'Nehru Should've Never Made V.K. Krishna Menon the Defence Minister': Jairam Ramesh on his New Book
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Congress Rajya Sabha MP and former minister Jairam Ramesh says former defence minister V K Krishna Menon, who was in office when India lost the 1962 war with China, was unsuited to be defence minister and Jawaharlal Nehru made a mistake appointing him. Menon demoralized and divided the army. He often gave Nehru poor and misleading advice and was a bad defence minister. He was a man possessed by demons and was possibly schizophrenic. He was insecure and craved for reassurance of his worth and value. Consequently, he frequently offered or threatened to resign and though close to Nehru also drained the former PMs patience and tolerance. Jairam Ramesh was speaking to Karan Thapar in an interview for The Wire to mark the launch of his biography of Krishna Menon.
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Where is Karan thapar's impartiality?? As soon as it comes on his father he has changed his color. His father was the army chief at that time but why no mention???
Abhishek Singh did Krishna Menon trapped Gen Thorat, Thimmayya on behalf of Nehru ? Why did Gen Thapar had guts to threaten both these Generals his boss and peer and took name of Nehru and not Menon as the book says
Gen.Pran nath thapar
Oh I see karan is the son of Gen Thapar. Both r of the aame typical character. Any idea of gen kaul and chowdary
No one speaks about their own father critically in public. 🤐
This is the same question in my mind too .
No conversation on Gen P.N. Thapar who was the head of army during the 1962 war ! It was not done because apparently it would have made Karan upset as he happens to be Karan’s father.
It was almost a common knowledge in 60s that General Choudhary was reporting for The Statesman. This probably he used to set few things right in army establishment, where Gun factory , Ichhapur was being used to manufacture Coffee Perculators. and few other absurditied prevalent in army establishment.
Thanks Nehru to choose such defence minister.who was responsible for JEEP SCANDAL. Nehru in that period will spend evening with British journalist of Guardian. Their , both Nehru and Menon were busy pn other personal matters.
General Thapar was highly Incompetent guy. AND CHINESE DEBACLE OF 1962 IS PROOF.
NEHRU AND MENON BOTH WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR CHINESE DEBACLE.
Both are white washing JN
The whole discussion both were trying to malign Gen Chaudhari, successor of General Thapar, father of Karan Thapar,w
How conveniently Daddy was ignored. The general previous to the war was discussed i.e. General Thimayya, the General after the 1962 war was discussed i.e. General Choudhury, however the general leading the war i.e. General PN Thapar was conveniently swept aside. We can't cherrypick it. Please say it as it is. Open the Henderson Brooks Report
The book is not about war...it's about Krishna Menon ....and besides think of it this way : will you rake up your dad's deeds or misdeeds on national platform 58 years after the event....jabaan Hai tho Bolna Hai ....really !! Dumbo !!
Yes, his dad General PN Thapar conspired with krishna menon and wrote a letter with many allegations to his own boss General Thimayya and his peer general Thorat and also threatened them saying PM knows about all these. The debacle of 1962 War is becoz of 3 people Nehru, krishna Menon and then chief of Army father Karan Thapar General PN Thapar.
It is very funny, they deliberately avoided his name in this discussion😁
Venkat Nedunuri I too got the impression they were pussyfooting around Gen Thapar’s role
This should be the level of openness to discuss our own history, debate and learn from them.It also speaks volume on how much British and American were deeply entrenched in the Indian state long after independence.
especially the historic and ongoing rape of india in name of islam
RAKESH AGRAWAL. Please explain: What do you mean by "British & American were deeply entrenched in the India state?" I want to learn from you.
If the generals want to open up to Btit high commissioner it would have been done with the full knowledge that it will be reported and it was treason. All the concerned generals should have been sacked. It is indeed pathetic to assume that Nehru and Menon were oblivious of it. Very convenient.
@@francisgodinho9077 You should peruse the numerous books written about pre and post independent India and draw your own conclusions on the role of Britain and The United States in Indian affairs. No I am unable to give you the names of books, that is for you to research. As a student of History I have spent years researching this fascinating topic.
Defending own father 👍
Karan Thapar's father Lt. General Thapar had written a letter of charge sheet to his BOSS General Thimayya charging him akin to TREASON.
Karan Thapar is silent on the act of extreme subordination and indiscipline of his father.
