49ers name Sam Darnold backup QB over Trey Lance, per report | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, Greg Jennings, and Kevin Wildes react to the San Francisco 49ers naming Sam Darnold their backup QB over Trey Lance. The group debate if they agree with the move.
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Rather listen to Wildes
Everyone in the NFL scout report TL is top 3 QB in the 2021 draft... is'nt great to be a monday night football quarterback?
No thanks.
Nick is an Idiot...
@@morpheus3596is 8
Imagine what that 49ers roster would look like if they didn’t make that Trey lance trade
Someone made a vid about it lol
imagine if the genius Kyle had a TreyBay package his rookie year?
That's the point Nick was trying to make, but Brou wasn't getting that..
@@JJdaillest lol yeah they just be arguing to argue sometimes
@@LuisCastro-rb3mqwhat’s the link?
As a 49ers fan Nick is not wrong here. Lynch and Shanahan also rejected Brady TWICE!
Exactly
And Rodgers too if I recall
Brady is overrated
@@henry7765 lmao no
@@keegan1948 mahomes is already better
So u traded all them picks so that he doesn’t even become the backup??? This is not what the rams GM meant when he said f them picks 💀
So they should use the worse QB based on the past?
@@Therealcarolinaguyu should give him a season or 2 to develop under pressure he'll either turn into a diamond or turn into a lump of coal but not playing him doesn't derermine anything not his trade value his skills nothing
@Therealcarolinaguy right. Everyone just jumped on the try bandwagon cause they dislike Jimmy. Brock has clearly proven himself and darnold looked better in pre season
@SheffOnK2 they don't have time for that with their defense being soo good. Window won't last forever
@@SheffOnK2The team is ready to win now not in a couple years when/if Trey Lance ever becomes better.
As a lifelong Niners fan, all I can do is laugh. Nick is right that the whole situation is a mess, and the ONLY saving grace is that we lucked into Purdy. Which by the way, he still has to replicate what he did last year to prove it wasn't a fluke. Greg said it correctly that it's beyond confusing.
*Edit*
Some of ya'll don't understand what I mean by mess when talking about our QB situation. I'm not just referring to just this year. It's Kyle's entire tenure and to a degree beyond that. The amount of miscalculations and bad evaluations the team has made are laughable. Brock is great, but it remains to be seen if he is that after 8 games and an injury. I remember when Kaepernick was crown the future greatest QB ever, but look how that turned out. This was after we passed on A-Rod for Alex Smith. This current regime told us Jimmy G was the answer and even turned away Tom Brady. Only for them to trade the farm for his future replacement, Trey Lance. They told us Trey would be the guy, theough words and drafting him in that fashion. Now, to admit, they whiffed so badly on him is so confusing to Greg's point. That's also why I say they lucked into Brock because he was never part of the plan. If he was, then why was he QB3 last year. He wasn't even QB2 because they instead gave that to the guy they tried to move one from and who didn't practice all summer, Jimmy.
Hence, it's a mess, and I'm not even going to factor in our horrible injury history at the position.
Nick is clearly wrong for one thing he is a chiefs fan and also he can’t even be objective
Exactly
@@chrisrenshaw6372how
@@chrisrenshaw6372 not all. sounds like you couldn't understand the point at all.
@@chrisrenshaw6372 if you think is is wrong fine, but I can tell you that many Niners fans have been asking for years what is up with our QB room. If it isn't health then it's our evaluation of the position or our development of it. Like Nick said this points to a flaw in how we have approached it for the simple fact we missed so badly in this case. I like Purdy but it still remains to be seen if he is the future. Chris acts like winning a SB is so easy now as well. What the heck does he think we've been trying to do the past 30 years since we last did it?
The Lance saga isn't even the weirdest thing I've seen as a Niners fan lol.
Chris bolond
Forreals. Lol.
@@ghosting6723 He was just another in a string of retirements from that era. That fire sale / rapid depletion of the team was wild
Giovanni Carmazzi 🤦🏽♂️
I'll take a knee to that
Brou is deflecting. This has nothing to do with Purdy. This is about the Niners’ ability to manage assets. That Trey Lance trade might eliminate their window because of all the assets they moved for him. Nick is right, if they just draft at 12 and trusted their scouting and other position evaluations, a Lombardi felt inevitable. Instead, they took a mammoth gamble when they already had a championship contender and now might have squandered it.
While that's true, the butterfly effect is still something to consider. There's no guarantee that Purdy would have been their pickup had they not traded up for Lance. Had they not taken lance, they may have drafted another QB with another pick instead and purdy would have been undiscovered. It sucks that they gave up their capital for a total bust in Lance, but at least they came away with a QB who was top 3 last year in his games played. Their window is wide open for a championship because of Purdy. Health might interfere with that hope, but that's always been Shanny's problem. He's been getting his QBs hurt for years and blaming it on the QB but nobody blames him. Started with RG3 and he still doesn't protect them well even in San Fran.
@@renaldoawesomesauce1654 why would them picking another QB other than lance stop them from picking Purdy he was the last pick the draft. Only thing stoping them from picking purdy is if he was picked earlier heck they probs pick him earlier
@@sly0422 Because they may have selected a QB in the 2nd/3rd round and then selected another QB earlier than the last pick of the draft at maybe 5th or 6th round. When they took Trey they didn't see any reason to give him a backup and ONLY took Purdy since he was the best player on their draft board remaining.
