Latest European Super League Proposal: Jim White vs Simon Jordan 🔥
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When Real Madrid and Barcelona Juventus was buying all the best players in the world I didn't hear them then wanting to make a super league with Real Madrid's galacticos
It's because them 3 teams are in huge debt and need money to catch up to the premier league.
@@gleneasterbrook8859 being in debt is there own fault. Look ar barca they are a joke with how they're run financially
@@gleneasterbrook8859 Portsmouth and Derby needed help and no one cared
Because that clubs you mentioned didn't needed money from oil, gas, etc.
All they got is the result of decades, and decades, and decades of high level of football.
@@davidcollins2044 you got it no one cares, but Barcelona and Real we do care about so whats your point. In fact Im guessing you are against the super league. The Premier is a big scam by the little clubs who just milk of the real power houses in the league.
This small teams owners have been robbing football fans for years, with no real benefit. Least when the big boys do it its quality to watch and more exciting.
No one wants to grow up and play for fucking Derby and if you do then you have zero football ambition.
As John Barnes said, Football sold out when it became the Premier League, the Super league is just he evolution of that.
You can't stop it. Is business. The mistake is not to work together.
The super league is called the English premier league.
If Newcastle United attempt to get behind this we will make Mike Ashley look like a Saint.
Good man 👍
"what a load of old pony" 😂😂😂 The most British thing ever said.
💀 😂
You're clearly not British 🙄
He's saying pony because it's on live radio. He wouldn't be using that word if he wasn't on live radio/TV
Drizzal83
Britain is also Scotland, wales, Northern Ireland. So no, something English ISNT the MOST “British thing” read a book
@@BallJuiceOfZeus I'm aware of that, but lighten up pal. It was a joke. I'm American and hear nothing but Ted Lasso, soccer, and "yank" stuff all the time. It's all in good fun
It’s funny when Italy and Spain was the place to be with all the stars and money I don’t remember hearing a news about it being unfair then
It is actually a list of who spent the most net in the last 5 years. Wolverhampton is minus 355. 150 more than Barcelona. All premier league clubs have huge debt. Much bigger problems than Barca.
@@michafrica not sure bout that .all clubs use credit as do all big businesses,Barca is run by a bank so different from most of the clubs around the world.but Barca are in a poor financial state we’re they had to sell a percentage of there club and even there name in the summer plus there wage bill is still a major issue hence why there big names had to leave or take a pay cut plus la Ligas sponsorship is poor.which is why there pushing for the super league to bring in more revenue
@kal l La League created many rules just to destroy Barca and the same time the Super League project at the same time. They have money, but they are not allowed to buy. Is even better because of that the best youth players got opportunity to play. Balde, Gavi, Arauho, Ansi
@@michafrica there’s way more to that it’s simply down to Barcelona have been badly run and have been for a couple of years and it’s caught up with them .otherwise Real Madrid would be in the same situation but there not ,there financially stable
@kal l did you watch Barca lately...they play amazing football. The majority of players are young. They have the biggest crowd in the world. The expensive contracts are almost finished. Barca is a money-making machine. They had problems but they also had luck with recruitment. Youngsters are good
When spain was paying the big bills it was alright but when british teams do it its not 😂😂
And Serie A in the 1980s and 90s
Premier League has always been paying most bills. Even when Real/Barca were spending most, top 2 PL teams were spending even more.
The project started in the 2000s
@@aleksandre9711 not really, no English club can afford players like Bale and Hazard on such wages and prizetags to sit on the bench as fialures...
@@alexojideagu Premier League spent as much as Serie A in the 90s. Some years PL spent more and other years Serie A spent more.
Greed kills everything in the end .
If you follow it up, both uefa and the esl instigators are greedy, it's not one sided
That's how capitalism works unfortunately
You know, greed was also a component in creating the Champion’s League. Now ANY change to that is reflexively opposed.
That's capitalism at its best
@@JackJackJack123 lot of football fans want the champions of each league guaranteed a spot in the cl.
It’s the new football fans who want just the big clubs they grew up with taking part. Unfortunately money is killing football history and so whoever is a big club now will remain big as they keep all the money….
A World Cup every 2 years is crazy.
Not really it’s really unfair on injury prone players. It would also stop players playing at 80% during the season that builds up to it. Pulling punches.
I see Simon.
So here's a thought... let's make an alternative English league structure. We'll call it England Mega League and we'll invite the richest club owners from England to it regardless of what league (or non-league) tier their club plays and what their current fanbase looks like.
We'll invite a few lucky winnners into it so that it looks inclusive and we'll even garnish it with its own version of the FA Cup, which we'll call the Massive Huge Members' Cup and we'll make a load of money by selling each match as a separate purchase on top of the subscription on our new footy watching platform.
We'll do this not to make money though. We'll do it because for far too long, the English FA has been holding football under its monopolistic boot with all its 'rules'.
Do me a favour mate...
A governing body should govern responsibly, yes, but at some level and at some point it needs by definition to be a 'monopoly' otherwise from where can it possibly derive its authority?
