India's Stand on China Border Irrational but Nehru's Handling Was Irresponsible: Avtar Singh Bhasin
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In a 42-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, based on his recent book ‘Nehru, Tibet and China’, published during the dark days of the pandemic and which hasn’t got the attention it deserves, Mr. Bhasin discusses in great detail, first, India’s stand and Nehru’s multiple mistakes on the western border and, then, separately, India’s stand and mistakes on the eastern border.
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Respect Mr. Avtar Singh Bhasin speaking out the truth, a brave Indian.
China was very generous toward India on the border issues because at the time in China's view both China and India were victims of the West imperialism. They should unite with each other against the West oppression. What surprised China was that India inherited the British colonism and tried to become new colonists. It was rumored that before Mao decided to counter Nehru's border incursion, he sat there for hours trying to understand why Nehru would try to take advantage of China and continue the British colonist path.
allegedly 10 days plus 10 nights Mao couldn't figure it out, then decided to give him a bleeding nose.
This is nonsense. Portraying India as a colonialist or an expansionist or aggressor. This is not the attitude of a good "neighbor"
@@helpingempowerwomen Yes, you are right. I should have used the word ``expansionism''
Linking 1962 to Aksai Chin and portraying naive Mr Nehru as an aggressor or intruder is so characteristic of how China to this day.
It perpetuates aggressive behavior but blames India for it.
To claim that China was very generous towards India is so not true.
To call India an expansionist is what an expansionist would claim about the party whose territory was lost.
This kind of hostile attitude towards India is the reason, this border issue is not going away.
The 1970 book by Neville Maxwell, "India's China War" makes a similar claim viz. that China offered Nehru a quid pro quo - recognition of Chinese suzerainty over Aksai Chin in exchange for recognition of Mc Mahon Line by China in the Eastern Sector. However, Nehru did not go along with the idea. Maxwell did not have the material that Mr. Bhasin has had access to, but China gave a hint that it was in agreement with Maxwell's view. Mr. Bhasin reinforces with solid documentation what was a hypothesis all along - that India's stand against China is bereft of logic, historical evidence or cartographic exactitude. Kudos to Mr. Bhasin for bringing this to the public domain.
Thanks for getting correct perspective on the problem.
@@asbhasin9251 Honestly, Nehru should have accepted those terms. China might have been very grateful and supported India against Pakistan, and many things would be different today. :)
Neville Maxwell blames Forward Policy for the war. He is dead wrong. This policy was instituted in November 1961, war started on October 20, 1962. By this time China had close to one hundred thousand troops in the Himalayas and heavy equipment which China could not have done in 11 months. India Brigadier John Dalvi was taken prisoner by the Chinese, his minders of the same rank told him the war was planned in 1959. Nehru's own colleagues who had no clue of military affairs were his worst enemies, they did not let him negotiate and blocked funds for arms purchase quoting principles of Gandhi who despite his non-violence was a hard core realist advising Col. LP Sen to fight in Kashmir as it was a just cause. Nehru's colleagues who were unrealistic were Rajaji, Kriplani, GB Pant, Morarji Desai, Rajendra Prasad who were not tuned into geopolitics and stopped Nehru from give and take.
@@ranjitbarot7858 it was India's forward position policies that triggered the war in 1962 and unfortunately the two countries could not settle the border dispute inspite of the war. China did offer to give up the claim on eastern sector in exchange for India accepting aksai Chin in the western sector which India did not even control which India did not accept. This was the best opportunity to resolve the border dispute but unfortunately Nehru lacked the statesmanship and foresight to settle the dispute.
@@walterwayne3081 what is the way forward then?
Yes. Our stand is not convincing.
Let us behave ourselves.
And don't do war mongering. Daily.
Let us know the facts and the truth.
Thank you for both of you for telling the truth to the world. Hope, there will be permanent peace between China and India one day.
Two gentlemen talk a highly sensitive topic in such a rational and factual sense, full salute to them.
I just wonder why we always have a few rational gentlemen who tell us afterwards why and how things went wrong, but no such rational gentleman comes in power to take right and timely decisions to truly uplift this country.
@@JyotirvidPawan Rational and smart people are busy with actual life changing discovery. So, politicians are usually "average" at best. Just my opinion.
@@s0methingmesh132 In the dark age viz. "Kali yuga" as at present mostly criminal minded reach the governing places and if a rare few like Shree Kejariwal reach there then all the rest focus on pulling their legs in order to bring them down to their low level.
Any word on why Karan's father lost us the war?
The background information between 1959 to 1962, is that China was suffering from famine and that both USSR and USA were hostile to China, while India enjoyed the support from both superpowers. Importantly, Mao was almost sidelined due to big leap policy in China. Nehru wanted to take advantage of China's weak position to achieve his territory gain with China. In essence, Nehru was over confident about and overestimated Indian strength vis-a-vis Chinese, or to say that Nehru under estimated Chinese will and strength.
Today India again becomes a favorite of USA and the West. Hope history will not repeat itself and that India not make the same mistake second time by overestimate its own strength and underestimate Chinese by being provocative in the border with China.
You are spot on
Having dealt with both Indians and Chinese, I think there is also a cultural element at play here. Indians tend to be overly confident of their own capabilities while Chinese tend to be modest and humble despite being extremely capable. Indians tend to give the good talk but the work itself generally doesn't really turn out to be as good as what they portray in speech whereas Chinese tend to not be as flowery with their speech but let their actions and results do the talking instead.