Kind of. QB is hugely important. Eagles almost beat the Chiefs and their QB was lights out but for one mistake. Do the 49ers beat the Chiefs or Bengals with subpar QB play? They felt they had to make a change, and recent Super Bowl winners indicate the QB can't be mid.
@@rusty4265 The Niners beat the Chiefs with Jimmy G if Kyle doesn't stop running the ball and the defense stops them just 1 single time.
I don't agree a lot with what comes out of Nick's mouth but he's spot on with his assessment. I've been scratching my head about Lance since day one.
Yea it was a huge mistake to spend all those assets to draft a raw prospect like Trey Lance then to never give him a chance to play and get better. All these situations like Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson who were all raw prospects who were allowed to play and get better. Lance not getting a chance makes the 49ers look like fools for trading all that for him.
My whole take on it was this...TL had one year of college at North Dakota. One. Year.. Locked Jimmy G out of the building and gave Lance the keys to the Lambo when we had a title game and super bowl appearance in recent years.
Someone needs to be on the hook for all of that draft capital we gave away
@@tomferris8890 There is a possibility you guys take Mac Jones there and he’s an even better version than Brock Purdy for you guys. Or you just stick with Jimmy and take Micah Parsons.
I would have been fine with either of those options.. At least it would have made more sense. Shanahan passed on Mahomes in 2017 but saw something in Trey when they drafted him. His compass is a little off
Trey played well in the 2nd preseason game, especially for a guy who didn't practice for a year because of an injury, and whose last full season of play was 4 seasons ago. I'm surprised at the speed with which he is being written off when he barely played in the NFL. Darnold started multiple games over many years & wasn't good but he's being given a chance(happy for him). This kid hasn't even played NFL games. It's the lack of patience after giving up so much for him, that makes shanahan look terrible in my opinion.
He got injured the first 2 seasons, a finger, then a knee and then the broken ankle last year on his second game, he was given the chance, it just didn't happen, it is unfortunate but it is what it is, and given the short windows in the NFL, I agree with their approach, they need to go with whoever gives them the better chance, and I believe is Purdy, Darnold and Lance, in that order, Lance needs to be more consistent
How can you be “surprised” by it when you have next to no information on him? He isn’t being “written off,” but clearly he isn’t performing well enough in practice, to the point that they don’t believe he’s even a viable backup in front of Darnold.
You’re acting like they’re just randomly selecting who’s going to play. They didn’t just say “oh that Darnold guy is so cool, we’re making him the backup, since Trey didn’t laugh at my joke.” You saw Lance throw 18 passes and concluded he’s getting shafted, despite the 49ers seeing him EVERY SINGLE DAY in practice. For all you know every pass he threw was a wrong and he missed the right read.
Your opinion doesn’t make sense, they have all the reason in the world to want Trey Lance to work out, that clearly isn’t happening because he can’t beat out Darnold. If he’s not even the backup, it says a lot more about him than the Niners. The expectations for a backup QB are not extraordinarily high.
Lance has always been a project player. The 49ers don’t have the time to be waiting around anymore. By this point in his career lance should be the clear starter, but he’s not. That is because of injuries, it’s unfortunate but he is clearly still behind in terms of nfl football
No would care if the 9ers didn't give up 3 1st round picks to select him!!
@@Emu1776A project player should've never been worth picks & high selection to begin with!!
That driving off a cliff analogy by Nick was pure gold lol
The thing is I’ve seen no 49er reporter say Darnold outplayed Lance
Exactly….
Totally Right
Add to that, is that to arrive at Purdy as your starter, you had to have a series of events that no one could plan for. That's called luck, and points to the organization not having a good process to evaluate QB's...that's what Nick is saying; he isn't saying Lance is great, just that their process is terrible...add to that what you're saying and this overall makes no sense
Because the 49ers have racist reporters that want Lance even if he sucks
True Story!
Whole thing is sunk cost fallacy… clearly they don’t think Trey lance is going to be good enough for them right now. And they have to win RIGHT NOW. Trent Williams is 35. Their fullback is 33. The whole roster is injury prone. They are going to have to pay bosa aiyuik and god knows who else. This team as constructed is not going to be around forever. Terrible pick in hindsight but hindsight is always 20/20
@@houseofguards2391 Just stop. It was not his fault the Niners lost the SB, lol. Give it up already.
I remember the media lighting a fire under the niners organization because they were looking at getting Mac Jones. I remember nick specifically putting heat on them. Up to draft night a lot of people were thinking they were gonna pick Mac Jones. But they ended up taking trey lance….i don’t think they niners were ever seriously in love with lance but they gave in to all the hype that was around him at the time and now they’re course correcting.
^ This they want to turn around and complain now but when that was happening they where bitching non stop
smoke n mirrors. say ur drafting mac, so other teams will draft mac.
They should’ve taken fields smh
The idea was that Shanahan wanted Jones as he was very pro-ready and could execute Shanahan’s offense, but once the 49ers traded multiple picks to move up, they were scrutinized based on this idea because no one thought Mac would go that high.
it was the fanbase. the fanbase was calling the organization racist for liking Mac over Fields and Lance. the fanbase put a lot of pressure on the org in the bay area.
LOL everytime someone is mad that Trey hasn't had enough chances, they forget he's been with the team 3 years, had a couple chances and lost his spot. It sucks yes, but that is the NFL. Sometimes someone better comes along sooner than you expected. Tough. Held to account? Again dude has had 3 years to play for us, he isn't ever ready. lol Nick is so funny. Just let Brock have the rock! Go 49ers!