If UEFA is the problem, let's get all the UEFA FAs together and change or replace UEFA, but let's not hide behind faux economic theory, market forces, supply and demand, and all this utterly transparent 'football is suffering' and 'it's time for change' marketing taglines, and saying people want this. The immensely vast majority of footbll fans simply don't.
Tragically naive, or else lying to themselves and/or everyone else, are they who seriously believe that this Super League nonsense is anything more than a very obvious and cynical attempt (seems now it's more like a concerted campaign) to utterly and completely deregulate the financial side of football. The obvious logical conclusion of which is 'The Big 12' as set out in the original proposal. Whether this is the ultimate aim or not is another question.
Jim White hits the nail on the head: They are telling us what we want to hear. Once the SL is established, they will then ditch these proposals and go back to the original
Doubtful.
They can't
Piece by piece
Can you give me the winning lottery numbers for Friday please? And I won't tell you which country coz you should already know that as you apparently have ESP you absolute numpty.
@@yermuva if you can't see this for what it is. A thinly veiled attempt to extract money out the premier. League. Our league is fantastic, we have absolutely no need
“It’s Brugge against Arsenal WOW!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who are both big historic European clubs.
Its all about money not sport. Spot on Jim
Like, duh.
Uefa is the same lol
Uefa is the exact same. The new format they have for the champions league is so bad 😂
Other leagues are not? 🙄
The same thing some might have said before the UCL, EPL became what they are in their current format. Can't doubt the fact that it's about money, otherwise clubs would be giving out free tickets, handing out free club merchandise to everybody...
One of the biggest problems with building a superleague of the magnitude they are looking at, is the danger of a club franchise being wholesale moved elsewhere to maximize profits.
Clubs aren’t franchises though, this isn’t America
It's a danger capitalism will force upon the club and fans. Do you want a global team or a local team? You can't necessarily have two-in-one
@@CPC36 I’m not so sure, nothing wrong with English football at the moment, it’s the European teams that need this to happen for their finances
@@CPC36 also the fact that it goes against everything else te game stands for, can’t see it.
Player drafts could be next
The ucl is getting reformed from next season onwards. So Jim hasn’t got an argument when he says if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. UEFA are reforming their own competition. And if he actually researched what the new changes are gonna be, he’d realise that the esl is so much better than the new format for the ucl
Notice how it's cheating clubs with form that are pushing this. They're out for themselves and we need to keep the game for everyone.
UEFA shouldn't have monopoly though.
How do you know? You don't know the details of the ESL
@@askido351 Try and research, who made UEFA and then stop the talk about monopoly. If you dont even research how the European football pyramide is made, then dont talk.
@Eugene Petit ofcourse they shouldn't that's why clubs don't have a say when it comes to policies and game rules. Let the SUPER LEAGUE happen. Get rid of the Championship league.
No coincidence that the main three clubs driving this European super league are all in a financial mess.
no actually i dont know if ur in to football but real madrid is far away from being in financial mess
@@Nancytame my mistake Madrid aren’t in a financial mess but this super league idea all comes from the likes of Barcelona and Madrid being jealous of how much money the premier league teams earn because it gives English clubs a significant advantage in the transfer market.
Fact is this super league is mostly about money not football.
Football hasnt had any morals since they statrted paying players 500k week and spending 200 million on a player. Greed, greed and more greed is all this is about. Sky, BT and all the broadcastors have mudied the water with the likes of premier league and the gap between the haves and have nots is not dragging in clubs who used to have influence and that are now being outbidded for players by teams in the bottom half of the premier league due to the tv money.
How tho? The current premier season is one of the most competitive ever. Maybe ur talking about the 🗑️ leagues like la liga.
as a fan of a bottom half premier league club... woooohoooo
@@sebastianmathew3193 there's only so many billionaires willing to buy football clubs, it's not a sustainable league if to compete you're main hope is being taken over by some billionaire.
Get back to football being football.
@@bfb187 yet arsenal are on top of the league. The fact of the matter is city dominating is more about them cheating rather than them spending their billions. Look at Newcastle they are doing it the right way.
There is no cause effect relationship. Our league is the best.
Bt and sky charge arm and leg just to watch their sports channels and that's down to football.
Other countries football channels comes as standard.
Here we get mugged off on both sports channels, match tickets and tv licence.
It's a joke
When Simon takes his glasses off you know it's time to pay attention ;o)
Am I alone in thinking the timing of ESL coming straight after Man City news is suspect?
Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M
Few days later - PL Sanction City
Coincidence,Corruption?🤣
Yep, Completely
Spot on this could be their get out of jail free card
Coordinated*
@@NOORAHMED-wi8hy City haven’t been sanctioned..
It was Man United (Sir Matt Busby) that instigated that UK teams should play in Europe; at the time this was opposed - in fact, United were ordered to return for domestic games otherwise otherwise face point deduction relsulting in an urgency to leave Munich in February 1958! My point is that I hear what Simon is saying in that 'evolution' in the game happens.
