EGO vs SOUL
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I'm on my 362nd Jim Carrey video now... I've begun levitating
Ah!!
This is one of my favourite videos yet. Thankyou.
Well, humans have self-awareness and intellect. Strip that away and we are just animals with instinctive desires. That's really the problem. Meanwhile, my NF functions want me to go down my own rabbit hole, stay in Lalaland and high on my own thoughts. Pure escapism. Being in my mid 30s now, I feel like getting older is more about how you reconcile those two parts of human existence without going too crazy or physically wasting away.
Amazing!! I struggle with my NFs too..
Life is about balancing all this out..
Money with spirituality, rest with work, loving with alone time.
“They’re all characters I played including Jim Carrey*....”
*This really hit close to home. We are merely characters and it’s up to us to recognize that. Fascinating.
Over the years I’ve realized that Jim Carry’s perspectives have intersected personality types and spirituality....
I spent so much time learning personality typology (reading Jung’s work) all the way until I discovered Jim Carry’s videos - then I realized that your personality and cognitive are like your instruction manual for how to survive and how to contribute to the survival of the tribe.
Now I focus on cognitive functions in a way that questions how it relates to ego/soul.
I didn't understand quite well. Can you give me an example?
@@SabrinaXe Hi! I just now made a video that explains ego! (see the vid I posted 3 mins ago) There are a bunch of examples! Hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions!
No my depression comes from the sheer mental burnout of being in the world, sensory overload, anxiety, trying to mask my autism traits enough to interact with people, still feeling empty and isolated, being hated, bullied and teased because people fear what is different, dealing with cripplingly low self esteem, feeling anxious in social situations, wondering why people even like me or whether they like me at all, being fully lucid and cognisant of the complete disaster humanity is headed for and not being able to do much to stop it, though I do what I can. Being overwhelmed with emotion, wanting to make the feelings stop, why won’t they stop, please can my feelings go away?
I tried to make my feelings go away, it did not help, the only thing that worked was acknowledging and allowing myself to feel them...then I could process without my brain burning and melting down, and "recovery time" became pretty fast.
Understanding the connectedness of everything is so humbling and important for growth as a person. I think that's why connecting to animals and nature is a very important part of Eastern philosophy (I don't know about the west so can't comment).
Co-operation is actually beneficial for us evolutionarily and the idea that 'survival of the fittest' is fierce competition has been proven false. Humans are pack animals - we are inherently altruistic not selfish.
Increased selfish behaviour is seen in societies where competition between individuals is encouraged. This is why people in capitalist economies have been shown to have more selfish behaviour.
I can tell you are xNTx types watching this video- as an ISFP, and with an ENFP wife, this is our life. We discuss this all the time! The idea of ego vs soul is a daily conversation, inner or with others, for many of us xxFx types.
Whoa. You’re starting to put these concepts in really concrete language and it’s awesome.
I saw Ego vs Soul and I knew immediately xNFxs are gonna love it! The world needs the crazy xNFs!
On a more serious note, I think there is a big shift in consciousness occurring at the moment. It’s interesting to see the idea of ego vs soul. I haven’t seen it presented exactly this way, but earlier this year I remember I was struggling with motivation and I wrote two lists. One titled “ego goals” and the other “soul goals.” Everything I worked so hard to achieve in the past 7 years or so fell into the ego goals category. And so I slowly began to let them go, which actually is a rather painful and scary process.
Jim Carey is amazing and beautiful! He is motivating light that I can absorb much easier than people like tony Robbins.
Great video guys, love the deeper content. Thank you for breaking it down. I’m the same age as you Dave, and I’ve been studying psychology, philosophy and personality my entire life. Ego death raises our frequency and souls become one. Long live the soul ! PS I am not religious. I do see great value in Taoism. Religion is the ego that needs to become extinct.
🙏🏽pretty sure I’m an INFP, but realize I have blind spots.
Wow great perspectives !!
Hear this from a spiritual ENTJ:
Ego is not a bad selfish part of yourself. The excess of ego is a problem.
Soul is not a bad hippie part of yourself. The excess of soul is a problem.