"lost his spot" he broke his leg being run between the C and RG.. he's had about 3 full games of NFL football
@@jonnyvelocity No, lost it by being the only qb thats so bad that he looks bad in the offense, which every qb except him has looked goood in
@@davidwilliams6392you clearly don’t watch football if you think that and I’m not a niner fan
Brou is just looking at the final outcome of something that almost never happens. Nick is right this is a terrible process that’s getting bailed out by the literal last pick of the draft🤣
Exactly. Brou was arguing about the possible outcome while Nick was arguing the process. Those are 2 totally separate topics and Brou seems to get stuck in what he thinks is being argued instead of the actual point.
If Purdy had no success this wouldn't even be an issue
Exactly
You know things are crazy when Nick is making the most sense. Hes usually the one with the wild thoughts.
Which is why now I’m bothering to listen to him.
He’s been a well known niner hater. So meh. Lance isn’t that guy. It’s a draft mistake yes, but IF purdy pans out, it doesn’t matter at all. We LITERALLY just got to the nfc title game, had purdy not gotten hurt, it’s possible we win that game and the Super Bowl. It’s not like we went and lost out with purdy at qb. He gave us some of the best qb play we’ve seen in awhile
@@jayA2454_ it's a massive draft mistake it's not a small one. Even if Purdy works out that doesn't erase the mistake you lose all that draft capital for someone who's riding the bench as 3rd string. Then on top of that you are gonna be paying Lance more than Purdy and Darnold combined by almost double.
@@jayA2454_cheifs niners was his superbowl pick last year lol.
@@jhmxk guess you missed all the trash he talks abt them even as his pick
nick is honestly my favorite analyst in the world when he gets the passionate over something because you can honestly tell he believes what hes saying without being a hot take artist
I'm curious what Nick has to gain from making this argument. Many teams have done similar things and lost the gamble.
NONE of those other teams rejected Tom Brady 3 times like the 49ers have.
To be right. The 9ers QB situation has been bad for a decade
Bro, why is nick so worked up over this 😂
Cuz it’s probably the dumbest thing I ever seen. To give up on a guy after a game
Nick just wanna sound like he knows something.. He shouldn't even be on the show..
Because he has some weird affinity for Lance
@@bobbyrivera2951Maybe he’s just that bad…
Nicks' really dying on this hill huh?
I mean he's right lance is a bust
Lance is a bust and he makes a good point, normally someone is held to account when you swing big and miss. I don't think Brett Veach would be the Chiefs GM if the trade for Mahomes didn't work. (I know that veach didn't draft him but he did scout him)
It’s a reach to say what they lost with the TL trade. Yeah they gave (2) 1sts and swapped one.
The reality, they drafted very well in later rounds. The team is built from the draft and it’s solid from top to bottom and they ended up with QB1 with a 7th so that’s a wash.
And if u go look up there draft picks for this coming draft 2024 they projected too have another 3 3rds plus there 1st and 2nd round picks. Not too mention a full draft order from 1 too 7 the front office has done well too take a hit like this Def shouldn't be fired but Def hot seats too win a bowl
3 first round picks for a kick in the nuts.
It was 2 and his career is not over unless he up and retires, lol.
That drive a car off a cliff line was funny but true
Nick's going overboard but he isn't wrong. What happened in the last 11 months where Trey was your starter and potential franchise QB to not being able to beat out a turnover machine in Sam Darnold for a backup role? Not even the last 11 months because he was injured for most of that. It had to be within the last few months. Did he just magically become a horrible practice player?
He has actually been a bad practice player, lol.
The thing too is the repercussions for failing that pick so hard won’t truly be felt for years. Since the team is so stacked right now they can withstand the loss of 3 first round players but as more and more players come off their rookie deals and they have to pay purdy or whoever the lack of top tier talent still on rookie deals will start to hurt them. They can overcome it possibly we see teams miss on 1st round picks all the time but they effectively missed on 3 consecutive 1sts and multiple other picks with the cmc trade.
They only lost 2 first round picks and failed on the other. But look where those picks ended up being. Something not talked about either.
@@byronsmith3152 yeah it’s like those 3 pick didn’t happen since they got no return for them. Even tho they are later 1sts they are still 1sts and many top tier players are late first rounders.
@@mikewilliams-jw8jd Sure they could have been top tier talent, but the Niners are already stacked. If it didn't hurt them, then why does it matter? Think about it this way, what if it turns out that not a single QB in that draft class pans out? Was it really a swing and a miss? People are acting like the Niners are going to be bottom dwellers for the next few years because of that trade. Sorry but that is completely false.
Nick acts like he didn’t get a chance. Lance got hurt then got beat out by another player. It happens in life. Calm down
I love Nick's Corvette/hidden treasure analogy, and so did Wildes 😄
This makes that trade for Trey bad for all the picks they gave up for him 🤦🏾♂️
Right
They’re still a monster for the next five years
You hit and you miss, sometimes things don’t work out what matters is that you take that risk and live with the results it’s 3 years ago let it go
@@KKOOLSKOOL his point is that no one in history has taken this kind of risk and gotten away without being fired. no one trades 3 first round picks for a QB that they then have to get rid of 2-3 years later with only 4 starts.
@@SilentSage777five years ...?
I love how Nick feels like the 49ers are the only people to whiff on a quarterback. It doesn't matter that he hasn't had all these starts. He's had 3 years in an offense that he can't grasp. That's the problem. Look at Ryan Leaf, hes prob the most famous one but at least one team whiffs on the top 10 every year. And how can you say thier QB evaluation is so bad when every QB shanahan puts in has at least some productivity. They must be doing something right to be top 6 in offense.