So what ?
And now with the premier league going after City because of these farcical FFP rules, drawing a line in the sand for any owners who want to change the ownership models of these businesses that are football clubs, why wouldn't an oligarch or a oil sheik throw their money into a super league??
Eventually, all the best footballers in the world will be there, and the premier league will be forced to embrace it because it will deteriorate into a shadow of what it once was (now)
Exactly. Nobody wanted the Premier league. Nobody wanted the Champions league, Europa league etc. Football has to evolve to remain financially sustainable.
Yes for the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, not a super league!
Who's that crying on the runway, who's that dying in the snow?
Jim’s tone towards Simon was childish and condescending
It’s refreshing listening to someone who’s learnt HOW to think, not WHAT to think
Very irritating character Jim white.
He’s a terrible presenter. He would not be getting listened to if Simon wasn’t on his show!
Simon was literally the childish one.
What on earth are you gibbering on about?
Simon was being the prat, he was acting like a typical club owner
These two are always there to make you laugh..class😁
As a Newcastle fan, I'd be gutted if my club became involved in this. Life in a competitive Championship is better than elite clubs playing each other in a superfluous additional competition.
Wrong, it's not additional, it is meant to replace the UCL
We not in the eu so can't get in
Shall I drop my britches and pants and bend at the hips so that you can inspect my starfish with a paraffin lamp?
Especially when those game take place in Dubai, Seattle, New York, Sydney, Tokyo or New Delhi... It would be the death of club football as we know it.
You might be gutted now, but what happens in a few years time when you can't buy the players you can afford because traditionally you are not a big enough club with revenue streams that will allow for it without violating FFP - Whats happening at Man City is intended as a warning to Newcastle and the future owners of Liverpool and United..... Premier League needs to tread carefully here!
I've got an idea on what they should do, all the teams in europe who have won their respective championships, automatically qualify for the champions league, then if they want to have runners up in there as well, only the second team in each championship is selected to play in a playoff round and four of those teams qualify to the champions league in a group of their own, this would sort out a more even distribution of wealth in the competition, plus it is every teams right having won their respective championship to play in the CHAMPIONS league
Yeah let's have a sport with no monopolizing sporting body. That's a great idea. It can be like boxing, because we all know that works soooooooooo well.
@@chrischristian466 if you’re purely into football just to watch the “top” teams then I think that’s extremely sad. Also, unclear how you managed to glean that the OP wants to watch solely lower league football from his comment. Incidentally, both Wrexham and Grimsby put on entertaining performances this week. You enjoy your oil football.
@@chrischristian466 Just watch the PL then, why care about ESL. Top teams vs Top teams
@@katie8325 it's sad that im not a football nerd
@@chrischristian466 You're right, your comment is absurd.
yea fella except the president of the ESL is literally the president of real madrid. same guy who wanted more tv revenue split in la liga because he didnt care about the rest of the league.
😂this is the most sarcastic argument I’ve ever heard 😂😂
Jim can’t believe what he’s hearing from simon🤣🤣🤣
Never thought I'd be agreeing while heartedly with Jim White but he is bang on about the this stupid Super League nonsense . The system ain't broke and Uefa, it can be argued have gone about improving with the introduction of the conference league which provides smaller clubs a chance at European Football
The guy specifically said it was for clubs in the EU. We are not in the EU so we are not invited to the party. Seems they just want to punish the most successful league in the world because they can't compete with the EPL.
They can try to punish us. Nobody is gonna watch Madrid, Barca and 3 washed Italian teams play against 50 other bums in a knockoff CL.
It's exactly that. Can't win fair? Take your ball away. It's funny really its so pathetic.
Apparently football needs saving, according to the ESL apologists. However, how did it survive two World Wars? How it get by when there was no and later very little televised football? How did it survive when there was no shirt sponsorship? How did it survive the large drop in attendances to FAR lower levels than today, from the 1960's to the 1980's? How did it survive the upsurge in hooliganism in the 1970's and 1980's? How did the English clubs survive being banned from Europe for several seasons after 1985? How did EVERY club survive prior to the mid-1950's, when there were no European competitions? How did it survive, when there was FAR smaller global audiences than today? (Even if the proportionate size of global audiences and the financial contribution they make, compared to European audiences, is often grossly exhaggerated! I even saw one halfwit, claim that 200 million would watch the ESL in Singapore, ignoring the inconvenient truth that Singapore has a population of just 6 million!) How were so many clubs able to afford to rebuild their stadia, or move to new ones in some cases, in recent decades?
And yet, Perez claims that football is in crisis and needs saving! The greedy clubs who tried to form the ESL may be in financial trouble in some cases, but they should not be behaving like greedy, overspending, self-entitled brats! Creating a competition, like the ESL though, which will attract FAR lower audiences than the Champions League, is not going to make them nearly as much money as they seem to think and when it crashes and burns, those clubs would be in a hell of a lot more financial trouble than at present! 4 billion viewers? Don't make me laugh! Anyone like Perez who makes such ludicrous claims for an ESL, or indeed ANY football tournament, clearly lives on a different planet! 4 billion is HALF the population of the ENTIRE Earth! (Though perhaps Perez is counting the audience for the ESL from his home planet, amongst those 4 billion, as there sure as hell won't be 4 billion Earthlings watching it!)