Granted that your feelings, actions and thoughts are determined by the factors of the people and environment you interact with, you are not the feelings, actions and thoughts. They are a product. What are you is the spirit that observes it all in an accepting way.
But too much of living in the spirit makes you more inactive in the world, so you accept the suffering of a newborn child with disease and famine somewhere in Africa because you just observe it as "it is what it is".
You need ego to drive yourself towards doing something for that newborn child or others in a similar situation, as much as possible. Otherwise you're worst than the disease, because you could actually try to do something about it, as much as the external forces allows you.
I personally found a foundation for my Fi in Stoicism and Daoism.
Wow, this is really serendipitous. I was JUST talking about this today, the day after the election where almost half of our country thought it was just fine to elect a racist, narcissistic, utterly incompetent, (etc.) person to be our president, AGAIN, discussing what causes our people to be that out-ot-touch with the soul of self and others. I was telling my coworker that we need a different kind of education, we need to ensure that all of our children learn EMPATHY because that IS an evolutionary trait that when expressed is what makes life beautiful.
And you look at Americans and you see half of them simply don't have empathy for anyone who is not in their immediate circle (family, church group, etc.). It's as if they can only experience empathy for someone when the repercussions of their lack of it is shoved in their face, in person. So they literally have to WITNESS a person in their life crying in order to feel for someone else. But we need to be able to go beyond that. We need to feel empathy for those across town, in different neighborhoods and places of worship, across the world. Humans have that capacity but we've never taken it seriously. It's about soul and connection. Too many people are still focused on the physical and have not crossed over into the higher consciousness of the soul. It's getting better though. I have seen it growing over the decades and I feel the wave getting stronger. I think that's why I started crying a little watching Jim Carrey speaking about this. He's so right.
"Evolution does not want you to see all of reality, cause you'd just be sitting around watching RUclips and not do anything."
"You wouldn't survive."
Uh oh, Klaus. Uh oh.
At least I'm seeing reality and am Zen :)
What about a legacy?
Oops.
Now that you see reality you can make small steps to improve yourself by working on your demons more specifically in this newfound awareness that you have!!
Ha! That’s what you think! Without the ego games people go around being nice to each other. Which is great for survival.
Omg....I have been thinking about this for so long. The idea of going through life as a character. And the beauty of all of that is that you have the power to put energy into designing yourself just like any character. Jim Carrey dun figured it out and laid it all out there beautifully.
this is gold. reminds me a lot of the early hero’s journey videos you did on this channel.
You guys are really stepping up your NF game! Thank you for this video and passing on these concepts to the personality community 💫
‘When your depressed, your body needs deep rest’
Me: deep rest = depressed
(They sounds the same)
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Florian Namias it’s big brain time
@@jlistergaming7880 lol
I have been following your work for over a year now. I downloaded nearly all of your videos, watched each one at least 6 times,tried to understand it in my head and reviewed it again!!!
...and believe me when i say this is your best freaking video ever because it was about the truth!!!
.p.s: i'd love to video chat with you guys one day and talk about this loving truth with you.
Funny.. As an Fi user I find it extremely easy to be depressed..
With time, I have come to acceptance with this emptiness that we all.have..
NOTHING will ever fulfill you..
I just find meaning in loving the people around me and having good times with my family ❤❤❤
INFP? As an ISFP, I have the opposite experience with Fi. I wonder if that’s the difference between Se and Ne as the pair with our Fi.
Edit: the INFPs I know have a similar experience. And I’m glad you have found joy (autocorrected as “hot syrup” by my phone haha) with your family!
I think Fi has a TENDENCY to go deep with emotions and that can include Depression. Just because you have depression related to your Fi, doesnt mean all Fi's have depression
@@sirbradfordofhousejones yees! INFP..
Ohh I thought all Fi dom would.feel like this.. interesting to know that is more usual in Ne users..
Thank you!
@@august_19 I don`t have depression..
I just find it easy to let my sad emotions get out.. it also happens when I am happy
@@dianadias3 might just be the ISFPs I know, including myself. I have more anxiety about what I’ve done (or haven’t done) than depression.
