They are both energy dominant. This video they present their information, and therefore have more succinct descriptions. I’d recommend this to everyone who is trying to finally get to the core of elements of personality.
I agree. And finally they were able to summarize the entire channel in a single video. Trying to understand all these concepts without it is absolutely confusing and random.
Some of us intuitives grew up surrounded by sensors, and we feel compelled to give a lot of evidence to prove our case because we were constantly told we were irresponsible airheads if we didn't.
It's not, "do you do this or not" all sensors also guess and all intuitives also prove... It's about who the bad guy in your story is... How comfortable are you with either and how much you hate going to the other (even though you won't realize it and will eventually think "I'm so good at my demons, I must be X or Y bc I'm so good")
4:50 my definition of planning as an ESFP is totally being called out here 😂. My plan is: ticket, lodging, car. Everything else is going to be spontaneous. My ENFP spouse is basically the same in this way.
lmao my ISTJ (bs/p) stepmom won’t involve me (cp/b) in the planning process because i’ll say “i just want to roll with it” so she schedules in time for that 😂
Thank you SO MUCH for this! I think about OPS day in and day out and am trying to apply it to so many areas of my life, and it’s so enlightening to come back to the channel and have it hit me again and again how much of this system I don’t fully understand. My lead-consume self is hooked. Never stop posting these! 🤩
If you want to test the theory of everyone just “spitting out their functions” - you should take two people of the exact same type and subtype, put them in separate rooms, and give them the same stimuli to see if they react the same. (This might be a bad example) but for example, idk say “tractor” and see the first word they say. It would be interesting to see if the two subtypes will come up with similar responses
INTJ (FF SCB/P) here. I really think y'all need to get an INFJ to help you with how to find the right words for this stuff. They are SO GOOD at figuring out exactly how to pinpoint it when it comes to people. My INFJ Mom was amazing at that. She was always able to come up with the exact word that captured the essence of a feeling or behavior. I'm telling you, get a smart mature INFJ on your team. You'll be unstoppable.
I interpreted masculine De as more of a kinesthetic aspect, coming from the primal inclination to literally (originally physically) push others. Masculine sensing is more sound-based, and feminine is more visual. This explains part of these pairs' differences: Both FF and FM are more visual than auditory, but FM is more aware of 3D space, because mentally modeling the 3D world involves an aspect of shape, size and so on, which are informed by kinesthetic concepts of those shapes (e.g. weight : size; jaggedness of shape : sharpness to the touch) Both MF and MM are more auditory than visual, but MM is more conscious of weight, touch and spatial location.
Your interpretation makes a lot of sense! I think they got right the "timeline" aspect, though, since both auditory and kinesthestic informations are time based, and people with masculine sensory seem to be more time-oriented. What I still don't understand is why FF=tester. This seems to be the harder modality to explain.
So, How would you catch an intuitive savior that has trained their sensing to give as many examples as possible because they noticed that people don't really get their overview talk?
Bcz it's litteraly "not play" haha. Play talk too much, too fast. Sleep avoid talking without thinking. I may say, even if i didn't checked it, sleep will sometimes pause their speech to express themself correctly. I hope it helps even if it's 4 month later x) (From a CS/B(P))
Nice informative video. Still need to get your Playlist sorted so we can go find more info on particular subjects you might have covered in more depth somewhere else. De, Di, etc. When I first found your channel I found the learning curve a bit steep. Also, I'm so glad you guys have seen the same as I have. I literally have been saying for the last few months - "Listen to people, they are literally almost describing their functions as they speak." So funny to see you guys come to the same conclusion. Gives me hope that I'm not crazy... or at least not alone in being crazy.
When you're an intuitive, you want details spared because you're always taking in information and then filtering it through your mind and through the minds of others. Also, you only want to get into the details when the situation or goal deems appropriate. Well thats my perspective/experience on that side of the coin
It's so weird how they come across as explaining other people through their own functions? I guess it's be hard to not do that at all. It's like their constantly talking shit and trying to do it evenly and failing, how they feel about it still comes through
Thank you for getting to the point. I've dropped hundreds of books because they're written by sensors who throw 20 million real life experiences up front without giving me the fucking argument. Wasting my time. -INTJ
If you get stuck on repeating the overview I think the person feels uncertain because you the sensor *DIDNT CONFIRM* that you got it. That you understood the overview. Instead you have the questionmark face cause you are waiting for the sensory and the intutitive goes "Oh, they mustn't have understood the *overview* let me try to give even more overview".
