Why Did These AIR JORDANS FLOP? A Ma Maniere x Jordan 12 Review
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2023
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Air Jordan 12 x A Ma Maniére $225
"It's not about the shoes, it's about where you're going." Once again partnering with James Whitner's A Ma Maniére, Jordan Brand brings you an AJ12 that's all about looking fresh. Premium leather with suede accents brings the prestige, while luxury detailing like branded metal eyelets and refreshed backtabs adds cachet to every step. The special edition hangtag is the sign-off: you've officially arrived.
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- Full-length Nike Zoom Air unit provides snappy, responsive cushioning.
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- Shown: Black/Burgundy Crush/Black
- Style: DV6989-001
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They didn’t flop the people that wanted them love them. Just because something doesn’t resell doesn’t mean it flopped
Always thought the “those are bricks” culture is strange
Totally agree
A year later, they have most definitely flopped. Still available at outlets at a steep discount.
Again what I said a year ago still stands the people who wanted them got them and the people who just wanted to resell them got stuck with them so again no they did not flop @@8BitGamer4life
Two things that made this shoe accessible
1. The majority of new sneakersheads don’t like 12s (which I love cause I grew up on 12s)
2. I feel like more stock was allocated to actual people than on the online release. The people that wanted them, got them. Raffles, discord raffle, in-store raffle. So many ppl hit before the online release.
I actually like that these are selling for below retail right now, because I didn't land them initially. But, now I'm able to get both the white and the black for below retail. I can get those lower prices just by sacrificing my ideal size by going up or down a 1/2 size, which saves me $100-$140 atm. I think the white version looks a bit better, but I just can't trust that inner white liner, so my whites will stay on shelf, and the blacks will be the ones I can wear and enjoy. Had the shoe market not crashed right when these were dropping, I'm sure they would have been a hyped pair of shoes, but I'm glad that's not the case.
Fell in love with these AMMs! Loved the white one a bit more and had to cop. Considering getting the black one as well but I just love the mature burgundy vibe they carry
They didn’t flop. They are just well stocked.
Nah sz 9 was extremely easy Pickins while 13 apparently had it sell out
cope
QC issues killed these
@@bRIOn909 how? My white pair are perfect no bleeding
@@adoboFosho wen u got yu pair?
Hit the raffle on the black pair, and materials and execution are just excellent. Colors are outstanding, and I was super hyped for these when the leaks of it happening hit months back. Some may view sitting as flopping, but with the culture shifting to reselling, I view it as opportunity to grab dope kicks
Great points! And a valid topic to bring up too. Great video
Really good video. I didn't even think about the point about messaging but could definitely see it pushing some people away. Generally it look like more releases are sitting going back to November of last year with the Khaleds, but it could be due to increased stock or folks being more selective with the pairs they're going after. I know I wasn't really checking for either pair like the previous AMM collabs, but I also went a little crazy with my pickups the last two months and needed to chill so it's for the best. But hope folks that like these can get them easily without paying resale
Great video James. Covered all the points, superb release 🔥🔥💯
People are just weird. They aren’t flops. They are dope shoes that we could actually get. I like both!!
Got both and they’re dope. I don’t have any bleeding on my white pair or at least I can’t tell. So glad resellers backed off so regulars could cop at retail. I think there will be some regret that these were passed on, definitely the black pair when it hits the fall.
Well I can’t buy the white pair for retail, so I’m not sure where these flopped.
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Those are crazy 😮blk pair lol
@Venthos you in the Bay Area I gotchu if your a 10.5 men got both I’m tryna get outta here
I just copped under retail on eBay. They have a 10% off sneakers over $100. Copped for like $224 after shipping and taxes.
@@elmer21993 Nice man. I have to check that out. Once they drop that 10% really the rare times I’m open to resale.
It “flopped” because people dont wear Jordan 12 so much. Everyone wants ones, threes and fours. Especially in Europe, now with mids and Dunks nobody even look at 12. Thank God because I love 12. Only think that sucks at these is that there is no US12 available that much
Exactly we get the ones nobody wants
Great video
Speak the truth, you a real 1 for that 🙏🏽
The burgundy bleeding onto the white is a easy fix and 100% corrects this issue. Hit the affected areas with alcohol and some cotton and youre good to go. If the stitching got dyed then hit it up with a little dab of reshoeven8r and youre also good to go. I have both. First I got the black ones....I was blown away so much so that I got the white ones. They are hot af! What does resell value have to do with whether a shoe looks good or not? If you like them then that's all there is to it.
My issue with them was it was hard to get a M12. All of my local shops, Jordan store and Nike only got up to a women’s 12 so I couldn’t cop at all.