"Holy men use words only to teach
how to let go."
(Rome - Hawker)
jim carrey just made me tear up for some reason!amazing that clip was!!
The soul part is actually also part of the programming. I think the real answer is in the balance between « ego » and « soul ». Being 100% soul is not perfect either... even Jim Carrey still does things mainly for himself and I believe we need to do that as well. To me the real way to go beyond programming is to find the right balance between both. I believe if you don’t feed your egotistical part, it will backfire at some point. We need to find the right balance between self needs and tribe needs to be useful on the long term. WDYT?
Many thanks for all the great content you share with us. Love you guys
The ego will never go away so you may just put all your coins in the soul game. Like they said it’s the game that makes you go out and do shit instead of only being on RUclips. It’s just consciousness and being free of it while don’t repress it cause it’s impossible and affect you negatively because you are likely to do nothing.
I agree, or rather, my ego agrees lol. There's toxic positivity and invalidating other's suffering when you strive for too much "soul". And there's the common ugly things when you get too stuck in the "ego".
I agree with finding balance in all things. Could non attachment be the bridge between the two? Can we sit in the middle and be ok with opposing forces? Can we not find answers to benefit both sides of the coin? Just thinking out loud here.
I absolutely love that you are sharing this kind of content! The whole world soon is going to go through an awakening. These topics are becoming more and more popular and people are discovering that they are not what they thought they were. I highly recommend a youtuber Teal Swan. She is very, very wise or should I say awaken and she dives in so deep in psychology and healing, so helpful and eye-opening!
From my limited ENFP perspective, Ego is nothing more than this flesh we live in. This body has its own needs, it’s own desires, it’s own interest in survival. So selfishness of the ego is perfectly logical. There is no inherent problem with the egos: needs, desires, or survival mechanisms.
The soul on the other hand has no flesh, no material needs or desires (at least that intuitively would seem to be the case). The soul would not therefore be committed to its own identity as separate from other souls because there is nothing causing souls to ultimately be separate from one another. That is where the oneness and love that we NF hippies love to talk about begins to come into the picture. When we become aware that we are running programs everyday we begin to access an ability to transcend the matrix of the ego. But the ego is NOT inherently our enemy. It’s a part of us. Moral of the story is, the Intuitive should not demonise the sensory. But the sensory needs to learn that there is more than the physical. We all need each other. Cumbaya! 🤩
Still, it is my belief that we still CHOOSE to incarnate to this earth 🌍 and into the flesh. This choice of coming into the matrix is to give the Soul an additional layer of perspective which is to experience the limitation of the sensory, the separation of this flesh from that tree 🌲 and so on. Ahh the Rabbit Hole is now open! All aboard? 😜
Shan looks more held back than usual. Is everything okay?
I guess she is just proccessing her Fi..
I’ve been noticing a lot of comments recently that were making fun of her laugh. It bothered me, and I was really hoping she wasn’t taking it to heart at all. Now I’m worried this being more held back is because of that... 😔
@@KayKayBayForever
Oh my god if this is true it's so irritating! D&S are one of the few beautiful things in my life, and I think in many people's lives too. They have to know this. I see their work getting bigger and bigger in couple of years, not sure why, just an Ni vision.
You guys should do a class on the philosopher Alan Watts, he's an NF that through studying eastern philosophy he seems to have "solved" the riddle for human existence, I wonder what you guys can learn about NFs and cognitive functions from him.
@@silentseeker3579 My best guess is that he's an INFJ.
"Three different times I begged the Lord to take it away. Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me. That's why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12).
The ego is a false sense of strength...better known as Pride. You find your soul through humility and showing your "weakness." It is your soul that is connected to God. You have to go through hell (your demons) to find the door that get's you to Him. "Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you." (Matthew 7:7). The human ego is not who we really are, it is merely how the mind has been programmed through indoctrination, conditioning, trauma, upbringing, experiences, etc.
I got into Alan Watts in the late 70’s. Then for forty + years I tried my particular type of survival script, and failed miserably at life. At 60 I finally got back into seriously trying to deconstructing this egoic self.