As the BJP recreates the narrative about Nehru's wrongs it is a perfect time to prove Jairam's loyalty to the Nehru family. This time he uses classic deflection tactic and the poor VK Menon becomes his cheap target. Everyone around Nehru can be proven wrong but Nehru.... wow
A PM may listen to others but decision is exclusively of PM. Rameshji cannot pass the buck to Mr Menon to save Nehru. Nehru made series of blunder ,most inefficient PM.Rameshji etc are British agents to save the blue boy of British
It's a very grey area. Blame cannot be put on one man.
Poor V K Menon you say. I think you should read Brig. J.P Dalvi's book "The Himalayan Blunder" written way before even BJP was found. He was very critical of how VK Menon handled the 1962 war.
Karan Thapar’s father General PN Thapar was Army Chief during the Chinese war 1962 succeeding General Thimaya.
@subhadeep mandal So you want imperial japan or soviet Russia over here? US doesnt execute its generals. Winning and loosing isnt just dependent of Generals, Rommel too lost many battles.
@subhadeep mandal Rommel wasnt executed for D-day failure but for the plot to kill Hitler. If most generals died during WW2 I guess what the Nuremberg Trials were all about.
USA didnt lose any war? Hmmmm. I am pretty sure you dont know any history India or any other country.
Also, by the claim that Rommel was killed after D-day and USA never lost a war, you clearly display that you have no idea of difference between a war and a battle.
@subhadeep mandal lol you know nothing about anything it seems. Nuremberg trials about the police??? Are you crazy or what? Generals dont go on front lines that that can be killed in action. Stop acting like u know anything
subhadeep mandal Good Generals are made not born, and in war a lot depends upon mission, resources, circumstances available to the commander and intangibles.
A best commander can be beaten and that too on a good day, if he gets complacent or make missteps that are in or out of his control.
Marshal Zhukov made a few blunders but had he been killed by Stalin there were no replacements of his caliber. General should NOT send soldiers to mindless slaughter for some notion of future glory and reject missions that are beyond the capabilities of the men under his command. Soldiers recognize that and appreciate that.
Gen Niazi’s decision to surrender was his only military sound decision. It should be appreciated as it saved lives, including lives of Indian soldiers.
Ethics of War are complicated. Different for Army and Air Force as how their styles of warfare has evolved, it impacts and extends to treatment of civilians of the enemy.
A knight in a shining armor is yet to make contact with the enemy. बाक़ी, थोड़ा खुद भी कर लें।
@subhadeep mandal. Suggest you read a book titled The Rommel Papers by Liddel Hart.
First 5 minutes and I already know this is all about blaming Menon and protecting Nehru for the loss of 1962. Karan with his usual style of putting word to the mouth...Do an interview on Roshni act if you have got an ml of your father's blood in your veins.
Karan Thappar's father was the inefficient fellow responsible for India losing
I also read that Morarji,as Finance Minister,was not willing to allocate sufficient funds to Defence
What Karan Thapar didn't speak about was his father was the chief of army staff during the 1962 debacle - convienently skipped it
Very cleverly Mr. Thapar glosses over the disastrous role played by his father General Thapar in our China debacle. Tries to tarnish the image of Gen. Thimayya and Gen. Choudhary. He also did the same thing in defaming FM Maneckshaw on a trivial charge. Disgusting.
Gen PN THAPAR, father of the above speaking journalist Karan Thapar was then CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF under Krishna Menon during debacle of 1962 Sino India war in which India was brutally incarcerated.
Thanks GEN PN THAPAR
The discussion appears more like personel grudges of Thapar for General Thimayya than a discussion about VK Menon. no word for PN Thapar
Karan Thapar father was army chief in 1962 & he was not qualified for that post...why Jairam Ramesh is silent on Gen P.N.Thapar who was made chief because he was supporter of Menon..
Perhaps one point missed by Jayram Ramesh is that V K Krishna Menon also founded Saink School to rectify class and regional imbalances so as to recruit quality military officers. A visionary step.
this must have been proposed by the army and passed by menon - not his original idea
@@105vivek it was his original idea. He was a man with brains.
