I pick up the 7A super cheap without reading anything about it. It was my first manual lens and it did take me a while to learn how to use it properly but now I love it. Good video!
Nice comparison ! I bought the 7artisans 0.95 a week ago and I'm loving it. It is sharper than I expected at 0.95 to 1.2 but also has a lovely glow for portraits, or indeed anywhere you might want to elicit a glow (don't need to buy yourself a ¼ Mist filter) ! I've been using it on a Sony A7r4 and A9 in APSC mode. Next up I'll be trying it out against my Cosina 55/1.2 to decide which to keep. There is another option for those people who either can't or don't want to shoot at 1/8000 - 1/32000, just add the incredibly easy to use Kase Magnetic ND filters to slow the shutter (or any other magnetic).
Great to hear you are enjoying the 7Artisans lens! It is absolutely true that some small optical imperfections do add some nice note to the images! And yes, you can of course use an ND filter so you can easily shoot it in bright sunlight at open aperture! Thanks for pointing out!
@@VocesDeAmoryVida The TTArtisans lens is available now for Fuji. The 7Artisans was made in a limited quantity for Sony & Fuji. The Sony version was released first but I read on Fuji Rumours last month that the Fuji version will be released very soon maybe even this month, May/June?
Not sure if you'll see this - but what do these lenses look like when you shoot them in full frame mode? Is the pure black vignetting really bad, or just a bit at the corners? thanks!
@@danielcolvin1611 Hi Daniel. It's pure black outside the APSC circle. If you're using a high MP camera then I'd recommend it if switching to APSC in camera but not for FF use.
Thanks! 🙏 Yes, I try to show the lenses or cameras "in action" whenever possible. I also use whatever I review for some time for my everyday photography - leisure, travel, candids etc., apart from shooting it during the making of the video. So there are always several photos not shown in the reviews because they're just intended for family/friends and/or it would be just too much. Only with some of the old analog cameras, I sometimes just shoot 1-2 rolls to test them out and do a review.
Thank you for the review. I own, and like, the TTArtisan lens. Regarding image quality comparison, I would give low F-stop performance greater weighting since the primary reason to buy a lens like this is to get a wider aperture than is possible with a kit-zoom or one of the low cost 50mm primes.
Great vid and comparison. I’ve been rocking the TTartisan 50mm F1.2 for the past year on my Fuji XS10. I love everything about it. The 7artisan is no slouch at all, but in comparison in your video, I’m glad I chose the TTartisan. I have their 35 and 23 as well.
Nice video! I recently picked up the TTartisans for a good price, around 7000 yen or 70 USD. It was my first cheap Chinese full manual lens and I have been having so much fun with it. I found out about the 7artisans 0.95 and have been considering selling my TTartisans and switching over but I think I'll stick with my TTartisans after watching this video. I kinda still prefer the misty dreamy character of the 7artisans but maybe I'll pick it up in the future if I can find a good deal
Both lenses are good and give great results! But yes, if you have the TT Artisan already, you can just look and wait for a great deal. Also check out my review about the 7Artisans 35/0.95 if you haven't done so. The optics of the 35 are in my opinion a bit better than the 50. (Same is true for the TT Artisan 35/1.4 vs. 50/1.2 btw.)
Thanks for sharing -- very helpful. To keep the shutter speed up in daylight: use an ND-filter. Often even just a polarizer would help. [I can of course understand that you cannot use a filter in a lens review, but in practical usage they do help.]
Thanks for your feedback! Yes, you are right, an ND filter can help a lot in bright sunlight when shooting such an ultra fast lens at open aperture. I never carry one because the Fuji bodies go to 1/32,000 second with electronic shutter and that eliminates the problem of over exposure. Some say that bokeh can be affected by electronic shutters though. I am running these speeds rarely and I didn’t see a bad bokeh, but maybe that’s because I didn’t do a direct comparison with an ND filter shot and mechanical shutter in such a situation yet!
Excellent video. Thank you. Although I can't help but think that a more fair comparison would have been between the 7 Artisan 50mm f/1.1 and the TT Artisan 50mm f/1.2. Between those two I think the TT Artisan would have come out the very clear winner.
Thanks for your feedback! The 7Artisans 50/1.1 is made for Leica M, so it is a full-frame lens and it is much heavier and also more expensive than needed for the small APS-C sensor. I would recommend it mainly if you’re shooting Leica M or a full-frame mirrored camera.
I'm a bit late to the party, but here are some additional observations. First thanks for this great comparison. Very nicely done! I have used both of these lenses on a Fujifilm body, and got slightly different results. Wide open, the TTArtisan is not only sharper, but has greater contrast and less fringing, which is certainly understandable. I found the creamy look of the 7Artisans to be appealing, but the lack of detail just didn't work for me. The TTArtisan, while not exhibiting as much of that dreamy quality, held details and contrast better at its maximum f/1.2. At f/1.4, the TTArtisan was already quite sharp, and showed much more detail than the 7Artisan at the same f/stop. By f/4 and beyond, there's very little between them, providing you focus at working aperture. I found the TTArtisan to have more focus shift when stopping down than the 7Artisans, though both lenses exhibit this to some degree, especially with closer subjects. To me, the significant advantages of the TTA over the 7A are its better contrast and the fact that it exhibits noticably less barrel distortion. Considering the price difference, the size and weight difference, and the fact that the 7A is just a bit too foggy until stopped down to f/2, I chose to keep the TTA. Both are really fun lenses, but to me, the real winner was the TTA. It's hard to believe a lens that costs so little can perform so well.
I think the sharpness when wide open is the key factor for me to pick the TTartisans f1.2. If you buy a lens with these wide apertures, it is for using it mainly wide open... I don't care that the 7artisans is slightly better at f4 or higher. And if you add the purple fringing and double price of the 7artisans, for me it is a no brainer.
Both are great lenses for the price. Since the difference between f0.95 and f1.2 is slightly less than a half a stop, I cannot justify the additional price, weight, and bulk of the 0.95.
Hi oc2phish07. I am on the of getting a TTA50/1.2 in an attempt to see whether MF lenses suits me. After some months of use, do you see yourself still enjoying it with its tighter focal length that it's almost always in your bag? I'm contemplating between this and the 7Artisans 35/0.95 but I don't want it to eventually gather dust over time realizing that it's tedious and annoying to use (as a person used to AF lenses. Furthermore, quite a number had already sold their copies in the 2nd hand market probably because of the same reasons I mentioned). So, I just want to be sure coming from a person who owns the lens for some time and with the same body as mine (XT3). My current line up of XF lenses are: 16/1.4, 27/2.8ii, 35/2.0, 50/2.0. Btw, talking about the TTA's 50mm FL, the XF 50/2.0 I own is my least used lense.
Modern lenses dont stop at infinity. This is a design feature. It is to compensate for both temperature variation, and Spectrum variations for different types of film. There may be additional reasoning in the digital realm that Im unaware of.
I agree for autofocus lenses, there introducing a hard stop at infinity doesn't make any sense, and the reasons you mention are valid. For manual focus lenses, it's still just much more convenient if you have a hard stop at infinity. I think even the most modern Leica M lenses also have that feature, for example.