Every Indian must see this
Then of course, read the book
A good part of what is said here were said in Neville Maxwell's INDIA'S CHINA WAR
But here, Avtar Singh Bhasin's revealations are damning beyond redemption
Constitute an advisory Committee with Avtar Singh Bhasir as Convener and three other persons still alive who he knows are aware of story of the Indo-China Border, include one who can read and knows land survey.
Let the Committee write what India should do to arrive at a solutions with China.
Respect from a Pakistani Viewer, Dr. Karan Thapar is indeed setting a new high while discussing the controversial topics and historical issues.
Deep respect that such honesty still exists in India academia. He is a shinning hope for peace and prosperity to a developing Asia and definitely in short supply.
I knew about bogus claim of India over Aksai Chin but Tawang was a news to me.After reading articles about Nehru's role in the Kashmir problem and India-China border dispute,my respect for him has greatly diminished.Is it that the people(Nehru included)who ran the country after independace were not sufficiently capable of handling foreign affairs?It clearly means that they were short sighted,blind nationalists.
Kashmir is in India because of Nehru and Nehru alone. As for Tawang, it is still in India. Are you agreeing with this idiot that Nehru should have given it away?
A very unfortunate situation in history where the Indian leadership simply ignored reality. It's time that India opens up the old records and have a decent and reasonable border negotiation with China to achieve a long lasting peaceful resolution to the border dispute.
Brilliant work by mr. Singh and a great interview 👏. 👍
Ignoring reality is exactly the problem Indian leadership has, India could be so much more if it had practical leadership akin to China's.
That is why Modi said no Chinese intrusion. Remember Chini Chini Bhai Bhai ...At that time both countries were good friend...but Nehru forward policy was a mistake. It will take generation to correct the mistake.
How can Nehru spoil something once Modi established that Hindi Chini bhai bhai? Did he get reincarnated to spoil Modi's plans?
@@zaurukraus9296 Chini Chni Bhai Bhai was establish between Nehru and Mao
Good observation
So this is what Modi meant when, during the 2020 Galwan skirmishes, that the Chinese are not on our territory
@@chitmengkhong4057 why did he say that? can you please care to explain?
@@newtanagmukhopadhyay4716 That's him reasserting his authority & indirectly dressing down people in the military for reigniting the border tension & dispute. Indian military people at the front-lines can sometimes get a little ahead of themselves with their hubris & ego, and out of control. A less extreme form of Pakistan military.
Seldom do I see Indians tell the truth. This time, bravo!
This is because of Western slavery democracy in India..
His braveness of admitting that for all these years it was India, especially Nehru, made mistakes and caused unnecessary war and bad relationship btw the two countries made me into tears.
It doesn't take braveness to tell the truth, just honesty and integrity
Takes massive braveness when the audience don’t want to hear it.
Telling the truth is not easy, respectable scholar! From a third-party perspective of a Malaysian, I don’t lean towards any side. but just hope that everyone can rationally face the historical facts and a responsible politician can try to draw a full-stop mark to history for the people. What the people need is a stable and peaceful life, not the endless teasing played by those politicians.
😅活捉野生大叔！
I’m so happy there is such honest scholarly work in India even though it’s 60 years late. But it’s never too late.
Peace between India and China is the only way forward
This conflict is counter productive
Nothing I mean nothing of substance will come from this
Always remember Indian and Chinese kingdoms existed peacefully from the dawn and throughout the course of our respective civilisations all while amounting to 50% of then Global GDP collectively
If it was possible then, it's certainly today
India and China in ancient times existed peacefully because in those days China had no border with India. Peace between Chinese and Indians is impossible. This is according to the law of Kautilya.
@@dipakbose2677
Filipino Prez Duterte was more smart and pragmatic
He improved relations with China despite having more intense border dispute
Even Vietnam
India will only become isolated with hostilities if it does not fix the borders
I have been saying this all along. Even if this is not true, it is in India's long term interest to negotiate the border with China without Axie Chin.
@Ghulam Mohammad Khudadad Sarwar
Those who do not learn from history is bound to repeat it. Facts are of paramount importance but not to a sick mind.
@Ghulam Mohammad Khudadad Sarwar modi said no one came in or was in our land in the galwan dispute.
@@medialcanthus9681 Modi was right!
@Ghulam Mohammad Khudadad Sarwar Unless India makes peace with the neighbors it will be a big loser ... While Indians point fingers at others and play victim they never look inwards ... destroyed Sri Lanka for 30 years after creating world number 1 terrorist LTTE ...blockaded nepal after devastating earthquake ... at war with China and Pakistani forever and largest importer of weapons while being an underdeveloped poor nation.
@@stevencher9968 Unless India makes peace with the neighbors it will be a big loser ... While Indians point fingers at others and play victim they never look inwards ... destroyed Sri Lanka for 30 years after creating world number 1 terrorist LTTE ...blockaded nepal after devastating earthquake ... at war with China and Pakistani forever and largest importer of weapons while being an underdeveloped poor nation.
What a wonderful honest guy. He is a credit to India.
