@@austinbutcher8106 I actually think Belisarius could have become a tolerated assistant to Perty over time if only Kor Pharon had perished in his partial astartes upgrade and Erebus had perished prior to Monarchia...
@@imcool2931Not sure what is "incel" about what he said. Men are mostly utilitarian minded, so his statement is correct. Faith itself is a useless construct when results matter.
@@Maniacman2030idk what your on but having faith in stuff is the reason we even built anything, imagine having no faith in inventing or constructing nything
But him being a jerk is the reason behind his legion being used as the expanable one, thrown in the worst siege situations without a thank, wich made him join the traitors out of spite wich ends in him being a demon or whatever. Just immagine him having a relationship with anyone of his brothers, they would have realized his legion was being abused and would have stopped it, do you think Vulkan would have tollerated it? Of course not, but in the end he was a demanding asshole who no one loved becouse he was/is like a machine. And that dammned him.
@@corneal35He was completely wrong on all accounts though. In 40k, civilizations can manifest deities through belief, as proven by the "greater good warp entity" It doesn't matter what he thinks. If enough people think it's real, it is. Even if there is no Ommissiah warp entity, the alternative is the C'tan in Mars that controls machines. Either way, Perturabo is revealing how little he knows about the universe he lives in.
@@Mechagodzilla128He's not wrong, after all he calls the Omnissiah a "Projection of convictions" which is what every single warp entity ultimately is.
I think it really kicked off when he joinedthe imperium, on his homeworld he was the guy in charge and was the best at everything, in the imperium he had 17 other brothers who were better them him in some things, a couple that were as good as him. So he felt inferior, that compounded with the other issues added up to what happened.
Same old hate on Perturabo. The mental download of all his knowledge erased his childhood. He had to grow up again with the full expectations of a planetary warlord. He's now ready for any of his entitled brothers.
@@Arbaaltheundefeated eh, Ctan straddle the line between mortal and God, they technically aren't Gods, but they do embody aspects of reality, and when one was actually killed, that part of reality (I think) stopped existing, and the necrons were cursed with the flayer virus
There’s another reason, of course - perturabo could build and understand anything. He had an instinctual understanding of machines. What need does he have for mysticism when he already understands it on a bone deep level?
@@dschehutinefer5627 One understood the Materium on an instinctual level, the other the Immaterium. They could relate, and have actually enlightening discussions.
@@MachineMan-mj4gjIndeed. And both were under no illusions about this. Their respective fields were things that needed to be conquered with knowledge and not treated with fear and superstition.
Perty then: "I do not care about how the machine *feels* today, it's just baseless superstition ." Perty now: "I know the machine has feelings, we trapped a demon in it after all. I just don't care."
I mean, supernaturally knowing how everything and everyone works and feeling every flaw and wrongness in everything and everyone non-stop, including reality itself in the shape of the literal hell in the sky, with the knowledge that is constantly looking back at you reminding you that it everything is horrible, the fact that no one seems to care about it like they are purposely ignoring it (and when you mention it they ended up taking it as a weird metaphor or treating you like a paria). The inability to having something similar to internal peace, and the certainty that no one can actually understand your situation. Permatrago IS a man-child and a salty bastard and an incredibly and unnecessarily cruel Primarch to everyone (specially to his Legion), but to his credit as a character, all this character flaws came from a some what reasonably place (this doesn't mean he is blameless, knowing why he's a bitch doesn't change the fact that he's still a bitch)
I'd say Angron had less easily, dude chose to keep a device gnawing at his brain installed and got upset the Emperor didn't bring his friends along. Perty sees a swirling vortex of pure chaos at all times and can see why everything around him is shit, despite his desire to fix it. Comparatively Angron's a punk bitch
@@williamquantrill5226end and the death volume 3 "He knew what he was, a weapon a perfect weapon and he was content in that but unfortunately he also had feelings, he didn't ask for them but it was gift his father gave to all his sons... Lord of Iron knew there was a way to become perfect but would he have will to endure the cost?"
"Yes, my 'dad' allowed your stupid fantasy to continue, because it was the best way to get your stuff intact, I share no such desire to accommodate you"
And I guess that if Horis Heresy not happened, I'm absolutely sure that The Emperor will recruit and train shinies of the imperium so they can advanced in science. Then he will call Pertu and order him to destroy Mars and Mechanicum
@@superspies32 Frankly, it's pretty obvious that Perturabo, Ferrus, Vulkan, Dorn and maybe even Fulgrim would have taken over the whole industry within the Imperium and done away with the Mechanicum altogether.
"Take your smartest and most creative 'priest', lock them in a room with every schematic humanity has ever produced, give them stimulants to boost their mental prowess as well as augments to boost it further, and give them access to infinite resources. I will look at whatever it is they've made from this process, take it apart, improve it, and build it faster. I will do all of this without needing your 'religion', 'dogmas', or prayers. You are nothing to me and I find the entire foundation of your society to be an insult."
@@Scarletraven87 From an in universe perspective you are right, but from an observers perspective you are not, the machine spirit, be that it's name or another, is an observable thing in universe. I'm behind on a lot of books so i can't speak to the coping joke. But our dear Peter Turbo is wrong about it being complete make belief. He is, I believe, quite right about the expediancy part though.
Yeah, then purty went and cried to Horus how daddy Emperor didn't hug him enough so now he's going to enslave himself to chaos to show just how independent he is... Trash character, Mechanicus for life
@@thesugardaddy7037 Traitors: Kurze - needed therapy a Lot of Therapy Peter - needed councelling and someone to vent to Mortarion - needed to vent emotions to someone Fulgrim - needed to be castrated / someone to care enough to look at his sword Horus - needed someone to reassure him Alparius - he's a Fucking flag pole he aint gonna do shit without others Lorgar - he needed someone to help him find new way of living In short yes all of them would be fine with therapy
@@thesugardaddy7037 Well, "Machine Spirits" could actually be multiple explanations. On the one hand, it could be bits of the Dragon's mind or soul somehow dug into everything the AdMech produce. It could also be Dumb AI still around that the AdMech has gaslit themselves into not thinking are AI or have forgotten that they are (cause they forget tech sometimes). The fact that Cognis/Awakened weapons are self-aiming/firing/driving (i.e. there's nobody pulling the trigger, it's pulling *itself*) means that there's absolutely *something* going on. The fact that Machine Spirits are just "temperamental" or "touchy" and not "actively and constantly malicious" leads me to doubt it's actually the Dragon itself.