It’s not that the 49ers are the only people to whiff. What’s damning is that team is literally an average QB away from being a juggernaut. So the fact that they are goofing up this QB process is what he’s fired up about.
they traded all that for a guy who had played 12 games in his entire career. That's not a whiff, that's a bad strategy. How are you not getting that?
No other team rejected Tom Brady 3 times. So there's that about the 49ers.
Its one thing to miss on a top 10 pick its another to give up multiple 1st rounders for the chance to miss
they swapped 1st rd picks that year, gave up the next 2 years first rounders and a 2022 3rd rounder (all were the 29th pick in each round) please name some game changing players taken that late in the first round in nfl history please...because that's what they really gave up. I can think of 2 in the last 50 years...Dan Marino(27th) and Aaron Rodgers(24th). So it's really not as big of a risk as everyone is making it out to be. Everyone tries to bash them, but they keep winning so I really don't see what all the bitching and crying is about....
They went out there to acquire Sam because they saw something.
Nick : "No, they didn't!!!"
Nick is really throwing a tantrum here like a kid. It's ridiculous.
sentence before that: they brought Darnold in when nobody else wanted him
Because Broussard is a clown. You really gonna tell me the Niners looked at Darnold and said, "That's a guy who we can win with!". FOH
What did they see, ghosts?
Oh Nick give it a rest dude. You predicted Lance would lead them to Super Bowl last year. Take the L and shut up
They also forget that the picks the 49ers gave up were all low 1st Rounders. It was a swing and a miss, but more than made up for if their 7th round pick turns out to be a solid starter.
trading up to top three is not a swing and miss. trading up for tim tebow, brock osweiler, or john football are swings and misses
Does anyone else have absolutely no clue why nick is SO angry about this? 😂😂😂
Cause Nick loves white knighting for black athletes , bro a whole chiefs fan he cares way too much 😂
Bc they're labeling a guy a bust who hasn't been given a fair shot and Kyle's development process is bad
He's a Niners fan to an extent (picked them over the eagles last year). and I think that he bought into the Shanahan boy genius hype and thought if shanahan thinks it's worth trading 3 first round picks when your team is in win NOW mode, the guy they drafted should be amazing
Umm because he's a sports fan? You sound like someone's wife. Usually when guys get together and start talking about sports someone is going to raise their voice. people get passionate about sports. You see this alot on debate shows no matter what the topic is, on top of that they are trying to win a debate.
@@TrueAnakinSkywalkerthat whole part!!! All of what you said.. people can't understand that. Yet they debate any and everyone in the comments.. then get mad at the people on the screen at the same time
I think the *actual* problem is that 49ers have 3 QBs that they'd ideally like to keep but they can't.
Lance played well in the 2nd pre-season game, better than Darnold imo.
I still think Lance *could* be a great QB but he needs reps, lots of them and SF would rather focus on Purdy which makes sense because of how well he played last year.
Darnold is the logical back-up, having 2 rookie-ish QBs is a bad place to be, if anything happens to Purdy, Darnold can step in.
If Lance was #2 he'd need to step in and develop, Darnold can just slot in and play the position.
I don't think this means that Lance is bad or that the 49ers process stinks, it just means that Lance still needs a lot of development, SF would rather use that development on Purdy.
Not even close. Darnold was spinning darts. Trey Lance played just like Trey Lance until the really bad defenders went into a soft prevent. Then he made some good plays in a row for the first time in three years and the Treybois start shooting their loads all over the walls like they have been proven correct, lololol.
@@mitch_the_-itch ok buddy relax.
@@Kieran0 Admitting youre wrong takes a big man, thanks for admitting you were wrong in so few words.
@@Kieran0So trey lance played well against 3rd string won’t even make the roster guys? Wow .. make him the starter!
Why would they want to keep Lance? Dude costs SO much money in cap. They want to dump him ASAP.
Trey Lance is a bust?
so far yes but he can turn it around if he gets traded
@@MarvyG23turn it around? who's gonna trade for a QB thats played like 2 games in 3 years?
Is it a bust if he never got to play ?
Lance is young and still has time to gain that experience he lacks that Purdy and Darnold have. I see the talent, but a lot of what Lance needs only comes with time. It doesn't matter what Nick thinks, the Niners problem is a good one to have in my opinion.
Bingo.
Greg made a good point. This is John Lynch betting the house on Kyle Shanahan. I'll remind 49ers fans that they are on their 3rd DC in 4 years. That's risky especially when they rely on that DC since Shanahan is not a defensive mind. You're banking on lightning striking twice. It wouldn't surprise me if their defense regresses. If that happens, that means the QB is going to need to carry the team sometimes. Are Purdy or Darnold the kind of talents to do that or are they game managers who need great support?
Well you mean lightning striking 3 times because Sala was DC before Meco. And the players can make an average DC look good. I do not worry about the defense at all. I worry about the o-line not holding up and getting our QB killed again.
I just watched 8 minutes of Broussard not understanding English or the point. That was a journey 😂
“Can’t get over it if you don’t get a chance to play”
Kevin Wildes next words: “Cowboys next” 👀
Here’s a good analogy, should the patriots have stuck with Bledsow after he got hurt and Brady played well. They had just signed him to a monster contract and invested a bunch in him but they gave it up for the player that played better. Purdy played better than Lance so they should cut losses and go with Purdy.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO! LANCE PLAYED IN 4 GAMES lol the fact that darnold is the back is just terrible. A 5 year starter who saw ghost on the field with 55 career INTs!? But lance gets 100 pass attempts in the NFL and that's the reason why they should move on?! BP better be elite cause shanahan is on the hot seat and guess what he won't have a top 5 Defense to bail out his mediocre offense
Drew Bledsoe was 29 and we knew exactly who he was.