Altes Video, ja ich weiss... Habe mir nun eine XT3 geholt und will was analoges, deswegen hier gelandet. Tolles Video zu den 2 Objektiven! Gruß aus Bonn, anscheinen nach Köln :D Ich nehme erstmal das 50/1.2
I wish you a lot of fun with the TT Artisan! By the way there is a also brand-new TT Artisan 50/0.95 lens as well. I didn't shoot it yet ... I think that the 50/1.2 remains a great alternative anyway!
Great review. I'm a happy TTartisan user. Next I wish I could afford 35mm. I haven't decide should I go with TT artisan 35mm f/1.4 or the 7artisan 35mm f/0.95. 😀
Overall, I think that both 35mm lenses are actually better than the 50mm counterparts. Both the TT Artisan 35 is better than the 50, and the 7Artisans 35 is also better than their 50. The difference in size between the two 35's is also bigger, because the TT Artisan is super small and compact. So it's down to price, size, and if you want the f/0.95 aperture or are okay with "only" f/1.4. Did you see my video where I shoot a portrait with both these 35mm lenses? ruclips.net/video/eeSX2jwC-eM/видео.html
Yes I should give that one a try. The reason I didn't get it yet is that I use one of my legacy 50mm macro lenses all the time and didn't feel the need to upgrade. But maybe a comparison would be a good idea. Now that I think of it!
You're right, my lens reviews are much less technical than several others, and also I do not cater for the needs of video (like focus breathing). So I'd like to point you to some other more technical reviews that maybe will help you out with all your questions, like Christopher Frost, he did videos on both these lenses as well on RUclips!
Thx for this nice video, I have a 25mm 1.8 7artisans lens that I purchased a year ago for just 60$, and I am still amazed at what kind of shots I was able to make using this lens, for a price that's next to nothing. Anyway, I changed my main camera and decided to acquire a whole range of Chinese manual lenses, and could not decide between these two brands...so your video definitely helped I'm going for both brands, two lenses from each brand. And I wish you many, many more subs you most certainly deserve it. Best of luck.
Thanks Igor for your feedback! I hope you have a lot of fun with your camera and lenses! And yes it’s much easier to build a whole selection of lenses from these emerging Chinese brands because they are surprising affordable!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I didn't observe oily aperture blades yet with my copy of this lens, but I am not using my 50's so often, as for everyday shooting I use my shorter focal lengths.
Hello Tom, I didn't understand you when talking about the shutter. Just a hint - use several shots - the one with these old people and covid masks is "not best"
@@tomscameras I don't understand why this is a "fast" lens and why the electronic shutter option would be better. Wouldn't a ND filter not be the better solution?
@@dakrisi3520 Yes, the ND filter also works! The electronic shutter option on the Fuji cameras has the advantage that you don’t need to handle with the ND filter, for example when the lighting changes suddenly ... the camera can just adjust the speed automatically all the time and you don’t need to care for anything and can concentrate on your subject.
Appreciate the review, but really disagree. The bokeh for the 7artisans looks weird and the sharpness counts for wide open, why would you buy these lenses otherwise?
Yes, if you're looking for more optical perfection, than you might want to shop for other lenses as well. It's all down to personal taste and preference!
Nice video! I see no reason to go for the 7arts. lens honestly. Wide open it's just too soft and the bokeh is too busy, doesn't look good. Then you stop down, or you can just save some money and get the TTart. which looks fine even wide open. From my pov I prefer all aspects of the TTartisan 50 :)
thanks for taking the time to put this comparison together. i totally agree with your verdict. while the extra 1/3 of a stop with 7artisans and the more rounded bokeh is nice, it isn't enough to justify the extra cost/weight/etc compared to what you get with the ttartisan. for me, the 7artisans would have to be quite a bit better wide open in order for me to justify the price difference and it just isn't. maybe if the ever make a mk2 version of this lens they'll make that happen. i'd love to have the entire firefly trio from 7artisans, but for now the ttartisan will fill the 50mm position. now to see what the 7artisans 25/0.95 can do =-) also, i really enjoy tha fact that the ttartisan 50/1.2 and the 7artisans 35/0.95 share a 52mm filter thread, as i like to use a variable ND filter to mitigate the need of the electronic shutter in the bright florida sun.
Thanks for your feedback! I find the 7Artisans 25/0.95 pretty bulky, I'd rather have an excellent 23/1.4 or maybe 23/1.2. That's why I haven't tried it yet, but there surely is a vacancy at this focal length in my lens setup :)
@@tomscameras, i agree. i was surprised by how large the 7artisans 25/0.95 is. here's hoping ttartisans will offer something out in that focal length that is more compact.
Many thanks for your information! I'm not sure, maybe even slightly different versions do exist by now. Or maybe that's because they have different production runs or something. I know for example that my 17mm f/1.4 has a different typeface than some others, so there is a very obvious difference. In the end, surely it doesn't matter too much! These are both fine lenses and I'm happy that we get these choices!
@@tomscameras I really appreciated seeing these two side by side. I believe I made the right choice for myself but I can see how the 7A might appeal to others. Thanks again!
Yes, an ND filter is a great substitute if your camera doesn't offer those super-fast speeds. Or also if you prefer to shoot at longer shutter times and still with open aperture, maybe for certain artistic / creative reasons!
I haven't shot any of the 7Artisans or TT Artisan lenses on MFT actually. So I can't comment on how good they do on MFT bodies. I do know several vintage lenses have some issues when shot wide open on MFT cameras because they tend to have a thick glass filter stack on top of the sensor.
I did a direct comparison between the TT Artisan 50/1.2 and 7Artisans 35/0.95 here. I think the difference in bokeh is very visible. Both are great lenses! But see for yourself: ruclips.net/video/eeSX2jwC-eM/видео.html
It’s always best to focus at open aperture. Because only they you can clearly see what you’re focusing at. If you stop down to f/8 and then focus, it looks like everything is in focus in the viewfinder - it’s confusing to the eye and easy to miss the exact focus. Now you have click stops and then it is super easy: first focus at open aperture. Then stop down to e.g. f/4. It‘s e.g. 5 clicks. You can do that without taking your eye off the viewfinder. Just count the five clicks and you know you’re at f/4. Take the shot and you’re done!
Look at the comparions photos in this video, there are a few that were taken with both the 50/1.2 and the 50/0.95, so you can judge for yourself if the difference in bokeh is worth it for you or not!
@@tomscameras thanks, but what is your opinion? Do you think its worthy the extra Money? I read somewherer a review that sais it was difficult to spot any difference in real situations e... Im talking about portrait... Moreover, what do you think Will give you the best bockeh, the 85, f1.4, or this ttartisan f1.2?
Well you see my opinion about this in the video! In the end, I kept the 50/1.2 for myself ... A 85/1.4 lens will give even softer background blur than that; but also a different field of view.
Try a ND filter. It will uniformly darken the light that reaches the camera lens and thus you'll be able to shoot at a longer time. What you'll want is a ND 0.6 or ND 0.8 filter. ND 0.6 means you're getting 2 stops less light and ND 0.8 will get you about 3 stops. I'd get an ND 0.8 for a 0.95 lens when your camera tops out at 1/4000 of a second.