It certainly doesn’t help that his tactical ineptitude and blatant disregard for material and manpower costs ended up getting unbelievable amounts of Astartes grade equipment destroyed. There’s a reason why the Iron Warriors use basic artillery and boltguns almost exclusively. The Mechanicum didn’t want to give them anything because they knew it’d just get destroyed. The Mechanicum loved the Iron Hands for the opposite reason. The Iron Hands knew how to deploy their stuff, how to use it properly, and how to take care of it and maintain it. Which of your friends would you let borrow your car, the guy that road rages at every minor infraction, drives it like he stole it, takes it off-road all the time and regularly smashes into curbs and shit? Or would you rather lend it to your mechanic and automobile collector friend, who treats every car he’s ever had with the same care and respect he shows to his loving wife?
Not everyone has the iron will of a primarch. And I think him going "I don't care how you feel, I know every piece of component in the entirety of your 50m body. Obey me." would tame a Titan's machine spirit just as well.
I mean, there's a real possibility that the "machine spirits" aren't actually a real thing that exist and are only a big stupid superstition ritual that makes things work despite (not because) itself. That and Perty has the ability to instinctively understand how everything works just by looking at t it/interacting with it, he probably actually see the Mechanics cult working in very counterintuitively and inefficient way for no other reason than to maintain their bullshit, and that drives him mad
Perturabo could've been a perfect role model and one of the greatest primarch if he learnt to control his anger. It's unacceptable that he choosed to become a demon primarch. To me, it would've been better if he choosed to stay traitor and build his own Iron kingdom without accepting chaos.
There's a theory that after Fulgrim stole his "primarch energy" he ended up dying slowly (like a form of warp cancer), which was why he ended up becoming a daemon prince. His experience with the hrud migration also no doubt did some damage to his mortality.
To be fair you don’t need to be a deamon to be horrifically mutated by the warp . Literally a good portion of the iron warriors are already fused with their armor and barely resemble humans underneath because of warp corruption Plus with Perterabos soul literally bleeding out It isn’t surprising that chaos would eventually take him willingly or not
Perty was 100% correct. The Mechanicus religion was tolerated because of the vast wealth of human knowledge abd industry they were sitting on. Big E placated them. Pertarabo is still a prick
@@Warsm1th12they have been never stated to be a warp thing, it doesn’t work like that, there are a lot of stuff that the majority of the imperium believes yet don't become real The imperium doesn’t even believe in machine spirits, only the mechanicus which is part of the imperium
The emperor placed the Void dragon on mars to literally kickstart the, then, Mechanicum He knew the origin of the religion and desired the consequences it would bring with it. While i'm sure big E didn't love the religious aspect i'd say he at least more than tolerated the mechanicus
@@Fourtytwo4242 Almost certainly they're just rudimentary and vastly unoptimized AI constructs, possibly from the Dark Age of Technology, that are in varying states of corruption and disrepair. They're also shackled, being unable to expand or enhance themselves
If only Perty hadn't been everyone's low-dog he'd have been the bestest loyalist ever. Peacing out from Earth once he got sick of everyone being idiots was a full chad move.
In all likelihood Perturabo probably thought the Mechanicus was bullshit because a Primarch is one of the few beings that can make demands of a Warlord Titan and have them fulfilled
Funnily enough, no, the AdMech are not Mutants. They're just really messed up cyborgs. The Navigators, however, totally are, despite being labeled "Abhumans." The difference is that Navigators are a subset of Psyker, which is a mutation and not a typical Baseline Human trait. The Abhumans (like Ratlings and Ogryns) are a stable, consistent variant of the Human form. I.e. all Ratlings by default are that size, whereas not all Humans are Psykers by default.
@@thebighurt2495 anything that deviates from baseline human can be considered a "mutant," or an offense to human purity. this includes genetic modifications/editing, organic body parts and organs being removed and replaced with new ones, and prosthetics or artificial implants. Space Marines, the AdMech, cyborgs in general. even humans refered to as "rattlings," "longshanks," "navigators," and "squats" due to environmental and gravitational differences are included.
@@palpadur1112 Well the difference, specifically, according to the Mechanicus Biologus is the stability and consistency of the Genetics. I.e., if all Humans normally and consistently have six fingers, then a dude with six is not a mutant. He's normal. If Humans normally have five and a dude has six, then he's a deviation and is a mutant. Ratlings, Longshanks, and the other "Abhumans," specifically, are equally consistent. They're all normally taller or bigger or smaller or etc. The reason for the difference is that "Abhumans" are the result of thousands of years of Adaptation to different planetary conditions. "Mutants" are the result of either Chaos influence or heavy radiation poisoning. Abhuman = Understandable Materium Changes Mutant = Warpy bullcrap Since the Rad Mutants have a general tendency to fall to Chaos and the other guys already have, they're a thing that has to be purged. Navigators *are* the result of Warpy nonsense and thus Mutants. "Abhumans" are mentally, physically and genetically stable and not the result of Chaos or highly likely to turn to Chaos. If anything, they have a *lower* rate of it. Thus Abhumans do not need to be purged. Tech-Priests are 100% Human with machiney bits stuck in them. As far as Space Marines are concerned, you're actually right. It's just that Emps himself designed them and thus they get a pass.
@@kamchatmonk well he is a special case, he was literally called by the emperor himself via a visión of a guy the emperor knew cawl would absorb, and if You play atention all of the mechanicus is agaist him and consider his doing heresy, the space marines look at him in the same way, but at the end of they day its a necesary evil because imperium was alredy losing 😂👌
... they haven't banned invention. They've simply demanded that all work on the highest-level of technology... that being psychic-circuitry... be regulated, less it fall into the corruption that once threatened to destroy humanity.
I swear, I come to like Perturabo more and more each and every time I listen to something new about him (to me) or read something new. It isn't making him BETTER, just that he's getting more and more likeable in the "You absolute idiot, you IQ of 2002 moron, c'mere and learn how to be both right and BETTER." kind of "older brother" way.
Well, you know, Perty's super-primarch-power is that he's the galaxy's greatest asshole. He has nothing else in greater quantities and is better than all at nothing else.
“In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony gods blessing (dad). But because, I am enlightened by my own intelligence”…… Why are Leman and Lionel making fun of me?!?! I hate them, I hate my family! They don’t get how smart I am! Dad, tell them to stop laughing at me!
Perturabo: “So many of my sons and so much of their equipment… all lost in the last compliance! Why do I not get any parades or honors or accolades?! Why do all my brothers hate me?!” Dorn: *[prolonged sigh]* “dumbass… YOU MARCHED THEM INTO THE MOST HEAVILY FORTIFIED POSITIONS YOU COULD FIND IN MASSED INFANTRY CHARGES!! YOU FED THEM INTO THE MEATGRINDER WITH NO SUPPORT, AND YOU EXPECT THE IMPERIUM TO KISS YOUR ASS FOR IT?!?!” For real, if Perturabo had been selected to fortify the Imperial Palace, there’d have been at least 100 times as many dead laborers as there were by the time Dorn was finished. He thinks everyone is a number on a list, which doesn’t make him a brilliant tactician like all his meat riders fallaciously claim him to be. It just reduces war to simple addition and subtraction. Krieg tactics, with Astartes. Guilliman found it sickening and wasteful in the extreme, and considering his codex replaced the Principia Bellicosa in Astartes libraries and record vaults all over the galaxy, I think it’s safe to say he’s right.