@@DamianKnox11 I'm not a PL fan, I follow Scottish football. Do you think it's only PL fans who hate the ESL?
It will only cause a bigger disparity in club finances than there already is. 120 teams already compete in the UEFA European cups. The top division in the ESL will still be made up of all the usual suspects who will be making even more money than ever before thus distancing themselves even further from those who don't qualify/qualify lower. The lifting of FFP will also inflate the transfer market to even more absurd levels of money than ever before, the rich will get richer who always qualify for it and the mid table to lower domestic leagues will find it even more difficult to compete both financially and competitively. It will destroy the domestic leagues still and its an obvious stepping stone to the ESL becoming what it originally wanted to be, a full time league. This whole "new concept" is just a ploy to get fans on board before the obvious longterm goal of completely taking over.
People like you are the problem. Out with the old, in with the new I say
They wanna lift ffp?
The English teams do not need to enter the super league from a financial point of view the likes of Real, AC, Barcelona and so on all need the super league to grow because their own leagues cannot grow.
Interesting how it's clubs like Real Madrid, Barcalona & Juventus are pushing this isn't it. The very same clubs that are jealous of the power & money the Premier League has. That's what all this is about
4:10 "it's Brugge against Arsenal. Wow. Can't wait for that."
Well since Club Brugge are in the Champions League Second Round and Arsenal are currently top of the Premier League, that'd be a sought after game right now.
At the moment not next season
@Alta when you say "half decent league" what you mean is "a league filled with money"
typical disgusting comment by an englishman showing his elitism and disrespevt towards other nations.
@Alta But that is not relevant. Do you want healthy competion or do you want only the biggest clubs in the world to do well?
@Alta And then it is not competition anymore, now is it?
I think in the end the super league will happen with or without the English teams as teams on the continent are seeking to increase their revenue and a league with Madrid, Juve, PSG, Ac Milam Atletico, Rangers, Celtic, Bayern, Inter, Ajax, Borussia has the potential to grow to compete with the PL in few years time. Just my thoughts...
Interesting how it’s Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus are the ones pushing this 😅
The ones that are desperate for cash....
If there are no English teams that super LEAGUE will be useless.
@@javioz6983 because they’ve dominated their leagues and Europe when they had all the money and players now they’re unhappy that the tide has changed and they aren’t the most powerful by far.
Real madrid have won 5 champions leauges in the last 10 years lol including last year beating everyteam in the prem! Yes barca and juve are fucked but madrid ain't it's just perez is like the emperor and wants to control everything
@@ukgrandmaster978 he is a failed emperor.
So they’re basically suggesting a Champions League ?
“whats wrong with the champions league right now?” the champions league that you’re talking about is already gone after UEFA forced their new format which will begin in 2024 i believe, so the argument of dont fix what isnt broke is invalid since UEFA themselves are changing it. So why allow UEFA to continue to make the bulk of the money when the Super League will allow the clubs to be the ones that will benefit. 100% for the Super League.
Jim is a half wit
Jim anti bexit you lost get over it. If we stayed in the eu we would be involved in this rubbish
People fail to notice that the current UCL format will only remain for one more season, the new UCL format is way worse than the Super League but fans want to support it by name only. If the Super League comes fans will learn to love it, just like they eventually got used to drastic changes in UCL and World Cup formats over the years
Nonsense!
@@AlbowaSinema try doing some research
They are pissed off that the Brexiteers are dominating European football.
Would have thought there’s too many competitions now
Who grieved for Reims, Saint Etienne, Nottingham Forest and Eintracht Frankfurt glorious European histories? Barcelona didn't win the European Cup/CL until 1992. None of these elite clubs that's for sure.
Soo are we all keeping the same energy like last time proposal? 👀
This one is just pathetic. It's a few big clubs that have destroyed their leagues that want to impact everyone else. I'm a united fan and don't need to see us play Rennes, Zenit, Valencia, Beskitas, FC Sheriff, Olympiakos, Young Boys, etc..... and all the other crap teams around Europe on a weekly basis so Barca / Real madrid can get more money. It's a disgrace. Our championship is more attractive than La Liga. The Europa league is nauseating enough, we don't need another 20 worse teams mid week
@@johnfulco8313 lets see, european clubs who are not in the premier league or Psg are fed up of billionaires buying premier league teams to use money from outside of football and buying their players
@@johnfulco8313have you seen there are actually people who want this
I support a team in the championship and I’m sick to death of these glory hunting fans constantly neglecting the smaller clubs and acting like we don’t exist and all that matters is the ucl
@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678 makes the most money it was ok when spain was buying all premier league stars wasn't it ?