Hi I just accidentally dropped my 7artisans 50mm f0.95 lens (dropped the lens to the shopping mall ground/floor) and leaving one scratch mark & faded coating. And the lens glass still normal (didn't break) and the video & photo results also seems normal. But when I shook the lens body, I heard some shaking sound/noise, is it ok?
Hey, sorry to hear that your lens dropped! Unfortunately, it can always be that something internally got damaged. It's not a sign of being a bad lens - it's more good luck or bad luck. I think that when you hear some noise, something inside might be broken. Still the lens overall works, but it might be some smaller part inside has broken nontheless. But I am not a camera repair guy so I can't really tell you in more detail, sorry. I would just try to contact 7Artisans directly. Maybe they have an idea or can also tell you about a repair facility for these lenses.
@tomscameras Great review! I saw you preferred the 35/1.4 version of the TT Artisan. I'm a beginner and got the 35 mm to have fun experimenting with more shallow depth of field and bokeh. I really like it but was somewhat disappointed with the size of the bokeh, and realized I need longer focal length in addition to fast aperture. Will this 50/1.2 be a big difference or do I need to look for even longer lenses to get a marked increase in bokeh?
Well 50/1.2, 50/0.95 and 35/0.95 are already sort of the maximum of shallow depth of field that you can get with an aps-c camera. If these still don’t satisfy you, maybe consider a full frame camera. But also keep in mind that ultimate shallow depth of field is not all in photography. 😀
Unfortunately the aperture blades really break the TTArtisan 50mm f1.2 lens. At f1.2 they're fine, but as soon as you stop down, they become an irregular shape that looks like a circular saw blade. This produces very annoying bokeh balls and a less smooth bokeh. It only gets a bit better at f2.8, where they turn into a star shape - still not the smoothest, but less annoying. If the TTArtisan had the 7Artisan's aperture blades, it would've been perfect!
I do see your point - but I also do love the TT Artisan aperture blades exactly because they give those very nice aperture stars when you stop down, and you don't get them with the 7Artisans. So in the end, this again shows there's no definite "better or worse". You have to select the lens that suits your own needs the best! Both are good choices ...
Hi Mr. LeonidasGFX. Curiously, since you find the bokeh rendering of the TTA50/1.2 quite annoying, did you still get it? That's also one of the reasons why I'm quite hesitant to purchase the TTA50/1.2. If not, what did you get instead? Thanks.
Yes, either you have to live with the optical flaws like this 50/0.95 shows ... or, if you demand more quality, then you need to go for a better optical design, but then f/0.95 will be both HUGE and EXPENSIVE in comparison and then you're only using it on few occasions cause it gets cumbersome to carry around ... so maybe f/1.2 or f/1.4 are really the sweet spots overall for a 50mm!
I genuinely don't really understand the appeal of these lenses. I can't argue with the quality of the TTArtisan IQ, but there are just so many vintage lenses, *especially* in the 50mm (hundreds of them) most of which are just plain better... and most of which are far more affordable. I don't get it.
Thanks for your feedback! If you're shooting an APS-C camera, then I actually won't agree with you that vintage lenses are better. I've got a lot of vintage glass which is awesome and I love it. But: While vintage 50mm lenses are abundant, most are f/1.4 or even less fast, and at open aperture they almost universally show less sharpness, contrast, but more color errors than these purpose-built new lenses. And prices? Well I don't see many classic 50mm f/1.4's for 100 Euros or less these days. Maybe 3-4 years ago, but not now anymore ... If you move to super-fast 35mm, vintage lens selection gets more limited already. Take the 1971 Nikkor 35/1.4, again a lens that I deeply love, but I wouldn't want to use that on APS-C. And already that Nikkor today is much more expensive than the current APS-C 35mm manual focus lenses. And fast (f/1.4 or even f/1.8) vintage 22 or 25 mm's are almost impossible to get. If, however, you want to shoot full-frame, it's a completely different story. Still, the modern lenses from TT Artisan keep getting better and better these days, also the coatings are much better.
@@tomscameras I understand your points but I thought we're talking about 50mm lenses. Wider lengths have been more expensive and less common universally, always. I'd have have somewhat agreed some years ago, if these new lenses had been available then at this quality level, but speed isn't everything and that seems to be all that they offer for the most part. I mean they are clearly based on optical design of the past to begin with. Perhaps the rendering is more contrast-oriented than vintage glass overall, but I don't know if that's a good thing in the digital age (despite the trends) - it's easier to add contrast than to remove it. But much more than that, modern ISO performance is ridiculously good these days - 1.2 and 0.95 is hardly needed except for effect and from what I've seen of these (*especially* the 7Artisans) they show *silly* amounts of coma, they fringe at the drop of a hat, and they aren't terribly sharp but for the very center (and barely for the 7Art 0.95) .... they just look a bit "sloppy" to me, for lack of a better word. I'm not saying they are decent for what they are or that they wouldn't be fun to use.... But.... in terms of 50mm range, f1.4, 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 is often plenty of speed, and for separation/OoF rendering *especially* if you go up to (from my experience) much more interesting 55, 57, 58mm rather than 50mm designs. To that end... Hexanon 50/1.7 can be had all day for $30-50 USD. Hexanon 57/1.4 bare more. Pentax M 50/1.7 even less expensive. Takumar 55/1.8 perhaps 30-50 USD. Takumar 50/1.4 (the legend) easilky 60-90USD. Even a Topcor 58/1.8 is around for just over 100USD. Rokkor 50/1.4/1.7 far under 100 The list is endless. Those are just japanese. The list is endless. The argument I've heard against shooting FF glass on APSC is that the intended design of the lens is lost, but for those looking for fidelity and not effect, there's a far more flat and clinical look to be found with fewer problems (from the "middle" of the light path for each lens) shooting 35mm film era lenses on APSC than cheap, modern ASPC-only lenses. For everyone else that wants the "character" of the lens to shine through, then the cheaper, less desirable old glass pieces are good again for those *because* of its "character" and perceived problems that made it less respected at the time. I do think they're getting better, these modern cheap pieces, but honestly they're cheap... they just are at some point in the process. I don't trust the build over time, and I'm dubious about the construction (not to mention manufacture practices) of a lens at those sorts of prices, new, today given material quality and cost. Recycled optical design, etc... It simply cannot be as good. Or at least I don't think so... I'm happy to be wrong though. And I'm *sure* there are occasional exceptions (the TTArtisan 50/1.2 may well be one of them) but overall, I don't think so very often.
