Ep 7 - If I can cut fret slots by HAND, so can YOU! | Building a Guitar from 42,000 Year Old Wood!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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In this episode, Ben is measuring and cutting fret slots on the laminated neck. Once the inlays and logo are made on the CNC machine Ben drills the holes and glues the inlays in the fretboard. The logo waits for another day.......
This guitar is being made using a very soft wood and as such the neck is stabilised with both the usual truss rod plus carbon fibre stiffening rods.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:38 Ben is measuring and cutting the fretboard without using our Fret Slotting Mitre Box
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7:56 Measure, score - and then cut the frets with a Crimson Guitar Fret Slotting Saw
13:15 Bog Oak Inlays - from CNC to guitar neck!
21:17 Conclusion
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inlay by hand and in line with one of the veneers, Ben, you know we are here to make your life more challenging, but we know how you love a challenge and working with hand tools😁
it would be cool to see you hand inlay the logo in line with the veneer, i think it would be a nice clean look... loving how this guitar is coming together
I’d love to see the logo in line with the lower veneer, and yes, by hand Ben. It’s great to watch these sort of builds. I love Kauri wood, and I might even have some ancient Kauri gum kicking around on a dusty shelf somewhere. That guitar will be absolutely gorgeous when it’s finished :)
The inlay should be in between two veneer lines. I think the logo would otherwise be either too close to or too far from the bottom edge of the headstock.
i really like the contrast with the black inlay dots. not only on this particular neck but also in comparison to the usual shiny pearl inlays.
"That's what the wood wanted"
Best thing I've heard on this channel
Small suggestion when you make small fiddly inlays- you can laminate to the back of the wood a piece of carbon fiber, and then cut it. The carbon fiber will give the wood more structural integrity, so you can cut it thinner
I feel that the neck of the CCG logo inline with a veneer battles of the same directional line and takes away from the logo itself. I think that if you were to place it in between the veneer lines that you would compliment the implied line and flow that the piece has. It would also echo the style / placement of the truss rod inlay, as that too would be between the lines in the center of the head stock.
Really wonderful work, I enjoy that your videos and that you are able to share with us all.
Loving the build so far. Inlay the logo inline with the veneer it'll look great. I've always enjoyed watching your craftsmanship, please do it by hand it's more interesting.
Since you always take the road "less traveled" in your project, here's a Challenge; add a wire inlay to border the Crimson logo... brass or silver? Great contrast between the bog oak dots and the light coloured fretboard by the way!
Hey Ben. You’re awesome mate!! Inlay by hand, hands down mate. Ya hand work is lovely!!
I vote for the logo on the line, the lower one looked great. Use whatever tools you need!
I like the idea of doing on the line so it looks organic. Power or hand tools doesn’t really matter, either way we’d learn something.
Perfect timing just got your fret ruler! Now I know how to use it properly! Thank you 🙏
Definitely want to see it inlaid by hand. Gives us a good demo on how to do it ourselves. Can't wait for the next instalment
Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression that wood is super light and resonant. Im personally dying to hear the finished instrument
Such beautiful grain! Equalled only by the sapele fretboard of The Complication- still my favourite.
If I had followed my teenage dream of becoming a luthier, I would definitely want the fret position ruler and the depth stop saw. Crimson does make some very useful tools! The fret cutting jig would be a luxury item- as you said, it's not difficult to cut the slots by hand.
Loved this video! I was doing this exact process last week inlaying mahogany dots into an ebony fretboard. I wish I had seen your tip about a good center point bit before I started, it would have saved me a decent amount of dust and glue filling and redrilling!
I have watched several of your videos now, and apart from the skill on show, and that applies to the whole team, the ting that stands out is the passion. Utterly awe inspiring. Respect 🤘🤘🤘
"A good sharp blade solves many problems." As an amateur swordsman, I couldn't agree more. :)
Multiple coats of oil over shellac? That fretboard is gonna look deep enough to swim in!
