I would love to discuss the word _"extreme"_ with you sometime. I use a BBSHD 1000W 1.34 hp mid-drive with 160Nm of torque powered by a 58.8V 35Ah (2058Wh) lithium pack and turning a Rohloff Speedhub. Range on any ebike depends on the battery capacity, terrain, temperature, rider technique, tire pressure, rider input, and even altitude. Under the exact same circumstances an athlete not carrying the extra weight could ride much further than you did. I can put in a ten-hour day on a loaded touring ebike and ride 100+ miles easily with lunch, photo stops, and the occasional hit off the pipe while using only 85% battery capacity (1740Wh). Or I can slog uphill and through mud, sand, and gravel and get 65 miles on that same 85%, or race around hard flat surfaces at 35 mph for a couple of hours. The bike you're riding isn't meant for long-range rides... it's not meant for hard smooth surfaces either. Stop thinking about how *far* you can go and start seeing how *long* you can stay on the bike. BaFangs have some massive advantages over other mid-drives the best being that you don't have to buy a proprietary one-trick frame, or an overpriced battery, or their underpowered motor. It easy to have a way better ebike. Ride safe. - photos.app.goo.gl/ADgC6oyPM2gyrCq27
I think 400 W batteries are the goldilocks size. My Giant Trance Advanced E+ Elite 2 gets me 40 miles with 1800 ft vertical using 35 & 50NM settings and 75%-125% support level. At 66 I'm knackered at the end of the day. I actually have a lot of fun on uphills and still get that heart rate up.
On my specialized levo I just did 42 miles and 5400 feet of elevation gain and I'm 60 years old. I love these bikes! It's like a new lease on your youth. I delimited mine so I can pedal it up to 33 miles an hour on the street. I actually like doing street rides once in a while and preying on guys on their street bikes. I get behind them and put it in trail mode and go by them kind of slowly but I do pass them. Then they pick up their pace because they do not wanna get passed up by a 60 year old dude on his electric mountain bike. Then I put it in turbo and haul ass! There is just no way that they can sustain 30+ miles an hour for any length of time and I just blow them out the door. That's kind of dick-ish but it sure is fun
That bike had a light connected to the bike's battery. Usually Bosch systems, once you turn on the light from the diagnosis, the system will automatically keep reserve for the light, cutting the assistance earlier. On Bosch 4 with an 18W light the system cuts assistance at 10% battery.
@@SamsBikes it doesn't matter. Even if you don't mount the light at all but tell the system it has a light it will automatically put on reserve 2 hours for that light to run... I found this the hard way 😁
Well, I can climb 8000' on my Canyon Spectral ON CF8. A 65 mile ride with some good climbs is no problem, with battery left. I never use ECO. I go out and play for 3.5 hours blasting up and down in the park all on boost mode, and still have 2 bars left at least. 900WH battery. I like it a lot.
Awesome to hear this Sam! Does the SX have the tour+ and auto mode the cx does? I would think you could about double those numbers for a full day in eco, which is very impressive for a 400wh. Lets hope for some range extenders for the big days soon! And get these SX into other brands ASAP!
Thanks riders, Yes the SX has 2 automatic mode Tour+ and EMTB+, Yes I was blown away at the range for 400wh and yes they have a 250wh ranger extender and totally agree put it in eco and you should get alot more range
You channel is really awesome.. Can you consider adding in STRAVA Ride data? That would really add more depth of understanding for the riders to see the terrain profile. Thanks for your great content always!!!
How does the 55 Nm motor with a 400 WH compare to the 85Nm motor and 720 WH battery in terms of effort from the rider when climbing and longevity of battery power?
Hey Dennis maybe watch my mini review of the Bosch SX, it’s still a mid powered ebike so you need to put in more effort, it’s probably best you try one before buying one. It’s also there important what your group of riders ride SLs with full powered e-bikes still don’t mix that well
Hey Dennis maybe watch my mini review of the Bosch SX, it’s still a mid powered ebike so you need to put in more effort, it’s probably best you try one before buying one. It’s also there important what your group of riders ride SLs with full powered e-bikes still don’t mix that well
Dayum so this thing got 250m elevation per 100 Wh battery, compared to the 160-194m elevation per 100 Wh battery in the EP8/CX4/Brose/Syncdrive test. That's impressive, although if this thing did about 80% of the power output compared to the full power motors it would make sense.
