Yes hahah other than That I prefer the route he gave us but it would have been nice to see Robb kill that little shit and gray wind bite his head of with one snap of the jaw with golden curls stuck in his teeth. That’s the story I want the surviving soldiers to go tell his grand father tywin and his mother.
@@tanman49 I’d rather see Tyrion kill John, as he backs and advises someone to the Throne. If Tyrion took the throne, and immediately had a moment, defending the city, he may gain the favor of the people, as ruler. Tyrion is better as an adviser, or the man behind the man, who runs the Soft Machine. I really want Martin to show that the fairy tale, almost never happens, and even what is thought of as such in history, is stained with the blood of innocents. It’s like, when people or even historians, talk about how romantic Cleopatra and Antony were, yet she first seduced Caesar, into helping save Egypt, then then Antony, which got the library destroyed(maybe), and many killed, including herself. Everything about her last days was fabricated by whatever servants, and storytellers, from the time. The death by snake, her having actual love for either man, as opposed to allying herself, or Caesar marrying her on a whim, as a display of how Rome’s new Emperor would rule. It’s full of conjecture, hypothesis and legends, now.
@@heathermartinez2954 even so they would have been his nephews. Also, them being his children is pretty much what started all the trouble, so it's unlikely that it wasn't planned from the beginning
@@salemtargaryen123 I think it's more of a "grand scheme" kind of view, with Jaimie still putting House Lanister on the iron throne even though he murdered the kids. He betrayed them, but the family as a whole 'benefited'
Honestly the story we got was a huge improvement. It’s hard to imagine Sansa or Jaime becoming a villain especially with how their character arcs have been going in the books.
Especially those two. But in the books when joff died and Jamie was standing guard of the body he looked at him and found it strange he didn’t feel a thing and that’s his son he is looking at. Maybe he knows Joffrey is right where he belongs.
@@tanman49 “Joffrey was nothing more to me than a squirt of seed in Cersei’s cunt. And he deserved to die.” - Jamie’s thoughts when sending Brienne to find Sansa I guess since Jaime could never be a father, he never saw them as his kids.
I kind of can. He thinks some really nasty things about his kids. I think at one point he calls them a byproduct of good sex or something. He really thinks of them very lowly before he loses his hand.
These storylines would have ruined the beautiful sibling relationships between Jaime and Tyrion & Arya and Jon we have come to love. I’m glad the betrayal and incest was directed elsewhere.
The betrayal is still there in the books with the whole Tysha story. Jaime lied to Tyrion about her being a whore, so Tyrion told Jaime HE killed Joeffrey just to hurt his brother
@@christopheredwards452 Arthur Morgan is probably one of the most beloved fictional characters and he's a murderous thug, so it doesn't really matter to most people.
He's a gardner his story grows as he writes its a pain as a bad gardner you character might change cuz you right but you also have to make sure it goes with what was the beginning it leads to a lot of rewrites if you want it or like the way it grew.
There's ideas writers play with in there heads and then when reading what they wrote to that point they think no scrap it because even an novice writer should know it's got to make sense in the rules of the fiction world they built up in the early stages.
I'm going to pretend that the proposed love triangle was going to involve both Arya and Jon pursuing Tyrion, and ignore any other potential interpretation. LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA
Bro this Jamie woulda been a DEMON. The Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep and he sure as hell dont concern himself with that child support 😂😂😂
I do like the idea of Sansa becoming evil. She had the traits, imagine her becoming just as callous as Cersei and use Joffrey similair to Meargery and become queen, than put Cersei away/in the ground and poison Joffrey as revenge for Ned. Than becoming queen and fighting Jon/Arya who are still fighting for an indeoendent north
The treatment she received at the hands of the Lannisters was appalling, I can imagine the minute she became a queen she’d begin planning how to get Joffrey and Cersei out of her life!
I’m convinced Martin is taking forever because he’s rewriting the ending. He told the show runners and they did it and then Martin saw how much everyone hated it. So he had to rewrite it.
It said he gave them an outline. Just because they knew where the characters were supposed to end up or who kills whom doesn't mean they got any of the details right. They definitely didn't get any of the character work done right. He may alter some things but I doubt that has anything to do with his lazy writing. Man just has no motivation to finish.