Respect from a Chinese viewer! The rational discussion based on historical documents. I can only imagine how most Indian public receive this though. China-India conflict has been undermined by the hidden bomb by Brits. People need to get it right before more cooperation can be made.
Just because India "s position on Aksai Chin was weak, does not mean that China had a valid claim on Aksai Chin
@@helpingempowerwomen Aksai Chin in Uyghuri is " Chinese White Stone Barren" It is nowhere near India and sounded like Indian.
Honorable Shree Bhasin sahib you are bold and stand by truth. I am sure all truth lovers and those who love this country appreciate your truthfulness. Your book will be an authentic source of right information for our present and future generations. I was in primary school when Nehru visited many times at the place I lived. I lived in the town where world famous Dam was built. Every time Nehru visited there our teachers made us stand on both sides of the road there. And on Nehru's passing through that road on a car we children were asked to wave little flags and shout "Chacha Nehru zindabad"
Only now we realize that we greeted a PM who was so irresponsible towards crucial matters of our country. So sad. Thanks Shree Bhasin 🙏
British Criminal Negligence, Nehruvian Idiocy driven Arrogance and 62 war ensures that two great civilizations of Asia continue to be at loggerheads instead of being symbiotic powers as have been through centuries in our ancient history!
Right.
You are absolutely correct!
Very informative. I knew most of it for years. I pitty Godi media and fantaics slogan "Aksai Chin hamara hai" 1962 war was forced on China by India and then get humiliated. God forbid, if there is war, India will get humiliated again. Large chunk of Inda defence budget goes towards pensions and luxury of officers. Anybody wishing to contradict me is requested to do the reserch first
india at war with China and Pakistani forever and largest importer of weapons while being an underdeveloped poor nation.
First serve and then comment on the luxury pensions. This attitude is the reason our veterans suffer.
Can't be selfless but feel entitled to talk shit on service personnel.
@@r-vinth7923 He is probably a Chinese bot paid to weaken and demoralize the country from within.
If you learn to spell first then you might be taken seriously 🤣
I have read this book and was shocked .we should have settled the western border taking up the Chinese offer in early 1950s . He sent Chou en lai to meet Morarji Desai and other leaders . Generations of Indians are suffering because of this rigid attitude.
That would have meant that we accept Chinese imperialism on Tibet, East Turkistan, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria. India should have invaded China in 1949.
Please read and understand the problem before commenting.
The CIA tried to assassinate Chou En Lai on his trip back and obviously has been stirring up trouble between India and China since that time
And you are a communist agent.
You are a fool to think that the Chinese would have stopped after giving up Aksai Chin.
For the first time an Indian historian is bringing out the truth. Unfortunately relation with China have scummed to Our internal politics. I personally feel that Mr Nehru fell prey to Western perfidy: which was intended to eliminate any chance to improve Indo China relation particularly when Nehru coined the “Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai slogan”
Now that the truth are out, once and for all, lets settle this futile so called border dispute, the root of which lies in the legacy of colonialism, with our nation integrity and pride intact. I am sure our neighbour will welcome our approach especially that their foreign minister has just visited New Delhi 🙏🙏🙏.
Agree with you totally!
Yes. Let us accept our mistakes, obstinacy and lack of knowledge. Let our people study and know before flexing muscles by torpedoing china unnecessarily.
Facts were always there. All of external affairs, bureaucracy and ministers (as and when they become one) know the facts.
The issue is always politics, which Mr Bhasin is not talking about. It was politics in 1950s and 1960s, and it is politics in 2020s which will not let this issue be settled.
Just get in the details of land swap with Bangladesh and you will understand what I am talking about. The BJP in opposition was calling it a sellout for UPA to do land swap with Bangladesh and in 2014 Modi did it as one of the first things as PM. Congress supported it while in opposition because it was the right thing to do even when India lost a lot of land. The question is why was BJP opposing it in opposition? Politics.
If what has been presented here is true, India and its people should rethink their stands on the disputed borders with China.
An eye opener for every Indian citizen.
WTF Arunachal was under Tibet and we are the ones illegally occupying it.
sushh!! now that we have it just keep quiet and accept the boundaries xD
You mean entire NE? 😂 we have more similarities with China than we do with u indians.
Great interview on such a sensitive subject which is often overlaid with intense human emotion. Karan Thapar has done well in summarising the gist of what AS Bhasin wrote and said. I am so happy that at last there is a retired Indian govt officer who has the guts and good sense to open up the "files" of sensitive information for the world to appreciate the detailed circumstances to which the problems first arose. Salute to you Mr Bhasin. May you have a healthy and long life for your service to the Indian and Chinese people.
thanks for ghe good words
Very important interview indeed! India-China boundary issues and the conflicts on the border are the result of the unreasonable obstinacy of Prime Minister Nehru. His mistake has cost both India and China avoidable loss of lives and economic resources over the years. Hope the Indian public are widely informed of these facts and there is public pressure on the Government of India to correct the historical mistake and reestablish peace and amity between two great Asian nations.
It's good that you are critical of Nehru. Just keep in mind have that same courage when you have to analyse modi government performance of past 8 years !...Do rem Nehru did mess China thing but had done a great great deal of service to the nation not just as a freedom fighter but also in establishing primier national institutions which helped India become economically, socially prosperous.