Totally agree with Shan. It's a thought that I've had for a while; that this subjectivism that's in vogue right now makes you less modest because it prevents you from accepting that you could be wrong!
This was very eye-opening. Great content!
You guys should check out Dr Nicole LePera (aka the Holistic Psychologist). She's recently been on Women of Impact with Lisa Bilyeu where she talks a lot about how to break free from automatic patterning and notice our habitual thoughts/behaviours that have come from the ego. She doesn't so much refer to a "soul" but talks about how to become more "conscious". Might be interesting for anyone who is wondering how to actually work on this stuff.
I actually listened to this one! And it mad sense with what someone I know said.
"Merton's Palace of Nowhere" and "The Second Mountain" address this 🎯
I think We are in a journey from total blindness to some wisdom
YES, UNPLUG ME FROM THE MATRIX!
And that's what happened to me after all this consciensness hahaha
I was just watching youtube these past days, and now it's time to think about my survive haha.
As a student of philosophy, even objectivism is kind of a myth. Real philosophy acknowledges the subjective nature of existence and is aware of the limitations of science or “objectivity” but once we say anything critical of this view people will inevitably assume you’re dumb. Meanwhile, all I do is consume all day every day to make NT connections but people will assume you’re an NF if you say anything remotely “spiritual” about life. The current resistance to subjectivity is the giant fucking clue that there’s something to the non-objective world. People really need to do more drugs at an earlier age. It’s super frustrating watching everyone shit on these people for so long and call them crazy and then come around 10 years later when it’s a decade too late. - ENTP
Thank u so much for saying this! I hv always felt that NFs reach the truth way before and are mostly unable to get it accepted by the ST world. They just laugh and call u crazy
So Shave are giving us some ideas to demolish our Winchester mystery houses. As well as a few foundations for a new tiny home :D
Just love this video ❤🙏 thanks guys!
This is Brene Brown's Vulnerability, a binary coin Dave would probably like. You've surely seen this TED Talk! I'd love to see some typology on Brene, too! (ISTJ?)
Acting is a great way to learn that you have always been acting. It is very freeing. When you act you know that it is a con and then that transfers to knowing your ordinary living experience is an act too.
Acting various roles in life isn't bad, don't think that it is. It is very useful, everyone must get good at being the parent, the sibling, the friend the child the worker etc.
synching up wizard of ozz and dark side of the moon is as spiritual as i get
Being stripped of everything in your life will help you realize that nothing is to be expected. Good people die young all the time without ever fulfilling their potential. Our little programs and expectations need to go out the window if we are ever to find out what meaning life has.
Just here for referencing that EPIC VIDEO
Seeing people as memes is _more_ mindstuff. Not that it's bad to be intelligent about people but beware it's not no-mind!
I hope you two keep heading this direction.
I discovered my soul at the age of 23 - no hippie-talk - unfortunately I was never able to return to it since as I let go of it before the experience had changed me in a profound way.
Just do not-doing until you arrive at not-doing and that is the very best way to go at it. This is the "path" of daoism. Meditation also helps - the complete list of meditations is known as _vigyan bhairav tantra_ and can easily be found online.
Best of luck grasshoppers.
The book "Lord of the Flies" is about this exact aspect of human nature, where in a survival situation, humans can become barbaric. HOWEVER, there is some evidence to the contrary. Some philanthropists and others say that if that was true then human species would not have made it this far. Instead, we have evolved to have empathy which allows us to care for one another and build communities that make us stronger. Of course it works best when it's all face-to-face, when what you do impacts those around you so you are accountable (vs. a corporation that decimates communities and suffers no consequences). Don't get me started on that. But yeah, read Lord of the Flies by William Golding. It's a classic.
I want to collect acorns... when you said that it sounded like so much more fun than the world right now.😄this was good truly.
Ye a universe where we are geared for reality is a catch 22.
Humility destroys the soul. Authoritarianism destroys the soul. Evolution is not competition, it’s survival of the fittest, for humans, who are the rational beings, the most just.