The ending of the show isn’t the ending of the series, the show writers cut out tons of material and made so many changes that the two really don’t fit together anymore
You know. This explains a Lot about the character interactions we see in the first book. He may have scrapped this plan but, like a game with leftover code for features and stories that didnt make it to the release date, i can see where he had planted the seeds for this, and where maybe His oppinions/internal views on characters never really changed. It. It really does make sense
I remember as a 14 year old reading through the books for the first time. The show wasn’t even a thought in HBO’s mind at that time. 2007 or 2008 maybe. I wanted so bad for a showdown between Robb, who was around my age reading the books, against Joffrey. And then the Red Wedding happened. If the tone of the books hadn’t already been set with the death of Ned, it definitely was right then and there 😂 I was so pissed
Sansa was the real villan in first season who told all the secret of his father to cersei. She also lied when Joffrey attacked arya and because of which the poor staple boy and her wolf died. She always trusted wrong people like little finger, that drunken knight, hightower family because they were good looking. And always hated people who helped her like sandor clagaine and Tyrion. Whereas these are the people who were honest with her and helped her. Just because they were ugly looking people.
She kinda is though. "Snitches get stitches" is a saying for a reason. Sandor referring to her as a little bird, and Varys referring to his informants as little birds, basically is calling her snitch. She like her mother, who has a similar problem. They really are a fish out of water.
Sansa betraying her family works because she believed the stories of the "knight in shining armor" (or whatever the Westeros equivalent is.) Further, she grew up knowing as the firstborn daughter, she'd likely be married into a high house. It takes until the execution of her father to finally get over her infatuation with Joffrey, but you could easily change into a Stockholm Syndrome love, or even just her believing the Lannister lies. Tyrion, Arya, Jon love triangle, not so much. Provided the characters remain roughly the same personality-wise, Arya is clearly closer to Jon than any of her other siblings but that's more due to them both being outcasts (Arya famously unfeminine, Jon being a bastard), and shared ideas of individuality. Maybe a relationship could work, but only if revealed that Jon isn't a Snow from her father early on. While Tyrian and Arya do share some similar ideals (like the hatred of being misunderstood and being underestimated), but I don't think she would be able to get over him being a Lannister nor I think she would share much in common with him other than those few ideals. Then again, this is all moot and GRRM is a much better writer than I am so he could have probably made both plotlines work.
Ngl I like some aspects of this story with Sansa betrayal arc pretty much staying the same. Jaime killing his kids would have only worked if he didn’t know they were his kids. Imagine the heartbreak if he did it and found out the truth later from say Tyrion? Wow…
Now that sounds interesting, but I think in this version Jon isn’t a Targaryen and is a bastard so that makes him and Arya getting together a bit weird but if we only ever saw them in a romantic light rather than a sibling way it could work, it wouldn’t be the first brother sister relationship for the starks, I think this could have been really interesting to read even if it isn’t as good as what we got
Be pretty hard to make it unknown they weren't his. George would have had to change their hair color to make it believable. Robert must have had his blinders on to not have figured it out. I know they didn't know a lot about genetics back then but that's ridiculous.
By “psyoped” do you mean she just raised her? Catelyn isn’t Northern so it makes perfect sense she’d pass along Southron values by default, that’s not a psyop lol
FYI this was never meant to be the real book outline, George said his publisher didn't want to print GoT without an outline ready so George (who doesn't like to work based on outlines) made one up just to so they'd publish his book.
I’m so happy George let Jaime grow into the complex character he is instead of the generic bad guy. He honestly might be my favorite character. I flip between him, Tyrion, and Daenerys. I do love Cersei too. She’s one of those characters who is so fun hate, and her POV chapters are some of my favorite. Actually, all the Lannister POVs are amazing
In the actual 1st book Sansa did in fact betray the Starks. Remember Sansa was incredibly upset when Ned had gotten the ship and told Sansa and Arya that he was sending them back to Winterfell. Joffrey had just apologized to Sansa and gifted her a necklace. She was so mad at Ned that she (Sansa) had immediately run straight to Cersei and told her that her father had gotten a ship and was secretly sending them back North. That is betrayal, and she most certainly did choose Joffrey over Ned. Sansa is a traitor imho.