Did anyone else notice right away that her eyes match her shirt... and THEN realize his eyes ALSO match/coordinate with his shirt? I felt compelled to mention this, and I don't know why. 🤷🏾♀️
This is a really great video, I really appreciate the attention to how disparate a person's own viewpoint vs how they actually are from the outside is in reality, it is immensely helpful to hear and see the information you guys are developing and understanding better as time goes on! ^-^ Please keep up the good work and the wonderful vibes ;3 (all of the videos from the past are just as helpful, especially when paired with the newer ones, as it is important to know how and in what ways the developments you have made as a team effect how you view this form of psychology! Thank you for this information, and for sharing it with the world!~)
Lol Oe saying I plan- for many options.. and me Oi being here like I can’t play mine craft because the world is too big and there’s too many options and it’s overwhelming and it makes it so I can’t do anything. I can’t take plans being so wide open and nothing set in stone- I shutdown and either I plan to narrow it down if possible or cut it out if not possible,. Hahahaha
I think I’m an INFJ and I have found that I have focused on things that revolve around feeling stuck or not wanting to feel stuck, so I think you’re onto something there : )
Thanks guys for showing me my IxxP subjectivity.. I fear being judged for my opinion tberefore I PREEMPTIVELY JUDGE OTHERS. I fear losing my opinion/my way. So i dont communicate OR instead get negative OR panic because i FEAR I wont get to HAVE my opionion... I WONT GET TO have my way. Crazy Decider words.... even the choice of terms I use are SUBJECTIVE ('get to' 'opinion') and speak volumes about perceived judgement leading to irrational immobilization & identity invalidation . This is great. Like a mirror but the reflection is reality.
it's fascinating to see the evolution of the way they talk to and about their audience in their video's over time. I wonder if the type of people that choose to interact with them also changes over time. And if so whether those two aspects are correlated somehow.
I actually just understood everything you say when I made a vídeo for RUclips for people to type me.. And I did exactly that.. I just "proved" how intuitive I was xD It was actually shoking to find out I use sensory as my second function instead of intuition
By far the best PT video on the internet I've found. Particularly the part where you talk about the specific words people use to describe their claim. *MAJOR* So like, now can you please give us all what we want & tell us what actual type folder you filed CSJ in? 😀
Leave it to Dave and Shan to call a video "Overview of the OPS 9 Coins" and only talk about seven of them. • What does Info vs Energy dom mean? • What does it mean whether a type's top two animals share an observer or a decider?
I’m seeing the word “stuck” as maybe ‘conditional’ or’ irredeemable’ possibly. And “judged” as ‘valid’ or ‘alpha/beta type of hierarchy’ “Judgement” is like socially acceptable compared to “stuck” as freedom over options throughout time.
That itself can indicate things about a person. They might be wearing a mask in order to get validation from the tribe(Fe/Te). They might be trying to protect themselves somehow. And the way you speak, even if it’s dishonest, will still often reveal how you process things.
The key is to focus not just in the content, but also in the language. When people aren't being themselves, you can see a lot of disconnections and contradictions between the content and the language. If you pay attention to this, you'll eventually figure out the truth.
Can what you feel/think what you're responsible for change? I use to want to be committed to the tribe goals through tribe values/agenda. Now I am more responsible for seeking accuracy and more nuanced reality, despite the tribe values.
Something that ive always been concerned about is when i hear people who has worked the same job, for the same company for decades. Never thought that it’s one of my fear that is to be stuck working the same job the same company m, or to just be in in a box. guess my type
ENFJ - Fe/Se but still not sure if FM or FF since I kind of the one who always learns best when visualise things and when going to practical skills like driving, riding a bike etc, I need a lot of practice until I can do them well
(NeTi) I don’t necessarily agree with the feminine De avoiding conflict. I have found that I have an extremely overbearing Di that I will stand behind no matter what. Whatever makes sense to me, whatever I found is logically valid, is what really is, and there’s no way around that. Others’ thoughts, I’ll take into consideration, but they’re usually wrong if they don’t align with my own. My Fe is super laid back. Whatever anyone says or does, I’ll try to understand and I’ll go along with it, but if someone wants to get down to the core of what I think, then I’ll be as blunt as can be about (my perspective of) the truth, with warning that they’ll most like not like what I’m gonna say. I may have a misunderstanding of masculine-feminine functions due to an Ni->Si lack of understanding, and I may be exerting a feminine Ti right now by sounding unsure in my opinions. I just tend to always disagree with others, bringing my own thoughts to fruition if someone tries to impose something that I disagree with. Other than that, I’m fairly compliant with others compared to the other NeTis I know. I just deleted a whole paragraph of info because I realized it being an example of a masculine Ti, so I’d rather pose it as an example for something I’d normally say “By the way, I’ve studied this for 4.5 years and some of your adaptions are theories I’m starting to accept because I see the logical validity. I might request clarification in areas i’m still uncertain about yet still trying to decipher, but know that I am not someone who will accept others opinions in areas that I’m sure of, without general examples with conclusions in direct alignment with the functions as a whole. What I ask is clarification on masculine-feminine functions. If I am clearly exerting one or the other, and if so, give me self-evident reasons of how” I can see many possible ways that I could have feminine TI masculine Fe and vise versa, but they all stem for differences in core definitions of these concepts which I ask you to differentiate. I almost ask that you act like an ENTP and try to explain it in alignment with your understanding of NeTi. I know this is stupid hard because I always try to adopt functions of others that oppose mine, and I physically can’t. I also realize that I’m one of those ENTPs that type a whole bunch and never end up saying much. I realized this a long time ago, trust me, so I just ask for some Fe understanding to realize that I’m really trying to get to whatever my internal conflict really is. I want y’all to know that y’all do it better than anyone I know. I have books in the making, and I am giving full lectures on Jungian Typology, but a lot of my core summations are derived from your Ni singular conclusions that help me communicate my point. I have no clue what the point of a lot of this was, maybe just to let y’all know I appreciate y’all and recommend y’all to anyone I talk to about this. I may also be kinda drunk because of this burning alcoholism coming from genes and my damn inferior Si (damn you inf Si!!!) That’s it. Apologies if you read to here because I wouldn’t even be able to read this back myself. Much love
Sorry about all the comments but I am in my sweet spot by myself in the middle of the night. I respect what you are trying to do and am learning a great deal from your videos. I find the two of you certainly bright, inspiring and kind of cute but a bit naive- I wish I could see you both fifty years down the road. Here is the thing, none of us are anything more than a data point in a project that ultimately means nothing. All else is hubris so at some point the best any of us can do is let go. Doing so sometime before your death is the only way to experience the wonder that follows freedom.