^ ^ ^ Also, not that you'll remember or that it matters, but this account is me as well. I forget to switch at least half the time! Hahaha. Cheers, Tom. :)
This comparison is not really valid Tom. You should really be comparing the TT Artisans M 50mm f0.95, a full frame lens which is currently only available in Leica M mount (It can be used on most mirrorless cameras with a mount adapter though), with the 7Artisans 50mm f0.95, which is designed for APS-C...That is a side by side comparison I would really love to see. Then the bokeh of both lenses at f0.95 can be directly compared. The TT Artisans 50mm f0.95 is actually a modern Chinese made copy of the hyper expensive Leica Noctilux...But surprisingly, it's seems to be better optically than the Leica (at least that is what the reviewers that have compared both say). It's also about 100g lighter than the Leica and it costs a tiny fraction of the cost (about £500 vs around £10,000). ruclips.net/video/dztyPVETRbs/видео.html
Hmm, actually I disagree. I would only get the full-frame 50/0.95 if I had a full-frame camera. It's much more expensive and heavy and the sole reason is ... that it's made for the bigger sensor format which you're not using on APS-C anyway. For 50mm the difference in size, cost and weight between the different sensor formats is already substantial, it gets even more extreme for 35mm or wider lenses. That's why I'm so dedicated in reviewing all these exciting new manual-focus lenses from the Chinese manufacturers that are designed for APS-C. Of course, if you're using two systems - full frame and APS-C - then it would make sense to only get that one full-frame lens and an adapter. So I see the point why you're asking for such a comparison! But I don't use a digital full-frame camera currently so that's why I'm also not reviewing these lenses at this point.
@@tomscameras but who bothers with APS-C cameras these days when full frame is so much better...Better in low light, better bokeh and better image quality. I have a Sony A7C, which is why I would only be interested in the full frame TT Artisans 50/0.95, rather than the crop format 7 Artisans version.
@@alfoutdoors9660 Well this review video is about APS-C. Both lenses shown here are only available for APS-C. It is true that full frame is even better in terms of technical image quality! I'm not one of those trying to tell you that that's not true. But if you see it the other way around - APS-C is so good as well today that it doesn't really matter anymore for most photographers. And there are many reasons apart from image quality why photographers might use another camera body or brand than e.g. Sony. I do sometimes also review lenses for Sony. My main digital camera system these days is Fuji X though, like you see in this video.
@@tomscameras APS-C used to have the advantage of the lenses being smaller and much lighter than full frames versions, but not any more...The two lightest AF lenses in the world right now are both full frame lenses...They are the Samyang AF 24mm f2.8 FE, which is under 95g, and the Samyang AF 35mm f2.8 FE which is under 90g!
@@alfoutdoors9660 Well even back in 2013 there were already super-small and good full-frame lenses: I had the Sony "Zeiss" 35/2.8 for a few years and it was exceptional! Again, I'd never argue that full-frame offers more in terms of "ultimate" image quality (like 60+ MP sensors in case anyone cares for that) and also "ultimate" background blur. You have a choice of many different full-frame 35/1.4, but there's maybe only one single APS-C 25/0.95 ... But: Photography is not about number-crunching! For example, I use Fuji X because I just love the handing and the Fuji bodies much more. I bought the original Sony A7R back in 2013 when it was new. Later had an A7 II and A7R II as well. Today, I sometimes still shoot the A7 IV for review purposes. I'm always happy when I can put back that body at the end of a review session and grab my Fuji X-E4. I just enjoy shooting Fuji bodies much, much more. And whether it's APS-C or full-frame, just doesn't matter to me anymore, as the image quality is so good anyway. It's not 2006 anymore ... where you would be longing for every next new camera because the technical differences were really noticeable.
I got the ttartisan and already lost the lenscap 🥲 after 1 day. I have a snap-on now. Anyway, its a very fun lens to use! 😊 the chromatic abb. On 1.2 is pretty hefty though but I guess fixable in post.
Haha yes I dropped my lens cap a lot of times already as well, but didn’t loose it yet :) Sure, the lens is far from perfect at f/1.2 but maybe you’re happy that you didn’t get the Viltrox 33/1.4 then which is the godfather of chromatic aberration! 😅
Best comparison on youtube of these two affordable lenses. The side by side comparisons were super precise in compositions and lighting.
Thank you very much for your feedback! 🙏
Thanks Tom for your review, I have already brought TTArtisan 50mmf1.2.
Thanks for your feedback! Wish you a lot of fun with that lens!
Excllent video, thanks. I watched it AFTER I ordered the TT and breathed a sigh of relief.
Now that’s perfect timing 🤣 I wish you a lot of fun with your new lens!
Great images - very helpful. Apart from Bokeh, I preferred the 50 1.2 every time.
Thanks for your comment. Basically I see it the same way which is why I kept the TT Artisan ...
I pick up the 7A super cheap without reading anything about it. It was my first manual lens and it did take me a while to learn how to use it properly but now I love it. Good video!
Thanks for your feedback! Nice to hear you enjoy the lens!
Nice comparison ! I bought the 7artisans 0.95 a week ago and I'm loving it. It is sharper than I expected at 0.95 to 1.2 but also has a lovely glow for portraits, or indeed anywhere you might want to elicit a glow (don't need to buy yourself a ¼ Mist filter) ! I've been using it on a Sony A7r4 and A9 in APSC mode. Next up I'll be trying it out against my Cosina 55/1.2 to decide which to keep.
There is another option for those people who either can't or don't want to shoot at 1/8000 - 1/32000, just add the incredibly easy to use Kase Magnetic ND filters to slow the shutter (or any other magnetic).
Great to hear you are enjoying the 7Artisans lens! It is absolutely true that some small optical imperfections do add some nice note to the images!
And yes, you can of course use an ND filter so you can easily shoot it in bright sunlight at open aperture! Thanks for pointing out!
Hello, is it also compatible with x-T4? thank you
@@VocesDeAmoryVida The TTArtisans lens is available now for Fuji. The 7Artisans was made in a limited quantity for Sony & Fuji. The Sony version was released first but I read on Fuji Rumours last month that the Fuji version will be released very soon maybe even this month, May/June?
Not sure if you'll see this - but what do these lenses look like when you shoot them in full frame mode? Is the pure black vignetting really bad, or just a bit at the corners? thanks!
@@danielcolvin1611 Hi Daniel. It's pure black outside the APSC circle. If you're using a high MP camera then I'd recommend it if switching to APSC in camera but not for FF use.
What I really like with your videos is that you are shooting them mostly outside.
Thanks! 🙏 Yes, I try to show the lenses or cameras "in action" whenever possible. I also use whatever I review for some time for my everyday photography - leisure, travel, candids etc., apart from shooting it during the making of the video. So there are always several photos not shown in the reviews because they're just intended for family/friends and/or it would be just too much.
Only with some of the old analog cameras, I sometimes just shoot 1-2 rolls to test them out and do a review.
Thank you for the review. I own, and like, the TTArtisan lens.
Regarding image quality comparison, I would give low F-stop performance greater weighting since the primary reason to buy a lens like this is to get a wider aperture than is possible with a kit-zoom or one of the low cost 50mm primes.
Thanks for your feedback. You're of course right that almost everyone gets a lens like that to shoot it at open aperture!
Great vid and comparison. I’ve been rocking the TTartisan 50mm F1.2 for the past year on my Fuji XS10. I love everything about it. The 7artisan is no slouch at all, but in comparison in your video, I’m glad I chose the TTartisan. I have their 35 and 23 as well.
Thanks for your feedback! By the way, I'm shooting the 23/1.4 currently for my next TT Artisan review video!
