I’m not worried. Because if it doesn’t look good then I won’t waste my money on it. If Bethesda wants my money they have to earn it by making something worth it.
@@FurywavezI guess it depends on what your expectations were. I picked it up at launch and enjoyed it for about 60 hours. I got my money’s worth and was satisfied with that. It doesn’t have the same longevity or absolute level of enjoyment of their other games but if you take away the comparison it’s a competent game on its own
@@THEpicNDtaking away comparisons, and it's competent with its own? Seriously? It's not competent, how can it be if only when you take away comparisons? It might good, but not competent, that's straight fact.
@THEpicND It doesn't depend on anyone's expectations. Way too many people are complaining that Starfield was lame, boring and a significant decline in quality for a Bethesda game, and we've been seeing the same thing in the content released for fallout 76 recently as well. You coming in contradicting someone's given opinion doesn't invalidate anything. This video is about a widely held concern that Bethesda lost their touch and the quality and character of previous beloved titles we all want more of might very well be something we will never see again. So if you don't share that same concern like everyone else... why are you even here? Shill harder bro. Bethesda should stop paying shills and just hire more competent devs.
Bethesda went from a "I will always pre-order their stuff" to a "I'll get it if the reviews are good" to a "If fan reviews are good and I watch five hours of it being streamed and it looks good, then I will consider buying it" real fast.
I'm already at "I'll pirate it first to try it, maybe play it until 500 hours if there's a worthwhile mods to download and only then, maybe I'll consider buying it when it's on sale"
This is not a bethesda problem. This problem is there for almost All the big studios now. Remember cyberpunk? Or what about Ubisoft or the extremely boring game Fortnite was before battle royal. I Don’t preorder games anymore because of these. Normally wait 3-4 months on new games
Yea, they also seem to have bled a serious number of their talented devs over the years. On top of switching their philosophy to "let's make the minimum recquired effort and take the shortest path to making money" It "worked" for a while because people where absolute fans and would buy the products with their eyes closed but now that all the good will is gone and Bethesda doesn't seem like they want to course correct it's probably no going to go that well for them.
Yeah Skyrim was a long time ago and it would be incredibly mediocre by today's standards and it was already kinda overrated in 2011 but it didn't have much competition so it became a cult game. It will be nearly 2 decades old by the time TES6 arrives. I don't think many people realize the extent of improvements needed for TES6 to be even remotely competitive. Witcher 4, Red Dead 3, Squadron 42, future Fromsoftware games and God knows what else could be out by that time. Games that will be compared to TES6 extensively. And Bethesda is not only not improving they've been steadily regressing
@@Rexperto6454I agree but even today Skyrim has a feel no other game has. I love the gold and gems in that game. Especially the glossy precious items. I think people that enjoy Skyrim also enjoy Minecraft But the story has always sucked. Even when it came out I thought I was disappointing
@@Rexperto6454 your hindsight is wrong. It was a great game in 2011 and it's still great today thanks to mods. Can TES6 disappoint? Certainly. Primarily due to high expectations because previous TES games were so great.
This is something you don’t see mentioned enough. Despite Starfields limitations, if it had a solid storyline and good voice acting, it would’ve been forgiven easily. But it didn’t excel at anything.
I initially gave this video a like but after hearing from him that he thinks the biggest issue were the loading screens, I pulled my like away. Starfield has many issues and goes far beyond just the loading screens. That’s why many said that starfield can’t be fixed, because it’s the core of the game that is rotten and you would have to completely overhaul the whole game.
I don't really mind the old janky engine. I don't mind the loading screens. And I don't mind the outdated gameplay mechanics. What I absolutely do mind, is the awful writing. Starfield story is boring, lore is boring, mission design in uninspired, dialogue is cringe and characters are instantly forgettable. The number one biggest attraction of TES as a franchise, is the writing. It is one, if not the, best franchise ever in terms of lore and story. Bethesda have for over a decade now show that the cannot write anything competently, and it is just getting worse and worse. Unless they make drastic changes, I see no way that TES 6 end up anything better than "a semi-fun sandbox experience if you turn your brain off", just like Starfield turned out to be.
@@rickinielsen1 Disagree, one of the attractions of TES is the lore, which already existed since Daggerfall and Morrowind and has been degraded over the years. The writing has been average since Oblivion and been degrading since then. The writing is the weakness of any Bethesda game, so I'm surprised you chose that as more important than anything else.
Starfield is bare bones. Previous BGS games had: 1. Named NPC’s had daily routines & day night cycles. It made BGS games feel alive! 2. Every Named NPC in cities/ villages had their own homes/ bedrooms! 3. Slow mo ‘kill cams’, & combat/ stealth finisher animations (Skyrim/Fo3/4). 4. Decapitation (Skyrim)/ dismemberment (Fo3/4). 5. The Ability to swim underwater. 😅 6. Radio stations for different factions in FO3/4! 7. Puzzles for the Temples (dungeons) to get shouts/ powers (Skyrim)! 8. Elevator Loading screens were hidden in FO4 so they appeared seamless! 9. Skyrim has 5 major cities & 4 major towns. Starfield has 3 major cities (now 4 if you count the DLC). 10. Loading screens had 3D objects you can rotate as you wait. 11. Save files with thumbnail images! Makes it so much easier to find saves; 12. Settlements had optional settlers. 13. Evil/ neutral companions (Fallout 4) & many more romance options. 14. New titles / promotions as you move through faction ranks. 15. You can loot the clothing / armour enemies are actually wearing & not have a random drop chance. 16. Factions in Skyrim all had interesting NPC members to meet at the headquarters with scripted moments (like the Companions or Dark Brotherhood). 17. Guards comment on your skills and the specific weapons you are holding. 18. Guards also react to shooting weapons in a city even if it doesn’t hit/ hurt anyone. & they can be bribed.
Yes! Bare bones describes it well.. Everything was finished in skyrim. The music, the interfaces, the diaglogue.. I laughed when I opened the skills interface in Starfield.. it was literally just outlines.. they put zero effort into it. It felt like a half-made game. The thing that REALLY drove me away though was how the NPC's constantly ridicule you for your decisions. yeah... im picking up loot, Sarah, its how these games work.. STFU.
You cant even be evil in Bethesda games anymore. I liked how dark and yet contrastly bright and vibrant a game like oblivion was. It made the bugs seem more like a quirky symptom of the environment/ limitations of the industry at that home. It made mods feel more like a nice addition rather a needed staple to the experience. It had dlc that was engaging, well written and worth the 30$+ price tag. Literally everything has gotten worse and more refined to cut corners. With each release since fallout 4 the “life” that these games had within the worlds seems gone.
@@RottenSkull Although I disagree about Skyrim not being a great game, you are right in saying Morrowind/Oblivion was definitely their finest work and I wish they'd bring those elements into TES: VI
@kaichlopecki-carslake9237 I think a substantial amount of players started on Skyrim and look back fondly despite not deserving the merit. Hardly the best gameplay when it dropped, not the best story, not the best skill trees or leveling system, not the best environmental detail. Other games in the same time were better in quite a few ways, but if you started there and enjoyed it there was a lot of hours involved in a playthrough. Morrowind is memorable because it was one of, if not the greatest RPG available at the time. The game simply gets more credit than it deserves and now we've seen the engine enough to know Bethesda doesn't put the effort in like they used to, just relying on the name and nostalgia to push sales.
@@slayer31397 I can't fault you on that to be fair, maybe the games a lot better than it originally was because I've stuffed it with mods ahaha, if they bring back skill's like acrobatics/Athletics, mysticism and invest heavily in the spell system (Rip Levitation) like they did in Morrowind and Oblivion then I'm happy, as someone who started Oblivion as a kid first, then Skyrim, then Morrowind, I completely agree that Morrowind is the best RPG maybe still one of the top RPG's to this day
@kaichlopecki-carslake9237 Ultimately, Skyrim is mechanically a neutered morrowind in terms of features. Mods make it better, but that's kind of my point. It needs mods to be really good and that boils down to the original product being pretty mid haha. I just find it really ridiculous how that game still gets such a spotlight when you weight it to a few of its modern competitors, Bethesda was pulling the same stuff back then too
Ya the teens that played it originally are in their late 20's early 30's now. They fumbled the bag so hard by not making es6 within 6 years of skyrim. That game was a cultural phenomenon, and they could have released anything with the title of es6 and sold a 100 million copies and made a billion dollars.
It wasn't even the fast travel for me. It was the overuse of the same assets in the game with procedural generation. I should not be coming across the exact same building, right down to loot and enemies, within 10-15 minutes of each other.
There's no point in worrying about the inevitable. Its not even just Bethesda, nearly all the big studios are following the same plan to implode and destroy themselves.
@@CollideFan1 nah man, most of the good stuff coming up is from indy studios, unfortuntaly they are not big enough to really do what they want but you can clearly see the creativity and talent in those titles.