Thapar wants to quickly highlight how Thimayya was bad 😁
15:34 that reference of "...he(V K K Menon) overlooked Thorat as a sucessor to Thimayya. He played favorites.." is regarding the appointment of P N Thappar as the Chief of Army staff, instead of Gen. Thorat as recommend by Gen. Thimayya. You see, P N Thappar is the father of Karan Thappar , the reason why Karan Thappar might have made this interview with Jairam Ramesh.
Well an outgoing Army chief has no right to recommend his successor and in any case Thapar was senior to Thoeat.
Gen Thapar, Kaul, Nehru and Vk Krishna Menon are the criminals who sent out innocent troops without food, clothing or war preparedness to fight the Chinese. Cold, starved, frozen or killed- the men responsible for their fate- Menon, Thapar, Kaul n Nehru were never punished. There are roads n buildings named after these 4 high headed disasters whereas the patriots who fought an aimless war thanks to these arrogant, ineffective n cowardly quartet died in obscurity . History will never forgive the 4! Posterity will remember their cowardice, their arrogance and the darkness they plunged a fast growing into India because of their self obsession and corrupt practices
Jairam is a junk politician..we from andhra understood his brilliance and the mess he created being part of the state division bill. He is an intellectual but not a leader who understands people pulse. After the ap state re org bill , congress lost both telangana and ap and dont see any future for next two elections atleast.
Ok keep bjp and have fun whole of India is celebrating now 👍
@@nraphael9004 not whole of India. Mulla and leftist are assburnt now.
Atleast better than Modi
Notice that Karan Thapar doesn't bring up the name of Gen Thapar, who was the Indian Army Chief during the 1962 debacle and also Karan Thapar's father..
I am unable to quote the source; I remember reading an interview of Richard Nixon long ago in an American magazine where he talks of Krishna Menon; He tells the interviewer, "" you now, there was a Minister in Indian government by name, V. K. Menon, a great "blah,blah"".
...and Jairam Ramesh says he was admired by Nixon as well??
Devil
Richard Nixon the only president who would have been impeached has no credentials to talk about Menon.
Worst US President was Nixon
Richard Nixon hate krishna Menon because he had several times mocked Nixon in debate. Nixon cannot agree the fact that a black indian is more intelligent than him
Out of 30 mins of the interview, 15 mins on 2 chiefs?? Menon was forgotten lol. As a son of former chief, Karan still carries grudges. Its so clear. How cme Jairam was taken fr a ride evn tho he tries his best to change subject several times.
Karan is an artiste at sidestepping issues he does not want to discuss and lead the discussion to what he wants to say. Not clever and always brazenly done.
Its wrong to compare ABV's position to that of VKKM & Nehru. They had already lost the space for forcing the issue and all ABV could do was to negotiate from what ever position India was left with.
PEACE should be the end goal of an INTELLIGENT, PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY.
Powerful, intelligent, progressive in that order
Communist Krishna Menon disarmed India, which led to weaker India. BTW, Gen. Timmayya wanted just few more weeks to drive out enemies and retake POK in 1948. Gen. Timmayya is a national hero, while cowardly Krishna Menon was a traitor.
Can we move on from discussing people and start discussing Ideas, Values and Morals.
Excellent thought
If ideas are repugnant it stands to reason that their authors should be named and shamed too. To get an idea how infantile Krishna Menon could be at times one could do no worse than reading Khuswant Singh's account , who worked as a Press Attache under Mr Menon when he was the High Commissioner at London.
Prithvi Madugula, unemployment, poverty, education, health service, malnutrition amongst children & adult, roads/infrastructure are some which should be discussed.Yes Ideas, value & morals should also be discussed.
Instead of floccinaucinihilipilificating someone else's hard toiled intellectual work in an maladroit dismissal , why don't you yourself try something productive instead ?
There's plenty of content for those too. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Simply watch what interests you...
Thank God quality stuff after a long time .. fedup with bhakt vs Muslim bashing...
enjoyed the interview thx wire , thx jairam, thx Karan thapar.
Fantastic. Watch this. Nobody is black or white. Some are brown and in between.
Nigel Hamilton, wrote a brilliant bio FDR. But in this interview, Thapar didn't ask a single. Question about his father, Gen. Thapar who was the COAS during 1962 War, which we lost.
Jawaharlal Nehru made many mistakes going to UN and thus allowing LOC, linguistic division of states against advice from Rajaji, going to war with China allowing Army Generals functioning with no sincerity , thanks to his Defenc minister VK Krisnamenon , an unmitigated disaster , as Nehru wasthe undisputed authority then with no scope for public demonstration as it is now .