Well, there is a kind of meaning... it's for God's pleasure. The short term goal is salvation of souls to share that pleasure with. But the long term is simply life forever. What that entails can't even be imagined. Ultimately, without that understanding, this is all indeed "meaningless". All things are vanity. I wonder how people think they're setting long term goals by figuring out their life 50 years ahead... it's not only vain, it's simply not even close to enough planning, to be honest. The ULTIMATE end of any thing in this dimension is simply vanity. But there is indeed a kind of end, in a kind of existential never-ending newness which some of us get to experience hereafter and ever after. Simply by believing in Jesus. Don't go to church, though, they've lost the way. But the Bible is good. Jesus is God. He died so we could be with Him by belief in Him, not belief in ourselves or our works or our behavior. We want decent behavior, but it doesn't save us at all. He does. It is that easy and it is so that we can be with Him in eternity and He will share His pleasure with us. We cannot FATHOM what that means, but it's true. Being younger, sometimes that looks far-away, sometimes it looks too close, comprehending that mystery. But I can see it as an old man... the "never-going back, what's this all for, I am facing uncertainty soon, what a seeming waste." That's the body and brain talking. There is a higher mind that reveals the truth, though. It requires being bodiless in understanding - spiritual, outside of one's self. You have to trick the body into thinking it is immortal for a moment in order to tap into the understanding of what seems only abstract in this moment in order to catch a glimpse. But the Holy Spirit comforts His children. It's true. Again, not many in church get this anymore... very many are relying on looking at their own perceived "faithfulness" to God as proof of His saving them, as proof that they will inherit the Kingdom. It's vile, really. This body does not inherit that... so nothing coming from this body is proof. But it is the testimony that agrees with the Truth that is as close as we can get to certainty, and it is subjective on our part, by faith. God gives grace to those with that boldness, because we agree that this is all His, that HE IS GOOD and in us there is nothing good, just vanity after vanity, no matter what we try to fill the time with. The only useful work is waking His children up to the fact of His reality.... it's the only work that isn't wasted, the only work that won't burn up.
(Ingenious ISTP) OPS should start a cryptocurrency. It is only fitting seeing that they deal in "coins" already. Or one crypto per Cognitive function. Use it like a swear jar, invest in your Demons every time you "tidal wave" or default on your responsibilities. #richforlife
Thanks for sharing but I was getting confused sometimes by what topic you where talking about and when you moved on. I think you missed sleep too but I’ll watch again. Wold be helpful to slow down and have distinct cues going through that much different stuff.
I’ve been watching you guys for over a year now. I feel you both are onto something big in the scientific world. However, after a year of watching you, I still get confused when you use the terms Observer and Decider, Oe, De, Oi, Di and Double vs Single. I think if you were able to break down those words or change them, it would be much easier to understand.
they don’t read comments, and they’re not gonna change it. but the information is on their website and in other videos. just takes a bit of memorization.
I disagree. Planning is preparing. Preparing does not always mean you know exactly what you are preparing for. It is not focus specific. As an Ne user(INTP), I will plan for everything within my window of want or should want(Ni critic and Fi last is really "fun"). My Ti is confused by your statement.
They talking about how we organize our memories. When you listen to a person who has masculine sensory telling a story, for example, they can tell exacty when and where each thing happened. A person with masculine intuition wouldn't remember a lot of these details, but they would be able to visualize clearly the context, the patterns and the connections. There's a video where they talk about mS vs mN, back then they defined it as detailed memory vs visual recall. They're reajusting the definitions but the core patterns remain the same, so I believe that video is still useful, you should check it out.
I find all of this kind of interesting. But could you explain how Tony Robbins comes into this? Why is his definition of human needs such a big part of your theory? You say, that you try to confront MBTI with the scientific method. Yet you take cues from self help gurus like Robbins, Peterson, Gary V,.. . I think you need to look at these people way more critically.