@@bluesEvanskro I don't want super league people only want super league because there broke
Simon Jordan's opinion on everything: "Executives and football club owners are always right about everything, they should be allowed to do whatever they want and who are you povs to question us rich people?!"
Well said, Simon 👏
Jim spot on. Usually agree with Simon but he’s completely off it on this one
Who even remembers when red star Belgrade won the old champions league?
the inclusion of 60-80 teams makes it likely to happen again.
Super league equals more boring games akin to majority of Champs league Group games.
If they really wanted to do something exciting, create a winter Club Euro Cup, scrap everything else.
Think Qatar WC every November/December for Clubs.
Something actually worth watching
No wonder why the English left European union, while rest of Europe want Super League to take over Premier League. Everyone wants to eat their apple pie and eat it like doller for doughnut.
The super league will never actually compete with the English Premier league. It would be a soulless competition with crowd effects added like the world cup in 2022. With lots of fake fans in the crowds with models placed for the cameras to focus in on.
It would be full of advertising with star players with their faces CGI onto an actors bodies advertising some tourist location paid for by blood money.
Simon's wrong on this one
I like the banter between Simon and Jim.
It's fantastic tbh
It’s top notch 👌
The main issue with the previous "super league" was that it was set clubs in the same league every season, it wasn't based on merit. It was just to give them clubs more money.
But does the football season need even more games? Probably not.
let's be honest..the Premier League IS THE SUPERLEAGUE! With the inclusion of Newcastle, there is now a top 7 in the top flight..& look at what West Ham did in Europe last season.. The very fact that Ancelotti could even go to a club like Everton just goes to show the power of the league..All other clubs will be consigned to the history books..they cant compete
2 Champions League winners in 10 years. Some super league that.
@@-The-Darkside It wasnt a problem when EPL was catching up with Spain and Italy but now EPL is on top, and these broke ass leagues and teams cant handle that.
Premier league fans salty becuz their beloved Premier league will become the Carabao cup now 🤣🤣
@@-The-Darkside Becuz ur money is all Qatari and oil 🤣🤣🤣
@@ThatGuy-du3sq Why don't u produce ur own players then?? U buy from other leagues with ur oil money and yet call urselves the best ....🤣🤣🤣
sounds to me the big Spanish clubs crying because they can't outspend everyone else anymore.
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊💯 Facts
We don't want a European Super League, we've already got boss Simon Jordan League zone.
You are tedious with your repetitive comments.
Did you even listen to him? He said he isn't against ESL.
LFC Spectre = TOP Lad Proper Clobber Spitting 💯 Facts God Bless
Love the variation of this comment over time.
Jim of all people should know how the unfair wealth gap in football has ruined it for former giants.
Rangers couldn't compete in the Champions League. It was embarrassing.
A fair distribution of wealth through a Super League would be fantastic.
Simon. Is. On. Point.
Just like Cities CAS verdict, it's pretty clear Simon hasn't even read the damn thing.
Why is he arguing that UEFA is a monopoly but not realising that the super league is simply the same thing, except Madrid, Barca, Juve are the ones that control things. Talk about a conflict of interest. What happens when the club you're playing against is the one that sets the damn rules.
Amusing debate. There is truth in that the Champions League has become very uncompetitive in the group stages. Also it is fair to say the English clubs have become overly dominant. If 50 clubs really are up for this then it has to be taken seriously. European competitions were a lot better 20 years ago when the Italian teams were stronger, plus the Dutch. I can see there is a space for a European competion without the Premiership teams, could be interesting.
Why do you think there is a place for a competition that doesnt allow premiership teams in?
@@John...44... Not too sure why but people just hate the English when it comes to football.
@@bna919 they are jealous of how rich the premier league is it’s actually really embarrassing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your argument to say the English teams have become overly dominant is farcical. Since year 2000, English teams have only won the competition 5 times. Chelsea twice, LFC twice and ManU once. I am a ManU fan without bias, so please speak truth to important topic of superleague.
THANK YOU. NOBODY ASKED FOR THE PREMIER LEAGUE. NOBODY ASKED FOR THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.
He still didn't answer, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? You can dislike it, it doesn't mean it's wrong.
Most fans who are against the super league are mostly in England and few parts of Europe. The Super league will be a thing at some point in the future whether they like it or not. With all the rules and sanctions from ffp and the FA I am sure City, Chelsea and other teams will start considering joining the super league in some capacity.
Every PL club is bound legally via the recent PL agreement to not be a part of any new tournament
@@GerLeahy Unless they pledge aligence to the premiere league, any agreement can always be reviewed.
@@Auguimusic Why would the PL agree to a review of a legally binding contract? It's literally just been signed
@@GerLeahy This means if a team gets kicked out of the premiere league they are free to do whatever they want. like in the potential case of City. Or they can argue in court against any attempt by the FA to punish them for breaking ffp rules and argue in court that it is a breach of the agreement, and argue against the harsh penalties. Either way, the clubs have more power imo.
