by losing his consciousness.
Jon's leg strikes would change his mind immediately.
Jones range control would make that a lopsided fight