@@ageless1003 lol prosperity. What joke. anyone who supports Nehru is morally bankrupt. 75% people had no toilets until 2000s. How shameless you are. Imagine modi had to had to change that after 67 years of independence . IITs are not great , they are ranked very low globally , close to Pakistani institutions. it just has low intake which makes it tough to get into. No one in the world considers IITs as great institutions, it is the students only that are successful that too in USA. Hindus are progressive on an average, we would have achieved much more. Even Manmohan is credited with 90s reforms that was actually forced by IMF, imf bailouts is prescriptive and have to be followed. Your fav party made this country a shithole and you are praising. Cong misrule and appeasement policy is the reason we have strong right wing movement.
@@djrandomwalker7656 what rubbish you have written. You seem like a graduate of WhatsApp University. Keep living in a fools world, that's what makes you a certified sunghi. We are currently seeing (since 8 years) first hand what sunghis are capable of. Open Defecation free is a joke (just like his all other policies - Ujjwala, swachh Bharat, namami gange, smart cities etc), everyone even today goes out to defacate on railway lines. Modi is a liar and so are his supporters. You guys are not even dust on nehru shoes.
An absolutely brilliant and well-conducted interview.
India and China have to make a peace that is honourable to both sides.
👏👏👏
Chinese do not want any peace at all. They want expand their empire but by bit. Some traitors in India accept their position without understanding what has happened to the people of Tibet,east Turkistan, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria.
Formosa was ruled by China only for 8 years before they gladly gave it away to Japan.
7 years we didn't know china was building a road implies that area did NOT belong to India in use & custom.
阿克钦和藏南不属于印度 属于中国🇨🇳
One of the most scholarly and rational conversation.
What an honest and brave man, India and China should not have been enemies.
The border’s issue between China and India must be permanently solved. So, both countries can move forward, the sooner the better.
Voltaire once said that "In a protracted argument both sides are wrong". So best negotiate a settlement. Since amongst the 14 countries that have borders with China, 13 of them had settled their border with China by negotiation. India is the last country to do it.
19th century Indians leaders never change mentality
I have doubt but not anymore that Chinese people are reasonable and peaceful.
Thank you Mr. Bhasin for writing this book - hopefully with all this information of the real facts, China and India can finally find peace.
History has judged China fairly because India has very contradictory and questionable arguments about its own root along the Chinese borders.
India and China must sort out differences and cooperate to be stronger together to meet future geopolitical challenges...
Remember not long ago both were colonised and oppressed by foreign powers... do not allow these foreign powers to divide and rule over you, two great nations ✊✊
the fact that India kept the henderson brooks report hidden from public, showed that India learned nothing and moving forward is difficult.
hey whats that?
My greatest respect to you two gentleman. Upholding truth is a rare find nowadays.
The things was Nehru firmly refuse to negotiated with China for the border and said "India's territory is not negotiable" , only if no talks, what else could be done? only war .
My full respects to them all, it is very seldom in this country with people to come out to say the truth.
thanks. where are you from? shanghai?
Very informative , I hope we understand mistakes of our beloved Nehru on China. Order and Kashmir issue. Most important is congress party as well as opposition has to agree on the matter and allow government to settle at least China issue .
I have to admit that in-spite of your anti Bjp/modi views you have presented a valuable informative interview. Thanks a lot for this. You deserve appreciation .
How is BJP concerned?
What's the point in condemning Nehru?
What were our common people doing?
Did our intelligentsia or bureaucracy made people aware?
Betràn Russell in his book Unarmed Victory said the same as Avtar Singh Bhasin. Kudos!!
Damn! It’s like I was living in a cave.
Thank you for such revelations, thank you mr. Bhasin, it takes a hell lot of courage to do such things
Also note that Morarji Desai was the foreign minister who refused to discuss the issue with the Chinese ambassador.
If only pakistan china and India can behave sensibly like europe and promote trade and tourism , there will be economic boom and development for the masses.
Once india-china border issue is resolve, pakistan will be alone in dealing with its issues. By then, China can be more straightforward in partnering with India. My fear is Pakistan running back to be a US puppet ,and Asia peace will be compromise once again.
I think China has always shown willingness to settle the disputes in a mature fashion like an adult. It was China who consistently presented to India great offers to once and for all quash the border disputes. But even if one side is rational and reasonable, as long as the other party, in this case India, is behaving irrationally, nothing can be done. I believe China has always been willing to develop amicable relationship with India but it was India who painted China as the enemy all these years over reasons that the Indian government was the root cause of.
@@sleepyhead6468 Agree, Indian culture and its democratic system will prevent the border settlement in next few decades.
Salute to the author, and a big credit to Indian people. Hope the facts he has been showing in his book will prevail, and India and China will work together and find a solution for their border issues. We Chinese people will be happy to see India be wealthy, prosperous and powerful.
But China has already snatched Arunachal Pradesh cartographically and is behaving in a very colonialist imperialist way by snatching Bhutanese territory and making an end run for Indian territory from inside Bhutan
I am happy that you say that Chinese wish India well. But, China' attitude towards India is hardly friendly
The border issues between Russia and China are more complicated than those between India and China. Once they talked and solved the border issues, conflicts between them were minimized and developments maximized. PM Modi said that China never trespass on Indian territory. Recently both sides took action to retreat and improve the dispute border situation is a good sign although there are other underlying stimuli such as US supports Pak militarily etc.