I'm in favour of the logo inlay positioned as at 18:38 and the inlay done by hand because watching you do fine work close up is incredibly soothing for the spirit
I watched this video the day AFTER cutting my first fret slots by hand (and without guitar-specific tools). Needless to say I'm very relieved to see that I did most things right :D
I'm in agreement with logo on the line. Hand tool inlay my preference.
Interested in the shellac, finishing oil finish too.
Inlays by hands are always entertaining and good for knowledge :)
LOVE this series in particular!
This would have been a great opportunity to CNC something awesome for dots... little kiwis or something unique.
How about breaking the veneer lines? This guitar is SO promising!🤩
My vote on the Crimson Guitar logo inlay: Drill the tuning peg holes first, then decide where to place the logo. Another observation (not a criticism): Would you normally line up the grain on the bog oak dot inlays all in one direction? It appears you placed them randomly. Another suggestion would be since the fretboard grain is wavy, perhaps it would be interesting to line up the bog oak dots grain with the waves. Too late now, of course, just interested in your take on that. Cheers from Morgan Hill, CA!
Use the cnc router to cut out for the logo inlay. Less risk at this point. Lovely work Ben 👏. Just a note to mention, when you slapped the neck near the beginning of the video, I thought I heard the sound of the truss rod rattling. Might have been my imagination but I have had truss rod rattle issues of my own in the past and it haunts me.
Here’s how I use the miter box to slot fretboards after they have been attached to a neck. The miter box has four vertical panels. Each one is bolted to the base. With Stratocaster headstocks, it’s the treble side of the neck that gives you problems. So what I have done is to remove that one panel that gets in the way, and reattach it using long bolts and long spacers. It looks odd, but it is actually quite easy to keep the sawblade perpendicular to the neck. In fact, I don’t have to give it a second thought; the blade remains perfectly straight.
I think crossing the lines something 90's styling with the inlay would be cool with the color tones of that beautiful old wood and that fe*der style head stalk.
Logo on the line for sure!
I see a new Crimson Guitars video, I hit like and then I watch.
Inlay centered between veneer-lines :)
Definitely want to see the inlay done by hand, most because I want to see how you actually do it by hand! What tools and techniques get used… suspect in line with the veneers would look good, but leave that up to you!
The fret board looks amazing, please do the inlay by hand!
I think the logo would look better between the lines. I feel like if it was on the line, the logo would get a bit lost.
Ben. One more sweet Video. Crimson logo should be on a angle 📐 across the Head stock parallel as you Play the Guitar 🎸
My teacher learned me too rotate the pencil while drawing the line with a the ruler -> for consistent line width.
Also marking should be done lightly to avoid missing the (middle of the )mark . Try it :)
I would like to see it done all by hand. And the idea of it appearing from the veneer line sounds intriguing. I know the jazz version has a dot inlay but you could have done the jaguar version with soap bars inlayed.
I'll put the logo right between the outlines of the head, aligned to the center line. And good night (from here).
Logo between the lines. It will make the headstock of the logo look clean.
An industrial designers opinion in this case ;-)
Set the Crimson Logo between the veneer lines, setting on the line looks like a mistake.
I think you should inlay by hand, of course. But just 2mm above the veneer line so it is underlined. If it was any other colour I would go on the line, but I think it will pull the eye away from the logo and down the lines. I don't know if that makes any sense. Loving this build though, the grain on the fretboard is insane!
Definitely in line with one of the join lines and by hand - I’d like to see how you do this. And near the bottom of the headstock away from the machine head holes. This one is looking great. Would it be a sin to install stainless steel frets? They would last forever. And it would tie in with the ancient wood! Stainless is all I install these days. Worth the effort even though hard on tool 👍
Inlay in line with the veneer by cnc 👌
In line with the veneer and by hand of course.
in line with one of the veneer lines would look very cool
From one keen watch collector to another and completely off topic but can you do a video showing your watch collection? Cheers, Tim.