Hey Genius, this isn't about Lance over Purdy. This is about Darnold being our backup over Lance. I think Purdy is our guy without a doubt. But if anything happens to Purdy we should 1000% be putting Lance out there. Not Sam Darnold who has had YEARS to show everyone he is not a starter.
@@Moskoe83What’s the point of keeping Lance, since he hasn’t been proven to be bad yet when his rookie deal is up he will be asking for big money so the smartest option is to trade him while he’s unproven and might still have value
@@clevbrowns6 Trade him for what lol. And who wants him
Nick : "You think Sam Darnold is good now?"
Me : "He was certainly better than Trey Lance last season when he went 4-2 and almost led Carolina to an unlikely Playoff berth"
Honestly it’s hard to say who’s better without a real sample size. We have no idea what Lance is.
In one of those games he was 5/15 for 43 yards 2 picks and a fumble and they won 10-7 but you got it
He threw 7 TDs in 6 games. He didn't "lead" them to anything. He was along for the ride. In that 6th start he went a cool 5/15 for 43yds 0tds 2ints and got the win lmao
Lance had the opportunity and then his leg snapped in half so they found the player they were looking for the whole time. This isnt confusing
For the last time, this has nothing to do with Purdy at all, Lance is better then Darnold this is a fact. You give up Micah Parsons someone who could have help you out on defense for Lance and then give up on him one year later and he can't even be the backup. You're process as a team is messed up and is on Browns level of badness lol.
@@Spidervenom23Lance has shown nothing to indicate he is better than Darnold.
@@willandizzlehe’s been better than Darnold in almost every practice & outside of the deep pass to Ronnie Bell against the raiders, Darnold throws to 1 side of the field while stagnating the offense
@@Spidervenom23To be fair, INJURIES is a concern. 3 injuries in 4 games didn't help Trey Lance's cause.
@@diabeetus68Darnold has looked good for stretches of his career. I have never seen trey lance look good. He’s not as athletic as Sam, clearly doesn’t see the field well.
It’s crazy ! Broussard is crazy ! Imagine how much better 49ers could’ve been !
Better with who? Do you not understand why the Niners wanted a QB to begin with? Had they not traded up and missed on a QB, then what? Do you realize that Purdy might be the best QB that was taken in last years draft? The Niners knew the QB class was not good before last year. It was wide spread all over the place during the draft the year prior. So they either sign Jimmy to another long term deal, or they take a risk on a QB that was highly rated by every draft person in the NFL and being touted by even Nick the talking head.
Trey only had 1 year college playing experience, in a small college, small league, with weak competition, and Niners mortgaged their future to draft him, that was the the dumbest draft in the history.
It's up there but the harshall walker trade is the worst
😂
Nah the dumbest draft was 2017 when they passed on Mahomes for Solomon Thomas, and then selected Beathard in the 3rd.🤷♂️🤷♂️
How exactly did they “mortgage their future”? All of the picks they gave up for him are already used. It was Micah Parsons, Cole Strange, Channing Tindall, and Bryan Bresee.
This isn’t a situation where years down the road they will still have no draft picks. So unless you believe they’re already collapsed as a team then their future is in the same place it was.
And played 1 game during the vivid year dude basically ain’t played in 4 years
Lance is gonna get traded
Three first round picks were too expensive. No one can objectively defend that decision.
I wanna know who is laughing behind the scenes lol
you can't blame the process in getting Lance, and then ignore the process of getting Purdy with the LAST PICK IN THE NFL DRAFT lol.
All luck with Purdy
@@shredacademy6170 nope. Cope
@@binary If they knew he was "this good" why not draft him sooner in case someone else saw what you did?
@@dantetines2528 they didn't know he was "this good"... That's not how the draft works. They scouted him and saw he was a good fit for their system and saw what other trans were not able to see
Lol Nick has a point. You trade up, give up multiple first round picks, for Lance. You basically guarantee him the starting job year 2, before he gets hurt. Then in year 3, you realize he’s not even good considering he couldn’t beat out Darnold.
What is that process lmao?
What part of that DIDN’T make sense? They traded up for a guy who turned out to not be NFL ready so they sat him, he still wasn’t ready so they sat him and at this point he’s not even good enough to be the backup. What part of any evaluation process would say “well I guess we just start him”?
If they’re seeing him in practice not ready, you think they should just throw him into the game anyway because you gave up a lot for him? That’s just doubling down on a bad decision. What happened to Nick’s favorite economic term? Sunken cost?
lol well said... some people just don't get it.. Nick just loves listening to himself sound stupid
@@rickyrobby8133Because for whatever reason, the 49ers believed he was ready to start last season above Jimmy, who at least helped them to a Super Bowl. But now he’s not even better than Sam Darnold.
All y’all in the comments saying “Why is Nick so upset?” is because y’all are looking at it from a small perspective and not overall management of a team. You traded 3 picks that could’ve gotten you players like Micah etc. that could’ve helped you build a team..to draft a player that you knew was going to be a project from the start, and after essentially 4 starts over two seasons, you give up on him because of what happened with Purdy to which if what happened last year was simply a one time thing, you essentially set your team back by letting three picks go to get ‘em.