They're not JUST doing science; they also include a whole dimension of how to use understanding of personality type for self-improvement. As for Tony Robbins' personality needs (which are, by the way, based on sociology), they do take the idea critically; he was just a spark of inspiration for them because they started noticing his model everywhere. The classical temperaments for instance (sanguine, choleric, melancholic, phlegmatic) and elements (air, fire, earth, water) when applied to people-reading correspond to the SAME four human needs (respectively: variety = Oe, tribe consensus = De, control = Oi, identity = Di); people have been noticing these patterns independently for thousands of years, and Tony Robbins is just one of the most recent in that long line. So it shouldn't be dismissed solely on the basis that "some 'guru' guy said it". At the end of the day what distinguishes science from pseudoscience isn't how you arrived at a hypothesis, but whether it works. OP has gotten their system to work, and that's all that matters to evaluating its scientific methodological validity.
To be honest. I find this OP MBTI stuff interesting. But the way, they treat self help gurus in their videos really makes me think, that OP is way more on the side self help/ marketing stuff, than a scientific interest to understand humans better.
@@daniellieder9914 No reason it can't be both. Or that it started out as one thing and became something else. It's gotta be valid to help. Tony is legit. And so are his humans needs -just try em out.
Te is more concerned with making things work, Fe is more concerned about "the vibe of the room". Both fTe and fFe avoid conflict, but fTe does this by trying to solve the problem, getting the tasks done, while fFe does this by trying to be sympathetic, directly showing that they care about the feelings of the tribe. For instance, if a child is crying because a toy is broken, Te's first reaction is trying to fix the toy, Fe's first reaction is trying to comfort the child. (Of course, in real life, this would be a little bit more tricky, because there would be other functions at play)
For the person who does not mingle with people, is an extrovert - if I am to understand Jung correctly. Hence why Psychology dropped the idea of type, in favour of behaviour!
Hi. I'm Mustafa Again. Nice to see you. Please, do you want to give me a good source code explantion for todays Topic? You look stunning today, sadly as INFP (and?) likes to feel and be.
The info clarity of this video is overwhelmingly good
- FF FiNe CPSB
They are both energy dominant. This video they present their information, and therefore have more succinct descriptions. I’d recommend this to everyone who is trying to finally get to the core of elements of personality.
Love how Shan said “I know I’m trying to help , so are you ready?” Knowing you have pure intentions makes it easier to get down and dirty and focus.
Really like these info dominant videos :)
Same here, as a NF
I agree. And finally they were able to summarize the entire channel in a single video. Trying to understand all these concepts without it is absolutely confusing and random.
Same here! :D
Same
Yessss
Some of us intuitives grew up surrounded by sensors, and we feel compelled to give a lot of evidence to prove our case because we were constantly told we were irresponsible airheads if we didn't.
Thank you for saying so! This happened to me ALL the time.
It's not, "do you do this or not" all sensors also guess and all intuitives also prove... It's about who the bad guy in your story is... How comfortable are you with either and how much you hate going to the other (even though you won't realize it and will eventually think "I'm so good at my demons, I must be X or Y bc I'm so good")
For sure, appletree.
I felt this in my core
Wrong.
4:50 my definition of planning as an ESFP is totally being called out here 😂. My plan is: ticket, lodging, car. Everything else is going to be spontaneous. My ENFP spouse is basically the same in this way.
lmao my ISTJ (bs/p) stepmom won’t involve me (cp/b) in the planning process because i’ll say “i just want to roll with it” so she schedules in time for that 😂
@@insecureintellectual4783 hahaha I don’t doubt that. 😂
People do something different than that?
@@Nyalloyd omg yes. My intj father and isfj mother have full on printed itineraries for their vacations. It is... something. 😂
@@sirbradfordofhousejones god...like the Clark Grizwold of vacations and you know how that turned out lol
Thank you SO MUCH for this! I think about OPS day in and day out and am trying to apply it to so many areas of my life, and it’s so enlightening to come back to the channel and have it hit me again and again how much of this system I don’t fully understand. My lead-consume self is hooked. Never stop posting these! 🤩
No clip I'm not sure what is the meaning of at the end :'(
If you want to test the theory of everyone just “spitting out their functions” - you should take two people of the exact same type and subtype, put them in separate rooms, and give them the same stimuli to see if they react the same. (This might be a bad example) but for example, idk say “tractor” and see the first word they say. It would be interesting to see if the two subtypes will come up with similar responses
INTJ (FF SCB/P) here. I really think y'all need to get an INFJ to help you with how to find the right words for this stuff. They are SO GOOD at figuring out exactly how to pinpoint it when it comes to people. My INFJ Mom was amazing at that. She was always able to come up with the exact word that captured the essence of a feeling or behavior. I'm telling you, get a smart mature INFJ on your team. You'll be unstoppable.
true. maybe one of those good looking darren brown infjs
Good idea about INFJs!
@@colourfultoreador8467 wh
I actually had a dream that you guys made a video, no one liked it, and I was defending you in the comments...
Something isn't healthy about this...