Nice, I missed a lot of your vids RUclips stopped notifying of a lot of channels I an subscribed to after I cleared my history. I have to catch up. I need to do this on a fretless guitar I bought last week. I thought it would be cool because I own a fretless bass and have had several in the past but a fretless guitar is nothing like trying to play a fretless bass. There is a couple things I like about it but a fretted neck IMO is much better. I will need tools I haven't built a guitar in years and got rid of most of my tools. I do have some stainless steel jumbo fret wire for a refret job I did a year or so ago.
My fret markers are different. i use my router, with a triangle-pointed bit, to make small holes on 3/5/7/etc finger positions. Then, I take my trusty bag of 1/2 inch flat-head screws, then with just a few twists, fret markers! (thats why I have to router first, for the underside of the screw head).
Some people say my work is slap-dash and bodged. Some people are right.
I’d go between the lines with the logo, I think you’d lose the neck outline in the pin stripe otherwise.
In-line with a veneer strip is a great call. Tools don't matter.
In-line with the veneer...... Can you get it spot on and completely parallel with the next veneer line? That is the question! And just for fun, wrap the logo perimeter in copper sheet before inlaying.
Good afternoon Crimson guitars
I used calipers, a 23 thou feeler gauge, and some arithmetic to do my first 4 guitars, with a vertical block clamped down to the board as a guide. Slow but by god it's accurate.
Looks amazing! surprised you didn't align the grain of the dots with the grain of the fretboard though. Would love to see the inlay done by hand, but I don't think you should follow the veneer as I feel it might disappear a bit. perhaps parallel with the veneer, but in between.
fake account much?
Who commented on your initial comment here?
Was it Chrimson Guitars? ( Telegram only )
You're going to do it by hand anyway, but using _just_ the Leatherman would be nice for a change.
Also, in line. Aye, going to make some sawdust now!
Since you are using 42,00 wood and ancient Bog Oak, you ought to make the nut out of Mammoth Ivory.
Split the lines down the middle with the inlay
Did you give up on the Otho Pencil I sent you! I've actually started using my GraphGear 1000 more. They are great and I agree with you about the clip! Oh yeah, I was wrong about the "Redwood" I sent, It's actually Western Red Cedar! I love this build so far man. Very cool. Peace & Love
I would say in-between the lines and don't be afraid to use that CNC again to do it.
As much as I like the idea of following the line on he headstock to carry on the design of the inlay, I think the end of the inlay itself (where it draws the little headstock outline) it's so thin it would look like the veneer is kind of twisted in that point. Maybe putting the inlay between the lines makes it stand out more
19:58 'it's always better to think ahead, and solve the problems before they actually happen' . That's not as easy as it sounds 🙂
Everyone's saying in line with the veneer, I disagree. The logo will be lost and this is such a cool build I'd want everyone to see who made it.
Abalone would have been my choice for inlays. NZ is famous for Abalone.
Keith.
Since I have a multi tool with the right attachment for inlaying that I’ve never used, please do that. I’m sure there’s many many videos of rotary tool inlay work, but the Ben Crowe version will redefine the genre. Maybe I’m overstating things. Maybe not.
"and then we are done... until the next one of a million tasks"🤣🤣🤣🤣
The vertical line of the logo will be weakened considerably if it coincides with the background line.
The inlay head find the line 30-degree tilt up from that line. The reason i am making guitar / voilà de gamba \ cello hybrid and hexagons as structs etc and as they are equilateral triangles (6 of) half of 60 is 30 thought it be cool and yeah my head is on the how to break your own mind (Thanks Ben). And by hand as i done front and backplate twice front i carved a lovely bowl shape crack all the way through so see on fixes or start again, so this is your fault as you said make saw dust i never done this before and from scrap wood and pallet because it was said it couldn't be done well see about that. Also, this is for 3rd place in a flower show where 3rd was part pallet nailed and sanded, called a shoe rack. i not done videos as i hate my face sound body and that have done pictures of this thing . so there is my input lol
1: “ relatively” precise - that’s why I need a fret slot jig!
2: why did you cut the nut slot on the radius?
3: that, sure as hell beats cutting plugs!
