Slight correction to the ling bane explanation at 38mins: +1 attack doesn't allow banes to 1 shot zerglings (banes 1 shot lings naturally). +1 carapace on lings allows them to survive a bane hit, but that is nullified if the banes also have +1 attack. I know this isn't news to Lowko, but wanted to clarify.
Uhm, the caster didn´t introduce himself therefore I don´t recognise him. If only there was a caster that told us his name at the beginning of every single one of his videos so I wouldn´t have to remember...
So, you kill the creep tumor in a professional match because Lowko says it benefits your mirror opponent more than yourself? I am gonna try that progamer move by killing my own pylon in the gold league match!! Look ma, no pylon!
44:00 so, it takes about 25 seconds (rounding up a bit) to transfer the workers from the main to the gold and about 6ish seconds to transfer from the main to the natural. Using Lowko's cited 0.8 minerals lost per second and subtracting the lost mining time traveling to the natural from the travel time to the gold, there is 121.6 minerals more minerals lost going to the gold base compared to just getting a natural. given that once they start mining, the gold minerals are +40% more efficient than regular minerals (7 mineral per trip instead of 5), but there is only 6 mineral veins in the gold base, so 2 drones are working at half efficiency, this is the expression that determines how long it takes to break even on going for the gold base: 121.6 minerals lost / ((0.32 * 6 full efficiency drones)+(0.16 * 2 half efficiency drones)) = it takes 54.28 seconds to break even on the investment in the gold base. Lambo pays off the gold base at the 3 minute mark in the game, around when Lowko points out how juicy of a base it is. a fully saturated gold base with 12 workers makes 5% more minerals per second than a fully saturated blue base while also using 4 less workers. Lambo takes roughly (very roughly) 3 minutes to set up his attack largely uncontested with his base. In that time, he collects 180.9 more minerals than Serral, saves the cost and larva of 4 extra works for +200 more minerals and also saves 4 supply from the workers, which saves him half the cost of an overlord for +50 extra minerals saved. Lambo arguably won the game because he had 430.9 more minerals of stuff, and more stuff beats less stuff. Moral of the story; do not let your opponent get gold bases up uncontested.
Did the gold base rush maths: A gold base provides +5% mineral income for 4 less worker supply and 200 less minerals invested. On a game-standard (2 drones per patch) saturation that's 42 per cycle vs. 40 per cycle. If you go up to three per patch that's 63 per cycle vs. 60 per cycle. The average mining rate for 3 workers on a blue patch is 102/min, or 143/min for gold. So on a fully saturated base that's 816/min for blue vs. 858/min on a gold. That means every (real-time) minute you get 42 extra minerals. All workers cost 50 minerals and take 12 in-game seconds to build, which is about 10 real-time seconds. Needing less workers means you saturate about 40 real-time seconds faster on a gold than a blue base, and saves you 200 minerals. It takes around 12 extra seconds for the worker to make the trip to the gold base (on that map, at least) which means that saturation advantage drops to 28 seconds, plus you lose about 10 or 11 minerals in lost mining time during the travel. So the initial advantage, once you saturate the gold, is 28 seconds and 189 minerals. Assuming you both stay on two bases up to one minute after your opponent saturates their natural, you'll have 600 more minerals available than them (ignoring the minor impact of a later overlord due to 4 less worker supply). The tricky part is the harassment. When you lose one worker on a patch with 3 workers, you drop around 20% of your mining rate for that patch, because the third worker only contributes half as much as either of the other two (40+40+20 / 40+40 = 80%). If you rebuild the worker instantly, you lose 50 minerals plus 30 minerals in lost mining time. So that's 80 minerals. The next worker loss will impact you differently depending on your race. For Zerg it's a flat 80 again for a second worker on a different patch, assuming larvae are available. If it's two workers on the same patch, and you don't redistribute workers immediately, that loss turns into 106 minerals (186 total for the two) due to the greater mining impact of the second worker. For Terran and Protoss there's a greater impact as you lose more workers, because they build sequentially rather than in parallel. But this is balanced by the fact that using larvae for workers means fewer larvae for army units. It's complicated but it roughly works out at around 4 workers before you're back breaking even. The real factor is harassment. If taking the gold base means that your opponent can deny mining time for 3.1 seconds more in any given minute than if you took the blue base, you've mined fewer minerals from that base than you could have by taking a regular base. If they manage 14 seconds of denied mining time, but no worker kills, you've lost the 200 minerals you saved by building less workers. If they can prevent mining for 29 seconds in total (with no worker kills) during the time you're saturating the base and the 28 seconds afterwards, you've lost all advantage from taking the base and are actually losing. A worker kill counts toward about 6 seconds of that, so two dead workers and 15 seconds of denied mining is probably a net loss for the gold base taker after you factor in the extra attention required.