For anyone who has the black pair. Does the black material look as ashy in person as it does in pictures? Also would it be something that scuffs easily? The black pair looks nice but every time I see close up pictures of them it throws me off
Just got my pair in the black one’s Mann they are 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I can see these going up down the line
I didn’t think I was going to like the black pair until I got them in hand …and on top of the bleeding on the white pair the left shoes toe box came completely smashed in ..big dissatisfaction and quality control issues
Actually wearing my white AMM 12s today for the first time and they look amazingly better on feet imo. Did have the bleeding on both pairs of white and I’m okay with it. Praying that we are slowly getting away from this resell culture in sneakers and a little bit closer to the way it was pre pandemic. Thanks 🙏🏾 for the great episode!
They make it a female size run and the smaller sizes mostly that fit women sit and the bigger men's size sell out haha
There Black ones never seemed to drop in the UK
got thie white pair so far havent got the black pair
i think white one has a wider release
not sure if i would be able to get the black one since i havent see any raffle for the black one till now here in australia
peobably gonna pay resell because i like black shoes better
I still want either or both of them, hoping in a US size 10, 10.5 if there are even half sizes
They should have used a nubuck leather instead of that hairy suede, would of had a premium look and feel.
The black pair looks dope to me. But the darker color should of came out fall winter
They do transfers with a suede brush too on the whites, caution- and who knows maybe a nice coffee dip coming soon….
For the white pair would something like crep protect or a water proofing product stop the bleeding issue? Never used the product before, just a thought.
My white pair fine?
Loving the white pair. My only problem with the black pair is I wish they would have used a black leather upper instead of suede.
i thought about the same sort of thing with the "conversations amongst us" stuff from new balance. i mean with a sneaker its ijkyk ...i mean this is honestly longer than i thought about it to begin with lol. that being said i wonder if thats why the t-shirt from that collection thats a sketch of a pair of 550's hanging over a steel folding chair was available (still is?) on the site because that is such a dope t shirt....i thought it was anyway lol picked it up on drop day worried it would sell out lol.
Do you have size 13 or 14 and how much
When you first get them, spray them down generously with stain/water repellent. It definitely helps a ton
I love the black pair with black jeans
I was upset when I got my white pair I was upset with the bleeding but I wiped some of it off and it’s not that bad, dope shoe and message. Great review 🙏🏼
Yeah I've heard of the bleeding. Annoying!
i got a question. i’ve been considering the white pair but i dont know too much when it comes to bleeding. does the bleeding occur just by walking and normal use or is it because the dye on pants, and how do u fix color bleeding when it occurs?
Love them!
I love the black pair had to get 2 pairs and it was easy to get directly from retailers. Didnt pick up the white but I'd be willing to trade for a pair or sumthin but they so flashy probably cant rock so easy. These for sure slept on just like the A Ma Maniere AF1s
I bought the shirt too and that is a flop fasho nothing great but I have bought other clothing products from JB and AMM the quality is good but this time they didnt execute
Ouch that legendary nike quality control
Got my white pair... compared. Next to the playoff 12's, they're so high quality.... great 1-2...
Stop with the click bait. The shoe ain’t a flop. People who wanted the shoes to wear were able to cop. Just bc resale wasn’t what people thought doesn’t mean it’s a flop. I hit on both and I’m happy with that. I buy what I like. Which all sneaker lovers should do
I copped the black ones and don't really care what others say about it. Just because it doesn't sell out doesn't change how I like them
Both are tough. And so cheap now. You can get either pair for around 130-140 for new/like new condition
For myself I would get the black pair. But the white pair looks cool because the extra details pop!
I like the black pair better anyway. Give it 3-5 years they regret it. Especially around autumn time 💯
I’m burnt out on Jordans personally , I’m shifting more to Reebok and New Balance
I grabbed a few Qtips and alcohol and gently wiped the lil that was on my white pair. It came right out, no problem. These are beautiful shoes and I'm so glad I copped.
I was very concerned with the bleeding on them so I actually passed on both pairs. I like my kicks to be durable and with the bleeding I question the durability of these
the womens pair is all dark colors...whats going to bleed???
I still like them and I really like the white pair. I would have preferred a black leather pair
I want to buy a pair but I really can’t decide which ones to go with…
Then in my opinion don’t think it flopped I think because of high retail price one high factor. Also, I like the black color little more than white pair. Lastly, I have couple Nike and Jordan sneakers that bleeed
Nice materials but we are being very selective this year not just buying eveything bc not eveything is selling anymore
I got the blacks but I held off on the whites because of the warning of bleeding, its just lame paying a quarter grand for something like that
about to get a black pair to hoop in. 100 bucks is hard to beat for jordan 12s. I just want some good hooping shoes and 12s are alwayss solid.
i really wanted both pairs. Had my sister enter as well, and she won both, i won both, so i have two pairs of both. I don't care for the resale aspect, i am happy to have them as a fan of the 12's. they are one of the most comfortable (once you break them in)
Well if the price was down to like $100 which is about what they’re worth. I wouldn’t pay more than $100 for them.