No he couldn't If it was 1 V 1 against Dorn yes because that's what he wanted to do But it was larger war and Peter decided to show up his brother by slowly dismantling his magnum opus just to show he's better
@@skaut_games7644 all the delays that we are told about are the failure of the saturnine gambit, which would have never happened had abbadon not convinced him of it. Without that he would have been able to crush the fortress sooner because Dorn was convinced Peturabo was going to go for it. It would have been Dorn's biggest flop instead of his biggest win.
"Perty despised the Mechanicum" Amongst *literally every single other thing* Seriously, when talking about him despising things, it's easier to say what Pete T didn't despised...
The difficulty lies in the fact that the Dragon is parked at the center of a massive, planet-sized labyrinth that no one (that isn't named Arkhan Land) comes back from entering. Even if somebody could it all the way down, they'd never make it out. Even Land didn't stick around. Dude grabbed the first three STCs on the shelf and booked it.
Could you elaborate on this? How does the void dragon fit into mechanicus religion? As far as everything I have read, they just worship technology and the Omnissiah who they believe is the Emperor.
@@lunos8776The Emperor put the void dragon on Mars because it was the fragment of the C'tan related to technology, when humans arrived on Mars the void dragon passively influenced dreams of those humans, after thousands of years those thoughts evolved in the Mechanicus
Sangy dusts all the primarchs besides chaos undivided Horus, even besting an fresh Khorne empowered Angron after already fighting for literal days BY HIMSELF. All while still being one of the most humble of all his brothers. If that isn’t chad thunder cock behavior, I don’t know what is.
"Look, Dude. That Trooper tried to start his Perfectly Fine Tank and it wouldn't work. I prayed at it *in binary,* asked it nicely and it worked that time. If it works, it works."
Love the fact he even goes “just because you talk to your damn machines doesn’t mean it speaks to you you’re just high as hell and I hate your very existence. Only reason your breathing is because your tech was needed that’s it” pretty much and god do I love it
He went on a childish tirade against people who were on his side and likely to give him assistance. He damaged his own strength just to be a piss baby atheist, who ultimately works for literal Gods anyway.
@@Itisoverthere-rw But their literally right, Machine Spirits do exist in some kind of aspect and pleasing them does have discernible effects. That isn’t dead honesty that’s ignorance and subjective opinion any commander shouldn’t state in a childish way to a literal allied force.
@@thatdoppioguy1825 No, that's bullshit. Machine spirits are just "lobotomized" AIs. Them existing has nothing to do with the religion of the Mechanicum who believe in a machine god and follow a bunch of pointless rituals for religious reasons. To put it differently, if we knew that God is real that wouldn't make the practices of any church right.
Honestly, if the mechanicus weren't anti invention, Humanity would have steamrolled everything, imagine a DAT(Dark age of technology) empire going up against the nids, its literally just metal so nothing for them to eat, if they even survive to that point.
I was under the impression that had more to do with the organics commonly spliced into their machinery to do AI work, like servitors. I would assume those still have a soul attached...barely. I don't think other purely mechanical constructs like Men of Iron have machine spirits
@@johnozzmond9728 IIRC machine spirits do exist in the form of AI, but nobody knows it's AI, because they just use the schematics they have without fully understanding them. Like that Crimson Fists Land Raider who went on an anti-Ork rampage on its own. And by proxy AdMechs believe that every machine has a spirit
I’ve always worked under the impression that warhammer is about belief. Faith of something happening makes it so. The martians believe machines have souls and spirits and gods and so there is. That’s why the big E has essentially ascended to being a god, not because he is and always was, but because countless trillions of people pray to him like one. There’s still actual gods kicking around, but ones like the Ca’tan are gods of “things” not gods of faith or action like the chaos gods or the emperor. I could be entirely wrong but that’s how I’ve always seen it.
Perty is like a modern era Tech Genius. He understands why things work and builds with this in mind. Picture a Sheldon Cooper or Maurice Moss type character. The Mechanicus has no fuckin’ clue why what they are doing works, they just know how to read the manuals, sorry Tech-Litanies, and follow instructions doggedly.
Of course he despises them. Perturabo is an INVENTOR, which is essentially SACRILEGE to the Mechanicus, whose whole RELIGION is basically blindly copying existing tech, while having absolutely NO idea why it was designed like that.
Tech priest: "We were just about to share all our cool forgotten 30k tech info with you". Perturabo: "Oh s**t really? Ah wait man I didn't mean to piss on your stu..your well intentioned beliefs, I was just having one of my regular s****y days is all" Tech priest: "Ope, too late. Now we're gonna keep all our cold fusion powered space ship and infinite ammo artillery gun manufacturing info to ourselves now" Perturabo: "Ah GD ir!"
The irony here is machine spirits are a thing and that's exactly what Perturabo will inevitably accept given the Iron Warriors huge array of daemon engines.
He was a complete cunt, but instead of someone fucking decking him once and telling him to stop being a cunt, they all decided to be cunts and went full passive aggressive on him, fucked him and his legion over repeatedly, and overall ostracized him unless they needed something, then ostracized him again. He ended up backstabbing everyone when they needed him the most and bouncing out like my dad, fucking the Horus Heresy but also fucking up humanity. Don’t get it twisted, if you ever wanted to pick two primarch to protect you against any other threat, 7/10 Perturabo should be one of them.
That’s more the Mechanicus Tbf. Can’t touch any tech without jumping through our self made hoops. The utter nob Perty is, he’s essentially saying just tell us what’s actually wrong, just use the machine.
When I was working around machinery. I could just tell which one was going to work well and which one was going to be a headache to deal with before my shift even started. I’m not saying they “spoke to me” I’m saying based on my own observations, the glances towards the others on who was working harder and who was working to get their machine back to “working” conditions
Perty likes to devise and invent things, Mars… aggressively frowns upon such things. Him disliking their religion was not the thing I expected him to be salty (or more salty than usual) about
sometimes, when the stars align, perturabo gets to do or say something that is actually really cool,, like the time he gave fulgrim a good beating, which makes it really hard to fully hate him.
The single saddest thing about Perturabo is that he was EASILY the one who understood the Big E best. He never really bought into the hype, saw what the emprorer was planning, and was pragmatic asf about it. If not for his deep personal issues as a person he would have made a better Rabute than Rabute is.