@@Auguimusic The clubs have more power? More power than the courts?
if Madrid, Atletico and Barcelona gave up their 75% chokehold on rights in Spain so the other clubs would also benefit it might not sound so hypocritical
It's a non starter the pl teams signed an agreement that they cant sign up to a break away league
None of the prem teams ever left the ESL. None of them payed the breakout clause, so whether you like it or not, the big 6 are all for it
@@Ryan-ep4py better tell sky sports new that. 👍🏻 they said only 3 teams are still in the esl. None are from the prem.
"Tune in and turn up your hearing aid" is an excellent comeback!
So you crack on with a ESL mate (A22 whoever they think!🙄) and carry on with EPL and see what happens! 🤣🤣 Premier League brand is now so power it’s the reason why the top European teams are struggling. 😂
The only argument jim had against simon was "Go away".
The fact of the matter is that the big clubs can only attract so many supporters from their own country, but the potential for fans from all over the world is enormous. A Chelsea fan in Singapore who doesn't travel to each game but pays to watch on TV would care a hell of a lot more if Chelsea were playing Bayern, Madrid and Milan week in week out as opposed to Palace, Burnley and Watford, that's much more appealing to the international audience.
Why can’t they support a team in Singapore?
A closed shop was what fans said no.
The Premier league would never have happened if Jim White was around.
Only EPL fans are against this ...U guys say what the ESL is doing is jealousy and greedy and yet u guys want to only be the most enticing and not get any rivals..If any one is against the ESL, then it's the premier league fans where their beloved league won't be the most most watched league again. They are all salty that other leagues will come out into the light and compete. That's why they are all against this.
No we are not.... no one cares about how many foreigners watch and support our teams... and with the ESL it doesn't mean other leagues will get better and overtake the EPL like your saying. It means the rich clubs will get richer and that's that. This is a money grab, nothing else. That's why we are against it
If it means less plastics like you interfering with your worthless opinions on our football then I'm all for the ESL.
What is wrong with a European Super League...what is the point of watching Mamchester City beat Norwich 5-0
It's boring.
A league where Juventus play Ajax or Barcelona play PSG on a bi-weekly basis is far more interesting.
Just imagine a new subscription to watch the Super League 😏
It would be soulless corporations running the show with the EU national anthem being played if you can guess what that is. I do not think the composer of that anthem would be very happy with it being used as anthem.
3:31 Wrong Simon. 52% of those who actually voted not those who were eligible to vote. A flawed process if ever there were one.
LET THEM ALL GO AND LEAVE US ALONE .
If all the top teams in Europe go excluding Prem teams to the Super League, the Champions League dies. All the money will go to the Super League because theyll attract more viewers from a Barca vs Milan / Ajax vs Napoli game than Arsenal vs Shaktar Donestk and Chelsea v Victoria Pielsen in the Champions League. In the end the Prem teams will want to join the competition with the most money
@@Yob365 true. There’s too many filler teams in the CL, but AC Milan/Inter just don’t have that pull anymore. Dortmond probably has a bigger online following than them.
@@miamitten1123 Yes that literally the point of the Super League tho. They all get massive amounts of money for being in the Super League. Money + History = Pull
@@Yob365 But let the "best" prem teams go. With their money versus the rest there is no real excitement or competition anyway. Only recently have you not been able to pick the top 4 every season
I want to see the likes of Liverpool overcoming a giant team like AC Milan and winning the Champions league, players in Europe, South America, Asia etc grew up of dreaming to hear that song and holding old big ears. The problem started with Neymar deal from Barcelona and Coutinho etc now it's getting out of control
Easy to see how Simon failed at being a club owner.
The first ESL proposal was dire. This is better but it's too many games. I'm not sure why you'd get rid of the brilliant exciting format of the champions league or remain in a domestic league when in an ESL. For me, one ESL with 20 teams. It sits atop domestic leagues with relegation to and from ESL from the domestic leagues. Champions League still runs in its current format. With the 20 teams from the ESL and 12 from the domestic leagues. ESL teams can also play in their domestic cup competitions. Europa League still runs. I think this is palatable and potentially exciting.
I cant believe that I agree with some of Jordans views, but my gawd Jim is just...well...a fossil! A fricken antiquity!🤦♂️
Let's just take a moment and acknowledge that Gary Neville single handedly disbanded the super league idea last time.
Where is Garry Neville when you need him 🤣🤣
With the backing of literally every other football person in the world
I hope you're being sarcastic 😂
this is how the premier league.... those who opposed are the same one endorsing how great it is now
Silence JW 😆 listen to him, and more importantly let your listeners listen to him
European Giants don't like the success of the Prem!!
Simon talking common sense.
You joking right
As much as I don't like the idea of super league, when you listen to the counter arguments Simon stated, he's right
@@joaofigueira4769 No. Once Billionaire's began buying PL clubs as playthings or Whitewashing mechanisms, then the profit sharks came circling. Any resemblance between what I stood on the terraces watching from the later 70s, and the current celebrity circus has long gone. I actually suspect fans will gravitate to smaller clubs where they can enjoy a good honest game played by sports people instead of aftershave representatives.