Look at the pride at labeling themselves "British"! This colonial hangover is exactly what we need to get rid of in our country
This was the case with most of British educated Politicians, diplomats, intellects that stayed at helm of Indian affairs after independence but it is no more the case...so what he is saying is true (which at that time was probably with pride but no more in present context)....Jinnah was another English man who probably more English than King George VI.
Why blame Shri. Krishna Menon, what about the PLAY BOY prime minister called Jawaharlal Nehru.
Both were playboys and probably exchanging notes on their conquests.
यही वह सच्चे पत्रकार हैं जिन्होंने दामोदरदास फेकू का छक्का छुड़ा दिया था फेकू पानी मांग रहा था दोस्ती बनी रहे कह रहा था आप जैसे पत्रकार को मेरा सलाम है सर....👏👏......... जय भारत जय संविधान🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
वो आदमी आगे जाकर देश का दो बार प्रधान मंत्री बन गया , ये आज भी फालतू के interview कर रहा है
Who else for a sec thought shashi tharoor looks old and this way now???
Krishna Menon should have been a diplomat and not a defense minister or NSA.
Fascinating story.
My grandfather founded the V K Krishna Menon Friends Society in Bombay in 1984 and had the international airport road named after him, although VKM passed away in '74 when I was still a kid. We all know that VKM was responsible for India's defeat in the 1962 war with China but it angered my granddad when I mentioned it to him. Just FYI.
Jackson, MS
USA
Communist Krishna Menon disarmed India, which led to weaker India. BTW, Gen. Timmayya wanted just few more weeks to drive out enemies and retake POK in 1948. Gen. Timmayya is a national hero, while cowardly Krishna Menon was a traitor.
What you know is wrong you jokker
@@thomasvarghese3730 what is jokker?
Nobody blames V.K Krishna Menon for 1962 war failure.
The conflict & the clashes leading upto it put the Chinese in an awkward position as they were viewed as the aggressors.
Mao was even berated by Khrushchev for a clash in 1959 when an Indian soldier was killed.
To show his goodwill, Mao ordered a 32km pullback and urged India to reciprocate & accept peace talks. India refused & rejected peace talks.
In a military meeting held in Oct 1962 Mao said: " ...Since Nehru sticks his head out and insists on us fighting him, for us
not to fight with him would be unfriendly - courtesy emphasises reciprocity"
. (Irfan Hussain Dawn News June-20)
And so 1000 Indian soldiers died in 1962.
Nehru with his broad mindedness didn't suspect Chounli and didn't expect the attack of Chaina
Communist Krishna Menon disarmed India, which led to weaker India. BTW, Gen. Timmayya wanted just few more weeks to drive out enemies and retake POK in 1948. Gen. Timmayya is a national hero, while cowardly Krishna Menon was a traitor.
A series of adjectives, some of them uncomplimentary, in his opening comment itself. And then the statement that he is not judgmental.
No one is perfect, someone is more and some has less. And so was Krishna Menon. To talk about them who are no more specifically the shortcomings is not in good taste.
Right you are
@subhadeep mandal study indo China war...there was no way to stop Chinese ..they wanted this war not only for d territory but to defame Nehru coz his non alignment idea was growing stronger and stronger!
And Nehru tried his best to avoid it diplomatically!! U will never understand......better go watch modi speeches
@subhadeep mandal dude RSS and bjp wanted aggression which was not a guy idea...
One India could beg us or ussr for backup by licking their boots in d name of maintenaning gud relationship...and we would be almost like Pakistan and never like d India we r tdy ...
So Nehru had a better option..be gud with China Nd never fall in d tracp of USA and ussr at d cost of China ..so did he....
And d part u r telling...yes der were mistakes in planning and resisting d attack, but remember everyone has ups Nd downs...so u can't BLAME Nehru for that!! There r a lot of things to look at ... Nd believe me if ur RSS and shitty bjp sided ... India would have been worseeee than Pakistan tdy if bjp ruled instead of Nehru
@subhadeep mandal 😂😂😂😂😂😂...
U know shit about history and diplomacy!
China was not a powerful country?🤣🤣🤣this is enough to know how much u know about history!!
Just simple Google might help u if u don't know d GDP was double of India in 1960s ..