I would like to see a review, for example, of a Specialized Turbo Levo with an 85Kg and 1,80 tall rider vs a Sepcialized Levo SL with a 65Kg and 1,70 tall rider. In this case the 65Kg rider is in better shape, the idea is to compare a raider with about 20Kg less and in better shape. The Specialized Turbo Levo, as a rule, would run at 40% of the motor’s power, being able to increase that percentage if necessary, and the Specialized Levo SL would be in the necessary percentage to keep up with the pace of the Specialized Turbo Levo. It can be with another brand, for example an Orbea full power and a 60Nm Orbea (Transition, Canyon, Giant…) As I have friends with full power bikes that weigh 85Kg, I would like to know to what extent I could keep up with them, at their pace, on a 50, 60Nm bike and for how many Km. In short, I would like to see how far a 50Nm, 60Nm bike can keep up with a full bike at +- 40% instead of the 100% of the motor’s power as in most reviews I know this is a custom request, but I believe that there are lots of riders with these doubts. Thanks in advance ;-)
wait, if you started at 830 and finished at sunset, its more than an 8 hour day.... what did you do for the 5 or 6 hours? i drain this bike in 3 hours not on turbo, and I get 1200hm....
@@SamsBikes i was just busting your batteries 😂. I'm a fan of your vids and the topics, since I'm still holding off on getting one of these fun machines. I rent to try out, we are getting closer but none passed my "test" yet. Worse thing is that After a few sodas I think I'm funny 🤣
Well there you go riders... a bloody long day in the saddle... I hope it helps maybe your decision on buying a Bosch SX motor !
I would love to discuss the word _"extreme"_ with you sometime. I use a BBSHD 1000W 1.34 hp mid-drive with 160Nm of torque powered by a 58.8V 35Ah (2058Wh) lithium pack and turning a Rohloff Speedhub. Range on any ebike depends on the battery capacity, terrain, temperature, rider technique, tire pressure, rider input, and even altitude. Under the exact same circumstances an athlete not carrying the extra weight could ride much further than you did. I can put in a ten-hour day on a loaded touring ebike and ride 100+ miles easily with lunch, photo stops, and the occasional hit off the pipe while using only 85% battery capacity (1740Wh). Or I can slog uphill and through mud, sand, and gravel and get 65 miles on that same 85%, or race around hard flat surfaces at 35 mph for a couple of hours. The bike you're riding isn't meant for long-range rides... it's not meant for hard smooth surfaces either. Stop thinking about how *far* you can go and start seeing how *long* you can stay on the bike. BaFangs have some massive advantages over other mid-drives the best being that you don't have to buy a proprietary one-trick frame, or an overpriced battery, or their underpowered motor. It easy to have a way better ebike. Ride safe. - photos.app.goo.gl/ADgC6oyPM2gyrCq27
Great ,Looking forward to this , Great work Sam
Thanks legend.
I think 400 W batteries are the goldilocks size. My Giant Trance Advanced E+ Elite 2 gets me 40 miles with 1800 ft vertical using 35 & 50NM settings and 75%-125% support level. At 66 I'm knackered at the end of the day. I actually have a lot of fun on uphills and still get that heart rate up.
Mate I would have to agree with you! I’m getting the Elite to test very soon can’t wait
On my specialized levo I just did 42 miles and 5400 feet of elevation gain and I'm 60 years old. I love these bikes! It's like a new lease on your youth. I delimited mine so I can pedal it up to 33 miles an hour on the street. I actually like doing street rides once in a while and preying on guys on their street bikes. I get behind them and put it in trail mode and go by them kind of slowly but I do pass them. Then they pick up their pace because they do not wanna get passed up by a 60 year old dude on his electric mountain bike. Then I put it in turbo and haul ass! There is just no way that they can sustain 30+ miles an hour for any length of time and I just blow them out the door. That's kind of dick-ish but it sure is fun
That bike had a light connected to the bike's battery. Usually Bosch systems, once you turn on the light from the diagnosis, the system will automatically keep reserve for the light, cutting the assistance earlier. On Bosch 4 with an 18W light the system cuts assistance at 10% battery.
Yes the bike had a light but I don’t think it would of done anything to the range seeing it wasn’t being used but maybe I’m wrong
@@SamsBikes it doesn't matter. Even if you don't mount the light at all but tell the system it has a light it will automatically put on reserve 2 hours for that light to run... I found this the hard way 😁
Well, I can climb 8000' on my Canyon Spectral ON CF8. A 65 mile ride with some good climbs is no problem, with battery left. I never use ECO. I go out and play for 3.5 hours blasting up and down in the park all on boost mode, and still have 2 bars left at least. 900WH battery.
I like it a lot.
Wow that’s mental!
How do you think it compares in power to the TQ and new Levo SL motor?
Do you think the trek marlin with 400 wh and the 50 mn bosch active line plus will have the same altitude difference?