32:42 indeed the difference between the top 4 Zergs in the world: Serral, Reynor, Rogue and Dark and everyone else is astounding. Much more than the other 2 races as well as in general.
2.22ishh until that point it start for both like they were in sync, pretty fun to watch while hearing Lowko telling us another great story hehe , dont watch the tab for queue things up that much. I missed the introduction though, but GG another great cast & nice games :)
Hi Lowko, i often have trouble finding how i can watch the different ongoing tournaments on demand, here on youtube its very nice to see espacialy you and some other casters to cast some of the high light games. But sometimes i wish i could watch entire tournaments here on youtube. Could you make a video and explain how to find tournaments and where to watch them? I would be very thankfull for that!
Damn Serral took a beating. That was a great ZvZ. Also nice to hear how well Lambo does. He is one of the OG German playera that started back in Wings of Liberty :D
39:07 ("I do not like this") I think Lambo anticipated zergling reinforcements there and wanted to intercept them before they get out of the natural so the lings can work on the 3rd. Either way, did not work out.
Holy shit, forget controlling, in the third game i couldn't even comprehend what happend at the end... And heaven knows i even rewatched it a few times...
Have you seen Serral play on his livestreams? The way he shoots between units and locations is so fast that it hurts to watch! I think he allocates units to a specific group so that he can hot-key between them and jump all over the map like Data from Star Trek TNG!
Important topic incoming: If the map is vertically mirrored, as in the case of the last map, how should the scoreboard be ordered? In this case Lambo was on the left side of the map but was at the bottom of the scoreboard. That feels wrong to me, because we read left to right so left comes first. THOUGHTS?
Maybe serral needs that ping advantage! In offline matches they all have the same ping and its usually very high because of how close they are. Either that or other players get nervous by the crowd where serral doesn't
I feel like Lambo should've gotten more credit/focus throughout this series. Especially in the Oxide game, in the Ling/Bane skirmish at the beginning, his APM gets up past 800 numerous times.
20 seconds off minerals for the walk to the gold, you lose 40/minute for 2nd saturation of patch, so 13.33 minerals. (8x = 116.66 total) Getting 56/minute on the gold mining, so you'd regain those lost minerals in about 50 seconds.
Easy. He got 8 hands 1 hand for mouse 2 hands for micro 2 hands for macro 2 hands for grabbing snacks and drinks 1 hand to wipe off sweat Edit: after typing this i realize I made serral looks like a mantis shrimp. But have you seen serral and mantis shrimp in the same picture?
Was Lambo's game 3 really an opener? It only works if you are playing vs a player like Serral. Ya people will scout you, but 99% dont react to it. It works because he's feeding Serral information he knows will be reacted to.
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It's not a secret, Serral is Zerg. He has a minimum 6 hands)
Bro dont be ridiculous, serral is a god so he has to have atleast 10 arms
Or a one-man archon mode
@@axe1_b563 Lmao, but I'm not bro))
Serral is actually Abathur's long-lost brother:
Serbathur
Each hand with 10 fingers
Watching Ling vs Ling is like watching ants fight over a cookie
LOL
True
Why do you think it's called "the swarm"? The concept of zerg, partially, is inspired by the syngergy of a swarm as you can see on bees and ants.