@@CollideFan1yea they also make games that u touch ones and never again and forgotten. Avowed looks just very boring and mid. Im gonna play kingdomcome deliverance 2. Its unique and a very fun game tho more story focused on ur named character. Combat tho simple looks more fun then the garbage screen filling combat i saw from avowed
Worried? Nah. That would assume I'm emotionally invested in it. I've been completely indifferent about it for years at this point as expectations could not be lower
-Excretion Club -Fallout 76 -Nylon Bag -Starfield -Broken next-gen update -So-so DLC The track record has not been good the past few years, to say the least.
@@anthonypuk5190 the DEI main characters killed it for me. Also they come over as dumb morons most characters in the show. Im a fan but not a fanboy to like that
The worry has passed, the excuses have run out. I gave Fallout 4 the benefit of the doubt, they were experimenting. It was still pretty good. I gave Fallout 76 the benefit of the doubt, it was the B team, they'd never done online before. Starfield? What excuse is there to give?
Fallout New Vegas was also developed with a smaller team and within 1-2 years. I like Fallout 4, I only just now like Fallout 76, but Starfield? Nah this game shouldn't have taken a full development cycle.
@@heroicgangster9981 Not sure what New Vegas has to do with BGS. New Vegas was developed by actual talented people that were aiming to provide a deep RPG experience. That hasn't been the objective of BGS since Morrowind.
The cream of the crop in the games industry with the resources of Microsoft and possibly the most beloved IP of any fantasy video game ever? Should we expect something great? Nah, lets hold them to the standard of 5-year-olds playing soccer. 🤣
@@EliJahFedgo4tr Wrong. Todd Howard and his friend Emil still work at Bethesda. They still have control over the games being made. Elder Scrolls 6 is being made on their shitty Creation Engine 2. So yes worry.
@@hovsep56 it definitely isn’t mid. 80% of the mechanics and stuff in the game is sloppy and the other 20% is under utilized. And there’s a difference between being neutral and coping. A neutral statement he could’ve made is “although Bethesda games have been pretty horrible the past 10 years, we should still have hope that they’ll make a good elder scrolls game. But by the looks of it, we shouldn’t expect anything positive from Bethesda.” Instead he said “starfield and fallout 76 are good games (despite the poor feedback on both) and Bethesda will continue to make amazing games”
I'm sorry JuiceHead, but your hope is cope. Every bit of evidence shows Bethesda doesnt want to listen, won't listen, and can't listen in time enough. The people you're siting who 'know better' aren't even on the team working for the game anymore. Starfield wasn't supposed to be some sideproject, starfield was supposed to be the new starwars, you saying 'next time will be their A game' is ignoring that this was they're A game and then some.
its a new ip that is different enough from TES and fallout, and usually thr first of a franchise is overshadowed by its sequel. fallout 76 was a zenimax mandate (like eolfenstien new blood and such) fallout 4 despite people saying they hated it was still one of their most successful games. bethesda is fine, people just dont like change or accepting that a dev team should try new things, not being a falloutTES machine til the end of time.
Im fine with them not being a falloutTES machine but if its gonna be 20 years between fallouts or TES games they have got to do something. Let someone else make a spinoff or remaster at the very least. Obsidian proved with new vegas that they were qualified. Blue point's demon souls remake was phenominal. The problem is 'thesda just sitting on their big ips doing nothing while fans put their 6753rd hour into skyrim because thats all we have
Juice, you're approaching this as if Bethesda can't fail because they already have a working formula for ES games. The problem with that, is that they've been taking parts out of the formula over the years. Vital parts. Parts that players might not miss so much when they have a brand new ES game in front of them. But after a few hours of playing, they notice things missing. They notice they're not having as much fun as they did in the previous iteration. They lose interest in the game and move on. They might even go back to the previous ES or Fallout game they enjoyed and have a ton more fun. Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason. They either think gamers want simpler experiences or they think nobody will care that they didn't put as much effort into their latest tittle. We should all be worried about the next ES. I don't think we'll ever be playing another true Elder Scrolls game. I think they're a thing of the past.
"Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason..." Bethesda is INTENTIONALLY eroding their games so they fill in the gaps via purchases through the 'creation club'. Whether that means paid mods made by Bethesda themselves or by modders, THEY win either way. They've created a microtransaction vector that is less repugnant to gamers, so they're all-in on exploiting that to the fullest. (There's a reason Microsoft acquired them for $7.5 BILLION, and no, it's not because they were big Morrowind fans.)
What @FlexLUTHORdev said, their being lazy and pig headed thinking their so much better than what they actually are, I called with starfield, they gave us thousands of empty planets, BS quests and lack luster content because their expecting the modders to flush their games out, their pathetic, lazy and arrogant
BGS needs an actual project manager. And no, the content and quests that are currently there are not fine. Everything is railroaded and nonsensical. The multiverse mechanic also just needs to be stripped out because it nullifies the purpose of anything that happens. It would need a complete rewrite, which will never happen.
Google "fallout van buren design documents pdf" and decide if BGS need a project manager, or people that can actually produce a design that's deeper than a puddle.
Starfields writing was horrific. That was the worst part. They could have worked around the engine with good writing. But they didnt. It was bland. It sucked.
Why write the great American novel, when players will just make paper planes out of it, and spend hours being shacks - Emil Pagliarilo, lead writer. Paraphrased.
I fear for the writing of elder scrolls. It's gotten so bad at the point you're. think you're better off letting the writers of Elder Scrolls online take it over. Sure, they're not the best, but it's better..
In every interview Bethesda never admits anything is wrong with their games. They are stuck in the past and don't seem to even like videogames. There's is no evidence can or even want to change and improve their games.
they don't want to change their bad engine. their engine is so bad that even in 2023 that they released Starfield, you can't climb up/down a ladder with animation.
i'm sorry but i'm calliing bs on the last statement in the video, if es6 isn't a game of the year contender after 15 years then it is a disaster.........15 fucking years!!!!!
To be fair about GOTY its extremely hard too get GOTY like Wukong i dont even remember seeing its a choice for it yet everyone and their mother was playing it
@@rougeelite1446of course, but I think the point is not to use excuses like that to justify mediocrity. They should make a game that they are confident is a contender for game of the year. If they don't say that before launch there's problems
1:54 Yeah I doubt the channel almost entirely focused on Bethesda that gets to go to Bethesda events would ever say they completely lost hope in Bethesda.
Honestly, if Bethesda allowed us to fly from planet to planet instead of fast travelling from planet to planet it would make the game feel a lot better. Why would I spend hours making a ship if all I can do is hit a couple buttons in a menu while in the pilot
At least with Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & bolts I could drive it around to different areas lul, I wish Microsoft would do actually do something with Banjo and Kazooie, Conker, Grabbed by the Ghoulies?.... heck ill even take remasters on PC at this point and be super happy, but they don't sound like they want to do much of anything with them or any of Rares old games. Only ways next to the actual cart is to get Rare Replay which are mostly older Xbox 360 ports which are "ok" still not on PC, NSO I guess now at least has the second Banjo game? but that is still just a rental, and dumping the carts to play on an emulator, which N64 emulation has always been hit and miss...
Flying from planet to planet would not improve things. You would need something engaging to happen between planet travel so it's not so repetitive. The engine as it is will never be able to do what other space travel games do they were in a lose lose situation and never noticed.
Bethesda say things like "our best game ever" not for the benefit of the audience or customers, but for the benefit of the shareholders. They are the important ones now.
most people didn't like, not some. edit: being the bigger selling game doesn't mean it's good necessarily, how much it can hold players after launch and how many return after updates and DLC. Starfield is mediocre and sometimes downright ridiculous. (IM A HUGE BETHESDA FAN BTW, LITERALL THOUNSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING THEM)
Saying starfield could’ve been good if it had better exploration and writing is asking for a different game. Starfield is a tech demo of how not to make a game.
I remember my junior year of highschool in 2018 I saw the trailer for elder scrolls 6 come out. Me and every guy in the classroom got excited. We convinced our teacher to play it 4-5 times on the big screen. We deconstructed and made theories. Now I’m in my senior year of college and I don’t feel anything for Bethesda or elder scrolls 6. I’m unsure if I’ll even get it if it comes out, unless it surpasses everyone’s expectations and is a masterpiece then I won’t be buying it. Bethesda has failed me time and time again. When fallout 76 came out I thought it would be a co op fallout game that I could play with friends. It turns out it was a poorly implemented mmo that has pay to win mechanics. Then I saw starfield and I felt happy and excited but then I played it and poured 100+ hours into it (without watching reviews) and then I realized that Bethesda doesn’t care about customers anymore and want to just pander to a small niche group of gaming journalists.
This has just reminded me how long it’s been since an update. 2018 you know? I’m a fallout fan but even I can say that’s crazy, and it seems they are gonna pull the same stunt with fallout now too. This is a problem across the gaming industry.
@@shoazdon7000 I think the issue is bloated staff that are being restricted by corporate greed. Todd Howard wanted to make a space game but instead they made a loading screen simulator.