Frgt 1960s China was damnn powerful in 1950s itself...Nehru had understood it very well...and we were nowhere near to them..he himself supported the PRC in UN despite denyl by d US ....and u think it's coz of his liking towards their ideology🤣...
Nehru had already stated in d Parliament in 1950 clearly....with facts that ^u like it or not PRC is damn powerful, it is powerful but it's unstable ^ Nd this is exactly y it's so dangerous!
Nehru already had seen d consequences of ussr which was attacked on almost all d fronts ....
So he believed and was wise to think that being friendly with d great powers is better than being against coz d later would have more consequences.....
And 😂😂ur RSS ....man...u r comparing Nehru to dirt on his shoes!!
Nehru was a gem for India! U don't know shit about history and u r talking shitt..
Mao was shit leader and China will always have this black mark on them for backstabbing and till date no one trusts China...but may be ur RSS does...more than they do for Nehru😂😂...
As d power of a country grows their ambitions grow...
So now u r hungry for recognisation...and u like being rebell ...back than India was nothing...but india could have become a scape goat.. if ppl. Having minds like u and RSS were in power !! Nehru drove india from shit times to a prosperous country!!! ...
U don't know anything...ur just misinformed fool...driven by ur nationalism by RSS and bjp ppl ..nothing else..go study some history...Nehru did d right thing...
And u talk of RSS? There are no records of RSS taking part in indo China war nor...prime minister liking them..nor being invited to Republic day parade...it's all lies! A RTI was filed to know this but nothing came out!
RSS was just born out of d greed to sustain BRHAMIn supremacy over d masses under d disguise of Hindu nationalism...they even didn't like d indian national flag....they were bootlickers of British and always stood by their side in divide and rule policy....they opposed quit india movement! Can u believe it? And u r glorifying RSS the real assholes!
U don't know any thing.....a bit of history ..I can just ripppp u properly from all sides..just that I don't wanna waste time on fools like u..who think they know everything..go and put ur head in front of books rather than putting it in bjp and RSS ppl asses!
RSS and bjp it seems....😂🤣🤣..do u even know y it was founded? D very reason of its foundation is anti india!!
U RSS ppl r a black dot on our country ! U shud be ashamed of urselves!!
And do u even know d present scenario of RSS🤣...what can I say more of a shit organisation who make their kids play drama of destroying d babri masjid and building a temple!
Go and have a nap kid....don't debate me ...or if u will..I will kill u with ma facts!
@subhadeep mandal dude....any source or proof that RSS helped and Nehru applauded them?
Any ???? Let's finish d debate!
Great timing.... Khangress has turned into a circular firing squad 😁🤣😆😎
Finally! I have been waiting for an unbiased analysis of Krishna Menon.
Thank KT and JR 🙂
Unbiased??? Karan Thapar didn't discuss about his father's role who was the army chief during indo China war. He is very biased
there is a book by his grand niece as well
as a kaimal i support menon
Lt Gen.. Thorat suggested the use of airforce in one of the war games prior to 1962.This report was not shown to Nehru. Lt.Gen Tapar ( father of Karan Thapar) Lt, Gen BM Kaul
Nehru and Menon are solely responsible for 1962 debacle.
Yes but don't absolve Nehru. He was responsible for appointing Gen. P.N. Thapar by superseding Lt.Gen.Thorat. The reason was Gen.P.N.Thapar's brother in law (Karan's maternal uncle) was married to Nehur's niece Nayantara.
None
None of these politicians like gandhi, nehru, krishna menon, radhakrishnan had any experience in leading the armed forces. The only Indian politician who had that experience was Netaji subhas Chandra Bose. When you fight for nation freedom you bleed, when you get freedom by such sacrifice only then you understand the value of nation freedom.
Still INC is hunting by Andhra Pradesh state division in 2014. They are paying the price for their injustice to the state. Especially chief, few other former ministers are in this worse ever state division
The Americans suspected Nehru to be a Communist. Nehru was a very poor judge of people and he made Menon a Def. Minister. Menon too was a suspect Communist. When the then Army Chief asked for men and materials to counter the advancing Chinese troops Menon refused - quite naturally . Well, the rest is history. It is disgraceful that such a man has a road named after him in New Delhi.
Menon insulted Sam Manekshaw in 1962 that makes me more disappointed!