Slight correction to the ling bane explanation at 38mins: +1 attack doesn't allow banes to 1 shot zerglings (banes 1 shot lings naturally). +1 carapace on lings allows them to survive a bane hit, but that is nullified if the banes also have +1 attack. I know this isn't news to Lowko, but wanted to clarify.
Good clarification :D Thanks
Yeah I misspoke. Thanks for the clarification!
So if ling upgrades are even with bane upgrades they lose
Best description of Z v Z that I’ve heard is a knife fight in a phone booth.
That's a good one
Oh wow this guy watches GSL 😂
Except the phone box is on fire ;)
@@pavel9652 and you’re on fire…. And the other guy is on fire…. 😂
I would usually root for Serral, but seeing as Lambo is sporting the Derpfestor on his hatcheries, I'll have to switch sides.
A simple man. I like it.
32:42 indeed, 3 zerg players can be counted on 1 hand.
"There's probably like 3 Zerg players that don't mind playing against that. And those can be counted on one hand." - Lowko 2021
Lowko has 3 fingers comfirmed
13:55 “he skipped out the roach warren as well” as the roach warren is literally the center of the screen LOL
Lowko blindness strikes again!
Lambo, aka: "the Deceiver"
that fakeout in the 3rd game was beautiful
Serral's "low" ZvZ is like how Harstem is "short" next to Gabe.
how tall is gabe?
how tall is Harstem??
@@lucasievers6419 I don't know, but he was top seed at the Biggest Loser's club.
@@BillyBlundah 6 foot 5, according to google
Who is gabe
Uhm, the caster didn´t introduce himself therefore I don´t recognise him. If only there was a caster that told us his name at the beginning of every single one of his videos so I wouldn´t have to remember...
HuskyStarcraft used to do that 😥
@@Boyscout533 That one hit home :(
and tell us "hello every body"
don't know who was casting that too
@@Boyscout533 i dont play starcraft but watch his bronze heroes vids. 😢
So, you kill the creep tumor in a professional match because Lowko says it benefits your mirror opponent more than yourself?
I am gonna try that progamer move by killing my own pylon in the gold league match!! Look ma, no pylon!
Of course! If you kill your own pylon, when your opponent scouts they'll think you're proxying! It's a really good mindgame!
Well… have fun being supply blocked…
@@omarel-nabilboudjit5768 Jokes are not your strength, right?
@@Syagrius91 surprisingly, no.
Best of 5! Let's frickin go! Love these long videos
I want a Lowko branded T-shirt with the text "Hatch Gas Pool" :D
To describe ZvZ I still prefer the one I once heard:
"A knife fight in a phone booth"
Thanks for the arrows Lowko, I wouldn't be able to count Serral's arms without them
love how loWko explains what he dose in his own games on the ladder...always good to have a extra input on how to do things THANKS LOWKO!!!!!
44:00 so, it takes about 25 seconds (rounding up a bit) to transfer the workers from the main to the gold and about 6ish seconds to transfer from the main to the natural. Using Lowko's cited 0.8 minerals lost per second and subtracting the lost mining time traveling to the natural from the travel time to the gold, there is 121.6 minerals more minerals lost going to the gold base compared to just getting a natural.
given that once they start mining, the gold minerals are +40% more efficient than regular minerals (7 mineral per trip instead of 5), but there is only 6 mineral veins in the gold base, so 2 drones are working at half efficiency, this is the expression that determines how long it takes to break even on going for the gold base:
121.6 minerals lost / ((0.32 * 6 full efficiency drones)+(0.16 * 2 half efficiency drones)) = it takes 54.28 seconds to break even on the investment in the gold base. Lambo pays off the gold base at the 3 minute mark in the game, around when Lowko points out how juicy of a base it is.
a fully saturated gold base with 12 workers makes 5% more minerals per second than a fully saturated blue base while also using 4 less workers. Lambo takes roughly (very roughly) 3 minutes to set up his attack largely uncontested with his base. In that time, he collects 180.9 more minerals than Serral, saves the cost and larva of 4 extra works for +200 more minerals and also saves 4 supply from the workers, which saves him half the cost of an overlord for +50 extra minerals saved.