If they can't be bothered to fix Fallout 4 after breaking it, then yes, I'm concerned about the next TES. I'm also concerned about them dropping random patches to break their other games too. Even waiting 10 years isn't enough to stay safe. I'm starting to wonder if they'll try to break Oblivion shortly before releasing a remaster. I love the games, but the company really sucks, and they are alienating me.
I am not worried, because I am not buying ANY future Bethesda products. They have only show incompetence since 76 and part of Fallout 4. I even refunded Star Field. Unless they clean house, I have no hopes for Bethesda.
"Fine" isn't good enough when you make people wait half a decade or more in-between games with no fundamental or even really incremental improvement between titles.
I said this elsewhere, but remember when everyone was expecting Starfield to be "Skyrim in space"? I believe that TES6 will be "Starfield in Skyrim", which concerns me.
Being worried would imply caring about it. At this point, I don't think most are going to fool themselves into thinking ES6 will anything more than another step backwards for BGS. If it turns out good, that's great! But I'm certainly not holding my breath.
I don’t think that Skyrim 2 would be enough after 15 years of waiting. And I don’t think that Bethesda could release something better than Skyrim.(tbh I don’t think they’ll be able to release something on the level with Skyrim)
Berhesda has already released something better than Skyrim. it's called Elder Scrolls Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim is inferior to Morrowind and Oblivion. Fallout 4 is also inferior to Fallout 3.
People need to quit tossing out that old chestnut. Obsidian is a shell of what it was when they made the best 3d Fallout and one of the best games of all time. No Chris Avalon, no Tim Cain, no Josh Sawyer.. Everyone who made the studio legendary has gone their separate ways. Obsidian is a competant but mid studio these days. Outer Worlds was mid af. New Vegas 2 would be a travesty, a meh tier game that mars the legacy of the IP. I pine for the good old days as much as the rest of us, but we need to stop dredging up old IPs to reclaim their glory days if you can't have all the original ingredients and a bottle of lightning. It sucks, but that's just the way it is now.
We can only hope that someone higher than bugthesda in the company will wake up one day and give a chance to others because its clear that they just ruined the IP nothing more.
You're saying that like you don't know that all ot the people that worked at Obsidian during FNV left. Look at Outer Worlds to see that a FNV 2 by Obsidian would be pretty boring.
@@brovid-19people also seem to forget that they released Fallout New Vegas as a buggy mess and Knights of the Old Republic 2 was released unfinished
People are 100% right to assume that ES6 is going to be a massive failure and will not be worth its money when you compare starfield to literally any other bethesda game! Statements from bethesda didnt made it better when they said that starfield was their best game ever made... and we should not have high expectations... Like really dude? I mean they literally tell people: Dont buy ES6 dude... dont do it. Its not even released and it is already outdated!
I spoke with a fellow gaming buddy of mine about my concerns with ES6, and the conclusion was, "why are you worried about something that doesn't even exist yet? seems silly. Wait until they start showing off trailers, gameplay, and etc. and decide for yourself there." I'm willing to remain skeptical and and treat ES6 like I'd treat any release from a studio I'm not familiar with, simply because they burned a lot of good will with thestate of starfield, fallout 4, and the asinine way they've handled PR post-starfield release, but it's no longer a blind buy day 0 preorder like it would have been before. I know it's foolish and you should "never preorder games", but I genuinely love skyrim and fallout 4, and I was willing to take that leap of faith since they hadn't truly let me down (I skipped fo76 - multiplayer games aren't for me) I now view them as more akin to a bioware, or blizzard. used to make games I loved, now I'll be very wary and less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with new titles, will be waiting on reviews from critics I trust and what the community vibe is before I dive in, which I think is a more reasonable stance to take. No blind faith, no blind hate, if you want my money you have to earn that goodwill and loyalty back, Bethesda
Bethesda said that Starfield is the best game they ever made. they also refused to replace their terrible engine that it's so bad they can't make animation to climb up/down a ladder, and every time you see a ladder = loading screen.
I'm sad to say this, but I'm not "worried" 'cause Bethesda has killed any enthusiasm I once had. I don't trust them to put out a good product. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I have zero confidence in Bethesda.
The problem is even if they do, you’re still looking at a 3-5 year wait. The time to licence out IP’s was like 3-4 years ago. They are so incompetent it’s unbelievable
@ Yeah I hear you but the longer the wait, the more people just become disinterested like Elder Scrolls fans feel right now. There is such a thing as taking too long too. And it seems Microsoft haven’t really done f all with the studios they bought. Same with PlayStation, I bought it like 4 years ago and I’m still playing the same games I played on my PS4 lol
Reviews go along way with me, just as when purchasing an item on Amazon, I take into account reviews, when Starfield was mentioned, I didn't hesitate, I purchased the prerelease, I won't make the same mistake again. ES VI, I won't be among those that purchase beforehand, instead I'll be sure to read/watch reviews first.
All i'm worried about is bathesda updating their old game after releasing TES6 so that the old games with mods became broken in hope so that people will play/buy TES6
Anyone who says the engine is an issue probably don't know anything about game engines. As for me, if ES6 has been touched by Pagliarulo, I ain't playing it. Simple as.
I gave up on bethesda along with so many game developers that being worried about a game that may or may not come out isnt even a thing for me anymore.
It will be the same like Skyrim gameplay: All day reading in google how to fix broken quests bugs and glitches or reloading old saves because there is no fix and loosing your 20 days of progress how fun and enjoying is that
15 years for "good enough" will be a pretty big disappointment. I keep coming back to Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 because I find it fun to wander around in their worlds and re-experience their stories. I didn't care enough or find the base Fallout 4 stories satisfying enough to keep coming back to that game. But I love some of their other titles because I can keep coming back to them and still have fun replaying them. I didn't even finish a full playthrough of Starfield before succumbing to boredom and frustration, so why would I bother going back to it? If the same thing happens to TES6, where people find the game boring or frustrating after 1 play through or less, is it really money well spent if you had fun for a little bit before it stopped being any kind of fun? TES6 needs to be fun enough to play and re-play to be a good product, and a "good enough" product runs the risk of being unremarkable and not worth replaying, and to me, that will be disappointing enough to not be worth getting in the first place. It NEEDS to be good or Bethesda will continue to seem like a washed-up husk of it's former self, more interesting to read about and chuckle to yourself for a minute than to actually play their games. I do hope TES6 has a good baseline level of fun that worh getting lost in, and worth replaying. I am itching real bad for a fresh Elder Scrolls experience, and no other studio seems even remotely interested in delivering. I've been replaying Oblivion and Skyrim for years, and genuinely having fun. I want a new TES game and I want it to be a good one. And it seems like my best hope for something fresh will be the Skyblivion mod hopefully releasing next year. With Oblivion being my favorite Bethesda game, it will hopefully be a ton of fun. But new content to get lost in, to experience something new and fun for the first time would be preferrable. And the thought of that never happening again leaves me worried about how disappointing it might be.
I feel more confident about ESO 6 than I do the next Dragon Age. Dear Lord, what i’ve seen of Veilguard is a hot mess. And what they did to Quanari is downright criminal. I’d had preferred returning to the DA 2 style for them. Instead it took the design of DA 3 and doubled the aspects people hated.
All the time in the world to develop, all the money they could ask as well, and all but an average game to show for, and no signs of improvement in sight
The reason I’m not worried is because Bethesda similar situation to this before many years ago they were down on their luck. They just released two bad games, battlespire and redguard then they released morrowind and everything got turned around for them the elder scrolls six in my opinion will be Bethesda’s next morrowind
Ungodly amounts of loading screens, no performance mode at 60 fps, ugly npcs and buggy A.I, and subpar writing and a non existent dynamic choice system that effects relationships and the world. If these issues aren't addressed, it will be a failure. Like seriously, their is zero excuse that Bethesda's games play and look the way they do with modern hardware. It's really just embarrassing. If a small studio like Larian can make BG3 then Bethesda that has over 500 developers and tons of resources has no excuse for any it. Their delusion will be their downfall.
With paid mods what will a 100 mod load order cost? Will the cost of mods prevent experimentation to find mods I like? What is the value of those paid mods if they are repeatedly broken constant "updates?" CD Projekt Red has it right. As someone who became a fan when Daggerfall was released I hate to say this. But if BGS continues down this road TES6 will for me end up like FO76 and Starfield. A no sale.
Am I worried no cause like all great companies they'll fail look at bioware,Ubisoft they all wanted to cater towards the modern audience that they forgot their real audience. And now they're doomed to fail.
You say that it’ll be okay if they go back what worked in Skyrim…What makes you think going back to a Skyrim formula, a now 13 year old formula, will be acceptable in 2024 without some massive evolutions and upgrades? Do you expect to see hundreds of actors on screen? Do you expect seamless loading screens? Destructible environments? Without major formula upgrades like the ones I listed, it’ll be another starfield. People were expecting starfield to blow their socks off. It was just a devolved fallout 4 with less player choice, unkillable NPCs, emptier world spaces, and a shallower and blander world.