Nice video! I recently picked up the TTartisans for a good price, around 7000 yen or 70 USD. It was my first cheap Chinese full manual lens and I have been having so much fun with it. I found out about the 7artisans 0.95 and have been considering selling my TTartisans and switching over but I think I'll stick with my TTartisans after watching this video. I kinda still prefer the misty dreamy character of the 7artisans but maybe I'll pick it up in the future if I can find a good deal
Both lenses are good and give great results! But yes, if you have the TT Artisan already, you can just look and wait for a great deal.
Also check out my review about the 7Artisans 35/0.95 if you haven't done so. The optics of the 35 are in my opinion a bit better than the 50. (Same is true for the TT Artisan 35/1.4 vs. 50/1.2 btw.)
Thanks for sharing -- very helpful. To keep the shutter speed up in daylight: use an ND-filter. Often even just a polarizer would help. [I can of course understand that you cannot use a filter in a lens review, but in practical usage they do help.]
Thanks for your feedback! Yes, you are right, an ND filter can help a lot in bright sunlight when shooting such an ultra fast lens at open aperture. I never carry one because the Fuji bodies go to 1/32,000 second with electronic shutter and that eliminates the problem of over exposure. Some say that bokeh can be affected by electronic shutters though. I am running these speeds rarely and I didn’t see a bad bokeh, but maybe that’s because I didn’t do a direct comparison with an ND filter shot and mechanical shutter in such a situation yet!
Congratulations on the excellent lens comparison work!
Many thanks! 🙏
Great review. Thanks! Loved that still life photo near the end!
Thank you for your feedback! Yes, that was a nice flower arrangement!
Excellent video. Thank you. Although I can't help but think that a more fair comparison would have been between the 7 Artisan 50mm f/1.1 and the TT Artisan 50mm f/1.2. Between those two I think the TT Artisan would have come out the very clear winner.
Thanks for your feedback! The 7Artisans 50/1.1 is made for Leica M, so it is a full-frame lens and it is much heavier and also more expensive than needed for the small APS-C sensor. I would recommend it mainly if you’re shooting Leica M or a full-frame mirrored camera.
The 7Artisans is at 200 Euros now, so I thought, I go for that. Thanks for the review. Nice video. 👍🏻
Thanks! I wish you a lot of fun with the 7Artisans!
had been looking forward to this, great comparison. I am a happy TTArtisan user :)
Good to hear, me too ;)
Hey Thomas. Great video buddy. Everything I needed to know was here.
Hey, many thanks for your feedback! I appreciate it a lot! 🙏
Instead of using the electronic shutter to shorten exposure you can use a neutral density filter. André
True! That works equally well.
I'm a bit late to the party, but here are some additional observations. First thanks for this great comparison. Very nicely done!
I have used both of these lenses on a Fujifilm body, and got slightly different results. Wide open, the TTArtisan is not only sharper, but has greater contrast and less fringing, which is certainly understandable. I found the creamy look of the 7Artisans to be appealing, but the lack of detail just didn't work for me. The TTArtisan, while not exhibiting as much of that dreamy quality, held details and contrast better at its maximum f/1.2. At f/1.4, the TTArtisan was already quite sharp, and showed much more detail than the 7Artisan at the same f/stop. By f/4 and beyond, there's very little between them, providing you focus at working aperture. I found the TTArtisan to have more focus shift when stopping down than the 7Artisans, though both lenses exhibit this to some degree, especially with closer subjects. To me, the significant advantages of the TTA over the 7A are its better contrast and the fact that it exhibits noticably less barrel distortion. Considering the price difference, the size and weight difference, and the fact that the 7A is just a bit too foggy until stopped down to f/2, I chose to keep the TTA. Both are really fun lenses, but to me, the real winner was the TTA. It's hard to believe a lens that costs so little can perform so well.
I think the sharpness when wide open is the key factor for me to pick the TTartisans f1.2. If you buy a lens with these wide apertures, it is for using it mainly wide open... I don't care that the 7artisans is slightly better at f4 or higher.
And if you add the purple fringing and double price of the 7artisans, for me it is a no brainer.
There's now also a new TT Artisan 50/0.95. I have to give that one a try as well soon!
Danke, Thomas. Deine China-Linsen Reviews sind toll. Gerade die direkten Vergleiche.
Danke für's Feedback! Ich hoffe, in Zukunft noch weitere direkte Vergleiche zeigen zu können!
@@tomscameras but is ir noticable on the bockeh?
Both are great lenses for the price. Since the difference between f0.95 and f1.2 is slightly less than a half a stop, I cannot justify the additional price, weight, and bulk of the 0.95.
I absolutely agree!
Thank you for this Tom. I just picked up a TT Artisans 50mm f1.2 lens and love it. Using on my X-T3 right now.
Thanks for your feedback! You're using the exact combo than like me! Wish you a lot of fun with it!
Hi oc2phish07. I am on the of getting a TTA50/1.2 in an attempt to see whether MF lenses suits me. After some months of use, do you see yourself still enjoying it with its tighter focal length that it's almost always in your bag? I'm contemplating between this and the 7Artisans 35/0.95 but I don't want it to eventually gather dust over time realizing that it's tedious and annoying to use (as a person used to AF lenses. Furthermore, quite a number had already sold their copies in the 2nd hand market probably because of the same reasons I mentioned). So, I just want to be sure coming from a person who owns the lens for some time and with the same body as mine (XT3). My current line up of XF lenses are: 16/1.4, 27/2.8ii, 35/2.0, 50/2.0. Btw, talking about the TTA's 50mm FL, the XF 50/2.0 I own is my least used lense.
Fantastic Lens Review, thanks for sharing
Thanks !! :)
Modern lenses dont stop at infinity. This is a design feature. It is to compensate for both temperature variation, and Spectrum variations for different types of film. There may be additional reasoning in the digital realm that Im unaware of.
I agree for autofocus lenses, there introducing a hard stop at infinity doesn't make any sense, and the reasons you mention are valid.
For manual focus lenses, it's still just much more convenient if you have a hard stop at infinity. I think even the most modern Leica M lenses also have that feature, for example.
Really struggle to decide between 0.95 and f1.2, but many review suggest the ttartisan 50mm f1.2, so I picked the ttartisan.
Thanks for your feedback! I wish you a lot of fun with the TT Artisan lens!
Altes Video, ja ich weiss... Habe mir nun eine XT3 geholt und will was analoges, deswegen hier gelandet.
Tolles Video zu den 2 Objektiven! Gruß aus Bonn, anscheinen nach Köln :D
Ich nehme erstmal das 50/1.2
Danke für Deinen Kommentar, auch wenn dieses Video nicht ganz neu ist! 😀 Ich hoffe, Du hast viel Freude mit der Linse! Grüße aus Köln!
The ttartisan lens is so much nicer visually. I don't appreciate the Bokeh of the 7artisans, and that is its best quality.
Actually, I do like the 7Artisans as well. But yes, the TT Artisans is fantastic overall!
great comparison!!
Many thanks, glad you like it!
Great review.
Many thanks! 🙏
Your videos are very educating! Great job!
Many thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it a lot!
Hi Tom interesting video I went for the 0.95 option and love the lens thanks for the video live long and prosper.......
Sounds great! Nice to hear you’re enjoying the lens a lot! 😀
Thank You.
Your're welcome, thanks!
thankyou very much... this video help me to answer, which lens i should buy.. i think TT artisan is sharper.