Lambo arguably won the game because he had 430.9 more minerals of stuff, and more stuff beats less stuff.
Moral of the story; do not let your opponent get gold bases up uncontested.
2:53 amazing note there lowko
I like how there's a arrow and it says how in the thumbnail
Lowko love you fam
Did the gold base rush maths:
A gold base provides +5% mineral income for 4 less worker supply and 200 less minerals invested.
On a game-standard (2 drones per patch) saturation that's 42 per cycle vs. 40 per cycle. If you go up to three per patch that's 63 per cycle vs. 60 per cycle.
The average mining rate for 3 workers on a blue patch is 102/min, or 143/min for gold. So on a fully saturated base that's 816/min for blue vs. 858/min on a gold. That means every (real-time) minute you get 42 extra minerals.
All workers cost 50 minerals and take 12 in-game seconds to build, which is about 10 real-time seconds.
Needing less workers means you saturate about 40 real-time seconds faster on a gold than a blue base, and saves you 200 minerals.
It takes around 12 extra seconds for the worker to make the trip to the gold base (on that map, at least) which means that saturation advantage drops to 28 seconds, plus you lose about 10 or 11 minerals in lost mining time during the travel.
So the initial advantage, once you saturate the gold, is 28 seconds and 189 minerals. Assuming you both stay on two bases up to one minute after your opponent saturates their natural, you'll have 600 more minerals available than them (ignoring the minor impact of a later overlord due to 4 less worker supply).
The tricky part is the harassment. When you lose one worker on a patch with 3 workers, you drop around 20% of your mining rate for that patch, because the third worker only contributes half as much as either of the other two (40+40+20 / 40+40 = 80%). If you rebuild the worker instantly, you lose 50 minerals plus 30 minerals in lost mining time. So that's 80 minerals.
The next worker loss will impact you differently depending on your race. For Zerg it's a flat 80 again for a second worker on a different patch, assuming larvae are available. If it's two workers on the same patch, and you don't redistribute workers immediately, that loss turns into 106 minerals (186 total for the two) due to the greater mining impact of the second worker. For Terran and Protoss there's a greater impact as you lose more workers, because they build sequentially rather than in parallel. But this is balanced by the fact that using larvae for workers means fewer larvae for army units. It's complicated but it roughly works out at around 4 workers before you're back breaking even.
The real factor is harassment. If taking the gold base means that your opponent can deny mining time for 3.1 seconds more in any given minute than if you took the blue base, you've mined fewer minerals from that base than you could have by taking a regular base. If they manage 14 seconds of denied mining time, but no worker kills, you've lost the 200 minerals you saved by building less workers. If they can prevent mining for 29 seconds in total (with no worker kills) during the time you're saturating the base and the 28 seconds afterwards, you've lost all advantage from taking the base and are actually losing. A worker kill counts toward about 6 seconds of that, so two dead workers and 15 seconds of denied mining is probably a net loss for the gold base taker after you factor in the extra attention required.
32:42 indeed the difference between the top 4 Zergs in the world: Serral, Reynor, Rogue and Dark and everyone else is astounding. Much more than the other 2 races as well as in general.
29:55 Finnish octopus uses bioterrorism to subdue UFOs
Are the finnish ones those with 32 tentacles?