T .J.S.George (well known jounalist for Blitz) had written a book on Mr. Krishna Menon many years ago.
A rank communist and a womaniser, became a good friend to Nehru who match in both things with his friend. What else was his qualification to get defence ministry and why should not one think that this duo stage managed this war to surrender a huge area of my mother land to China.
Mao had committed serious blunders which led to the largest man-made famine in the world. Mao might have attacked India to divert his failures in China.
@Adam Romanov India would not have lost Indo China war, if Nehru had ordered aerial attack on Chinese military convoys, as advised by Indian military.
@Adam Romanov China did not have Air Force to threaten India. Communist oriented Defence Minister Krishna Menon was a traitor.
Menon became international(before 1962) based on his opinions on other people problems.
Only if he could solve Indias issues instead of other countries.
He is a very loyal son
Great work by Jairam Ramesh on the discretion of Krishna Menon & the Serving attitudes of the Sandhurst Indian Generals to the British & US diplomats serving in India. Nathan Sekhar Sydney, Australia.
Gen P N Thapar is above all blemishes hence not discussed 😂😂😂 loyal son after all😬
The misuse of psychological illness in a ‘scholarly’ way between 11:30 and 11:46 is disheartening
Mr.Krishna Menon was nomore than a flamboyant.He was known as the formula Menon yet he could not find a diplomatic solution in the Himalayas.India did not get a diplomatic leader like him later because the world equations had been changed.
Karan very well skipped the discussion of Gen Thappar for obvious reasons. He emphasised on the Gen Thimayya loose talks but never mentioned that poor execution of Gen Thapar which led to debacle in war.
Small minds discuss 'Sakshiyat" (Person), Next level discuss "Wakiyat" (Events) and the best level discuss "Khayalat' (Thoughts) - The Thinkers. These two guys are the first category.
Socrates said this then Denzel Washington then you write it 😂
What Krishna Menon had suggested had happened. China took Akshai Chin and withdrew from NEFA. That was the propsal of Krishna Menon, before the war started. Thus, Nehru`s war was not needed. Nehru could send Indian Army to Tibet to cut off China from Tibet and East Turkestan in 1949.
Nehru was playing with me safety of india by entrusting defence to a man who was a communist
My Observations after watching the video:
1. Mr. Menon is not here to defend these allegations. Too little too late.
2. One more attempt to save the failing legacy of Nehru - Gandhi. They know that they will never come back to power, but at least make an attempt to save some face.
3. Success has multiple fathers - if India had won the China war, then Nehru - Gandhi family will take 100% credit as it happened with Pakistan wars.
So true! They are looking at a scapegoat as we come to know Nehru's true face thru BJP! These congie clowns had the same archives last 70y but didnt pick it up..
Very interesting discussion. Both Mr Karan and Jairam Ramesh are so knowledgeable....Just is a pleasant contrast to highly mediocre narratives of present people in media and politics.Thanks both of you for enlightening us.
Nehru should not have appointed Morarji Desai as the Finance Minister. Morarji Desai gave little money to the Ministry of Defense. He also was against the imports of MIG aircraft from the Soviet Union offered to India in March 1962 long before the war. MIG aircraft came to India in December 1962. Why do you hide the role of Morarji Desai? Indian media blamed Krishna Menon but the real culprit was Morarji Desai.
Why did Jairam Ramesh skirt around Gen.P.N.Thapar, who was a Krishna Menon lackey?
Karan, understandably would want to do that.
Welles Hangen in his book "After Nehru, who" throws light on this period.
V.K Menon was bad Defence Minister
because Nehru was worst Prime Minister.
Good discussion
Truth
So now Krishna Menon is the fall guy for Nehru's degeneracies, cowardice & treachery against India in 1962.
We have to keep in mind that India got freedom in 1947 but most of this government servants including army Generals has served the British for so long and their colonial mindset had not changed with Independence. Sad but true. It took a few generations to get rid of that feeling. I am not sure that we are 100 % free of that even now
Perfectly nailed, then these people talk about Gen.Timmaiah now and trying to defame him from his popularity. For them the only agenda is to save the legacy of Nehru and their families from what has been taught of already with Indians. Can JR dare to write a book on PV Narasimharao, the congress most successful PM , who was betrayed by the remains of the legacy family?
yeah some were influenced by the British and democratic values whereas others were influenced by German nazi values. Any way influence cannot be avoided unless we go back to the law of manu because if there was no influence, that is what we had.