If one of the top clubs falls out of their European competition in a run of bad early season form, but have a good run of form for say 2 months from February, they don't have a chance to capitalise on this Form because of their earlier elimination from the competition.
A league without elimination would allow teams to maximise profits on their good form, regardless of the time of the season.
Further, this promotes the consistency of form as there would be no 'relegation' back to their National League, because there is no elimination.
More Good Football>More Viewers>More Money
It's not good football. I hate to be elitist, what value to Man U does playing mid table teams from La Liga, League One, Bundesliga, and Serie A? Or teams from Croatia, belgium, cyprus, greece, etc... No one wants that. Barca / Real / Juve just can't get over that the PL & Championship are bigger and better than their leagues. They've all lost the American Audience, they've lost alot of Asia's audience... people just don't care about those 1-2 horse leagues. Does anyone in the world outside of france watch the french league? Why the hell do i need to watch man u play 1/4 of their league mid week. I have literally no interest
👍👍👍 There's gonna be a knee jerk from You Tubers searching for clucks like Rory and Kuck Off crew BUT you're right. UEFA take loads for basically (badky) running CL and expanding international football to ludicrous degree cos they make more. UEFA made Qatar W/C happen. They AREN'T in it for football. Clubs with huge worldwide support NEED to be able to maximise profit whilst PSG, City, Newcastle run roughshod over FFP...better football, still has a great final, relegation, promotion better games, better financial footing...I'm 100% behind this as UEFA and FIFA are unfit for purpose
@@johnfulco8313 Look back at the Premier League's greatest players, where they came from and tell me the other leagues don't matter again...
The PL as the most elite national League only comes as a consequence of other leagues doing their bit to raise levels in their country.
In the same manner, a super league raises the bar once again. If the PL really houses the best clubs then the best players will trickle down or in this case up to those clubs.
So if anything, it gives the PL a bigger pool of players to pick and choose this, raising the level in the league.
@@hamonryechinaski180 Absolutely. In the end of the day, money will win you games. Better facilities, trainers etc. We won't be able to change that.
Similar to the PL, every league place finish and subsequently every point attained is worth a certain amount of income.
The relative value of that income is of course different from club to club.
So Dynamo Zagreb for example will play their heart out as the income from the 3 points is worth far more to them than e.g. Newcastle.
They can use these funds to promote their academy system who's products will in turn, if good enough, move around clubs and improve football as a whole.
It also Curbs the elitist attitude of some superstars who seem to only perform for the most important games. To be at the top, you have to show that you're consistently good which nearly every human being would argue to be the best method of judgement for deciding who is the best at anything.
prem teams cant join it unless they leave prem and pay fines that would leave those clubs with just 14 games max a season
Then they'll still join and deal with just the 14 games as that's still gonna bring in more money than the prem. They know full well that long term this will be expanded and be just like the first proposal. Or they'll just all join in a few more years when it's already progressed to that point.
Whose fault is it that these clubs can’t compete..?? There own
In the early 2000’s the champs league was great because it was alot more competitive. But now its boring, its the same teams every year. It needs freshening up
It's the richest teams every year.
Money distributed more equally is the only way.
Jim White: who’s going to watch Bruge vs Arsenal while championing for smaller clubs
'Why didn't you do it properly in the first place then?' Love it SJ, top dog.
This new super league sounds a lot like the way college football is set up on the states. Hundreds of teams. Once a year a big name college plays an away game at a smaller school. The smaller school makes a ton of $$ off the TV deal and ticket sales. The larger school plays their b -squad so that the smaller school isn't completely embarrassed.
Occasionally a smaller school will fumble it's way into a championship race. But, the larger schools consistently remain at the top.
This isn the US, we don’t want March madness, we don’t want multi ball
@@leelangley3705 I do not disagree
Top flight football is slowly killing itself.
Top flight football has never been more popular, and has never been watched by so many people. "Football is killing itself" is just the slogan of a bunch of selfish working class Brits who are frightened to think that they might one day not be the center of the football universe.
@Dale Viker those selfish working class brits who are the ones paying to watch their club week in and week out?.
There the selfish one's? Ffs Grow up
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Bore off
@@daleviker5884
Ooooo look at me I'm Dale and I'm too good for the working class get those smelly peasants away
@@daleviker5884
Run along now your non binary gender studies teacher is waiting 😂😂🤣🤣
It's totally because the premier league is more powerful than the other big leagues combined .
History is repeating itself because that is exactly how the Premier League was founded. It was a breakout faction of first division English clubs who signed a TV rights deal with Sky and became the founding members. Super league is the exact same concept except that it is EU centric and has no permanent members.
English clubs like Chelsea and Spurs can spend 600 million on transfers and a billon dollars on a stadium respectively. Smaller clubs in Europe cannot afford basic renovations. They have even removed the permanent members requirement, so any team can qualify.
I am interested in more details around how it works. Let's wait and watch.