In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
That is not even close to “betraying her family”. She was a tween girl who had no idea of the stakes, partially because Ned continuously hid the situation from her.
@@j.c.jeggis1818Arya was just 8 years old at the time and she would never do that shit, also that was not the only time Sansa prefered the Lannister over her own family, when Joffrey was attack by arya's wolf, she knew the true and even told his father what really happen, but when she was called to testefied she prefered no talk because she want to be like by Joffrey, and even when her wolf was killed because she lied, she still blame arya
I was going to ask for sources. But to be honest your vid description seems pretty open and legit as it is, so… Anyways pretty interesting trivia, but I’m very glad george changed things
You can tell with Sansa how Martin's "gardening" writing style effected her story. Early on in the first book, shes very antagonistic towards almost everyone in her family but you can tell George just didnt feel it was natural for her to just become Geoffrey's timid wife. No one in her position would fall into that role in a believable way, and the Sansa we get from Clash onwards is SUCH a better character for it.
It's good George scrapped this. Tyrion pulling a Theon? Jaime murdering his children and framing his beloved little brother would have made him an iredeemable villain. A love triangle between Jon, Arya and Jon?My goodness, thank God for the stroke of genius that was within him.
The outline only says that Jaime becomes King after killing the heirs in front of him, but that might not mean all the heirs including Tommen. Could just mean Joffrey’s children, then he seizes the throne when the line of succession is less clear.
I mean didn’t Sansa technically choose the king over her family until he showed his true colors? Ngl I’ve never been happy to see a child’s death in a show but damn it when he was poisoned I sure was happy asf 🤣☠️ just wish the mother got more punishment than she did 🤷🏽♂️💯
@@perlundgren7797In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
This version makes more sense then what we have now. Sansa only hated Joffrey Bc of the killing of her dire wolf and her father and her quick change of mind on wanting to marry him didn’t make sense to me. And if tyrian was younger and Aria was older with Jon technically not being her brother (even still incest was common then) would make an interesting triangle
Everytime I see content like this im getting a little worried about Mr. Martin's mental state. He is putting his dark fantasies on books claiming they are stories.
Writer: writes about things that aren’t perfectly sanitized Disney adventures Weirdos on the internet: my simple brain can only conclude that the writer wants to murder children
In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
I think Sansa's betrayal was a lot more complicated than that. She wqs forced to marry Joeffery and had his children. What was she supposed to do after that? Plot against her own children?
A older arya would have been interesting and a love triangle would have been WILD. I would 100% read that 😂. I can already see older arya fighting Jon over him
10/10 series i am currently on season5’s episode 3 and so excited to see further story it is the best story series yet made i am so thankful to myself for watching this series😅❤
Shows the complicated process of writing and how sometimes taking your time and not accepting your first ideas every time is good. Puts a lot of pressure on WoW
Time traveler: moves a chair
While moving the chair, you fart on a fly
More like Bran dream walks to the pass and accidently farted in the past when Tyrion was standing beside Tywin which started Tywin's hate for Tyrion.
@RicePho this sounds canon
YOU BROKE THE CANON!!!!
@@damienlarson4145 how did he break CANON!
Only thing that is better here than in the actual books is that robb kills that little shit
Yes
Yes hahah other than That I prefer the route he gave us but it would have been nice to see Robb kill that little shit and gray wind bite his head of with one snap of the jaw with golden curls stuck in his teeth. That’s the story I want the surviving soldiers to go tell his grand father tywin and his mother.
😂😂😂
Robb dies anyways 😢
@@tanman49
I’d rather see Tyrion kill John, as he backs and advises someone to the Throne. If Tyrion took the throne, and immediately had a moment, defending the city, he may gain the favor of the people, as ruler.
Tyrion is better as an adviser, or the man behind the man, who runs the Soft Machine.
I really want Martin to show that the fairy tale, almost never happens, and even what is thought of as such in history, is stained with the blood of innocents.
It’s like, when people or even historians, talk about how romantic Cleopatra and Antony were, yet she first seduced Caesar, into helping save Egypt, then then Antony, which got the library destroyed(maybe), and many killed, including herself.
Everything about her last days was fabricated by whatever servants, and storytellers, from the time.