Lol India saying china is colonial mentality over Bhutan when Indian is occupying Bhutan militarily.
This is why China can't discuss with indians. All talk, disregard clear facts and just make up theur own fake reality. Just like nerhu and India like this video proves. Now they repeat the lies long enough and it has become revisionist facts for Indians.
Why do we produce so few honest intellectuals people of integrity like Mr. Bhasin .....he has this old world charm about him
One most important point was completely missed why China attacked India in 1962??It was same situation for India between USA and China as today Ukrain is facing.West was giving aid to India to support Tibet revolution and contain Communists.Even in 1959 India gave refuge to Dalai Lama.Mao tried to stop any "supply" to Tibet from India borders by putting border under soldiers eye.Nehru in response gave orders to counter them.This situation enraged Mao and he vowed to teach India and specially Nehru a lesson.
One benefit of doubt I want to give Nehru is that perhaps he had no other choice other than taking USA side because India was under deep need of funds.
Sir. I suggest please read the book and you will have a better perspective of the problem.
This advice I shall humbly give to all the friends You cannot get a true perspective merely watching an interview since in a short time every things cannot be covered. If U still have doubts I will always be there to remove your doubts. A. S. Bhasin
Thankfully India escaped the fate of Ukraine because US switched policy towards China to wean it away from then fellow communist internationalist USSR.
Indians were no longer needed to be canon fodder to poke China on the pretext of supporting Tibbetans.
Nehru was busy missing and thinking of Mrs Mountbatten after the latter left India. He could not fully execute his duties to the nation. That's why the present Indians are suffering.
There are seldom two situations alike and the comparison with Ukrainian is hardly tenable.
@@Hokumai444 no comments Sir
Insightful interview, Please continue to invite such learned persons so that we can understand history without any bias. Normally, In Indian channels, bias is either for or against BJP.
never against BJP !!!...only 'For'...that's why they have bought all of them.
ha ha ha ha ! Karan Thapar and unbiased reporting - that too on Nehru, Congress and Indo-China war !! ha ha ha ha ! Oh, such smooth trolling ! Who was Gen P N Thapar ?
@@bkk5153 haha...tell me who is Sudhir Tihari whom you watch everyday ?..2000 rupee note has GPS !!...lol
Classic interview. Good inputs to solve the border issues between India & China. Let's hope for the best. Peace and No War, Please . Brilliant statesmen go for Peace & Development. Fools go for War & Destruction.
Thank you Karan Thaparji! Mr. Bhasin was so explicit!
Wow!!!! No matter how modern the times become, the relevance of history always triumphs. Mr Nehru's stance on China seems disastrous from what has been discussed thus, it's indeed in the interest of our nation to stabilize, delineate and demarcate our borders once and for all.
This means giving away territory to China especially in eastern sector and that is not going to happen
Let us not curse Nehru always. Let us resolve the issue ourselves. Here and now.
we should revise our stand on tibet and revoke our acceptance of chinas claim on tibet.
阿克钦 和 藏南 属于中国
Wow. This has changed my opinion about China completely. We have to figure out how to work the border issues more amicably.
A true historical evidence based , well researched book should become part of the must read course curriculum so that wrongs could be straightened up and the facts are passed on to the posterity.
Let us stop bantering china.
Many thanks madam for comments after reading the book Generally most people make ill-informed comments without reading the book! And one feels exasperated
Mr Bhasin 's book should not only be printed in ALL the provincial languages but ALSO SUBSIDIZED by the Indian Govt. So that the WHOLE NATION IS ON THE SAME PAGE IN INDIAN HISTORY , FOR PERPETUAL PEACE & PROSPERITY !!!!!
The problem is if some party try spreading this book's information, they will be considered anti-national.
Most common people simply think with ego that we shouldn't give anything to chinese. They don't understand that finalizing border is win-win for both countries in long-term.
@@dreadfulbodyguard7288
Absolutely agree. lmagine if these facts are known to the lndian public, the border issue could be amicably settled without ultra nationalism that stems from misunderstanding of the whole issue. lmagine how a settlement could benefit both countries in future cooperation. That would truly bring about the asian century. And that is what the western imperialists fear most.
@@dreadfulbodyguard7288 it should be openly discussed not only in India but also in China both countries should make peace it will be absolutely a win win for both countries
In India, nobody reads books
It’s so obvious that we did not care to look after our far flung areas & people there- for decades. Nehru sort of hoped that things will fall in place magically. He had no vision what will happen to China in future & foolishly assumed that we will ramble along. It was a very careless attitude he took, to say it charitably. Truth may even be that he did so under the instructions of British!
@@navinasimoes who the hell is Mustafa Kemal and why is he in this discussion?
@@navinasimoes what’s this sweeping statement about UC? Ridiculous.
@@navinasimoes What are you rambling about? This was a discussion on foreign policy & you bring in UC, superstitions & cheap statements.
Bye.
@@navinasimoes What reality? The topic was foreign policy… not your stupid narrative.
Politicians are by and large too emotional & irrational which undermines their judgement.
India-China border disputes boils down to the fact that the border terrain is rugged & the border line of demarkation unclear.
Disputes could arise easily.
The solution is to harness modern technology to remap the
disputed stretch with emphasis on use of AI
(artificial intelligence).