Awesome to hear this Sam! Does the SX have the tour+ and auto mode the cx does? I would think you could about double those numbers for a full day in eco, which is very impressive for a 400wh. Lets hope for some range extenders for the big days soon! And get these SX into other brands ASAP!
Thanks riders, Yes the SX has 2 automatic mode Tour+ and EMTB+, Yes I was blown away at the range for 400wh and yes they have a 250wh ranger extender and totally agree put it in eco and you should get alot more range
Would love to see this exact test repeated with the Bosch CX Race, Brose Mag, Shimano EP8, TQ and Fazua.
Here it is with the Bosch, Brose, Yamaha and Shimano! I’m going to try and get it done on the TQ and Fazua soon!
ruclips.net/video/im8292V4IO4/видео.html
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great review as ever Sam. how do you feel the full power compares
Impressive results, are these going to be available in the Uk ?? And is the battery removable??
I think they will be available in the UK and no the battery is not removable without dropping the motor
@@SamsBikes Sorry Sam, have to add my comment to that. The battery is removable within 5 seconds :)
Cheers
Manu - M1
Sorry mate! It was a very long day! Thanks 🙏 for correcting me!
@@m1-sporttechnik703 That puts it on the shopping list for me, just need to find a UK dealer now, any suggestions please?
You channel is really awesome.. Can you consider adding in STRAVA Ride data? That would really add more depth of understanding for the riders to see the terrain profile. Thanks for your great content always!!!
Great suggestion! I normally do but this one was a very short video
Great suggestion! I normally do but this one was a very short video
How does the 55 Nm motor with a 400 WH compare to the 85Nm motor and 720 WH battery in terms of effort from the rider when climbing and longevity of battery power?
Hey Dennis maybe watch my mini review of the Bosch SX, it’s still a mid powered ebike so you need to put in more effort, it’s probably best you try one before buying one. It’s also there important what your group of riders ride SLs with full powered e-bikes still don’t mix that well
Hey Dennis maybe watch my mini review of the Bosch SX, it’s still a mid powered ebike so you need to put in more effort, it’s probably best you try one before buying one. It’s also there important what your group of riders ride SLs with full powered e-bikes still don’t mix that well
nice ride
Dayum so this thing got 250m elevation per 100 Wh battery, compared to the 160-194m elevation per 100 Wh battery in the EP8/CX4/Brose/Syncdrive test.
That's impressive, although if this thing did about 80% of the power output compared to the full power motors it would make sense.
I would like to see a review, for example, of a Specialized Turbo Levo with an 85Kg and 1,80 tall rider vs a Sepcialized Levo SL with a 65Kg and 1,70 tall rider. In this case the 65Kg rider is in better shape, the idea is to compare a raider with about 20Kg less and in better shape.
The Specialized Turbo Levo, as a rule, would run at 40% of the motor’s power, being able to increase that percentage if necessary, and the Specialized Levo SL would be in the necessary percentage to keep up with the pace of the Specialized Turbo Levo.
It can be with another brand, for example an Orbea full power and a 60Nm Orbea (Transition, Canyon, Giant…)
As I have friends with full power bikes that weigh 85Kg, I would like to know to what extent I could keep up with them, at their pace, on a 50, 60Nm bike and for how many Km.
In short, I would like to see how far a 50Nm, 60Nm bike can keep up with a full bike at +- 40% instead of the 100% of the motor’s power as in most reviews
I know this is a custom request, but I believe that there are lots of riders with these doubts.
Thanks in advance ;-)
wait, if you started at 830 and finished at sunset, its more than an 8 hour day.... what did you do for the 5 or 6 hours? i drain this bike in 3 hours not on turbo, and I get 1200hm....
I had a few batteries and was testing the whole ebike system in the same day
@@SamsBikes i was just busting your batteries 😂. I'm a fan of your vids and the topics, since I'm still holding off on getting one of these fun machines. I rent to try out, we are getting closer but none passed my "test" yet. Worse thing is that After a few sodas I think I'm funny 🤣
Can it be derestricted is all I want to know ?
Nice test but I have a question - what was your average power wattage during the test?
Not sure sorry mate it was a very long day! I really do need watt pedals
Bosch Ebike Connect app will tell you how many user watts!
Please do a range test like this with your 2023 Levo SL. Nobody talks about range on those things.
Will do mate
Add the USA translation in the future for the results cheers
Yep good call sorry about that
These types of bikes are ONLY MADE for those who have MONEY TO BURN.
So almost 15 miles and almost 3300 ft of elevation gain
Yep
@@SamsBikes how much do you weigh?
@@gbshenanigans6952 I was next to him the whole test and my weight is 90kg rider + 5kg backpack with water and equipment.
Cheers
Manu - M1
Heartrate 143 ,,, thats low , you hardly work