Going almost 20 years by the time it comes between single player game releases is almost inexcusable. There are better alternatives that look great (The Wayward Realms, KCD2) that are coming at the same time. They have killed the enthusiasm compared to what it could have been.
I think it’s worse than being worried, I just don’t care anymore. I could cope with that potato of a engine and the game design of 20 years ago, but Bethesda’s writing is so bad lol. I just know it’s going to be a super dated game and I don’t care anymore.
Fan disappointment makes so much sense to me now. Fans want them to succeed. That latest interview showed that Bethesda may be regressing. Improvement (the opposite of regression) requires awareness, acknowledgement, and humility…which Bethesda refuse to do.
NO worry at all. I know ES6 will be lame and woke af so I know I have zero expectation. My actual worry is the industry not producing any good games. Bethesda is done in my eyes.
Nah, I ain’t worried. As matter of fact, I’m not looking forward to the next Elder Scrolls and just sticking with Skyrim and Oblivion modded playthroughs. If I’m wrong and elder scrolls 6 actually becomes a hit. I’ll be humbled and not complain. But if not, then I won’t be surprised.
Yes, if you still have hope against hope of them creating a strong RPG, No, if you had all hope and faith in BGS beaten out of you if FO4 didn't do it already. Now, can we stop re-treading water on the "future of Bethesda"?
Honestly more looking forward to Skywind as the next big Elder Scrolls release than anything Bethesda. BGS has to prove that they can deliver a good game nowadays. If they screw up TeS6, that's three blunders in a row in three franchises. I would not be buying any of their games again if that's the case.
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I do disagree with the Quests in Starfield being ok. It was actually what I was most disappointed by. I feel like when Bethesda presented Starfield they overall showed what it really is and then when I played it was exactly what they showed. I knew it is going to be only partially my cup of tea, but still wanted to play because I thought the story and quests will be at least on the level of Fallout 4 and it isn´t at all for me personally. Neither are the side quests. I still have a ton of quests I did not finish and I think I will at some point, but at the moment there are other more interesting games for me. Therefore I was not interested in Shattered Space. In Fallout 4 I played all the DLC´s. True, not right after the release, but I finised most of the quests in game and I enjoyed it most of the time.
I'm starting to slip beyond TES6 and starting to turn to indifference. In other words, I'm starting to just...not care about Bethesda games anymore. BSG is clearly showing they don't care about their fans and are taking criticism very badly.
I'm going to disagree with you right here at 5:11. Fallout 4 has become more accepted because of the ability to mod the game to be what and how people want. Let's compare NexusMods pages, shall we? What does the "Most Downloaded" page look like for Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield? Skyrim is mainly huge bugfix mods, massive overhauls, and then followed by character customization overhauls. The same could largely be said of Fallout 4. Now, let's look at Starfield. Bug fixes. None of the major mod authors, who are known for making "unofficial" patches for fixing things. Page upon page of nothing but bug fixes. And this is to say nothing of the lack of mods overall in Starfield. Modding Starfield itself is, as I've seen, heard, and taken to saying myself, hostile. Mod authors have left in droves to create, or continue past projects, for Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV, and 4. Starfield is broken in a way that needs BSG themselves to look inwards, look at the mods being created, and take feedback and criticism properly. Reviews are harsh, loud, and vulgar because the people writing them are the ones who care the most.
Yeah Juicy Boy we already know you have your own perspective… and usually is the one that fits great for Bethesda. *Shocking* Btw you love to use Loregrim or others Wabajacks packs/mods for your thumbnails… its great to know those came out for free, from dedicated moders and not from that Creation Club that you love so much. At the end of the day its great to see you keep beating the dead horse while others youtubers (more unbiased and realistic than you) are worried… its not just an Engine problem, bugs or a clunky gameplay, its a narrative/script problem something that Bethesda know they can’t solve with Pagliarulo at the front of the ship.
Its a "how do you fill a game with interesting quests and side quests" kind of issue. Also moders saved all their games. The same moders they are trying to cut out.
I feel like the main problem with Starfield is there is so much focus on so much of the many gameplay features, that the writing is just mailed in. For me, the writing is so bad in Starfield that you aren’t invested at all in the world or characters they created. They really need to put lots more focus in the writing and stop it with the horrible safe and vanilla dialogue options
I’m not worried. Because if it doesn’t look good then I won’t waste my money on it. If Bethesda wants my money they have to earn it by making something worth it.
I still feel sorry i wasted 50 dollar on starfield. Wont fool me twice bethesda
@@Furywavez I got a refund!
@@FurywavezI guess it depends on what your expectations were. I picked it up at launch and enjoyed it for about 60 hours. I got my money’s worth and was satisfied with that. It doesn’t have the same longevity or absolute level of enjoyment of their other games but if you take away the comparison it’s a competent game on its own
@@THEpicNDtaking away comparisons, and it's competent with its own? Seriously? It's not competent, how can it be if only when you take away comparisons?
It might good, but not competent, that's straight fact.
@THEpicND
It doesn't depend on anyone's expectations. Way too many people are complaining that Starfield was lame, boring and a significant decline in quality for a Bethesda game, and we've been seeing the same thing in the content released for fallout 76 recently as well.
You coming in contradicting someone's given opinion doesn't invalidate anything. This video is about a widely held concern that Bethesda lost their touch and the quality and character of previous beloved titles we all want more of might very well be something we will never see again.
So if you don't share that same concern like everyone else... why are you even here?
Shill harder bro. Bethesda should stop paying shills and just hire more competent devs.
Bethesda went from a "I will always pre-order their stuff" to a "I'll get it if the reviews are good" to a "If fan reviews are good and I watch five hours of it being streamed and it looks good, then I will consider buying it" real fast.
Thats where im at too
I'm at waiting until it's half price on steam if the mods look good two years later
I'm already at "I'll pirate it first to try it, maybe play it until 500 hours if there's a worthwhile mods to download and only then, maybe I'll consider buying it when it's on sale"
All games should be at the last stage, regardless of studio. I don't pre-order anything. I need to see what I'm buying.
This is not a bethesda problem. This problem is there for almost All the big studios now. Remember cyberpunk? Or what about Ubisoft or the extremely boring game Fortnite was before battle royal. I Don’t preorder games anymore because of these. Normally wait 3-4 months on new games
Skyrim was a looooong time ago man. Its a totally different studio. Im defintely going to temper my expectations.
Yea, they also seem to have bled a serious number of their talented devs over the years.
On top of switching their philosophy to "let's make the minimum recquired effort and take the shortest path to making money"
It "worked" for a while because people where absolute fans and would buy the products with their eyes closed but now that all the good will is gone and Bethesda doesn't seem like they want to course correct it's probably no going to go that well for them.
Yeah Skyrim was a long time ago and it would be incredibly mediocre by today's standards and it was already kinda overrated in 2011 but it didn't have much competition so it became a cult game. It will be nearly 2 decades old by the time TES6 arrives. I don't think many people realize the extent of improvements needed for TES6 to be even remotely competitive.
Witcher 4, Red Dead 3, Squadron 42, future Fromsoftware games and God knows what else could be out by that time. Games that will be compared to TES6 extensively.
And Bethesda is not only not improving they've been steadily regressing
@@Rexperto6454I agree but even today Skyrim has a feel no other game has. I love the gold and gems in that game. Especially the glossy precious items. I think people that enjoy Skyrim also enjoy Minecraft
But the story has always sucked. Even when it came out I thought I was disappointing
@@ludwigvanbeethoven8164 Don't think like that, you're not disappointing.
@@Rexperto6454 your hindsight is wrong. It was a great game in 2011 and it's still great today thanks to mods. Can TES6 disappoint? Certainly. Primarily due to high expectations because previous TES games were so great.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if ES6 comes out and then a month later we all just go back to playing Skyrim.
Should be horrible but probable
This is actually what will happen loo
I can concede to technical challenges. What I won't forgive is story and lore that is shallower than a puddle on a concrete sidewalk.
I'm calling it shallower than a puddle on the moon.
This is something you don’t see mentioned enough. Despite Starfields limitations, if it had a solid storyline and good voice acting, it would’ve been forgiven easily. But it didn’t excel at anything.
I initially gave this video a like but after hearing from him that he thinks the biggest issue were the loading screens, I pulled my like away.
Starfield has many issues and goes far beyond just the loading screens. That’s why many said that starfield can’t be fixed, because it’s the core of the game that is rotten and you would have to completely overhaul the whole game.
I don't really mind the old janky engine. I don't mind the loading screens. And I don't mind the outdated gameplay mechanics. What I absolutely do mind, is the awful writing. Starfield story is boring, lore is boring, mission design in uninspired, dialogue is cringe and characters are instantly forgettable.
The number one biggest attraction of TES as a franchise, is the writing. It is one, if not the, best franchise ever in terms of lore and story. Bethesda have for over a decade now show that the cannot write anything competently, and it is just getting worse and worse. Unless they make drastic changes, I see no way that TES 6 end up anything better than "a semi-fun sandbox experience if you turn your brain off", just like Starfield turned out to be.