Satellites, drones, 6G Huawei stations could solve the long standing
problems affecting Sino-Indian relations.
true. we have nm reason to be hostile to each other. the russia ukraine war has shown the hypocrisy of the west. hope we sort out our differences soon and resolve it ASAP.
Just make peace with China naturally both gain much much more I am very sure both lost too much to western imperialist
Glad to see an honest Indian scholar revealing the truth. It is a tragedy for two great ancient civilizations and neighbors to be enemies. Both sides should settle the border peacefully and work together to better humankind.
After listening to this wonderful discussion -- it can be concluded that Nehru's negligence of the China issue -- was of a criminal nature. One is forced to conclude that, since Nehru was no idiot, or an illiterate. It can now, in retrospect, be safely concluded that he had been bought over, or manipulated into doing all those things that are attributable to him.
Many of the coterie that surrounded him also seem to have given him advice on the China issues, which was outright disastrous for the country.
It will therefore be a wonderful lead to investigate and establish, albiet by investgative journalists, the nexus of Nehru and his coterie of bureaucrats with their handlers.
In case it isn't so -- then we will have to conclude that Nehru was the biggest idiot we ever had, going for us as a prime minister.
If what is stated is true....then why not embark on Realpolitik and settled this border dispute...it really does not matter as Kruschev said, 5 km here & there. What matters is peace and security for all sides!
Don't waste money anymore!
Shri Avatar Singh Bhasinji has done an outstanding service to the nation by writing this book, though it came many many decades later to educate Indians on the actual border issue.
Nehru ignored sage advice of Sardar Patel, Rajaji, HV Kamath, Frank Anthony and numerous others and totally messed up and created the border issue. No wonder Zhou En Lai had reported to have said, Nehru is the most arrogant man he had ever met in his life.
according to a scholar, Nehru a high caste actually treated Zhou not as equal.
@@willengel2458lmao their highest caste is not even equal to a rat in the real world.
Zhou en-Lai 's government gave feelers to Nehru to give up its claims on Aksai Chin in return for Chinese acceptance of McMahon Line with little alterations here and there... subject to negotiations.
Present government should deal with this and sort out the issue with China in the spirit of give and take and settle the border. Opposition can be taken into confidence....it should happen immediately after 2024 general elections as the new government shall have full 5 years to manage political fall out ...
Let us not torpedo or curse china all the time.
Author Bhasin is right : we should EDUCATE our people. Nehru bashing is not the point.
But too late, many Indians even demand the whole Tibet.
From the comments of Indians in youtube, looks like many Indians do not know Indian's history and they do not know much about world's history either. I think this is Indian government's fault.
The entire episode reflects poorly about the way border and Tibet issue was handled during that period.
Entire episode reflects how the Indian government lies to the people
Respect Sir Singh!
That's why I always respect and trust Punjabi. Bitter or sweet, honesty is in their gene. They are like the Nagas of Northeast India.
Take care of health Thapar and Bhasin both.
How do u know the Nagas?
I am not a fan of Karan Thapar because of what I consider as, his "blind hatred" towards Modi.
However, I have to admit that this was a very good interview and it takes some courage to point out Nehru's faults - even ~60 years after his passing.
I am not sure if Karan Thapar is trying to redeem his father who presided over the drubbing of India in the Indo-Chinese war of 1962 (General Pran Nath Thapar was the fourth Chief of Army Staff of the Indian Army. The Sino-Indian War was fought during his term, in which the Indian Army fared poorly. Thapar resigned during the last stages of the war, handing charge to Lt. Gen. J. N. Chaudhuri - FROM WIKIPEDIA)
Another interesting fact - General Pran Nath Thapar and in extension. Karan himself, are related to Nehru 🙂
No one is God. Not even Nehru !...its great that such discussion and book are written on this topic.
Jaishankar told Wang Yi that China-India relations could not go forward if the border issues were not settled. Jaishankar knew the emotional Indian public would roast him alive if he had. This revelation, if it is well-disseminated by the Indian media, could offer the Modi government an off-ramp he needs to improve the rapprochement with China. Perhaps, the wise Jaishankar has a hand in bringing this revelation to light. He knows India's prosperity lies not in a military alliance with the US but in win-win economic cooperation with China.
I am only thinking of the countless soldier's lives lost in the wars and defending the indefensible LAC
@han wen everyone is. you know what i say, accept the current border as permanent one and settle this once for all. it would be the best thing to do.
It is amazing and finally, the cat is out of the bag. Karan Thapar is lucky to find Avtar Bhasin to reveal all the" facts". India has wasted trillions of rupees all these years. I am not sure whether the Modi Government has the courage to alter the policy. It should be added Premier Chou En-lai had come to Delhi especially in April 1960 to sort out the problems, But the American lobby sabotaged the talks and the country was humiliated in the war. Nehru proved totally incompetent as a leader.
The history is always repeating itself. Days ago, the Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi visited India, in a historical moment. India side chose to ignore the significance of this visit, but cold faces him.
We will see the consequences a few years later from now.
USA wants India n China to be in dispute.. if they came into agreement, they would be formidable against the west
@@ParkerAt941 To be fair, Wang Yi visit was to examine relationship between India and China. Hopefully this video can help Indian public to deal with the border issue in a more flexible manner, which is the key to resolve any issues.