The death by snake, her having actual love for either man, as opposed to allying herself, or Caesar marrying her on a whim, as a display of how Rome’s new Emperor would rule. It’s full of conjecture, hypothesis and legends, now.
I like how Jamie killing his children is not considered betraying his family
lmfao ikr???
They might not have been his babies in the original.
@@heathermartinez2954 even so they would have been his nephews. Also, them being his children is pretty much what started all the trouble, so it's unlikely that it wasn't planned from the beginning
@@salemtargaryen123 I think it's more of a "grand scheme" kind of view, with Jaimie still putting House Lanister on the iron throne even though he murdered the kids. He betrayed them, but the family as a whole 'benefited'
Hahahaaa.
Tyrion: "Please! You must stop this!"
Jon and Arya: "Back off! He's mine!"
Ah…perfection.
This should be top comment lmao
Honestly the story we got was a huge improvement. It’s hard to imagine Sansa or Jaime becoming a villain especially with how their character arcs have been going in the books.
How is it hard to imagine jaime as a villain? He was already basically a villain in book 1 and 2
@@mrj4082 Yeah but that's not where his arc is heading. Personally I can't see it either.
Wow really I think they are still villains. Sansa’s got her father killed Jamie pushed Bran out of a window. Doesn’t get much shittier than that.
@@mrj4082 Jaimes arc has been building up his redemption. Show did the same thing before Season 8 fucked up everything
We’ll never know. It would’ve been a different story and characters from the start.
Bro, that Tyrion x Arya x Jon love triangle would have been WILD 😂
🤢
Arya always has that glance when she looks at jon 🤔😏🤫
@@Pampowski_AGwho wouldnt..
@@Pampowski_AGBecause he's like her brother and she loves him..
@@heynotizzy7493he IS her brother
So to clarify, Jamie kills his kids for the throne but Tyrion is considered the traitor? Got it, that makes sense
Then Tyrion sacks winterfell then joins the starks?😂 don’t u think they would be a little upset by that
@@mevgod2160I think he said Tyrion sacks Casterly Rock like Theon sacked Winterfell.
I was like "Tyrion and John together?!"
💀💀
The truth is so much worse
Hey; Tyrion would finally be with someone who treats him right. And Jon would finally be with someone who isn't dead. 😂
Only redeemable part of this
😂she really did love him it was just much better as nonsexual sibs because the Lannisters and targeryans have that covered
The best part is Robb killing Joffrey. Yesss
Honestly, that was kinda the only thing I liked about this...
And then Jaime kills Robb…
I'm picturing The Hound eating chicken while watching Robb chase after a screeching Joffrey for 20 minutes.😂
But Joffrey getting poisoned was awesome. I loved that scene.
Yeah, but that would mean this alternate Joffrey is brave enough to go into battle. Gotta give him point over the canon version!
I can't imagine Jaime actually wanting to kill his babies
Especially those two. But in the books when joff died and Jamie was standing guard of the body he looked at him and found it strange he didn’t feel a thing and that’s his son he is looking at. Maybe he knows Joffrey is right where he belongs.
@@tanman49 “Joffrey was nothing more to me than a squirt of seed in Cersei’s cunt. And he deserved to die.”
- Jamie’s thoughts when sending Brienne to find Sansa
I guess since Jaime could never be a father, he never saw them as his kids.
Yeah. Literally everyone loves Tommen and Myrcela.
I kind of can. He thinks some really nasty things about his kids. I think at one point he calls them a byproduct of good sex or something. He really thinks of them very lowly before he loses his hand.
The Jaimie in this version would be different than the Jaimie in the version you know.
These storylines would have ruined the beautiful sibling relationships between Jaime and Tyrion & Arya and Jon we have come to love. I’m glad the betrayal and incest was directed elsewhere.
You right Reeny! Good to have some wholesome family mixed in with all the rest!
The betrayal is still there in the books with the whole Tysha story. Jaime lied to Tyrion about her being a whore, so Tyrion told Jaime HE killed Joeffrey just to hurt his brother
Bruh what? Did you forget Tyrion’s sole purpose in life now is to kill Jamie and kill/r*pe cersi
What a beautiful sibling relationship indeed
@@MacTac141 exactly
@@mildlyfrostedbegelsJaime didn't give a sh*t about Joff
Still better story than s8 of GOT
Agree😅
There is no comparison 😂
I really really disagreed
Nah at least you could fix season 8 this is straight ass
Highly disagree. The problem with s8 wasn’t the story, it was the pace it took to get there.