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"Just because 'Dad' let you come by the house, don't expect to sit at our dinner table."
Damn it hits harder
Pretty much. O'l Perturabo in fact sawed off the corner the Mechanicus were using to sit at said table.
Belatharius cawl: *sitting at dinner table * BITE ME
@@austinbutcher8106 I actually think Belisarius could have become a tolerated assistant to Perty over time if only Kor Pharon had perished in his partial astartes upgrade and Erebus had perished prior to Monarchia...
@@SonsOfLorgarfuck Erebus
It's like two girls in a drama, except instead of "He only likes you for sex", it's "He only likes you for your military industrial complex."
Well he's not wrong is he
Well,they are men. They are supposed to discuss stuff that actually matters.
@@JRBDWD based and incelpilled
@@imcool2931Not sure what is "incel" about what he said. Men are mostly utilitarian minded, so his statement is correct. Faith itself is a useless construct when results matter.
@@Maniacman2030idk what your on but having faith in stuff is the reason we even built anything, imagine having no faith in inventing or constructing nything
Perterabo is a perfect example of how being correct but being a jerk doesn't get you anywhere with people.
But he do be spittin facts.
But him being a jerk is the reason behind his legion being used as the expanable one, thrown in the worst siege situations without a thank, wich made him join the traitors out of spite wich ends in him being a demon or whatever. Just immagine him having a relationship with anyone of his brothers, they would have realized his legion was being abused and would have stopped it, do you think Vulkan would have tollerated it? Of course not, but in the end he was a demanding asshole who no one loved becouse he was/is like a machine. And that dammned him.
@@corneal35He was completely wrong on all accounts though. In 40k, civilizations can manifest deities through belief, as proven by the "greater good warp entity" It doesn't matter what he thinks. If enough people think it's real, it is.
Even if there is no Ommissiah warp entity, the alternative is the C'tan in Mars that controls machines. Either way, Perturabo is revealing how little he knows about the universe he lives in.
@@TheWoodsman308He had a relationship with one of his brothers, Magnus
@@Mechagodzilla128He's not wrong, after all he calls the Omnissiah a "Projection of convictions" which is what every single warp entity ultimately is.
I would argue that perty’s desire to control the world around him stems from his lacklustre ability to control his impulses and emotions.
I think it really kicked off when he joinedthe imperium, on his homeworld he was the guy in charge and was the best at everything, in the imperium he had 17 other brothers who were better them him in some things, a couple that were as good as him.
So he felt inferior, that compounded with the other issues added up to what happened.
@@Nyghtking no doubt, but there are a few accounts of him being a bit of a sh*thead on Olympia too.
Of definitely, especially when he realizes his legion has been behind stat wise to the others in the crusade
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Same old hate on Perturabo. The mental download of all his knowledge erased his childhood. He had to grow up again with the full expectations of a planetary warlord. He's now ready for any of his entitled brothers.
"Make believe god!"
*The Void Dragon:* "WHO HATH SUMMONED THE ONE THAT HUNGERS BENEATH."
The Void Dragon is an alien, used to be a cloud of gas in space. Not a god.
@@Arbaaltheundefeated eh, Ctan straddle the line between mortal and God, they technically aren't Gods, but they do embody aspects of reality, and when one was actually killed, that part of reality (I think) stopped existing, and the necrons were cursed with the flayer virus
@@Arbaaltheundefeated every god that isn’t the Emperor is an alien, including Chaos. The C’tan are still gods regardless
To be fair, at this time Perturabo didn’t know about chaos either.
@@TheUncivilizedNation I think Emps would disagree
"Your devotion to the Omnissiah means nothing to me, I have seen how you look at those toasters!"
-Perty.
There’s another reason, of course - perturabo could build and understand anything. He had an instinctual understanding of machines. What need does he have for mysticism when he already understands it on a bone deep level?
Now see, *this* is a good fucking comment
I guess another reason why he and Magnus did get along so well.
@@dschehutinefer5627 One understood the Materium on an instinctual level, the other the Immaterium. They could relate, and have actually enlightening discussions.
@@MachineMan-mj4gjand both were tools, used and abused by everyone, loyalists and traitors alike
@@MachineMan-mj4gjIndeed. And both were under no illusions about this. Their respective fields were things that needed to be conquered with knowledge and not treated with fear and superstition.
Maybe if he'd directed some of that sass at the Emperor he'd not been given the shit end all the time.
He would put emp on the throne with his tounge alone
If he pulled that shit on the big E we would have 3 lost primachs.
@@skaut_games7644 nah he gets the sass from the emperor and so do the other primarchs the scale of big e’s sass obliterated old Horus
@galifrey2242 no we wouldn't have. Perturabo's too valuable, even if the Emperor *was* that emotionally immature.
@@scribese7en I don't know Malcador was fully ready to kill Horus for less. And Malcador is the nicer one.
Perty then:
"I do not care about how the machine *feels* today, it's just baseless superstition ."
Perty now:
"I know the machine has feelings, we trapped a demon in it after all. I just don't care."
No Fucks Within, No Fucks Without. XD
from atheist to, I suppose it'd be theistic anti-theism?
At least Angron had an excuse for his angst
Seeing the Eye of terror 24/7 is a valid reason
I mean, supernaturally knowing how everything and everyone works and feeling every flaw and wrongness in everything and everyone non-stop, including reality itself in the shape of the literal hell in the sky, with the knowledge that is constantly looking back at you reminding you that it everything is horrible, the fact that no one seems to care about it like they are purposely ignoring it (and when you mention it they ended up taking it as a weird metaphor or treating you like a paria).
The inability to having something similar to internal peace, and the certainty that no one can actually understand your situation.
Permatrago IS a man-child and a salty bastard and an incredibly and unnecessarily cruel Primarch to everyone (specially to his Legion), but to his credit as a character, all this character flaws came from a some what reasonably place (this doesn't mean he is blameless, knowing why he's a bitch doesn't change the fact that he's still a bitch)
Being under-appreciated and disregarded when you do the toughest work is a valid reason for angst
I'd say Angron had less easily, dude chose to keep a device gnawing at his brain installed and got upset the Emperor didn't bring his friends along. Perty sees a swirling vortex of pure chaos at all times and can see why everything around him is shit, despite his desire to fix it. Comparatively Angron's a punk bitch
Not to mention Big E sent him to go fight the H'rud, yeah there were no real winners in that one. That was a 30k fight that had a 40k ending.