@@rickinielsen1 Disagree, one of the attractions of TES is the lore, which already existed since Daggerfall and Morrowind and has been degraded over the years. The writing has been average since Oblivion and been degrading since then. The writing is the weakness of any Bethesda game, so I'm surprised you chose that as more important than anything else.
Starfield is bare bones. Previous BGS games had:
1. Named NPC’s had daily routines & day night cycles. It made BGS games feel alive!
2. Every Named NPC in cities/ villages had their own homes/ bedrooms!
3. Slow mo ‘kill cams’, & combat/ stealth finisher animations (Skyrim/Fo3/4).
4. Decapitation (Skyrim)/ dismemberment (Fo3/4).
5. The Ability to swim underwater. 😅
6. Radio stations for different factions in FO3/4!
7. Puzzles for the Temples (dungeons) to get shouts/ powers (Skyrim)!
8. Elevator Loading screens were hidden in FO4 so they appeared seamless!
9. Skyrim has 5 major cities & 4 major towns. Starfield has 3 major cities (now 4 if you count the DLC).
10. Loading screens had 3D objects you can rotate as you wait.
11. Save files with thumbnail images! Makes it so much easier to find saves;
12. Settlements had optional settlers.
13. Evil/ neutral companions (Fallout 4) & many more romance options.
14. New titles / promotions as you move through faction ranks.
15. You can loot the clothing / armour enemies are actually wearing & not have a random drop chance.
16. Factions in Skyrim all had interesting NPC members to meet at the headquarters with scripted moments (like the Companions or Dark Brotherhood).
17. Guards comment on your skills and the specific weapons you are holding.
18. Guards also react to shooting weapons in a city even if it doesn’t hit/ hurt anyone. & they can be bribed.
#15 They transferred the loot system from Fallout 76, which may be necessary for a live service, but it kills the immersion of a single player game.
Yes! Bare bones describes it well.. Everything was finished in skyrim. The music, the interfaces, the diaglogue.. I laughed when I opened the skills interface in Starfield.. it was literally just outlines.. they put zero effort into it. It felt like a half-made game. The thing that REALLY drove me away though was how the NPC's constantly ridicule you for your decisions. yeah... im picking up loot, Sarah, its how these games work.. STFU.
Oblivion, had an affair you could catch, you cold catch some npc cheating on her husband. This is OBLIVION!.
@@chadbertrand1460 Fo76 only does that due to syncing issues they had early on.
You cant even be evil in Bethesda games anymore. I liked how dark and yet contrastly bright and vibrant a game like oblivion was. It made the bugs seem more like a quirky symptom of the environment/ limitations of the industry at that home. It made mods feel more like a nice addition rather a needed staple to the experience. It had dlc that was engaging, well written and worth the 30$+ price tag. Literally everything has gotten worse and more refined to cut corners. With each release since fallout 4 the “life” that these games had within the worlds seems gone.
Worried? No.
I simply don't think it'll be good. seeing as it's already been over a decade since they've put out a great game
skyrim was not a great game. fans made it great with mods. morrowind/oblivion were their last good games
@@RottenSkull Although I disagree about Skyrim not being a great game, you are right in saying Morrowind/Oblivion was definitely their finest work and I wish they'd bring those elements into TES: VI
@kaichlopecki-carslake9237 I think a substantial amount of players started on Skyrim and look back fondly despite not deserving the merit. Hardly the best gameplay when it dropped, not the best story, not the best skill trees or leveling system, not the best environmental detail. Other games in the same time were better in quite a few ways, but if you started there and enjoyed it there was a lot of hours involved in a playthrough. Morrowind is memorable because it was one of, if not the greatest RPG available at the time. The game simply gets more credit than it deserves and now we've seen the engine enough to know Bethesda doesn't put the effort in like they used to, just relying on the name and nostalgia to push sales.
@@slayer31397 I can't fault you on that to be fair, maybe the games a lot better than it originally was because I've stuffed it with mods ahaha, if they bring back skill's like acrobatics/Athletics, mysticism and invest heavily in the spell system (Rip Levitation) like they did in Morrowind and Oblivion then I'm happy, as someone who started Oblivion as a kid first, then Skyrim, then Morrowind, I completely agree that Morrowind is the best RPG maybe still one of the top RPG's to this day
@kaichlopecki-carslake9237 Ultimately, Skyrim is mechanically a neutered morrowind in terms of features. Mods make it better, but that's kind of my point. It needs mods to be really good and that boils down to the original product being pretty mid haha. I just find it really ridiculous how that game still gets such a spotlight when you weight it to a few of its modern competitors, Bethesda was pulling the same stuff back then too
It's been 13 years. So far. No we're not worried about it, we have kids now.
Right. They failed us, LONG AGO
Right bro, my kids have beat skyrim by now
Bruh 13 years☹️
It's funny because it's true. It's also depressing for the same reason.
Ya the teens that played it originally are in their late 20's early 30's now. They fumbled the bag so hard by not making es6 within 6 years of skyrim. That game was a cultural phenomenon, and they could have released anything with the title of es6 and sold a 100 million copies and made a billion dollars.
2018: there’s hope
2024: there’s despair
It wasn't even the fast travel for me. It was the overuse of the same assets in the game with procedural generation. I should not be coming across the exact same building, right down to loot and enemies, within 10-15 minutes of each other.
So, the Halo series?
@@chaosordeal294 You retarded?
@@chaosordeal294 I didn't know that Halo was a sandbox rpg where exploration was the main point.
Worried? No, I'm not funding it, Microsoft should be worried.
There's no point in worrying about the inevitable. Its not even just Bethesda, nearly all the big studios are following the same plan to implode and destroy themselves.
Exactly. Gotta make the game for them audiences that dont exist.
It is the problem when a company must think about "Line must go up"... they eventually become Ubisoft.....
All except the East Asian game devs
I have a theory. The bigger the company, the lazier they get.
@@ImOnGearSoWhat Because they know what sells and dont ignore it but play into it
Bethesda: "Pay more. Expect less"
Short answer:Yes
Long answer: yes, but with 16x the detail
I'm not worried about Elder Scrolls 6, I'm indifferent and just don't care. Bethesda have no trust or hope left.
First Bioware and now Bethesda. My only hope left in the gaming industry is Obsidian.
@@CollideFan1 nah man, most of the good stuff coming up is from indy studios, unfortuntaly they are not big enough to really do what they want but you can clearly see the creativity and talent in those titles.
"The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference." - Elie Wiesel
@@CollideFan1yea they also make games that u touch ones and never again and forgotten. Avowed looks just very boring and mid. Im gonna play kingdomcome deliverance 2. Its unique and a very fun game tho more story focused on ur named character. Combat tho simple looks more fun then the garbage screen filling combat i saw from avowed
Worried? Nah. That would assume I'm emotionally invested in it. I've been completely indifferent about it for years at this point as expectations could not be lower
-Excretion Club
-Fallout 76
-Nylon Bag
-Starfield
-Broken next-gen update
-So-so DLC
The track record has not been good the past few years, to say the least.
Exactly.
Don't forget that Fallout TV show which more or less killed what the franchise was.
@@anthonypuk5190 fr.
@@anthonypuk5190 that show wasnt that bad tbh if you dont link them
@@anthonypuk5190 the DEI main characters killed it for me. Also they come over as dumb morons most characters in the show. Im a fan but not a fanboy to like that
Juicehead turning into the coffee dog in the burning house. "This is fine. It'll probably be fine. I am hopeful."
The worry has passed, the excuses have run out.
I gave Fallout 4 the benefit of the doubt, they were experimenting. It was still pretty good.
I gave Fallout 76 the benefit of the doubt, it was the B team, they'd never done online before.
Starfield? What excuse is there to give?
Fallout New Vegas was also developed with a smaller team and within 1-2 years. I like Fallout 4, I only just now like Fallout 76, but Starfield? Nah this game shouldn't have taken a full development cycle.
Yeah unlike the first 2 games starfield has no future nor any hope.
@@heroicgangster9981 Not sure what New Vegas has to do with BGS. New Vegas was developed by actual talented people that were aiming to provide a deep RPG experience. That hasn't been the objective of BGS since Morrowind.
hopefully, one day, people will realize that its not a bad thing to express worry or concern about something you admire
The cream of the crop in the games industry with the resources of Microsoft and possibly the most beloved IP of any fantasy video game ever? Should we expect something great?
Nah, lets hold them to the standard of 5-year-olds playing soccer. 🤣
It’s honestly crazy how Emil by himself has destroyed so much faith the community had in bethesda
Yeah he is one of the major reasons I don't have much faith in Bethesda anymore.
If the same people behind Starfield are making Elder Scrolls 6, then logically yes. Players should be very worried.