I think if it were to strictly replace he champion's league then it might be acceptable and with better financial distribution
The problem that needs solving is the opposite to that which the SL seeks to address. The big clubs appear too often in the CL because it is weighted and designed to their advantage and that is very boring. The old European Cup format was much better.
Simon Jordan is an icon.
its obviously broken. Just because epl clubs are already having a lot of income and being owned by litreal countries and states does not mean that other clubs can compete with them. isnt this unstable?
If he wants to start his own governing body then go and do it, players will have to choose which one one they want to play in. FIFA and UEFA and the CL, World Cup, Euros etc or the super league, a glorified Europa League.
They've suddenly gone from wanting the biggest clubs and having all the money to saying its been done to stop the divide 😭😭
Now the super league is for Porto, Celtic, Ajax....
We're not as stupid as you look.
So true. They keep trying to pull the Elitist card for the PL but the reality is our championship has about as much viewer ship as their leagues. Our grounds as a whole are better, our history is better, our facilities are better. As a united fan, i can't take anymore games against Europe League quality teams. The product is TERRIBLE, and the travel is brutal.... i don't even want to see us against majority of Bundesliga, Serie A, League One, or La liga teams.
Actually the competition could replace the friendlies they play but have a staggered competition not affecting other competitions. Chelsea football club as champions of England, were the first team invited to join the European Cup and the FA banned them from doing so but that changed later on.
If one was created and had all of the top teams joining, the chances of another league being created will be highly unlikely.
@@MrAce86Productions How many more games a year do you think players can play? We don't need more meaningless friendlies which lead to more injuries, fatigued players, and terrible games. The Super league format is 14 games a season... how the hell do you squeeze in another 14 games without impacting existing competitions? As a united fan we already see sometimes 50-60 games a season. We seriously need another 14 games meaningless games? or playing in the blazing heat over the summer 14 times?
Like at some point these players aren't robots. There is international friendlies, world cup, euros, etc... Enough is enough. We don't need more games just so Barca / Real / Juve can try to make up quicker for their horrendously run clubs financially.
@@johnfulco8313 English clubs foreign/UK revenue split is 55%-45% so, foreign friendlies will happen regardless of what you think as English fans only contribute a third of the clubs total revenue.
In fact, if you feel so bad about this, go and protest outside your club and they will give you the middle finger and kick you off their property but had it been in the states, you rightly would have been shot.
Teams play 4-10 friendlies per season during the summer so an extra 4 games won't hurt the players and players love the European summer heat. Even though they aren't robots, the players earn in a month what a normal person earns in a lifetime, meaning they can play the matches and are well compensated for it.
Clubs can have bigger squads and rotate players and since these can replace friendlies, the clubs won't have an issue with it, in fact, if the clubs can make serious money from it, they would play the games as football teams are a business so you are a cash cow and this has always been the case.
UEFA are only doing this due to its own monopoly agenda and if this did go ahead, it won't affect the EPL anyway as its just another tournament.
Historically, Chelsea as English Champions were invited to play in the European Cup in 1955, but the FA banned Chelsea from taking part, but this changed a few years later as they couldn't stand the though of a Scottish team winning it first, which Celtic did in 1965 and the FA and English teams making money from participating.
In the end of the day, fans ranting on about not with our game is pointless as you don't own the game so the teams should be able to do what they want to make more money and if the ESL does go ahead, then I'm sure the FA would allow participation at some point as long as it doesn't hurt the league and they make boat loads of money in the process which as a business, they most likely will and your brittle feelings will just be given the middle finger rightly.
He literally said "illustrious, historical European clubs that cannot compete"
This isn't for the premier league, it's setup for Juventus, real Madrid and Barca to earn money to compete with premier league teams.
Spot on Simon as usual does Jim just act stupid or is he just stupid 😂😂😂
I wouldn't be cheering for anyone yet. I'll take a wait and see approach.
Susan is the kitchen closed ? Now get cooking 🍳
@@AfroGaz71 he's playing devils advocate for sake of the conversation.....and he is getting payed to do so id imagine lol
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The problem with Simon is that anything the ‘market’ and monetary forces deem profitable, he considers to be both rational and inevitable…all other considerations go out the window i.e. history, tradition, fan culture. Simon views money as the great rational arbiter. And whilst I’m all up for a bit of capitalism, if we let the money decide everything, we WILL loose everything that ever meant anything to any of us. Do Not Be Fooled.
Simon just always makes him look stupid 🤷😂😂
At least we haven't sell our souls by selling our clubs for money to rich owners or oil owners. We ourselves have stake in our club. Fan clubs.
The same qatar and saudi who has been criticised for human rights by English media. Ironically now man United wants qatari owners and Newcastle=saudi money
Even I don't like this idea. But a super league is inevitable. Clubs should be able to monetize their football matches.
Does Jim know the format of the champions league has already been altered for the season after next? One massive group, as football manager players know all too well
The best thing to do for the game is to allow Real,Barca,Bayern and other big euro teams to join the premier league.
That would be crazy