This is one of those alternate timelines that happens when a time traveller moves a chair. 😂
George RR Martin's chair to be exact😂😂😂😂
Is that what tyrion was trying to do in S8 when he spent like 30 minutes moving a chair around? lol
@@samueljay8519😂😂😂😂
@@samueljay8519yoooo 😩😂😂
Seven hells, I'm glad we got the version we did. I love my boy Jaime so much
did push a child out a window...
@@christopheredwards452 Arthur Morgan is probably one of the most beloved fictional characters and he's a murderous thug, so it doesn't really matter to most people.
@@christopheredwards452He would lose his handsome head if he didnt, so yeah...😝
@@christopheredwards452as me and my brother say, its just bran
Incest fan😮
Writers who know what they have isn't good enough are the best kind.
He's a gardner his story grows as he writes
its a pain as a bad gardner
you character might change cuz you right but you also have to make sure it goes with what was the beginning it leads to a lot of
rewrites if you want it or like the way it grew.
There's ideas writers play with in there heads and then when reading what they wrote to that point they think no scrap it because even an novice writer should know it's got to make sense in the rules of the fiction world they built up in the early stages.
Tbf that's most writers, that's why they write more than one draft
A stark-lanister child would have been an interesting character
A faceless dwarf 😂😂
I'm going to pretend that the proposed love triangle was going to involve both Arya and Jon pursuing Tyrion, and ignore any other potential interpretation.
LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA
Yes please😂👍🏼
Based
One of the most revolting love triangles imagined. 🤮
Well... they are cousins, so it's fine. Wait! What's that? You say they are like sibling? Do i need to tell you about the Targaryens queer customs? 😂
The True Ending 👍
I mean, I'd call Jaime killing his kids and pinning it on Tyrion a pretty sizable betrayal as well.
Fun fact: in Elden Ring, you can see remnants of the old design inspiration for John and Arya in Diallos and Lanya.
Please tell me more
Bro this Jamie woulda been a DEMON. The Lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep and he sure as hell dont concern himself with that child support 😂😂😂
I do like the idea of Sansa becoming evil. She had the traits, imagine her becoming just as callous as Cersei and use Joffrey similair to Meargery and become queen, than put Cersei away/in the ground and poison Joffrey as revenge for Ned. Than becoming queen and fighting Jon/Arya who are still fighting for an indeoendent north
The treatment she received at the hands of the Lannisters was appalling, I can imagine the minute she became a queen she’d begin planning how to get Joffrey and Cersei out of her life!
She already has become a mini Cersei in the Tv show that is
@@360entertainment2in that story line she actually chooses Joffrey over her father
She was evil
YES
The first drafts by george had an even more interesting plot line revolving around jon and arya…
Elaborate??
@@Astro.babyyy
Incest.
Bro really wanted incest in his story lol
Wincest,I hear.
@@EmyN he wanted MORE lets not forget the entire targaryen family and Cersie + Jamie
*any stark/targaryen woman walks by*
jon snow: hear me out
Love triangle is not complete without john having crush on Tyrion or vice versa, and I can kinda see the complete love triangle
A love triangle between Jon, Tyrion and Sansa? Bro wtf.
Arya
No, see that would make much more sense. He said Arya tho 😮
Love triangle between Jon, Arya and Tyrion. Jon and Arya ended up together in GRRM's first draft till he scrapped that ending
It would have been better
Wasn’t Arya compared to Lyanna (Jon’s mother) before
I’m convinced Martin is taking forever because he’s rewriting the ending. He told the show runners and they did it and then Martin saw how much everyone hated it. So he had to rewrite it.
It said he gave them an outline. Just because they knew where the characters were supposed to end up or who kills whom doesn't mean they got any of the details right. They definitely didn't get any of the character work done right. He may alter some things but I doubt that has anything to do with his lazy writing. Man just has no motivation to finish.