But they're not
@@EliJahFedgo4tr Wrong. Todd Howard and his friend Emil still work at Bethesda. They still have control over the games being made. Elder Scrolls 6 is being made on their shitty Creation Engine 2.
So yes worry.
@@EliJahFedgo4tr I didn't know that another company was making ES6. When was that announced? :D
@@EliJahFedgo4tr You aren't even a good troll. Smh
Yeah this video is just a lot of copium.
“Starfield wasn’t that bad and the shattered space DLC wasn’t that bad, Bethesda is fine”
The guy is nuetral he already critized starfield and shattered space.
In this video he also critized it.
And he is right, it's just mid, not bad.
my copium is that the past decade of cashgrabs was to develop a new engine (they were talking about it for 7 years now) and make ES6 worth the wait
@@youdontknowme3935 they said for ES6 that it’ll still be in the same engine.
So the cash grabs weren’t even really worth it.
@@hovsep56 it definitely isn’t mid. 80% of the mechanics and stuff in the game is sloppy and the other 20% is under utilized.
And there’s a difference between being neutral and coping. A neutral statement he could’ve made is “although Bethesda games have been pretty horrible the past 10 years, we should still have hope that they’ll make a good elder scrolls game. But by the looks of it, we shouldn’t expect anything positive from Bethesda.”
Instead he said “starfield and fallout 76 are good games (despite the poor feedback on both) and Bethesda will continue to make amazing games”
I'm sorry JuiceHead, but your hope is cope. Every bit of evidence shows Bethesda doesnt want to listen, won't listen, and can't listen in time enough. The people you're siting who 'know better' aren't even on the team working for the game anymore. Starfield wasn't supposed to be some sideproject, starfield was supposed to be the new starwars, you saying 'next time will be their A game' is ignoring that this was they're A game and then some.
its a new ip that is different enough from TES and fallout, and usually thr first of a franchise is overshadowed by its sequel. fallout 76 was a zenimax mandate (like eolfenstien new blood and such) fallout 4 despite people saying they hated it was still one of their most successful games.
bethesda is fine, people just dont like change or accepting that a dev team should try new things, not being a falloutTES machine til the end of time.
Yeah this video is 13 minutes of cope.
Im fine with them not being a falloutTES machine but if its gonna be 20 years between fallouts or TES games they have got to do something. Let someone else make a spinoff or remaster at the very least. Obsidian proved with new vegas that they were qualified. Blue point's demon souls remake was phenominal. The problem is 'thesda just sitting on their big ips doing nothing while fans put their 6753rd hour into skyrim because thats all we have
@@loafheresy5729 cope
@@loafheresy5729I'm sick of the "trying new things" cope. They simply failed and made a mediocre game that was worse than fallout 4.
Juice, you're approaching this as if Bethesda can't fail because they already have a working formula for ES games. The problem with that, is that they've been taking parts out of the formula over the years. Vital parts. Parts that players might not miss so much when they have a brand new ES game in front of them. But after a few hours of playing, they notice things missing. They notice they're not having as much fun as they did in the previous iteration. They lose interest in the game and move on. They might even go back to the previous ES or Fallout game they enjoyed and have a ton more fun.
Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason. They either think gamers want simpler experiences or they think nobody will care that they didn't put as much effort into their latest tittle. We should all be worried about the next ES. I don't think we'll ever be playing another true Elder Scrolls game. I think they're a thing of the past.
This 💯
"Bethesda is slowly eroding their own games for some reason..."
Bethesda is INTENTIONALLY eroding their games so they fill in the gaps via purchases through the 'creation club'.
Whether that means paid mods made by Bethesda themselves or by modders, THEY win either way. They've created a microtransaction vector that is less repugnant to gamers, so they're all-in on exploiting that to the fullest.
(There's a reason Microsoft acquired them for $7.5 BILLION, and no, it's not because they were big Morrowind fans.)
What @FlexLUTHORdev said, their being lazy and pig headed thinking their so much better than what they actually are, I called with starfield, they gave us thousands of empty planets, BS quests and lack luster content because their expecting the modders to flush their games out, their pathetic, lazy and arrogant
This guy strikes me as a Mrmattyplays type. I don't hear a whole lot of criticism here when there definitely needs to be.
@@Faminetheblackjuice and mrmatty are notoriously the biggest copers. Just criticism I still enjoy most of the content and insight from other fans
BGS needs an actual project manager. And no, the content and quests that are currently there are not fine. Everything is railroaded and nonsensical. The multiverse mechanic also just needs to be stripped out because it nullifies the purpose of anything that happens. It would need a complete rewrite, which will never happen.
Google "fallout van buren design documents pdf" and decide if BGS need a project manager, or people that can actually produce a design that's deeper than a puddle.
Starfields writing was horrific. That was the worst part. They could have worked around the engine with good writing. But they didnt. It was bland. It sucked.
Why write the great American novel, when players will just make paper planes out of it, and spend hours being shacks - Emil Pagliarilo, lead writer. Paraphrased.
Starfield was the first game where BGS coulnd't rely on existing lore from 25 years ago or an acquired IP.
I fear for the writing of elder scrolls. It's gotten so bad at the point you're. think you're better off letting the writers of Elder Scrolls online take it over. Sure, they're not the best, but it's better..
Starfield ended up being Skyrim in space because of the Powers with a 2001 Space Odyssey tryhard ending.
This. Even FO4 with its tepid writing was still better than Starfield. I played through Starfield and don't remember a single stand-out quest line.
In every interview Bethesda never admits anything is wrong with their games. They are stuck in the past and don't seem to even like videogames. There's is no evidence can or even want to change and improve their games.
they don't want to change their bad engine. their engine is so bad that even in 2023 that they released Starfield, you can't climb up/down a ladder with animation.
i'm sorry but i'm calliing bs on the last statement in the video, if es6 isn't a game of the year contender after 15 years then it is a disaster.........15 fucking years!!!!!
To be fair about GOTY its extremely hard too get GOTY like Wukong i dont even remember seeing its a choice for it yet everyone and their mother was playing it
Agree 100%
@@rougeelite1446of course, but I think the point is not to use excuses like that to justify mediocrity. They should make a game that they are confident is a contender for game of the year. If they don't say that before launch there's problems
@@rougeelite1446 Oh yeah, getting GOTY is hard for Bethesda when they've won it 4 separate times on Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4.
Bold of you to assume it will come out in 2026. Judging by Bethesda's current development speed tes 6 will release in 2030.
Not a single update in 6 years...
1:54 Yeah I doubt the channel almost entirely focused on Bethesda that gets to go to Bethesda events would ever say they completely lost hope in Bethesda.
Did you watch his videos? He critized starfield aswell snd shattered space.
Even in this video he critized it.
You didn't watch the channel during his coverage of '76. He was very critical at times.
Right? He and Matty love polishing Todds boots with their tongue.
@@hovsep56lol he's not critical in a meaningful way. He's safely critical.
Honestly, if Bethesda allowed us to fly from planet to planet instead of fast travelling from planet to planet it would make the game feel a lot better. Why would I spend hours making a ship if all I can do is hit a couple buttons in a menu while in the pilot
At least with Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & bolts I could drive it around to different areas lul, I wish Microsoft would do actually do something with Banjo and Kazooie, Conker, Grabbed by the Ghoulies?.... heck ill even take remasters on PC at this point and be super happy, but they don't sound like they want to do much of anything with them or any of Rares old games. Only ways next to the actual cart is to get Rare Replay which are mostly older Xbox 360 ports which are "ok" still not on PC, NSO I guess now at least has the second Banjo game? but that is still just a rental, and dumping the carts to play on an emulator, which N64 emulation has always been hit and miss...
Flying from planet to planet would not improve things. You would need something engaging to happen between planet travel so it's not so repetitive. The engine as it is will never be able to do what other space travel games do they were in a lose lose situation and never noticed.
So on point on that.
Adding 10 minutes of travel time between planets won't save the game.
Bethesda say things like "our best game ever" not for the benefit of the audience or customers, but for the benefit of the shareholders. They are the important ones now.
most people didn't like, not some.
edit: being the bigger selling game doesn't mean it's good necessarily, how much it can hold players after launch and how many return after updates and DLC. Starfield is mediocre and sometimes downright ridiculous. (IM A HUGE BETHESDA FAN BTW, LITERALL THOUNSANDS OF HOURS PLAYING THEM)
4:40 the biggest technical achievement of starfield is cobbling together an engine from 2011 and selling it as new
After Fallout 76 and Starfeild, I've lost all enthusiasm for all Bethesda franchises.
imagine having hope after Starfield.
Saying starfield could’ve been good if it had better exploration and writing is asking for a different game. Starfield is a tech demo of how not to make a game.
I remember my junior year of highschool in 2018 I saw the trailer for elder scrolls 6 come out. Me and every guy in the classroom got excited. We convinced our teacher to play it 4-5 times on the big screen. We deconstructed and made theories.
Now I’m in my senior year of college and I don’t feel anything for Bethesda or elder scrolls 6. I’m unsure if I’ll even get it if it comes out, unless it surpasses everyone’s expectations and is a masterpiece then I won’t be buying it.