2.22ishh until that point it start for both like they were in sync, pretty fun to watch while hearing Lowko telling us another great story hehe , dont watch the tab for queue things up that much. I missed the introduction though, but GG another great cast & nice games :)
I wish I would struggle in my life as Serral struggles in the last year in SC2.
Hi Lowko, i often have trouble finding how i can watch the different ongoing tournaments on demand, here on youtube its very nice to see espacialy you and some other casters to cast some of the high light games. But sometimes i wish i could watch entire tournaments here on youtube. Could you make a video and explain how to find tournaments and where to watch them? I would be very thankfull for that!
You can find them often on the channels of the respective teams /organisation's, eg esl archieves/ aplha x/...
Twitch is also an option
This was an amazing series. I'd have loved a 'Lambo vs Dark' match-up maybe I'll get it eventually this year 😂 it's nice to see Lambo play.
Damn Serral took a beating. That was a great ZvZ. Also nice to hear how well Lambo does. He is one of the OG German playera that started back in Wings of Liberty :D
Lowko is awesome at explaining not just what's going on but also why... One of my favorite casters!
Legends say Serral shaped the world with a hundred hands
Arceus Serral
Those queens were destroying the mutas, but when my thors attacking its like a wet noodle
Yes, 3 can be counted on one hand if you have good micro
39:07 ("I do not like this") I think Lambo anticipated zergling reinforcements there and wanted to intercept them before they get out of the natural so the lings can work on the 3rd. Either way, did not work out.
10:50 lambo reaches 1300 APM... Holy cow does Serral fueled adrenaline really work???
Wow! That last gamble on gold mineral paid off. Congrats!
Holy shit, forget controlling, in the third game i couldn't even comprehend what happend at the end... And heaven knows i even rewatched it a few times...
Seriously.
His girlfriend is one lucky woman.
with those fingers he could probably have more than one and handle it well...
50 minute Bo5, Lowko casting, popcorn from seeing Black Widow,
*this is gonna be good*
Have you seen Serral play on his livestreams? The way he shoots between units and locations is so fast that it hurts to watch! I think he allocates units to a specific group so that he can hot-key between them and jump all over the map like Data from Star Trek TNG!
ZvZ is like a medieval knight tournament with riding Hayabusas instead of horses.
Important topic incoming: If the map is vertically mirrored, as in the case of the last map, how should the scoreboard be ordered? In this case Lambo was on the left side of the map but was at the bottom of the scoreboard. That feels wrong to me, because we read left to right so left comes first. THOUGHTS?
2:53 A sneaky "Nice" ay lmao!
I really like your commentating. You never fail to make me smile with your humor!
Dang, kudos to Lambo for completely and utterly playing Serral in game 1
its not technically cheating, the rules don't specify how many hands players have
Watching these videos really makes me want to get into SC2. I don't know why I haven't yet, guess I'm scared lol. Keep up the good work Lowko.
It's the beginning of a sad story. "hey, that look fun. Maybe i should try my hand on it" then proceed to get cheesed to hell and back.
Yeah, I have a feeling that the lowest brackets is a lot of cheese.
1:05
So no one is going to talk about how my main man FLORENCIO didn't make it to the leaderboards??? Damn
Probably at least 2, how else would he play minigolf?
Where does the minigolf meme comefrom
@@copter2000 serral's twitter
I remember watching lambo's video where he calls himself the Kong of SC2 cuz he just can't beat Godzilla
Damn finally a zvz series. Been wanting to see a pro level zvz for awhile
13:30 It bothers me that the drone morphing into a roach warren has a bugged animation.
I never heard of Lambo, but I'm a fan now, that dude is big big brain, very well played against the top 1
Maybe serral needs that ping advantage! In offline matches they all have the same ping and its usually very high because of how close they are. Either that or other players get nervous by the crowd where serral doesn't
I feel like Lambo should've gotten more credit/focus throughout this series. Especially in the Oxide game, in the Ling/Bane skirmish at the beginning, his APM gets up past 800 numerous times.