@@BeepBeepJohnnyit's been stated that he gave approval for the seasons so
The ending of the show isn’t the ending of the series, the show writers cut out tons of material and made so many changes that the two really don’t fit together anymore
How would Jaime trying to frame Tyrion not count as him betraying his family?
Or killing his own children?
It would
You know. This explains a Lot about the character interactions we see in the first book. He may have scrapped this plan but, like a game with leftover code for features and stories that didnt make it to the release date, i can see where he had planted the seeds for this, and where maybe His oppinions/internal views on characters never really changed. It. It really does make sense
I remember as a 14 year old reading through the books for the first time. The show wasn’t even a thought in HBO’s mind at that time. 2007 or 2008 maybe. I wanted so bad for a showdown between Robb, who was around my age reading the books, against Joffrey. And then the Red Wedding happened. If the tone of the books hadn’t already been set with the death of Ned, it definitely was right then and there 😂 I was so pissed
Wouldn't Jaime killing Marcella and Tomen also count as betraying your family?
A little child killing after sex is just what the Lanisters do? It's how they party. Not a six year old left in the kingdom.
Bold to assume George would create an outline
Underrated comment. Should be at the top.
Somehow jaime taking the throne seems like something he would never aspire to do
I’m so glad GRRM changed the story. I just don’t like Sansa as a villain.
I hate sansa.
Edit: Daenerys as well.
I dont like any of that at all
Sansa was the real villan in first season who told all the secret of his father to cersei.
She also lied when Joffrey attacked arya and because of which the poor staple boy and her wolf died.
She always trusted wrong people like little finger, that drunken knight, hightower family because they were good looking.
And always hated people who helped her like sandor clagaine and Tyrion.
Whereas these are the people who were honest with her and helped her. Just because they were ugly looking people.
She kinda is though. "Snitches get stitches" is a saying for a reason. Sandor referring to her as a little bird, and Varys referring to his informants as little birds, basically is calling her snitch.
She like her mother, who has a similar problem. They really are a fish out of water.
Not as a villain, just someone that made a bad decision. A horrible one
Sansa betraying her family works because she believed the stories of the "knight in shining armor" (or whatever the Westeros equivalent is.) Further, she grew up knowing as the firstborn daughter, she'd likely be married into a high house. It takes until the execution of her father to finally get over her infatuation with Joffrey, but you could easily change into a Stockholm Syndrome love, or even just her believing the Lannister lies.
Tyrion, Arya, Jon love triangle, not so much. Provided the characters remain roughly the same personality-wise, Arya is clearly closer to Jon than any of her other siblings but that's more due to them both being outcasts (Arya famously unfeminine, Jon being a bastard), and shared ideas of individuality. Maybe a relationship could work, but only if revealed that Jon isn't a Snow from her father early on. While Tyrian and Arya do share some similar ideals (like the hatred of being misunderstood and being underestimated), but I don't think she would be able to get over him being a Lannister nor I think she would share much in common with him other than those few ideals.
Then again, this is all moot and GRRM is a much better writer than I am so he could have probably made both plotlines work.
Boy, saying Tyrion would be in a love triangle with Jon and Arya and then revealing the age change later made for a wild emotional ride 😂
Ngl I like some aspects of this story with Sansa betrayal arc pretty much staying the same. Jaime killing his kids would have only worked if he didn’t know they were his kids. Imagine the heartbreak if he did it and found out the truth later from say Tyrion? Wow…
Now that sounds interesting, but I think in this version Jon isn’t a Targaryen and is a bastard so that makes him and Arya getting together a bit weird but if we only ever saw them in a romantic light rather than a sibling way it could work, it wouldn’t be the first brother sister relationship for the starks, I think this could have been really interesting to read even if it isn’t as good as what we got
Be pretty hard to make it unknown they weren't his. George would have had to change their hair color to make it believable. Robert must have had his blinders on to not have figured it out. I know they didn't know a lot about genetics back then but that's ridiculous.
“How much betrayal do you want”
“Yes”
Just the thought of Jamie and Tyrion not having a good relationship initially is making me nauseous
I couldn’t imagine Jamie betraying Tyrion
Read there books
That is such a mindfuck to imagine when you know how those characters turned out
The first one (Sansa) makes sense in everything, because her mother psyoped her to make her think as a southron damsel and not as a northern woman.