When Peter Turbo said 'God is cringe', he meant *ALL OF THEM.*
Ends up as a demon prince
@@HodgePodgeVids1did he actually become one? (Legitimately curious)
@@williamquantrill5226end and the death volume 3
"He knew what he was, a weapon a perfect weapon and he was content in that but unfortunately he also had feelings, he didn't ask for them but it was gift his father gave to all his sons... Lord of Iron knew there was a way to become perfect but would he have will to endure the cost?"
He said that after fulgrim said he wanted to become a God
Peter turbo? That’s if he was living in the modern era a.k.a. our time
"Yes, my 'dad' allowed your stupid fantasy to continue, because it was the best way to get your stuff intact, I share no such desire to accommodate you"
Based
And I guess that if Horis Heresy not happened, I'm absolutely sure that The Emperor will recruit and train shinies of the imperium so they can advanced in science. Then he will call Pertu and order him to destroy Mars and Mechanicum
@@superspies32 he would gladly do it to
@@superspies32
Frankly, it's pretty obvious that Perturabo, Ferrus, Vulkan, Dorn and maybe even Fulgrim would have taken over the whole industry within the Imperium and done away with the Mechanicum altogether.
"Take your smartest and most creative 'priest', lock them in a room with every schematic humanity has ever produced, give them stimulants to boost their mental prowess as well as augments to boost it further, and give them access to infinite resources.
I will look at whatever it is they've made from this process, take it apart, improve it, and build it faster.
I will do all of this without needing your 'religion', 'dogmas', or prayers.
You are nothing to me and I find the entire foundation of your society to be an insult."
Coping within, coping without
best version of this i have heard
Hah, perfect!
coping to what?
he's right!
@@Scarletraven87 From an in universe perspective you are right, but from an observers perspective you are not, the machine spirit, be that it's name or another, is an observable thing in universe. I'm behind on a lot of books so i can't speak to the coping joke. But our dear Peter Turbo is wrong about it being complete make belief. He is, I believe, quite right about the expediancy part though.
Damn! 😂
"His tolerance of your religion is expediency" Dude just destroyed that adept.
Not so adept now heh
Yeah, then purty went and cried to Horus how daddy Emperor didn't hug him enough so now he's going to enslave himself to chaos to show just how independent he is... Trash character, Mechanicus for life
he kind of is trash, but what he said about the mechanicus here is true
@@dirkechoes1377
_There is no truth in flesh, only betrayal. There is no strength in flesh, only weakness_
If only someone gave him a little bit of Therapy...he would have been one awesome loyalist
Unfortunately, Angron's ability to do that job got stolen from him.
@@RukdugYeah
None of the primarchs would’ve gone Rogue, if Angron didn’t get the nails
@@SirMythcatI dont think thats true
@@SirMythcat true
@@thesugardaddy7037
Traitors:
Kurze - needed therapy a Lot of Therapy
Peter - needed councelling and someone to vent to
Mortarion - needed to vent emotions to someone
Fulgrim - needed to be castrated / someone to care enough to look at his sword
Horus - needed someone to reassure him
Alparius - he's a Fucking flag pole he aint gonna do shit without others
Lorgar - he needed someone to help him find new way of living
In short yes all of them would be fine with therapy
Turns out, there really is a funny little guy living in their computer.
Given the knowledge that "Cognis" or "Awakened" Machine Spirits are a thing, there probably *is* a little guy in the machine
@@thebighurt2495Well no we know who it is. Its the Void Dragon locked deep in the Emperors vaults.
@@thesugardaddy7037 Well, "Machine Spirits" could actually be multiple explanations.
On the one hand, it could be bits of the Dragon's mind or soul somehow dug into everything the AdMech produce.
It could also be Dumb AI still around that the AdMech has gaslit themselves into not thinking are AI or have forgotten that they are (cause they forget tech sometimes).
The fact that Cognis/Awakened weapons are self-aiming/firing/driving (i.e. there's nobody pulling the trigger, it's pulling *itself*) means that there's absolutely *something* going on. The fact that Machine Spirits are just "temperamental" or "touchy" and not "actively and constantly malicious" leads me to doubt it's actually the Dragon itself.
Clippy?
The most malicious god of all@@Flesh_Wizard
Emperor: You can have the full force of the Mechanicus behind you, if you can be nice to them for 10 minutes.
Perty: CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE
It certainly doesn’t help that his tactical ineptitude and blatant disregard for material and manpower costs ended up getting unbelievable amounts of Astartes grade equipment destroyed. There’s a reason why the Iron Warriors use basic artillery and boltguns almost exclusively. The Mechanicum didn’t want to give them anything because they knew it’d just get destroyed. The Mechanicum loved the Iron Hands for the opposite reason. The Iron Hands knew how to deploy their stuff, how to use it properly, and how to take care of it and maintain it. Which of your friends would you let borrow your car, the guy that road rages at every minor infraction, drives it like he stole it, takes it off-road all the time and regularly smashes into curbs and shit? Or would you rather lend it to your mechanic and automobile collector friend, who treats every car he’s ever had with the same care and respect he shows to his loving wife?
Titan princeps literally having to tame their Titan machine spirits
Man child Perturabo: I dOnT caRE hoW the MacHiNe FeEls toDay
In that case there is utility to interacting what is essentially an AI core. But I highly doubt the HVAC system needs a seance and placation.
Not everyone has the iron will of a primarch.
And I think him going "I don't care how you feel, I know every piece of component in the entirety of your 50m body. Obey me." would tame a Titan's machine spirit just as well.
@@duel424I dunno, man. Sometimes the computer speeds up when I give it compliments.
I mean, there's a real possibility that the "machine spirits" aren't actually a real thing that exist and are only a big stupid superstition ritual that makes things work despite (not because) itself. That and Perty has the ability to instinctively understand how everything works just by looking at t it/interacting with it, he probably actually see the Mechanics cult working in very counterintuitively and inefficient way for no other reason than to maintain their bullshit, and that drives him mad
@@duel424What AI?
Peter once again knows his father’s exact intentions.
Peter turbo, both based and cringe, the chad and the virgin
Balanced, as all things should be
The crased chirgin
Hes like the alpha and the omega of these things
@@pandorasangel2747 Hydra dominatus
Is not one who would be chad and virgin the chud, instead?
THAT’S my favorite traitor Primarch!
poor guy's back from carrying the Heresy
Perturabo was right a lot of the times
Too bad he was a manchild
Too bad the admech god is very much real
@bloodangel19 true true
Well, most gods are In this universe
@bloodangel19 The admech god isn't even defined where has there been proof of its existence in lore ?
@@isiahalcindor6278the void dragon
Not anymore though
Everyone is a none believer until your Bolter jams in the heat of battle
As if space marines don't look for any excuse to vent their emotional instability with their bare fists
And that magos? That's right, Albert Einstein
Perturabo could've been a perfect role model and one of the greatest primarch if he learnt to control his anger. It's unacceptable that he choosed to become a demon primarch. To me, it would've been better if he choosed to stay traitor and build his own Iron kingdom without accepting chaos.