I wish you a lot of fun with the TT Artisan!
By the way there is a also brand-new TT Artisan 50/0.95 lens as well. I didn't shoot it yet ... I think that the 50/1.2 remains a great alternative anyway!
I like your focal length comparison videos. I will search for similar videos in your lineup. Make more!
My next comparison video will be some of the new APS-C manual focus lenses around 21-23 mm. Thanks for your feedback!
Great review. I'm a happy TTartisan user. Next I wish I could afford 35mm. I haven't decide should I go with TT artisan 35mm f/1.4 or the 7artisan 35mm f/0.95. 😀
Overall, I think that both 35mm lenses are actually better than the 50mm counterparts. Both the TT Artisan 35 is better than the 50, and the 7Artisans 35 is also better than their 50.
The difference in size between the two 35's is also bigger, because the TT Artisan is super small and compact.
So it's down to price, size, and if you want the f/0.95 aperture or are okay with "only" f/1.4.
Did you see my video where I shoot a portrait with both these 35mm lenses?
ruclips.net/video/eeSX2jwC-eM/видео.html
Hello Tom, grand review as usual. Any chance of reviewing the TTArtisans 40mm macro?
Yes I should give that one a try. The reason I didn't get it yet is that I use one of my legacy 50mm macro lenses all the time and didn't feel the need to upgrade. But maybe a comparison would be a good idea. Now that I think of it!
how about:
distortion? minimal focus distance? sharpness at minimal focus? focus breathing? lo-ca? flaring/ghosting?
You're right, my lens reviews are much less technical than several others, and also I do not cater for the needs of video (like focus breathing).
So I'd like to point you to some other more technical reviews that maybe will help you out with all your questions, like Christopher Frost, he did videos on both these lenses as well on RUclips!
Thx for this nice video, I have a 25mm 1.8 7artisans lens that I purchased a year ago for just 60$, and I am still amazed at what kind of shots I was able to make using this lens, for a price
that's next to nothing. Anyway, I changed my main camera and decided to acquire a whole range of Chinese manual lenses, and could not decide between these two brands...so your video
definitely helped I'm going for both brands, two lenses from each brand. And I wish you many, many more subs you most certainly deserve it. Best of luck.
Thanks Igor for your feedback! I hope you have a lot of fun with your camera and lenses! And yes it’s much easier to build a whole selection of lenses from these emerging Chinese brands because they are surprising affordable!
Great video as always! I'm still quite happy with my TTartisan although I am noticing that the aperture blades are getting oily
Thanks for sharing your experience. I didn't observe oily aperture blades yet with my copy of this lens, but I am not using my 50's so often, as for everyday shooting I use my shorter focal lengths.
Tolong perbandingkan kembali. Tapi dengan tt artisan vs 7 artisan 50mm 0.95
Sadly, I didn't have the opportunity yet to shoot the TT Artisan 50/0.95.
7artisans 50mm f0.95 vs TTartisan 50mm f0.95. Which one would you recommend? And which one performs better wide open? Thanks!!!
Unfortunately, I didn’t have the opportunity yet to shoot and compare the TT Artisan 50/0.95!
Nice review!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
Hello Tom, I didn't understand you when talking about the shutter.
Just a hint - use several shots - the one with these old people and covid masks is "not best"
Thanks for your comment. But what exactly didn’t you understand? Maybe I can try to explain it :)
@@tomscameras I don't understand why this is a "fast" lens and why the electronic shutter option would be better. Wouldn't a ND filter not be the better solution?
@@dakrisi3520 Yes, the ND filter also works! The electronic shutter option on the Fuji cameras has the advantage that you don’t need to handle with the ND filter, for example when the lighting changes suddenly ... the camera can just adjust the speed automatically all the time and you don’t need to care for anything and can concentrate on your subject.
@@tomscameras Isn't the electronic shutter the worse technical solution? Except for setting super short shutter speeds of course.
job well done, thanks a lot. ❤️
Many thanks, you’re welcome!
Appreciate the review, but really disagree. The bokeh for the 7artisans looks weird and the sharpness counts for wide open, why would you buy these lenses otherwise?
Yes, if you're looking for more optical perfection, than you might want to shop for other lenses as well. It's all down to personal taste and preference!
Nice video! I see no reason to go for the 7arts. lens honestly. Wide open it's just too soft and the bokeh is too busy, doesn't look good. Then you stop down, or you can just save some money and get the TTart. which looks fine even wide open. From my pov I prefer all aspects of the TTartisan 50 :)
I understand your point! I did enjoy the 7Artisan lens a lot, but kept the TT Artisan in the end ...
thanks for taking the time to put this comparison together. i totally agree with your verdict. while the extra 1/3 of a stop with 7artisans and the more rounded bokeh is nice, it isn't enough to justify the extra cost/weight/etc compared to what you get with the ttartisan. for me, the 7artisans would have to be quite a bit better wide open in order for me to justify the price difference and it just isn't. maybe if the ever make a mk2 version of this lens they'll make that happen. i'd love to have the entire firefly trio from 7artisans, but for now the ttartisan will fill the 50mm position. now to see what the 7artisans 25/0.95 can do =-) also, i really enjoy tha fact that the ttartisan 50/1.2 and the 7artisans 35/0.95 share a 52mm filter thread, as i like to use a variable ND filter to mitigate the need of the electronic shutter in the bright florida sun.
Thanks for your feedback! I find the 7Artisans 25/0.95 pretty bulky, I'd rather have an excellent 23/1.4 or maybe 23/1.2. That's why I haven't tried it yet, but there surely is a vacancy at this focal length in my lens setup :)
@@tomscameras, i agree. i was surprised by how large the 7artisans 25/0.95 is. here's hoping ttartisans will offer something out in that focal length that is more compact.
I appreciate the comparison, and I doubt this will change the assessment much, but the markings on my TTA 50 1.2 are engraved, just not very deep.
Many thanks for your information! I'm not sure, maybe even slightly different versions do exist by now. Or maybe that's because they have different production runs or something.
I know for example that my 17mm f/1.4 has a different typeface than some others, so there is a very obvious difference.
In the end, surely it doesn't matter too much! These are both fine lenses and I'm happy that we get these choices!
@@tomscameras I really appreciated seeing these two side by side. I believe I made the right choice for myself but I can see how the 7A might appeal to others.
Thanks again!
Great video. Regarding your recommendation for an electronic shutter to avoid overexposure, can't it be mitigated with an ND filter either?
Yes, an ND filter is a great substitute if your camera doesn't offer those super-fast speeds. Or also if you prefer to shoot at longer shutter times and still with open aperture, maybe for certain artistic / creative reasons!
Thank you
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I’ve been looking at these for a while. Think if I was shooting m4/3 the 0.95 would be worth it but I’m shooting APSC and doubt I would use it much.
I haven't shot any of the 7Artisans or TT Artisan lenses on MFT actually. So I can't comment on how good they do on MFT bodies. I do know several vintage lenses have some issues when shot wide open on MFT cameras because they tend to have a thick glass filter stack on top of the sensor.
@@tomscameras Didn’t know that, thanks!
there is an opinion that 50mm out of focus is equal to 35mm 7art at 0.95, what about you? Do you agree with that?