👏👏👏👏
Sansa was the only Stark able to play the subtle game of thrones. It would be a great personality layer added to the character.
Oh my god! You're a crazy person!
By “psyoped” do you mean she just raised her? Catelyn isn’t Northern so it makes perfect sense she’d pass along Southron values by default, that’s not a psyop lol
@@threenumbnutsCatelyn adheres to northern customs and traditions cuz she lives and married in the North but she raised Sansa differently
This is why the story is legendary. It started as a medieval soap opera but it developed into something character driven.
I mean it started weird but when it came to the love triangle I lost it. Maybe the ending of the story should really be up to our imaginations😂😭
I hear the sound of thousands of slash writers racing to their computers
So.....thank God it was scrapped
FYI this was never meant to be the real book outline, George said his publisher didn't want to print GoT without an outline ready so George (who doesn't like to work based on outlines) made one up just to so they'd publish his book.
I’m so happy George let Jaime grow into the complex character he is instead of the generic bad guy. He honestly might be my favorite character. I flip between him, Tyrion, and Daenerys. I do love Cersei too. She’s one of those characters who is so fun hate, and her POV chapters are some of my favorite. Actually, all the Lannister POVs are amazing
I'm so glad this was scrapped, and yet now I wanna see the AU
In the actual 1st book Sansa did in fact betray the Starks. Remember Sansa was incredibly upset when Ned had gotten the ship and told Sansa and Arya that he was sending them back to Winterfell. Joffrey had just apologized to Sansa and gifted her a necklace. She was so mad at Ned that she (Sansa) had immediately run straight to Cersei and told her that her father had gotten a ship and was secretly sending them back North. That is betrayal, and she most certainly did choose Joffrey over Ned. Sansa is a traitor imho.
In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
That is not even close to “betraying her family”. She was a tween girl who had no idea of the stakes, partially because Ned continuously hid the situation from her.
She was 11. Lmao traitor
she was a spoiled brat
@@j.c.jeggis1818Arya was just 8 years old at the time and she would never do that shit, also that was not the only time Sansa prefered the Lannister over her own family, when Joffrey was attack by arya's wolf, she knew the true and even told his father what really happen, but when she was called to testefied she prefered no talk because she want to be like by Joffrey, and even when her wolf was killed because she lied, she still blame arya
Game of Thrones: Musical chairs edition 😂
I heard about the love triangle before, but it has more sence now that they explained the ages were different
Thank goodness that was scrapped. I would say I need therapy after watching this series... but I'm already in therapy
Looks like a fanfic 😂😂
And a one we'd laugh at even if we enjoyed it lmao
I mean, Sansa kinda did betray her family for Joffrey or at least she would have had she been given the chance. She was so in love with that fool.
I was going to ask for sources. But to be honest your vid description seems pretty open and legit as it is, so…
Anyways pretty interesting trivia, but I’m very glad george changed things
Jon Snow aka Aegon Targaryen and Arya Stark together sounds awesome!
So he's a kingslayer and a kinslayer
It's funny how the comments always assume that Arya and Jon would be the ones fighting over Tyrion
You can tell with Sansa how Martin's "gardening" writing style effected her story. Early on in the first book, shes very antagonistic towards almost everyone in her family but you can tell George just didnt feel it was natural for her to just become Geoffrey's timid wife. No one in her position would fall into that role in a believable way, and the Sansa we get from Clash onwards is SUCH a better character for it.
It's good George scrapped this. Tyrion pulling a Theon? Jaime murdering his children and framing his beloved little brother would have made him an iredeemable villain. A love triangle between Jon, Arya and Jon?My goodness, thank God for the stroke of genius that was within him.
I’m glad it was scrapped I like the brother bond between Jamie and Tyrion. Not a fan of the Arya pairing either.
The outline only says that Jaime becomes King after killing the heirs in front of him, but that might not mean all the heirs including Tommen.
Could just mean Joffrey’s children, then he seizes the throne when the line of succession is less clear.
Sing it with me folks
SWEET HOME ALABAMA!🎶🎶🎶
THANK GOD this outline was scraped!!!