Bethesda has failed me time and time again. When fallout 76 came out I thought it would be a co op fallout game that I could play with friends. It turns out it was a poorly implemented mmo that has pay to win mechanics.
Then I saw starfield and I felt happy and excited but then I played it and poured 100+ hours into it (without watching reviews) and then I realized that Bethesda doesn’t care about customers anymore and want to just pander to a small niche group of gaming journalists.
Exactly how i feel.
This has just reminded me how long it’s been since an update. 2018 you know? I’m a fallout fan but even I can say that’s crazy, and it seems they are gonna pull the same stunt with fallout now too. This is a problem across the gaming industry.
I know EXACTLY how you feel. Then you get told you are too dumb to understand their genius writing.
@ facts lol, it’s the same playbook every time
@@shoazdon7000 I think the issue is bloated staff that are being restricted by corporate greed. Todd Howard wanted to make a space game but instead they made a loading screen simulator.
If they can't be bothered to fix Fallout 4 after breaking it, then yes, I'm concerned about the next TES. I'm also concerned about them dropping random patches to break their other games too. Even waiting 10 years isn't enough to stay safe. I'm starting to wonder if they'll try to break Oblivion shortly before releasing a remaster. I love the games, but the company really sucks, and they are alienating me.
They broke Oldrim on Steam. They make you use the SKSE launcher. Why are they effing with OG Skyrim? At least I still have my OG 360 edition.
I am not worried, because I am not buying ANY future Bethesda products.
They have only show incompetence since 76 and part of Fallout 4.
I even refunded Star Field.
Unless they clean house, I have no hopes for Bethesda.
11:35 what was that cut?
I think its fitting that "bug" happened when talking about creation engine 😂
"Fine" isn't good enough when you make people wait half a decade or more in-between games with no fundamental or even really incremental improvement between titles.
I'm not worried I'm very confident it will be garbage
I said this elsewhere, but remember when everyone was expecting Starfield to be "Skyrim in space"?
I believe that TES6 will be "Starfield in Skyrim", which concerns me.
“It’ll probably be fine.” Yea I feel like people have been saying that for the past few releases from them… turns out it wasn’t
Being worried would imply caring about it. At this point, I don't think most are going to fool themselves into thinking ES6 will anything more than another step backwards for BGS. If it turns out good, that's great! But I'm certainly not holding my breath.
I don’t think that Skyrim 2 would be enough after 15 years of waiting. And I don’t think that Bethesda could release something better than Skyrim.(tbh I don’t think they’ll be able to release something on the level with Skyrim)
Berhesda has already released something better than Skyrim. it's called Elder Scrolls Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim is inferior to Morrowind and Oblivion. Fallout 4 is also inferior to Fallout 3.
😞😞😞
Please give us hope
The only thing I worry about is that Bethesda will not allow Obsidian make New Vegas 2.
People need to quit tossing out that old chestnut. Obsidian is a shell of what it was when they made the best 3d Fallout and one of the best games of all time. No Chris Avalon, no Tim Cain, no Josh Sawyer.. Everyone who made the studio legendary has gone their separate ways. Obsidian is a competant but mid studio these days. Outer Worlds was mid af. New Vegas 2 would be a travesty, a meh tier game that mars the legacy of the IP. I pine for the good old days as much as the rest of us, but we need to stop dredging up old IPs to reclaim their glory days if you can't have all the original ingredients and a bottle of lightning. It sucks, but that's just the way it is now.
We can only hope that someone higher than bugthesda in the company will wake up one day and give a chance to others because its clear that they just ruined the IP nothing more.
You're saying that like you don't know that all ot the people that worked at Obsidian during FNV left. Look at Outer Worlds to see that a FNV 2 by Obsidian would be pretty boring.
@@brovid-19people also seem to forget that they released Fallout New Vegas as a buggy mess and Knights of the Old Republic 2 was released unfinished
I’m willing to shelve this argument until we see how Avowed turns out. Anyone else?
I don't worry about things I won't buy lol
People are 100% right to assume that ES6 is going to be a massive failure and will not be worth its money when you compare starfield to literally any other bethesda game!
Statements from bethesda didnt made it better when they said that starfield was their best game ever made... and we should not have high expectations... Like really dude?
I mean they literally tell people: Dont buy ES6 dude... dont do it. Its not even released and it is already outdated!
I spoke with a fellow gaming buddy of mine about my concerns with ES6, and the conclusion was, "why are you worried about something that doesn't even exist yet? seems silly. Wait until they start showing off trailers, gameplay, and etc. and decide for yourself there."
I'm willing to remain skeptical and and treat ES6 like I'd treat any release from a studio I'm not familiar with, simply because they burned a lot of good will with thestate of starfield, fallout 4, and the asinine way they've handled PR post-starfield release, but it's no longer a blind buy day 0 preorder like it would have been before. I know it's foolish and you should "never preorder games", but I genuinely love skyrim and fallout 4, and I was willing to take that leap of faith since they hadn't truly let me down (I skipped fo76 - multiplayer games aren't for me)
I now view them as more akin to a bioware, or blizzard. used to make games I loved, now I'll be very wary and less willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with new titles, will be waiting on reviews from critics I trust and what the community vibe is before I dive in, which I think is a more reasonable stance to take.
No blind faith, no blind hate, if you want my money you have to earn that goodwill and loyalty back, Bethesda
This is a great take. Thank you
Bethesda said that Starfield is the best game they ever made. they also refused to replace their terrible engine that it's so bad they can't make animation to climb up/down a ladder, and every time you see a ladder = loading screen.
I still haven't played star field. after fallout 76 i just play the old games
I'm sad to say this, but I'm not "worried" 'cause Bethesda has killed any enthusiasm I once had. I don't trust them to put out a good product. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I have zero confidence in Bethesda.
I just hope Xbox will license out the Bethesda IPs...Soon
The only possibility to anything good will happen with Fallout.
Here’s hoping 🤞🏼 It’s Fallout’s only chance for survival.
The problem is even if they do, you’re still looking at a 3-5 year wait. The time to licence out IP’s was like 3-4 years ago. They are so incompetent it’s unbelievable
@@shoazdon7000 Still better to wait that let Fallout rot in Bugthesdas claws!
@ Yeah I hear you but the longer the wait, the more people just become disinterested like Elder Scrolls fans feel right now. There is such a thing as taking too long too. And it seems Microsoft haven’t really done f all with the studios they bought. Same with PlayStation, I bought it like 4 years ago and I’m still playing the same games I played on my PS4 lol
Reviews go along way with me, just as when purchasing an item on Amazon, I take into account reviews, when Starfield was mentioned, I didn't hesitate, I purchased the prerelease, I won't make the same mistake again. ES VI, I won't be among those that purchase beforehand, instead I'll be sure to read/watch reviews first.
Looool what a dishonest video.
"Should you be worried? No. Buy Skyrim with my affiliate link."
Worried? Is that a serious question?
All i'm worried about is bathesda updating their old game after releasing TES6 so that the old games with mods became broken in hope so that people will play/buy TES6
That's why I'm moving from Steam to GOG for many games. I can be sure they won't update unless I want them to.
@@Lemurion287 Can you get OG Skyrim on GOG?
Anyone who says the engine is an issue probably don't know anything about game engines.
As for me, if ES6 has been touched by Pagliarulo, I ain't playing it. Simple as.
Just call him emil, hes f*cked us enough all ready.
I really don't understand why changes haven't been made at the company. This is what happens when you don't prioritize competence in a work setting.
Emil will write a ton for tes6, it is what it is unfortunately
@@smokingbarrels7019 Yep, I fully expect that, as sad as it is.
Short answer: Yes
Long Answer: Yes
I gave up on bethesda along with so many game developers that being worried about a game that may or may not come out isnt even a thing for me anymore.
It will be the same like Skyrim gameplay: All day reading in google how to fix broken quests bugs and glitches or reloading old saves because there is no fix and loosing your 20 days of progress how fun and enjoying is that
15 years for "good enough" will be a pretty big disappointment. I keep coming back to Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3 because I find it fun to wander around in their worlds and re-experience their stories. I didn't care enough or find the base Fallout 4 stories satisfying enough to keep coming back to that game. But I love some of their other titles because I can keep coming back to them and still have fun replaying them. I didn't even finish a full playthrough of Starfield before succumbing to boredom and frustration, so why would I bother going back to it? If the same thing happens to TES6, where people find the game boring or frustrating after 1 play through or less, is it really money well spent if you had fun for a little bit before it stopped being any kind of fun?
TES6 needs to be fun enough to play and re-play to be a good product, and a "good enough" product runs the risk of being unremarkable and not worth replaying, and to me, that will be disappointing enough to not be worth getting in the first place. It NEEDS to be good or Bethesda will continue to seem like a washed-up husk of it's former self, more interesting to read about and chuckle to yourself for a minute than to actually play their games. I do hope TES6 has a good baseline level of fun that worh getting lost in, and worth replaying. I am itching real bad for a fresh Elder Scrolls experience, and no other studio seems even remotely interested in delivering.