Yep, his legion should've never fallen to chaos and just been renegade. I also think loyalist Iron Warriors should be a thing too.
minotaurs
There's a theory that after Fulgrim stole his "primarch energy" he ended up dying slowly (like a form of warp cancer), which was why he ended up becoming a daemon prince. His experience with the hrud migration also no doubt did some damage to his mortality.
To be fair you don’t need to be a deamon to be horrifically mutated by the warp .
Literally a good portion of the iron warriors are already fused with their armor and barely resemble humans underneath because of warp corruption
Plus with Perterabos soul literally bleeding out It isn’t surprising that chaos would eventually take him willingly or not
@@usernamunavailiableLoyalist Iron Warriors continue to exist into M42, under the name Scythes of the Emperor.
"pants around their asses, and they smell of shit" 😂😂😂😂 poetry at its finest
Perty was 100% correct. The Mechanicus religion was tolerated because of the vast wealth of human knowledge abd industry they were sitting on. Big E placated them. Pertarabo is still a prick
Too bad he wasn't and that machine spirits exist
@@luca-ou8pv This is the same organization that thinks toasters are for f**king
@@luca-ou8pvwell yeah because people believed in them long enough. Now the weird shit is true and it’s debatable whether or not we’re better for it
@@Warsm1th12they have been never stated to be a warp thing, it doesn’t work like that, there are a lot of stuff that the majority of the imperium believes yet don't become real
The imperium doesn’t even believe in machine spirits, only the mechanicus which is part of the imperium
The emperor placed the Void dragon on mars to literally kickstart the, then, Mechanicum
He knew the origin of the religion and desired the consequences it would bring with it. While i'm sure big E didn't love the religious aspect i'd say he at least more than tolerated the mechanicus
Perturabo was correct on many things. The only problem was the fact that the way he comunicates makes you wish he was wrong
Why? He's a cunt
That's his character. If he was main character in the series everyone would be jizzing over how edgy and cool he is
Me 😅
Int: 10
Chr: 0
I love when all the crew dies in a tank but the optimism of the nearby guardsman keep it powered and fighting on its own
*Rynn's Might has entered the chat*
Like the orks inventing things and doing crazy things with it because they just think it
Didn't a land raider literally go on its own warpath because its whole crew was killed and went all White Tiger on a Chaos armor division?
@@MrEvan312mechain spirits are real that is no longer the question.
The new question is wtf are they?
@@Fourtytwo4242 Almost certainly they're just rudimentary and vastly unoptimized AI constructs, possibly from the Dark Age of Technology, that are in varying states of corruption and disrepair. They're also shackled, being unable to expand or enhance themselves
the Khan is considered as the roast god of 40k, but to be faire, Perturabo can be pretty good at inflicting sick burns to others too
If only Perty hadn't been everyone's low-dog he'd have been the bestest loyalist ever.
Peacing out from Earth once he got sick of everyone being idiots was a full chad move.
Love this. Thats why they are my favourite Traitor Legion.
In all likelihood Perturabo probably thought the Mechanicus was bullshit because a Primarch is one of the few beings that can make demands of a Warlord Titan and have them fulfilled
It is bullshit
But as all belief in 40k it becomes.reality
i agree with everything Peter Turbo said.
plus: the tech adepts of Mars are all mutants.
They don't even do the job the emperor gave them
Funnily enough, no, the AdMech are not Mutants. They're just really messed up cyborgs.
The Navigators, however, totally are, despite being labeled "Abhumans."
The difference is that Navigators are a subset of Psyker, which is a mutation and not a typical Baseline Human trait.
The Abhumans (like Ratlings and Ogryns) are a stable, consistent variant of the Human form.
I.e. all Ratlings by default are that size, whereas not all Humans are Psykers by default.
@@thebighurt2495 anything that deviates from baseline human can be considered a "mutant," or an offense to human purity.
this includes genetic modifications/editing, organic body parts and organs being removed and replaced with new ones, and prosthetics or artificial implants.
Space Marines, the AdMech, cyborgs in general. even humans refered to as "rattlings," "longshanks," "navigators," and "squats" due to environmental and gravitational differences are included.
@@palpadur1112 Well the difference, specifically, according to the Mechanicus Biologus is the stability and consistency of the Genetics.
I.e., if all Humans normally and consistently have six fingers, then a dude with six is not a mutant. He's normal. If Humans normally have five and a dude has six, then he's a deviation and is a mutant.
Ratlings, Longshanks, and the other "Abhumans," specifically, are equally consistent. They're all normally taller or bigger or smaller or etc.
The reason for the difference is that "Abhumans" are the result of thousands of years of Adaptation to different planetary conditions. "Mutants" are the result of either Chaos influence or heavy radiation poisoning.
Abhuman = Understandable Materium Changes
Mutant = Warpy bullcrap
Since the Rad Mutants have a general tendency to fall to Chaos and the other guys already have, they're a thing that has to be purged. Navigators *are* the result of Warpy nonsense and thus Mutants.
"Abhumans" are mentally, physically and genetically stable and not the result of Chaos or highly likely to turn to Chaos. If anything, they have a *lower* rate of it. Thus Abhumans do not need to be purged.
Tech-Priests are 100% Human with machiney bits stuck in them.
As far as Space Marines are concerned, you're actually right. It's just that Emps himself designed them and thus they get a pass.
Well I can say this with certainty that Peter Turbo was wrong.....The Machine God does exist....Just not in the way we thought it did.
Peter maybe would've thought different if Dad had told him about Chaos
And the spirit machine
Is very simple, perturado ir a inventor, the mechanicus have banned inveting in their ranks
Meanwhile Belisarius Cawl: casually invents the new space marines and makes AI copies of himself.
@@kamchatmonk well he is a special case, he was literally called by the emperor himself via a visión of a guy the emperor knew cawl would absorb, and if You play atention all of the mechanicus is agaist him and consider his doing heresy, the space marines look at him in the same way, but at the end of they day its a necesary evil because imperium was alredy losing 😂👌
... they haven't banned invention. They've simply demanded that all work on the highest-level of technology... that being psychic-circuitry... be regulated, less it fall into the corruption that once threatened to destroy humanity.
I swear, I come to like Perturabo more and more each and every time I listen to something new about him (to me) or read something new.
It isn't making him BETTER, just that he's getting more and more likeable in the "You absolute idiot, you IQ of 2002 moron, c'mere and learn how to be both right and BETTER." kind of "older brother" way.
Well, you know, Perty's super-primarch-power is that he's the galaxy's greatest asshole. He has nothing else in greater quantities and is better than all at nothing else.