4: Dremel please.
I've often wondered who was it that decided that the dot inlay had to be on odd fret numbers (aside from 12 or 24). I know those are major notes, but it could have easily worked on even numbers. 🤔
The FAMAGs are really good, but i have ENT and they do great. Although, not cheap...
Just important to use the good drill bits only for the jobs where quality matters. I have a numerous old and cheap bits für drilling in junk wood, plates and so on...
Do a baritone scale ruler!
Had already heard an big archtop made by a dutch luthier and a Tely by an US luthier out of this 40k years old NZ kauri, can't remember how to contact the supplier, I'd be interested to get what it takes to make a few instruments in the future as I found the sound pretty interesting.
Put the headstock logo wherever the string tree won't be.
I knew you were going to use wood glue for the dots. Perfect. Use your rotary tool for the logo. Sweeping curve needs it. The plectrum was impressive. Bring back the hand tool build. Bring out your designs with some gray stain. Maybe too late?
please do the inlay with dremel. I need some tips from the master.
Align the logo with the line! It looks much cooler!
15:05 i refuse to believe dogs danglies is a real expression sir 🤣 but as for the headstock i would put the “neck” portion of it dead center between two veneers because I feel the logo will be less visible with just the “body” and “headstock” portion sticking out of the veneer line. That would NOT be the dogs danglies or the pooches pouch or the bulldogs bell-end or whatever other expression you have in this mythical alternate timeline known as the UK 😂
I tried scalpel marking fret slots as you suggested Ben. It does not work for me. I find the edge of the saw (not the middle) wants to run in the cut, so the saw runs slightly off centre. If you are ADHD like me then you forget which side you ran the saw on the previous fret and it can add up to a problem. Love your work.
I always watch your videos, there's always something to learn, thank you. This time something else caught my attention, though: starting at 7:19, there's a parlor size guitar on the wall - I'd like to know more on that, can you please share some info?
This is the Panormo: ruclips.net/video/k3eaHE4Z7LE/видео.html Everything you need to know. DC
I really love your sprung center punch. I have one that you push down on to mark with, but it requires so much force that I only really use it for woods like rosewood and purpleheart and on metal. Might I inquire where I might find one? Do you have them on your tool site? I’m just not really sure what to call them.
Hi Kyle, if you contact the Vintage Tool Shop - shop@vintagetoolshop.com They might have one in stock?
Logo on the veneer line.
Inlay by hand definitely
Well, if you are listening, Ben, how about offering some templates for necks only? Crimson only offers them as a full set for a full guitar, and I just need a neck template only.
We do a PRS neck only template, www.crimsonguitars.com/collections/templates/products/prs-22-neck-template-set. However, email Rikki or Sam at office@crimsonguitars.com and ask if they would make you specifically what you need. You never know until you ask? DC
So considering that the woods used are thousands of years old, will we be seeing some 2,000+ year old cupronickel/bronze used for the frets? Bit too optimistic?
New from Crimson Guitars for 2023: perpendicular frets! 😂
inlay by hand and in between the lines!
Ben, what model of Famag brad points do you use?
My vote: place the inlay on one of the lines (it looked best imho) and do it with a dremel
Cheers from Texas!
where to put the logo?
Ask the owner 😉
If they are ok with voting?
i say, use the veneer, as the centerline, centerline, centerline, 😊
All the best.
Michael Francis.
I'm nor sure about the Headstock Ben, I think it could use a Veneer! Or a Partial Veneer, It looks a bit like Ruled Paper to me!
The fret lines will be perpendicular hold it long ways so you can be right
Can't you use the CNC to cut the logo into the head stock???
Could you not have ran the Grain on the Position Markers in the Same Direction to spare my OCD Ben? 😂👌
I know your old fret slotting saw didn't have a depth stop...because it's in a cabinet in MY shop!! MUHAHAHA! 😁
between the lines, by hand :)
logo between the lines
Fender seen this series and did their own Bog Kauri Jaguar. Ben made Fender feel threatened!!!!!