That hidden treasure line was beautiful 😂😂😂😂
How good of an evaluator is Shanahan if he compared Darnold to Young snd then completely blew it on Lance...Nick is definitely right
Shanahan didn't draft Lance. And rumors are he never wanted to
@@blackanimelover18 He didn't draft lot of those guys lol. That argument makes zero sense when the organization spent many resources to make it work. Nick's point is, you can't even say the guy is good enough to be the back up, when you know Sam isn't? It's like Kyle is trying to just dump on Lance before he has any real shot at proving himself.
Shanahan didn’t draft Lance, and what he said was, Steve Young had a poor start to his career and wasn’t even great right away in SF, but eventually revived his career. So why can’t Darnold do the same thing?
He didn’t say that Darnold is as good as Steve Young, he didn’t even say he reminded him of Steve Young. He said they could have similar arcs.
@@cruxe2372 What YOU are saying actually doesn’t make sense. It’s fallacy, you don’t try to double down when you fail even if you spend a lot. You move on to the next thing. And what do you mean by “when you know Sam isn’t”? Cleary they think he’s good enough to be the backup. You think they’re deliberately putting Darnold in place because they don’t like Trey?
Also, you clearly weren’t reading this thread. He didn’t say Shanahan isn’t using Lance because he didn’t draft him. The top comment claims that Shanahan can’t evaluate talent or he wouldn’t have drafted Lance in the first place.
It took Steve Young the best team ever assembled to win ONE ring. That was the very team that caused teh NFL to implement a salary cap for gods sake. Young wasnt that good. We shoulda kept Joe we would have 2-3 more rings. Notice he didnt compare him to Joe, lol. Shanny is a better evaluator then you are, lol. We dont even know who made the ultimate decision yet simpletons are sure they know better..
Nick is being a hater
They missed on the pick. It happens. You can’t sit back and dwell on a mistake. You do what’s best and move on. Can’t get feelings involved
Nick thinks he's the only person in the room with a valid point of view - and its effing massively annoying. So butthurt Trey Lance isnt the superstar he was so invested into him being - mentally
Never thought I'd agree with Nick Wright on something but as a 49er fan here I am...
well, he's wrong.
He quickly skips over the most important part. Purdy is better than Lance, by a lot. It doesnt matter how it happened.
@@mitch_the_-itch bingo.
This isn't about Purdy, this is about how you gave up so much to get Trey Lance then bail on him after about 6 games for a guy who after 5 SEASONS still hasn't shown you a thing other than being god awful and yet there is zero accountability on the part of the coach and management.
Clearly their evaluation system is broken.
@@mitch_the_-itch
@@mitch_the_-itchIt was never about Purdy. What matter is the assets spent on Lance and not giving him enough games to see what he is.
That’s what Nick is saying. Purdy might bail out the front office, but this is a pretty big blunder and is indicative of a broken process.
This is where Broussard annoys me, ignoring the big picture. Nick and Greg are 1000% right. For what the 49ers gave up already knowing what Trey Lance was as a player, a talented but raw prospect, this is VERY bad for the organization. They failed Trey and their fan base for this embarrassment. They better win the Super Bowl this year or there will be uncomfortable conversations to be had
they arent 1000% right lol. of course its bad that they wasted all those picks for a bad QB. but nick drives me nuts how he keeps saying they never gave him a chance. they dont only see him in games. they have seen him in hundreds of practices by now. which means he has had HUNDREDS of chances to show a flash of something that makes them want to see more. he obviously hasnt done it.
Nick is the one who has CONSTANTLY SAID you don’t double down on a missed pick you get off it and move on. Now that he wanted a guy to work it’s “gotta stick with it.”
He isn’t even consistent on his own GMing thought process, and you’re praising him for it,
In what world did they “fail Trey Lance”? If he can’t beat out Sam Darnold, what could the 49ers do about it? He’s thrown thousands of passes for them at this point, clearly they don’t think he’s even backup QB material on their organization right now. You’re talking with emotion, you’re not actually thinking and certainly not being objective.
What? He is the only dude with his head outta his arse. You millennials were born the most annoying generation that has ever existed. You dont get to be annoyed....
i love how much fun wildes has listening to nick rant lolol
Why does Nick think he's always right
Im starting to think brou doesn't like Trey Lance or something. Nick is entirely right about this. For everything that the 49ers gave up to get Lance then to pretty much completely give up on him like this shows confusion in the front office.
Nick want Niners to can season
@@coutryboy9123 They're doing a good job of that
It makes sense to give up on Lamce when you have Purdy , that makes the situation unique. If Purdy would have came o a stunk it up the decision would be easy
@@jonnyvelocity ?explain
How do you figure? Trey is not ready to play. It has been seen by the world. Darnold is an experienced QB that has picked up this offense. It makes total sense to have him as the back up to Purdy. Trey is still under contract so now he can run the practice team and learn.
His confidence issues were on display for all to witness. That headband hiding his balding was more than enough evidence for me to bet against him.
Trey Lance's confidence is SHOT.
3:28 lmaooo
Wow! Sam catching all kinds of stuff today from everyone. The dude played for 2 horrible coaches and 2 very very bad teams. Hope he can improve with the 49ers. Lance is a work in progress that the 49ers underestimated how much of a work in progress he actually is. Kyle’s Super Bowl built team can’t wait for a kid in training wheels. They found Brock and he doesn’t need the same amount of handholding.
Trey Truthers like Wright and Cohn have totally driven 49ers to a point where their done with Lance... and im with them... cut Lance already. The Jets maybe whiffed on Wilson now they got Rodgers... this thing happens sometimes 1st rounders don't work out.