I've been replaying Oblivion and Skyrim for years, and genuinely having fun. I want a new TES game and I want it to be a good one. And it seems like my best hope for something fresh will be the Skyblivion mod hopefully releasing next year. With Oblivion being my favorite Bethesda game, it will hopefully be a ton of fun. But new content to get lost in, to experience something new and fun for the first time would be preferrable. And the thought of that never happening again leaves me worried about how disappointing it might be.
Those that dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
5:05 nah man fallout 4 is a much better game than starfield
I feel more confident about ESO 6 than I do the next Dragon Age. Dear Lord, what i’ve seen of Veilguard is a hot mess. And what they did to Quanari is downright criminal. I’d had preferred returning to the DA 2 style for them. Instead it took the design of DA 3 and doubled the aspects people hated.
I'm not worried about ES6. I haven't bought Bethesda games since FO4...
Same engine , same writers i lost all hope
if ES6 turns into a constantly updated live service game, we're doomed.
It will
The time for worry is over. Now, the ice age of apathy has come.
Yes. Juice is very...how should we say? Well, a lot of cope.
I am not worried, I am convinced it will be a disaster.
Bugthesda is the abusive boyfriend telling us it was our fault for being hit ...
No, Bethesda is more like the woke green haired wahmen with pronouns who don't need no man.
All the time in the world to develop, all the money they could ask as well, and all but an average game to show for, and no signs of improvement in sight
The kid that got named dovakhin is starting high school.
OH MY GOD
Bethesda is terrible. I’m not worried. I’m confident it will be mediocre. They can’t even fix Fallout 4, which has been broken for months.
The reason I’m not worried is because Bethesda similar situation to this before many years ago they were down on their luck. They just released two bad games, battlespire and redguard then they released morrowind and everything got turned around for them the elder scrolls six in my opinion will be Bethesda’s next morrowind
Ungodly amounts of loading screens, no performance mode at 60 fps, ugly npcs and buggy A.I, and subpar writing and a non existent dynamic choice system that effects relationships and the world. If these issues aren't addressed, it will be a failure. Like seriously, their is zero excuse that Bethesda's games play and look the way they do with modern hardware. It's really just embarrassing. If a small studio like Larian can make BG3 then Bethesda that has over 500 developers and tons of resources has no excuse for any it. Their delusion will be their downfall.
Bethesda made a game so bad that our low expectations of Bethesda gives them an advantage to possibly exceed them is so funny to me.
No because when you take this long between games, people just stop caring really. Just like I don’t care about GTA6
Definitely the biggest mistake they made. Way too many people have since moved on and no longer care.
With paid mods what will a 100 mod load order cost?
Will the cost of mods prevent experimentation to find mods I like?
What is the value of those paid mods if they are repeatedly broken constant "updates?"
CD Projekt Red has it right.
As someone who became a fan when Daggerfall was released I hate to say this. But if BGS continues down this road TES6 will for me end up like FO76 and Starfield. A no sale.
If TES6 is a Skyrim 2, I don't want it.
Imma crack open some New Vegas and relive the good ol days.
Am I worried no cause like all great companies they'll fail look at bioware,Ubisoft they all wanted to cater towards the modern audience that they forgot their real audience. And now they're doomed to fail.
You say that it’ll be okay if they go back what worked in Skyrim…What makes you think going back to a Skyrim formula, a now 13 year old formula, will be acceptable in 2024 without some massive evolutions and upgrades? Do you expect to see hundreds of actors on screen? Do you expect seamless loading screens? Destructible environments? Without major formula upgrades like the ones I listed, it’ll be another starfield. People were expecting starfield to blow their socks off. It was just a devolved fallout 4 with less player choice, unkillable NPCs, emptier world spaces, and a shallower and blander world.
Going almost 20 years by the time it comes between single player game releases is almost inexcusable. There are better alternatives that look great (The Wayward Realms, KCD2) that are coming at the same time. They have killed the enthusiasm compared to what it could have been.
I'm not worried about elder scrolls 6, because bugfesta is a 1 trick pony, that trick works on a Skyrim style single player game
that's assuming it will be a single player game and not a live service. that's what i'm worried about at this point.
I think it’s worse than being worried, I just don’t care anymore. I could cope with that potato of a engine and the game design of 20 years ago, but Bethesda’s writing is so bad lol. I just know it’s going to be a super dated game and I don’t care anymore.
Fan disappointment makes so much sense to me now. Fans want them to succeed. That latest interview showed that Bethesda may be regressing. Improvement (the opposite of regression) requires awareness, acknowledgement, and humility…which Bethesda refuse to do.
Word salad. Time filled, box checked, i guess.
i kept skipping forwards waiting for him to say something that wasnt a word salad lol
NO worry at all. I know ES6 will be lame and woke af so I know I have zero expectation. My actual worry is the industry not producing any good games. Bethesda is done in my eyes.
Christ...
The amount of Bethesda ɗįçƙriding...
I know right? Bro cant be serious
Nah, I ain’t worried. As matter of fact, I’m not looking forward to the next Elder Scrolls and just sticking with Skyrim and Oblivion modded playthroughs. If I’m wrong and elder scrolls 6 actually becomes a hit. I’ll be humbled and not complain. But if not, then I won’t be surprised.
A Tale of Two Wastelands is top notch.
Yes, if you still have hope against hope of them creating a strong RPG, No, if you had all hope and faith in BGS beaten out of you if FO4 didn't do it already.
Now, can we stop re-treading water on the "future of Bethesda"?
Honestly more looking forward to Skywind as the next big Elder Scrolls release than anything Bethesda. BGS has to prove that they can deliver a good game nowadays. If they screw up TeS6, that's three blunders in a row in three franchises. I would not be buying any of their games again if that's the case.
Fans -"Should I Be Worried About The Elder Scrolls 6?"
Juice -"Should I Be Worried About The Viability of my Channel?"
"Nahhhhhhh! It's fine, everything is fine "
I do disagree with the Quests in Starfield being ok. It was actually what I was most disappointed by. I feel like when Bethesda presented Starfield they overall showed what it really is and then when I played it was exactly what they showed. I knew it is going to be only partially my cup of tea, but still wanted to play because I thought the story and quests will be at least on the level of Fallout 4 and it isn´t at all for me personally. Neither are the side quests. I still have a ton of quests I did not finish and I think I will at some point, but at the moment there are other more interesting games for me. Therefore I was not interested in Shattered Space. In Fallout 4 I played all the DLC´s. True, not right after the release, but I finised most of the quests in game and I enjoyed it most of the time.
I'm starting to slip beyond TES6 and starting to turn to indifference. In other words, I'm starting to just...not care about Bethesda games anymore. BSG is clearly showing they don't care about their fans and are taking criticism very badly.
I'm going to disagree with you right here at 5:11. Fallout 4 has become more accepted because of the ability to mod the game to be what and how people want.
Let's compare NexusMods pages, shall we? What does the "Most Downloaded" page look like for Skyrim, Fallout 4, and Starfield? Skyrim is mainly huge bugfix mods, massive overhauls, and then followed by character customization overhauls. The same could largely be said of Fallout 4. Now, let's look at Starfield. Bug fixes. None of the major mod authors, who are known for making "unofficial" patches for fixing things. Page upon page of nothing but bug fixes.
And this is to say nothing of the lack of mods overall in Starfield. Modding Starfield itself is, as I've seen, heard, and taken to saying myself, hostile. Mod authors have left in droves to create, or continue past projects, for Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3, NV, and 4. Starfield is broken in a way that needs BSG themselves to look inwards, look at the mods being created, and take feedback and criticism properly. Reviews are harsh, loud, and vulgar because the people writing them are the ones who care the most.
Yeah Juicy Boy we already know you have your own perspective… and usually is the one that fits great for Bethesda. *Shocking* Btw you love to use Loregrim or others Wabajacks packs/mods for your thumbnails… its great to know those came out for free, from dedicated moders and not from that Creation Club that you love so much. At the end of the day its great to see you keep beating the dead horse while others youtubers (more unbiased and realistic than you) are worried… its not just an Engine problem, bugs or a clunky gameplay, its a narrative/script problem something that Bethesda know they can’t solve with Pagliarulo at the front of the ship.
Its a "how do you fill a game with interesting quests and side quests" kind of issue. Also moders saved all their games. The same moders they are trying to cut out.
@@Joseph32547 they are lazzy AF after Skyrim and greedy like Activision.
Please bring back Avellone and Kirkbride (will never harken but I can hallucinate).
So sad to see such a beloved company squander it all
I feel like the main problem with Starfield is there is so much focus on so much of the many gameplay features, that the writing is just mailed in. For me, the writing is so bad in Starfield that you aren’t invested at all in the world or characters they created. They really need to put lots more focus in the writing and stop it with the horrible safe and vanilla dialogue options