I've been thinking, for like 25 years, that depression is you're mind re-examining and modifying your world-view, after a catastrophic failure of your current programming, so that you can reboot and start running with a program that is a better fit to the world as you understand it. Like slowly matching the program to reality over several iterations, like meme evolution. I think that fits with what Jim's examination and delivery using his acting analogy... I used to reboot often, now it takes years before I've learned enough to significantly alter my programming = much less depression, much less often, but no less catastrophic! lol
Idea of soul sounds like a luxury for elite observers.
I don’t know if y’all know, but this idea is FOUNDATIONAL in Islam...since the time of the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). It’s called purification of the soul/ heart. A renowned and highly respected author Al-Ghazali has really fleshed out in these things in impeccable ways highly suggest you check him out.
What reading would you recommend?
Hey @@blackcatxiii7757 I recommend “ The Purification of the heart” by Hamza Yusuf, and “Reclaim your heart” by Yasmeen Mogahed. Anything written by Imam Al-Ghazali is amazing as he is credited as the primary writer of Islamic spirituality/Sufism and the like! He has an abridged version of his 40 works that cover all of Islamic spirituality principals called “lhyā’ ‘ulūm al-dīn” or revival of the religious sciences! If you want to go deeper. I hope you enjoy!
But do you (Shannon, David) think there is A (
You two might be ready to read Lord of the Flies. What you are realizing is old news - but you can do great with it. Check out Lord of the Flies.
Ego - bald head, soul- butt
i see it as :
ego : individual survival , competition .
soul : group survival , collaboration .
as for competitivness : i see it as kind of unedded , if you need to compare ideas and see which one is more efficient/stable at a determined job , the debate could arise in that place .
Have you guys heard of Robert Sapolsky? He's a neuroendocrinologist that has studied primates for years, he's a fantastic speaker and has a lecture series on human behavioral biology here on youtube that might be of interest to your work!
Now you guys are coming to "Non duality" .. Hmm goood
This represents great progress for Dave and Shan. It seems they are starting to step back from the matrix and question it. I'm so happy! But how does it gel with their promotion of aggressive achievement gurus like Gary Vaynerchuk and Tony Robbins? In my view, those guys are merely resuscitating the old youthful survival stuff, just with a more polished presentation. The "alphas" aren't enlightened. They are just charismatic or lucky BS artists pushing people back into competition instead of helping them to continue questioning the matrix.
That's not what "survival of the fittest" means - the word "fittest" actually refers to how an organism "fits" into its environment . Survival of the fittest doesn't look like the drive for business competition (at least, no more than any other trait we have), it looks like us only seeing a quarter of the spectrum of reality so we don't freak out and watch RUclips all day.
(Sorry if this is incoherent I'm writing fast on break from work because I'm a blasting idiot)
What everyone thinks SOTF means is actually just their perception of the social dominance hierarchy. No matter how dominant or successful you are, whole species can go extinct if they cannot adapt to the the environment.
Really good video.
Is there an 'Aplha State INTJ' Video ? (or INFJ)
think I should learn how to add some Se in my Ni
have much questions to answer
I 💎 YOUR VIDEOS !!
the soul temple types are furthest out of the ego
Hey! Watching You Tube videos and not doing anything is my thing. I must be super enlightened.
Dominance Hierarchies
Love you guys so much, thanks. ::::::::)))))))
I speak from the thing too
The lesson of The Walking Dead... the humans are way more dangerous than the zombies.
Fi : Listen Nature/God: I'll be whatever I want, no matter what you decided.
God/Nature: Take a deep breath and say 'exactly as planned' while rubbing their hands.
You are there. There is no where you can go where you are not. Where can you go? Who is this one that can go? Is it you? Welcome home.
Sorry it's off-topic but Joe Rogan's recent interview of Kanye West would be a great one to do a personality comparison on if you get a chance? How would you type them? The way Kanye expressed his ideas (he "paints in circles" and thinks of 10 things at once and then has to try to funnel all those ideas into 1 product or explanation, which I can relate to). The way his brain works I think is lead Ni if I'm not mistaken? I'm typed as INFJ and I could totally relate. Joe was helping him condense/explain his thoughts in a very caring manner. The interview made me feel like Kanye is an INFJ like me, except that I would think he's an extravert....