I did a direct comparison between the TT Artisan 50/1.2 and 7Artisans 35/0.95 here. I think the difference in bokeh is very visible. Both are great lenses! But see for yourself:
ruclips.net/video/eeSX2jwC-eM/видео.html
How about 50mm 7artisans f.95 vs 35mm f 1.2 7artisans?
I never tried the 7Artisans 35mm f/1.2 so far!
A Klick- Aperture to help by manual fokusing? That must you explane me
It’s always best to focus at open aperture. Because only they you can clearly see what you’re focusing at. If you stop down to f/8 and then focus, it looks like everything is in focus in the viewfinder - it’s confusing to the eye and easy to miss the exact focus.
Now you have click stops and then it is super easy: first focus at open aperture. Then stop down to e.g. f/4. It‘s e.g. 5 clicks. You can do that without taking your eye off the viewfinder. Just count the five clicks and you know you’re at f/4. Take the shot and you’re done!
@@tomscameras jetzt weiß ich was du meinst, ich habe das Glas selber und nutze es am liebsten offenblendig
Is the difference in bockeh, wife open that noticable? Thabks
Look at the comparions photos in this video, there are a few that were taken with both the 50/1.2 and the 50/0.95, so you can judge for yourself if the difference in bokeh is worth it for you or not!
@@tomscameras thanks, but what is your opinion? Do you think its worthy the extra Money? I read somewherer a review that sais it was difficult to spot any difference in real situations e... Im talking about portrait... Moreover, what do you think Will give you the best bockeh, the 85, f1.4, or this ttartisan f1.2?
Well you see my opinion about this in the video! In the end, I kept the 50/1.2 for myself ...
A 85/1.4 lens will give even softer background blur than that; but also a different field of view.
I’m a Sony camera shutter…how else can I achieve the same results than the Fuji camera …but only having a maximum shutter speed of 4000 of a second ?
Try a ND filter. It will uniformly darken the light that reaches the camera lens and thus you'll be able to shoot at a longer time. What you'll want is a ND 0.6 or ND 0.8 filter.
ND 0.6 means you're getting 2 stops less light and ND 0.8 will get you about 3 stops.
I'd get an ND 0.8 for a 0.95 lens when your camera tops out at 1/4000 of a second.
Wow…this was a fast reply…thank you Tom…..absolutely loving your view channel
Well you're welcome, and thanks a lot ! :)
i made the right decision... thanks!!! 😘
Glad you're enjoying your lens!
Hi I just accidentally dropped my 7artisans 50mm f0.95 lens (dropped the lens to the shopping mall ground/floor) and leaving one scratch mark & faded coating.
And the lens glass still normal (didn't break) and the video & photo results also seems normal.
But when I shook the lens body, I heard some shaking sound/noise, is it ok?
Hey, sorry to hear that your lens dropped! Unfortunately, it can always be that something internally got damaged. It's not a sign of being a bad lens - it's more good luck or bad luck.
I think that when you hear some noise, something inside might be broken. Still the lens overall works, but it might be some smaller part inside has broken nontheless.
But I am not a camera repair guy so I can't really tell you in more detail, sorry.
I would just try to contact 7Artisans directly. Maybe they have an idea or can also tell you about a repair facility for these lenses.
nice review. My heart spell 7artisans f0.95!!!
but weight diff 80grams and price2x make me reconsider.
thank bro.
Well, here's my advice: If you can spend the extra cash, there's nothing better than follow your heart! :)
grüße aus Köln! :)
#liebedeinestadt !! Grüße zurück 😃
@tomscameras Great review! I saw you preferred the 35/1.4 version of the TT Artisan. I'm a beginner and got the 35 mm to have fun experimenting with more shallow depth of field and bokeh. I really like it but was somewhat disappointed with the size of the bokeh, and realized I need longer focal length in addition to fast aperture. Will this 50/1.2 be a big difference or do I need to look for even longer lenses to get a marked increase in bokeh?
Well 50/1.2, 50/0.95 and 35/0.95 are already sort of the maximum of shallow depth of field that you can get with an aps-c camera. If these still don’t satisfy you, maybe consider a full frame camera. But also keep in mind that ultimate shallow depth of field is not all in photography. 😀
You 'possibly' may be able to use stepping rings to increase bokeh but its a very extreme move.
More experienced Photographers will know more than I?
Unfortunately the aperture blades really break the TTArtisan 50mm f1.2 lens. At f1.2 they're fine, but as soon as you stop down, they become an irregular shape that looks like a circular saw blade.
This produces very annoying bokeh balls and a less smooth bokeh. It only gets a bit better at f2.8, where they turn into a star shape - still not the smoothest, but less annoying. If the TTArtisan had the 7Artisan's aperture blades, it would've been perfect!
I do see your point - but I also do love the TT Artisan aperture blades exactly because they give those very nice aperture stars when you stop down, and you don't get them with the 7Artisans.
So in the end, this again shows there's no definite "better or worse". You have to select the lens that suits your own needs the best! Both are good choices ...
Hi Mr. LeonidasGFX. Curiously, since you find the bokeh rendering of the TTA50/1.2 quite annoying, did you still get it? That's also one of the reasons why I'm quite hesitant to purchase the TTA50/1.2. If not, what did you get instead? Thanks.
ttartisan is much sharper
Yes. So it’s a bit faster vs. sharper … I still like both lenses but there’s no denying that the TT Artisan is the better buy overall for most!
I think f0.95 is too much for 50mm
Yes, either you have to live with the optical flaws like this 50/0.95 shows ... or, if you demand more quality, then you need to go for a better optical design, but then f/0.95 will be both HUGE and EXPENSIVE in comparison and then you're only using it on few occasions cause it gets cumbersome to carry around ... so maybe f/1.2 or f/1.4 are really the sweet spots overall for a 50mm!
I genuinely don't really understand the appeal of these lenses. I can't argue with the quality of the TTArtisan IQ, but there are just so many vintage lenses, *especially* in the 50mm (hundreds of them) most of which are just plain better... and most of which are far more affordable. I don't get it.
Thanks for your feedback! If you're shooting an APS-C camera, then I actually won't agree with you that vintage lenses are better. I've got a lot of vintage glass which is awesome and I love it.
But: While vintage 50mm lenses are abundant, most are f/1.4 or even less fast, and at open aperture they almost universally show less sharpness, contrast, but more color errors than these purpose-built new lenses. And prices? Well I don't see many classic 50mm f/1.4's for 100 Euros or less these days. Maybe 3-4 years ago, but not now anymore ...
If you move to super-fast 35mm, vintage lens selection gets more limited already. Take the 1971 Nikkor 35/1.4, again a lens that I deeply love, but I wouldn't want to use that on APS-C. And already that Nikkor today is much more expensive than the current APS-C 35mm manual focus lenses.
And fast (f/1.4 or even f/1.8) vintage 22 or 25 mm's are almost impossible to get.
If, however, you want to shoot full-frame, it's a completely different story. Still, the modern lenses from TT Artisan keep getting better and better these days, also the coatings are much better.