The whole thing is not healthy
What? I don't get it lol. Where does this came from?
lol
that is cultish lmao
I interpreted masculine De as more of a kinesthetic aspect, coming from the primal inclination to literally (originally physically) push others. Masculine sensing is more sound-based, and feminine is more visual.
This explains part of these pairs' differences:
Both FF and FM are more visual than auditory, but FM is more aware of 3D space, because mentally modeling the 3D world involves an aspect of shape, size and so on, which are informed by kinesthetic concepts of those shapes (e.g. weight : size; jaggedness of shape : sharpness to the touch)
Both MF and MM are more auditory than visual, but MM is more conscious of weight, touch and spatial location.
Your interpretation makes a lot of sense!
I think they got right the "timeline" aspect, though, since both auditory and kinesthestic informations are time based, and people with masculine sensory seem to be more time-oriented.
What I still don't understand is why FF=tester. This seems to be the harder modality to explain.
So, How would you catch an intuitive savior that has trained their sensing to give as many examples as possible because they noticed that people don't really get their overview talk?
I think talking about sleep was skipped over 😥
Bcz it's litteraly "not play" haha.
Play talk too much, too fast.
Sleep avoid talking without thinking. I may say, even if i didn't checked it, sleep will sometimes pause their speech to express themself correctly.
I hope it helps even if it's 4 month later x)
(From a CS/B(P))
I love you so much guys, I have just joined your classes ! Keep going, it is so helpful for me.
Nice informative video. Still need to get your Playlist sorted so we can go find more info on particular subjects you might have covered in more depth somewhere else. De, Di, etc.
When I first found your channel I found the learning curve a bit steep.
Also, I'm so glad you guys have seen the same as I have. I literally have been saying for the last few months - "Listen to people, they are literally almost describing their functions as they speak." So funny to see you guys come to the same conclusion.
Gives me hope that I'm not crazy... or at least not alone in being crazy.
When you're an intuitive, you want details spared because you're always taking in information and then filtering it through your mind and through the minds of others. Also, you only want to get into the details when the situation or goal deems appropriate. Well thats my perspective/experience on that side of the coin
It's so weird how they come across as explaining other people through their own functions? I guess it's be hard to not do that at all. It's like their constantly talking shit and trying to do it evenly and failing, how they feel about it still comes through
Also switching Sensing and Thinking. Sensing is about proving and Thinking about working in their Model. LMAO
Thank you for getting to the point. I've dropped hundreds of books because they're written by sensors who throw 20 million real life experiences up front without giving me the fucking argument. Wasting my time. -INTJ
If you get stuck on repeating the overview I think the person feels uncertain because you the sensor *DIDNT CONFIRM* that you got it. That you understood the overview.
Instead you have the questionmark face cause you are waiting for the sensory and the intutitive goes "Oh, they mustn't have understood the *overview* let me try to give even more overview".
13 minute video... alright, alright. So far, so good.
Did anyone else notice right away that her eyes match her shirt... and THEN realize his eyes ALSO match/coordinate with his shirt? I felt compelled to mention this, and I don't know why. 🤷🏾♀️
I have a tremendous fear of being STUCK and not having time for my hobbies - ENFP
Same, ISTJ
Yep. ENFP, this is me
This is a really great video, I really appreciate the attention to how disparate a person's own viewpoint vs how they actually are from the outside is in reality, it is immensely helpful to hear and see the information you guys are developing and understanding better as time goes on! ^-^ Please keep up the good work and the wonderful vibes ;3 (all of the videos from the past are just as helpful, especially when paired with the newer ones, as it is important to know how and in what ways the developments you have made as a team effect how you view this form of psychology! Thank you for this information, and for sharing it with the world!~)
Shan was Fe for a minute
Yeah i liked that moment 🥺
Lol Oe saying I plan- for many options..
and me Oi being here like
I can’t play mine craft because the world is too big and there’s too many options and it’s overwhelming and it makes it so I can’t do anything.
I can’t take plans being so wide open and nothing set in stone- I shutdown and either I plan to narrow it down if possible or cut it out if not possible,. Hahahaha
Ne PolR
that's me huh( nervous laugh)
I try to just jump in the cold water and swim through it
it's damn hard to turn that Ni off
I think I’m an INFJ and I have found that I have focused on things that revolve around feeling stuck or not wanting to feel stuck, so I think you’re onto something there : )
Thanks guys for showing me my IxxP subjectivity.. I fear being judged for my opinion tberefore I PREEMPTIVELY JUDGE OTHERS. I fear losing my opinion/my way. So i dont communicate OR instead get negative OR panic because i FEAR I wont get to HAVE my opionion... I WONT GET TO have my way. Crazy Decider words.... even the choice of terms I use are SUBJECTIVE ('get to' 'opinion') and speak volumes about perceived judgement leading to irrational immobilization & identity invalidation . This is great. Like a mirror but the reflection is reality.