Do you hear about Zach battling for the number Two? Even though he’s put awful tape out there for several years.
You sound terminally online.
Nick's take is the objective take of anyone who has no emotional attachment to the Niners and can accurately point out their miserable track record at QB. Why would anyone trust them?
@@CJStew06but the people making decisions ARE the ones with attachment to the Niners. They have to hear fans whine about Trey not getting a fair shot everyday. Are they supposed to just start him to make them feel better?
@@CJStew06exactly dork... I care about the 49ers... I don't care about Trey Lance ... 49ers fans are tired of the Trey Truthers who can't see Purdy beat him out for QB1 already... and secondly and most importantly... Nick Wright is so in the can for Black QBs he can't see passed anything else... thats a fact look it up.
As a dolphins fan all I can say is that is crazy
Dont even
@@LuisCastro-rb3mq don't even what?
That’s the thing, Sam didn’t look CLEARLY better in practice from all reports!
It was fairly even!
But it’s over so now Kyle has no excuses bc he FINALLY chose a QB (and QB2)!
Now deliver or he needs to be fired!
I’m gonna say something very unpopular here. Kyle has handled this situation as best as he possibly could and this is an unusual situation. Here’s what he did:
1. Moved up in the draft for a potential franchise QB with a ready made roster.
2. Made sure not to waste a year they were SB Contenders and had Lance sit a year behind Jimmy G (like we’ve seen rookie QBs do on competing teams).
3. Made Lance the unquestioned starter in 2022 and handed the team over to him.
Event #1: Lance gets hurt in the second game.
4. Maximizes the Super Bowl window by trading for McCaffrey.
5. Jimmy G plays very well, and then gets hurt.
Event #2: Purdy goes 7-0, operates the offense better than Lance and as well as Jimmy G, leads them to the NFC Championship, with a 116 passer rating in his starts and they become the highest scoring team in the league during his starts before he gets injured.
5. Kyle starts the player who ran his system best giving them the best chance to win a SB. Yes, I know Purdy isn’t necessarily as good as the stats are saying but the stats would say he’s great, which he’s not. The fact is, he did the best job running the offense and was pretty solid.
6. Signs a potential backup that the league is out on in case of injuries which inevitably happen with this team.
7. Does not fall into the sunk cost fallacy trap just because they gave up 3 picks for him. Starting Lance will not bring those picks back.
The reason Lance hasn’t gotten his chance is because he was injured and Purdy played well enough for them to get as far as they did the year before. Not because of mismanagement. If these unlikely events do not happen, Trey Lance has had a full year starting and we’ve gotten to see where he is. You could argue they missed on the Lance pick, but we don’t know that yet, plus teams miss in high picks all the time, it wouldn’t be unusual, and we know there were rumblings that Shannahan didn’t even want Trey, he wanted Mac Jones and was overruled.
Also everyone saying: they could’ve taken Parsons, except they wouldn’t have because we know they were looking for a QB that year.
All I can say is if they don't at least make the Superbowl this year (they don't need to win it) then KS and Lynch should be fired. Because this will go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history and they have compounded their mistake by not developing Trey Lance and misusing him.
No. No. No. THEY NEED TO WIN IT. No NFL TEAM wants to go to the Superbowl to only lose. You go to Superbowls to win them.
There is a reason San Francisco 49ers have 5 Superbowls.
But Lynch and Shanahan need to be fired if they don't win a Superbowl by 2026.
KS has one f the best records in the NFL and youre saying to fire him off one bad trade? The intelligence is nearly none with you
Not even making the playoffs
I see this really blowing up in Niners face. I hope Purdy can repeat what he did last year, but I'm concerned he'll regress this year once the playbook is out on him.
There isn’t really a playbook on Purdy. Hes not a one trick pony. He just goes thru his reads, gets the ball out quickly and efficiently. And let’s cmc, deebo, kittle and aiyuk YAC defenses to death. And with shanahan at the helm, there’s no real stopping it outside of injury
The niners went to a Super Bowl and the championship game 3 out of the last 4 years how have the niners suffered 🤣🤣🤣
To be honest this puts Kyle on the clock, he’s got two years to win a Super Bowl if I’m the owner after trading all those assets for Lance.
Nick has one thing majorly wrong. They didn’t trade 2 firsts (and a swap) and a 3rd for Lance. They traded and moved up to #3 to draft a QB. They settled on Lance, he wasn’t what they originally moved up for. They traded up and then went okay who are we getting? And apparently forgot at the time rumors were coming out hard Kyle and front office were split on who to pick and that Kyle was forced to take Lance for upside and potential. Lance wasn’t even being talked about in the first or second round until 49ers moved up and nobody knew who they were taking. Even Mac Jones stock went from late first or 2nd rounder to he might get picked at 3.
Yes 49ers made s dumb move trading up with no plan, but to be fair they never should have to begin with and somehow got lucky it didn’t cost them anything but some ridicule.
What are you basing the opinion that it wasn't for Lance?
Kyle said that the media made up the Mac Jones narrative and he and Lynch just let the media run with it. He said that they made the move specifically for Trey. I can tag you in the press conference clip if need be
@@chaddon7685 pretty much every media and insider report about the 49ers during the time they moved up to #3.