Thank you, Mr..Bhasin, and Karan. It would appear Mr. Bhasin has done his research extremely well to be so emphatic and stand by what he has said in today's interview.
Very difficult to say why Nehru behaved in what clearly is "irrational" but the damage has been done to the country.
It becomes necessary for the Govt of the day to confirm all facts, bring it out in the public domain. Negotiations with China are a must, as the next step. And, as mentioned by Mr. Bhasin, if there is no evidence to support our claim on Aksai Chin, it is best to return it to China. Of course, negotiations will have to be comprehensive, as these should also include territory ceded to China by Pakistan in POK.
In the interest of peace, it is necessary to swallow our pride and re-start negotiations.
Thank you both for such a lucid interview, and thanks Avtar Singh Bhasin for his work.
The problem with this lingering border issue doesn't only affect India/Indian ppl, it also adversely impact China/Chinese, in addition, this can be exploited by the US to further damage Sino-India relationship.
India and China are neighboring countries for thousand years, which won't change, both are huge and populous, there are no inherent threats against each other. China has never treated India as a rival or threat (b/c rationally it shouldn't be). It's ridiculous to keep the border issues going, it doesn't benefit anyone except for maybe the US exploiting it.
China and India can be friendly and help each other, instead of the unnecessary little disputes.
We the common people must not pressurise government to go for brawls, battles, and wars. Our position is frugal. China owns the disputed area.
Thank you Mr. Avatar Singh Bhasin
If it was not a matter of high stake state affair it could have been easily as hilarious as any Pink Panther redux.
Wonderful and to the point. Bravo !!!!
1. Bhasin has done a great service to us indians and we should thank him for this dedicated effort based on the archives. 2. This book informs us about the facts of the matter but will also help Chinese to blow their trumpet. 3. Nehru is now once for all, thoroughly discredited. 4. Wish someone writes a similar book on J&K so that we can finally bury his ghost for ever. 5. Modi now has a tough job on hand but he is handling it very well. Various agreement with the Chinese like 1993 one etc should be the basis for settlement of border issue with the Chinese. Luckily, he has Jai Shankar to help him out. 6. Bhasin should hold a seminar for the cabinet on this and also for the MPs. This will help create a right atmosphere n consensus in the country. Forget Nehru and Congress but how to resolve the issue going forward, given the facts of the case from 1947. 7. Thanks to Karan for the interview. Unfortunately, he could not get anything to malign Modi in this interview. 8. Sadly, Neville Maxwell is proved right today!! We Indians should hang our head in shame for the kind of leaders we had. So called uncouth Chinese leaders very far more intelligent, cunning, foresighted and rationale than our dear Barrister Chacha Nehru. 9. Nepal is now making the same mistake on Kalapani etc. as Nehru did..to unilaterally decide the border! Hope the history does not repeat and Nepal gets it from India!!
BJP and Congress are two wings of the same bird, my friend. They keep playing us
@@gauravtejpal8901 obviously - just see how many leaders from congress are currently in BJP. lol....@Surendra Barsode though right on Nehru wrt China but is wrong on Nehru overall. He is just another chaddi who got an opportunity to rant against Nehru once again. Modi was and is illeterate and knows noting. The statement which he makes clearly shows it. That's why he doesn't do any press conference. His stupidity will come in front of everyone.
Very well said.
@@gauravtejpal8901 that is best answer you can come up with, when the position is indefensible.
In ur point 5 replace jaishankar with Ajit doval. Doval ji is right person for this not jaishankar (for various reasons ex: search where jaishankars sons are living , where is his brother living , who is his wife etc)
Only one solution to chinese border problem that is give up Aksai chin....and china will give up claim on Arunachal Pradesh.
Mr.Karan Thaper is an asset for Indian Generalism especially for Point TV. He analysis is always appreciated coz it's comprehensive N informative. Thumbs up for him
I pray that peace prevails between India and China.
Most of the info. I collected before were from non Indian sources .. n this is the first most factual n balanced historical narratives .. now it is confirmed that most of my perceptions were historically tenable ..
Hope the Indian general public will appreciate this perspective n renew the cooperation between India n China 。。politically, the public correct sentiment is the only way to drive away this non constructive impasse between 2 great nations for common good especially Asia , being exploited by Western Imperialism n unilateral hegemony..
true bro. indian myself but we should settle our border once for all. t e russia ukraine war has shown the hypocrisy of tbe west.
@@newtanagmukhopadhyay4716 u are the first to endorse my Indian narratives.. indeed both neighbours have lived fir thousands of years n Chinese derived s good portion of their culture from India not vice versa.. please keep in touch as I want to establish a dialogue with a few citizenry from India ...
@@yuanhaochue2889 sure yuan.
British drew some line on the map, but didn't control the area or enforced it on anyone. Burma and Pakistan negotiated with China, some give & take. Only India insist on claiming Brit colonial line. Worse, even claiming western sector where Brits never claimed, Askai Chin.
Another important point is Tibet. India wanted Tibet or as a buffer state. That's the reason India rejected Zhou's land swap offer in Delhi. How you think Dalai could easily cross into India? Why Tibetan regiment in Indian army?
Dispute is entirely India's own decision. Not British or the West.
This video is shocking to me. As an american, I thought the Chinese were the aggressors and had no claim whatsoever! Wow.