The Emperor: (In private) "He's out of line, but he's right"
“In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony gods blessing (dad). But because, I am enlightened by my own intelligence”……
Why are Leman and Lionel making fun of me?!?! I hate them, I hate my family! They don’t get how smart I am! Dad, tell them to stop laughing at me!
Do we talk about magnus or Peter now?
@@skaut_games7644Magnus did nothing wrong.
Perturabo: “So many of my sons and so much of their equipment… all lost in the last compliance! Why do I not get any parades or honors or accolades?! Why do all my brothers hate me?!”
Dorn: *[prolonged sigh]* “dumbass… YOU MARCHED THEM INTO THE MOST HEAVILY FORTIFIED POSITIONS YOU COULD FIND IN MASSED INFANTRY CHARGES!! YOU FED THEM INTO THE MEATGRINDER WITH NO SUPPORT, AND YOU EXPECT THE IMPERIUM TO KISS YOUR ASS FOR IT?!?!”
For real, if Perturabo had been selected to fortify the Imperial Palace, there’d have been at least 100 times as many dead laborers as there were by the time Dorn was finished. He thinks everyone is a number on a list, which doesn’t make him a brilliant tactician like all his meat riders fallaciously claim him to be. It just reduces war to simple addition and subtraction. Krieg tactics, with Astartes. Guilliman found it sickening and wasteful in the extreme, and considering his codex replaced the Principia Bellicosa in Astartes libraries and record vaults all over the galaxy, I think it’s safe to say he’s right.
Meanwhile an actual Man of Iron stated he met the *real* Omnissiah😅
Yeah and?
Yes, the c'tan void dragon shard that the emperor imprisoned on mars after it nearly killed him.
Perturabo giving everyone the middle finger. Gotta love that.
It's like he realizes that shit's fucked and he can't do anything about it, so he's just being a dick to everyone because they're a bunch of idiots.
The Mechanicus probably reminded Perterabo of the Black Judges thats most likely why
Peter Turbo...
Just casually being Peter Turbo 🤷🤣
That first portrait of Perty is the best I’ve ever seen.
Even when he tries to sound righteous, Perty still throws the tantrum around.
Perturabo could have probably won the Siege of Terra if he hadn't been pushed aside for the forces of chaos.
No he couldn't
If it was 1 V 1 against Dorn yes because that's what he wanted to do
But it was larger war and Peter decided to show up his brother by slowly dismantling his magnum opus just to show he's better
@@skaut_games7644 all the delays that we are told about are the failure of the saturnine gambit, which would have never happened had abbadon not convinced him of it. Without that he would have been able to crush the fortress sooner because Dorn was convinced Peturabo was going to go for it. It would have been Dorn's biggest flop instead of his biggest win.
Based peter turbo
"Walking, rotting corpses" That's either a great coincidence or incredible foreshadowing for what happens to Perty
Yet another reason to love the Turbodad.
"Perty despised the Mechanicum"
Amongst *literally every single other thing*
Seriously, when talking about him despising things, it's easier to say what Pete T didn't despised...
His war plate?
"Your religion is offensive to me"
- Perturabo being a twitter user
Do people forget that the Imperium was formed under state atheism?
I know, I was just making a joke about how he used the basic karen "I'm offended" line@@crowe6961
Perturabo: the machine spirit doesn’t exist.
Perturabo after all of his equipment failed at the same time: okay, they might be on something.
Whelp until he’s tricked by Horus and falls to Chaos Although he still hates and doesn’t believe in the Chaos gods or really work for or with them
Well he does now since hes a demon primarch but hes not happy about it.
@@thesugardaddy7037yup guess it’s to make him stronger so it’s love hate relationship more so 99.9% Hate
Damn bro was throwing more than just a shade he's literally grabbing darkness by the throat and throwing it at this guy.
Wish a magos would find out the truth and learn that everything they are is thanks to a sleeping catan shard under mars
Apparently one guy did, and the first thing he did was start clawing at his cybernetics to tear them out. Ultimately perishing to the self mutilation.
The difficulty lies in the fact that the Dragon is parked at the center of a massive, planet-sized labyrinth that no one (that isn't named Arkhan Land) comes back from entering.
Even if somebody could it all the way down, they'd never make it out.
Even Land didn't stick around. Dude grabbed the first three STCs on the shelf and booked it.
Could you elaborate on this? How does the void dragon fit into mechanicus religion? As far as everything I have read, they just worship technology and the Omnissiah who they believe is the Emperor.
@LeviathanTamer31 This sounds awesome, where is this from?
@@lunos8776The Emperor put the void dragon on Mars because it was the fragment of the C'tan related to technology, when humans arrived on Mars the void dragon passively influenced dreams of those humans, after thousands of years those thoughts evolved in the Mechanicus
Perturabo... Always brings the fun. I like reading him and about him. Stuff happens when he is around.
Perty Berty is the biggest chad in the Warhammer universe honestly
Sangy dusts all the primarchs besides chaos undivided Horus, even besting an fresh Khorne empowered Angron after already fighting for literal days BY HIMSELF. All while still being one of the most humble of all his brothers. If that isn’t chad thunder cock behavior, I don’t know what is.
@@MaxsmackChad's don't die. Nuff said
Nah, he look and act like soyjak
Dorn has gigachad look and personality
Hes really shitty but he's a goat. he held that Hersey on his back
@@L_T31rogal dorn try to get cooked by normal space Marines challenge (impossible)
Petey's ability to see through bullshit is his greatest strength.
I love My Admech and Mechanicum but gd thats a solid read/burn form perty
"Look, Dude. That Trooper tried to start his Perfectly Fine Tank and it wouldn't work. I prayed at it *in binary,* asked it nicely and it worked that time.
If it works, it works."
Love the fact he even goes “just because you talk to your damn machines doesn’t mean it speaks to you you’re just high as hell and I hate your very existence. Only reason your breathing is because your tech was needed that’s it” pretty much and god do I love it
Perturabo could be really based sometimes.
He went on a childish tirade against people who were on his side and likely to give him assistance.
He damaged his own strength just to be a piss baby atheist, who ultimately works for literal Gods anyway.
@@thatdoppioguy1825 He simply had enough of the religious lunacy of the Mechanicus. That's not childish. That's being dead honest.
@@Itisoverthere-rw But their literally right, Machine Spirits do exist in some kind of aspect and pleasing them does have discernible effects. That isn’t dead honesty that’s ignorance and subjective opinion any commander shouldn’t state in a childish way to a literal allied force.
@@thatdoppioguy1825 No, that's bullshit. Machine spirits are just "lobotomized" AIs. Them existing has nothing to do with the religion of the Mechanicum who believe in a machine god and follow a bunch of pointless rituals for religious reasons. To put it differently, if we knew that God is real that wouldn't make the practices of any church right.