Those are freaking FIRE!!!
They didn't flop i just got mine today! And going for tge black pair next
I started liking the white pair more but once I got them in hand I loved the black pair more
Me too.
how so?@@beecee5701
The white pair is my favorite.
My white pair didn't have no bleeding either.
So, I'm glad cuz I was able to cop for the actual retail price out the door. 250 🤷♂️
I have both 🔥🔥🔥
They are only up to a size W9.5
The amm series should have been the 3s and 1s only
The 12s make the most sense imo. They look more like dress shoes and play into the classy feel of amm
Black ones Forsure better. No one should be ok with factory flaws like paint bleeding. I bought a white pair too got rid of them immediately paint bleeding everywhere. If their going to charge this much at retail they should really look into more quality control
Jordan 12’s aren’t “in style” and those colorways weren’t hittin. I didn’t like the A Ma Maniere 4’s either. They need to start switching it up with the maroon.
White pair is gorgeous LAWDDDD
just bought the black ones for 125 ds, absolute steal
Love both of mine! Everyday I like 1 more than the other 😂 Also, a magic eraser removed the small bleeding spot on my white pair 🤷♂️
Did it really work no 🧢 ?
@@El_Chamuco713 for mine it did. I just had a light spot on the leather and a small spot on the rubber in the heel area. But the magic eraser got it out. I heard about the trick from someone on the a ma maniere discord and other people said it worked as well
@@Cali2A ima try it thanks my dude
@El chamuco hell yeah let me know if it works on yours.
@@Cali2A got you fam
The white pair is fire for sure but there both clean
Both sneakers very underrated
I'm glad these pairs "flopped" was able to cop both brand new for $200 each. The quality in hand is INSANE.
Also no bleeding on either pairs
Don’t let these fake ass sneaker head RUclipsrs dictate what’s poppin and what’s not them Amm12 both colors are dope asf.
It flop that even reseller refused to resell this shoes. Even seller of rep shoes did not want to sell this pair. What is happening??? Also that metal thing on the tongue looks like can be remove by slight hit.
Yes, The message should not detour anyone. Self love in and of itself doesn’t equal hate of all others.
But we live in a “main character” world now. So I’m not surprised.
The black looks better IMO. I'm just not a AJ12 type of person
The term flop is used way too loosely
That’s why I only got the black pair
I like both equally, they 🔥🔥🔥
Hit the white pair for retail, but they bled….
I have both pair, and I wear one of each
I wear a size 9.5/10 and they’re literally under retail right now. $218
Absolutely live this shoe. It is excellent quality. I have the black ones, going to pick up the white ones next. They definitely didn't "flop"...that's just a dumb term resellers ise when they can't make money off of others. Suede spray protection prevents bleeding. This also happens when you buy colored suede or any natural material, good quality leather especially. If the message deters anyone, they aren't part of the true "sneaker" culture which is all about inclusivity. 😊
I own both, but I prefer the black pair.
From what I hear, dyed suede has a tendency to bleed like that.
Why is it necessarily a flop oh let me guess it’s because of the resell value…y’all ain’t sneakerheads period. Real sneaker heads that love shoes don’t go by resell value.
QC on the Amm4s was way worse but the resell value is there. Wtf y’all talking bout either your a sneaker head or a hype beast
I like the white pair better for sure
None of the Jordans that have been announced so far this year are must cops imo. Jordan brand needs to do better.
Bad bunnie kicks have been reppin Latino super hard
$314 in my size 14.5(13) for the white pair, nah. these aint flop, your feet are just small.
Really wanted to try my luck on the black pair but it never dropped in Japan.
But two days ago they had a little stock of AMM 4s which i took an L for AGAIN so ill buy them from a reseller.
Prices came down a bit for the 4s and i really want a pair sooooo... no other choice.
But hey, they are "only" $70 over retail, so it isnt that bad yet.
Now you can get the black pair for 20% off on Nike
So if a shoe sells out instantly or is reselling for a insane price it's not considered a flop
The sizing on these were weird af
Black in my size (12m) is like $700 on aftermarket 😓
Capricorn!
@@blackjesus2473 ??
The did not flop bc size 13 in the white pair is going for over $300 😭
Sleeper of the year
so now a "flop" is not selling out in 1 day?
Um...I couldn't cop these, so I'm not so sure that this was a "flop"...if you wear anything above a size 9 for men, these are not available...
I have an extra pair of size 9M in both colors if you want one