@@rajValath An average LW can't write a meaningful comment relating to the topic.
@@adriangaming4853 please enlighten us with what shxt you as a RW have and then i will reply. BTW most leading newspapers, media the world over are left like NYtimes, washington post, Guardian, bbc, Dw, french tv, PBS ( US). Don't club the nazi loving khakhi chaddis with right wing. It is far right and fascist.
Right in America is republic party. Is it an abomination like indian khakkis? Hell No. More after reply.
@@rajValath Whatsoever opinion I may have as a RW, I won't be blabbering about Isl@m-¡sts while discussing Sino-Indian conflict, but guess what you _bhakts_ (yeah, Nehru bhakts) can't swallow the reality. Actually most RWs criticize the government if necessary. The same however, cannot be said about LWs, even if we are discussing decades old conflict. They must defend their neo-God, the almighty Nehru and Gandhi.
Since you watch The Guardian, New York Times, Washington Post, BBC DW, I won't be surprised if you reveal that you read Muslim Mirror, Maktoob Media, The Cognate, The Wire. It may sound absurd, but all these newspapers are similar, as they all are just one thing, and that's LEFT WING AND ISL@M-¡-ST PROPAGANDA. It also very well shows that the possiblity of a proper debate with you seems grim, as most of your further comments will rant about RSS despite the fact you're in the comments thread of an inter-state conflict video. Better have conversation with the citizens of those countries where those media outlets you named are located and they will have something similar to say as I did. I'd recommend you to go for WSJ, France24 (AFP), Reuters, US News and World Report, The Diplomat, Nikkei Asia, Fox News but hey, forget it, I know my words are falling on deaf ears.
The same will be said about Nirmala Sitaraman
Amit Bajaj. India is ruled by Sitaram, Dukiram, Sukiram, Pandooram, Dondooram.
Thank you to all love my comments. Honestly, I was not joking. You know India being ruled before the moguls, and after the British were kicked out in 1947. The clock is turned backward 1000 years. India has not moved forward into the 21st century to shed off the ancient garments. In fact, the Indian politicians wants to take us all backward in the days of Pandoram by imposing news laws that only benefits them; the BJP to be in power.
What about my dad?
Shame on Thapars....
What about letters from Indian people...
But he will be remembered only for war loss...
How ever you glorify...
Karan Thapar should look into the Army Chief during 62 War for completing the circle. Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full.
I'm not defending Karan of the Army Chief then.
But honestly tell me, will you be comfortable talking about your daddy's failures in public?
Ayush Acharya There is one side of the story that only he can complete. He is equipped with the language, facilities and his profession. The ethics of his profession demand it.
He should write a book on it instead of confounding if he a student of history. His dad is not alive for him to disagreeing with his dad in public to be having that dilemma. He himself is what, say 70 years old. It is needed for historical record and as a cautionary tale.
@@blueeight5573 His father resigned in disgrace from office due to his dismal record in the war. It'll be a (understandably) painful experience for Karan Thapar to describe the circumstances and feelings of his father (as he saw them) as disgrace and shame enveloped his dad and his career.
Now, I understand that as an acclaimed journalist, he's duty bound to tell us this story, because only he can tell us the details (as you rightly pointed out).
But it clashes with the love, respect and inclination to defend our parents, which is a natural feeling for someone we love.
There is a clash of love and duty here, which even though for a soldier is a simple choice, but for a journalist, I'm not so sure.
Ayush Acharya regarding first para. It is least he could have done. The appointment of Gen Thapar itself was faulty.
For the rest of the it, what you are saying is not a virtue but a deep flaw, for a person in his position.
Ayush Acharya book recommendation: letters to a young contrarian. By Hitchens.
In retrospect! Who else was Nehru's chamcha, available for this post? Congress trying to shift blame for the 1962 Chinese disaster to an outsider from Nehru-ghandi family? Why congress blame outsiders while the family takes credit for any positives!
It shows the absolute incompetence of nehru and krishna menon. It also shows that act of traitor like radhakrishnan, thimmaya and choudary who discussed state secret with British and American diplomats. But they were all British stooges and this is what happens when you get your so called "freedom" by begging.