Yess 👏🏾 Definitely sharing this clip, thank you so much 🙏🏾
it's fascinating to see the evolution of the way they talk to and about their audience in their video's over time. I wonder if the type of people that choose to interact with them also changes over time. And if so whether those two aspects are correlated somehow.
Sensing: Proving
Intuition: Overview
Video Title: Overview of the OPS 9 Coins
Who do you think titled the video?
Have you guys noticed if there are certain functions that make a person prone to addiction?
I actually just understood everything you say when I made a vídeo for RUclips for people to type me..
And I did exactly that.. I just "proved" how intuitive I was xD
It was actually shoking to find out I use sensory as my second function instead of intuition
By far the best PT video on the internet I've found.
Particularly the part where you talk about the specific words people use to describe their claim.
*MAJOR*
So like, now can you please give us all what we want & tell us what actual type folder you filed CSJ in?
😀
Great video!!! So clear, so much information and sequential!
Leave it to Dave and Shan to call a video "Overview of the OPS 9 Coins" and only talk about seven of them.
• What does Info vs Energy dom mean?
• What does it mean whether a type's top two animals share an observer or a decider?
I’m seeing the word “stuck” as maybe ‘conditional’ or’ irredeemable’ possibly. And “judged” as ‘valid’ or ‘alpha/beta type of hierarchy’
“Judgement” is like socially acceptable compared to “stuck” as freedom over options throughout time.
I’ve been looking for a video explaining this for so long and know I finally know what all this means lmao
Great job with the Info Dom video!
"Perfecting self" could be "Understanding". Ti seeks to understand the world, while Fi seeks to understand themselves.
Not really... Ti stacks logic, Fi stacks values... Both seek to build upon themselves higher and higher
Wow. I don’t know if what I saw actually was an old version of your coins, but if, they went down in number a LOT! Wow...
I thought they were just clarifying a few of them....???
THAAAANK YOOOOU! damn this is golden information, now I know exactly what I'm looking for if I'm trying to type someone.
What about people who are wearing a mask and not saying what's actually on their mind?
That itself can indicate things about a person. They might be wearing a mask in order to get validation from the tribe(Fe/Te). They might be trying to protect themselves somehow. And the way you speak, even if it’s dishonest, will still often reveal how you process things.
i mean there are a myriad of reasons why someone wouldn’t say that. a case could be made for everyone. just depends on the context.
I think even people with masks always leave clues, just my opinion i really could never prove it.
The key is to focus not just in the content, but also in the language. When people aren't being themselves, you can see a lot of disconnections and contradictions between the content and the language. If you pay attention to this, you'll eventually figure out the truth.
I wonder if 'confined fits better than' stuck '.
@4:24 ah yeah. There you go. So for Oe it's more confined
This video was great
thank you for laying out all these coins, now i will not be getting typed by anyone 😂
- entp~
Can what you feel/think what you're responsible for change? I use to want to be committed to the tribe goals through tribe values/agenda. Now I am more responsible for seeking accuracy and more nuanced reality, despite the tribe values.
Within this system, your functions (responsibilities, obligations) don't change, no :)
Something that ive always been concerned about is when i hear people who has worked the same job, for the same company for decades. Never thought that it’s one of my fear that is to be stuck working the same job the same company m, or to just be in in a box.
guess my type
ENFJ - Fe/Se but still not sure if FM or FF since I kind of the one who always learns best when visualise things and when going to practical skills like driving, riding a bike etc, I need a lot of practice until I can do them well
Best so far! Thanks guys!
wonderful, as usual
(NeTi) I don’t necessarily agree with the feminine De avoiding conflict. I have found that I have an extremely overbearing Di that I will stand behind no matter what. Whatever makes sense to me, whatever I found is logically valid, is what really is, and there’s no way around that. Others’ thoughts, I’ll take into consideration, but they’re usually wrong if they don’t align with my own. My Fe is super laid back. Whatever anyone says or does, I’ll try to understand and I’ll go along with it, but if someone wants to get down to the core of what I think, then I’ll be as blunt as can be about (my perspective of) the truth, with warning that they’ll most like not like what I’m gonna say. I may have a misunderstanding of masculine-feminine functions due to an Ni->Si lack of understanding, and I may be exerting a feminine Ti right now by sounding unsure in my opinions. I just tend to always disagree with others, bringing my own thoughts to fruition if someone tries to impose something that I disagree with. Other than that, I’m fairly compliant with others compared to the other NeTis I know.