I mean didn’t Sansa technically choose the king over her family until he showed his true colors? Ngl I’ve never been happy to see a child’s death in a show but damn it when he was poisoned I sure was happy asf 🤣☠️ just wish the mother got more punishment than she did 🤷🏽♂️💯
This story has an appeal to be fair. It just lacks the unpredictability of the current storyline
Sansa still betrayed her Family in the original story
Got her father killed and we never heard of it again.
@@seekeroftruth45how? What should she have done different?
@@stefans.466 kept her mouth closed
@@stefans.466 In case you haven't read the books, she runs to Cersei and tells her about Ned's plans.
@@perlundgren7797In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
This version makes more sense then what we have now. Sansa only hated Joffrey Bc of the killing of her dire wolf and her father and her quick change of mind on wanting to marry him didn’t make sense to me. And if tyrian was younger and Aria was older with Jon technically not being her brother (even still incest was common then) would make an interesting triangle
Everytime I see content like this im getting a little worried about Mr. Martin's mental state. He is putting his dark fantasies on books claiming they are stories.
Better than what Steven King did at the end of IT.
Writer: writes about things that aren’t perfectly sanitized Disney adventures
Weirdos on the internet: my simple brain can only conclude that the writer wants to murder children
Well Sansa with her naivety kinda betrayed her father by going to the queen and telling her of Ned’s plans to leave King’s landing.
I am calling it now. Jon and Arya do end up together
I think they went the right way in the show. The bond between Tyrion, and Jamie was a big part of Jamie's redemption arc.
Sansa did betrayed the Starks by telling the queen mother about Neds plans tho. Even Tyrion acknowledges that in later books.
In fact, Sansa was manipulated and forced into revealing this information by Cersei herself. Sansa was just a young girl at the time, and she naively believed that Cersei would help her and her family. However, Cersei used this information to her advantage and betrayed Sansa's trust. Sansa's actions were driven by her desire to protect her family and survive in a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
Well thank goodness for whom ever talked him out of that stupidity !!!!
Thank God they scrapped this
i want animated series of this scrapped version
I'm glad that this version was scraped .
Amen for scrapping this idea. Is all I can say.
Except the part where Rob kills the psycho.
Well damn . That’s a lot more complicated. I’ve never read the books but now I want to
If we had this version the books would already be finished. But not as famous as they are now.
I’m so glad the love triangle never happened lol
That tommen drop gets me every time😂😂😮
I think Sansa's betrayal was a lot more complicated than that. She wqs forced to marry Joeffery and had his children.
What was she supposed to do after that? Plot against her own children?
Intro: **did you nUrr?**
Honestly, Sansa did kinda follow this path, at least until she discovered that Joffrey was a real piece of shit.
thank god the love triangle didn’t happen 💀
Wow, that took a biiiig twist at the end there, lol!
That would have been great to see Jamie don't losing his hand & Robb getting a better ending 🤞
A older arya would have been interesting and a love triangle would have been WILD. I would 100% read that 😂. I can already see older arya fighting Jon over him
The more i hear what happened in the books the more sick it sounds. George has a wild ass imagination
Can you imagine bring George's grade school teacher reading his stories?
This sounds like a fun story line.
Maybe GRRM can write an alternate history of Westeros.
👀👀👀 sounds like so many twists and turns different from the movie. I think i might read the book...
10/10 series i am currently on season5’s episode 3 and so excited to see further story it is the best story series yet made i am so thankful to myself for watching this series😅❤
And how did you feel about season 8 after finishing the series? 😅
@@Chelsea_._ i do not want to talk about that❤️😅🔥🤣
@@navjotkhalsa7577 understandable 😭😂
@@Chelsea_._ yes
Bro god of war ragnarock just got released on pc when it will be pirated ❤️🫡🤣😅
In the original outline, Jaime was almost the complete opposite of the character he is now
This version was even better than what we got
I'd like to see a video about Original Outline that sounds sick :O
Shows the complicated process of writing and how sometimes taking your time and not accepting your first ideas every time is good. Puts a lot of pressure on WoW
Thank God for erasers, I guess.
My good ness what is the name of the music you use on these shorts? Sooooo good!
This actually would have been a pretty cool version of the story. I wonder how it would have turned out.