@@tomscameras I understand your points but I thought we're talking about 50mm lenses. Wider lengths have been more expensive and less common universally, always. I'd have have somewhat agreed some years ago, if these new lenses had been available then at this quality level, but speed isn't everything and that seems to be all that they offer for the most part. I mean they are clearly based on optical design of the past to begin with. Perhaps the rendering is more contrast-oriented than vintage glass overall, but I don't know if that's a good thing in the digital age (despite the trends) - it's easier to add contrast than to remove it.
But much more than that, modern ISO performance is ridiculously good these days - 1.2 and 0.95 is hardly needed except for effect and from what I've seen of these (*especially* the 7Artisans) they show *silly* amounts of coma, they fringe at the drop of a hat, and they aren't terribly sharp but for the very center (and barely for the 7Art 0.95) .... they just look a bit "sloppy" to me, for lack of a better word.
I'm not saying they are decent for what they are or that they wouldn't be fun to use.... But.... in terms of 50mm range, f1.4, 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 is often plenty of speed, and for separation/OoF rendering *especially* if you go up to (from my experience) much more interesting 55, 57, 58mm rather than 50mm designs. To that end...
Hexanon 50/1.7 can be had all day for $30-50 USD. Hexanon 57/1.4 bare more. Pentax M 50/1.7 even less expensive. Takumar 55/1.8 perhaps 30-50 USD. Takumar 50/1.4 (the legend) easilky 60-90USD. Even a Topcor 58/1.8 is around for just over 100USD. Rokkor 50/1.4/1.7 far under 100 The list is endless. Those are just japanese. The list is endless.
The argument I've heard against shooting FF glass on APSC is that the intended design of the lens is lost, but for those looking for fidelity and not effect, there's a far more flat and clinical look to be found with fewer problems (from the "middle" of the light path for each lens) shooting 35mm film era lenses on APSC than cheap, modern ASPC-only lenses. For everyone else that wants the "character" of the lens to shine through, then the cheaper, less desirable old glass pieces are good again for those *because* of its "character" and perceived problems that made it less respected at the time.
I do think they're getting better, these modern cheap pieces, but honestly they're cheap... they just are at some point in the process. I don't trust the build over time, and I'm dubious about the construction (not to mention manufacture practices) of a lens at those sorts of prices, new, today given material quality and cost. Recycled optical design, etc... It simply cannot be as good. Or at least I don't think so... I'm happy to be wrong though. And I'm *sure* there are occasional exceptions (the TTArtisan 50/1.2 may well be one of them) but overall, I don't think so very often.
^ ^ ^ Also, not that you'll remember or that it matters, but this account is me as well. I forget to switch at least half the time! Hahaha. Cheers, Tom. :)
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Ttartisan 98$ new
Yeah, there are great offers out there! It is always hard for me to quote prices in my videos because they do change over time!
@@tomscameras nice video. Thanks lot
This comparison is not really valid Tom. You should really be comparing the TT Artisans M 50mm f0.95, a full frame lens which is currently only available in Leica M mount (It can be used on most mirrorless cameras with a mount adapter though), with the 7Artisans 50mm f0.95, which is designed for APS-C...That is a side by side comparison I would really love to see.
Then the bokeh of both lenses at f0.95 can be directly compared.
The TT Artisans 50mm f0.95 is actually a modern Chinese made copy of the hyper expensive Leica Noctilux...But surprisingly, it's seems to be better optically than the Leica (at least that is what the reviewers that have compared both say). It's also about 100g lighter than the Leica and it costs a tiny fraction of the cost (about £500 vs around £10,000).
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Hmm, actually I disagree. I would only get the full-frame 50/0.95 if I had a full-frame camera. It's much more expensive and heavy and the sole reason is ... that it's made for the bigger sensor format which you're not using on APS-C anyway.
For 50mm the difference in size, cost and weight between the different sensor formats is already substantial, it gets even more extreme for 35mm or wider lenses. That's why I'm so dedicated in reviewing all these exciting new manual-focus lenses from the Chinese manufacturers that are designed for APS-C.
Of course, if you're using two systems - full frame and APS-C - then it would make sense to only get that one full-frame lens and an adapter. So I see the point why you're asking for such a comparison! But I don't use a digital full-frame camera currently so that's why I'm also not reviewing these lenses at this point.
@@tomscameras but who bothers with APS-C cameras these days when full frame is so much better...Better in low light, better bokeh and better image quality. I have a Sony A7C, which is why I would only be interested in the full frame TT Artisans 50/0.95, rather than the crop format 7 Artisans version.
@@alfoutdoors9660 Well this review video is about APS-C. Both lenses shown here are only available for APS-C.
It is true that full frame is even better in terms of technical image quality! I'm not one of those trying to tell you that that's not true. But if you see it the other way around - APS-C is so good as well today that it doesn't really matter anymore for most photographers. And there are many reasons apart from image quality why photographers might use another camera body or brand than e.g. Sony.
I do sometimes also review lenses for Sony. My main digital camera system these days is Fuji X though, like you see in this video.
@@tomscameras APS-C used to have the advantage of the lenses being smaller and much lighter than full frames versions, but not any more...The two lightest AF lenses in the world right now are both full frame lenses...They are the Samyang AF 24mm f2.8 FE, which is under 95g, and the Samyang AF 35mm f2.8 FE which is under 90g!
@@alfoutdoors9660 Well even back in 2013 there were already super-small and good full-frame lenses: I had the Sony "Zeiss" 35/2.8 for a few years and it was exceptional!
Again, I'd never argue that full-frame offers more in terms of "ultimate" image quality (like 60+ MP sensors in case anyone cares for that) and also "ultimate" background blur. You have a choice of many different full-frame 35/1.4, but there's maybe only one single APS-C 25/0.95 ...
But: Photography is not about number-crunching!
For example, I use Fuji X because I just love the handing and the Fuji bodies much more. I bought the original Sony A7R back in 2013 when it was new. Later had an A7 II and A7R II as well. Today, I sometimes still shoot the A7 IV for review purposes. I'm always happy when I can put back that body at the end of a review session and grab my Fuji X-E4. I just enjoy shooting Fuji bodies much, much more.
And whether it's APS-C or full-frame, just doesn't matter to me anymore, as the image quality is so good anyway. It's not 2006 anymore ... where you would be longing for every next new camera because the technical differences were really noticeable.
They are both rubbish. Don't bother.
I don’t agree really. But that’s the good thing today … there’s a perfect lens available for everyone!
I got the ttartisan and already lost the lenscap 🥲 after 1 day. I have a snap-on now. Anyway, its a very fun lens to use! 😊 the chromatic abb. On 1.2 is pretty hefty though but I guess fixable in post.
Haha yes I dropped my lens cap a lot of times already as well, but didn’t loose it yet :) Sure, the lens is far from perfect at f/1.2 but maybe you’re happy that you didn’t get the Viltrox 33/1.4 then which is the godfather of chromatic aberration! 😅
@@tomscameras Welllll…😅 not the 33 but I do have the 23mill. I’ve been using it in nighttime mostly and had a great experience with it. 😄
Tolong perbandingkan kembali. Tapi dengan tt artisan vs 7 artisan 50mm 0.95
Sadly, I didn't have the opportunity yet to shoot the TT Artisan 50/0.95.