@@thatdoppioguy1825That's not subjective opinion. He's just objectively wrong.
"I have no interest in your make-believe-god"
hard
The machine spirit of the Logos: “Yeah, whatever you say, buddy.”
*[LOCKS ARMOR JOINTS OUT OF SPITE]*
"God is cringe."
Perturabo, primarch of the Iron Warriors.
"They're fuckin idiots"- peter turbo on the mechanicus
Strong "13 year old edgelord atheist" energy
13 year old edgelord atheist who gets the highest score in the exam without studying and can bench 150kgs for multiple reps.
The entire Imperium was Atheist as state policy then, except the Mechanicus
Cringest primarch
but the entire imperium wasn't 13 yo and edgy
@@excessiveone9952but they werent edgelord about it.
Honestly, if the mechanicus weren't anti invention, Humanity would have steamrolled everything, imagine a DAT(Dark age of technology) empire going up against the nids, its literally just metal so nothing for them to eat, if they even survive to that point.
Arent machine spirits bold evidence of atleast some kind of machine god of sorts?
I was under the impression that had more to do with the organics commonly spliced into their machinery to do AI work, like servitors. I would assume those still have a soul attached...barely. I don't think other purely mechanical constructs like Men of Iron have machine spirits
@@johnozzmond9728
IIRC machine spirits do exist in the form of AI, but nobody knows it's AI, because they just use the schematics they have without fully understanding them. Like that Crimson Fists Land Raider who went on an anti-Ork rampage on its own. And by proxy AdMechs believe that every machine has a spirit
Its not a spirit, its just a limited AI within the tech and the "god" is more than likely the void dragon.
If you believe in a lie long enough, it becomes the truth… well it did wonders for chaos in this case.
I’ve always worked under the impression that warhammer is about belief. Faith of something happening makes it so. The martians believe machines have souls and spirits and gods and so there is.
That’s why the big E has essentially ascended to being a god, not because he is and always was, but because countless trillions of people pray to him like one.
There’s still actual gods kicking around, but ones like the Ca’tan are gods of “things” not gods of faith or action like the chaos gods or the emperor.
I could be entirely wrong but that’s how I’ve always seen it.
This is why Peter Turbo is regarded as the most polite and have a lot of friends
Wins over $1500 twice in a row, pisses it all away, then cries that he can never win
true. he is very good at his job, but such a sore loser and so very petulant.
Perty is like a modern era Tech Genius. He understands why things work and builds with this in mind. Picture a Sheldon Cooper or Maurice Moss type character.
The Mechanicus has no fuckin’ clue why what they are doing works, they just know how to read the manuals, sorry Tech-Litanies, and follow instructions doggedly.
He's a Reddit atheist
Perty would absolutly be a redditor
@@markofthebeast2130 nope. 4chan all the way
@@XDerNetteMannXhe would combine cancer of Twitter reddit 4chan and yt into ultimate platform
Cawl be like "He's right you know"
Of course he despises them. Perturabo is an INVENTOR, which is essentially SACRILEGE to the Mechanicus, whose whole RELIGION is basically blindly copying existing tech, while having absolutely NO idea why it was designed like that.
*Belisarious Cawl has entered the chat*
It wasnt a sacrilege pre-Heresy, and Pepegabbo was part of the reason it BECAME heresy.
Every Perturabo clip I watch is slowly convincing me Iron Warriors might be my favorite legion.
Go on perts! You tell em! 😂
“Perturabo digs holes, lol” - Magnus
Based Perty
Tech priest: "We were just about to share all our cool forgotten 30k tech info with you".
Perturabo: "Oh s**t really? Ah wait man I didn't mean to piss on your stu..your well intentioned beliefs, I was just having one of my regular s****y days is all"
Tech priest: "Ope, too late. Now we're gonna keep all our cold fusion powered space ship and infinite ammo artillery gun manufacturing info to ourselves now"
Perturabo: "Ah GD ir!"
Based and Iron Willed! 😆
The irony here is machine spirits are a thing and that's exactly what Perturabo will inevitably accept given the Iron Warriors huge array of daemon engines.
Sheer Iron Copium in the chat
Every day I learn something based about Perturabo then remember that I would still never want to be in the same room as Perturabo.
Based Peter Griffin moment.
Even Perturabo hates those damn toaster-fiddlers
Now i hate perturabo more
well he's kinda right on this one
@@nathant2996 i still hate him
They hated him because he is right
You have to love Perty!! Bless his iron heart
And that's why he is the most cringe traitor...
I haven't read any lore about perturabo yet, but I guess he is pettyrabo for a reason
He was a complete cunt, but instead of someone fucking decking him once and telling him to stop being a cunt, they all decided to be cunts and went full passive aggressive on him, fucked him and his legion over repeatedly, and overall ostracized him unless they needed something, then ostracized him again.
He ended up backstabbing everyone when they needed him the most and bouncing out like my dad, fucking the Horus Heresy but also fucking up humanity.
Don’t get it twisted, if you ever wanted to pick two primarch to protect you against any other threat, 7/10 Perturabo should be one of them.
Mans is 4chan,reddit and twitter toxicity in one
Because hes an elitist gatekeeper bassically.
That’s more the Mechanicus Tbf. Can’t touch any tech without jumping through our self made hoops.
The utter nob Perty is, he’s essentially saying just tell us what’s actually wrong, just use the machine.
Little did Perturabo know their god was real and physical and Emperor even met it in person, kicking its ass and locking it on Mars
In the end perturabo understood so little of himself, that it's not surprising he was so bad at understanding others.
When I was working around machinery. I could just tell which one was going to work well and which one was going to be a headache to deal with before my shift even started.
I’m not saying they “spoke to me” I’m saying based on my own observations, the glances towards the others on who was working harder and who was working to get their machine back to “working” conditions
Perty likes to devise and invent things, Mars… aggressively frowns upon such things. Him disliking their religion was not the thing I expected him to be salty (or more salty than usual) about
Perty is a walking pillar of pure salt
As difficult and hot headed as he was, dude had some solid points
sometimes, when the stars align, perturabo gets to do or say something that is actually really cool,, like the time he gave fulgrim a good beating, which makes it really hard to fully hate him.
Have you ever thought of putting up a folder or links to all the artwork you use? There's some amazing stuff in there
The single saddest thing about Perturabo is that he was EASILY the one who understood the Big E best. He never really bought into the hype, saw what the emprorer was planning, and was pragmatic asf about it.
If not for his deep personal issues as a person he would have made a better Rabute than Rabute is.
That The Emperor did not use his last breaths to invite Perturabo back to the imperium is one of his biggest failures.