@@kingmeup21idk they were pretty adamant that this was the perfect guy for their system when he was first drafted
@@GARBO96 do you expect them to come out and publicly say “yeah we moved up, weren’t sure who we wanted but decided Lance was a good shot to take” or anything along those lines? Of course they supported him they HAD to. Every team does it. You know how many guys a team picks that was their 5th, 17th, or 50th on their board and is are like “yay we always wanted you of course!” It’s just basic practice.
I'm with Nick on this one
Trey doesnt even know what a hot read is...
Trey doesnt have time for football
Trey too slow.
Trey keeps motioning the wrong guy.
@@jamesnguyen7069u hatin crazy he just needs reps, clearly didn’t watch the broncos preseason game,
Couldn't wait for this segment when I saw the news earlier!
I thought Nick was going to cry over this…
I think Nick is too caught up in SF trading the picks for Lance. If you look at it in a big picture and say that they spent 3 FRPs and the very last pick of the draft and ended up with, what appears to be, their QB who they believe is a good player and can take the team to a SB, and also ended up with Lance, who probably won’t pan out, then it is still a good move by San Fran.
If the guy you get with the last pick in the draft beats out the guy you trade 3 picks in any round for, then your evaluation process is extremely flawed.
@@dannyheel1 Sure, I see what you’re saying. But couldn’t you also make the argument that if the QB you take with the literal last pick in the draft is good enough for you to consider him your franchise guy, and he can beat out the FRP then you are pretty darn good at evaluating that talent? They hit on one pick and whiffed on the other.
As a niners fan I’m all for it
Not much of a fan
As a casual.
Brew's argument that sucks is the fact that no reports have come out saying Darnold is out playing Lance. I'd rather have the guy we don't know then the guy we know sucks
Nick is right. Did they see the last game with Trey.
The league has film on Purdy so he can't be expected to replicate last year but they'll do well this season...the problem is no matter what they'll fall short of the finish line because they don't have their guy yet
If Trey is actually good, then someone needs to get scrutinized for poorly evaluating him in practice. If he actually stinks which seems to be what the 49ers believe, then someone in that organization needs to get scrutinized for putting so much capital into drafting him. Also how was Trey good enough to be the starter last year but now all of a sudden, is the 3rd stringer. Someone’s evaluation skills on that team isn’t very good
Because they found better. It's not that hard to understand.
Why are you so bent out of shape for a bad pick. He was worth a shot to them. They realized they made a mistake. They did well finding Purdy, just like when Shanahan liked cousins in Washington. It’s not exact science in NFL draft. Darnald was a high pick too. The jets chose a AB in the same draft that hasn’t worked. Who cares about a draft pick??? You took a shot and then made up for the mistake with other late picks. Kudos to the 49ers. Don’t pretend someone is something they aren’t. Move on and don’t stall the team.
And furthermore, where was all this uproar when Zach Wilson was being treated the exact same way? Zach was the 2nd overall pick, and was actually winning games, but nobody threw a fit when suddenly 50 year old Joe Flacco is named a starter over him? Nobody was crying that Wilson wasnt getting a fair shot or that it was a travesty on behalf of the Jets to not stick with Wilson, and it's honestly as petty as Lance is more "likeable" than Wilson. Its the same exact situations exept Wilson is a better qb than Lance but being treated even worse
The media crapped on Wilson so bad for that little statement he made . It was overkill
Nines always IMPRESS 😂
Picks are in the past. get over it.
As a diehard niners fan, I couldn't agree more with nick he hit it right on the head. Laughable how this organization has handled trey's career
There has been alot of unforeseen circumstances that occurred. Main one , knowone saw Brock coming..
@@soda8736 doesnt matter he should at lease be second string, in line to get a shot when it's his turn/ if brock gets injured
@@soda8736 *least (typo)
Can't stand Brou at times like these. Especially with that look he gives.
Trey Lance 30 for 30 will be a great watch
more like a waste of your true potential/brain cells
They’re going to regret letting trey walk if they do. He’s going to go to a team and do really good or at least way above average
I do not think they let him walk. That is all media speculation at this point. He is still under contract with the team.
He didn't get beat out by Sam Darnold. Trey played better in offseason, trained better in offseason. This is a nfl-politics move. WHY ARE YOU GUYS saying Sam Darnold won against Trey Lance? HE GOT CHOSEN, but he didn't play better.
Hindsight is 20/20 Nick.
49’ers are treating the situation correctly. The worst thing would be to do as Nick suggests, especially if Trey isn’t living up to all they’ve given up to draft him. Got to learn to let go.
For the 1st & probably ONLY time in my life, I’m in full agreement with Nick Wright
They swung hard and missed, but QB eval is not a science.
Best sports debate show on TV/ RUclips
Why does everyone in American sports media have to yell all the time?
Sports media is Going to be a circus. sam is not better then trey. The only reason they are moving on from trey is because they cant afford to keep them alll and Trey was making over9mil. The calf is 15 million throughout all quarterbacks they were not going to have enough to keep the players around trade. Go look up larry Krueger analysis on what really happened. It all makes sense. Trey will get traded before season start
I like Brou, but his take on this is so wrong 😑!!!
That cliff analogy 😂😂... Pretty on par with the pet gator analogy he mad long time ago.. Nick is the GOAT
One of those rare times I think Nick is actually the voice of reason. I dont even understand Brou's point.
If they win, nothing else matters? Im not entirely sure if that is his point, but let us follow that logic for a moment. If you used that logic, and they dont win, then every move leading up to it would matter. And if that was the case, their worst move in the recent past would be the Trey Lance deal and would be a large factor into why they didnt win. But Brou also said that if they didnt win, they cant blame the Trey Lance deal. Seems like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.