Amazing interview! Mr.Bhasin has a point. Nehru was a democrat for everything except when it came to China. He must be judged for that.
Go and blame Nehru directly.🤔😭🚴♂️
@@appavi3959 I don't think it is right to 'blame'. Somebody of Nehru's stature must have an honest obituary.
@@Mjjjyyy it is not the question of blaming. If a bad situation is to be corrected it is important to know where have we went wrong only then you can resolve the problem. To live for ever with the erroneous understanding make the problem complicated making the situation worst.
@@asbhasin9251 I am future civil service aspirant sir from Punjab. I intend to get into IFS someday. Your erudition and research inspires. Thank You.
@Ghulam Mohammad Khudadad Sarwar no one is perfect. But if Nehru were not the prime minister in the infancy of india, india would have been broken to a 100 pieces. He had bigger priorities like feeding his people than fighting on a cold desert.
Hi friends, Aksai Chin, actually means white sand beach of China
Now that this information is available, let's hope Indian public will be more flexible and understand china's perspective too.
It will be good if India and China can develop relations like Us and canada.
Absolutely
To all those criticizing Jawaharlal Nehru for rejecting Zhou Enlai's swap offer in Aksai Chin and Tawang, let me mention that it is very easy to judge in hindsight. Put yourself in Nehru's shoes at that time and think. Read some of my points below.
1. Nehru had approached the U.N. over the Jammu and Kashmir issue with Pakistan despite the Indian military gaining a decisive upper hand against the invaders and the Pakistani military in the 1947-48 War, because of which Pakistan continues to occupy one-third of the erstwhile princely state . Today, we vehemently criticize Nehru for his poor decision. Maybe he felt it was right in approaching the U.N. as per the situation in 1947-48. But it has proven to be a blunder in hindsight and we continue to suffer because of that.
2. India's recapturing of the Hyderabad princely state and Goa through military actions proved to be good, swift decisions and might have given Nehru a shot in the arm.
3. Learning from the outcomes of his government's decisions on J&K, Hyderabad and Goa, Nehru may have thought that taking a tough stance over the Indo-China dispute would bear fruitful results. Contrary to what he had done against Pakistan, Nehru refused to budge and give away even an inch of what his government perceived to be Indian territory. At the same time, he had never imagined that the Chinese would launch an all-out ground assault and so, the Indian Army's readiness was extremely poor.
4. Zhou Enlai's swap offer was informal and there is no official document about it. Also, Nehru had become suspicious of China's intentions in the late 1950s and the early 1960s. So, it is quite likely that he doubted Enlai's informal swap offer and did not fall for Enlai's possible trap. If today we praise Modi for taking hard stance, in hindsight we cannot criticize Nehru for doing the same.
Now, in the hindsight you can either criticize Nehru for going soft over Jammu and Kashmir against Pakistan and not resolving the matter then and there itself, or criticize him for not going soft over Aksai Chin against China. We cannot criticize him on both fronts. It is extremely unfair to pin him down for every bad decision in hindsight.
We must remember that since 1949 when the Communist China came into being, this country has never compromised with even an inch of its territory in its disputes with any of its neighbors. It tricks its neighbors into ceding its claimed territories by creating artificial disputes as a bargain to swap territories. The victim country does not realize that it has been conned by China and that the territory which it (the victim) has kept in the bargain was never really in dispute, but was artificially created by China to gobble up the entire territory it actually claimed. So, China is never to be trusted and Nehru was right in maintaining his firm stance. Let's be fair in our assessment looking back.
The things was Nehru firmly refuse to negotiated with China for the border and said "India's territory is not negotiable", if the Chinese says the same thing as Mr. Nehru's, what else could happan? A war!
the Chinese fought the British, the Japanese, the Americans in Korea, and the Russians on the board, why did Mr. Nehru suppose the Chinese won't fight Indians?
@@kevinrock9802 okay. Do you support Nehru's decisions and actions on Jammu & Kashmir matter with Pakistan?
19th century India invaded Goa, Sikkim, Nagaland, Kashmir and annexed with.......China invaded Tibet to save from movement of American spy agency CIA.....CIA tried to destabilise China from Tibet after 1949...
What you’re saying is Mr Bhasin is misinformed ?
Mr Thapar is getting great guests one after another
Hope that classified information offered by Mr AVTAR SINGH BHASIN can result in peaceful negotiations between the 2 oldest civilizations in Asia.
@han wen true that.
Thank you so so Much Mr Avtar Singh.
What about the hundreds of Indian soldiers who died in war with China and are still dying at the border? Why hasn’t this issue been honestly resolved by Indian government till date? I think we all know the answer- it’s mostly the sons of poor farmers who are serving in army or paramilitary forces. None of these politicians care what happens to the country or the men and women serving the country. Horrible situation.
It was a war which Nehru invited
@@asbhasin9251 I agree with you. But what about the responsibility of the PMs after him? Can they just blame Nehru and wash off their hands from this responsibility of resolving this border dispute?
Modi is not willing to resolve border issue yet.Modi is also a coward Prime Minister....All India's neighbours hoped good hopes in the beginning but all hopeless now...Coward Prime Minister can not make any decision properly
Thank u Karan and Bhasin sir. The country is indebted to this courageous Sardarji.