I just deleted a whole paragraph of info because I realized it being an example
of a masculine Ti, so I’d rather pose it as an example for something I’d normally say
“By the way, I’ve studied this for 4.5 years and some of your adaptions are theories I’m starting to accept because I see the logical validity. I might request clarification in areas i’m still uncertain about yet still trying to decipher, but know that I am not someone who will accept others opinions in areas that I’m sure of, without general examples with conclusions in direct alignment with the functions as a whole. What I ask is clarification on masculine-feminine functions. If I am clearly exerting one or the other, and if so, give me self-evident reasons of how”
I can see many possible ways that I could have feminine TI masculine Fe and vise versa, but they all stem for differences in core definitions of these concepts which I ask you to differentiate. I almost ask that you act like an ENTP and try to explain it in alignment with your understanding of NeTi. I know this is stupid hard because I always try to adopt functions of others that oppose mine, and I physically can’t. I also realize that I’m one of those ENTPs that type a whole bunch and never end up saying much. I realized this a long time ago, trust me, so I just ask for some Fe understanding to realize that I’m really trying to get to whatever my internal conflict really is. I want y’all to know that y’all do it better than anyone I know. I have books in the making, and I am giving full lectures on Jungian Typology, but a lot of my core summations are derived from your Ni singular conclusions that help me communicate my point. I have no clue what the point of a lot of this was, maybe just to let y’all know I appreciate y’all and recommend y’all to anyone I talk to about this. I may also be kinda drunk because of this burning alcoholism coming from genes and my damn inferior Si (damn you inf Si!!!) That’s it. Apologies if you read to here because I wouldn’t even be able to read this back myself. Much love
What if I do the guessing first but then I feel responsible for providing proof of my guesses so I feel allowed to share them?
Comes down to who's the bad guy... The guess or the proof... You'd have to record yourself and see who you're angry towards
Sorry about all the comments but I am in my sweet spot by myself in the middle of the night. I respect what you are trying to do and am learning a great deal from your videos. I find the two of you certainly bright, inspiring and kind of cute but a bit naive- I wish I could see you both fifty years down the road. Here is the thing, none of us are anything more than a data point in a project that ultimately means nothing. All else is hubris so at some point the best any of us can do is let go. Doing so sometime before your death is the only way to experience the wonder that follows freedom.
I'd say you're probably Di single decider and NF
@@chrisandmany3587 nope
Well, there is a kind of meaning... it's for God's pleasure. The short term goal is salvation of souls to share that pleasure with. But the long term is simply life forever. What that entails can't even be imagined. Ultimately, without that understanding, this is all indeed "meaningless". All things are vanity. I wonder how people think they're setting long term goals by figuring out their life 50 years ahead... it's not only vain, it's simply not even close to enough planning, to be honest. The ULTIMATE end of any thing in this dimension is simply vanity. But there is indeed a kind of end, in a kind of existential never-ending newness which some of us get to experience hereafter and ever after. Simply by believing in Jesus. Don't go to church, though, they've lost the way. But the Bible is good. Jesus is God. He died so we could be with Him by belief in Him, not belief in ourselves or our works or our behavior. We want decent behavior, but it doesn't save us at all. He does. It is that easy and it is so that we can be with Him in eternity and He will share His pleasure with us. We cannot FATHOM what that means, but it's true. Being younger, sometimes that looks far-away, sometimes it looks too close, comprehending that mystery. But I can see it as an old man... the "never-going back, what's this all for, I am facing uncertainty soon, what a seeming waste." That's the body and brain talking. There is a higher mind that reveals the truth, though. It requires being bodiless in understanding - spiritual, outside of one's self. You have to trick the body into thinking it is immortal for a moment in order to tap into the understanding of what seems only abstract in this moment in order to catch a glimpse. But the Holy Spirit comforts His children. It's true. Again, not many in church get this anymore... very many are relying on looking at their own perceived "faithfulness" to God as proof of His saving them, as proof that they will inherit the Kingdom. It's vile, really. This body does not inherit that... so nothing coming from this body is proof. But it is the testimony that agrees with the Truth that is as close as we can get to certainty, and it is subjective on our part, by faith. God gives grace to those with that boldness, because we agree that this is all His, that HE IS GOOD and in us there is nothing good, just vanity after vanity, no matter what we try to fill the time with. The only useful work is waking His children up to the fact of His reality.... it's the only work that isn't wasted, the only work that won't burn up.
Na. I don't think so. Same Ole religion misleading the vulnerable. You should be ashamed.
(Ingenious ISTP) OPS should start a cryptocurrency. It is only fitting seeing that they deal in "coins" already. Or one crypto per Cognitive function. Use it like a swear jar, invest in your Demons every time you "tidal wave" or default on your responsibilities. #richforlife
"Feminine Fe is gonna spend the most time figuring out how to word things" // Me, a Ni/Ti with Fem-De, mas-N and Blast Last: I'm screwed :P
Thanks for sharing but I was getting confused sometimes by what topic you where talking about and when you moved on. I think you missed sleep too but I’ll watch again. Wold be helpful to slow down and have distinct cues going through that much different stuff.
How do you distinguish between the bottom two animals?
Basically Consume is googling, watching, reading, etc. Blast is teaching, talking, lessons, etc.
Think “taking in” vs. “putting out”
Thanks but I wasn't clear enough. Not the bottom two animals on the checklist, but on a function stack.
Eg: pc/s(b) vs pc/b(s)
@@drosos_strength_coaching oh i see. i would look into Info dominant vs Energy dominant. that’s how i figured it out myself.
@@insecureintellectual4783 thanks! Shouldn't it be on the checklist ?