I also wonder how poor mental health can hinder the ability to truly type someone, or even yourself, since it can greatly change brain chemistry and expression.
alright guys, now do Eckart Tolle..
I was thinking the soul symbolizes the entirety of ones life?, and those good character traits are traits that describe a good pattern of behavior, and a pattern of behaviour refers to a collective of good decisions one has made within whatever timeframe. The question would now be what is a good decision?, it could be one that has good impact in the life of others, at the same time balancing the well-being of ones self. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself"
Typewise, i'd say Fi-Te dichotomy is big on the "SOUL". You need to be Fi authentic to your core which eventually what leads to what's Te right for everyone else. In the same way, that what's really Te right or works for everybody else, is also who I really Fi am.
On the other hand, Ti-Fe coin, is detached understanding of self. Ti is prone to 'objectivism' w/c considers the soul as an object of the intellect, hence the term Ego. Fe is also subject to fakery w/c echoes the Ti's cold logic on our humanity.
That's all, thank you. Bow!
Actually some of us are born "old" and are "there" at even a young age. This is part of the evidence of the soul, being born buddhist in a non-buddhist community for example.
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Unhealth self-expression vs health self-sacrifice
DEEP
I'm so happy for Jim Carrey and where he's at right now.
But Dave and Shan are pursuing ego, i.e. personal growth to become alphas or somesuch nonsense.
Jim Carrey is and has always been my spirit animal
The solution is the composition by the analyst of the trancendent or the power of symbolism in organised religion. Boom.
Soul doesn't perceive materialism. Love might be the essence of a soul but that is in relations and consciously material.
Please elaborate
Okay so we trash the ego a lot but without it you would just simply set there and wait to die, which is basically called depression, the only way you can live without the ego is if you build it to a strong enough place that you can transcend it, and that unfortunately takes a lot time and suffering, so much so that almost no one achieves ego trenscendance, because that's the people that are described as enlightened, those people have basically escaped from "The matrix". You realistically probably won't achieve that, so your best bet if you are suffering or want to have a fair fighting chance against the tragedy of life is to build a healthy and strong ego.
I think life should be about balancing the ego with the soul..
We find ourselves happy when we dress well, when we have nice things, when we get promoted or recognised..
But it is good to find the balance to know that that doesn`t define us..
I believe what defines us is what we do for others..
How did we help other human beings getting a better life?
I am.not doing voluntary work yet, but I wish so.much to.do it in the future.. Mean while I help my family with everything I can..
The question we have to ask is..
Am I driven by love or the ego??
Idk if that is masculine intuition sleep demon, the Jim Carey thing
Something off-topic, which was shown in this video: Ni-Se people personify - they act, as if objects are alive. Because for Ni-Se "thinking" is the same as "doing". So if an object is doing something (The sun is shining. Evolution is helping), in Ni mind, it is alive and it thinks. For Si-Ne "thinking" means "talking". So for Si people, only people can think, because only people can speak. This is my observation. Is there any Si-Ne, who personify, or Ni-Se who doesn't?
So those diagrams ego versus soul is that yours? Or did it come from somewhere
Confused 🤷♀️ is Jim Carry ENFP or not?!🧐
...its sounds like mould exposure. Hope it's not kind of...dead alley idea.
Do you think this is like info Dom vs energy Dom?
Do you think you can be ego Dom or soul Dom?
Eg sleep first for ego Dom?
Uh okay.
Just wow :)
Space cadettes :)
Do you guys have a Patreon page?
I believe there is a false assumption when it comes to us just being molecules or matter compiled. If that were the case. Why doesn't another compilation of matter not have consciousness. To assume we are just matter denies consciousness and consciousness is what we used to observe and come to a uneducated opinion that we are just matter. It's like asking your self am I rational. When your using rational to answer that question.
hey guys want an interesting topic for your next video? I've got one.
I have noticed that when I have energy around people I tend to act intj while when im feeling drained I go back to my normal infj person 😂 now what is that? 😂
No way am I first!
don't stop making videos ever.
Oh so this not taking ENFP seriously is a thing?