No . Mr. Krishna Menon was staunch supporter of India and there are many Who stabbed Him back ; eventually he falls on the trap stitched by then military heads including Lf Gen. Thaper and what was the policy of Nehru as he set in flames the words of sardar Patel when china hijacked Tibet and Krishna Menon had well planned and strategy towards china but Nehru s policy was against it .
So revealing episode , the greatest eye opener and congratulations Karan ji and Jayaram ji for this episode
What about Gen Thapar, father of this Karan Thapar, he with bijji kaul was main culprit for this debacle.
Also we should be focusing on the present day chinese incursion issues
Please read the book in toto. It appears, what Jairam Ramesh told in the interview was not exactly what he wrote in the Book.
He was a man of different colorful shades! When he was denied a Congress ticket for his favorite Parliamentary North East Bombay seat, he shot back and quit the party! He then stood as Independent but failed to defeat his opponent Congress candidate one Mr. V. B. Kulkarni! Shiva Sena was born then and supported Kulkarni! I had the pleasure of working as an election agent of the great VKK MENON!
Thapa's father disgraced the double agent intentionally lost the war to China, killing off many fellow Indian soldiers. disgraced Punjabi was jealous of formula Menon.
Watch video "Indian fighter pilots were stopped from striking China by General PN Thapar. Even Karan Thapar's father was under lens during 1962 Indo - China war
Times have changed. International tensions intensify. The scope and implications of foreign policy have magnified. Present day EAM Jaishankar is miles ahead of what Menon was.
Thapar please allow Mr.Ramesh to speak
gandhi should have never made (selected) nehru as the PM
Avinash Achar. One of the Greatest blunder made by Gandhi after coming back from London, met Mohammad Jinnah in Bombay where he welcome the good news, that Winston Churchill has appointed Lord Mountbatten to transfer power to India. That very moment Jinnah tells Gandhi, "We Muslims want to form our own country called Pakistan, if not, we Muslims will declare Jihad on Indians." Gandhi informs Nehru, who was greedy for power, agreed to divide India. Gandhi been a lawyer, should have informed Nehru, let us negotiate power sharing with the Muslim League and the Congress Party In politics one has to negotiate so both parties win win.
Nehru should have said to Jinnah Bhai." You are Indian, why you want to divided your own country? Why not both Hindu and Muslim can live in peace under one Nation. But when a man is greedy for power, he never negotiate. Million Hindus killed after 1947. Indians have been suffering endless war for 72 years. Today, India has spent billions on arms. Nothing achieved. Now China has become economic power, and India is spending billion on defense. You see Avinash, how Indian politicians have fooled Indians by their greed and corruption. And the biggest joke. Gandhi goes to Gujarat to spin wheel to make cotton khadi tread. while Hindus are killed in Pakistan. That blood in on Gandhi's hand. He agreed to divide India. Better to tell the truth.
sir, i didn't know where to find the spectacular 8hrs speech of Krishna Menon at UN..please let me know if anyone had already seen.
There’s also a lot to learn from Brigadier Dalvi’s Himalayan Blunder.- specially at this particular juncture of India’s political and economic development.
Just goes to show how *inconsequential* politicians really are, because the world is dynamic. _Politicians get a bully pulpit to filibuster_
A VERY POOR COUNTRY WITH SO MANY POOR EDUCATED POPULATION, THESE ARE THE NEGATIVE RESULTS OF THE SMALL POPULATION INVOLVED FOR INDIA
Interesting... My grandfather was Krishna Menons brother but changed his name and separated from the family
It seems that Karan is happy that his father is not the only General who messed up.
The part played by Krishna Me on in independence of India while in Britain and he was local guardian of Indira Gandhi in England.
I was hoping that Mr.Krishna Menon’s role in securing Kashmir for India would come up for discussion. This is not in the book? If not, it is a great disservice to him,
Jairam Ramesh is Chamcha of Jawaharlal Nehru . Nehru had created all the problems that India face at present With China & Pakistan
Why did he ignore Daddy thapar? It's it strange for devil's advocate?. He is now in jeopardy that his father's glorious stint has come in public domain..
I am surprised to see you sir, I was missed you alot please sir you active on this platform, you are my HERO and I appreciate to your journalism thanks for you are back ✌✌✌✌✌✌✌✌
India lost two Nobel prize.