You forgot info vs energy dom
Yes, very close. I am INFJ. I was asked recently what I am afraid of the most. I said I am afraid of stagnation.
I’ve been watching you guys for over a year now. I feel you both are onto something big in the scientific world. However, after a year of watching you, I still get confused when you use the terms Observer and Decider, Oe, De, Oi, Di and Double vs Single. I think if you were able to break down those words or change them, it would be much easier to understand.
they don’t read comments, and they’re not gonna change it. but the information is on their website and in other videos. just takes a bit of memorization.
Gotta watch their older videos for definition of the terms
I disagree.
Planning is preparing.
Preparing does not always mean you know exactly what you are preparing for. It is not focus specific.
As an Ne user(INTP), I will plan for everything within my window of want or should want(Ni critic and Fi last is really "fun").
My Ti is confused by your statement.
Can someone who knows more about this elaborate on the "spatial timelines" they talked about? Like what does that even mean?
They talking about how we organize our memories. When you listen to a person who has masculine sensory telling a story, for example, they can tell exacty when and where each thing happened. A person with masculine intuition wouldn't remember a lot of these details, but they would be able to visualize clearly the context, the patterns and the connections.
There's a video where they talk about mS vs mN, back then they defined it as detailed memory vs visual recall. They're reajusting the definitions but the core patterns remain the same, so I believe that video is still useful, you should check it out.
@@josehenriquefs888 thanks!
Haha, I do horizontal drilling in Oregon and Lake ass-we-go is a horrible place to drill/dig
Ha, getting punch in the face with something light is easy. Even a baby could punch back and you'd take it seriously. I'm talking about FE.
Excellent!
I thought I was fairly organised, until I saw those Pinterest bullet journals. Meanwhile I'm over here with weekly and daily post-its 🤣
5:03 There are exactly ZERO websites where Si is described as "likes christimas."
But what about N and Di?
They are coins right so that's how they described it
Good video 👍
What's Shan's personality type?
Entj tese
3:23 Forever. Forever?
Forever Ever. Forever Ever?
11:55 omg I relate to that a lot as a feminine Te
Awesome!!!
I find all of this kind of interesting. But could you explain how Tony Robbins comes into this? Why is his definition of human needs such a big part of your theory? You say, that you try to confront MBTI with the scientific method. Yet you take cues from self help gurus like Robbins, Peterson, Gary V,.. . I think you need to look at these people way more critically.
Tony robbins has met and helped thousands of people. He's seen the whole spectrum
They're not JUST doing science; they also include a whole dimension of how to use understanding of personality type for self-improvement.
As for Tony Robbins' personality needs (which are, by the way, based on sociology), they do take the idea critically; he was just a spark of inspiration for them because they started noticing his model everywhere. The classical temperaments for instance (sanguine, choleric, melancholic, phlegmatic) and elements (air, fire, earth, water) when applied to people-reading correspond to the SAME four human needs (respectively: variety = Oe, tribe consensus = De, control = Oi, identity = Di); people have been noticing these patterns independently for thousands of years, and Tony Robbins is just one of the most recent in that long line. So it shouldn't be dismissed solely on the basis that "some 'guru' guy said it".
At the end of the day what distinguishes science from pseudoscience isn't how you arrived at a hypothesis, but whether it works. OP has gotten their system to work, and that's all that matters to evaluating its scientific methodological validity.
To be honest. I find this OP MBTI stuff interesting. But the way, they treat self help gurus in their videos really makes me think, that OP is way more on the side self help/ marketing stuff, than a scientific interest to understand humans better.
Check out münecat's video on Tony Robbins.
@@daniellieder9914 No reason it can't be both. Or that it started out as one thing and became something else.
It's gotta be valid to help.
Tony is legit. And so are his humans needs -just try em out.
WHAT ARE THOSE
omg 13 mins yaaayyyy
This is a VERY big area of mis-typing.
How does feminine Te differ from Fe???????
Te is more concerned with making things work, Fe is more concerned about "the vibe of the room". Both fTe and fFe avoid conflict, but fTe does this by trying to solve the problem, getting the tasks done, while fFe does this by trying to be sympathetic, directly showing that they care about the feelings of the tribe. For instance, if a child is crying because a toy is broken, Te's first reaction is trying to fix the toy, Fe's first reaction is trying to comfort the child. (Of course, in real life, this would be a little bit more tricky, because there would be other functions at play)
And even so they have objectively typed thousands of people :). This is why I trust them...
For the person who does not mingle with people, is an extrovert - if I am to understand Jung correctly.
Hence why Psychology dropped the idea of type, in favour of behaviour!
Yep
This is it guys. This is it.
5:27 what if I panic either way :)
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Stuck = not free
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I.need.to.prove.how.much.I.am.what.I.am.not.to.feel.complete.
Hi. I'm Mustafa Again. Nice to see you. Please, do you want to give me a good source code explantion for todays Topic? You look stunning today, sadly as INFP (and?) likes to feel and be.
I need the header too ... I'm INFP ... no, ai'm Asperger
Oh Right :)
I may be back in subscription