I feel like you'd have to use a Razer Naga and use the mouse buttons for control groups to pull the zerg micro off...Sheeesh.
In game 5 the best response to taking the gold is probably rushing mutas as it's easy to harass and hard to defend.
wow he really boiled the baneling at 41:55 Lambo did really well this series
20 seconds off minerals for the walk to the gold, you lose 40/minute for 2nd saturation of patch, so 13.33 minerals. (8x = 116.66 total)
Getting 56/minute on the gold mining, so you'd regain those lost minerals in about 50 seconds.
The moment when Lambo spikes to 2000 APM... at this point i'm pretty shure he also ahs a keyboard and mouse for his feet as well.
"The Finisher" though
you keep calling Serral the GOAT.... but it feels like you've only been showing Serral losses :P
25:05 roach body straight to the orbit
It's not the usual intro, but I don't hate it
Easy. He got 8 hands
1 hand for mouse
2 hands for micro
2 hands for macro
2 hands for grabbing snacks and drinks
1 hand to wipe off sweat
Edit: after typing this i realize I made serral looks like a mantis shrimp. But have you seen serral and mantis shrimp in the same picture?
I've never seen him in person but i guess he's got two hands🤔
Did you just asume the amount of hands he has. It's 2021 dude come on.
How do they have that high level of APM???? 🔥🔥🔥
I'm guessing lots of caffine and adrenalin combined with adhd?
They care about their APM as you would your children, mother of dragons.
Game 3 was a masterclass on Zerg just holding their ground owning. Never really saw a zerg win like that.
Can someone explain why lambo didn’t fly around and harass the main and natural with his Mutas while the queens were at the 3rd?
Far be it for me to argue with Aligulac, but Cure is #3 in the world? He's been getting bopped so hard in GSL this year
Yeah it’s by no means perfect. Rogue for example is definitely top 10 but also missing.
Cool stream today Lowko. I enjoyed it :)
I wonder how would the game change if there was no fog of war, just as an experiment
All the hands
Would the ping from an online match really be so limiting that Serral can't perform like he did back at LAN events? Sounds crazy.
Good morning? Its 9 Pm, Lowko where is your time???
Please make a build order guide with Lambos ling muta build
So is Hydra/Lurker/Viper the ultimate late game comp in ZvZ?
supported by Queen+Investor+banelings+zerglings... lol
I just tried my best NEVER going to late game
Do the other lambo games in this tournament
It's been a long time since I've seen Zerg win a best of 5. It feels an aweful lot like watching Idra during wings of liberty again.
Starcraft 2(and 1) is the only game where I respect the competitive professionals player.
2:53 nice.
The overmind would be proud
Getem Lambo! Serral needs to be knocked down a peg, or 20
New Monsters are coming in StarCraft pvp
So you go ZvZ you should go armor first and waste your opponent's banelings?
ahhhh a ZvZ how amazing it must be a treat for me MOM GET THE POPCORN AGAINNNNNNNNNNN
Was Lambo's game 3 really an opener? It only works if you are playing vs a player like Serral. Ya people will scout you, but 99% dont react to it. It works because he's feeding Serral information he knows will be reacted to.
Finally a professional zvz, thise are so rare.
Glad you enjoyed it!
ZvZ endgame is sooooo nice to look at
GG indeed.
zerg needs 3 hands while protoss can play with their feet
Think on game 3 lambo should have gone with nudes worms since his lings were already upgraded and quickly wipe out the main base
Aah. I too love nude worms
Best chanel ever
Serial has as many hands as he needs
i watch all ur pro casts but zvz not sure ican watch this 50min keklol ill try love u lowko
it not zerg vs zerg, it's zerg vs serral
Serral is a Handyman then
Saludos bro
why the fuck is this only on 480p?
I think Serral have 2 normal arms then he use hes special arm down there to play this good :D
He's got two hands but 24 fingers.